IRC log for #koha, 2013-04-08

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00:17 eythian jcamins: what'd I do?
00:19 wizzyrea hi CanuckPaul
00:21 CanuckPaul Hi - is that Liz - paul.a here (absolutely new to IRC)
00:21 wizzyrea :)
00:21 wizzyrea you found me out.
00:21 CanuckPaul a wild guess
00:22 * wizzyrea thought it might be you
00:22 CanuckPaul what do italics mean?
00:22 wizzyrea it's an action, more or less
00:22 wizzyrea you can do it by typing /me
00:22 wizzyrea and then the thing you do
00:22 wizzyrea like /me makes a sandwich
00:22 wizzyrea turns into
00:22 * dcook waves to CanuckPaul
00:22 * wizzyrea makes a sandwich
00:24 CanuckPaul Is that David fro down-under (sometimes on MarcEdit?
00:25 * CanuckPaul I'll have to get used to all this
00:25 wizzyrea ah it'll be 2nd nature soon enough :)
00:25 wizzyrea CanuckPaul: are you going to KohaCon?
00:26 CanuckPaul Love to, but rarely travel these days -- too long in the tooth
00:27 dcook CanuckPaul: This is the CanuckDavid who just happens to live and work down under ;). Haven't used MarcEdit in a while
00:27 CanuckPaul At least you're missing the snow!
00:28 dcook I hear it's been a rather bizarre winter!
00:28 dcook I think it's still snowing in Saskatchewan
00:28 wizzyrea worst drought in 100 years here
00:29 CanuckPaul Ours is meting now - and the first crocusses (croci?) are beginning to sprout
00:29 CanuckPaul *melting*
00:29 CanuckPaul Neat - *bold*
00:31 dcook wizzyrea: :(
00:32 wizzyrea yea, the moisture is all topsy turvy
00:32 wizzyrea too much or too little in weird places.
00:32 dcook Are you in Picton, CanuckPaul?
00:33 CanuckPaul Yup -- "The County"
00:36 dcook Mustn't be too bad ;)
00:36 dcook Being a (mid-)Westerner, we used to tease Easterners (aside from Maritimers, of course) about winter
00:37 CanuckPaul We get a lot of "lake effect" - either too much or none
00:38 CanuckPaul What's the etiquette for gracefully quitting? Now coming up supper time
00:38 wizzyrea ah, just say "later!" and log :)
00:38 wizzyrea think of it like exiting a room full of friends
00:39 wizzyrea "gotta jet, dinner!"
00:39 jcamins eythian: "Java port"
00:39 CanuckPaul c u l8er - best - paul
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00:44 thd rangi: Are you present?
00:44 rangi for some definition yes
00:45 thd rangi: I have no mail from the Koha list this month at kohalist AT
00:46 rangi yep, ive asked
00:46 thd asked?
00:46 thd Do you mean no one has mail?
00:46 jcamins !jenkins build Koha_master now
00:46 jenkins_koha jcamins: job Koha_master build scheduled now
00:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #1137 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1135 7 hr 7 min ago)
00:47 rangi yes, working on finding out why, its probably all buffered somewhere
00:48 thd As long as it is not just me I am more reassured.
00:48 * jcamins looks at this as a blessing: the over-long version number discussion is only going on on one mailing list.
00:48 thd I was banned a few years ago after a server outage resulted in bounces.
00:49 thd Thanks rangi
00:53 * thd goes to sleep for the first time in three days.
00:55 eythian jcamins: ah :)
01:57 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
01:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1137: FIXED in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1137/
01:58 wizzyrea confetti
01:58 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
01:58 dcook For a minute, I thought that read "jcamins: Yippie, build fixed!"
01:58 dcook I can't imagine jcamins saying yippie :p
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02:47 thanhthuy Excuseme!
02:48 thanhthuy Can I set up Koha on Window server 2003?
02:48 eythian Koha really only works on Linux.
02:48 wizzyrea you can in a virtual machine.
02:49 wizzyrea but see above.
02:53 rangi (as a server that is, the client is of course just a web browser)
02:54 wizzyrea right, thanhthuy - which did you mean, can you run the koha server on windows server 2003, or "can I use the web interface on windows server 2003"
02:58 gmcharlt @quote random
02:58 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #229: "rangi: relax, I signed it off :)" (added by wizzyrea at 08:59 PM, January 02, 2013)
02:58 wizzyrea hehehehehe\
03:01 rangi i wonder what that was about
03:03 eythian rangi: bug 7919
03:03 wahanui bug 7919 is, like, an example
03:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7919 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Display of values depending on the connexion library (authorised values, patron categories, extended attributes)
03:03 rangi ah right
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03:10 mtj i just clicked… its been a while since ive seen a tweet on #koha
03:13 rangi heh
03:14 mtj i think i may have had alohabot and tweetbot using the same sqllite3 file, oops
03:14 eythian heh
03:14 eythian not ideal
03:23 gmcharlt @later tell jcamins I've started testing and pushing QAed bugfixes to master for you to pick for 3.12
03:23 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
03:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'origin/new/bug_8770' <[…]1f2b6894fefbacf9d> / Bug 8770 - amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or... <[…]c5e6dd6c9dd24ca79>
03:24 thanhthuy can I run the koha sever that use to manage information at the library on windows server 2003
03:25 rangi if you run it as a virtual machine yes
03:25 rangi using vmware or some other tool
03:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #1138 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
03:29 jcamins gmcharlt: thanks.
