| Time |
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Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
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jcamins |
Someone said that on a comment to Galen's blog post. |
| 00:00 |
|
jcamins |
Right now I'm trying to confirm. |
| 00:01 |
|
jcamins |
Wow, yeah. |
| 00:01 |
|
jcamins |
Wait. |
| 00:01 |
|
jcamins |
Maybe. |
| 00:02 |
|
jcamins |
They don't really make it clear. |
| 00:02 |
|
* jcamins |
will try. |
| 00:02 |
|
rangi |
heh |
| 00:03 |
|
jcamins |
Yes. |
| 00:03 |
|
jcamins |
It does work. |
| 00:03 |
|
jcamins |
And it even appears to return valid UTF-8!!! |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
nice! |
| 00:08 |
|
dcook |
:D |
| 00:20 |
|
jcamins |
mtj: around? |
| 00:22 |
|
Guest1079 |
there is an unlogged channel?! |
| 00:22 |
|
jcamins |
Not for Koha. |
| 00:23 |
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| 00:59 |
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| 01:03 |
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| 01:30 |
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| 01:43 |
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mtj |
jcamins, about now |
| 01:45 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: about now is <reply>the funk soul brother |
| 01:45 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 01:45 |
|
wizzyrea |
the funk soul brother is <reply> check it out now |
| 01:48 |
|
jcamins |
mtj: on bug 9172, it'd be better if you could sign off on a branch and make that available for merging. |
| 01:48 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory |
| 01:49 |
|
mtj |
jcamins, hmm - how do i sign off on a branch? |
| 01:50 |
|
jcamins |
mtj: interactive rebase or filter-branch. |
| 01:50 |
|
jcamins |
I generally use interactive rebase. |
| 01:51 |
|
mtj |
oooh -> http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]n_a_pushed_branch |
| 01:52 |
|
mtj |
1st result from google on 'git sign off on a branch' :) |
| 01:52 |
|
eythian |
or just git commit --amend -s if there's only one patch |
| 01:52 |
|
jcamins |
Cool. |
| 01:53 |
|
mtj |
hmm, ok - ill give it a go... |
| 02:01 |
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| 02:32 |
|
mtj |
jcamins, how bout that? -> https://github.com/KohaAloha/K[…]Dev/tree/bug_9172 |
| 02:33 |
|
jcamins |
Looks good, thanks. |
| 02:34 |
|
jcamins |
Stick a link on the bug so I can find it next time I'm pushing? |
| 02:35 |
|
mtj |
done |
| 02:41 |
|
jcamins |
Thanks. |
| 02:41 |
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| 02:43 |
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| 02:43 |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_198sil, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 02:45 |
|
quocuy |
Hello #koha |
| 02:46 |
|
bag |
evening |
| 02:55 |
|
jcamins |
You know what is idiotic? |
| 02:55 |
|
jcamins |
I will show you. |
| 02:56 |
|
jcamins |
10/11/2010 0:00:00 |
| 02:56 |
|
jcamins |
^^ that is idiotic |
| 02:57 |
|
eythian |
I had a date: 19881603 ... that's possibly worse |
| 02:57 |
|
eythian |
In related news, Time::Piece->strptime(%Y%m%d) will turn 20073101 into 2007-03-10 rather than fail. I'm not sure I agree with its position there. |
| 02:58 |
|
* wizzyrea |
blinks |
| 03:00 |
|
jcamins |
o.O |
| 03:00 |
|
jcamins |
Oh, nice. There are literal newlines in this data. |
| 03:00 |
|
jcamins |
ms_access-- |
| 03:00 |
|
eythian |
jcamins: are you using csvtomarc? |
| 03:01 |
|
eythian |
cos I have a trick for that |
| 03:01 |
|
jcamins |
eythian: you do? |
| 03:01 |
|
jcamins |
Did I miss it in the man page? |
| 03:01 |
|
jcamins |
Or perldoc, rather? |
| 03:01 |
|
eythian |
it's undocumented because lazy |
| 03:01 |
|
eythian |
a \a will get converted to \n |
| 03:01 |
|
eythian |
and \f to , |
| 03:02 |
|
eythian |
so you can craft a search-replace over your data to convert troublesome characters into that, then they'll pass the CSV parsing and later get converted back |
| 03:02 |
|
jcamins |
Ooh, nice! |
| 03:02 |
|
eythian |
it's in the clean_string function |
| 03:03 |
|
eythian |
I need to make it command-line configurable at some stage |
| 03:03 |
|
jcamins |
Well look at that. |
| 03:03 |
|
eythian |
I also find specifying -l often helps. |
| 03:03 |
|
eythian |
it makes it a lot more relaxed about its CSV parsing |
| 03:04 |
|
jcamins |
One thing... how do I replace the newslines if all I have is a CSV? |
| 03:05 |
|
eythian |
I actually usually replace the ',', it's that that tends to mess things up. |
| 03:05 |
|
eythian |
csvtomarc can handle newlines in fields just fine |
| 03:05 |
|
jcamins |
It can? |
| 03:05 |
|
eythian |
yeah |
| 03:05 |
|
* jcamins |
did not know that. |
| 03:06 |
|
eythian |
it's only when a line ends with something like blahblah"\n"next quote... |
| 03:06 |
|
eythian |
that it gets really upset |
| 03:06 |
|
pastebot |
"eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "example of CSV file pre-cleaning" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/455 |
| 03:06 |
|
eythian |
^-- I often do that sort of thing, just to make it parse properly |
| 03:07 |
|
eythian |
so fix a lot of commas and a handful of special cases. |
| 03:09 |
|
jcamins |
Oh, wait, every line ends with 0 or 1. |
| 03:09 |
|
eythian |
then adapt this: |
| 03:09 |
|
eythian |
perl -p -i -e 's/(?<!"")\r\n/\a/g' library_conv.csv |
| 03:09 |
|
eythian |
(which is when I had something where every line ended in "" |
| 03:09 |
|
eythian |
) |
| 03:12 |
|
quocuy |
hi all |
| 03:12 |
|
quocuy |
nice day! |
| 03:12 |
|
wahanui |
