Time  Nick          Message
00:27 mtj           dcook, have a go with znc, as a irc bouncer/proxy thingy -> http://wiki.znc.in/Installation
00:28 mtj           its idiot-proof
00:29 dcook         hehe
00:29 dcook         mtj: I was looking at znc a little bit earlier
00:29 dcook         Does look like a pretty straightforward install
00:30 dcook         Not really sure where to run it though
00:30 dcook         I thought about running it from home, but that server is more for fun/learning than anything, so I don't want to leave it on all the time
00:32 mtj           yeah, finding a suitable box to run your always-on bouncer, can be a problem
00:35 mtj           as wiz said… its a perfect little project for an rpi
00:36 mtj           plug it into your home network - always on, low-power… just sits there doing its thing
00:36 dcook         Hmmm...that's not a bad idea...
00:36 dcook         I've been thinking about picking one up even just to use as a media centre
00:39 dcook         Seems pretty common for people to run xbmc on it
00:47 jcamins       wizzyrea, it occurs to me there is probably a severe performance penalty for remote stylesheets, but I haven't tried.
00:48 jcamins       That struck me at 10k feet.
00:49 mtj           jcamins, lets hope thats the only thing to strike you at 10k feet!
00:49 jcamins       lol
00:49 jcamins       Thankfully it was.
00:50 jcamins       We are presently sittinf on the plane waiting for a gate to open in Atlanta.
00:50 mtj           hmm, i can see how that might be a speed hit, jcamins  :/
00:50 jcamins       Yay! We have a gate!
00:51 jcamins       Yup. Round trip every query.
00:52 mtj           hopefully some network caching, helping out there… but still :/
00:53 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
00:55 dcook         hey ya mtompset
00:55 mtompset      Greetings, dcook.
01:01 dcook         Back in Canada?
01:09 mtompset      Yes. Back in my home and native land. :)
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02:10 eythian       wahanui: git tips is http://blog.apiaxle.com/post/handy-git-tips-to-stop-you-getting-fired/
02:10 wahanui       OK, eythian.
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02:42 * mtj         goes on a little twitter RT bender...
02:42 rangi         heh
03:59 eythian       wahanui: oh no is <reply>http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif
03:59 wahanui       ...but no is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg...
03:59 eythian       wahanui: oh no is also <reply>http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif
03:59 wahanui       okay, eythian.
04:00 wizzyrea      oh no!
04:00 wizzyrea      hm
04:00 wizzyrea      oh no
04:00 wizzyrea      oh no?
04:00 wahanui       http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif
04:00 eythian       I think it's too short to trigger normally
04:00 wizzyrea      how about noooooooo
04:00 wizzyrea      ah that made me laugh.
04:02 mtj           yeah, that was flippin sweet
04:03 rangi         what?
04:03 rangi         hmmm
04:12 bag           evening all
04:13 wizzyrea      hmm?
04:21 dcook         evening, bag
04:21 bag           hey dcook
04:23 mtj           rangi, the collasping gif ^^
04:27 jcamins       00:25 and I am off the plane. I kind of wish we'd flown back earlier.
04:36 eythian       where'd you go?
04:48 jcamins       San Antonio for a wedding.
04:48 eythian       ah right
04:49 eythian       why is contactnote associated with the alt address, and not called altcontactnote like would make sense?
04:49 eythian       I'd also quite like a "department" field for professional users.
04:50 jcamins       To drive you batty?
04:50 wizzyrea      I think dcook asked about that too
04:50 wizzyrea      because it's the note, associated with the alternate contact
04:50 eythian       jcamins: seems plausible
04:50 eythian       wizzyrea: yes, associated with fields like "altcontactfirstname" :)
04:52 wizzyrea      :)
04:52 wizzyrea      I dind't say it was logical or rational
04:52 wizzyrea      just that it is.
04:52 eythian       yeah
04:52 eythian       oh well
04:52 wizzyrea      i wonder how many times I've said that in #koha
04:53 eythian       fax         => curry(\&literal, 'fax'), # Polio
04:53 eythian       teehee
04:57 eythian       bag: http://whiskyweb.co.uk/
04:58 bag           :)
05:04 dcook         Hmm?
05:04 dcook         Nothing like a fire alarm to give you a reason to stretch the legs
05:05 dcook         eythian: Yeah...I wondered the same thing about contactnote. Still not a fan of that one...
05:05 dcook         As for "department", we usually use sort1 or sort2 using authorized values and change of the template either using JQuery or a hard-coded change
05:06 eythian       yeah. Could do with a revisit some time, that whole area.
05:06 eythian       hmm, not a silly idea actually
05:06 eythian       I was thinking of just using 'address'
05:07 dcook         Agreed about the re-visit. A lot of the field names are counterintuitive like phonepro and phone being called primary phone and other phone
05:07 dcook         Same with email addresses
05:08 dcook         It's a bit inconsistent and confusing :/
05:08 dcook         I think the edit screen doesn't match the patron detail screen either...
05:08 * dcook       should really split his commit and re-submit regarding that one...