03:30 eythian ah, the koha list has started to move
03:33 thanhthuy thanks!
03:38 wizzyrea hah, always funny when you see a message that you forgot you wrote.
03:38 wizzyrea "oh hey, i'm funny!"
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03:44 wizzyrea no, back to bed with you
03:45 wizzyrea it is far too early for you.
03:49 cait lol
03:49 cait whom are you talkin with?
03:50 wizzyrea YOU.
03:51 * cait looks behind her if there is someone names you
03:51 * dcook used to work with a girl named Yuu :p
03:51 dcook O_O
03:51 dcook 5:48am?
03:51 cait *rolleyes*
03:51 * cait pretends to go back to bed
03:52 wizzyrea smarties.
03:53 * wizzyrea sings cait a soothing lullaby
03:53 wizzyrea sorry not_cait
03:53 not_cait lol that is mean
03:54 wizzyrea
04:19 * not_cait is still awake
04:20 not_cait and soft kitty is only for when I am sick!
04:20 wizzyrea
04:21 wizzyrea you won't be after listening to this.
04:23 * wizzyrea should have lead with that one.
04:23 not_cait well... your evil plan failed... I can't watch this
04:23 wizzyrea ! why~
04:23 wizzyrea not in your country?
04:23 not_cait noone in germany can
04:23 wizzyrea hrmph.
04:23 wizzyrea wait, for what reason?
04:23 not_cait copyright
04:24 wizzyrea youtube or ... something else that I'm not aware of.
04:24 wizzyrea ok
04:24 not_cait you can ask rangi how he calls it
04:24 wizzyrea[…]tion/4DKYEp?src=5
04:24 rangi GEMA its redonkulous
04:24 wizzyrea how about that one
04:25 not_cait you are aware that it is my normal get up time by now?
04:28 eythian Germany is the among the most censored countries in the world thanks to GEMA
04:29 * not_cait sighs
04:29 eythian that's no excuse for being up so much before it
04:33 wizzyrea ^^^^^^^^ what he said
04:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1138: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1138/
04:34 jenkins_koha Kyle M Hall: Bug 8770 - amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits
04:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8770 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Passed QA , amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits
04:37 * not_cait should stop watch news in the morning :(
04:42 eythian is it all terrible?
04:42 not_cait in part
04:47 not_cait so how is monday?
04:48 wizzyrea today has actually felt alright :) I think it will improve.
04:49 not_cait good to know
04:49 wizzyrea (and by improve, I mean, for those of you for whom it has started out kind of crap.)
05:17 not_cait hm
05:17 dcook mhm
05:19 not_cait hi dcook
05:19 dcook hey ya not_cait
05:19 dcook Good morning so far?
05:20 not_cait yep
05:20 not_cait avoiding learning math... so my apartment is very tidy now
05:21 dcook hehe
05:21 dcook So that's the secret to having a tidy apartment
05:21 not_cait yep
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06:11 * magnuse waves
06:12 not_cait morning magnuse :)
06:14 magnuse KIA ORA not_cait!
06:14 not_cait ;)
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06:29 mtj kia ora magnuse and cait
06:29 magnuse hiya mtj
06:29 mtj just reading bug 8378
06:30 cait hi mtj
06:30 cait bug 8378
06:30 cait wahanui?
06:30 wahanui cait?
06:30 magnuse bug 8378
06:31 mtj hmm, its huginn that does the bugs, yeah?
06:31 * mtj tickles huginn
06:31 magnuse ah right
06:32 cait ah yes
06:32 mtj[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378
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06:32 huginn Bug 8378: major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
06:32 cait mtj: hope there is nothing wrong with it?
06:32 mtj no no… everything is right with it :)
06:32 murali hello everyone....... I am new to Koha.......
06:33 murali i want to customize it to our library
06:33 murali can anyone please help me
06:33 murali thanks in advance
06:33 mtj hi murali, and welcome :)
06:33 cait murali: a good starting point is here
06:34 cait manual?
06:34 wahanui i heard manual was at
06:35 murali actually i have installed it on my server.........
06:35 murali does this documentation help me how to customize it?
06:35 cait it will help you to configure koha
06:35 cait and make use of the features
06:36 cait it will also point out how to add content to the opac and which preferences oyu can use to change the layout
06:36 murali ok thanq.........
06:37 murali can you also please provide a tutorial to change the functionalities too
06:38 cait murali: same link
06:38 cait look through it
06:39 cait and what you can't find you can ask
06:39 murali ok thanq so much...............
06:39 murali for evry one
06:39 murali i will be on that work and if i get any doubts will ask u people
06:39 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:39 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.2°C (8:35 AM CEST on April 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
06:39 magnuse @wunder boo
06:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 08, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
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06:40 cait bbl
06:40 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:40 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 9.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
06:40 reiveune hello
06:40 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:41 mtj hi reiveune
06:41 reiveune :)
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06:57 alex_a hello
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07:15 kf morning #koha
07:15 magnuse well hello there kf!
