IRC log for #koha, 2013-04-09

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00:27 mtj dcook, have a go with znc, as a irc bouncer/proxy thingy ->
00:28 mtj its idiot-proof
00:29 dcook hehe
00:29 dcook mtj: I was looking at znc a little bit earlier
00:29 dcook Does look like a pretty straightforward install
00:30 dcook Not really sure where to run it though
00:30 dcook I thought about running it from home, but that server is more for fun/learning than anything, so I don't want to leave it on all the time
00:32 mtj yeah, finding a suitable box to run your always-on bouncer, can be a problem
00:35 mtj as wiz said… its a perfect little project for an rpi
00:36 mtj plug it into your home network - always on, low-power… just sits there doing its thing
00:36 dcook Hmmm...that's not a bad idea...
00:36 dcook I've been thinking about picking one up even just to use as a media centre
00:39 dcook Seems pretty common for people to run xbmc on it
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00:47 jcamins wizzyrea, it occurs to me there is probably a severe performance penalty for remote stylesheets, but I haven't tried.
00:48 jcamins That struck me at 10k feet.
00:49 mtj jcamins, lets hope thats the only thing to strike you at 10k feet!
00:49 jcamins lol
00:49 jcamins Thankfully it was.
00:50 jcamins We are presently sittinf on the plane waiting for a gate to open in Atlanta.
00:50 mtj hmm, i can see how that might be a speed hit, jcamins  :/
00:50 jcamins Yay! We have a gate!
00:51 jcamins Yup. Round trip every query.
00:52 mtj hopefully some network caching, helping out there… but still :/
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00:53 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
00:55 dcook hey ya mtompset
00:55 mtompset Greetings, dcook.
01:01 dcook Back in Canada?
01:09 mtompset Yes. Back in my home and native land. :)
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02:10 eythian wahanui: git tips is[…]ou-getting-fired/
02:10 wahanui OK, eythian.
02:42 * mtj goes on a little twitter RT bender...
02:42 rangi heh
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03:59 eythian wahanui: oh no is <reply>[…]33/collapsing.gif
03:59 wahanui ...but no is <reply>
03:59 eythian wahanui: oh no is also <reply>[…]33/collapsing.gif
03:59 wahanui okay, eythian.
04:00 wizzyrea oh no!
04:00 wizzyrea hm
04:00 wizzyrea oh no
04:00 wizzyrea oh no?
04:00 wahanui[…]33/collapsing.gif
04:00 eythian I think it's too short to trigger normally
04:00 wizzyrea how about noooooooo
04:00 wizzyrea ah that made me laugh.
04:02 mtj yeah, that was flippin sweet
04:03 rangi what?
04:03 rangi hmmm
04:12 bag evening all
04:13 wizzyrea hmm?
04:21 dcook evening, bag
04:21 bag hey dcook
04:23 mtj rangi, the collasping gif ^^
04:27 jcamins 00:25 and I am off the plane. I kind of wish we'd flown back earlier.
04:36 eythian where'd you go?
04:48 jcamins San Antonio for a wedding.
04:48 eythian ah right
04:49 eythian why is contactnote associated with the alt address, and not called altcontactnote like would make sense?
04:49 eythian I'd also quite like a "department" field for professional users.
04:50 jcamins To drive you batty?
04:50 wizzyrea I think dcook asked about that too
04:50 wizzyrea because it's the note, associated with the alternate contact
04:50 eythian jcamins: seems plausible
04:50 eythian wizzyrea: yes, associated with fields like "altcontactfirstname" :)
04:52 wizzyrea :)
04:52 wizzyrea I dind't say it was logical or rational
04:52 wizzyrea just that it is.
04:52 eythian yeah
04:52 eythian oh well
04:52 wizzyrea i wonder how many times I've said that in #koha
04:53 eythian fax         => curry(\&literal, 'fax'), # Polio
04:53 eythian teehee
04:57 eythian bag:
04:58 bag :)
05:04 dcook Hmm?
05:04 dcook Nothing like a fire alarm to give you a reason to stretch the legs
05:05 dcook eythian: Yeah...I wondered the same thing about contactnote. Still not a fan of that one...
05:05 dcook As for "department", we usually use sort1 or sort2 using authorized values and change of the template either using JQuery or a hard-coded change
05:06 eythian yeah. Could do with a revisit some time, that whole area.
05:06 eythian hmm, not a silly idea actually
05:06 eythian I was thinking of just using 'address'
05:07 dcook Agreed about the re-visit. A lot of the field names are counterintuitive like phonepro and phone being called primary phone and other phone
05:07 dcook Same with email addresses
05:08 dcook It's a bit inconsistent and confusing :/
05:08 dcook I think the edit screen doesn't match the patron detail screen either...
05:08 * dcook should really split his commit and re-submit regarding that one...
