Time Nick Message 00:27 mtj dcook, have a go with znc, as a irc bouncer/proxy thingy -> http://wiki.znc.in/Installation 00:28 mtj its idiot-proof 00:29 dcook hehe 00:29 dcook mtj: I was looking at znc a little bit earlier 00:29 dcook Does look like a pretty straightforward install 00:30 dcook Not really sure where to run it though 00:30 dcook I thought about running it from home, but that server is more for fun/learning than anything, so I don't want to leave it on all the time 00:32 mtj yeah, finding a suitable box to run your always-on bouncer, can be a problem 00:35 mtj as wiz said… its a perfect little project for an rpi 00:36 mtj plug it into your home network - always on, low-power… just sits there doing its thing 00:36 dcook Hmmm...that's not a bad idea... 00:36 dcook I've been thinking about picking one up even just to use as a media centre 00:39 dcook Seems pretty common for people to run xbmc on it 00:47 jcamins wizzyrea, it occurs to me there is probably a severe performance penalty for remote stylesheets, but I haven't tried. 00:48 jcamins That struck me at 10k feet. 00:49 mtj jcamins, lets hope thats the only thing to strike you at 10k feet! 00:49 jcamins lol 00:49 jcamins Thankfully it was. 00:50 jcamins We are presently sittinf on the plane waiting for a gate to open in Atlanta. 00:50 mtj hmm, i can see how that might be a speed hit, jcamins :/ 00:50 jcamins Yay! We have a gate! 00:51 jcamins Yup. Round trip every query. 00:52 mtj hopefully some network caching, helping out there… but still :/ 00:53 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 00:55 dcook hey ya mtompset 00:55 mtompset Greetings, dcook. 01:01 dcook Back in Canada? 01:09 mtompset Yes. Back in my home and native land. :) 01:49 tweetbot [off] twitter: @KohaJenkins: "#kohails test test" 02:10 eythian wahanui: git tips is http://blog.apiaxle.com/post/handy-git-tips-to-stop-you-getting-fired/ 02:10 wahanui OK, eythian. 02:37 tweetbot [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "After 25 years NSW School libraries finally rise from DOS http://t.co/Ol4DLBGBuY via @theage #kohails" 02:42 * mtj goes on a little twitter RT bender... 02:42 rangi heh 03:59 eythian wahanui: oh no is <reply>http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif 03:59 wahanui ...but no is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg... 03:59 eythian wahanui: oh no is also <reply>http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif 03:59 wahanui okay, eythian. 04:00 wizzyrea oh no! 04:00 wizzyrea hm 04:00 wizzyrea oh no 04:00 wizzyrea oh no? 04:00 wahanui http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif 04:00 eythian I think it's too short to trigger normally 04:00 wizzyrea how about noooooooo 04:00 wizzyrea ah that made me laugh. 04:02 mtj yeah, that was flippin sweet 04:03 rangi what? 04:03 rangi hmmm 04:12 bag evening all 04:13 wizzyrea hmm? 04:21 dcook evening, bag 04:21 bag hey dcook 04:23 mtj rangi, the collasping gif ^^ 04:27 jcamins 00:25 and I am off the plane. I kind of wish we'd flown back earlier. 04:36 eythian where'd you go? 04:48 jcamins San Antonio for a wedding. 04:48 eythian ah right 04:49 eythian why is contactnote associated with the alt address, and not called altcontactnote like would make sense? 04:49 eythian I'd also quite like a "department" field for professional users. 04:50 jcamins To drive you batty? 04:50 wizzyrea I think dcook asked about that too 04:50 wizzyrea because it's the note, associated with the alternate contact 04:50 eythian jcamins: seems plausible 04:50 eythian wizzyrea: yes, associated with fields like "altcontactfirstname" :) 04:52 wizzyrea :) 04:52 wizzyrea I dind't say it was logical or rational 04:52 wizzyrea just that it is. 04:52 eythian yeah 04:52 eythian oh well 04:52 wizzyrea i wonder how many times I've said that in #koha 04:53 eythian fax => curry(\&literal, 'fax'), # Polio 04:53 eythian teehee 04:57 eythian bag: http://whiskyweb.co.uk/ 04:58 bag :) 05:04 dcook Hmm? 05:04 dcook Nothing like a fire alarm to give you a reason to stretch the legs 05:05 dcook eythian: Yeah...I wondered the same thing about contactnote. Still not a fan of that one... 05:05 dcook As for "department", we usually use sort1 or sort2 using authorized values and change of the template either using JQuery or a hard-coded change 05:06 eythian yeah. Could do with a revisit some time, that whole area. 05:06 eythian hmm, not a silly idea actually 05:06 eythian I was thinking of just using 'address' 05:07 dcook Agreed about the re-visit. A lot of the field names are counterintuitive like phonepro and phone being called primary phone and other phone 05:07 dcook Same with email addresses 05:08 dcook It's a bit inconsistent and confusing :/ 05:08 dcook I think the edit screen doesn't match the patron detail screen either... 