Time Nick Message 23:59 dcook Haven't used analytics much yet, but I like the idea 23:59 dcook eythian++ 23:55 tcohen eythian++ 23:55 tcohen heh 23:54 eythian tcohen: new master package, you didn't even have to ask this time :) 23:47 eythian cool. That way I won't have to ask you again when this next comes up in a year or so :) 23:46 jcamins Looks right to me. 23:43 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Analytics <-- jcamins, can you please double-check that for me 23:35 dcook Good ol' control numbers... 23:21 jcamins In that case, looks perfect. 23:21 jcamins Oh. 23:21 eythian no, I'm generating that control number as part of migration 23:21 jcamins That looks like a control number with the accession date of the particular issue appended. 23:21 eythian howso? 23:21 jcamins Unfortunately, I suspect they're going to run into problems. 23:20 eythian now I'll put that in the wiki somewhere. 23:20 eythian thank you very much 23:20 jcamins Well- it looks like what you were trying for. 23:20 jcamins It does. 23:20 eythian which looks correct 23:20 eythian it links to http://koha:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=Control-number:505373.20130415 23:20 jcamins Oh. Yay! 23:20 eythian there is a link now 23:19 jcamins But no link? 23:19 eythian that looks perfect. 23:19 eythian right at the bottom of the main info block 23:18 eythian now I have: "In: Strategic communication management Volume 14, Issue 1 Dec/Jan 2010, p. 8" 23:18 eythian well 23:17 jcamins I had never considered before just how dumb that is. 23:17 jcamins First indicator. 23:17 jcamins 1-based. 23:17 eythian (i.e. is ind1 the first or second?) 23:17 eythian are indicator positions 0 based, or 1 based? 23:16 jcamins What happens if you set ind1 to 0? 23:15 eythian and not a link 23:15 eythian where "Strategic..." is the $t and $g 23:15 eythian Author(s): Chestney, Ross. 23:15 eythian Strategic communication management Volume 14, Issue 1 Dec/Jan 2010, p. 8 23:15 eythian The key principles of social media development 23:15 eythian thusly: 23:15 eythian heh 23:15 jcamins Boy he's quick to disagree. 23:15 eythian they appear below the article title 23:15 jcamins lol 23:14 wahanui no it's not. 23:14 eythian that's right 23:14 jcamins But without any link? 23:14 jcamins And do you see the $t/$g? 23:14 eythian I have 773$w, $t, and $g 23:13 jcamins You have something in 773$a and/or 773$t, right? 23:13 jcamins Oh. 23:12 jcamins It'd just be a search on main entry/title without the control number. 23:12 jcamins Even without the control number. 23:12 jcamins There should be a link showing up regardless. 23:12 eythian yep. Hmm. I did just notice that I'm not creating the 773$w value correctly, that won't be helping. Though it shouldn't imact on whether the link shows up I'd think. 23:11 jcamins And your indexes are up to date, right? 23:10 eythian OK 23:10 jcamins Though something about that seems... wrong. 23:10 jcamins I think rcn is 773 only, and Control-number is 001 only. 23:10 eythian (or do we index it such that rcn also matches 773?) 23:10 jcamins Right, but you've put that into the 773. 23:09 eythian (because the rcn is on the host, right?) 23:09 eythian ? 23:09 eythian also, I'm hitting that on the host...why would it be looking for a specific rcn. 23:09 jcamins Hm. 23:09 eythian when I hit the "show analytics" link, I also get "No results match your search for 'rcn:505373.20130415 and (bib-level:a or bib-level:b)'." 23:08 eythian however that seems to make no change 23:07 eythian it was off, now on 23:07 eythian ah yep 23:07 jcamins Search for "Control" 23:07 jcamins It's something like that. 23:07 jcamins UseControlNumber? 23:06 eythian "No system preferences matched your search for usecontrolnumbers." 23:06 eythian If I set LDR7=s on the host, I do get "show analytics" 23:06 jcamins And you turned on UseControlNumbers? 23:05 jcamins Odd. 23:05 eythian if I have LDR7 as "a - Monographic component part" it doesn't create the link to the host record. 23:02 jcamins And that should be all you need, actually. 23:02 jcamins Articles will have LDR/07=a 23:02 jcamins So the host records will have LDR/07=s 23:02 jcamins Okay. 23:01 eythian journals, serials, etc primarily I think 23:01 jcamins (that was an open-ended question) 23:00 jcamins For the host records, are they books are journals, or... 22:59 jcamins Let me check the position. 22:59 jcamins That's the big one. 22:59 eythian I'm not sure what they should be set to 22:59 jcamins You set the leaders? 22:59 eythian jcamins: I have some articles that have a 773$w set the 001 of their host record. What else do I need to set up on each record to make them see each other. 22:58 * jcamins gets suitably excited. 22:58 eythian jcamins: awesome, I have an exciting analytics question for you. 22:58 jcamins Briefly. 22:58 jcamins eythian: yes. 22:58 jcamins rangi: hfjs 22:32 eythian yay, master now builds into packages correctly with no modification once again. 22:18 eythian also, hi 22:18 eythian jcamins: you around? 22:05 aquaman /nick aquaman 22:04 melia thanks rangi 22:03 bag but I think we have a few academics that are using it 22:02 bag well I don't know what using analytics well is… 22:02 bag hmmm…. 22:00 rangi hmm does anyone know of a library that has an opac that uses analytics well? 21:50 * jcamins heads home. 21:46 jcamins Apparently it was a banana in the garden of Eden, not an apple or a pomegranate. 21:30 rangi not in 3.10.5 but maybe after its released, its in freeze at the moment but if it applies it could go in 3.10.6 21:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , item subfields not populating 21:19 melia oh yeah, I remember. bug 9902 - is that going to get into a 3.10.x stable release? or do you need a new patch for 3.10? (I haven't tried yet to see if it'll apply to 3.10, btw) 21:19 melia good morning rangi! there was something I was going to ask you about… 21:16 gmcharlt Try::Tiny++ 21:16 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 21:16 rangi @later tell tcohen http://search.cpan.org/~doy/Try-Tiny-0.12/lib/Try/Tiny.pm 21:16 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 21:16 rangi @later tell tcohen your eval works fine .. but Try::Tiny (is in perl core now) is a bit nicer 21:06 melia rambutan: were you looking for me? 20:36 cait heh 20:36 drojf hmm i cannot make pootle search… ah there it is, just needs a little complaining :P 20:35 drojf lol 20:35 cait now i am going to have translation nightmares 20:34 cait heh 20:34 drojf we could have several variants of gendered german too ;) 20:33 cait they have formal and not so formal german 20:33 cait maybe we should do it like wordpress ;) 20:31 cait fix it in the po file? :) 20:31 cait yeah I think I didn't touch that 20:31 drojf no it is "sie" in the next step again. :D 20:30 drojf bitte installiere grundlegende… maybe it has always been like this 20:30 cait huh? 20:30 drojf cait: the sysadmins get geduzt and the librarians gesiezt? :D 20:27 huginn rambutan: melia was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <melia> ok thanks guys! I will check back with rangi later on, after he's had a chance to eat his breakfast and stuff :) 20:27 rambutan @seen melia 20:27 huginn rambutan: melia_lunch was last seen in #koha 41 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 1 minute, and 34 seconds ago: <melia_lunch> yay! thank you so much 20:27 rambutan @seen melia_lunch 20:25 cait for a sign off :) 20:25 cait whatever you seefit 20:25 drojf cait: for 10050, do you want me to see if the things show up in the installer&staff client or actually look trhough the sql? 20:16 cait we aren't using that feature, I am not entirely sure if it works right 20:15 jatara I have items in my catalog that are showing up as PROC, long after they've been moved to the library and have been checked in/out multiple times. I'm wondering if the permanent location was configured incorrectly. 