05:08 eythian       yeah
05:09 eythian       it wouldn't be too hard to fix, either
05:10 dcook         Well, Owen suggested that there was possibly a reason for it
05:10 * dcook       rummages around for a minute
05:10 eythian       there may have been, once upon a time
05:11 dcook         bug 9383
05:11 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9383 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, In Discussion , Bad logic, missing params, and irregular labeling for Members scripts
05:11 dcook         Ah, right. It also gets more complicated, based on the type of patron category...
05:11 dcook         :S
05:12 dcook         Oh wait, I think Owen was actually trying to start a discussion
05:12 eythian       yeah, but not hugely
05:13 eythian       > Maybe we should take a step back and try to isolate what differences are really necessary and what differences might have originated with some library's specific needs.
05:13 eythian       yes, this
05:13 dcook         mhm
05:16 dcook         If I read my own notes correctly, the category_type conditions didn't actually work
05:16 dcook         Because the category_type variable wasn't being passed to the template
05:16 dcook         I suppose instead of fixing it, we could scrap it...
05:17 eythian       they definitely do work
05:17 eythian       but, they always used a slightly odd method
05:18 dcook         Odd indeed
05:21 bag           eythian: what did you think of the hobbit?
05:21 bag           movie that is
05:21 bag           :P
05:21 eythian       It was pretty good, I thought
05:22 druthb        o/
05:23 druthb        http://www.burpandfartpiano.com/    #oddest things end up in my Facebook timeline...
05:24 bag           I thought that radagast was too much, and the white orc…
05:24 bag           heya druthb
05:25 bag           besides that I liked it…  I thought PJ did change the burning trees part a little more than my imagination had built it
05:31 eythian       yeah, there were bits I thought were a bit much, and it could have been a fair bit shorter.
05:32 dcook         But then how could you get a proper PJ triology? :p
05:32 dcook         trilogy*
05:37 eythian       go to bed, cait
05:38 bag           I'm still excited to see the next one though
05:39 eythian       you have a while to wait :)
05:42 magnuse       wtf? another 25 cm of snow during the night?
05:42 * magnuse     waves resignedly
05:43 cait          eythian: i think my boss wouldn't like that
05:43 cait          morning all
05:43 eythian       I wouldn't tell
05:45 dcook         morning, cait
05:46 bag           hey cait
05:46 cait          eythian: thx, but I still better get ready for work :)
05:49 eythian       > Staff
05:49 eythian       > Patrons within the staff category will have access to the staff client.
05:49 eythian       that's not quite right...
05:50 cait          if you give them permissions...
05:51 dcook         http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/noscript.html
05:51 dcook         Garrr
05:51 eythian       yeah, but AIUI, the category has no bearing on it at all
05:51 cait          there was more about ti
05:52 cait          hm
05:52 cait          but probably not much left in the coe by now
05:55 dcook         To clarify the "Garrr", it's the limit of elements that can contain noscript tags...
05:55 dcook         24 bugs? That doesn't sound right...
06:19 cait          @wunder Konstanz
06:19 huginn        cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
06:23 dcook         At least it's not snowing?
06:26 bag           @wunder 93102
06:26 huginn        bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 13.0°C (11:22 PM PDT on April 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Rising).  High Wind Warning in effect until 6 am PDT Tuesday... 
06:26 bag           yeah the wind last night was CRAZY…  it was blowing through the palm trees - and it sounded like jet engines
06:26 bag           I heard it got up to 130 mph just a little bit down the coast from us
06:26 dcook         O_O
06:27 dcook         We have a mango tree in our back yard, so any time the wind started up in the summer, we would hear some fairly regular "thumps" on the roof
06:27 bag           HA
06:27 dcook         A bit disconcerting the first few times until we figured it out ;)
06:27 dcook         130 mph?
06:27 dcook         Sweet jesus...
06:27 cait          dcook: no snow - quite spring like even with sun
06:28 dcook         cait :)
06:28 bag           yeah 130 mph
06:28 dcook         What sort of damage happened?
06:28 bag           our table umbrella was in the neighbors yard when we woke up
06:29 bag           lots of trees down and palm fronds all over the place
06:29 bag           but not a single palm tree was knocked down - those things are awesome in the wind
06:29 dcook         Wow...that is rather remarkable
06:29 * dcook       is pretty impressed by the palm tree in his front yard
06:30 dcook         The thing practically lords over the rest of the yard
06:30 dcook         At 130mph, I imagine houses must've had a rather rough go...
06:30 bag           I think that's gusts
06:31 bag           and it was a spot on the coast where there isn't really much to slow it down at all
06:31 bag           around us about 20 miles north - we had some big gusts maybe about 80 or so - but nothing insane for damage - besides trees down...
06:31 dcook         Ahhh, ok
06:31 bag           but honestly I don't know or heard about major house damage
06:32 dcook         When I was a kid, some of the stories were unreal
06:32 bag           but the sound of the wind through the palm trees sounded like jet engines
06:32 bag           and my car was blown around on the ride to work
06:32 dcook         A town about an hour away from mine...street signs were bent in half by the wind
06:32 dcook         Eeep!
