Time Nick Message 23:27 dcook morning #koha 22:16 cait night all :) 21:58 eythian it did that reasonably well 21:58 wizzyrea that was my feeling about it after 15 minutes. 21:58 eythian I used it to manage a project I was doing once, to see how well it would work 21:58 wizzyrea hah 21:58 wizzyrea what did you use it for? 21:58 eythian it was pretty cool, but didn't have a really strong use case 21:58 wizzyrea one time. 21:58 wizzyrea i used it for 15 minutes 21:58 eythian did 21:58 eythian I sis 21:58 wizzyrea also, people actually used wave? 21:58 wahanui okay, eythian. 21:58 eythian no wahanui, google is not a web browser, it's an advertising company with a pretty good search engine. 21:54 wahanui google is, like, not a web browser, it's a search engine company 21:54 wizzyrea google what? 21:54 * wizzyrea yawns 21:53 eythian google shut down wave, just so you know. 21:53 eythian hi 21:49 talljoy guess i missed her.....silly internet connection 21:48 talljoy o/ druthb 21:40 wizzyrea very quiet. 20:48 cait *wave* 20:47 * druthb does the Wave. 20:47 druthb Hi, wizzyrea! 20:44 jcamins cait: of wave. :) 20:37 cait your favourite type? 20:37 wizzyrea how is everyone today? 20:36 jcamins My favorite type! :) 20:34 * wizzyrea wave 20:15 cait oh now I missed oleonard's departure :( 20:00 oleonard Bye #koha 19:56 oleonard Yes. ALL OF THEM! 19:55 cait oleonard: are you going to fix all my bugs? :) 19:48 jcamins Something Dada. :P 19:48 cait don't know what you have there :) 19:47 cait well 19:47 cait ah 19:47 jcamins Every single word includes the letter 'i'. 19:47 cait hm 19:47 jcamins It's a funny pun, apparently. 19:47 jcamins It's the letter 'i'. 19:47 cait Number i (or roman 1?) 19:46 cait March 2 19:46 cait maybe 19:46 cait hm 19:46 jcamins cait: I need German help: "Merz 2: Nummer i" <-- is that German? And what does it mean if it is? 19:46 oleonard Oh yeah additem.pl doesn't care! 19:46 cait not sure - but the translation didn't look right :) 19:45 oleonard Maybe through item edit... 19:45 oleonard "X hold(s) for this record. Are you sure you want to delete this record?" You can't delete a record with items, and you can't delete all items on a record with holds. 19:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10002 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Don't include line breaks in strings that are translated 19:44 oleonard Bug 10002 is interesting... I don't think it's possible to trigger the error message in question. 19:43 oleonard :) 19:43 * cait shakes her fist too 19:42 * oleonard shakes his fist 19:42 oleonard Decreased 5 times?! 19:42 huginn cait: Highest karma: "rangi" (773), "oleonard" (664), and "jcamins" (537). Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-102), and "-" (-69). You (cait) are ranked 5 out of 2453. 19:42 cait @karma 19:42 cait :) 19:42 huginn cait: Karma for "oleonard" has been increased 669 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 664. 19:42 cait @karma oleonard 19:32 another_peter jcamins: thanks. 19:30 jcamins another_peter: if the first patch was signed off, submit a follow-up. 19:30 cait thank you! :) 19:30 cait oleonard++ :) 19:30 another_peter when I have a patch that has failed QA, do I submit a second patch, or amend the first one? The second one just changes a string. 19:15 oleonard Yes, unless you're already fixing something on that page 19:14 another_peter it is worth raising a bug for the fact that opac-passwd.tt uses the non-existent "dialog error" class? 19:13 another_peter oleonard: thanks 19:12 oleonard The error box is made with <div class="dialog alert"></div> 19:11 another_peter reveals a horrible mixture of classes 19:11 another_peter koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules$ grep -ri error * | grep -i class 19:11 another_peter in the OPAC, what is the conventional class to use for an error? 18:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Failed QA , deleting patron history missing errors 18:55 another_peter Joubu: the enhancement patch that you have put on bug 6506 after QAing my patch seems to stand alone - wouldn't it be better as another bug? 18:41 cait :) 18:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10017 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Needs Signoff , Opac CCSR template do not cope well with right-to-left languages 18:40 bgkriegel no :) He added Bug 10017 18:40 cait but it won't hurt :) 18:40 cait bgkriegel: ah, he had mailed me :) 18:21 bgkriegel hi cait, I just wrote to him and told that 18:08 cait told him 18:08 cait ok 18:05 jcamins New bug. 18:05 jcamins Yeah. 18:05 jcamins cait: new bug, probably. 18:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8061 major, P1 - high, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Koha's templates do not cope well with right-to-left languages 18:05 cait jcamins: do you want the new patch for ccsr ona new bug? (bug 8061 rtl languages) 17:59 druthb hi, cait! 17:59 * cait waves 17:49 jcamins tcohen: whenever eythian builds them. 17:49 tcohen jcamins, eythian, will we have fresher packages any time soon? 17:36 tcohen nope, u where right 17:33 tcohen oleonard: i think i don't have autocomplete on 17:21 jcamins I see. 17:21 jcamins Oh. 17:21 jcamins What am I looking at? 17:20 tcohen besides that, everyone is delighted on how 3.12 looks ! 17:20 oleonard When autocomplete is turned on that field has a fixed width, but I'm not sure it's necessary with jQueryUI. It might be a relic of YUI 17:19 oleonard No, that's how it looks in master 17:18 tcohen it might be fixed already, using weekly packages for testing 17:18 tcohen below the submit button, the line is longer if on check out tab 17:18 tcohen http://snag.gy/LonUk.jpg 17:18 tcohen oleonard, could u take a look at this? 17:04 kf bye all! 17:04 * kf leaves :) 17:04 kf heh 17:03 * jcamins can't identify because huginn says I don't know my password. 17:02 kf I can't identify... suffering from nick-shortedness 17:02 kf we should add that quote 17:02 jcamins Yup. 17:01 oleonard Being RM leads to early curmudgeonation. 16:59 jcamins Definitely too late. 16:57 kf ah... that might be too late to tell him *hides again* 16:57 oleonard A grumpy person who complains about things 16:57 kf curmudgeon? 16:57 oleonard jcamins: You're too young to be a curmudgeon 16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10015 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , UniqueItemFields could have link to database documentation 16:55 kf bug 10015 *hide* 16:53 kf jcamins: feel free to 3.14 them :) 16:53 * jcamins might. :P 16:53 oleonard Nobody is going to complain about new bug reports 16:52 kf and i feel better if all werid things I find are documented somewhere 16:52 kf sorry for filing so many bugs, but I have some time to spend on testing :) 16:51 oleonard Looks to me like it is 16:47 kf is printcirculationslips deprecated? 16:45 Dyrcona I don't thing it would be simple to translate it to Koha, but the code to pull data from Horizon would likely not change. 16:44 * Dyrcona has shared some sample code via git for migrating from Horizon to Evergreen. I'll post the URL is anyone asks to look at it. 16:41 Dyrcona jcamins: Horizon is simple to get data out of because you have the database right there in either Sybase or MS SQLServer. 16:41 jcamins ;) 16:40 jcamins Dyrcona: I think all SD products lead to misery and attempts at extortion. 16:40 * Dyrcona has experience extracting data from Horizon. 16:40 Dyrcona I missed the previous conversation. Which SirsiDynix product are we talking about? 16:32 druthb If you have SirsiDynix extract the data for you, you'll pay and pay and pay and pay—50K, plus your next child, an arm, three legs, and the pound of flesh nearest your heart. But there are better—and cheaper—ways to do it. 16:21 cabusmichael good idea; I really don't think it will cost 50K, which is what this person claimed :) 16:05 nengard you might even look at lib-web-cats and do a search for libraries that switched from your product to Koha 16:04 nengard cabusmichael druthb is right (and she's the expert) it can totally be done and has been done a ton of times 16:03 nengard hi cabusmichael> 15:58 cabusmichael Awesome...I'll do some research... 15:58 druthb I've done it, a *lot*. Serials and Acquisitions from SirsiDynix are a little hard, but the rest is *trivially* easy, once you have the know-how and tools. 15:58 jcamins Conversion is perfectly doable. 15:57 druthb They're dead wrong. 15:57 cabusmichael But others must have done it 15:57 cabusmichael A librarian here thinks the data conversion is impossible 15:56 cabusmichael Awesome...good to know... 15:56 jcamins libwebcats is a good idea. 15:56 druthb cabusmichael: There have been a *bunch* of them, and I did migrations on quite a few. 15:56 jcamins Yeah, there've been a bunch of libraries that went Sirsi -> Koha. 15:56 cabusmichael Small academic 15:56 cabusmichael Academic 15:55 kf it should be albe to research for libraries that left sirsi for koha there 15:55 jcamins cabusmichael: what type of library do you work for? 15:55 kf also lib web cats maybe 15:55 cabusmichael Okay, I'll check the wiki...I've had it with SirsiDynix :) 15:55 kf sorry cabusmichael - not to confuse you - only teaching the bot 15:55 wahanui Koha users is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide 15:55 kf Koha users? 15:55 kf Koha users is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide 15:54 jcamins international koha users? 15:54 jcamins koha users worldwide? 15:54 wahanui i heard wiki was http://wiki.koha-community.org 15:54 kf wiki? 15:54 reiveune bye 15:54 kf koha users? 15:54 kf also the wiki might be helpful to find libraries in your area 15:54 cabusmichael I'm in Philadelphia PA USA 15:54 jcamins cabusmichael: the mailing list might be a good choice. 