you betcha quocuy |
| 03:13 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: literal nice day |
| 03:13 |
|
wahanui |
eythian: nice day =is= <reply> you betcha $who |
| 03:13 |
|
quocuy |
betcha? |
| 03:13 |
|
quocuy |
what does it mean? |
| 03:13 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: nice day is also <reply>I'm going to go play outside |
| 03:13 |
|
wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
| 03:14 |
|
eythian |
quocuy: it's a slangish contraction of "bet you" |
| 03:14 |
|
quocuy |
no, i mean have a nice day everyone :) |
| 03:14 |
|
eythian |
used in an odd way there, basically the same as saying "sure is" |
| 03:15 |
|
quocuy |
:), |
| 03:16 |
|
quocuy |
hey all, i've changed Koha-Opac, should i put it in to Live DVD |
| 03:16 |
|
quocuy |
check in http://library1.dreamlib.vn and give me you comments :) |
| 03:16 |
|
jcamins |
Why would you put a customized OPAC on the live DVD? |
| 03:17 |
|
quocuy |
i'll make 2 website, 1 default, 1 custom, 1 guide to help them to do that, if they want |
| 03:17 |
|
jcamins |
I don't think that's such a good idea. |
| 03:18 |
|
quocuy |
just create 2 website with 1 installation |
| 03:18 |
|
jcamins |
Yes, I don't think that's a good idea. |
| 03:18 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea, I don't think that should go in the "canonical" live DVD |
| 03:18 |
|
rangi |
yeah |
| 03:18 |
|
quocuy |
ok :), i'm asking |
| 03:18 |
|
wizzyrea |
i like it, it is neat, you are welcome to submit patches to have that included |
| 03:18 |
|
jcamins |
Okay, fixed it in vim. |
| 03:18 |
|
rangi |
it should be stock koha, so that people can upgrade safely, probably based on the packages |
| 03:18 |
|
quocuy |
yes, live DVD in ubuntu 12.04 |
| 03:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
^ what he said |
| 03:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
it should be in stock |
| 03:20 |
|
quocuy |
what do u mean "stock"? :) |
| 03:20 |
|
quocuy |
ah, yes, understand |
| 03:20 |
|
jcamins |
Any customizations on the live dvd are bad. |
| 03:20 |
|
jcamins |
So any cool things that should go on should go into Koha proper. |
| 03:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
right, I would probably be opposed to distributing as canonical a dvd with anything that isn't in the code base |
| 03:21 |
|
quocuy |
make a dvd to update, |
| 03:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
that the RM looks after. |
| 03:21 |
|
quocuy |
Ok, i won't bring it to Koha DVD |
| 03:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
and not canonical as in ubuntu... I mean it as authorized; recognized; accepted |
| 03:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
thank you :) |
| 03:23 |
|
quocuy |
and more, it's only some html and css code, which i added into system pref>Opac> |
| 03:23 |
|
quocuy |
so better i'll make a guide |
| 03:23 |
|
quocuy |
i love to play around with color, css, html :) |
| 03:23 |
|
jcamins |
Yes. Much better. :) |
| 03:24 |
|
quocuy |
ok, got it! |
| 03:42 |
|
jcamins |
Well... |
| 03:42 |
|
jcamins |
that was unexpected. |
| 03:42 |
|
jcamins |
My database is full of HASH(0x...) |
| 03:42 |
|
rangi |
stop smoking it then!! |
| 03:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
*giggle* |
| 03:43 |
|
jcamins |
lol |
| 03:43 |
|
rangi |
and with that useful contribution, im going home |
| 03:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
farewell :) |
| 03:43 |
|
quocuy |
:) |
| 03:43 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 03:43 |
|
dcook |
later rangi |
| 03:44 |
|
quocuy |
time for me to go, too. |
| 03:44 |
|
quocuy |
today, maybe we'll see facebook phone :), i love this |
| 03:44 |
|
quocuy |
bb all |
| 03:57 |
|
bag |
hey dcook - how goes it |
| 03:58 |
|
dcook |
hey bag. It goes. How're you? |
| 03:58 |
|
bag |
same here |
| 03:58 |
|
bag |
just feeling a little chatty for a moment before I dig into transfer issues |
| 03:58 |
|
bag |
they usually always end in staff error :( |
| 03:59 |
|
dcook |
I can relate to the feeling chatty :p |
| 03:59 |
|
dcook |
Transfer issues? |
| 03:59 |
|
dcook |
Staff error? |
| 04:00 |
|
dcook |
What am I working on...serials and WCAG compliance for DSpace... |
| 04:00 |
|
* dcook |
twitches at the mention of the latter |
| 04:00 |
|
bag |
ahhh.. let's trade :P |
| 04:00 |
|
bag |
heh |
| 04:01 |
|
dcook |
I'm tempted but I'm not, lol |
| 04:01 |
|
bag |
deal |
| 04:05 |
|
dcook |
I guess we're pretty chatty :p |
| 04:08 |
|
eythian |
http://i.imgur.com/uFlLMAG.jpg <-- that's a moa |
| 04:09 |
|
bag |
HA |
| 04:09 |
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alohabot |
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| 04:10 |
|
bag |
eythian: I'd like to see a kea (those big parrots that eat rubber and destroy cars) (do I have the right name?) |
| 04:10 |
|
eythian |
yeah |
| 04:10 |
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| 04:10 |
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eythian |
they're easy enough to find in alpine areas |
| 04:10 |
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bag |
yeah that's what I hear |
| 04:10 |
|
bag |
are there any kiwis in the wild anymore ? |
| 04:13 |
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eythian |
bag: yeah, they're rare but are around in the wild |
| 04:13 |
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eythian |
some islands have had predators removed and kiwi are there too |
| 04:19 |
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alohabot |
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| 04:21 |