07:17 kf hi magnuse :)
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07:19 samuel hi everybody
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07:22 gaetan_B hello
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07:27 christophe_c hello #koha
07:29 rangi yay[…]-situation-update
07:29 rangi and hi all
07:38 magnuse ata marie rangi
07:39 magnuse taking_shorter_showers-- ;-)
07:42 rangi its better than it was, there was a total outdoor ban, it was getting close to extreme
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07:47 drojf good morning #koha
07:47 rangi hi drojf
07:48 drojf hi rangi
07:48 drojf oh the main list is alive again
07:48 kf itis
07:49 drojf hi kf
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08:17 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "bug 9414" (5 lines) at
08:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9414 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian
08:17 rangi kf ^^
08:17 rangi can you tell me which of those should win in fixing the conflict
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08:36 * rangi is working on a fix for bug 9933
08:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries
08:36 rangi and this line is making my head hurt
08:36 rangi my $branch = $input->param('branch') || ( C4::Branch::onlymine() ? ( C4::Branch::mybranch() || '*' ) : '*' );
08:36 kf mine too
08:36 rangi thats the problem line tho
08:37 kf i can totally imagine
08:37 kf is that a new line?
08:37 rangi and why you cant ever change any rule except for all libraries
08:37 rangi nope, doesnt seem to be
08:38 kf weird
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08:40 rangi ah ha
08:40 rangi branch is set twice
08:40 rangi first is null
08:40 rangi <form method="post" action="/cgi-bin/koha/admin/">
08:40 rangi <input type="hidden" name="op" value="add" />
08:40 rangi <input type="hidden" name="branch" value=""/>
08:41 kf rangi++
08:42 gaetan_B oh wow bz 8061 got pushed over the week end ! nice job kf, Chris, Karam and Jared :)
08:42 rangi should make 3.12 easier for our rtl friends :)
08:42 kf gaetan_B: I was thinking of you :)
08:43 gaetan_B kf: thanks, that will be my birthday present then :)
08:43 gaetan_B this is great really, i am so happy to see this has happened !
08:43 rangi bug 4534
08:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4534 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Box for SQL not visible in "Create Report from SQL"
08:43 rangi hmm
08:43 rangi bug 4354
08:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4354 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Cannot edit existing issuing rules
08:44 rangi that one
08:45 kf gaetan_B: is it today?
08:45 kf rangi: bad testing on my part :(
08:45 * gaetan_B blushes
08:46 kf so it is?
08:46 Topic for #koha is now Ra whanau ki a koe gaetan_B
08:46 rangi it is now :)
08:47 gaetan_B it is :)
08:47 kf Alles Gute zum Geburtstag!
08:47 gaetan_B dankeschön :)
08:48 gaetan_B and i even got a gift from the community with bz 8061, this is really nice!!
08:48 magnuse gratulerer med dagen, gaetan_B
08:48 kf gaetan_B: it probably still needs some more work, but the opac didn't look too bad when I tested it
08:48 kf and it's a good starting point for more refinements .)
08:49 gaetan_B i am sure it's already a nice step forward, i'll see this with the kurdish team soon
08:51 rangi anyone want to sign off a blocker?
08:51 rangi its super easy!
08:51 rangi bug 9933
08:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries
08:51 rangi gaetan_B: how long does it take to get to kurdistan?
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08:52 gaetan_B rangi: something like 9 hours
08:52 rangi hiya davidnind
08:53 rangi gaetan_B: ahh, safe travels
08:53 gaetan_B :)
08:53 davidnind Hi rangi
09:11 kf rangi++
09:12 kf meh
09:12 kf Are you sure you want to delete the < this is not translatable in a good way
09:12 kf I have no idea what the rest of the sentence is and it probably still wouldn't work with sane grammar
09:13 kf *grump*
09:14 magnuse half a day on 3.10.4 and no complaints yet - yay!
09:14 rangi i know the rest of the sentence
09:15 kf I do now too :)
09:16 rangi :)
09:16 rangi magnuse: yay!
09:16 kf you know what's worse? it was me changing the templates in that way, because before they wouldn't be picked up at all
09:16 kf the strings
09:16 kf I guess best would be rephrasing
09:19 kf or teach it to be able to work with concatenation and replace wth %s
09:26 rangi and another blocker
09:26 rangi bug 9591
09:26 wahanui bug 9591 is a weird one
09:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item
09:27 rangi it was weird, was tricky to spot
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09:54 magnuse weird_and_tricky_to_spot--
09:55 rangi yep and trivial to fix after spotting the problem
09:55 rangi those are the most annoying ones
09:57 drojf i'll test bug 9933
09:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries
09:57 rangi yay!
09:57 rangi thanks drojf
09:58 kf drojf++
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10:09 drojf ok, that was _really_ easy to test ;) and it works \o/
10:09 kf awesome :)
10:10 rangi yay!
10:13 drojf well, while that vm is running, if nobody is doing 9591 already i can try that too
10:14 kf bug 9591
10:14 wahanui i heard bug 9591 was a weird one
10:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item
10:14 drojf that sounds really weird
10:14 kf that would be cool, yes
10:15 kf yep it does
10:27 drojf does the holds queue for a library show the holds _for patrons_ of that branch or _for items_ of that branch?
10:28 kf not sue
10:29 kf i think for items of that branch
10:29 kf probably
10:29 kf not necessarily atrons
10:30 drojf i see my hold neither in the list for the branch it belongs to nor in the one for the patron that placed the hold :/
10:34 rangi do you have the cronjob running?
10:34 rangi that holds queue only gets updated by the cronjob
10:35 * rangi goes to sleep
10:35 drojf ah! then i guess i'll have a look or just wait a little. i can see another one in the list. thanks!