06:32 bag           the park I drive by everyday - there sign was gone
06:32 bag           blew into the ocean
06:33 dcook         Hope the environment never gets too angry at us...
06:33 dcook         Or Nausicaa is going to look like a picnic in the park
06:34 bag           ha
06:34 bag           I think they have famous named winds here?  like Santa Ana winds or something like that
06:34 bag           @google santa ana winds
06:34 huginn        bag: Santa Ana winds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana_winds>; Santa Anas: <http://meteora.ucsd.edu/cap/santa_ana.html>; The Santa Ana Winds | San Diego History Center: <http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/58january/santa.htm>; Santa Ana Winds FC!: <http://santaanawindsfc.com/>; The Santa Ana Winds: <http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/~fovell/ASother/mm5/SantaAna/>; (1 more message)
06:35 bag           don't know if those last night were that
06:36 dcook         Sounds rather intense in any case!
06:37 dcook         @wunder sydney, australia
06:37 huginn        dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
06:38 dcook         I had forgotten what blue skies looked like
06:39 BobB          will this be your first winter here dcook?
06:40 bag           heya BobB
06:40 BobB          heya bag
06:40 bag           how's everything with you?
06:40 cait          hi BobB :)
06:40 BobB          ahh pretty busy
06:40 BobB          hi cait
06:40 dcook         hey, BobB. It'll be my first full winter, I think. I was here through to mid-August last year.
06:40 bag           good and bad I guess :P
06:41 BobB          its not really winter.  I call it Not_Summer
06:41 dcook         hehe
06:41 BobB          We have two seasons: summer and not summer
06:41 bag           hey BobB are you and irma thinking about coming to Reno for kohacon?
06:41 BobB          April and October are transition months
06:41 BobB          Yes we're thinking about it.
06:41 bag           good good :)
06:42 BobB          I have to come to the States in June for business, so its not certain we'll be back in October ..
06:42 bag           if you are thinking of traveling afterwards - let me know - you both always have a spot to crash in Santa Barbara if you want to
06:42 BobB          ... at least not both of us,
06:42 BobB          but we'd sure like to
06:43 BobB          Wow, very nice.  Irma asks if you have a cat?  (She likes cats.)
06:43 bag           we have a dog
06:43 BobB          Ahh, dogs are ok too.
06:43 bag           but he doesn't shed
06:43 BobB          At least they react.  They are warm.
06:43 bag           and he's super polite
06:44 BobB          There's a saying, dogs have masters, cats have staff!
06:44 BobB          Santa Barbara is not LA eh?
06:44 BobB          Its north of?
06:44 bag           the real attraction is Sonja (wicked nice and sweet) and Ginny
06:44 BobB          lol
06:45 bag           it's a little north about an hour and half by car
06:45 bag           of LA
06:45 shalom        anyone can help me on my KOHA acquisition issue here?
06:45 bag           BobB: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPJquJaZdHZtXyspYGm7M7Q?feature=mhee
06:45 BobB          I have to go to Las Vegas.  There is almost nowhere I want to go less.
06:45 bag           oh man Vegas…
06:46 bag           that's about a 6 hour drive from here
06:46 bag           but if you've got a fast car - 4.5 hours
06:46 BobB          Just gorgeous.  Love the hat!
06:46 cait          shalom: normally just ask your question and someone will if they have an idea
06:47 shalom        i have set AcqCreateItem at receiving an order, create ACQ framework, set 952 subfield 7
06:47 BobB          anyway, chance to do Las Vegas and Reno in the same year.  Why not?
06:47 dcook         Gotta jet early today folks. Take care!
06:48 shalom        but i can only get a blank box under the item label
06:48 BobB          what browser are you using?
06:48 shalom        ie
06:49 BobB          Well, depending on the version, that could be the issue.
06:49 BobB          Do you have Firefox?
06:49 reiveune      hello
06:50 BobB          hi reiveune
06:50 cait          shalom: do you only have 7 in your ACQ framewrk?
06:51 shalom        got it! thanks! i tried google chrome
06:51 cait          shalom: you shoudl have a complete 952 with all subfiels and set some to hidden if you don't want to show them
06:51 cait          ah :)
06:51 cait          BobB++
06:51 BobB          :)
06:51 shalom        thanks!!!
06:52 shalom        :*
06:52 BobB          yeah, in the staff client especially, its better to use Firefox or Chrome
06:52 shalom        heehee, i've been looking up and down for a solution for months!!!!
06:52 cait          bbl :)
06:53 shalom        i'm so happy!!! thank you very much!!!
06:53 christophe_c  hello
06:53 * BobB        returns to his work
06:54 bag           all in a days work for BobB
07:16 * magnuse     waves
07:16 bag           heya magnuse
07:16 wahanui       it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
07:17 magnuse       at least bug #10000 has now been added, but not while i was making pizza
07:17 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt: sliip
07:18 magnuse       and hi bag
07:19 magnuse       wow, 130 mph = ~210 km/hour
07:20 magnuse       ooh, 3.10 in colombia!