15:54 kf yep and that 15:54 wahanui mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 15:54 kf where are you located? 15:54 oleonard mailing list? 15:54 cabusmichael I want to know specifically about data conversion 15:54 cabusmichael ? 15:54 cabusmichael is there a good forum I can use to find them/ 15:54 cabusmichael I'm trying to find a way to connect with other librarians who have done it 15:54 kf that can be changed ;) 15:53 cabusmichael I am a librarian interested in Koha, but we have a proprietary system 15:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Branch limitiations are not saved on creating a new patron category 15:53 kf bug 10011 15:53 cabusmichael Hi all 15:52 kf you'd like better if we don't find them? 15:52 kf what? 15:52 jcamins Another?!? 15:50 kf I found a bug 15:50 kf ew 15:44 * jcamins likes the word "benutzertyp." 15:44 jcamins Eww. 15:43 jcamins Ah. 15:43 kf but I'd like to label one "neuer benutzertyp" and one "neue Kategorie" 15:43 kf New category for both 15:43 kf I am feeling very perfectionistic lately 15:43 jcamins kf: don't they just say "New"? 15:43 kf g 15:43 * kf ponders filing another tiny bu 15:43 kf meh. patron category new button and authorized value new button are labelled the same 15:42 jcamins I just wasn't certain it was German, and I wanted to be sure before I wrote that it was. ;) 15:42 jcamins No, that makes perfect sense. 15:42 kf yeah, it does 15:42 kf and always ready makes no sense? 15:42 jcamins Which isn't at all Russian-looking, and I thought it looked German. :) 15:42 jcamins "Immer berait" 15:42 drojf ah 15:42 kf what#s the russian? 15:42 kf oh 15:42 jcamins drojf: it's transliterated from Russian. 15:41 kf jcamins: do you need a translation? 15:41 kf and so far apart from some weird translations looks good 15:41 drojf depends on the context, but "allzeit bereit" might make more sense 15:41 * kf is testing a brand new shiny package installed master installation right now 15:41 jcamins Hello. :) 15:41 kf and hello jcamins :) 15:40 jcamins drojf: the former, but I'd also be interested to know if it makes sense. 15:40 kf jcamins: always ready. 15:40 kf heh 15:40 drojf are you asking if those are german words or if it makes sense? 15:40 jcamins It might be spelled wrong. 15:39 jcamins kf: "Immer bereit" -- is that German? 15:30 kf oleonard: note that on them :) in caps! 15:20 druthb ! 15:20 oleonard Half of the 20 non-enhancement bugs awaiting signoff lack a test plan in the commit message. 15:19 * druthb tries to picture this, and fails. 15:16 oleonard Bug status: HULK SMASHED. 15:16 oleonard I am going to go Hulk on the next patch I see without a test plan. 15:02 drojf hi druthb 15:02 * druthb waves to oleonard and drojf' 14:57 drojf nope 14:57 huginn drojf: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with anew question????" (added by kf at 01:13 PM, June 12, 2009) 14:57 drojf @quote random 14:57 oleonard Am I the only one who talks around here? :P 14:56 huginn kf: Quote #177: "oleonard: If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep." (added by wizzyrea at 04:43 PM, January 10, 2012) 14:56 kf @quote random 14:43 huginn druthb: Quote #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick password" (added by owen at 12:38 PM, April 29, 2010) 14:43 druthb @quote random 14:40 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #179: "oleonard: Linux people are the ones who spend the longest pulling on the door that says push ;) "But pushing is /better/!"" (added by wizzyrea at 09:03 PM, January 10, 2012) 14:40 gmcharlt @quote random 14:37 oleonard Koha can be installed on Linux-based systems, and is best installed via packages on Debian or Ubuntu. 14:34 safealloys Laptop 14:34 safealloys I want to download it here on my system 14:33 oleonard If you have a specific question about Koha functionality I can try to answer 14:31 safealloys Cant we chat? 14:31 wahanui hmmm... manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 14:31 oleonard manual? 14:31 oleonard safealloys: I suggest you read about Koha at http://koha-community.org/ and in the Koha manual 14:30 safealloys are you there? 14:29 safealloys What of the advantages in Koha over others? 14:28 safealloys What of the advantages in Koha? 14:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Missing cancel link on subfield editing page 14:28 oleonard My fix for Bug 9957 has taken on some feature-creep: http://screencast.com/t/Oswi2iiCpf 14:28 safealloys What the advantages in Koha? 14:27 oleonard safealloys: I am not familiar with the features of proprietary library software, so I can't make any comparisons 14:26 safealloys and vice-versa 14:26 safealloys can you share with me Advantages that a licensed software has over Koha? 14:26 safealloys Ok 14:25 oleonard Quite well thank you 14:25 safealloys How is Koha so far addressing library needs? 