20:14 cait but I think you only need it when you are using the cart/proc feature 20:14 cait jatara: it has no real item field, i think you can only do it using sql 20:13 jatara Quick question: if the permanent shelving location was configured incorrectly when the book was added to Koha, where can I go to change it? The "Edit Items" screen doesn't have that option. 20:03 jcamins tcohen: that seems reasonable to me, but run it by rangi. He'd know better how to do error handling with that. 20:02 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Like this jcamins?" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/471 20:02 jcamins rambutanI have not, but I'd heard about them. 19:59 rambutan jcamins: have you ever seen one of those? 19:59 rambutan http://urbanlibrariansunite.org/2013/02/08/the-mini-libraries/ 19:59 rambutan This is what got me thinking about it again... 19:58 jcamins I have three shades of off-white! 19:58 rambutan http://tinyurl.com/czxc3s6 19:58 jcamins Hey, off-white is a color! 19:57 rambutan Has anybody ever hooked one of the book dispensing kiosks up to Koha (via SIP, I mean)? At one time we were thinking about getting one or more of them. 19:57 oleonard Maybe just one. 19:57 jcamins Eventually. 19:57 jcamins I'm thinking of maybe adding some color. 19:56 bgkriegel yes of course :-) 19:56 jcamins bgkriegel: isn't that what I said? :P 19:55 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add SvcMaxReportRows 19:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #323: SUCCESS in 14 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/323/ 19:55 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add SvcMaxReportRows 19:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #38: SUCCESS in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/38/ 19:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #323 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #38 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:55 cait getting positive feedback from others about the change 19:55 cait but I think the masses really like the color 19:55 * cait didn't 19:53 bgkriegel austere? no color at all :-) 19:53 oleonard We had austere in the staff client for a long time jcamins and then the masses revolted :P 19:52 jcamins I tend to favor a rather austere color scheme (for instance http://www.screencast.com/t/2MkdJr0gwcg http://www.screencast.com/t/CElTlp3dCFJ ) but my reason for liking CCSR was that it worked well on my phone. 19:51 cait well it's really cool :) oleonard++ 19:50 oleonard No you didn't miss that. I didn't say. 19:50 cait today is a weird day 19:50 cait sorry, I think I missed that earlier 19:50 cait oh nice! 19:50 oleonard Bootstrap grid including responsive layout 19:49 oleonard That's what this version does 19:49 cait oleonard: is there a chance we could replace the yui grid in the opac in a new template? 19:48 cait I mean that's the main argument 19:48 cait i tihnk people like the mobile part of it 19:47 oleonard I'm open to suggestions. Right now the only preferences I've heard is that people like the style of CCSR 19:47 druthb oleonard++ 19:47 cait maybe we coul dhave a less grey version too? :) 19:46 cait i like it 19:45 gmcharlt oleonard++ 19:44 cait :) 19:44 oleonard Here's a version with more CCSR styling and the Koha logo in the navbar: http://www.screencast.com/t/Bvn2O6BsKW2n 19:37 jcamins Yeah, basically public reports. 19:35 nengard for the manual 19:35 nengard or something else? 19:35 nengard is it public reports? 19:35 nengard question - SvcMaxReportRows - what is the reports web service? 19:28 cait :) 19:12 druthb \o/ 19:12 * druthb waves with both hands. 19:04 * jcamins waves back 19:01 * cait waves 18:59 jcamins And I'm not sure... I feel like when there's a fixed toolbar I expect everything to be in that toolbar, not just some of the stuff. 18:59 jcamins oleonard: yay! 18:56 oleonard I'm curious about the placement of the Cart and Lists buttons in the fixed header. I wonder if people find them there in the CCSR theme 18:55 oleonard Trying a Bootstrap OPAC: http://www.screencast.com/t/OxYWcM08b7Z 18:51 melia ok thanks guys! I will check back with rangi later on, after he's had a chance to eat his breakfast and stuff :) 18:50 oleonard This is usually when rangi appears though not quite work time for him I think 18:50 jcamins They should be waking up soon. 18:49 melia they're still sleeping in NZ now, aren't they? I am always asking questions while they're still sleeping! 18:49 oleonard melia: You could make sure it applies to 3.10.x 18:49 oleonard Ask the release maintainer I suppose melia? 18:49 melia should I expect to see that pushed to stable 3.10.x at some point in the future, or is a new patch needed for that to happen? 18:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , item subfields not populating 18:48 melia how can I tell if a patch that has been pushed to master is also going to get into 3.10.x stable? specifically, I'm wondering about bug 9902 18:29 jcamins Otherwise they're dreadful. 18:29 jcamins eval blocks are fine if you catch the error. 18:28 tcohen anyway, gotta leave now, bye #koha 18:28 tcohen so everything gets boureaucratic 18:27 tcohen and Encode expects eval blocks for evaluating the conversion 18:27 tcohen (we have too little of it) 18:27 tcohen but have concerns on error checking 18:26 tcohen its pretty simple 18:26 tcohen i've been working on a patch for it 18:26 jcamins I saw, thanks. 18:26 tcohen jcamins, I filled a bug on the UTF-8 thing 18:22 oleonard martian523: Does that make sense? 18:17 oleonard martian523: Looks like that subfield is explicitly excluded by the script. Presumably because it would be considered fairly unusual to modify multiple records with the same value there. 18:14 martian523 952 i 18:14 oleonard What subfield is that martian523? 18:08 martian523 hi i'm using KOHA 3.10 and i'm wondering if koha field "stocknumber" can be displayed when doing batch item modification in the edit item section 18:04 nengard hiya 18:04 * druthb waves to nengard 16:55 vfernandes using MARC21 authorities with DOM 16:55 vfernandes ZOOM error 114 "Unsupported Use attribute" (addinfo: "Koha-Auth-Number") from diag-set 'Bib-1' 16:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 16:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10061 critical, P2, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Fix the tiny_mce error when building packages 16:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10018 major, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Building version update for master/3.13 16:35 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10061 - Fix tinymce path references broken by bug 9172 16:35 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10018 - version update for 3.13 16:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1140: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1140/ 16:35 vfernandes any one had this problem? 16:28 wahanui I only know what you teach me. 16:28 vfernandes what's wrong? 16:28 vfernandes one question: i'm having the following problem when editing MARC21 authorities in koha 3.10.3: ZOOM error 114 "Unsupported Use attribute" (addinfo: "Koha-Auth-Number") from diag-set 'Bib-1' 16:28 vfernandes hi :) 16:01 * tcohen is scared 15:56 tcohen (I mean, the problems have been around anyway, with Koha breaking because of them) 15:55 tcohen will be catched by our code in a better way 15:54 tcohen I feel most of the charset related problems we've seen 15:54 tcohen i have a possitive feeling about the utf8 vs. UTF-8 issue 15:53 tcohen that, and mysql's utf8 collation being case insensitive are two big sources of problems for Koha I guess 15:52 tcohen unfortunately, yes 15:51 jcamins I suspect probably we have to use utf8 due to the poor quality of the UTF-8 encoding used by most MARC records. 