07:21 bag           yeah magnuse intense
07:23 magnuse       i experienced 200+ km/hour once, in greenland
07:24 magnuse       we were supposed to fly home thenext day, and the first leg of the trip was by helicopter, but the wind was so strong against us that the helicopter got nowhere
07:24 bag           oh man
07:25 kf            wow
07:26 magnuse       it was just shaking like crazy...
07:30 kf            just...
07:35 gaetan_B      hello
07:35 bag           hey gaetan_B
07:35 wahanui       well, gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons
07:35 kf            hi gaetan_B - travelling?
07:41 bag           alright night all
07:42 bag           sleep well or enjoy the day you are starting
07:42 kf            thx bag, sleep well
07:43 magnuse       thanks bag - sleep tight!
08:03 gaetan_B      hi bag, kf, not yet ;) getting ready to leave in a few hours now !
08:04 kf            :)
08:16 Dalian1       Hi, we started implementing Koha system and I don't know where to modify or add information in order to have two languages for OPAC and library staff interfaces. Can someone help me with this ?
08:17 kf            install additional languages?
08:17 kf            hm one second
08:18 Dalian1       plus English I want to have another language
08:19 Dalian1       from where ? I checked quickly the User Manuel but no clue about this issue.
08:20 kf            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
08:20 kf            you need to run a script on command line to install the language
08:20 kf            then you can activate it in the system preferences
08:33 Dalian1       Great. I will try this thanks for your prompt reply.
09:01 vfernandes    hi :)
09:03 vfernandes    two questions people
09:04 vfernandes    1 - Its possible to charge a patron on the first overdue day, and then after 5 days, 10 days, 15 days (charge with a interval of 5 days)?
09:04 kf            vfernandes: difficult question
09:05 kf            currently not, because when you give grace 0 with interval 5
09:05 kf            it will charge the first time after 5 days (implicit grace period)
09:05 kf            but it might work better in 3.12 with the new pref kyle did
09:05 kf            I didn't have a chance to take a look at that yet tho
09:05 vfernandes    so isn't possible...
09:05 kf            look at bug 9768
09:05 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9768 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Problem with grace period calculation and fine intervals >1
09:06 vfernandes    ok thanks...
09:07 vfernandes    the only way I see to workaround the problem is to charge after 5 days and then create a manual invoce
09:10 kf            vfernandes:  not sure I understand you
09:11 kf            the problem in your description is the charge the day after overdue
09:11 vfernandes    yes...
09:11 kf            that only works with fine interval 1
09:11 vfernandes    don't worry kf... I already let know the client that isn't possible
09:12 vfernandes    :)
09:12 kf            oh ok
09:13 vfernandes    sometimes we need to say "NO" to the clients.... ehehe
09:13 kf            yeah... I am known to be not too good at that :)
09:15 vfernandes    second question (tricky one)
09:16 vfernandes    i'm doing a update from 2.2.8 to 3.0.... everything worked fine with biblio, but with authorities not, because move_marc_to_authheader.pl script is only for UNIMARC
09:16 vfernandes    so I need to change the script
09:17 vfernandes    in UNIMARC field 100 and 152 (type of authority) is filled automatically by the script, in MARC21 which should be the default fields?
09:21 kf            hm not sure really
09:21 kf            i am not sure what it does and what the fields in unimarc are
09:23 vfernandes    UNIMARC field 100 - Geral processing data
09:23 vfernandes    UNIMARC field 152 - Rules (normally to insert the authority type)
09:36 kf            sorry, I don't knwo how that works
09:54 vfernandes    the problem is that move_marc_to_authheader.pl only works to UNIMARC
10:07 * gaetan_B    is off to Kurdistan! bye!
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11:12 kf            @wunder Konstanz
11:12 huginn        kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0°C (1:00 PM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa (Falling).
11:12 kf            from sun to rain...
11:38 magnuse       bonjour khall
11:38 magnuse       @wunder boo
11:38 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (1:20 PM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
11:38 khall         good morning magnuse!
11:38 magnuse       :-)
11:41 magnuse       cool, one of my customers started using "quote of the day" 1.5 days after being upgraded to 3.10.x :-)
12:08 drojf         good day #koha
12:11 magnuse       moin drojf
12:11 drojf         hei magnuse
12:19 oleonard      Hi #koha
12:20 magnuse       hiya oleonard
12:22 drojf         hi oleonard
12:23 magnuse       hiya Viktor
12:26 Viktor        Hi magnuse
12:28 * kf          waves
12:28 kf            oleonard: did you see my comment?
12:29 oleonard      Where?
12:29 kf            I passed qa on the circ datatables
12:29 kf            and I noticed that I was testing it wrong all the time :(
12:29 kf            the date sorting problem is on the details tab
12:29 oleonard      Oh yes I did see that
12:29 oleonard      And there is already a bug report for the details tab sort
12:29 kf            wonderful :)
12:31 oleonard      kf: I'm going to set Bug 9905 back to "signed off" so that you can test it again with 9887 applied. Is that okay?