05:08 * dcook should really split his commit and re-submit regarding that one... 05:08 eythian yeah 05:09 eythian it wouldn't be too hard to fix, either 05:10 dcook Well, Owen suggested that there was possibly a reason for it 05:10 * dcook rummages around for a minute 05:10 eythian there may have been, once upon a time 05:11 dcook bug 9383 05:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9383 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, In Discussion , Bad logic, missing params, and irregular labeling for Members scripts 05:11 dcook Ah, right. It also gets more complicated, based on the type of patron category... 05:11 dcook :S 05:12 dcook Oh wait, I think Owen was actually trying to start a discussion 05:12 eythian yeah, but not hugely 05:13 eythian > Maybe we should take a step back and try to isolate what differences are really necessary and what differences might have originated with some library's specific needs. 05:13 eythian yes, this 05:13 dcook mhm 05:16 dcook If I read my own notes correctly, the category_type conditions didn't actually work 05:16 dcook Because the category_type variable wasn't being passed to the template 05:16 dcook I suppose instead of fixing it, we could scrap it... 05:17 eythian they definitely do work 05:17 eythian but, they always used a slightly odd method 05:18 dcook Odd indeed 05:21 bag eythian: what did you think of the hobbit? 05:21 bag movie that is 05:21 bag :P 05:21 eythian It was pretty good, I thought 05:22 druthb o/ 05:23 druthb http://www.burpandfartpiano.com/ #oddest things end up in my Facebook timeline... 05:24 bag I thought that radagast was too much, and the white orc… 05:24 bag heya druthb 05:25 bag besides that I liked it… I thought PJ did change the burning trees part a little more than my imagination had built it 05:31 eythian yeah, there were bits I thought were a bit much, and it could have been a fair bit shorter. 05:32 dcook But then how could you get a proper PJ triology? :p 05:32 dcook trilogy* 05:37 eythian go to bed, cait 05:38 bag I'm still excited to see the next one though 05:39 eythian you have a while to wait :) 05:42 magnuse wtf? another 25 cm of snow during the night? 05:42 * magnuse waves resignedly 05:43 cait eythian: i think my boss wouldn't like that 05:43 cait morning all 05:43 eythian I wouldn't tell 05:45 dcook morning, cait 05:46 bag hey cait 05:46 cait eythian: thx, but I still better get ready for work :) 05:49 eythian > Staff 05:49 eythian > Patrons within the staff category will have access to the staff client. 05:49 eythian that's not quite right... 05:50 cait if you give them permissions... 05:51 dcook http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/noscript.html 05:51 dcook Garrr 05:51 eythian yeah, but AIUI, the category has no bearing on it at all 05:51 cait there was more about ti 05:52 cait hm 05:52 cait but probably not much left in the coe by now 05:55 dcook To clarify the "Garrr", it's the limit of elements that can contain noscript tags... 05:55 dcook 24 bugs? That doesn't sound right... 06:19 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 06:23 dcook At least it's not snowing? 06:26 bag @wunder 93102 06:26 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 13.0°C (11:22 PM PDT on April 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Rising). High Wind Warning in effect until 6 am PDT Tuesday... 06:26 bag yeah the wind last night was CRAZY… it was blowing through the palm trees - and it sounded like jet engines 06:26 bag I heard it got up to 130 mph just a little bit down the coast from us 06:26 dcook O_O 06:27 dcook We have a mango tree in our back yard, so any time the wind started up in the summer, we would hear some fairly regular "thumps" on the roof 06:27 bag HA 06:27 dcook A bit disconcerting the first few times until we figured it out ;) 06:27 dcook 130 mph? 06:27 dcook Sweet jesus... 06:27 cait dcook: no snow - quite spring like even with sun 06:28 dcook cait :) 06:28 bag yeah 130 mph 06:28 dcook What sort of damage happened? 06:28 bag our table umbrella was in the neighbors yard when we woke up 06:29 bag lots of trees down and palm fronds all over the place 06:29 bag but not a single palm tree was knocked down - those things are awesome in the wind 06:29 dcook Wow...that is rather remarkable 06:29 * dcook is pretty impressed by the palm tree in his front yard 06:30 dcook The thing practically lords over the rest of the yard 06:30 dcook At 130mph, I imagine houses must've had a rather rough go... 06:30 bag I think that's gusts 06:31 bag and it was a spot on the coast where there isn't really much to slow it down at all 06:31 bag around us about 20 miles north - we had some big gusts maybe about 80 or so - but nothing insane for damage - besides trees down... 06:31 dcook Ahhh, ok 06:31 bag but honestly I don't know or heard about major house damage 06:32 dcook When I was a kid, some of the stories were unreal 06:32 bag but the sound of the wind