10:36 drojf good night rangi
10:36 kf night rangi
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10:50 drojf is it possible that holds on items from one branch, placed by a patron from another branch, do not show up in the holds queue at all? i can see another one that i just placed with same patron/branch
10:51 kf hm
10:51 drojf i don't even see it when i search all branches. funny
10:51 kf drojf: I filed a bug for some weird behaviour with item level holds
10:51 drojf i can see it in the patron's details though
10:51 kf could that be it?
10:52 kf bug 9950
10:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9950 critical, P3, ---, liz, NEW , Some holds not showing up in holds queue - even though they are supposed to
10:52 kf liz wanted to take a look
10:53 drojf hm somehow related, but that is not it. i think i chose no specific item for the one that is not showing up, i chose a specific item for the one that works though.
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10:54 drojf something is fishy
10:54 kf liz couldn't always reprodcuce it
10:54 kf maybe you are closer to the truth than we were
10:54 kf but I agree
10:54 kf and it needs to be fixed
10:54 drojf yes it does
10:56 bgkriegel kf:I have the same problem,but only with one branch. It's weird
10:59 kf please add all your findings to the bug
10:59 kf so maybe we can figure out what's going wrong
10:59 bgkriegel ok
11:09 drojf i signed off on bug 9591. if some QA person is bored… ;)
11:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Signed Off , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item
11:10 magnuse drojf++
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11:58 oleonard Hi #koha
11:59 kf hi oleonard :)
12:01 oleonard Všechno nejlepší k narozeninám, gaetan_B
12:06 kf hm maybe всево хорошего с диём рождеиья
12:06 kf in russian... but I typed that from memory, so it's probably wrong :)
12:07 kf всего хорошего с диём рождеиья
12:07 * kf felt inspired by oleonard
12:08 jcamins Всего хорошего с днем рождения
12:08 jcamins :)
12:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #2 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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12:23 gaetan_B धन्यवाद oleonard, kf :) !
12:23 kf jcamins: but I was close!
12:24 jcamins kf: very close!
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12:25 * drojf whistles »ding dong the witch is dead«
12:27 drojf happy birthday gaetan_B (all the cool languages were taken)
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12:30 oleonard kf: I'm not able to reproduce your error with circulation sorting
12:30 oleonard kf: Do you have a moment to check something?
12:36 jcamins drojf: done with your thesis? Hooray!
12:36 drojf jcamins: lol
12:37 kf jcamins: run!
12:38 kf oleonard: not in the same installation I am afraid :(
12:38 kf but tell me what you want me to check - maybe I already tried yesterday
12:39 oleonard I'm curious whether the dates you see in the table match the dates you see when you hover your mouse over each cell with a date in it
12:39 oleonard ...since the table is being sorted on the data in the title attribute.
12:39 kf hm good question
12:39 kf but that I can't check :(
12:39 oleonard It's not a very likely problem
12:39 kf and I didn't yesterday
12:39 kf what I did was turn the pref to US format - and it worked right
12:40 kf then turned it back - and it was broken again
12:40 kf Will you be around this late afternoon? not sure how big our time difference is
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12:40 kf elsemaybe leave a note on the bug for me and I can try to test it when I get home
12:40 alohabot Hi mib_futn9s, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
12:40 mib_futn9s Hello #koha
12:41 oleonard I'll be around for 7.5 hours or so kf :)
12:41 * oleonard prepares another revision for Bug 9463
12:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9463 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on patron sent notices page
12:41 kf countdown is running, I see :)
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12:42 kf hope you can reproduce the other problems
12:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #2: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.12.x/2/
12:49 jenkins_koha Kyle M Hall: Bug 8770 - amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits
12:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8770 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits
12:49 jcamins Huh.
12:49 jcamins Wonder why it was so fast.
12:52 kf oleonard++
12:52 kf khall++ :)
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13:00 oleonard kf: Regarding Bug 9905, did the calendar for your logged-in library have any holidays?
13:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on calendar page
13:03 kf oleonard: see the screenshot :)
13:04 kf that's why I took it
13:04 kf so you could see if there was soemthign weird about the holidays
13:04 kf as I don#t enter Christmas and the like myself, I think it is sample data plus some manually entered
13:07 oleonard Okay, I'll try to reproduce with that data
13:10 kf what makes me wonder... why do I have an exception but not regular closing days?
13:10 kf repeating I mean? maybe it got left when the repeated one was deleted?
13:18 oleonard kf: Did you test that bug with Bug 9887 applied?
13:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page
13:20 kf sec
13:20 kf oleonard: which one with which other?
13:21 oleonard Bug 9905 depends on Bug 9887
13:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on calendar page
13:21 kf and I had separate branches for each created from master - would have been an unlikely accident
13:21 kf oleonard: aaah no then
13:21 kf sorry I missed that
13:21 oleonard That's okay, I hope that solves the errors.
13:22 kf me too
13:28 kf Maximum Koha Version ?
13:29 oleonard ?
13:35 kf i am translating and was puzzled for a moment
13:38 kf khall++
13:45 oleonard Hm, when did check-in stop warning that items were "lost, now found?"
13:46 kf hm
13:46 kf I thought it still did, but it did also tell me that it refunded something yesterday
13:46 kf there were about 4 lines
13:54 oleonard I guess it doesn't show if the return is also triggering a transfer
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14:05 kf hm
14:05 kf could it be we are missing algorithm/checkdigits somehow?