14:25 oleonard Hello safealloys 14:25 safealloys hello 14:24 safealloys hi 13:45 drojf :) 13:44 kf I will make a note 13:44 kf ok 13:44 drojf no. "use your brain, use the right vm and don't collect so much garbage on your harddisk" might be a concept to follow. next time ;) 13:43 kf i guess 'don't build packages then' wuld not be a good advice 13:41 drojf yay, harddisk full while building package. every. damn. time. 13:30 kf oleonard: ok :) 13:30 drojf magnuse: i just changed the default values last time and forgot about it, but that does not seem like the straight forward way to do it ;) 13:30 oleonard I don't want to do a new patch if I don't have to :) 13:30 kf bit too busy here :) 13:30 kf and talking about icons, sorry 13:30 kf oleonard: do I have to speak up for my keyboard one? you kept the icon in your patch on my request, not sure if you want to do a new patch 13:28 kf if you wanted to be default cc for i18n 13:28 kf hm not sure who can change it, probably rangi 13:28 druthb I've not gotten any email yet, no. 13:28 kf druthb: did you get 10.001? 13:28 magnuse drojf: i never tried -D, sorry 13:28 druthb I did, for I18N/L10N stuff. 13:27 kf oleonard: I was thinkig because of translations, but it's probably all ok 13:27 oleonard I don't know that druthb volunteered to be a default assignee in Bugzilla 13:26 kf shouldn't it be ruth now? 13:26 kf hm but frederic is also wrong 13:26 oleonard That's okay 13:26 kf oleonard: sorry for 10001 - picked the wrong module 13:26 drojf does the -D parameter for build-git-snapshot have no effect or is that just me? when i put -D squeeze i get --force-distribution -D "squeeze-dev" anyway? 13:25 kf i marked it from git bz - then I added the comment. sometimes the status pull down has the old value then and it gets changed 13:25 kf oleonard: ah, git bz playing games with me 13:24 oleonard It's not marked as such 13:24 kf oleonard: shouldn't it be? 13:23 druthb kia ora magnuse 13:21 magnuse kia ora druthb and NateC 13:19 tcohen ;) 13:18 magnuse i actually did not know you could do tab complete on command line switches... 13:18 magnuse very cool 13:18 magnuse yup 13:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide bash-completion 13:17 tcohen magnuse, did you get my answer for bug 10003 13:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page 13:08 wahanui i heard bug 9887 was relentless. 13:08 magnuse bug 9887 13:08 oleonard kf: 9887 is Passed QA? 13:03 magnuse hiya tcohen 12:49 tcohen hi magnuse 12:48 tcohen morning #koha 12:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , show home and holding branch on staff search results 12:43 oleonard What, before Bug 7000? 12:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11000 was not found. 12:42 * kf is on a mission to file bug 11000 for oleonard to fix ;) 12:41 kf both lines are totally identical? 12:41 kf i mean the probem 12:40 kf but I am not seeing it 12:40 kf i took a look at it 12:40 nengard kf do you have any suggestions for my report question above? It got lost in this discussion 12:39 kf I will file a tiny bug 12:39 kf yeah, that's what I was thinking 12:39 nengard They are currently Open 12:39 kf hm ok 12:38 nengard No, that should be 'Open' 12:38 kf what about opened? 12:38 kf ok 12:38 nengard it can stay that way - but Serial Subscriptions is also right - that's why I said it could go both ways 12:38 nengard Serials Subscriptions 12:37 wahanui both are doing fine 12:37 kf both? 12:37 kf which one? 12:36 nengard I'm okay with it staying the way it is 12:36 nengard I think it could go both ways 12:36 nengard Hmmm 12:35 kf and also, the first tab - Ithink should be open? (not past?) 12:35 kf serials subscriptions or serial subscriptions? :) 12:35 kf [off] http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/serialsearch.png 12:34 kf uploading screenshot 12:34 kf one sec 12:34 nengard I missed the discussion .. .what can I help with ... reading back 12:33 nengard (actually if we're doing wishlist - I want overdues with fines owed more than $100 total) 12:33 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "can anyone tell me why each line is duplicated in this report? I want overdues with the fines owed" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/465 12:33 wahanui i guess nengard is fast 12:33 oleonard Or nengard? 12:33 oleonard I think serials, but get another opinion too. jcamins maybe? 12:32 kf serials subscriptions or serial subscriptions? 12:32 oleonard Sure 12:32 kf oleonard: can I get some native speaker advice too? 12:32 kf you can leave a note too: test with 9887 stupid ;) 12:31 kf oleonard: of course :) 12:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on calendar page 12:31 oleonard kf: I'm going to set Bug 9905 back to "signed off" so that you can test it again with 9887 applied. Is that okay? 12:29 kf wonderful :) 12:29 oleonard And there is already a bug report for the details tab sort 12:29 oleonard Oh yes I did see that 12:29 kf the date sorting problem is on the details tab 12:29 kf and I noticed that I was testing it wrong all the time :( 12:29 kf I passed qa on the circ datatables 12:29 oleonard Where? 