through the palm trees sounded like jet engines 06:32 bag and my car was blown around on the ride to work 06:32 dcook A town about an hour away from mine...street signs were bent in half by the wind 06:32 dcook Eeep! 06:32 bag the park I drive by everyday - there sign was gone 06:32 bag blew into the ocean 06:33 dcook Hope the environment never gets too angry at us... 06:33 dcook Or Nausicaa is going to look like a picnic in the park 06:34 bag ha 06:34 bag I think they have famous named winds here? like Santa Ana winds or something like that 06:34 bag @google santa ana winds 06:34 huginn bag: Santa Ana winds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana_winds>; Santa Anas: <http://meteora.ucsd.edu/cap/santa_ana.html>; The Santa Ana Winds | San Diego History Center: <http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/58january/santa.htm>; Santa Ana Winds FC!: <http://santaanawindsfc.com/>; The Santa Ana Winds: <http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/~fovell/ASother/mm5/SantaAna/>; (1 more message) 06:35 bag don't know if those last night were that 06:36 dcook Sounds rather intense in any case! 06:37 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 06:37 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Falling). 06:38 dcook I had forgotten what blue skies looked like 06:39 BobB will this be your first winter here dcook? 06:40 bag heya BobB 06:40 BobB heya bag 06:40 bag how's everything with you? 06:40 cait hi BobB :) 06:40 BobB ahh pretty busy 06:40 BobB hi cait 06:40 dcook hey, BobB. It'll be my first full winter, I think. I was here through to mid-August last year. 06:40 bag good and bad I guess :P 06:41 BobB its not really winter. I call it Not_Summer 06:41 dcook hehe 06:41 BobB We have two seasons: summer and not summer 06:41 bag hey BobB are you and irma thinking about coming to Reno for kohacon? 06:41 BobB April and October are transition months 06:41 BobB Yes we're thinking about it. 06:41 bag good good :) 06:42 BobB I have to come to the States in June for business, so its not certain we'll be back in October .. 06:42 bag if you are thinking of traveling afterwards - let me know - you both always have a spot to crash in Santa Barbara if you want to 06:42 BobB ... at least not both of us, 06:42 BobB but we'd sure like to 06:43 BobB Wow, very nice. Irma asks if you have a cat? (She likes cats.) 06:43 bag we have a dog 06:43 BobB Ahh, dogs are ok too. 06:43 bag but he doesn't shed 06:43 BobB At least they react. They are warm. 06:43 bag and he's super polite 06:44 BobB There's a saying, dogs have masters, cats have staff! 06:44 BobB Santa Barbara is not LA eh? 06:44 BobB Its north of? 06:44 bag the real attraction is Sonja (wicked nice and sweet) and Ginny 06:44 BobB lol 06:45 bag it's a little north about an hour and half by car 06:45 bag of LA 06:45 shalom anyone can help me on my KOHA acquisition issue here? 06:45 bag BobB: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPJquJaZdHZtXyspYGm7M7Q?feature=mhee 06:45 BobB I have to go to Las Vegas. There is almost nowhere I want to go less. 06:45 bag oh man Vegas… 06:46 bag that's about a 6 hour drive from here 06:46 bag but if you've got a fast car - 4.5 hours 06:46 BobB Just gorgeous. Love the hat! 06:46 cait shalom: normally just ask your question and someone will if they have an idea 06:47 shalom i have set AcqCreateItem at receiving an order, create ACQ framework, set 952 subfield 7 06:47 BobB anyway, chance to do Las Vegas and Reno in the same year. Why not? 06:47 dcook Gotta jet early today folks. Take care! 06:48 shalom but i can only get a blank box under the item label 06:48 BobB what browser are you using? 06:48 shalom ie 06:49 BobB Well, depending on the version, that could be the issue. 06:49 BobB Do you have Firefox? 06:49 reiveune hello 06:50 BobB hi reiveune 06:50 cait shalom: do you only have 7 in your ACQ framewrk? 06:51 shalom got it! thanks! i tried google chrome 06:51 cait shalom: you shoudl have a complete 952 with all subfiels and set some to hidden if you don't want to show them 06:51 cait ah :) 06:51 cait BobB++ 06:51 BobB :) 06:51 shalom thanks!!! 06:52 shalom :* 06:52 BobB yeah, in the staff client especially, its better to use Firefox or Chrome 06:52 shalom heehee, i've been looking up and down for a solution for months!!!! 06:52 cait bbl :) 06:53 shalom i'm so happy!!! thank you very much!!! 06:53 christophe_c hello 06:53 * BobB returns to his work 06:54 bag all in a days work for BobB 07:16 * magnuse waves 07:16 bag heya magnuse 07:16 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 07:17 magnuse at least bug #10000 has now been added, but not while i was making pizza 07:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt: sliip 07:18 magnuse and hi bag 07:19 magnuse wow, 130 mph = ~210 km/hour 07:20 magnuse ooh, 3.10 in colombia! 