12:31 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on calendar page
12:31 kf            oleonard: of course :)
12:32 kf            you can leave a note too: test with 9887 stupid ;)
12:32 kf            oleonard: can I get some native speaker advice too?
12:32 oleonard      Sure
12:32 kf            serials subscriptions or serial subscriptions?
12:33 oleonard      I think serials, but get another opinion too. jcamins maybe?
12:33 oleonard      Or nengard?
12:33 wahanui       i guess nengard is fast
12:33 pastebot      "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "can anyone tell me why each line is duplicated in this report? I want overdues with the fines owed" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/465
12:33 nengard       (actually if we're doing wishlist - I want overdues with fines owed more than $100 total)
12:34 nengard       I missed the discussion .. .what can I help with ... reading back
12:34 kf            one sec
12:34 kf            uploading screenshot
12:35 kf            [off] http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/serialsearch.png
12:35 kf            serials subscriptions or serial subscriptions? :)
12:35 kf            and also, the first tab - Ithink should be open? (not past?)
12:36 nengard       Hmmm
12:36 nengard       I think it could go both ways
12:36 nengard       I'm okay with it staying the way it is
12:37 kf            which one?
12:37 kf            both?
12:37 wahanui       both are doing fine
12:38 nengard       Serials Subscriptions
12:38 nengard       it can stay that way - but Serial Subscriptions is also right - that's why I said it could go both ways
12:38 kf            ok
12:38 kf            what about opened?
12:38 nengard       No, that should be 'Open'
12:39 kf            hm ok
12:39 nengard       They are currently Open
12:39 kf            yeah, that's what I was thinking
12:39 kf            I will file a tiny bug
12:40 nengard       kf do you have any suggestions for my report question above? It got lost in this discussion
12:40 kf            i took a look at it
12:40 kf            but I am not seeing it
12:41 kf            i mean the probem
12:41 kf            both lines are totally identical?
12:42 * kf          is on a mission to file  bug 11000 for oleonard to fix ;)
12:42 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11000 was not found.
12:43 oleonard      What, before Bug 7000?
12:43 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , show home and holding branch on staff search results
12:48 tcohen        morning #koha
12:49 tcohen        hi magnuse
13:03 magnuse       hiya tcohen
13:08 oleonard      kf: 9887 is Passed QA?
13:08 magnuse       bug 9887
13:08 wahanui       i heard bug 9887 was relentless.
13:08 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page
13:17 tcohen        magnuse, did you get my answer for bug 10003
13:17 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide bash-completion
13:18 magnuse       yup
13:18 magnuse       very cool
13:18 magnuse       i actually did not know you could do tab complete on command line switches...
13:19 tcohen        ;)
13:21 magnuse       kia ora druthb and NateC
13:23 druthb        kia ora magnuse
13:24 kf            oleonard: shouldn't it be?
13:24 oleonard      It's not marked as such
13:25 kf            oleonard: ah, git bz playing games with me
13:25 kf            i marked it from git bz - then I added the comment. sometimes the status pull down has the old value then and it gets changed
13:26 drojf         does the -D parameter for build-git-snapshot have no effect or is that just me? when i put -D squeeze i get --force-distribution -D "squeeze-dev" anyway?
13:26 kf            oleonard: sorry for 10001 - picked the wrong module
13:26 oleonard      That's okay
13:26 kf            hm but frederic is also wrong
13:26 kf            shouldn't it be ruth now?
13:27 oleonard      I don't know that druthb volunteered to be a default assignee in Bugzilla
13:27 kf            oleonard: I was thinkig because of translations, but it's probably all ok
13:28 druthb        I did, for I18N/L10N stuff.
13:28 magnuse       drojf: i never tried -D, sorry
13:28 kf            druthb: did you get 10.001?
13:28 druthb        I've not gotten any email yet, no.
13:28 kf            hm not sure who can change it, probably rangi
13:28 kf            if you wanted to be default cc for i18n
13:30 kf            oleonard: do I have to speak up for my keyboard one? you kept the icon in your patch on my request, not sure if you want to do a new patch
13:30 kf            and talking about icons, sorry
13:30 kf            bit too busy here :)
13:30 oleonard      I don't want to do a new patch if I don't have to :)
13:30 drojf         magnuse: i just changed the default values last time and forgot about it, but that does not seem like the straight forward way to do it ;)
13:30 kf            oleonard: ok :)
13:41 drojf         yay, harddisk full while building package. every. damn. time.
13:43 kf            i guess 'don't build packages then' wuld not be a good advice
13:44 drojf         no. "use your brain, use the right vm and don't collect so much garbage on your harddisk" might be a concept to follow. next time ;)
13:44 kf            ok
13:44 kf            I will make a note
13:45 drojf         :)
14:24 safealloys    hi
14:25 safealloys    hello
14:25 oleonard      Hello safealloys
14:25 safealloys    How is Koha so far addressing library needs?