14:07 oleonard Bug 9860 is caused by Bug 9397, and a better fix than the patch on 9860 would be to revert 9397
14:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9860 normal, P4, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Incorrect box heading 'Cannot check in' when a late document is returned
14:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9397 trivial, P5 - low, ---, agent.075, Pushed to Master , Error Messages hard to find for Visually Impaired Users (Accessibility) [Returning Items]
14:10 kf oleonard: hm not sure I can follow that line of thought without a diagram
14:10 * oleonard added a comment to 9860 explaining further
14:11 kf it's monday.
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14:20 vfernandes hi :)
14:20 vfernandes can anyone help me with koha 2.2.8 upgrade to 3.0
14:20 kf vfernandes: maybe check the wiki
14:20 vfernandes i'm checking but ive got some problems when running installer/data/mysql/
14:21 vfernandes Can't create table 'lnec.X' (errno: 150)
14:22 vfernandes i've checked the database and all tables are MyISAM when should be InnoBD
14:22 vfernandes InnoDB
14:22 vfernandes gives me errors when updating the tables
14:23 kf vfernandes: sorry, never worked with koha pre 3.0 :(
14:23 oleonard Check in of lost items show says "A refund has been applied to the borrowing patron's account." even if the item was not checked out.
14:24 oleonard Is a refund really being applied somewhere?
14:24 oleonard khall?
14:24 wahanui i think khall is working on bug 9900
14:24 chris_n kf, paul_p, magnus: have you noted any problems doing labels with unimarc/normarc records?
14:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9900 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Plugins should not be enabled by default
14:24 oleonard wahanui: forget khall
14:24 wahanui oleonard: I forgot khall
14:25 chris_n @later tell paul_p have you noted any problems doing labels w/unimarc records?
14:25 kf oleonard: it was for me when testing yesterday
14:25 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded.
14:25 oleonard kf: A refund was being applied somewhere even if the item was not checked out?
14:25 kf oleonard: checked out the book, marked it overdue = lost was added to the account, then I paid that and checked the book in, and got a refund
14:26 kf oleonard: it can#t be checked out, as lost items are removed from the patron account
14:26 kf oleonard: once they are lost, they are no longer checked out
14:26 kf lol
14:26 kf bug 10000
14:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10000 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modu​les/help/tools/ sliip
14:27 kf I didn't do that on purpose... but it's really a silly bug for 10000
14:27 oleonard kf: But what if I mark a book lost which is not checked out? When I check it in Koha still says "A refund has been applied to the borrowing patron's account"
14:27 kf oleonard: hmmm
14:27 kf edge case. I would say in that case it shoudl hopefully not go anywhere.
14:27 kf ist here something in the logs indicating it actually did something? like refund the last borrower of the item?
14:27 kf because that would be bad
14:28 oleonard Hopefully it's just bad logic in the template, I'll do more checking
14:30 chris_n kf: do you have anyone using the label creator w/unimarc?
14:30 kf chris_n: we are marc21 ingermany, but also not using the lables modules yet :(
14:31 chris_n my suspicion is corrupted data, but I'm not sure
14:31 chris_n and don't have the time atm to load up a unimarc db and test :(
14:34 vfernandes kf I found out my problem
14:35 vfernandes the script tries to change the tables with "TYPE=innobd" but should be "ENGINE=innobd"
14:40 kf vfernandes: sounds like we shoudl fix that :)
14:41 vfernandes the script is correct only for old mysql versions
14:41 vfernandes i'm gonna try again with the script change
14:41 kf fingers crossed
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14:43 kf oleonard++ for fixing 10.000 bugs...
14:43 kf ;)
14:43 vfernandes updating from 3.0 to 3.10 besides of changing the items is trivial?
14:44 * oleonard is inordinately pleased to have been able to submit a fix bug 10000
14:44 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10000 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modu​les/help/tools/ sliip
14:44 kf hm we did 3.1.61 or something I think without problems
14:44 kf but to 3.2 something
14:44 vfernandes i've done from 3.2 to 3.8 and 3.10 without problems
14:44 kf oleonard: only sad, because I was hoping to make 10.000 a good one, but thought I had more time!
14:45 vfernandes but i've never done from 3.0
14:45 oleonard For those who like bugs with many zeroes, Bug 4000 is still available
14:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4000 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Budgets table doesn't show tree view for sub-budgets
14:46 oleonard ...and Bug 7000, and Bug 8000, and Bug 9000
14:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , show home and holding branch on staff search results
14:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Test mode for notices
14:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , misc/cronjobs/rss/ uses HTP
14:46 kf LOL
14:48 magnuse chris_n: never played around with the labels, sorry
14:51 * magnuse finds a silly typo bug an excellent choice for #10k
14:51 magnuse especially if it is fixed fast :-)
14:51 kf quick, we need a sign-off!
15:00 kf holds(s) ? :)
15:00 kf found another
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15:08 kf yay:
15:09 oleonard kf++
15:09 druthb kf++
15:10 kf ... but the help file updates are not in yet
15:12 * gmcharlt can't resist -- adds additional signoff to 10000
15:13 magnuse my precious holdsesss...
15:13 oleonard :D
15:13 * druthb worries about magnuse sometimes.
15:13 druthb All that cold messes with the brain, imma thinking.
15:14 oleonard magnuse is on to something... Anyone who works on holds for too long is never the same.
15:14 druthb wahanui:  druthb?
15:14 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
15:14 magnuse so there!