07:21 bag yeah magnuse intense 07:23 magnuse i experienced 200+ km/hour once, in greenland 07:24 magnuse we were supposed to fly home thenext day, and the first leg of the trip was by helicopter, but the wind was so strong against us that the helicopter got nowhere 07:24 bag oh man 07:25 kf wow 07:26 magnuse it was just shaking like crazy... 07:30 kf just... 07:35 gaetan_B hello 07:35 bag hey gaetan_B 07:35 wahanui well, gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons 07:35 kf hi gaetan_B - travelling? 07:41 bag alright night all 07:42 bag sleep well or enjoy the day you are starting 07:42 kf thx bag, sleep well 07:43 magnuse thanks bag - sleep tight! 08:03 gaetan_B hi bag, kf, not yet ;) getting ready to leave in a few hours now ! 08:04 kf :) 08:16 Dalian1 Hi, we started implementing Koha system and I don't know where to modify or add information in order to have two languages for OPAC and library staff interfaces. Can someone help me with this ? 08:17 kf install additional languages? 08:17 kf hm one second 08:18 Dalian1 plus English I want to have another language 08:19 Dalian1 from where ? I checked quickly the User Manuel but no clue about this issue. 08:20 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client 08:20 kf you need to run a script on command line to install the language 08:20 kf then you can activate it in the system preferences 08:33 Dalian1 Great. I will try this thanks for your prompt reply. 09:01 vfernandes hi :) 09:03 vfernandes two questions people 09:04 vfernandes 1 - Its possible to charge a patron on the first overdue day, and then after 5 days, 10 days, 15 days (charge with a interval of 5 days)? 09:04 kf vfernandes: difficult question 09:05 kf currently not, because when you give grace 0 with interval 5 09:05 kf it will charge the first time after 5 days (implicit grace period) 09:05 kf but it might work better in 3.12 with the new pref kyle did 09:05 kf I didn't have a chance to take a look at that yet tho 09:05 vfernandes so isn't possible... 09:05 kf look at bug 9768 09:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9768 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Problem with grace period calculation and fine intervals >1 09:06 vfernandes ok thanks... 09:07 vfernandes the only way I see to workaround the problem is to charge after 5 days and then create a manual invoce 09:10 kf vfernandes: not sure I understand you 09:11 kf the problem in your description is the charge the day after overdue 09:11 vfernandes yes... 09:11 kf that only works with fine interval 1 09:11 vfernandes don't worry kf... I already let know the client that isn't possible 09:12 vfernandes :) 09:12 kf oh ok 09:13 vfernandes sometimes we need to say "NO" to the clients.... ehehe 09:13 kf yeah... I am known to be not too good at that :) 09:15 vfernandes second question (tricky one) 09:16 vfernandes i'm doing a update from 2.2.8 to 3.0.... everything worked fine with biblio, but with authorities not, because move_marc_to_authheader.pl script is only for UNIMARC 09:16 vfernandes so I need to change the script 09:17 vfernandes in UNIMARC field 100 and 152 (type of authority) is filled automatically by the script, in MARC21 which should be the default fields? 09:21 kf hm not sure really 09:21 kf i am not sure what it does and what the fields in unimarc are 09:23 vfernandes UNIMARC field 100 - Geral processing data 09:23 vfernandes UNIMARC field 152 - Rules (normally to insert the authority type) 09:36 kf sorry, I don't knwo how that works 09:54 vfernandes the problem is that move_marc_to_authheader.pl only works to UNIMARC 10:07 * gaetan_B is off to Kurdistan! bye! 10:22 tweetbot [off] twitter: @anitsirk: "I'm #204 in #kohails http://t.co/bNQz1fvmYE thanks for telling me, @ranginui" 10:38 tweetbot [off] twitter: @jransom: "Holy moly - well done #bywater RT @hbraum: Wow congrats TLC http://t.co/TYNbnb2cjs #kohails" 11:12 kf @wunder Konstanz 11:12 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0°C (1:00 PM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa (Falling). 11:12 kf from sun to rain... 11:38 magnuse bonjour khall 11:38 magnuse @wunder boo 11:38 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (1:20 PM CEST on April 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 11:38 khall good morning magnuse! 11:38 magnuse :-) 11:41 magnuse cool, one of my customers started using "quote of the day" 1.5 days after being upgraded to 3.10.x :-) 12:08 drojf good day #koha 12:11 magnuse moin drojf 12:11 drojf hei magnuse 12:19 oleonard Hi #koha 12:20 magnuse hiya oleonard 12:22 drojf hi oleonard 12:23 magnuse hiya Viktor 12:26 Viktor Hi magnuse 12:28 * kf waves 12:28 kf oleonard: did you see my comment? 12:29 oleonard Where? 