05:08 eythian yeah
05:09 eythian it wouldn't be too hard to fix, either
05:10 dcook Well, Owen suggested that there was possibly a reason for it
05:10 * dcook rummages around for a minute
05:10 eythian there may have been, once upon a time
05:11 dcook bug 9383
05:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9383 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, In Discussion , Bad logic, missing params, and irregular labeling for Members scripts
05:11 dcook Ah, right. It also gets more complicated, based on the type of patron category...
05:11 dcook :S
05:12 dcook Oh wait, I think Owen was actually trying to start a discussion
05:12 eythian yeah, but not hugely
05:13 eythian > Maybe we should take a step back and try to isolate what differences are really necessary and what differences might have originated with some library's specific needs.
05:13 eythian yes, this
05:13 dcook mhm
05:16 dcook If I read my own notes correctly, the category_type conditions didn't actually work
05:16 dcook Because the category_type variable wasn't being passed to the template
05:16 dcook I suppose instead of fixing it, we could scrap it...
05:17 eythian they definitely do work
05:17 eythian but, they always used a slightly odd method
05:18 dcook Odd indeed
05:21 bag eythian: what did you think of the hobbit?
05:21 bag movie that is
05:21 bag :P
05:21 eythian It was pretty good, I thought
05:22 druthb o/
05:23 druthb    #oddest things end up in my Facebook timeline...
05:24 bag I thought that radagast was too much, and the white orc…
05:24 bag heya druthb
05:25 bag besides that I liked it…  I thought PJ did change the burning trees part a little more than my imagination had built it
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05:31 eythian yeah, there were bits I thought were a bit much, and it could have been a fair bit shorter.
05:32 dcook But then how could you get a proper PJ triology? :p
05:32 dcook trilogy*
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05:37 eythian go to bed, cait
05:38 bag I'm still excited to see the next one though
05:39 eythian you have a while to wait :)
05:42 magnuse wtf? another 25 cm of snow during the night?
05:42 * magnuse waves resignedly
05:43 cait eythian: i think my boss wouldn't like that
05:43 cait morning all
05:43 eythian I wouldn't tell
05:45 dcook morning, cait
05:46 bag hey cait
05:46 cait eythian: thx, but I still better get ready for work :)
05:49 eythian > Staff
05:49 eythian > Patrons within the staff category will have access to the staff client.
05:49 eythian that's not quite right...
05:50 cait if you give them permissions...
05:51 dcook[…]ock/noscript.html
05:51 dcook Garrr
05:51 eythian yeah, but AIUI, the category has no bearing on it at all
05:51 cait there was more about ti
05:52 cait hm
05:52 cait but probably not much left in the coe by now
05:55 dcook To clarify the "Garrr", it's the limit of elements that can contain noscript tags...
05:55 dcook 24 bugs? That doesn't sound right...
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06:19 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
06:23 dcook At least it's not snowing?
06:26 bag @wunder 93102
06:26 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 13.0°C (11:22 PM PDT on April 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Rising). High Wind Warning in effect until 6 am PDT Tuesday...
06:26 bag yeah the wind last night was CRAZY…  it was blowing through the palm trees - and it sounded like jet engines
06:26 bag I heard it got up to 130 mph just a little bit down the coast from us
06:26 dcook O_O
06:27 dcook We have a mango tree in our back yard, so any time the wind started up in the summer, we would hear some fairly regular "thumps" on the roof
06:27 bag HA
06:27 dcook A bit disconcerting the first few times until we figured it out ;)
06:27 dcook 130 mph?
06:27 dcook Sweet jesus...
06:27 cait dcook: no snow - quite spring like even with sun
06:28 dcook cait :)
06:28 bag yeah 130 mph
06:28 dcook What sort of damage happened?
06:28 bag our table umbrella was in the neighbors yard when we woke up
06:29 bag lots of trees down and palm fronds all over the place
06:29 bag but not a single palm tree was knocked down - those things are awesome in the wind
06:29 dcook Wow...that is rather remarkable
06:29 * dcook is pretty impressed by the palm tree in his front yard
06:30 dcook The thing practically lords over the rest of the yard
06:30 dcook At 130mph, I imagine houses must've had a rather rough go...
06:30 bag I think that's gusts
06:31 bag and it was a spot on the coast where there isn't really much to slow it down at all
06:31 bag around us about 20 miles north - we had some big gusts maybe about 80 or so - but nothing insane for damage - besides trees down...
06:31 dcook Ahhh, ok
06:31 bag but honestly I don't know or heard about major house damage
06:32 dcook When I was a kid, some of the stories were unreal
06:32 bag but the sound of the wind through the palm trees sounded like jet engines
06:32 bag and my car was blown around on the ride to work
06:32 dcook A town about an hour away from mine...street signs were bent in half by the wind
06:32 dcook Eeep!