14:25 oleonard      Quite well thank you
14:26 safealloys    Ok
14:26 safealloys    can you share with me Advantages that a licensed software has over Koha?
14:26 safealloys    and vice-versa
14:27 oleonard      safealloys: I am not familiar with the features of proprietary library software, so I can't make any comparisons
14:28 safealloys    What the advantages in Koha?
14:28 oleonard      My fix for Bug 9957 has taken on some feature-creep: http://screencast.com/t/Oswi2iiCpf
14:28 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Missing cancel link on subfield editing page
14:28 safealloys    What of the advantages in Koha?
14:29 safealloys    What of the advantages in Koha over others?
14:30 safealloys    are you there?
14:31 oleonard      safealloys: I suggest you read about Koha at http://koha-community.org/ and in the Koha manual
14:31 oleonard      manual?
14:31 wahanui       hmmm... manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
14:31 safealloys    Cant we chat?
14:33 oleonard      If you have a specific question about Koha functionality I can try to answer
14:34 safealloys    I want to download it here on my system
14:34 safealloys    Laptop
14:37 oleonard      Koha can be installed on Linux-based systems, and is best installed via packages on Debian or Ubuntu.
14:40 gmcharlt      @quote random
14:40 huginn        gmcharlt: Quote #179: "oleonard: Linux people are the ones who spend the longest pulling on the door that says push ;) "But pushing is /better/!"" (added by wizzyrea at 09:03 PM, January 10, 2012)
14:43 druthb        @quote random
14:43 huginn        druthb: Quote #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick password" (added by owen at 12:38 PM, April 29, 2010)
14:56 kf            @quote random
14:56 huginn        kf: Quote #177: "oleonard: If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep." (added by wizzyrea at 04:43 PM, January 10, 2012)
14:57 oleonard      Am I the only one who talks around here? :P
14:57 drojf         @quote random
14:57 huginn        drojf: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with anew question????" (added by kf at 01:13 PM, June 12, 2009)
14:57 drojf         nope
15:02 * druthb      waves to oleonard and drojf'
15:02 drojf         hi druthb
15:16 oleonard      I am going to go Hulk on the next patch I see without a test plan.
15:16 oleonard      Bug status: HULK SMASHED.
15:19 * druthb      tries to picture this, and fails.
15:20 oleonard      Half of the 20 non-enhancement bugs awaiting signoff lack a test plan in the commit message.
15:20 druthb        !
15:30 kf            oleonard: note that on them :) in caps!
15:39 jcamins       kf: "Immer bereit" -- is that German?
15:40 jcamins       It might be spelled wrong.
15:40 drojf         are you asking if those are german words or if it makes sense?
15:40 kf            heh
15:40 kf            jcamins: always ready.
15:40 jcamins       drojf: the former, but I'd also be interested to know if it makes sense.
15:41 kf            and hello jcamins :)
15:41 jcamins       Hello. :)
15:41 * kf          is testing a brand new shiny package installed master installation right now
15:41 drojf         depends on the context, but "allzeit bereit" might make more sense
15:41 kf            and so far apart from some weird translations looks good
15:41 kf            jcamins: do you need a translation?
15:42 jcamins       drojf: it's transliterated from Russian.
15:42 kf            oh
15:42 kf            what#s the russian?
15:42 drojf         ah
15:42 jcamins       "Immer berait"
15:42 jcamins       Which isn't at all Russian-looking, and I thought it looked German. :)
15:42 kf            and always ready makes no sense?
15:42 kf            yeah, it does
15:42 jcamins       No, that makes perfect sense.
15:42 jcamins       I just wasn't certain it was German, and I wanted to be sure before I wrote that it was. ;)
15:43 kf            meh. patron category new button and authorized value new button are labelled the same
15:43 * kf          ponders filing another tiny bu
15:43 kf            g
15:43 jcamins       kf: don't they just say "New"?
15:43 kf            I am feeling very perfectionistic lately
15:43 kf            New category for both
15:43 kf            but I'd like to label one "neuer benutzertyp" and one "neue Kategorie"
15:43 jcamins       Ah.
15:44 jcamins       Eww.
15:44 * jcamins     likes the word "benutzertyp."
15:50 kf            ew
15:50 kf            I found a bug
15:52 jcamins       Another?!?
15:52 kf            what?
15:52 kf            you'd like better if we don't find them?
15:53 cabusmichael  Hi all
15:53 kf            bug 10011
15:53 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Branch limitiations are not saved on creating a new patron category
15:53 cabusmichael  I am a librarian interested in Koha, but we have a proprietary system
15:54 kf            that can be changed ;)
15:54 cabusmichael  I'm trying to find a way to connect with other librarians who have done it
15:54 cabusmichael  is there a good forum I can use to find them/
15:54 cabusmichael  ?
15:54 cabusmichael  I want to know specifically about data conversion
15:54 oleonard      mailing list?
15:54 kf            where are you located?
15:54 wahanui       mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
15:54 kf            yep and that
15:54 jcamins       cabusmichael: the mailing list might be a good choice.