12:29 kf I passed qa on the circ datatables 12:29 kf and I noticed that I was testing it wrong all the time :( 12:29 kf the date sorting problem is on the details tab 12:29 oleonard Oh yes I did see that 12:29 oleonard And there is already a bug report for the details tab sort 12:29 kf wonderful :) 12:31 oleonard kf: I'm going to set Bug 9905 back to "signed off" so that you can test it again with 9887 applied. Is that okay? 12:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on calendar page 12:31 kf oleonard: of course :) 12:32 kf you can leave a note too: test with 9887 stupid ;) 12:32 kf oleonard: can I get some native speaker advice too? 12:32 oleonard Sure 12:32 kf serials subscriptions or serial subscriptions? 12:33 oleonard I think serials, but get another opinion too. jcamins maybe? 12:33 oleonard Or nengard? 12:33 wahanui i guess nengard is fast 12:33 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "can anyone tell me why each line is duplicated in this report? I want overdues with the fines owed" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/465 12:33 nengard (actually if we're doing wishlist - I want overdues with fines owed more than $100 total) 12:34 nengard I missed the discussion .. .what can I help with ... reading back 12:34 kf one sec 12:34 kf uploading screenshot 12:35 kf [off] http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/serialsearch.png 12:35 kf serials subscriptions or serial subscriptions? :) 12:35 kf and also, the first tab - Ithink should be open? (not past?) 12:36 nengard Hmmm 12:36 nengard I think it could go both ways 12:36 nengard I'm okay with it staying the way it is 12:37 kf which one? 12:37 kf both? 12:37 wahanui both are doing fine 12:38 nengard Serials Subscriptions 12:38 nengard it can stay that way - but Serial Subscriptions is also right - that's why I said it could go both ways 12:38 kf ok 12:38 kf what about opened? 12:38 nengard No, that should be 'Open' 12:39 kf hm ok 12:39 nengard They are currently Open 12:39 kf yeah, that's what I was thinking 12:39 kf I will file a tiny bug 12:40 nengard kf do you have any suggestions for my report question above? It got lost in this discussion 12:40 kf i took a look at it 12:40 kf but I am not seeing it 12:41 kf i mean the probem 12:41 kf both lines are totally identical? 12:42 * kf is on a mission to file bug 11000 for oleonard to fix ;) 12:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11000 was not found. 12:43 oleonard What, before Bug 7000? 12:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , show home and holding branch on staff search results 12:48 tcohen morning #koha 12:49 tcohen hi magnuse 13:03 magnuse hiya tcohen 13:08 oleonard kf: 9887 is Passed QA? 13:08 magnuse bug 9887 13:08 wahanui i heard bug 9887 was relentless. 13:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page 13:17 tcohen magnuse, did you get my answer for bug 10003 13:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide bash-completion 13:18 magnuse yup 13:18 magnuse very cool 13:18 magnuse i actually did not know you could do tab complete on command line switches... 13:19 tcohen ;) 13:21 magnuse kia ora druthb and NateC 13:23 druthb kia ora magnuse 13:24 kf oleonard: shouldn't it be? 13:24 oleonard It's not marked as such 13:25 kf oleonard: ah, git bz playing games with me 13:25 kf i marked it from git bz - then I added the comment. sometimes the status pull down has the old value then and it gets changed 13:26 drojf does the -D parameter for build-git-snapshot have no effect or is that just me? when i put -D squeeze i get --force-distribution -D "squeeze-dev" anyway? 13:26 kf oleonard: sorry for 10001 - picked the wrong module 13:26 oleonard That's okay 13:26 kf hm but frederic is also wrong 13:26 kf shouldn't it be ruth now? 13:27 oleonard I don't know that druthb volunteered to be a default assignee in Bugzilla 13:27 kf oleonard: I was thinkig because of translations, but it's probably all ok 13:28 druthb I did, for I18N/L10N stuff. 13:28 magnuse drojf: i never tried -D, sorry 13:28 kf druthb: did you get 10.001? 13:28 druthb I've not gotten any email yet, no. 13:28 kf hm not sure who can change it, probably rangi 13:28 kf if you wanted to be default cc for i18n 13:30 kf oleonard: do I have to speak up for my keyboard one? you kept the icon in your patch on my request, not sure if you want to do a new patch 13:30 kf and talking about icons, sorry 13:30 kf bit too busy here :) 13:30 oleonard I don't want to do a new patch if I don't have to :) 13:30 drojf magnuse: i just changed the default values last time and forgot about it, but that does not seem like the straight forward way to do it ;) 13:30 kf oleonard: ok :) 13:41 drojf yay, harddisk full while building package. every. damn. time. 13:43 kf i guess 'don't build packages then' wuld not be a good advice 13:44 drojf no. "use your brain, use the right vm and don't collect so much garbage on your harddisk" might be a concept to follow. next time ;) 13:44 kf ok 13:44 kf I will make a note 13:45 drojf :) 14:24 safealloys hi 14:25 safealloys hello 14:25 oleonard Hello safealloys 14:25 safealloys How is Koha so far addressing library needs? 