12:28 kf oleonard: did you see my comment? 12:28 * kf waves 12:26 Viktor Hi magnuse 12:23 magnuse hiya Viktor 12:22 drojf hi oleonard 12:20 magnuse hiya oleonard 12:19 oleonard Hi #koha 12:11 drojf hei magnuse 12:11 magnuse moin drojf 12:08 drojf good day #koha 11:41 magnuse cool, one of my customers started using "quote of the day" 1.5 days after being upgraded to 3.10.x :-) 11:38 magnuse :-) 11:38 khall good morning magnuse! 11:38 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (1:20 PM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 11:38 magnuse @wunder boo 11:38 magnuse bonjour khall 11:12 kf from sun to rain... 11:12 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0°C (1:00 PM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa (Falling). 11:12 kf @wunder Konstanz 10:38 tweetbot [off] twitter: @jransom: "Holy moly - well done #bywater RT @hbraum: Wow congrats TLC http://t.co/TYNbnb2cjs #kohails" 10:22 tweetbot [off] twitter: @anitsirk: "I'm #204 in #kohails http://t.co/bNQz1fvmYE thanks for telling me, @ranginui" 10:07 * gaetan_B is off to Kurdistan! bye! 09:54 vfernandes the problem is that move_marc_to_authheader.pl only works to UNIMARC 09:36 kf sorry, I don't knwo how that works 09:23 vfernandes UNIMARC field 152 - Rules (normally to insert the authority type) 09:23 vfernandes UNIMARC field 100 - Geral processing data 09:21 kf i am not sure what it does and what the fields in unimarc are 09:21 kf hm not sure really 09:17 vfernandes in UNIMARC field 100 and 152 (type of authority) is filled automatically by the script, in MARC21 which should be the default fields? 09:16 vfernandes so I need to change the script 09:16 vfernandes i'm doing a update from 2.2.8 to 3.0.... everything worked fine with biblio, but with authorities not, because move_marc_to_authheader.pl script is only for UNIMARC 09:15 vfernandes second question (tricky one) 09:13 kf yeah... I am known to be not too good at that :) 09:13 vfernandes sometimes we need to say "NO" to the clients.... ehehe 09:12 kf oh ok 09:12 vfernandes :) 09:11 vfernandes don't worry kf... I already let know the client that isn't possible 09:11 kf that only works with fine interval 1 09:11 vfernandes yes... 09:11 kf the problem in your description is the charge the day after overdue 09:10 kf vfernandes: not sure I understand you 09:07 vfernandes the only way I see to workaround the problem is to charge after 5 days and then create a manual invoce 09:06 vfernandes ok thanks... 09:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9768 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Problem with grace period calculation and fine intervals >1 09:05 kf look at bug 9768 09:05 vfernandes so isn't possible... 09:05 kf I didn't have a chance to take a look at that yet tho 09:05 kf but it might work better in 3.12 with the new pref kyle did 09:05 kf it will charge the first time after 5 days (implicit grace period) 09:05 kf currently not, because when you give grace 0 with interval 5 09:04 kf vfernandes: difficult question 09:04 vfernandes 1 - Its possible to charge a patron on the first overdue day, and then after 5 days, 10 days, 15 days (charge with a interval of 5 days)? 09:03 vfernandes two questions people 09:01 vfernandes hi :) 08:33 Dalian1 Great. I will try this thanks for your prompt reply. 08:20 kf then you can activate it in the system preferences 08:20 kf you need to run a script on command line to install the language 08:20 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client 08:19 Dalian1 from where ? I checked quickly the User Manuel but no clue about this issue. 08:18 Dalian1 plus English I want to have another language 08:17 kf hm one second 08:17 kf install additional languages? 08:16 Dalian1 Hi, we started implementing Koha system and I don't know where to modify or add information in order to have two languages for OPAC and library staff interfaces. Can someone help me with this ? 08:04 kf :) 08:03 gaetan_B hi bag, kf, not yet ;) getting ready to leave in a few hours now ! 07:43 magnuse thanks bag - sleep tight! 07:42 kf thx bag, sleep well 07:42 bag sleep well or enjoy the day you are starting 07:41 bag alright night all 07:35 kf hi gaetan_B - travelling? 07:35 wahanui well, gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons 07:35 bag hey gaetan_B 07:35 gaetan_B hello 07:30 kf just... 07:26 magnuse it was just shaking like crazy... 07:25 kf wow 07:24 bag oh man 07:24 magnuse we were supposed to fly home thenext day, and the first leg of the trip was by helicopter, but the wind was so strong against us that the helicopter got nowhere 07:23 magnuse i experienced 200+ km/hour once, in greenland 07:21 bag yeah magnuse intense 07:20 magnuse ooh, 3.10 in colombia! 