15:14 wahanui so there is no way we can enable it I think
15:14 magnuse i was mostly thinking about the typo kf found
15:14 * magnuse has been spared working with holds, mostly
15:19 gmcharlt anybody here a current admin for the Koha mailing list?
15:19 vfernandes kf it worked :D
15:24 kf yay!
15:25 kf gmcharlt: hm only know about rangi - does the wiki say something?
15:25 gmcharlt kf: no
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15:29 kf gmcharlt: is it broken again?
15:29 gmcharlt nope, I just got a message stuck in moderation
15:29 kf ah
15:31 kf bye all :)
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15:32 vfernandes bye kf
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15:40 gaetan_B bye !
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17:16 tcohen no memcached support on .deb installs?
17:18 * cait waves
17:21 cait the thread is still not dead it seems?
17:22 magnuse tcohen: there isn't an easy script (yet), but you can edit the configs you need by hand
17:23 tcohen are u currentl working on packages scripts magnuse?
17:24 magnuse tcohen: nope, but it would be cool if someone did :-)
17:24 tcohen as a "power user" I feel they are pretty incomplete, and caused me a lot of trouble
17:25 tcohen I know how to fix the problems that arise, but error handling is almost nil
17:25 magnuse sure
17:25 tcohen so I think an average user will easily need to reinstall their box once
17:26 magnuse hm, i never had any big trouble
17:26 tcohen several ghosts users are created on erroneus instance creation (for example)
17:26 magnuse at least on my production server
17:27 magnuse it's a work in progress
17:27 magnuse and currently not a whole lot of people have contributed to it
17:28 magnuse bug 4876
17:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4876 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-* scripts are not robust
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17:30 tcohen magnuse, is eythian that stuff's leader/maintainer
17:30 magnuse tcohen: yup
17:32 magnuse tcohen: he is the elected Packaging Manager, to be precise
17:32 bag heya all
17:32 tcohen magnuse, do u use a local MySQL in your production environment?
17:33 cait tcohen: I think he would welcome some help with making it better
17:33 cait hi bag :)
17:33 tcohen hi cait
17:33 bag hey cait
17:33 cait hi tcohen :)
17:34 tcohen magnuse: i belive they work like a charm if using a local mysql where the scripts create everything without any major issues
17:38 magnuse tcohen: yeah, i have mysql on localhost
17:38 magnuse hiya bag
17:38 bag yo magnuse
17:38 tcohen *thats* why it works for you out of the box
17:39 magnuse ah, yeah i have not tried anything else
17:40 magnuse i think maybe catalyst (where eythian works) runs mysql on a separate server, though
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17:47 tcohen i think Lars bug is too general and thus unfixable
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17:48 magnuse it's basicallt "rewrite the scripts in perl and add error checking", so yeah...
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18:20 alaquerre Hi All, we are on 3.8.5 and we cannot delete public list ?  Is that normal ?  Even with superlibrarian permission, the "delete" list do not appear.  ( A student create a dummy public list and we really need to delete it ;-) )
18:21 cait only the user can
18:21 cait or you need to change the owner
18:21 cait in 3.8 that's pretty strict
18:21 alaquerre cait : how can we do that ?
18:21 cait only the owner can delete lists
18:22 alaquerre is it fixed in 3.10 or 3.12 ?
18:22 cait who is the one that created it
18:22 cait i am not sure if it's possible there
18:22 cait but some work has gone into lists
18:22 cait including a new permission system
18:22 cait it might be possible
18:23 cait you can at least forbidding users to create public lists
18:23 alaquerre We will, but I still need to remove this list...  So the best case scenario is to "hack" the user account ?
18:23 cait hm that's one way you could do it
18:23 cait I think it's the only way to do it without having to go into mysql
18:23 cait and do an update there
18:23 alaquerre go it.
18:23 alaquerre thanks!
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18:50 maximep mysql way is always easier :p
18:52 maximep took a while, but finally got koha working in vagrant thanks to[…]_Chef_and_Vagrant
18:53 maximep halcyonCorsair++
18:57 maximep but there's a few missing perl dependencies :/
19:14 oleonard When I add a record for a "3-dimensional artifact or naturally occurring object" the catalog says its type is "visual material." Is that correct?
19:14 oleonard That's on the detail page. In search results it says "Visual Material; Type of visual material: realia"
19:14 oleonard Is "realia" a subset of "visual material?"
19:21 jcamins oleonard: yes.
19:22 oleonard So the detail page would be more correct if it matched the results page in saying  "Type: Visual Material; Type of visual material: realia"
19:23 cait consolidating those descriptions between result list and detail page is a long term wish of me
19:23 oleonard it is confusing that after cataloging an object the page shows an icon representing a movie :|
19:23 cait wish...of mine?
19:23 oleonard "of mine" is correct
19:24 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "report help: I'm trying to show the guarentor but instead I seem to be showing the guarentee ... ideas on how to fix my report to make it show things right?" (18 lines) at
19:32 bgkriegel nengard: perhaps (g.borrowernumber=p.guarantorid)
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19:36 nengard bgkriegel, nope, no difference
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19:47 rambutan test
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20:14 tcohen Bug 8773
20:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
20:17 tcohen can anyone sign on that patch that just comments the stuff out?
20:23 cait tcohen: maybe ask on the mailing list?