06:32 bag the park I drive by everyday - there sign was gone
06:32 bag blew into the ocean
06:33 dcook Hope the environment never gets too angry at us...
06:33 dcook Or Nausicaa is going to look like a picnic in the park
06:34 bag ha
06:34 bag I think they have famous named winds here?  like Santa Ana winds or something like that
06:34 bag @google santa ana winds
06:34 huginn bag: Santa Ana winds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Santa Anas: <>; The Santa Ana Winds | San Diego History Center: <[…]january/santa.htm>; Santa Ana Winds FC!: <>; The Santa Ana Winds: <[…]her/mm5/SantaAna/>; (1 more message)
06:35 bag don't know if those last night were that
06:36 dcook Sounds rather intense in any case!
06:37 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
06:37 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
06:38 dcook I had forgotten what blue skies looked like
06:39 BobB will this be your first winter here dcook?
06:40 bag heya BobB
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06:40 BobB heya bag
06:40 bag how's everything with you?
06:40 cait hi BobB :)
06:40 BobB ahh pretty busy
06:40 BobB hi cait
06:40 dcook hey, BobB. It'll be my first full winter, I think. I was here through to mid-August last year.
06:40 bag good and bad I guess :P
06:41 BobB its not really winter.  I call it Not_Summer
06:41 dcook hehe
06:41 BobB We have two seasons: summer and not summer
06:41 bag hey BobB are you and irma thinking about coming to Reno for kohacon?
06:41 BobB April and October are transition months
06:41 BobB Yes we're thinking about it.
06:41 bag good good :)
06:42 BobB I have to come to the States in June for business, so its not certain we'll be back in October ..
06:42 bag if you are thinking of traveling afterwards - let me know - you both always have a spot to crash in Santa Barbara if you want to
06:42 BobB ... at least not both of us,
06:42 BobB but we'd sure like to
06:43 BobB Wow, very nice.  Irma asks if you have a cat?  (She likes cats.)
06:43 bag we have a dog
06:43 BobB Ahh, dogs are ok too.
06:43 bag but he doesn't shed
06:43 BobB At least they react.  They are warm.
06:43 bag and he's super polite
06:44 BobB There's a saying, dogs have masters, cats have staff!
06:44 BobB Santa Barbara is not LA eh?
06:44 BobB Its north of?
06:44 bag the real attraction is Sonja (wicked nice and sweet) and Ginny
06:44 BobB lol
06:45 bag it's a little north about an hour and half by car
06:45 bag of LA
06:45 shalom anyone can help me on my KOHA acquisition issue here?
06:45 bag BobB:[…]7M7Q?feature=mhee
06:45 BobB I have to go to Las Vegas.  There is almost nowhere I want to go less.
06:45 bag oh man Vegas…
06:46 bag that's about a 6 hour drive from here
06:46 bag but if you've got a fast car - 4.5 hours
06:46 BobB Just gorgeous.  Love the hat!
06:46 cait shalom: normally just ask your question and someone will if they have an idea
06:47 shalom i have set AcqCreateItem at receiving an order, create ACQ framework, set 952 subfield 7
06:47 BobB anyway, chance to do Las Vegas and Reno in the same year.  Why not?
06:47 dcook Gotta jet early today folks. Take care!
06:48 shalom but i can only get a blank box under the item label
06:48 BobB what browser are you using?
06:48 shalom ie
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06:49 BobB Well, depending on the version, that could be the issue.
06:49 BobB Do you have Firefox?
06:49 reiveune hello
06:50 BobB hi reiveune
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06:50 cait shalom: do you only have 7 in your ACQ framewrk?
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06:51 shalom got it! thanks! i tried google chrome
06:51 cait shalom: you shoudl have a complete 952 with all subfiels and set some to hidden if you don't want to show them
06:51 cait ah :)
06:51 cait BobB++
06:51 BobB :)
06:51 shalom thanks!!!
06:52 shalom :*
06:52 BobB yeah, in the staff client especially, its better to use Firefox or Chrome
06:52 shalom heehee, i've been looking up and down for a solution for months!!!!
06:52 cait bbl :)
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06:53 shalom i'm so happy!!! thank you very much!!!
06:53 christophe_c hello
06:53 * BobB returns to his work
06:54 bag all in a days work for BobB
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07:16 * magnuse waves
07:16 bag heya magnuse
07:16 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
07:17 magnuse at least bug #10000 has now been added, but not while i was making pizza
07:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10000 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modu​les/help/tools/ sliip
07:18 magnuse and hi bag
07:19 magnuse wow, 130 mph = ~210 km/hour
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07:20 magnuse ooh, 3.10 in colombia!