07:19 magnuse wow, 130 mph = ~210 km/hour 07:18 magnuse and hi bag 07:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt: sliip 07:17 magnuse at least bug #10000 has now been added, but not while i was making pizza 07:16 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 07:16 bag heya magnuse 07:16 * magnuse waves 06:54 bag all in a days work for BobB 06:53 * BobB returns to his work 06:53 christophe_c hello 06:53 shalom i'm so happy!!! thank you very much!!! 06:52 cait bbl :) 06:52 shalom heehee, i've been looking up and down for a solution for months!!!! 06:52 BobB yeah, in the staff client especially, its better to use Firefox or Chrome 06:52 shalom :* 06:51 shalom thanks!!! 06:51 BobB :) 06:51 cait BobB++ 06:51 cait ah :) 06:51 cait shalom: you shoudl have a complete 952 with all subfiels and set some to hidden if you don't want to show them 06:51 shalom got it! thanks! i tried google chrome 06:50 cait shalom: do you only have 7 in your ACQ framewrk? 06:50 BobB hi reiveune 06:49 reiveune hello 06:49 BobB Do you have Firefox? 06:49 BobB Well, depending on the version, that could be the issue. 06:48 shalom ie 06:48 BobB what browser are you using? 06:48 shalom but i can only get a blank box under the item label 06:47 dcook Gotta jet early today folks. Take care! 06:47 BobB anyway, chance to do Las Vegas and Reno in the same year. Why not? 06:47 shalom i have set AcqCreateItem at receiving an order, create ACQ framework, set 952 subfield 7 06:46 cait shalom: normally just ask your question and someone will if they have an idea 06:46 BobB Just gorgeous. Love the hat! 06:46 bag but if you've got a fast car - 4.5 hours 06:46 bag that's about a 6 hour drive from here 06:45 bag oh man Vegas… 06:45 BobB I have to go to Las Vegas. There is almost nowhere I want to go less. 06:45 bag BobB: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPJquJaZdHZtXyspYGm7M7Q?feature=mhee 06:45 shalom anyone can help me on my KOHA acquisition issue here? 06:45 bag of LA 06:45 bag it's a little north about an hour and half by car 06:44 BobB lol 06:44 bag the real attraction is Sonja (wicked nice and sweet) and Ginny 06:44 BobB Its north of? 06:44 BobB Santa Barbara is not LA eh? 06:44 BobB There's a saying, dogs have masters, cats have staff! 06:43 bag and he's super polite 06:43 BobB At least they react. They are warm. 06:43 bag but he doesn't shed 06:43 BobB Ahh, dogs are ok too. 06:43 bag we have a dog 06:43 BobB Wow, very nice. Irma asks if you have a cat? (She likes cats.) 06:42 BobB but we'd sure like to 06:42 BobB ... at least not both of us, 06:42 bag if you are thinking of traveling afterwards - let me know - you both always have a spot to crash in Santa Barbara if you want to 06:42 BobB I have to come to the States in June for business, so its not certain we'll be back in October .. 06:41 bag good good :) 06:41 BobB Yes we're thinking about it. 06:41 BobB April and October are transition months 06:41 bag hey BobB are you and irma thinking about coming to Reno for kohacon? 06:41 BobB We have two seasons: summer and not summer 06:41 dcook hehe 06:41 BobB its not really winter. I call it Not_Summer 06:40 bag good and bad I guess :P 06:40 dcook hey, BobB. It'll be my first full winter, I think. I was here through to mid-August last year. 06:40 BobB hi cait 06:40 BobB ahh pretty busy 06:40 cait hi BobB :) 06:40 bag how's everything with you? 06:40 BobB heya bag 06:40 bag heya BobB 06:39 BobB will this be your first winter here dcook? 06:38 dcook I had forgotten what blue skies looked like 06:37 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Falling). 06:37 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 06:36 dcook Sounds rather intense in any case! 06:35 bag don't know if those last night were that 06:34 huginn bag: Santa Ana winds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana_winds>; Santa Anas: <http://meteora.ucsd.edu/cap/santa_ana.html>; The Santa Ana Winds | San Diego History Center: <http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/58january/santa.htm>; Santa Ana Winds FC!: <http://santaanawindsfc.com/>; The Santa Ana Winds: <http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/~fovell/ASother/mm5/SantaAna/>; (1 more message) 06:34 bag @google santa ana winds 06:34 bag I think they have famous named winds here? like Santa Ana winds or something like that 06:34 bag ha 06:33 dcook Or Nausicaa is going to look like a picnic in the park 06:33 dcook Hope the environment never gets too angry at us... 06:32 bag blew into the ocean 06:32 bag the park I drive by everyday - there sign was gone 06:32 dcook Eeep! 06:32 dcook A town about an hour away from mine...street signs were bent in half by the wind 06:32 bag and my car was blown around on the ride to work 06:32 bag but the sound of the wind through the palm trees sounded like