14:25 oleonard Quite well thank you 14:26 safealloys Ok 14:26 safealloys can you share with me Advantages that a licensed software has over Koha? 14:26 safealloys and vice-versa 14:27 oleonard safealloys: I am not familiar with the features of proprietary library software, so I can't make any comparisons 14:28 safealloys What the advantages in Koha? 14:28 oleonard My fix for Bug 9957 has taken on some feature-creep: http://screencast.com/t/Oswi2iiCpf 14:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Missing cancel link on subfield editing page 14:28 safealloys What of the advantages in Koha? 14:29 safealloys What of the advantages in Koha over others? 14:30 safealloys are you there? 14:31 oleonard safealloys: I suggest you read about Koha at http://koha-community.org/ and in the Koha manual 14:31 oleonard manual? 14:31 wahanui hmmm... manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 14:31 safealloys Cant we chat? 14:33 oleonard If you have a specific question about Koha functionality I can try to answer 14:34 safealloys I want to download it here on my system 14:34 safealloys Laptop 14:37 oleonard Koha can be installed on Linux-based systems, and is best installed via packages on Debian or Ubuntu. 14:40 gmcharlt @quote random 14:40 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #179: "oleonard: Linux people are the ones who spend the longest pulling on the door that says push ;) "But pushing is /better/!"" (added by wizzyrea at 09:03 PM, January 10, 2012) 14:43 druthb @quote random 14:43 huginn druthb: Quote #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick password" (added by owen at 12:38 PM, April 29, 2010) 14:56 kf @quote random 14:56 huginn kf: Quote #177: "oleonard: If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep." (added by wizzyrea at 04:43 PM, January 10, 2012) 14:57 oleonard Am I the only one who talks around here? :P 14:57 drojf @quote random 14:57 huginn drojf: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with anew question????" (added by kf at 01:13 PM, June 12, 2009) 14:57 drojf nope 15:02 * druthb waves to oleonard and drojf' 15:02 drojf hi druthb 15:16 oleonard I am going to go Hulk on the next patch I see without a test plan. 15:16 oleonard Bug status: HULK SMASHED. 15:19 * druthb tries to picture this, and fails. 15:20 oleonard Half of the 20 non-enhancement bugs awaiting signoff lack a test plan in the commit message. 15:20 druthb ! 15:30 kf oleonard: note that on them :) in caps! 15:39 jcamins kf: "Immer bereit" -- is that German? 15:40 jcamins It might be spelled wrong. 15:40 drojf are you asking if those are german words or if it makes sense? 15:40 kf heh 15:40 kf jcamins: always ready. 15:40 jcamins drojf: the former, but I'd also be interested to know if it makes sense. 15:41 kf and hello jcamins :) 15:41 jcamins Hello. :) 15:41 * kf is testing a brand new shiny package installed master installation right now 15:41 drojf depends on the context, but "allzeit bereit" might make more sense 15:41 kf and so far apart from some weird translations looks good 15:41 kf jcamins: do you need a translation? 15:42 jcamins drojf: it's transliterated from Russian. 15:42 kf oh 15:42 kf what#s the russian? 15:42 drojf ah 15:42 jcamins "Immer berait" 15:42 jcamins Which isn't at all Russian-looking, and I thought it looked German. :) 15:42 kf and always ready makes no sense? 15:42 kf yeah, it does 15:42 jcamins No, that makes perfect sense. 15:42 jcamins I just wasn't certain it was German, and I wanted to be sure before I wrote that it was. ;) 15:43 kf meh. patron category new button and authorized value new button are labelled the same 15:43 * kf ponders filing another tiny bu 15:43 kf g 15:43 jcamins kf: don't they just say "New"? 15:43 kf I am feeling very perfectionistic lately 15:43 kf New category for both 15:43 kf but I'd like to label one "neuer benutzertyp" and one "neue Kategorie" 15:43 jcamins Ah. 15:44 jcamins Eww. 15:44 * jcamins likes the word "benutzertyp." 15:50 kf ew 15:50 kf I found a bug 15:52 jcamins Another?!? 15:52 kf what? 15:52 kf you'd like better if we don't find them? 15:53 cabusmichael Hi all 15:53 kf bug 10011 15:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Branch limitiations are not saved on creating a new patron category 15:53 cabusmichael I am a librarian interested in Koha, but we have a proprietary system 15:54 kf that can be changed ;) 15:54 cabusmichael I'm trying to find a way to connect with other librarians who have done it 15:54 cabusmichael is there a good forum I can use to find them/ 15:54 cabusmichael ? 15:54 cabusmichael I want to know specifically about data conversion 15:54 oleonard mailing list? 15:54 kf where are you located? 15:54 wahanui mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 15:54 kf yep and that 15:54 jcamins cabusmichael: the mailing list might be a good choice. 