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alohabot |
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| 04:27 |
|
jcamins |
Uh-oh. |
| 04:28 |
|
eythian |
what'd you do? |
| 04:28 |
|
jcamins |
One of my titles starts with a quotation mark. |
| 04:29 |
|
eythian |
that might work. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. |
| 04:29 |
|
jcamins |
This time it does not. |
| 04:29 |
|
eythian |
It also makes it more likely to get confused by a badly placed comma further down the row. |
| 04:30 |
|
eythian |
so it's often not the quote, but that plus something else causes the heuristic to fall over. |
| 04:31 |
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jcamins |
Actually, it turns out I had ~150 records that were broken by that. |
| 04:32 |
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| 04:32 |
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jcamins |
Oh, look. |
| 04:32 |
|
jcamins |
Access mangled my UTF-8. |
| 04:32 |
|
jcamins |
Thanks, Access! |
| 04:32 |
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eythian |
imagine that! |
| 04:36 |
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jcamins |
So, other than the mangled UTF-8, I think the data is actually mostly in there where it belongs. |
| 04:38 |
|
jcamins |
Actually, maybe Access didn't mangle the UTF-8 as bad as one might expect. |
| 04:39 |
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jcamins |
If I set the encoding to UTF-8 in vim, it automagically starts working. |
| 04:39 |
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| 04:40 |
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bamalik |
hi |
| 04:40 |
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wahanui |
bidet, bamalik |
| 04:41 |
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bamalik |
have you any idea of virtual union catalogue? |
| 04:42 |
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bamalik |
thanks wahanui |
| 04:42 |
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jcamins |
bamalik: what do you mean? |
| 04:43 |
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bamalik |
a union catalogue using koha and z39.50 protocol, ok |
| 04:44 |
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jcamins |
You could do that. |
| 04:46 |
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bamalik |
jcamins: no, i want some help and info |
| 04:47 |
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jcamins |
Do you have a specific question? |
| 04:49 |
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bamalik |
jcamins: my question is simple: i want to create a union catalogue of two libraries (each lib have opac in koha) in two different cities, ok |
| 04:49 |
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jcamins |
I don't understand what the question is. |
| 04:49 |
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jcamins |
You can just add two branches. |
| 04:50 |
|
jcamins |
(look in Administration under "Libraries") |
| 04:54 |
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bamalik |
jcamins: ok, i am an intensive user of koha and understand the administration well, do you have idea of virtual union catalogue please. |
| 04:55 |
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jcamins |
I just told you how to do what you asked about. |
| 04:57 |
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bamalik |
thanks, it is an advance topic and perhaps u have no idea of VUC, ok |
| 04:57 |
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jcamins |
Okay, I got my data loaded for tomorrow, so I'm going to bed. |
| 04:58 |
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jcamins |
Good night, #koha. |
| 05:02 |
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jcamins |
@later tell rangi Oh, I forgot to ask you, but could you please give cait/kf ops so she can kick people who come on #koha and insist on being vulgar? |
| 05:02 |
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huginn |
jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:50 |
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dcook |
jcamins++ |
| 05:50 |
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* dcook |
waves to cait |
| 05:50 |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 05:50 |
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* cait |
waves back |
| 05:50 |
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magnuse |
ooh, it's a wave party! |
| 05:51 |
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cait |
lol |
| 05:52 |
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* dcook |
waves to magnuse |
| 05:52 |
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dcook |
^_^ |
| 05:53 |
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* bag |
waves |
| 05:57 |
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* magnuse |
waves to dcook and bag |
| 05:58 |
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* magnuse |
looks out the window and sees an eagle being chased by two seagulls |
| 06:01 |
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* dcook |
waves again to bag |
| 06:01 |
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dcook |
Party time! |
| 06:02 |
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bag |
what kind of eagle? |
| 06:02 |
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bag |
and that's really cool magnuse |
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magnuse |
bag: probably White-tailed Eagle, Haliaeetus albicilla |
| 06:07 |
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bag |