15:50 tcohen maybe some arab records could help 15:50 tcohen i'll try fixing every call and see the results 15:49 tcohen but sounds like some UTF-8 errors will not be catched by utf8 15:49 tcohen I'm not sure the implications in Koha 15:48 tcohen and utf8 a loose implementation prior to the standarization 15:48 tcohen it seems that UTF-8 means "the strict, safe implementation of the standard" 15:48 tcohen i'm just reading about it 15:48 tcohen and thus, utf8::decode and Encode::decode('UTF-8',XX) are not expected to work the same 15:48 jcamins I did not know that, actually. 15:47 tcohen jcamins, i've learnt that utf8 and UTF-8 mean different things in Perl 15:35 drojf thanks jcamins 15:35 drojf yay! 15:35 jcamins Most do. 15:34 jcamins You can skip 001. 15:33 drojf if i don't want to link records, can i just skip 001 or do i need it for something else? (if there is no union catalogue or other kind of record sharing) 15:29 tcohen hmm, internet says utf8::decode shouldn't be used, Encode::decode instead 15:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #1140 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:25 jcamins Thanks. 15:25 gmcharlt cool -- and in the bugs, I'll leave comments if I think something is a candidate for 3.12.x 15:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'origin/new/bug_10018_10061_deb_pkg_fixes' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4fec0749989975b13280e86187c8b357a13763e> / Bug 10061 - Fix tinymce path references broken by bug 9172 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=15f58c257f8830dffb7b7d565f868f4614f2063d> / Bug 10018 - version update for 3.13 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a 15:24 jcamins Side note: surely they mean 256MB of RAM, not 256k/RAM. 15:23 jcamins I'm cherry-picking and not merging so I should notice things like that. 15:23 drojf and tried the next time :D 15:23 drojf thanks magnuse. would have saved me an hour to ask earlier. because i just installed again ^^ 15:22 tcohen np 15:22 magnuse tcohen: yeah i am, sorry about that... 15:22 jcamins gmcharlt: right. 15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10018 major, P3, ---, robin, Passed QA , Building version update for master/3.13 15:22 jcamins bug 10018 15:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10061 critical, P2, ---, robin, Passed QA , Fix the tiny_mce error when building packages 15:21 jcamins bug 10061 15:21 tcohen are u confusing me with drojf, magnuse? 15:21 gmcharlt jcamins: 10061 is a candidate for 3.12, 10018 is not 15:15 magnuse tcohen: yeah, something changed, so at least when you ad users as the db user, you have a blank option at the top of the libraries dropdown 15:09 jcamins Unless you beat me to it. 15:09 jcamins Okay. Next time I'm pushing I'll take a look at that one. 15:08 gmcharlt jcamins: yeah, I can't say I'm too concerned; if nothing else, I can always default to reverting the commits individually 15:07 jcamins Though you may have more experience with reverting and therefore not end up with a screwed up branch every time you try to revert more than one merge on a given branch. 15:06 jcamins gmcharlt: I don't want to make it impossible for you to revert 6554, should that become necessary, but if I push a follow-up to the bug_6554 branch, reverting will get more complicated. 15:05 gmcharlt jcamins: hmm? 15:04 jcamins I have to consult with gmcharlt about how to go about pushing the follow-up that was placed on the same bug. 15:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 15:04 jcamins Bug 6554. 15:03 tcohen jcamins, you mentioned (yesterday) a bug related to UTF8 doble encoding? 14:56 drojf hm. it worked after choosing a library. i don't think i had to do this before. 14:54 nengard k - off to a webinar 14:54 kf don't think so :) 14:54 nengard :) 14:54 nengard if you all want to shut me up 14:54 nengard it might 14:54 kf nengard: it won't go faster because you ask every day 14:52 nengard it's all just text patches now 14:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update 14:52 nengard kf or other qa person - bug 9850 needs qa and to make it in to 3.12 14:51 drojf i tried to test a patch i made. installation goes fine but when i try to create a staff user, it does not work. i get »This patron does not exist.«. Is that a sign that i missed something when installing? 14:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Choose language using URL parameters in any page 14:49 tcohen bug 9735 could help debugging some translation problmes 13:58 kf oleonard: sounds like a good idea 13:52 drojf university_wifi-- 13:51 oleonard I'll leave it for another patch since there isn't an obvious answer to what to do with it. 13:50 kf like seeing how closed/unclosed invoices show up in other places 13:50 kf but I haven't had time to take a really good look at it 13:50 kf it seems acq is getting more and more complicated and I wonder which steps can be missed/not done 13:50 kf what I have wondered is about closing invoices and which consequences it has 13:49 kf and not from the invoice page that seems more to be like a summary/view 13:49 kf I think probably because you could only do/undo some actions from the parcels/shipment/need a good name for it page 13:49 kf it's a good question 13:48 oleonard That link is awkwardly-placed, and I'm curious where it fits into the workflow 13:48 kf hm yes, maybe we should rename that 13:48 oleonard On the invoice view/edit page (/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/invoice.pl?invoiceid=1) there is a link "Go to receipt page" 13:47 kf oleonard: ? 13:45 kf here now :) 13:27 kf in a minute 13:27 oleonard (or anyone else who has opinions on acquisitions workflows) 13:27 oleonard kf: Can I ask you an acquisitions workflow question? 13:25 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add OPACPopupAuthorsSearch description 13:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #322: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/322/ 13:25 magnuse distractions-- 13:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #322 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:14 oleonard I had started to work on a patch for that page several months ago and got distracted by something... 13:13 tweetbot [off] twitter: @opensourceway: "Lessons from Koha in open source project ownership with @osswatch's Mark Johnson | http://t.co/oBnGom59yr #kohaILS" 13:10 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add OPACPopupAuthorsSearch 13:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #321: SUCCESS in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/321/ 13:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #321 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:09 oleonard I think that would work 13:09 kf oleonard: maybe put it on top of the string changes? not sure if that would work 13:09 kf oleonard: nice! 13:08 oleonard Okay I'll file one. I'm working on that now. 13:08 kf oleonard: sorry no - I only noticed when I started working on the terms clean up 13:08 druthb o/ 13:07 oleonard kf: Did you create a bug for updating the invoice page template? 