20:23 cait it looks like an interesting bug
20:23 cait and it might wake up someone who wants to
20:34 wizzyrea1 is anyone else amused that bug 10k is a typo :)
20:34 huginn Bug[…]how_bug.cgi?id=10 normal, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, doesn't check for mysql connectivity
20:34 wizzyrea1 but 10000
20:34 wizzyrea1 bug 1000
20:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1000 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED INVALID, installer: drop/suppress entries in mysql if re-launching installer script
20:34 wizzyrea1 bug 10000
20:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10000 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modu​les/help/tools/ sliip
20:34 * wizzyrea1 has problems with 0's
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20:46 cait morning wizzyrea :)
20:46 wizzyrea good evening cait :)
21:14 cait eythian: ping? :)
21:14 wizzyrea not yet :)
21:14 cait ah
21:14 wizzyrea another hour or so
21:15 cait ugh
21:15 wizzyrea sry :(
21:15 cait maybe I better try to catch him before he leaves home then :)
21:15 wizzyrea *nod*
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21:32 jcamins Anyone used EBSCO A to Z with Koha?
21:33 jcamins Never mind, I was able to answer my question.
21:33 wizzyrea lol ok
21:33 cait hey jcamins
21:33 * jcamins waves from the San Antonio airport.
21:33 wizzyrea ! texas!
21:33 wizzyrea that is unexpected
21:38 * cait waves to jcamins :)
21:41 wizzyrea I should be able to take, say MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl and make a custom one, and put that in the syspref
21:41 jcamins Yes.
21:42 pastebot "wizzyrea" at pasted "err" (4 lines) at
21:42 wizzyrea what am I doing wrong
21:42 * wizzyrea feels really dense
21:42 wizzyrea i'm not suing slimutils
21:43 wizzyrea using, even.
21:43 cait yes you are
21:43 cait :)
21:43 cait the xsl for results is using it
21:43 cait or the one for detail, did you try having all 3 files?
21:44 wizzyrea ok, but that is not what the syspref says.
21:44 wizzyrea no, because why would I do that.
21:44 cait why would you do what?
21:44 * cait is a bit tired
21:44 wizzyrea have all three files
21:44 cait ah
21:44 wizzyrea i'm trying to use an external one
21:44 cait try copying marc21slimutils into the same place as your results one
21:44 cait they depend on each other
21:45 wizzyrea I did
21:45 cait didn't work?
21:45 wizzyrea no, but I"ll try it again
21:45 wizzyrea do you have to point to the slimutils?
21:45 wizzyrea in the preference?
21:46 cait no, I don't think so
21:46 cait but I haven't used the pref yet
21:46 wizzyrea[…]/selection085.png
21:46 wizzyrea it's a URL, maybe url's don't work?
21:47 wizzyrea it says they do
21:47 cait try only giving it the directory
21:47 cait hm no
21:47 cait but maybe, i will try it here
21:48 wizzyrea compilation error: file unknown-609d3d0 element html
21:48 wizzyrea xsltParseStylesheetProcess : document is not a stylesheet
21:48 wizzyrea at /home/liz/koha-src/koha/C4/ line 220
21:48 wizzyrea sorry paste. :P
21:48 wizzyrea probably only works with unimarc or something.
21:48 cait hm no
21:48 cait we tested wth marc21 when it went in
21:48 cait was marseille 2 years ago and marijana was sitting next to me :)
21:51 cait wizzyrea: a path works for me: /home/katrin/Arbeitsfläche/xs​lt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl
21:51 wizzyrea with just that there?
21:52 wizzyrea no slimutils?
21:52 cait i just copied the whole xslt directory to my desktop
21:52 wizzyrea right, well we need to remove URL as an option
21:52 wizzyrea because it does work with a path
21:52 cait what did your url look like?
21:53 wizzyrea http://192.whatever it was/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl
21:53 cait hm
21:53 wizzyrea putting slimutils there changed it
21:53 cait on the same machine?
21:53 wizzyrea yep
21:54 wizzyrea changed the error
21:54 wizzyrea but it still failed
21:54 cait ah yep
21:54 cait doesn't work for me too
21:54 cait the URL option
21:55 cait same error
21:55 cait marc21slimutils
21:55 jcamins I never tried it.
21:55 cait give me second
21:55 cait I am trying something
21:56 cait wizzyrea: you hve to fix the path in the utils file
21:56 cait i made it an URL - not it works
21:56 wizzyrea hm then that's not really working then is it.
21:56 cait um the path to utils in the results file
21:56 wizzyrea def not working as intended.
21:56 cait well you can mak it work
21:56 wizzyrea yea but that's a horrid hack.
21:56 cait easily
21:57 cait hm not sure I agree
21:57 wizzyrea the point is that you don't want to edit the native koha files
21:57 cait i didn't
21:57 wizzyrea the whole point of the pref
21:57 jcamins No, that's not a hack at all.
21:57 cait I changed the path in the file on my remote server
21:57 jcamins That is the only way to have it work logically. Your *new* file has to point to the other files it requires.
21:57 jcamins Otherwise you'd be limited to functionality already in Koha.
21:57 wizzyrea then that needs to be documented.
21:58 cait or you build your own result xsl file that doesn't need utils at all
21:58 jcamins I never object to documentation, but I wouldn't expect anything different.
21:58 jcamins <xsl:import> by definition imports a file from the point of view of the loading stylesheet.
21:59 wizzyrea I would expect that it would be made clear that it works differently if you use a URL vs a path
21:59 wizzyrea that more editing is necessary.