:) |
| 06:07 |
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magnuse |
it's the most common one, and the one most likely to be chased by gulls |
| 06:07 |
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* magnuse |
needs breakfast |
| 06:11 |
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* cait |
waves to bag |
| 06:11 |
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bag |
hey cait |
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dcook |
Time to call it quits for today |
| 06:26 |
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dcook |
Au revoir, everyone |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
| 06:39 |
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magnuse |
hiya marcelr |
| 06:40 |
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alex_a_ |
hello #koha |
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reiveune |
hello |
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marcelr |
hi magnuse alex_a reiveune |
| 06:52 |
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magnuse |
bonjour alex_a_ and reiveune |
| 06:53 |
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reiveune |
bonjour magnuse marcelr and everybody :) |
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christophe_c |
hello |
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magnuse |
bonjour christophe_c and asaurat |
| 07:06 |
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asaurat |
hi! |
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| 07:12 |
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christophe_c |
bonjour magnuse ;-) |
| 07:12 |
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rangi |
hehe |
| 07:12 |
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rangi |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d7537630d14373d2b |
| 07:13 |
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bag |
looking at Kumara |
| 07:16 |
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rangi |
used to only work with postgres :) |
| 07:16 |
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rangi |
hm who was being rude i wonder? |
| 07:17 |
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bag |
:) |
| 07:17 |
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bag |
hey matts |
| 07:23 |
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matts |
hello ! |
| 07:23 |
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| 07:24 |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
| 07:26 |
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magnuse |
rangi: rudeness personified http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]3-04-03#i_1220872 |
| 07:27 |
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rangi |
all ill delete that from the log |
| 07:27 |
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magnuse |
yay |
| 07:27 |
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rangi |
ah you registered with chanserv magnuse? |
| 07:28 |
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magnuse |
yeah, i think i was at one point, but then forgot how to "log in" again or something |
| 07:28 |
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rangi |
ahh right |
| 07:28 |
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rangi |
we need to get a few more who can do that |
| 07:28 |
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magnuse |
that? |
| 07:28 |
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wahanui |
it has been said that that is a good idea. |
| 07:30 |
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rangi |
you are added now |
| 07:30 |
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rangi |
(kick ban etc) |
| 07:31 |
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magnuse |
woot! |
| 07:31 |
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magnuse |
or rather: moahahaha |
| 07:31 |
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magnuse |
! |
| 07:32 |
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bag |
yeah clean those logs |
| 07:32 |
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rangi |
cait/kf needs to register with nickserv and I can add her too |
| 07:32 |
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magnuse |
both of her? :-) |
| 07:33 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 07:33 |
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magnuse |
yay :-) |
| 07:33 |
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rangi |
anyone else want to be added to the chanserv while im at it? |
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rangi |
guess not |
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magnuse |
deafening silence... |
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magnuse |
kia ora kf |
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kf |
hello :) |
| 07:44 |
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magnuse |
kf: better hide, rangi is looking for you! |
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marcelr |
hi kf |
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* kf |
is not scared of rangi |
| 07:45 |
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* magnuse |
admires the bravery of kf |
| 07:47 |
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magnuse |
hm, is there a way to renew *all* overdue loans? not just for one patron, but for all of them, in one fell swoop? |
| 07:48 |
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* kf |
nick cait |
| 07:49 |
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magnuse |