15:54 cabusmichael  I'm in Philadelphia PA USA
15:54 kf            also the wiki might be helpful to find libraries in your area
15:54 kf            koha users?
15:54 reiveune      bye
15:54 kf            wiki?
15:54 wahanui       i heard wiki was http://wiki.koha-community.org
15:54 jcamins       koha users worldwide?
15:54 jcamins       international koha users?
15:55 kf            Koha users is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide
15:55 kf            Koha users?
15:55 wahanui       Koha users is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide
15:55 kf            sorry cabusmichael - not to confuse you - only teaching the bot
15:55 cabusmichael  Okay, I'll check the wiki...I've had it with SirsiDynix :)
15:55 kf            also lib web cats maybe
15:55 jcamins       cabusmichael: what type of library do you work for?
15:55 kf            it should be albe to research for libraries that left sirsi for koha there
15:56 cabusmichael  Academic
15:56 cabusmichael  Small academic
15:56 jcamins       Yeah, there've been a bunch of libraries that went Sirsi -> Koha.
15:56 druthb        cabusmichael:   There have been a *bunch* of them, and I did migrations on quite a few.
15:56 jcamins       libwebcats is a good idea.
15:56 cabusmichael  Awesome...good to know...
15:57 cabusmichael  A librarian here thinks the data conversion is impossible
15:57 cabusmichael  But others must have done it
15:57 druthb        They're dead wrong.
15:58 jcamins       Conversion is perfectly doable.
15:58 druthb        I've done it, a *lot*.  Serials and Acquisitions from SirsiDynix are a little hard, but the rest is *trivially* easy, once you have the know-how and tools.
15:58 cabusmichael  Awesome...I'll do some research...
16:03 nengard       hi cabusmichael>
16:04 nengard       cabusmichael druthb is right (and she's the expert) it can totally be done and has been done a ton of times
16:05 nengard       you might even look at lib-web-cats and do a search for libraries that switched from your product to Koha
16:21 cabusmichael  good idea; I really don't think it will cost 50K, which is what this person claimed :)
16:32 druthb        If you have SirsiDynix extract the data for you, you'll pay and pay and pay and pay—50K, plus your next child, an arm, three legs, and the pound of flesh nearest your heart.  But there are better—and cheaper—ways to do it.
16:40 Dyrcona       I missed the previous conversation. Which SirsiDynix product are we talking about?
16:40 * Dyrcona     has experience extracting data from Horizon.
16:40 jcamins       Dyrcona: I think all SD products lead to misery and attempts at extortion.
16:41 jcamins       ;)
16:41 Dyrcona       jcamins: Horizon is simple to get data out of because you have the database right there in either Sybase or MS SQLServer.
16:44 * Dyrcona     has shared some sample code via git for migrating from Horizon to Evergreen. I'll post the URL is anyone asks to look at it.
16:45 Dyrcona       I don't thing it would be simple to translate it to Koha, but the code to pull data from Horizon would likely not change.
16:47 kf            is printcirculationslips deprecated?
16:51 oleonard      Looks to me like it is
16:52 kf            sorry for filing so many bugs, but I have some time to spend on testing :)
16:52 kf            and i feel better if all werid things I find are documented somewhere
16:53 oleonard      Nobody is going to complain about new bug reports
16:53 * jcamins     might. :P
16:53 kf            jcamins: feel free to 3.14 them :)
16:55 kf            bug 10015 *hide*
16:55 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10015 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , UniqueItemFields could have link to database documentation
16:57 oleonard      jcamins: You're too young to be a curmudgeon
16:57 kf            curmudgeon?
16:57 oleonard      A grumpy person who complains about things
16:57 kf            ah... that might be too late to tell him *hides again*
16:59 jcamins       Definitely too late.
17:01 oleonard      Being RM leads to early curmudgeonation.
17:02 jcamins       Yup.
17:02 kf            we should add that quote
17:02 kf            I can't identify... suffering from nick-shortedness
17:03 * jcamins     can't identify because huginn says I don't know my password.
17:04 kf            heh
17:04 * kf          leaves :)
17:04 kf            bye all!
17:18 tcohen        oleonard, could u take a look at this?
17:18 tcohen        http://snag.gy/LonUk.jpg
17:18 tcohen        below the submit button, the line is longer if on check out tab
17:18 tcohen        it might be fixed already, using weekly packages for testing
17:19 oleonard      No, that's how it looks in master
17:20 oleonard      When autocomplete is turned on that field has a fixed width, but I'm not sure it's necessary with jQueryUI. It might be a relic of YUI
17:20 tcohen        besides that, everyone is delighted on how 3.12 looks !
17:21 jcamins       What am I looking at?
17:21 jcamins       Oh.
17:21 jcamins       I see.
17:33 tcohen        oleonard: i think i don't have autocomplete on
17:36 tcohen        nope, u where right
17:49 tcohen        jcamins, eythian, will we have fresher packages any time soon?
17:49 jcamins       tcohen: whenever eythian builds them.
17:59 * cait        waves
17:59 druthb        hi, cait!