07:21 bag yeah magnuse intense
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07:23 magnuse i experienced 200+ km/hour once, in greenland
07:24 magnuse we were supposed to fly home thenext day, and the first leg of the trip was by helicopter, but the wind was so strong against us that the helicopter got nowhere
07:24 bag oh man
07:25 kf wow
07:26 magnuse it was just shaking like crazy...
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07:30 kf just...
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07:35 gaetan_B hello
07:35 bag hey gaetan_B
07:35 wahanui well, gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons
07:35 kf hi gaetan_B - travelling?
07:41 bag alright night all
07:42 bag sleep well or enjoy the day you are starting
07:42 kf thx bag, sleep well
07:43 magnuse thanks bag - sleep tight!
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08:03 gaetan_B hi bag, kf, not yet ;) getting ready to leave in a few hours now !
08:04 kf :)
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08:16 Dalian1 Hi, we started implementing Koha system and I don't know where to modify or add information in order to have two languages for OPAC and library staff interfaces. Can someone help me with this ?
08:17 kf install additional languages?
08:17 kf hm one second
08:18 Dalian1 plus English I want to have another language
08:19 Dalian1 from where ? I checked quickly the User Manuel but no clue about this issue.
08:20 kf[…]ANET_staff_client
08:20 kf you need to run a script on command line to install the language
08:20 kf then you can activate it in the system preferences
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08:33 Dalian1 Great. I will try this thanks for your prompt reply.
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09:01 vfernandes hi :)
09:03 vfernandes two questions people
09:04 vfernandes 1 - Its possible to charge a patron on the first overdue day, and then after 5 days, 10 days, 15 days (charge with a interval of 5 days)?
09:04 kf vfernandes: difficult question
09:05 kf currently not, because when you give grace 0 with interval 5
09:05 kf it will charge the first time after 5 days (implicit grace period)
09:05 kf but it might work better in 3.12 with the new pref kyle did
09:05 kf I didn't have a chance to take a look at that yet tho
09:05 vfernandes so isn't possible...
09:05 kf look at bug 9768
09:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9768 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Problem with grace period calculation and fine intervals >1
09:06 vfernandes ok thanks...
09:07 vfernandes the only way I see to workaround the problem is to charge after 5 days and then create a manual invoce
09:10 kf vfernandes:  not sure I understand you
09:11 kf the problem in your description is the charge the day after overdue
09:11 vfernandes yes...
09:11 kf that only works with fine interval 1
09:11 vfernandes don't worry kf... I already let know the client that isn't possible
09:12 vfernandes :)
09:12 kf oh ok
09:13 vfernandes sometimes we need to say "NO" to the clients.... ehehe
09:13 kf yeah... I am known to be not too good at that :)
09:15 vfernandes second question (tricky one)
09:16 vfernandes i'm doing a update from 2.2.8 to 3.0.... everything worked fine with biblio, but with authorities not, because script is only for UNIMARC
09:16 vfernandes so I need to change the script
09:17 vfernandes in UNIMARC field 100 and 152 (type of authority) is filled automatically by the script, in MARC21 which should be the default fields?
09:21 kf hm not sure really
09:21 kf i am not sure what it does and what the fields in unimarc are
09:23 vfernandes UNIMARC field 100 - Geral processing data
09:23 vfernandes UNIMARC field 152 - Rules (normally to insert the authority type)
09:36 kf sorry, I don't knwo how that works
09:54 vfernandes the problem is that only works to UNIMARC
10:07 * gaetan_B is off to Kurdistan! bye!
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11:12 kf @wunder Konstanz
11:12 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0°C (1:00 PM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa (Falling).
11:12 kf from sun to rain...
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11:38 magnuse bonjour khall
11:38 magnuse @wunder boo
11:38 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (1:20 PM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
11:38 khall good morning magnuse!
11:38 magnuse :-)
11:41 magnuse cool, one of my customers started using "quote of the day" 1.5 days after being upgraded to 3.10.x :-)
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12:08 drojf good day #koha
12:11 magnuse moin drojf
12:11 drojf hei magnuse
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12:19 oleonard Hi #koha
12:20 magnuse hiya oleonard
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12:22 drojf hi oleonard
12:23 magnuse hiya Viktor
12:26 Viktor Hi magnuse
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12:28 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software Next general IRC meeting 7 May 2013 at 02:00 UTC
12:28 * kf waves
12:28 kf oleonard: did you see my comment?
12:29 oleonard Where?
12:29 kf I passed qa on the circ datatables
12:29 kf and I noticed that I was testing it wrong all the time :(
12:29 kf the date sorting problem is on the details tab
12:29 oleonard Oh yes I did see that
12:29 oleonard And there is already a bug report for the details tab sort
12:29 kf wonderful :)
12:31 oleonard kf: I'm going to set Bug 9905 back to "signed off" so that you can test it again with 9887 applied. Is that okay?
12:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on calendar page
12:31 kf oleonard: of course :)
12:32 kf you can leave a note too: test with 9887 stupid ;)
12:32 kf oleonard: can I get some native speaker advice too?
12:32 oleonard Sure
12:32 kf serials subscriptions or serial subscriptions?
12:33 oleonard I think serials, but get another opinion too. jcamins maybe?
12:33 oleonard Or nengard?
12:33 wahanui i guess nengard is fast
12:33 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "can anyone tell me why each line is duplicated in this report? I want overdues with the fines owed" (14 lines) at
12:33 nengard (actually if we're doing wishlist - I want overdues with fines owed more than $100 total)
12:34 nengard I missed the discussion .. .what can I help with ... reading back
12:34 kf one sec
12:34 kf uploading screenshot
12:35 kf serials subscriptions or serial subscriptions? :)
12:35 kf and also, the first tab - Ithink should be open? (not past?)
12:36 nengard Hmmm
12:36 nengard I think it could go both ways
12:36 nengard I'm okay with it staying the way it is
12:37 kf which one?
12:37 kf both?
12:37 wahanui both are doing fine
12:38 nengard Serials Subscriptions
12:38 nengard it can stay that way - but Serial Subscriptions is also right - that's why I said it could go both ways
12:38 kf ok
12:38 kf what about opened?
12:38 nengard No, that should be 'Open'
12:39 kf hm ok
12:39 nengard They are currently Open
12:39 kf yeah, that's what I was thinking
12:39 kf I will file a tiny bug
12:40 nengard kf do you have any suggestions for my report question above? It got lost in this discussion
12:40 kf i took a look at it
12:40 kf but I am not seeing it
12:41 kf i mean the probem
12:41 kf both lines are totally identical?
12:42 * kf is on a mission to file  bug 11000 for oleonard to fix ;)
12:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11000 was not found.
12:43 oleonard What, before Bug 7000?
12:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , show home and holding branch on staff search results
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12:48 tcohen morning #koha
12:49 tcohen hi magnuse
13:03 magnuse hiya tcohen
13:08 oleonard kf: 9887 is Passed QA?
13:08 magnuse bug 9887
13:08 wahanui i heard bug 9887 was relentless.
13:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page
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13:17 tcohen magnuse, did you get my answer for bug 10003
13:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide bash-completion
13:18 magnuse yup
13:18 magnuse very cool
13:18 magnuse i actually did not know you could do tab complete on command line switches...
13:19 tcohen ;)
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13:21 magnuse kia ora druthb and NateC
13:23 druthb kia ora magnuse
13:24 kf oleonard: shouldn't it be?
13:24 oleonard It's not marked as such
13:25 kf oleonard: ah, git bz playing games with me
13:25 kf i marked it from git bz - then I added the comment. sometimes the status pull down has the old value then and it gets changed
13:26 drojf does the -D parameter for build-git-snapshot have no effect or is that just me? when i put -D squeeze i get --force-distribution -D "squeeze-dev" anyway?
13:26 kf oleonard: sorry for 10001 - picked the wrong module
13:26 oleonard That's okay
13:26 kf hm but frederic is also wrong
13:26 kf shouldn't it be ruth now?
13:27 oleonard I don't know that druthb volunteered to be a default assignee in Bugzilla
13:27 kf oleonard: I was thinkig because of translations, but it's probably all ok
13:28 druthb I did, for I18N/L10N stuff.
13:28 magnuse drojf: i never tried -D, sorry
13:28 kf druthb: did you get 10.001?
13:28 druthb I've not gotten any email yet, no.
13:28 kf hm not sure who can change it, probably rangi
13:28 kf if you wanted to be default cc for i18n
13:30 kf oleonard: do I have to speak up for my keyboard one? you kept the icon in your patch on my request, not sure if you want to do a new patch
13:30 kf and talking about icons, sorry
13:30 kf bit too busy here :)
13:30 oleonard I don't want to do a new patch if I don't have to :)
13:30 drojf magnuse: i just changed the default values last time and forgot about it, but that does not seem like the straight forward way to do it ;)
13:30 kf oleonard: ok :)
13:41 drojf yay, harddisk full while building package. every. damn. time.
13:43 kf i guess 'don't build packages then' wuld not be a good advice
13:44 drojf no. "use your brain, use the right vm and don't collect so much garbage on your harddisk" might be a concept to follow. next time ;)
13:44 kf ok
13:44 kf I will make a note
13:45 drojf :)
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14:24 safealloys hi
14:25 safealloys hello
14:25 oleonard Hello safealloys
14:25 safealloys How is Koha so far addressing library needs?
14:25 oleonard Quite well thank you
14:26 safealloys Ok
14:26 safealloys can you share with me Advantages that a licensed software has over Koha?