15:54 cabusmichael I'm in Philadelphia PA USA 15:54 kf also the wiki might be helpful to find libraries in your area 15:54 kf koha users? 15:54 reiveune bye 15:54 kf wiki? 15:54 wahanui i heard wiki was http://wiki.koha-community.org 15:54 jcamins koha users worldwide? 15:54 jcamins international koha users? 15:55 kf Koha users is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide 15:55 kf Koha users? 15:55 wahanui Koha users is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide 15:55 kf sorry cabusmichael - not to confuse you - only teaching the bot 15:55 cabusmichael Okay, I'll check the wiki...I've had it with SirsiDynix :) 15:55 kf also lib web cats maybe 15:55 jcamins cabusmichael: what type of library do you work for? 15:55 kf it should be albe to research for libraries that left sirsi for koha there 15:56 cabusmichael Academic 15:56 cabusmichael Small academic 15:56 jcamins Yeah, there've been a bunch of libraries that went Sirsi -> Koha. 15:56 druthb cabusmichael: There have been a *bunch* of them, and I did migrations on quite a few. 15:56 jcamins libwebcats is a good idea. 15:56 cabusmichael Awesome...good to know... 15:57 cabusmichael A librarian here thinks the data conversion is impossible 15:57 cabusmichael But others must have done it 15:57 druthb They're dead wrong. 15:58 jcamins Conversion is perfectly doable. 15:58 druthb I've done it, a *lot*. Serials and Acquisitions from SirsiDynix are a little hard, but the rest is *trivially* easy, once you have the know-how and tools. 15:58 cabusmichael Awesome...I'll do some research... 16:03 nengard hi cabusmichael> 16:04 nengard cabusmichael druthb is right (and she's the expert) it can totally be done and has been done a ton of times 16:05 nengard you might even look at lib-web-cats and do a search for libraries that switched from your product to Koha 16:21 cabusmichael good idea; I really don't think it will cost 50K, which is what this person claimed :) 16:32 druthb If you have SirsiDynix extract the data for you, you'll pay and pay and pay and pay—50K, plus your next child, an arm, three legs, and the pound of flesh nearest your heart. But there are better—and cheaper—ways to do it. 16:40 Dyrcona I missed the previous conversation. Which SirsiDynix product are we talking about? 16:40 * Dyrcona has experience extracting data from Horizon. 16:40 jcamins Dyrcona: I think all SD products lead to misery and attempts at extortion. 16:41 jcamins ;) 16:41 Dyrcona jcamins: Horizon is simple to get data out of because you have the database right there in either Sybase or MS SQLServer. 16:44 * Dyrcona has shared some sample code via git for migrating from Horizon to Evergreen. I'll post the URL is anyone asks to look at it. 16:45 Dyrcona I don't thing it would be simple to translate it to Koha, but the code to pull data from Horizon would likely not change. 16:47 kf is printcirculationslips deprecated? 16:51 oleonard Looks to me like it is 16:52 kf sorry for filing so many bugs, but I have some time to spend on testing :) 16:52 kf and i feel better if all werid things I find are documented somewhere 16:53 oleonard Nobody is going to complain about new bug reports 16:53 * jcamins might. :P 16:53 kf jcamins: feel free to 3.14 them :) 16:55 kf bug 10015 *hide* 16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10015 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , UniqueItemFields could have link to database documentation 16:57 oleonard jcamins: You're too young to be a curmudgeon 16:57 kf curmudgeon? 16:57 oleonard A grumpy person who complains about things 16:57 kf ah... that might be too late to tell him *hides again* 16:59 jcamins Definitely too late. 17:01 oleonard Being RM leads to early curmudgeonation. 17:02 jcamins Yup. 17:02 kf we should add that quote 17:02 kf I can't identify... suffering from nick-shortedness 17:03 * jcamins can't identify because huginn says I don't know my password. 17:04 kf heh 17:04 * kf leaves :) 17:04 kf bye all! 17:18 tcohen oleonard, could u take a look at this? 17:18 tcohen http://snag.gy/LonUk.jpg 17:18 tcohen below the submit button, the line is longer if on check out tab 17:18 tcohen it might be fixed already, using weekly packages for testing 17:19 oleonard No, that's how it looks in master 17:20 oleonard When autocomplete is turned on that field has a fixed width, but I'm not sure it's necessary with jQueryUI. It might be a relic of YUI 17:20 tcohen besides that, everyone is delighted on how 3.12 looks ! 17:21 jcamins What am I looking at? 17:21 jcamins Oh. 17:21 jcamins I see. 17:33 tcohen oleonard: i think i don't have autocomplete on 17:36 tcohen nope, u where right 17:49 tcohen jcamins, eythian, will we have fresher packages any time soon? 17:49 jcamins tcohen: whenever eythian builds them. 17:59 * cait waves 17:59 druthb hi, cait! 18:05 cait jcamins: do you want the new patch for ccsr ona new bug? (bug 8061 rtl languages) 18:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8061 major, P1 - high, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Koha's templates do not cope well with right-to-left languages 18:05 jcamins cait: new bug, probably. 