jet engines 06:32 dcook When I was a kid, some of the stories were unreal 06:31 bag but honestly I don't know or heard about major house damage 06:31 dcook Ahhh, ok 06:31 bag around us about 20 miles north - we had some big gusts maybe about 80 or so - but nothing insane for damage - besides trees down... 06:31 bag and it was a spot on the coast where there isn't really much to slow it down at all 06:30 bag I think that's gusts 06:30 dcook At 130mph, I imagine houses must've had a rather rough go... 06:30 dcook The thing practically lords over the rest of the yard 06:29 * dcook is pretty impressed by the palm tree in his front yard 06:29 dcook Wow...that is rather remarkable 06:29 bag but not a single palm tree was knocked down - those things are awesome in the wind 06:29 bag lots of trees down and palm fronds all over the place 06:28 bag our table umbrella was in the neighbors yard when we woke up 06:28 dcook What sort of damage happened? 06:28 bag yeah 130 mph 06:28 dcook cait :) 06:27 cait dcook: no snow - quite spring like even with sun 06:27 dcook Sweet jesus... 06:27 dcook 130 mph? 06:27 dcook A bit disconcerting the first few times until we figured it out ;) 06:27 bag HA 06:27 dcook We have a mango tree in our back yard, so any time the wind started up in the summer, we would hear some fairly regular "thumps" on the roof 06:26 dcook O_O 06:26 bag I heard it got up to 130 mph just a little bit down the coast from us 06:26 bag yeah the wind last night was CRAZY… it was blowing through the palm trees - and it sounded like jet engines 06:26 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 13.0°C (11:22 PM PDT on April 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Rising). High Wind Warning in effect until 6 am PDT Tuesday... 06:26 bag @wunder 93102 06:23 dcook At least it's not snowing? 06:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 06:19 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:55 dcook 24 bugs? That doesn't sound right... 05:55 dcook To clarify the "Garrr", it's the limit of elements that can contain noscript tags... 05:52 cait but probably not much left in the coe by now 05:52 cait hm 05:51 cait there was more about ti 05:51 eythian yeah, but AIUI, the category has no bearing on it at all 05:51 dcook Garrr 05:51 dcook http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/noscript.html 05:50 cait if you give them permissions... 05:49 eythian that's not quite right... 05:49 eythian > Patrons within the staff category will have access to the staff client. 05:49 eythian > Staff 05:46 cait eythian: thx, but I still better get ready for work :) 05:46 bag hey cait 05:45 dcook morning, cait 05:43 eythian I wouldn't tell 05:43 cait morning all 05:43 cait eythian: i think my boss wouldn't like that 05:42 * magnuse waves resignedly 05:42 magnuse wtf? another 25 cm of snow during the night? 05:39 eythian you have a while to wait :) 05:38 bag I'm still excited to see the next one though 05:37 eythian go to bed, cait 05:32 dcook trilogy* 05:32 dcook But then how could you get a proper PJ triology? :p 05:31 eythian yeah, there were bits I thought were a bit much, and it could have been a fair bit shorter. 05:25 bag besides that I liked it… I thought PJ did change the burning trees part a little more than my imagination had built it 05:24 bag heya druthb 05:24 bag I thought that radagast was too much, and the white orc… 05:23 druthb http://www.burpandfartpiano.com/ #oddest things end up in my Facebook timeline... 05:22 druthb o/ 05:21 eythian It was pretty good, I thought 05:21 bag :P 05:21 bag movie that is 05:21 bag eythian: what did you think of the hobbit? 05:18 dcook Odd indeed 05:17 eythian but, they always used a slightly odd method 05:17 eythian they definitely do work 05:16 dcook I suppose instead of fixing it, we could scrap it... 05:16 dcook Because the category_type variable wasn't being passed to the template 05:16 dcook If I read my own notes correctly, the category_type conditions didn't actually work 05:13 dcook mhm 05:13 eythian yes, this 05:13 eythian > Maybe we should take a step back and try to isolate what differences are really necessary and what differences might have originated with some library's specific needs. 05:12 eythian yeah, but not hugely 05:12 dcook Oh wait, I think Owen was actually trying to start a discussion 05:11 dcook :S 05:11 dcook Ah, right. It also gets more complicated, based on the type of patron category... 05:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9383 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, In Discussion , Bad logic, missing params, and irregular labeling for Members scripts 05:11 dcook bug 9383 05:10 eythian there may have been, once upon a time 05:10 * dcook rummages around for a minute 05:10 dcook Well, Owen suggested that there was possibly a reason for it 05:09 eythian it wouldn't be too hard to fix, either 05:08 eythian yeah 05:08 * dcook should really split his commit and re-submit regarding that one... 05:08 dcook I think the edit screen doesn't match the patron detail screen either... 