14:26 safealloys and vice-versa
14:27 oleonard safealloys: I am not familiar with the features of proprietary library software, so I can't make any comparisons
14:28 safealloys What the advantages in Koha?
14:28 oleonard My fix for Bug 9957 has taken on some feature-creep:
14:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Missing cancel link on subfield editing page
14:28 safealloys What of the advantages in Koha?
14:29 safealloys What of the advantages in Koha over others?
14:30 safealloys are you there?
14:31 oleonard safealloys: I suggest you read about Koha at and in the Koha manual
14:31 oleonard manual?
14:31 wahanui hmmm... manual is at
14:31 safealloys Cant we chat?
14:33 oleonard If you have a specific question about Koha functionality I can try to answer
14:34 safealloys I want to download it here on my system
14:34 safealloys Laptop
14:37 oleonard Koha can be installed on Linux-based systems, and is best installed via packages on Debian or Ubuntu.
14:40 gmcharlt @quote random
14:40 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #179: "oleonard: Linux people are the ones who spend the longest pulling on the door that says push ;) "But pushing is /better/!"" (added by wizzyrea at 09:03 PM, January 10, 2012)
14:43 druthb @quote random
14:43 huginn druthb: Quote #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick password" (added by owen at 12:38 PM, April 29, 2010)
14:56 kf @quote random
14:56 huginn kf: Quote #177: "oleonard: If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep." (added by wizzyrea at 04:43 PM, January 10, 2012)
14:57 oleonard Am I the only one who talks around here? :P
14:57 drojf @quote random
14:57 huginn drojf: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with anew question????" (added by kf at 01:13 PM, June 12, 2009)
14:57 drojf nope
15:02 * druthb waves to oleonard and drojf'
15:02 drojf hi druthb
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15:16 oleonard I am going to go Hulk on the next patch I see without a test plan.
15:16 oleonard Bug status: HULK SMASHED.
15:19 * druthb tries to picture this, and fails.
15:20 oleonard Half of the 20 non-enhancement bugs awaiting signoff lack a test plan in the commit message.
15:20 druthb !
15:30 kf oleonard: note that on them :) in caps!
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15:39 jcamins kf: "Immer bereit" -- is that German?
15:40 jcamins It might be spelled wrong.
15:40 drojf are you asking if those are german words or if it makes sense?
15:40 kf heh
15:40 kf jcamins: always ready.
15:40 jcamins drojf: the former, but I'd also be interested to know if it makes sense.
15:41 kf and hello jcamins :)
15:41 jcamins Hello. :)
15:41 * kf is testing a brand new shiny package installed master installation right now
15:41 drojf depends on the context, but "allzeit bereit" might make more sense
15:41 kf and so far apart from some weird translations looks good
15:41 kf jcamins: do you need a translation?
15:42 jcamins drojf: it's transliterated from Russian.
15:42 kf oh
15:42 kf what#s the russian?
15:42 drojf ah
15:42 jcamins "Immer berait"
15:42 jcamins Which isn't at all Russian-looking, and I thought it looked German. :)
15:42 kf and always ready makes no sense?
15:42 kf yeah, it does
15:42 jcamins No, that makes perfect sense.
15:42 jcamins I just wasn't certain it was German, and I wanted to be sure before I wrote that it was. ;)
15:43 kf meh. patron category new button and authorized value new button are labelled the same
15:43 * kf ponders filing another tiny bu
15:43 kf g
15:43 jcamins kf: don't they just say "New"?
15:43 kf I am feeling very perfectionistic lately
15:43 kf New category for both
15:43 kf but I'd like to label one "neuer benutzertyp" and one "neue Kategorie"
15:43 jcamins Ah.
15:44 jcamins Eww.
15:44 * jcamins likes the word "benutzertyp."
15:50 kf ew
15:50 kf I found a bug
15:52 jcamins Another?!?
15:52 kf what?
15:52 kf you'd like better if we don't find them?
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15:53 cabusmichael Hi all
15:53 kf bug 10011
15:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Branch limitiations are not saved on creating a new patron category
15:53 cabusmichael I am a librarian interested in Koha, but we have a proprietary system
15:54 kf that can be changed ;)
15:54 cabusmichael I'm trying to find a way to connect with other librarians who have done it
15:54 cabusmichael is there a good forum I can use to find them/
15:54 cabusmichael ?
15:54 cabusmichael I want to know specifically about data conversion
15:54 oleonard mailing list?
15:54 kf where are you located?
15:54 wahanui mailing list is at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
15:54 kf yep and that
15:54 jcamins cabusmichael: the mailing list might be a good choice.
15:54 cabusmichael I'm in Philadelphia PA USA
15:54 kf also the wiki might be helpful to find libraries in your area
15:54 kf koha users?