ooh, worlds collide... |
| 07:50 |
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cait |
magnuse: hmpf |
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kf |
my nick is invalid |
| 07:50 |
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kf |
says the nickserv thing |
| 07:51 |
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magnuse |
too short? |
| 07:51 |
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kf |
yes |
| 07:51 |
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kf |
and cait seems taken |
| 07:52 |
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kf |
@later tell jcamins ops are not working because my nick is too short. |
| 07:52 |
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huginn |
kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:54 |
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rangi |
i can stll do it |
| 07:54 |
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rangi |
you just wont get it automagically |
| 07:55 |
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kf |
hm? |
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kf |
so what would I need to do to kick someone? |
| 07:56 |
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rangi |
type /kick nickname |
| 07:56 |
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kf |
but there are no bad persons around |
| 07:56 |
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rangi |
but first you want to do /ban |
| 07:56 |
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rangi |
cos else they will just come back |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_z7pozk, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 07:57 |
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mib_z7pozk was kicked by rangi: mib_z7pozk |
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rangi |
like that |
| 07:57 |
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rangi |
to kick |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_z7pozk, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 07:58 |
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rangi |
but then they just come back |
| 07:58 |
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kf |
h |
| 07:58 |
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mib_z7pozk was kicked by rangi: mib_z7pozk |
| 07:58 |
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kf |
hm I tried to ban |
| 07:58 |
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kf |
it says me this does not work with this protocol |
| 07:59 |
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rangi |
/ban nickname |
| 07:59 |
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kf |
maybe we shoudl better volunteer magnuse :P |
| 07:59 |
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kf |
I did that |
| 07:59 |
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kf |
got an error message |
| 07:59 |
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rangi |
you saw it work for me eh? |
| 07:59 |
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kf |
yep |
| 08:00 |
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kf |
give me another mibbit user? :) |
| 08:00 |
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kf |
so when the ops don't come automatically, you woudl have to do it manually all the time or can I do something to activate? |
| 08:01 |
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rangi |
no |
| 08:01 |
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rangi |
you cant without a registered nick |
| 08:01 |
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kf |
ok |
| 08:01 |
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rangi |
or someone will pretend to be you |
| 08:01 |
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rangi |
and get ops |
| 08:01 |
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kf |
so guess I am out |
| 08:01 |
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* kf |
volunteers magnuse for europe ops |
| 08:01 |
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kf |
but he already has them |
| 08:01 |
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kf |
so... |
| 08:02 |
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kf |
we just leave it as is I guess :) |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_z7pozk, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 08:03 |
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mib_z7pozk |
hmmm |
| 08:03 |
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kf |
Dieses Kommando funktioniert nicht in diesem Protokoll. |
| 08:03 |
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kf |
maybe it's my irc client not supporting it? |
| 08:03 |
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rangi |
that sounds like your client |
| 08:03 |
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rangi |
do this |
| 08:04 |
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kf |
sorry, have to run! |
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rangi |
/mode #koha +b *!*@ircip2.mibbit.com |
| 08:04 |
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kf_mtg |
nope |
| 08:04 |
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kf_mtg |
still the error |
| 08:04 |
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kf_mtg |
sorry, have to go! bbl |
| 08:05 |
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rangi |
mode/#koha [+b *!*@ircip2.mibbit.com] by kf_mtg |
| 08:05 |
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rangi |
it worked |