21:59 wizzyrea never mind, clearly I'm the moron here.
21:59 jcamins But it doesn't require any more editing?
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22:01 jcamins So much for the wireless.
22:02 jcamins You have to change the path to point to utility stylesheets regardless, don't you?
22:03 wizzyrea It didn't break horribly when using a path instead of a URL.
22:03 wizzyrea sorry, never mind I'll just figure it out forget I said anything.
22:04 jcamins Did you copy the utility stylesheet?
22:04 jcamins As far as I understand the problem, it should've broken either way.
22:04 jcamins So if it _worked_ with the file path, probably that indicates a problem with the way it loads the files.
22:06 wizzyrea I ended up making it work with the utility stylesheet in the same directory with the new results stylesheet
22:06 wizzyrea which yes, makes sense.
22:06 wizzyrea but it doesn't work with the URL.
22:07 wizzyrea even if the files are in the same URL directory. But as you noted, you'd have to edit them, additionally, to point to the correct location *if you are using a URL*
22:07 wizzyrea but if you are using a path, and you put the files in the same local directory
22:07 wizzyrea you won't have to edit them at all.
22:07 jcamins It's putting the files in the same local directory that I find confusing.
22:07 jcamins I don't think that should work.
22:07 jcamins I mean, nifty and convenient side effect, but...
22:08 wizzyrea <xsl:import href="MARC21slimUtils.xsl"/>
22:08 wizzyrea it's looking for it in the same directory it loads the result from.
22:08 wizzyrea which makes sense.
22:08 wizzyrea but none of that is clear from the syspref.
22:08 cait yeah, but that's probably not working when external
22:08 wizzyrea nope.
22:09 wizzyrea and would never work *without additional editing*
22:09 jcamins Right.
22:09 wizzyrea which isn't clear. It's easy enough to figure out
22:09 wizzyrea (I guess.)
22:09 jcamins Well, first class is boarding now. I guess I'd better close up.
22:09 jcamins Bye.
22:09 wizzyrea but it's not as simple as slapping a url in there, which is what the preference seems to indicate.
22:12 cait wizzyrea: yeah, but who write their own xsl files...
22:13 wizzyrea not a good argument.
22:13 wizzyrea sorry.
22:13 cait heh
22:13 cait I am not against documentation
22:13 cait just not persuaded it's broken
22:13 wizzyrea it isn't broken, it's just not clear what all is required
22:13 wizzyrea which is what's broken.
22:15 wizzyrea I just think it's a bit pants is all - of course a person can figure it out.
22:16 * wizzyrea shuts up and goes away.
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22:20 cait oh
22:20 * cait leaves a cookie for wizzyrea for later
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22:31 eythian cait: building on master fails to fail for me
22:31 eythian will try 3.12.x, but I don't expect it to be different
22:31 cait well, that's good :)
22:32 eythian does mean there's something different when you do it
22:32 eythian what, exactly, was the error you go?
22:32 eythian got?
22:34 rangi it just built for me, if thats any consolation
22:34 rangi dpkg-deb: building package `koha-common' in `../koha-common_3.12-1~git+201​30409101805.596f7a74_all.deb'.
22:35 rangi I: Current time: Tue Apr  9 10:24:17 NZST 2013
22:35 rangi I: pbuilder-time-stamp: 1365459857
22:35 cait eythian: I have only seen it on the screen for a moment
22:35 cait it was running the test suite
22:35 cait then t/Labels.t
22:35 cait and it said only 1 out of 6
22:35 cait I guess the one was the compile one
22:36 eythian hmm OK
22:37 cait we tried perl t/Labels.t and it complained about missing algorithm/checkdigits
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22:38 eythian libalgorithm-checkdigits-perl: /usr/share/perl5/Algorithm/
22:38 eythian that one?
22:38 cait looks about right
22:40 eythian Build-Depends: libalgorithm-checkdigits-perl,
22:40 eythian it's definitely depended on (in fact, by virtue of the alphabet, it's the first one)
22:41 cait aha
22:41 cait so does that tell us anything?
22:41 cait could it be something simple like... no internet connection and not being able to install or so?
22:42 rangi could be
22:42 eythian cait: I would expect it to have failed earlier then
22:42 eythian when setting up the build environment
22:42 eythian however, it is worth periodically running pbuilder update to make sure everything is current.
22:45 cait noted
22:46 cait thx for the hints :)
22:46 cait hopefully it will work tomorrow
22:46 eythian yeah :)
22:47 eythian if not, make sure you grab the whole error message, often it has a clue about something else shady going on.
22:47 cait ok :)
22:50 cait night all :)
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23:37 Guest1665 Gah
23:37 Guest1665 I'll remember this all eventually...
23:37 dcook Morning all ^_^
23:37 wizzyrea /msg nickserv identify password nick
23:37 wizzyrea ;)
23:38 wizzyrea aw 2 seconds too slow
23:38 eythian you can tell your IRC client to do it for you
23:39 dcook It's been something like...10-15 years since I used IRC regularly
23:39 dcook I totally forgot about NickServ until yesterday
23:39 wizzyrea or  you can do it with your client
23:39 wizzyrea or you can be clever and use a bouncer
23:39 dcook A bouncer would be ideal, but I haven't gotten around to really plotting that yet
23:41 dcook But there we go. All set up in the client anyway
23:46 eythian wahanui: git koans is
23:46 wahanui OK, eythian.

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