18:05 cait          jcamins: do you want the new patch for ccsr ona new bug? (bug 8061 rtl languages)
18:05 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8061 major, P1 - high, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Koha's templates do not cope well with right-to-left languages
18:05 jcamins       cait: new bug, probably.
18:05 jcamins       Yeah.
18:05 jcamins       New bug.
18:08 cait          ok
18:08 cait          told him
18:21 bgkriegel     hi cait, I just wrote to him and told that
18:40 cait          bgkriegel: ah, he had mailed me :)
18:40 cait          but it won't hurt :)
18:40 bgkriegel     no :) He added Bug 10017
18:40 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10017 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Needs Signoff , Opac CCSR template do not cope well with right-to-left languages
18:41 cait          :)
18:55 another_peter Joubu: the enhancement patch that you have put on bug 6506 after QAing my patch seems to stand alone - wouldn't it be better as another bug?
18:55 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Failed QA , deleting patron history missing errors
19:11 another_peter in the OPAC, what is the conventional class to use for an error?
19:11 another_peter koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules$ grep -ri error * | grep -i class
19:11 another_peter reveals a horrible mixture of classes
19:12 oleonard      The error box is made with <div class="dialog alert"></div>
19:13 another_peter oleonard: thanks
19:14 another_peter it is worth raising a bug for the fact that opac-passwd.tt uses the non-existent "dialog error" class?
19:15 oleonard      Yes, unless you're already fixing something on that page
19:30 another_peter when I have a patch that has failed QA, do I submit a second patch, or amend the first one? The second one just changes a string.
19:30 cait          oleonard++ :)
19:30 cait          thank you! :)
19:30 jcamins       another_peter: if the first patch was signed off, submit a follow-up.
19:32 another_peter jcamins: thanks.
19:42 cait          @karma oleonard
19:42 huginn        cait: Karma for "oleonard" has been increased 669 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 664.
19:42 cait          :)
19:42 cait          @karma
19:42 huginn        cait: Highest karma: "rangi" (773), "oleonard" (664), and "jcamins" (537).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-102), and "-" (-69).  You (cait) are ranked 5 out of 2453.
19:42 oleonard      Decreased 5 times?!
19:42 * oleonard    shakes his fist
19:43 * cait        shakes her fist too
19:43 oleonard      :)
19:44 oleonard      Bug 10002 is interesting... I don't think it's possible to trigger the error message in question.
19:44 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10002 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Don't include line breaks in strings that are translated
19:45 oleonard      "X hold(s) for this record. Are you sure you want to delete this record?" You can't delete a record with items, and you can't delete all items on a record with holds.
19:45 oleonard      Maybe through item edit...
19:46 cait          not sure - but the translation didn't look right :)
19:46 oleonard      Oh yeah additem.pl doesn't care!
19:46 jcamins       cait: I need German help: "Merz 2: Nummer i" <-- is that German? And what does it mean if it is?
19:46 cait          hm
19:46 cait          maybe
19:46 cait          March 2
19:47 cait          Number i (or roman 1?)
19:47 jcamins       It's the letter 'i'.
19:47 jcamins       It's a funny pun, apparently.
19:47 cait          hm
19:47 jcamins       Every single word includes the letter 'i'.
19:47 cait          ah
19:47 cait          well
19:48 cait          don't know what you have there :)
19:48 jcamins       Something Dada. :P
19:55 cait          oleonard: are you going to fix all my bugs? :)
19:56 oleonard      Yes. ALL OF THEM!
20:00 oleonard      Bye #koha
20:15 cait          oh now I missed oleonard's departure :(
20:34 * wizzyrea    wave
20:36 jcamins       My favorite type! :)
20:37 wizzyrea      how is everyone today?
20:37 cait          your favourite type?
20:44 jcamins       cait: of wave. :)
20:47 druthb        Hi, wizzyrea!
20:47 * druthb      does the Wave.
20:48 cait          *wave*
21:40 wizzyrea      very quiet.
21:48 talljoy       o/ druthb
21:49 talljoy       guess i missed her.....silly internet connection
21:53 eythian       hi
21:53 eythian       google shut down wave, just so you know.
21:54 * wizzyrea    yawns
21:54 wizzyrea      google what?
21:54 wahanui       google is, like, not a web browser, it's a search engine company
21:58 eythian       no wahanui, google is not a web browser, it's an advertising company with a pretty good search engine.
21:58 wahanui       okay, eythian.
21:58 wizzyrea      also, people actually used wave?
21:58 eythian       I sis
21:58 eythian       did
21:58 wizzyrea      i used it for 15 minutes
21:58 wizzyrea      one time.
21:58 eythian       it was pretty cool, but didn't have a really strong use case
21:58 wizzyrea      what did you use it for?
21:58 wizzyrea      hah
21:58 eythian       I used it to manage a project I was doing once, to see how well it would work
21:58 wizzyrea      that was my feeling about it after 15 minutes.
21:58 eythian       it did that reasonably well
22:16 cait          night all :)
23:27 dcook         morning #koha