12:58 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.1°C (2:43 PM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 12:58 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 12:55 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: fix typo reported by Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel 12:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #320: SUCCESS in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/320/ 12:55 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: fix typo reported by Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel 12:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #37: SUCCESS in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/37/ 12:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #320 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 12:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #37 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 12:52 magnuse wow, norway is going bieber-crazy 12:51 magnuse not bad! 12:51 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 12:51 magnuse @wunder boo 12:41 tcohen eythian++ 12:38 huginn nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 13.3°C (8:33 AM EDT on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 12:37 nengard @wunder 19030 12:33 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.3°C (2:25 PM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 12:33 kf ;) 12:33 kf @wunder Konstanz 12:22 oleonard Very nice spring day today 12:22 oleonard Yes :) 12:21 kf was that right? 12:21 huginn kf: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 16.1°C (7:51 AM EDT on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 12:21 kf @wunder Athens, OH 12:20 kf hi oleonard :) 12:19 oleonard Hi #koha 12:18 kf oh warmer than in argentina! 12:18 kf :) 12:18 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 16.0°C (9:00 AM ART on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 12:18 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 12:18 tcohen hi kf1 12:17 huginn kf1: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 12:17 kf1 @wunder Konstanz 11:10 drojf hi #koha 11:07 magnus good advice :-) 11:07 magnus heh "Guide on the Side is an open-source application and, obviously, you have full permission to change it however you want. But you shouldn't." 10:56 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Mise à jour site de démonstration de Koha http://t.co/VNU14hF30u" 09:57 dcook later magnuse, kf, all :) 09:57 dcook All right. About time for this goose to head home 09:25 kf hi tajoli 09:15 dcook hey ya tajoli 09:12 tajoli and hi to all 09:11 magnuse and hiya tajoli 09:11 magnuse yay! 09:10 dcook We've been talking a bit about discovery layers recently, and this provides the missing piece that I wasn't sure how to solve theoretically 09:09 dcook This is really neat 09:09 dcook Thanks, magnuse 09:05 magnuse the implementation in koha is self documenting, e.g.: http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl 09:05 magnuse it's a protocol/webservice thing for listing current loans, renewing etc 09:04 dcook Neato. I was wondering how patrons could place holds in Koha through VuFind 09:04 dcook For interacting with discovery layers like VuFind 09:04 dcook Mmm 09:04 dcook http://www.diglib.org/community/groups/ils-di/ 09:03 dcook Looks like a digital library thing perhaps... 09:02 dcook Yeah, I just started reading through it, but I'm not sure I get it 09:02 magnuse i presume... 09:02 magnuse dcook: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/ILSDI/Services.pm;h=68cbdb3359f71681e02ebfd2ad8ce66298acdc5c;hb=HEAD 09:01 dcook Quick question...what is "ILSDI/Services.pm"? 08:59 dcook This is the latest I've been at work in ages 08:58 dcook And maybe do it tomorrow.. 08:58 dcook Time to report a bug.. 08:58 dcook The code is good. Just the documentation is wrong :) 08:56 kf and also restriction proces changed.. 08:56 kf probably old code 08:54 dcook Man..."IsMemberBlocked" is so not documented correctly... 08:53 dcook :) 08:53 dcook Sounds good 08:52 kf and explain why you think it can't go in like it is 08:51 kf just write a nice note 08:51 kf no if there is a bug 08:50 dcook Would it be bad form if I "fail QAed" a patch that was already signed off? 08:50 dcook Hmm... 08:47 magnuse good weird, then 08:47 kf ah yes 08:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6739 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , expired patrons not blocked from opac actions 08:47 magnuse dcook: i was remninded of Bug 6739 too 08:47 * kf has a weird brain 08:46 magnuse kf is pretty awesome for remembering bugs 08:45 dcook Thanks again for pointing this bug out, kf 08:39 dcook Yay for splinter review... 08:38 dcook Blah... 08:31 dcook Hmm, instead of reading the history, I'll just read the latest patch..heh 08:29 dcook To prevent abuse 08:29 dcook I think the self-reg has an option to have them restricted as well 08:28 dcook I looked at the restricted patron interface a while ago, but I'll look again 08:28 kf but that's the point of blocking an account? for example in cases of lost cards? 08:28 dcook This issue came to me from the staff client 08:28 kf but not sure all libraries would agree 08:28 dcook I haven't checked 08:28 kf I would think a restricted patron shoudl not be able to do anything in opac 08:28 dcook Hmm, that's a good point too 08:27 kf hm might still be worth taking a look 08:27 kf dcook: looks like it's about staff not opac maybe 08:27 dcook I'll be more frugal with my wbs next time ;) 08:27 gaetan_B dcook: leaving agin ;) 08:26 dcook wb gaetan_B 08:26 dcook Nice, kf! 08:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8236 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha, Signed Off , Prevent renewing if overdue or restriction 08:25 kf bug 8236 08:25 kf 8236 08:25 kf ok 08:25 dcook Nothing 08:24 kf hm look for renew 08:24 dcook Hmm, don't see a pref for "restrict" or "debar" 08:23 kf might be worht filing a bug if it's not a pref 08:23 dcook I love using master... 08:22 * dcook really needs to use his dev system more often.. 08:22 dcook Happens on master too in any case 08:22 dcook Hmm, I'll take a look 08:22 kf there might be a pref about that, but not sure 08:20 dcook Looks like you can renew books for a restricted patron in 3.8 08:19 dcook Huh... 08:09 kf martian742: talking to evergreen people now? :) 08:07 dcook Hmm, true enough 08:07 dcook ta gaetan_B 08:07 kf bye gaetan_B 08:07 gaetan_B i have to disconnect, see you later 08:06 kf maybe check the css with a validator 08:06 kf and browse the opac a bit 08:06 kf another way to test is install arabic 08:06 dcook I just wonder if there's a typo in the css somewhere 08:06 dcook Glancing at the code, it looks good ;) 08:05 kf make sure it doesn't break the english ccsr opac/normal opac 08:05 kf dcook: I think in that case do a regression test :) 08:03 dcook kf: Hmm, I'm never sure how to go about properly testing patches for bidi or UNIMARC, since I never use either 08:03 dcook bonjour paul_p 08:01 kf he has another patch waiting for the ccsr opac - if someone wanted to give that a whirl ;) 08:00 kf :) 08:00 dcook So they're doing the whole translation for kurdish? 07:59 dcook What they said :p 07:59 gaetan_B :D 07:59 wahanui hmmm... the project is the better for it. 07:59 gaetan_B the project 07:59 gaetan_B dcook: yes, i have seen this and i was very happy about it, they came in right in time for :) 07:59 * dcook thinks that kf commented on those as well 07:59 dcook I think Karam Qubsi has recently submitted some patches in relation to bi directional text 07:58 dcook Mmm, ok 07:58 gaetan_B so right to left 07:58 wahanui dcook: huh? 07:58 dcook Yes, wahanui. 07:58 gaetan_B but it is written with a variant of the arabic scritp 07:58 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 07:58 dcook Interesting.. 07:58 gaetan_B somewhat related to russian too it seems 07:58 gaetan_B which is an indo-germanic language 07:58 gaetan_B but here it's kurdish 07:58 gaetan_B dcook: in the south it's an arabic dialect 07:57 * dcook has never met anyone from Iraq 07:57 gaetan_B typing bi directionnal text (which we will not be able to avoid in the translation) is maybe the most confusing thing i have experienced 07:57 dcook What sort of language and script are used there? 