18:05 jcamins Yeah. 18:05 jcamins New bug. 18:08 cait ok 18:08 cait told him 18:21 bgkriegel hi cait, I just wrote to him and told that 18:40 cait bgkriegel: ah, he had mailed me :) 18:40 cait but it won't hurt :) 18:40 bgkriegel no :) He added Bug 10017 18:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10017 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Needs Signoff , Opac CCSR template do not cope well with right-to-left languages 18:41 cait :) 18:55 another_peter Joubu: the enhancement patch that you have put on bug 6506 after QAing my patch seems to stand alone - wouldn't it be better as another bug? 18:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Failed QA , deleting patron history missing errors 19:11 another_peter in the OPAC, what is the conventional class to use for an error? 19:11 another_peter koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules$ grep -ri error * | grep -i class 19:11 another_peter reveals a horrible mixture of classes 19:12 oleonard The error box is made with <div class="dialog alert"></div> 19:13 another_peter oleonard: thanks 19:14 another_peter it is worth raising a bug for the fact that opac-passwd.tt uses the non-existent "dialog error" class? 19:15 oleonard Yes, unless you're already fixing something on that page 19:30 another_peter when I have a patch that has failed QA, do I submit a second patch, or amend the first one? The second one just changes a string. 19:30 cait oleonard++ :) 19:30 cait thank you! :) 19:30 jcamins another_peter: if the first patch was signed off, submit a follow-up. 19:32 another_peter jcamins: thanks. 19:42 cait @karma oleonard 19:42 huginn cait: Karma for "oleonard" has been increased 669 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 664. 19:42 cait :) 19:42 cait @karma 19:42 huginn cait: Highest karma: "rangi" (773), "oleonard" (664), and "jcamins" (537). Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-102), and "-" (-69). You (cait) are ranked 5 out of 2453. 19:42 oleonard Decreased 5 times?! 19:42 * oleonard shakes his fist 19:43 * cait shakes her fist too 19:43 oleonard :) 19:44 oleonard Bug 10002 is interesting... I don't think it's possible to trigger the error message in question. 19:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10002 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Don't include line breaks in strings that are translated 19:45 oleonard "X hold(s) for this record. Are you sure you want to delete this record?" You can't delete a record with items, and you can't delete all items on a record with holds. 19:45 oleonard Maybe through item edit... 19:46 cait not sure - but the translation didn't look right :) 19:46 oleonard Oh yeah additem.pl doesn't care! 19:46 jcamins cait: I need German help: "Merz 2: Nummer i" <-- is that German? And what does it mean if it is? 19:46 cait hm 19:46 cait maybe 19:46 cait March 2 19:47 cait Number i (or roman 1?) 19:47 jcamins It's the letter 'i'. 19:47 jcamins It's a funny pun, apparently. 19:47 cait hm 19:47 jcamins Every single word includes the letter 'i'. 19:47 cait ah 19:47 cait well 19:48 cait don't know what you have there :) 19:48 jcamins Something Dada. :P 19:55 cait oleonard: are you going to fix all my bugs? :) 19:56 oleonard Yes. ALL OF THEM! 20:00 oleonard Bye #koha 20:15 cait oh now I missed oleonard's departure :( 20:34 * wizzyrea wave 20:36 jcamins My favorite type! :) 20:37 wizzyrea how is everyone today? 20:37 cait your favourite type? 20:44 jcamins cait: of wave. :) 20:47 druthb Hi, wizzyrea! 20:47 * druthb does the Wave. 20:48 cait *wave* 21:40 wizzyrea very quiet. 21:48 talljoy o/ druthb 21:49 talljoy guess i missed her.....silly internet connection 21:53 eythian hi 21:53 eythian google shut down wave, just so you know. 21:54 * wizzyrea yawns 21:54 wizzyrea google what? 21:54 wahanui google is, like, not a web browser, it's a search engine company 21:58 eythian no wahanui, google is not a web browser, it's an advertising company with a pretty good search engine. 21:58 wahanui okay, eythian. 21:58 wizzyrea also, people actually used wave? 21:58 eythian I sis 21:58 eythian did 21:58 wizzyrea i used it for 15 minutes 21:58 wizzyrea one time. 21:58 eythian it was pretty cool, but didn't have a really strong use case 21:58 wizzyrea what did you use it for? 21:58 wizzyrea hah 21:58 eythian I used it to manage a project I was doing once, to see how well it would work 21:58 wizzyrea that was my feeling about it after 15 minutes. 21:58 eythian it did that reasonably well 22:16 cait night all :) 23:27 dcook morning #koha