15:54 reiveune bye
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15:54 kf wiki?
15:54 wahanui i heard wiki was
15:54 jcamins koha users worldwide?
15:54 jcamins international koha users?
15:55 kf Koha users is[…]a_Users_Worldwide
15:55 kf Koha users?
15:55 wahanui Koha users is, like,[…]a_Users_Worldwide
15:55 kf sorry cabusmichael - not to confuse you - only teaching the bot
15:55 cabusmichael Okay, I'll check the wiki...I've had it with SirsiDynix :)
15:55 kf also lib web cats maybe
15:55 jcamins cabusmichael: what type of library do you work for?
15:55 kf it should be albe to research for libraries that left sirsi for koha there
15:56 cabusmichael Academic
15:56 cabusmichael Small academic
15:56 jcamins Yeah, there've been a bunch of libraries that went Sirsi -> Koha.
15:56 druthb cabusmichael:   There have been a *bunch* of them, and I did migrations on quite a few.
15:56 jcamins libwebcats is a good idea.
15:56 cabusmichael Awesome...good to know...
15:57 cabusmichael A librarian here thinks the data conversion is impossible
15:57 cabusmichael But others must have done it
15:57 druthb They're dead wrong.
15:58 jcamins Conversion is perfectly doable.
15:58 druthb I've done it, a *lot*.  Serials and Acquisitions from SirsiDynix are a little hard, but the rest is *trivially* easy, once you have the know-how and tools.
15:58 cabusmichael Awesome...I'll do some research...
16:03 nengard hi cabusmichael>
16:04 nengard cabusmichael druthb is right (and she's the expert) it can totally be done and has been done a ton of times
16:05 nengard you might even look at lib-web-cats and do a search for libraries that switched from your product to Koha
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16:21 cabusmichael good idea; I really don't think it will cost 50K, which is what this person claimed :)
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16:32 druthb If you have SirsiDynix extract the data for you, you'll pay and pay and pay and pay—50K, plus your next child, an arm, three legs, and the pound of flesh nearest your heart.  But there are better—and cheaper—ways to do it.
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16:40 Dyrcona I missed the previous conversation. Which SirsiDynix product are we talking about?
16:40 * Dyrcona has experience extracting data from Horizon.
16:40 jcamins Dyrcona: I think all SD products lead to misery and attempts at extortion.
16:41 jcamins ;)
16:41 Dyrcona jcamins: Horizon is simple to get data out of because you have the database right there in either Sybase or MS SQLServer.
16:44 * Dyrcona has shared some sample code via git for migrating from Horizon to Evergreen. I'll post the URL is anyone asks to look at it.
16:45 Dyrcona I don't thing it would be simple to translate it to Koha, but the code to pull data from Horizon would likely not change.
16:47 kf is printcirculationslips deprecated?
16:51 oleonard Looks to me like it is
16:52 kf sorry for filing so many bugs, but I have some time to spend on testing :)
16:52 kf and i feel better if all werid things I find are documented somewhere
16:53 oleonard Nobody is going to complain about new bug reports
16:53 * jcamins might. :P
16:53 kf jcamins: feel free to 3.14 them :)
16:55 kf bug 10015 *hide*
16:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10015 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , UniqueItemFields could have link to database documentation
16:57 oleonard jcamins: You're too young to be a curmudgeon
16:57 kf curmudgeon?
16:57 oleonard A grumpy person who complains about things
16:57 kf ah... that might be too late to tell him *hides again*
16:59 jcamins Definitely too late.
17:01 oleonard Being RM leads to early curmudgeonation.
17:02 jcamins Yup.
17:02 kf we should add that quote
17:02 kf I can't identify... suffering from nick-shortedness
17:03 * jcamins can't identify because huginn says I don't know my password.
17:04 kf heh
17:04 * kf leaves :)
17:04 kf bye all!
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17:18 tcohen oleonard, could u take a look at this?
17:18 tcohen
17:18 tcohen below the submit button, the line is longer if on check out tab
17:18 tcohen it might be fixed already, using weekly packages for testing
17:19 oleonard No, that's how it looks in master
17:20 oleonard When autocomplete is turned on that field has a fixed width, but I'm not sure it's necessary with jQueryUI. It might be a relic of YUI
17:20 tcohen besides that, everyone is delighted on how 3.12 looks !
17:21 jcamins What am I looking at?
17:21 jcamins Oh.
17:21 jcamins I see.
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17:33 tcohen oleonard: i think i don't have autocomplete on
17:36 tcohen nope, u where right
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17:49 tcohen jcamins, eythian, will we have fresher packages any time soon?
17:49 jcamins tcohen: whenever eythian builds them.
17:59 * cait waves
17:59 druthb hi, cait!