07:57 dcook (Unless those librarians understand XML and XSL) 07:57 gaetan_B the translation project is going to be quite action packed i think 07:56 dcook Difficult for librarians to maintain, but easier for developers 07:56 gaetan_B dcook: ok good, this is all very reassuring :) 07:56 dcook If I had the option, I'd use XSLT for sure 07:56 dcook Yep 07:56 dcook But XSLT are far easier to change 07:56 kf but xslt shows a lot more and is better maintained 07:56 kf I guess that's the same for both displays - labels are hardcoded 07:56 kf yep what dcook says :) 07:56 dcook The frameworks will change what appears in the "MARC" display 07:55 kf it's pat of the opac po file 07:55 dcook Well, the non-XSLT, "Normal" display 07:55 gaetan_B kf: we always use custom stylesheets indeed 07:55 kf I would give it a try 07:55 dcook For a non-XSLT display, the display is hardcoded into the templates. They're not related to the frameworks. 07:55 kf they will more or less accidentally translate it 07:55 gaetan_B that's pretty good news 07:55 gaetan_B i'll give it a try then :) 07:55 kf yep 07:55 gaetan_B kf the default xslt get translated as well ? 07:55 kf gaetan_B: maybe you are always using a custom stylesheet with french? 07:55 kf gaetan_B: hm not sure I understand the problem 07:55 gaetan_B dcook: i'm interested :) 07:54 gaetan_B but if i get into this here, i know it's going to get *really* complicated 07:54 gaetan_B i would never use anything else than xslt for a french library 07:54 kf they get translated with the po file, only if you have custom stylesheets you have to 07:54 dcook We don't use xslt over here 07:54 dcook Hey gaetan_B, I might have some answers 07:54 kf the fields are in the po file so or so 07:54 kf I don't think so 07:53 kf um no 07:53 gaetan_B using the xslt means getting involved into some really murky translation to kurdish and arabic for different xslts, which i want to avoid at all costs 07:53 * magnuse recommends it too 07:53 kf well... I think I do recommend it 07:53 kf I would almost recommend using it 07:53 kf we are only using the xslt 07:53 magnuse gaetan_B: look at the xslt for lists and details, perhaps? 07:53 kf ah 07:53 kf or the normal display (leave empty) in the prefs 07:53 gaetan_B kf: i mean not using the xslt at all 07:53 kf gaetan_B: do you mean tehe default setting for the xslt prefs? 07:52 gaetan_B or should i fill a record with all the possible fields and see ? 07:52 gaetan_B and if so is there a way i can get the list of fields that display somewhere ? 07:52 gaetan_B are the name of the fields taken from the frameworks or are they in the templates ? 07:52 gaetan_B how does the default display for results and detailed records work in marc21 ? 07:51 gaetan_B by the way 07:51 gaetan_B it's not so typical i can tell you ;) 07:51 gaetan_B :D 07:51 kf sounds like a typical library :) 07:51 gaetan_B i don't them to get confused with all the possible MARC21 fields 07:51 gaetan_B but i'm trying to make it as simple and fool proof as possible 07:50 gaetan_B theey are quite demanding and ambitious i must say ! 07:50 gaetan_B kf: this week i am not really giving a training, it only setting up stuff, and understanding how they work so that we can come up with a reasonable set-up 07:50 magnuse koha can take you to some interesting places... 07:50 kf but more training today? :) 07:49 gaetan_B kf: not now :) 07:49 kf are we on the big screen again? 07:49 kf :) 07:49 kf hi gaetan_B 07:48 gaetan_B hallo kf :) 07:48 gaetan_B dcook: a project with a university here :) 07:47 kf and good morning #koha again 07:47 kf thx dcook 07:46 dcook wb kf 07:44 dcook What takes you to Irak/Kurdistan? 07:42 dcook But a good day all in all :) 07:42 dcook A bit less exciting. I'm still/back in Australia 07:41 gaetan_B what about you :p ? 07:41 gaetan_B in Kurdistan to be more precise 07:41 gaetan_B dcook: well, i'm in Irak right now ;) 07:41 dcook How goes the day in France? 07:40 gaetan_B allo dcook :) 07:39 dcook allo gaetan_B 07:38 dcook That is rather odd 07:35 martian742 interestingly, there are also 58 people on the Evergreen IRC chan :) 07:31 * dcook waves to the BibLibre folk 07:20 tweetbot [off] twitter: @i_robin: "Lessons from Koha (@kohails) in open source project ownership http://t.co/itbRwPvNrs #opensource #library" 07:05 mtj naked_librarians++ 07:02 martian742 yep 07:02 magnuse hehe, now that is progressive ;-) 07:02 martian742 they even did a naked charity calendar, shot entirely in a library 07:02 magnuse the more the merrier 07:02 magnuse you should! 07:02 martian742 should motivate them into FOSS ILS 07:02 magnuse yay for progressive librarian nerds! :-) 07:01 martian742 where I live, the librarian nerds are qutie progressive though 07:01 magnuse hehe 07:01 martian742 sure, will do 07:01 martian742 magnuse: since they don't spend much time on the IRC, unlike other computer nerds :) 07:00 magnuse i was trained as a librarian, in fact, but i never did any serious cataloguing... 06:59 magnuse if you want to talk to librarians, the main mailing list is probably a better bet 06:59 magnuse martian742: there are some librarians, but not a lot 06:55 martian742 magnuse: would you say that librarians generally hang around here? I'm not, I have holes in the best practices including cataloguing 06:51 magnuse ah :-) 06:51 martian742 magnuse: right, + paranoid me had to enable JavaScript in my bro'ser 06:51 magnuse but it also says "prototype version 20120410-a " 06:50 magnuse there's stuff under the "Browse" tab 06:50 martian742 like it's not loaded with data 06:50 martian742 magnuse: also, the site looks a bit empty 06:50 magnuse cait++ for being helpful 06:50 magnuse ah "The features are updated through Koha version 3.8 and Evergreen version 2.2" - there has been a lot of development since 3.8 06:49 martian742 cait: thanks for all the fish 06:49 martian742 cait: sweet 06:49 cait martian742: have to run - but luckily my day time job is also koha - so will be back with my second identity later 06:48 magnuse martian742: http://features.galecia.com/ might be of interest 06:48 martian742 see? cookies are important everywhere 06:47 cait koha is very international, perhaps a bitmore than evergreen is right now 06:47 martian742 cait: my hackerspace channel is currently talking about whipped cream 06:47 martian742 haven't been in an overseas relationship for a bit now, don't have the hang of it anymore :) 06:46 martian742 cait: right 06:46 cait evergreen is mostly american i think 06:46 cait 10 hours now from here, so early evening there now 06:46 wahanui one of them is, like, bound to have a good idea ;) 06:46 cait well, one of them 06:46 cait NZ has gone to feed the kids :P 06:45 martian742 cait: NZ there? 06:45 cait they have their own chat too - which might be the more direct way :) 06:45 cait as it's US try a bit later of course :) 06:45 martian742 cait: yup! 06:45 magnuse i can never remember where, though... 06:45 cait compare what looks better for you? 06:45 martian742 cait: and since the people hang around here, I better ask them ;-) 06:45 cait maybe take a look at your demo and theirs? 06:45 magnuse there is a nice comparison thingy for koha and evergreen 06:45 cait I have never used Evergreen - so I really don't want to say something wrong 06:44 martian742 cait: that's what figure, after trying it 06:44 cait which was one of the main reasons I ended up with koha :) 06:44 martian742 they already have a good bit translated into Czech 06:44 cait I think installation is a bit more difficult 06:44 cait evergreen people hang around here too - so maybe better ask them 06:44 cait oh 06:43 cait hm not sure I understand your question, can you explain? 06:43 martian742 why should I not invest my time in Evergreen for example 06:43 reiveune hello 06:43 cait you just have to hurry a bit with your question - as i have to go to work in 5 :) 06:43 martian742 could you advocate for Koha, compare it to other FOSS ILSs.. 06:42 martian742 cait: still, if I may, this is something FOSS people want to know how to do properly: 06:41 martian742 cait: thanks a lot 06:37 wahanui :) 06:37 cait wahanui botsnack cookie 06:37 wahanui add languages is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client 06:37 cait wahanui add languages? 