05:08 dcook It's a bit inconsistent and confusing :/ 05:07 dcook Same with email addresses 05:07 dcook Agreed about the re-visit. A lot of the field names are counterintuitive like phonepro and phone being called primary phone and other phone 05:06 eythian I was thinking of just using 'address' 05:06 eythian hmm, not a silly idea actually 05:06 eythian yeah. Could do with a revisit some time, that whole area. 05:05 dcook As for "department", we usually use sort1 or sort2 using authorized values and change of the template either using JQuery or a hard-coded change 05:05 dcook eythian: Yeah...I wondered the same thing about contactnote. Still not a fan of that one... 05:04 dcook Nothing like a fire alarm to give you a reason to stretch the legs 05:04 dcook Hmm? 04:58 bag :) 04:57 eythian bag: http://whiskyweb.co.uk/ 04:53 eythian teehee 04:53 eythian fax => curry(\&literal, 'fax'), # Polio 04:52 wizzyrea i wonder how many times I've said that in #koha 04:52 eythian oh well 04:52 eythian yeah 04:52 wizzyrea just that it is. 04:52 wizzyrea I dind't say it was logical or rational 04:52 wizzyrea :) 04:50 eythian wizzyrea: yes, associated with fields like "altcontactfirstname" :) 04:50 eythian jcamins: seems plausible 04:50 wizzyrea because it's the note, associated with the alternate contact 04:50 wizzyrea I think dcook asked about that too 04:50 jcamins To drive you batty? 04:49 eythian I'd also quite like a "department" field for professional users. 04:49 eythian why is contactnote associated with the alt address, and not called altcontactnote like would make sense? 04:48 eythian ah right 04:48 jcamins San Antonio for a wedding. 04:36 eythian where'd you go? 04:27 jcamins 00:25 and I am off the plane. I kind of wish we'd flown back earlier. 04:23 mtj rangi, the collasping gif ^^ 04:21 bag hey dcook 04:21 dcook evening, bag 04:13 wizzyrea hmm? 04:12 bag evening all 04:03 rangi hmmm 04:03 rangi what? 04:02 mtj yeah, that was flippin sweet 04:00 wizzyrea ah that made me laugh. 04:00 wizzyrea how about noooooooo 04:00 eythian I think it's too short to trigger normally 04:00 wahanui http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif 04:00 wizzyrea oh no? 04:00 wizzyrea oh no 04:00 wizzyrea hm 04:00 wizzyrea oh no! 03:59 wahanui okay, eythian. 03:59 eythian wahanui: oh no is also <reply>http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif 03:59 wahanui ...but no is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg... 03:59 eythian wahanui: oh no is <reply>http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif 02:42 rangi heh 02:42 * mtj goes on a little twitter RT bender... 02:37 tweetbot [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "After 25 years NSW School libraries finally rise from DOS http://t.co/Ol4DLBGBuY via @theage #kohails" 02:10 wahanui OK, eythian. 02:10 eythian wahanui: git tips is http://blog.apiaxle.com/post/handy-git-tips-to-stop-you-getting-fired/ 01:49 tweetbot [off] twitter: @KohaJenkins: "#kohails test test" 01:09 mtompset Yes. Back in my home and native land. :) 01:01 dcook Back in Canada? 00:55 mtompset Greetings, dcook. 00:55 dcook hey ya mtompset 00:53 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 00:52 mtj hopefully some network caching, helping out there… but still :/ 00:51 jcamins Yup. Round trip every query. 00:50 jcamins Yay! We have a gate! 00:50 mtj hmm, i can see how that might be a speed hit, jcamins :/ 00:50 jcamins We are presently sittinf on the plane waiting for a gate to open in Atlanta. 00:49 jcamins Thankfully it was. 00:49 jcamins lol 00:49 mtj jcamins, lets hope thats the only thing to strike you at 10k feet! 00:48 jcamins That struck me at 10k feet. 00:47 jcamins wizzyrea, it occurs to me there is probably a severe performance penalty for remote stylesheets, but I haven't tried. 00:39 dcook Seems pretty common for people to run xbmc on it 00:36 dcook I've been thinking about picking one up even just to use as a media centre 00:36 dcook Hmmm...that's not a bad idea... 00:36 mtj plug it into your home network - always on, low-power… just sits there doing its thing 00:35 mtj as wiz said… its a perfect little project for an rpi 00:32 mtj yeah, finding a suitable box to run your always-on bouncer, can be a problem 00:30 dcook I thought about running it from home, but that server is more for fun/learning than anything, so I don't want to leave it on all the time 00:30 dcook Not really sure where to run it though 00:29 dcook Does look like a pretty straightforward install 00:29 dcook mtj: I was looking at znc a little bit earlier 00:29 dcook hehe 00:28 mtj its idiot-proof 00:27 mtj dcook, have a go with znc, as a irc bouncer/proxy thingy -> http://wiki.znc.in/Installation