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18:05 cait jcamins: do you want the new patch for ccsr ona new bug? (bug 8061 rtl languages)
18:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8061 major, P1 - high, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Koha's templates do not cope well with right-to-left languages
18:05 jcamins cait: new bug, probably.
18:05 jcamins Yeah.
18:05 jcamins New bug.
18:08 cait ok
18:08 cait told him
18:21 bgkriegel hi cait, I just wrote to him and told that
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18:40 cait bgkriegel: ah, he had mailed me :)
18:40 cait but it won't hurt :)
18:40 bgkriegel no :) He added Bug 10017
18:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10017 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Needs Signoff , Opac CCSR template do not cope well with right-to-left languages
18:41 cait :)
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18:55 another_peter Joubu: the enhancement patch that you have put on bug 6506 after QAing my patch seems to stand alone - wouldn't it be better as another bug?
18:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Failed QA , deleting patron history missing errors
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19:11 another_peter in the OPAC, what is the conventional class to use for an error?
19:11 another_peter koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules$ grep -ri error * | grep -i class
19:11 another_peter reveals a horrible mixture of classes
19:12 oleonard The error box is made with <div class="dialog alert"></div>
19:13 another_peter oleonard: thanks
19:14 another_peter it is worth raising a bug for the fact that uses the non-existent "dialog error" class?
19:15 oleonard Yes, unless you're already fixing something on that page
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19:30 another_peter when I have a patch that has failed QA, do I submit a second patch, or amend the first one? The second one just changes a string.
19:30 cait oleonard++ :)
19:30 cait thank you! :)
19:30 jcamins another_peter: if the first patch was signed off, submit a follow-up.
19:32 another_peter jcamins: thanks.
19:42 cait @karma oleonard
19:42 huginn cait: Karma for "oleonard" has been increased 669 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 664.
19:42 cait :)
19:42 cait @karma
19:42 huginn cait: Highest karma: "rangi" (773), "oleonard" (664), and "jcamins" (537).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-102), and "-" (-69).  You (cait) are ranked 5 out of 2453.
19:42 oleonard Decreased 5 times?!
19:42 * oleonard shakes his fist
19:43 * cait shakes her fist too
19:43 oleonard :)
19:44 oleonard Bug 10002 is interesting... I don't think it's possible to trigger the error message in question.
19:44 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10002 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Don't include line breaks in strings that are translated
19:45 oleonard "X hold(s) for this record. Are you sure you want to delete this record?" You can't delete a record with items, and you can't delete all items on a record with holds.
19:45 oleonard Maybe through item edit...
19:46 cait not sure - but the translation didn't look right :)
19:46 oleonard Oh yeah doesn't care!
19:46 jcamins cait: I need German help: "Merz 2: Nummer i" <-- is that German? And what does it mean if it is?
19:46 cait hm
19:46 cait maybe
19:46 cait March 2
19:47 cait Number i (or roman 1?)
19:47 jcamins It's the letter 'i'.
19:47 jcamins It's a funny pun, apparently.
19:47 cait hm
19:47 jcamins Every single word includes the letter 'i'.
19:47 cait ah
19:47 cait well
19:48 cait don't know what you have there :)
19:48 jcamins Something Dada. :P
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19:55 cait oleonard: are you going to fix all my bugs? :)
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19:56 oleonard Yes. ALL OF THEM!
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20:00 oleonard Bye #koha
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20:15 cait oh now I missed oleonard's departure :(
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20:34 * wizzyrea wave
20:36 jcamins My favorite type! :)
20:37 wizzyrea how is everyone today?
20:37 cait your favourite type?
20:44 jcamins cait: of wave. :)
20:47 druthb Hi, wizzyrea!
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20:47 * druthb does the Wave.
20:48 cait *wave*
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21:40 wizzyrea very quiet.
21:48 talljoy o/ druthb
21:49 talljoy guess i missed her.....silly internet connection
21:53 eythian hi
21:53 eythian google shut down wave, just so you know.
21:54 * wizzyrea yawns
21:54 wizzyrea google what?
21:54 wahanui google is, like, not a web browser, it's a search engine company
21:58 eythian no wahanui, google is not a web browser, it's an advertising company with a pretty good search engine.
21:58 wahanui okay, eythian.
21:58 wizzyrea also, people actually used wave?
21:58 eythian I sis
21:58 eythian did
21:58 wizzyrea i used it for 15 minutes
21:58 wizzyrea one time.
21:58 eythian it was pretty cool, but didn't have a really strong use case
21:58 wizzyrea what did you use it for?
21:58 wizzyrea hah
21:58 eythian I used it to manage a project I was doing once, to see how well it would work
21:58 wizzyrea that was my feeling about it after 15 minutes.
21:58 eythian it did that reasonably well
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22:16 cait night all :)
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