06:37 christophe_c hello #koha 06:37 cait add languages is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client 06:37 cait installing additional languages is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client 06:36 martian742 cait: bad doggie 06:36 cait installing additonal languages? 06:36 cait I thought I taught him 06:36 cait add additional languages? 06:36 cait additional languages? 06:36 cait hm maybe take a loo here to see how it works: 06:34 martian742 cait: so do I inject .po files into the local install, does it boil down to that when wanting to edit it locally in the first approach? 06:33 cait nice! 06:32 martian742 http://base48.cz 06:32 martian742 cait: or do it from my local hackerspace, great environment to brag about such issues :D 06:32 cait every 6 month a big release, every month a bug fix release 06:31 cait Koha also does bug fix releases every month 06:31 martian742 cait: pour me another beer, I'll deal with fuzzy :) 06:30 cait but there is always quite a bit to do with updated help and new featues and srings going fuzzy from changes in the templates 06:30 martian742 there are FOSS projects that do, I think :( 06:30 martian742 cait: right 06:30 cait meaning you don't have to start over each version 06:30 martian742 cait: yeah, but at least that implies adding translations over time? not reviewing them so much? 06:30 cait we update translations, so we try not to cause more work then necessary 06:29 cait but maybe you should start with 3.12 then 06:29 cait that's hard with Koha as we keep adding stuff all the time :) 06:29 martian742 ee long living 06:29 martian742 cait: not exactly, but I want my translations to be long lived 06:29 cait 3.12 will be released on may 22nd - so we are currently working up to that 06:28 cait for translations you could use the beta2 packages or a current 3.10 release 06:28 cait if you want to do dev that's the way to go 06:28 martian742 the dev edge 06:28 cait ah by git 06:28 martian742 well what I find in your version control thingy 06:27 cait not sure what you mean by trunk version :) 06:27 martian742 cait: packages (?) .. avoiding the bot? :) would you recommend against installing the TRUNK version in my case? 06:27 cait any questions? ;) 06:26 cait I think we have it mostly covered :) 06:26 martian742 cait: don‎'t bother stopping :) 06:25 martian742 cait: what I did with PMB was injecting tell-tale code into the PHP, it would display in red, what ID - in the interface itself 06:25 cait and now i stop spamming you with links :) 06:25 wahanui well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 06:25 cait packages? 06:25 cait and for the rest... installing koha is best done using the packages 06:24 cait you can search for templates on pootle too, but if you are the only translator working on something at the time (which it would look like here) sometimes a local editor is faster 06:24 cait it might be worth using something that lets you limit to certain templates to get the most important done in the beginning 06:24 martian742 cait: have been there with PMB, consistency becomes a real issue with that big amount of texts 06:24 cait once the files are up you could also use a local tool for translating, like poedit 06:23 martian742 cait: awww, right 06:23 cait the intranet is huge, partly because it includes all the error messages and the context help 06:23 cait and one for intranet 06:23 cait one for opac 06:23 cait one for prefs (that's only administration, so no need to start with that) 06:23 cait you can see there are 3 (now we have 4) 06:23 cait when you take a look at the 3.8 files 06:22 cait I think the termininology things come with pootle 06:22 cait no guarantee she sees it, so mailing list would still be good 06:22 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 06:22 cait @later tell druthb could you check Czech translation on pootle? martian742 might be interested in doing some translation - but 3.10 and 3.12 files are missing :) 06:22 martian742 cait: what would you judge from that? 06:21 martian742 cait: it seems that all the Terminology phrases have already been translated ( http://translate.koha-community.org/cs/ ) 06:21 cait morning magnuse :) 06:21 cait hope that makes sense 06:19 cait i think they might not be active somehow in the translation scripts - I could tell you how to gneerate them, but it shoudl be fixed to keep them updates 06:19 cait and ask for the files for 3.10 and 3.12 to be added 06:19 * magnuse waves from norway 06:18 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 06:18 cait mailing lists? 06:18 cait oh come on wahanui 06:18 cait I suggest dropping a mail to translate@koha-community.org - mailing lists are here: mailing lists? 06:18 martian742 my lib. relies on the clerk interface first and foremost 06:18 cait I see that the files are missing 06:18 cait hm 06:18 cait as koha has lots of features 06:18 cait ah, but that's quite huge 06:18 martian742 cait: no, need to start with the core 06:18 martian742 doesn't exist 06:18 cait I guess starting with the opac would be good 06:17 cait ah ok 06:17 martian742 cait: I have seen 06:17 cait so let's see for czech translations 06:17 cait who doesn't? :) 06:17 martian742 :D 06:17 martian742 cait: need more cookies as well 06:17 cait if you are fine with that too you are at the right place ;) 06:17 cait we talk lots about food and cookies 06:16 martian742 cait: well, that's what I'm hoping for, as I'm also an English language-junkie AND have failed to learn French (a PMB community pseudo-req. indeed) 06:15 rangi martian742: that would be an oracle trick :) 06:15 martian742 rangi: just kidding 06:15 cait martian742: koha's community is very alive - as you will see when you stick around a bit longer 06:15 martian742 rangi: installation error: you need to have more than 10k books in your library :D 06:14 rangi koha will scale down to that small :) 06:14 rangi its certainly much more feature rich than PMB (its a few years older too) 06:14 martian742 cait: my case is a small elementary school's lib. of about 4000 books 06:14 martian742 (PHP My Bibli) which I have been using until now, and the community doesn't feel good to me 06:13 cait what kind of library is yours? 06:13 cait but some universities are using koha now 06:13 cait I think PMB is also used 06:13 martian742 cait: bummer for PMB 06:13 cait and we currently support 11 libraries in Germany 06:13 cait it#s widely used in France now 06:12 martian742 cait: I have, the Czech trans. is virtually non-existent 06:12 cait hm it certainly always depends on the libraries 06:12 martian742 and would you say that Koha is up to date with the current (or rather long-standing) rules and practices used in the European libraries? 06:12 cait have you taken a look at translate.koha-community.org ? 06:11 cait you don#t have to change anything in koha for htat 06:11 cait translations are done with po files 06:11 cait of course :) 06:11 martian742 can I stay in sync like that? 06:11 martian742 I have a specific Q though: is it easy to stay on the TRUNK version of Koha while continuously pushing in the Czech translation I would be working on? 06:09 martian742 rangi: well that is sure more important :) 06:09 rangi developer from NZ about to leave to feed his kids 06:09 * cait waves from Germany 06:09 cait hi martian742 06:09 rangi hi martian742 06:08 martian742 hello there a prospective Koha user from the Czech Republic checking in.. 05:55 cait for spring and for going home :) 05:52 cait yep - about time! 05:52 dcook Be back in a bit! 05:52 dcook I'm off though! 05:51 dcook Yay spring! 05:51 dcook Wow! 05:47 cait but looks like it rained a bit tonight 05:47 cait we had 24 yesterday 05:47 cait yep 05:47 dcook That's quite a bit warmer than it has been, isn't it? 05:46 dcook Wow... 05:46 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.9°C (7:40 AM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 05:46 cait @wunder Konstanz 04:53 dcook Hope it was a decent monday 04:53 dcook bonne nuit, bag 04:53 bag :) 04:52 wahanui goodnight bag. You'll be back. 04:52 bag night all 04:51 dcook Hmm, looks warmer outside 04:51 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (2:30 PM EST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 04:51 dcook @wunder Sydney, Australia 04:50 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 04:50 eythian @wunder nzwn 04:33 cait but I might be mistaken :) 04:33 cait iirc fredericd 04:33 dcook ++ to whoever put in that syspref 04:33 dcook It still has a hardcoded default if the system preference isn't set 04:33 dcook Ahh 04:33 cait it used to be hardcoded 20 before the sys pref was done 04:32 dcook 20 is heaps fast hehe 04:32 cait depends abit on collection size 04:32 bag ah 20 is fast :) 04:32 cait we use higher - but not sure how high 04:32 cait yeah 04:32 dcook *shrug* 04:32 dcook 20 seems like a rather low default though 04:30 dcook Being exhaustive vs. being quick 04:30 dcook I suppose this set up allows the librarian to make the call 04:30 dcook Intriguing 04:30 dcook Hmm 04:29 dcook If you're trying to get facets for thousands of records 04:29 cait it looks at all records, it would really slow down things 04:29 dcook That's what I was about to say 04:29 dcook Yeah 04:29 cait dcook: theproblem is performance 04:29 dcook I suppose that should be the only limit 04:29 bag oh yes limit should be number of results 04:28 bag should there be a limit? 04:27 dcook I'm not actually seeing any limit to "maxRecordsForFacets"... 04:27 wahanui okay, eythian. 04:27 eythian wahanui: cait is also <reply>go back to bed, cait. 04:26 cait hi eythian 04:24 eythian hi cait 04:22 bag heya cait 04:22 * cait waves :) 04:22 * dcook waves to cait 04:22 dcook bag: :p 04:02 bag just kidding dcook 04:02 bag hehe 04:02 bag or facts :P 04:00 * dcook stops rambling about facets 04:00 dcook 3.03... 04:00 dcook Also has a default of 20 03:59 dcook Hmm, quite an old preference... 03:57 dcook Certainly a handy syspref to know about though! 03:56 dcook I assume this is the one that has a cap of 500 records mentioned here: http://www.biblibre.com/en/blog/entry/solr-developments-for-koha 03:56 * dcook just found the "maxRecordsForFacets" system preference 03:48 dcook G'night, jcamins 03:47 wizzyrea time zone "yesterday" 03:47 eythian Both coasts are in the same time zone, so I don't see what it'd change really 03:46 bag :P 03:46 bag should we call this time west coast and far coast? 03:45 rangi cya jcamins 03:44 eythian later jcamins 03:43 jcamins Good night, #koha. 03:43 * jcamins notices the time, calls it a night. 03:40 wizzyrea keke 03:38 jcamins Especially if they have werewolf-related intertitles. 03:38 jcamins wizzyrea: that will make me much more likely to watch your entire screencasts. 03:38 * wizzyrea is going to start putting silent movie music on all screencasts 03:29 bag rangi++ #cool info :) 03:23 eythian that one in particular 03:23 eythian http://favim.com/orig/201108/21/1920s-1922-forest-intertitle-nosferatu-Favim.com-127405.jpg <-- wizzyrea, you should use intertitles. 03:23 rangi i suspect it would make some interesting graphs for koha 03:22 rangi https://timbunce.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/nytprof-v5-flamegraph.png 03:22 rangi so for perl 03:21 rangi (time across the bottom) 03:21 rangi you can spot the slow things easier 03:21 rangi thats for a stack trace 03:21 wizzyrea preeeeety 03:21 rangi http://dtrace.org/blogs/brendan/files/2011/12/mysql-flame.png 03:20 rangi hehe 03:20 jcamins I have no idea what it means, but that graph looks *awesome*! 03:20 rangi moar flames 03:20 jcamins mtj: we have, no doubt. 03:20 rangi http://blog.timbunce.org/2013/04/08/nytprof-v5-flaming-precision/ 03:19 wizzyrea and in truth, sometimes those people who impede progress, impede us from doing impossibly stupid things like letting a single company take over. 03:18 mtj jcamins, fwiw, i think we have gotten much much better at stopping trolls within the project 03:18 wizzyrea but use an input box on the screen to narrate. 03:18 wizzyrea often I do them silently 03:18 wizzyrea when I do screencasts 03:17 dcook Subtitles could help with troubleshooting... 03:16 jcamins Hehe. 03:15 wizzyrea that always goes over well. 03:15 wizzyrea or a .ogg 03:14 rangi i see you bloat and raise you 50501 03:14 rangi actually make a movie of opening it and send it as an mp4 03:14 wizzyrea but no screen*cast* capability 03:14 wizzyrea all of the screen*shot* capabiility 03:14 rangi just take a screenshot of opening it and send it back 03:14 wizzyrea I use shutter on ubuntu, it's as close to jing as you can get with linux. 03:13 mtj sceenshots in word docs is one of my pet peeves, too 03:13 bag heh 03:13 jcamins bag: several blog posts, I think. My favorite comment on one of those was the person who posted "Microsoft Word is a great way to share screenshots." 03:13 * wizzyrea would never actually tell a librarian that it drives me nuts, because I'm simply thankful that they gave me a screenshot... but I do die a little each time. 03:12 dcook The twitching varies from email to email, day to day 03:12 dcook Yes, I get those as well 03:12 bag drives her crazy too 03:12 dcook hehe 03:12 bag I think she has written blog posts about that 03:12 bag oh wizzyrea I think nengard rants about that all the time 03:08 jcamins *incompatible 03:08 jcamins "You are incompatibile"? 03:07 wizzyrea more like a cyberman really 03:07 wizzyrea no, I'm a robot. 03:07 wahanui you are, like, a Cylon, and they all have plans 03:07 wizzyrea wizzyrea? 03:06 eythian wizzyrea has now completed her transformation into a lich, we get so many of them. 03:06 jcamins I don't even know how one would go about putting screenshots in a Word document. 03:06 wizzyrea i die a little inside each time. 03:05 eythian word docs appear to be the standard medium for transferring screenshots, for whatever reason. 03:04 eythian ah 03:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10062 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Attached item from a deleted record 03:04 jcamins eythian: bug 10062. 03:03 wahanui file is saved in the koha server itself 03:03 eythian jcamins: file? 03:03 eythian The problem with it is it can make large, sweeping changes very, very difficult. 03:03 jcamins Is there a bug described in that proprietary file? 03:03 jcamins Hm. 03:02 bag I attended a quaker college. So I'm used to this sort of organization… I does drive you crazy at times. but I've always liked it 03:00 jcamins I honestly believe that if we could organize under SPI or the other organization we could probably fix 75% of our organizational problems in a matter of six months. I just think that our organizational problems will prevent that. 02:59 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 02:59 eythian @later tell tcohen your wish is my command* (finally.) New master packages uploaded. [* single use only, not valid any more] 02:56 bag well let's make you happy :) 02:55 jcamins Very happy. 02:55 wizzyrea I am sure you'd be happy to be wrong. 02:55 jcamins What I do think is that those people will prevent us making any forward movement. 02:55 bag good 02:55 jcamins bag: I don't think they are. 02:54 bag it happens to use all 02:54 jcamins I guess more of the responses that I've been ignoring have been directed to me personally, though, haven't they? 02:54 bag nobody is picking on you jared 02:54 jcamins wizzyrea: except for any time I send a message to the list, unfortunately. 02:54 bag that's true 02:53 wizzyrea actually the trolls have been rather quiet lately 02:53 dcook bag++ 02:53 bag nothing is impossible 02:52 bag that was a heh for dcook not jcamins [off] :P 02:52 bag heh 02:52 jcamins [off] I don't see a snowball's chance in hell of that, frankly. There are too many trolls in the community who want to shoot down any forward movement on joining SPI/the other one. 02:52 * dcook likes bag's optimism 02:51 dcook hehe 02:51 dcook Someone who works full time on Koha or to make Koha part of SPI? 02:51 bag WE CAN DO IT :) 02:51 bag give me another year and then that will be my project :) 02:51 dcook :) 02:51 bag I'll make it happen 02:51 dcook But one day will only happen if someone makes it happen 02:51 bag only koha 02:50 bag I think we will one day… someone who works for koha :) 02:50 bag yup would be nice to have a FTE koha person 02:49 jcamins And there won't be while Koha isn't part of SPI or some other organization like that. 02:49 jcamins bag: I'm not. 02:49 bag jcamins: are we ever going to change that? 02:49 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 02:49 eythian @later tell gmcharlt can you please put bug 10018 and bug 10061 into master? They're needed for package builds. 02:49 jcamins Part of the problem is that there is absolutely no one whose job it is to make sure that Koha continues to progress. 02:47 jcamins And keep in mind, that first patch? That was the simple, low-risk patch! 02:47 bag *sigh* 02:46 jcamins In order to get a significant development like the search rewrite into 3.12, several dozen worthy features had to be dropped. 02:43 mtj eythian++ 02:43 dcook How do you mean process? 02:43 bag maybe more bloated than worse :P 02:43 bag oh yeah search has the worst bloated code 02:43 jcamins But honestly what made me give up was not the code. It was the process. 02:42 jcamins Yes, with some of the worst code. 02:42 bag any rewrite is ambitous ^^^ khall_away see that :) 02:42 dcook Or at least one of the most highly used 02:42 dcook Being the most highly used module and all 02:42 dcook I imagine there must be quite a few factors that contribute that as well, eh, jcamins? 02:41 jcamins Even though I planned the development so as to be fairly incremental, the fact is even small changes are difficult to make. 02:41 dcook Certainly, Zebra doesn't play super nicely with ICU... 02:41 wizzyrea confetti makes me laugh every time. 02:41 dcook Yay eythian! 02:41 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 02:41 wizzyrea confetti! 02:41 dcook mtj: I think there are criticisms of Zebra's ability to handle diacritics for roman scripts as well 02:40 eythian gar, finally got master building again. 02:40 mtj but for CJK users, solr gives them a chance at decent search results - that zebra cant 02:40 jcamins Right. 02:40 dcook Bad idea meaning an overly ambition idea? 02:39 dcook The author has done a lot of work, and I certainly wouldn't fault them for getting sick of it 02:39 jcamins Ideally someone else would pick it up after I wrote up what needed to be done, but most people knew it was a bad idea without trying first. 02:39 mtj so, for us non-CJK users… there is not much difference in features between solr and zebra , for koha 02:39 dcook Mmm, fair enough 02:39 jcamins Yes, the author got sick of it, and after he finishes some bugfixes to the first part, he's declaring it over as far as he's concerned. 02:38 dcook was? 02:38 rangi the search rewrite was moving us in that direction 02:38 jcamins Yeah, that would be the ideal. 02:37 dcook mtj: Personally, I'd love to see a Koha that could be DB and Indexer independent, but...easier said than done 02:36 bag hey dcook 02:36 mtj jcamins. yes, of course…. 02:36 dcook evening bag 02:35 jcamins mtj: yeah, but I'd rather have searching work for the languages I use first. 02:34 bag yup not good 02:34 mtj jcamins, there is one big feature solr has, thats missing from zebra…. good searching of CJK ngrams 02:34 bag hey mtj 02:32 mtj hi all - sorry to hear the news from boston :( 02:27 bag yeah mess is right - you can say that again 02:27 rangi yeah, i saw, what a mess 02:26 bag sad day here 02:26 bag yo rangi 02:26 rangi hey bag 02:25 bag evening 02:21 dcook Sounds good to me 02:21 rangi its a good way to safely put things the whole community own 02:19 dcook The fact that other big projects are associated certainly makes it seem more attractive 02:19 wahanui Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 02:19 dcook Interesting 02:18 rangi spi can also hold the TMs, koha-community.org etc 02:18 rangi dcook: those services are just for random things, and don't really span project stuff 02:18 jcamins Only in the US. 02:18 jcamins Hehe. 02:18 dcook I didn't know that people really used them anymore 02:17 dcook Surprised to see them mention "checks" so much 02:17 dcook Doesn't that work out to more than some of the other services that you were looking at before? 02:17 dcook 4.5% from credit cards then 5% for overhead 02:17 dcook Might not be the easiest to donate to though 02:15 rangi not too complicated either 02:15 rangi http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/associated-project-howto/ 02:15 dcook Sounds great 02:14 wizzyrea in good company :) 02:14 rangi http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/services/ 02:14 rangi postgres too 02:14 rangi use it 02:14 rangi debian, jenkins, libreoffice etc 02:13 dcook I was just about to ask if that was the link 02:13 rangi http://spi-inc.org/ 02:12 dcook jcamins: That's cool 02:12 wahanui SPI is just a way to hold/traffic assets 02:12 dcook rangi: SPI? 02:11 rangi then we can collect it 02:11 rangi dcook: basically we need to join something like SPI to hold the money first 02:11 jcamins Most of the special collections in the UK get a sizable portion of the acquisition budgets from the National Lottery Fund. 02:09 dcook Saskatchewan lotteries actually puts quite a bit of money into public libraries 02:09 dcook Interesting fact 02:09 dcook Koha really needs to win the lottery or put together some sort of donation service.. 02:08 jcamins It was part of my search rewrite proposal. 02:07 jcamins Right. 02:07 dcook Zebra = Koha 02:06 dcook So I assume that we haven't "fixed" facets in Zebra because there hasn't been the financial support to do it yet? 01:58 jcamins It's possible to get raw facets out of Zebra. 01:55 dcook With Zebra facets 01:55 dcook But then the diacritic issue comes up that they mention in the RFC 01:55 dcook Mmm 01:53 jcamins I mean, solr has better faceting than Zebra, but Zebra has better faceting than Koha. 01:52 dcook Hmm 01:52 rangi *snap* 01:52 rangi not sure about that jcamins would know, but im guessing our fault 01:51 jcamins Our fault, mostly. 01:51 dcook Is that one of the issues that we created ourselves or is that a limitation of Zebra? 01:50 dcook rangi: What's your take on the facets issue? 01:50 dcook Same 01:50 jcamins That is my assumption. 01:49 dcook So BibLibre has a successful implementation, but their code hasn't come over? 01:49 dcook jcamins: I thought that was the case as well ;) 01:49 jcamins Kind of a critical error. 01:49 dcook My only complaints would be the config files (which...you get used to) 01:49 jcamins Also, the Solr implementation we have now doesn't work. 01:49 dcook Overall, Zebra seems to work pretty well 01:48 dcook With perhaps the exception of not having an active development community 01:48 rangi everything ppl blame on zebra, are problems we totally created ourselves 01:47 rangi naw, no advantage 01:46 dcook Nor would you? 01:43 rangi not me 01:42 dcook Does anyone use Solr for indexing other than BibLibre? 01:37 dcook hey ya mtompset 01:37 mtompset Greetings, dcook. 01:08 mtompset (beta 2) 01:08 mtompset ubuntu 13.04, that is. 00:54 mtompset (I used squeeze-dev) 00:53 mtompset Nice... Looks like Koha sets up nice under 13.04 for packages. :) 00:10 mtompset giving ubuntu 13.04 beta 2 a whirl. :)