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rangi |
i better unban mibbit before i get tempted to forget to unban it |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_moabs6, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 08:15 |
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mib_moabs6 |
I'm trying to add items to the catalog, but on the last step, when I click "add item", I get the following message: Can't call method "textContent" on an undefined value at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/MARC/File/XML.pm line 456. Can anyone help? |
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rangi |
mib_moabs6: what version of koha? |
| 08:18 |
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mib_moabs6 |
3.06.01.000 |
| 08:18 |
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rangi |
hmm thats a pretty old version, has it just started not working? or did you just install it? |
| 08:19 |
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mib_moabs6 |
just installed it |
| 08:19 |
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rangi |
hmmm |
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rangi |
why did you choose 3.6.1 ? |
| 08:20 |
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mib_moabs6 |
it dept did it, not me |
| 08:20 |
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rangi |
it was released november 29 2011 |
| 08:20 |
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rangi |
well thats bizarre |
| 08:20 |
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rangi |
its a really old version |
| 08:20 |
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rangi |
the latest stable release is 3.10.4 |
| 08:20 |
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rangi |
or in the oldstable branch 3.8.11 |
| 08:21 |
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rangi |
but there are unlikely to ever be anymore 3.6.x releases |
| 08:21 |
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rangi |
id suggest installing a recent version |
| 08:22 |
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rangi |
and also, find out why they picked that .. maybe its linked somewhere and if so we should remove that link :) |
| 08:22 |
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rangi |
whatever bug thats causing your issue will have been fixed sometime in the 19 months since 3.6.1 was released :) |
| 08:23 |
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magnuse |
or if the it dept insists on 3.6.x, make them install the latest version of it, which is 3.6.11, i think :-) |
| 08:24 |
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rangi |
yep there were security fixes around 3.6.7 |
| 08:24 |
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mib_moabs6 |
it's going to be difficult to get a newer version installed, but i'll give it a try. if we're stuck with this version, is there any place else where i can look for an answer to this? |
| 08:24 |
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rangi |
you definitely want later than that |
| 08:24 |
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rangi |
no |
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mib_moabs6 |
thanks for your help |
| 08:25 |
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rangi |
seriously, why on earth an IT dept would install an obsolete version is beyond me |
| 08:25 |
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rangi |
so they should have no issues fixing it i would have though |
| 08:25 |
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rangi |
t |
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* rangi |
goes to install windows 3.1 |
| 08:25 |
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rangi |
:-) |
| 08:26 |
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rangi |
if you need ammo to get them to upgrade |
| 08:27 |
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magnuse |
lol |
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rangi |
http://koha-community.org/koha-3-6-10-released/ |
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rangi |
The Koha release team are proud to announce the release of 3.6.10. This is a maintenance and security release, and contains a lot of useful bug fixes, as well as fixing several serious security vulnerabilities. Everyone running an earlier version of Koha 3.6 is strongly encouraged to update to 3.6.10. |
| 08:28 |
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rangi |
IT depts |
| 08:28 |
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rangi |
you are doing it wrong |
| 08:29 |
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rangi |
i might get that on a tshirt |
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magnuse |
kia ora paul_p |
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rangi |
hi paul_p |
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paul_p |
hi rangi & magnuse & others |
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cjh |
wow, fresh 3.6 install |
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viktorsarge_ |
irc-question: I can't get my regular nick (Viktor) to work. It's registered and usually my client (XChat Azure on OS X) handles it just fine. Using the /NICK command does nothing. Any ideas what's gone wrong? |
| 09:05 |
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wizzyrea |
try /msg nickserv identify yourpassword viktor |
| 09:06 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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Viktor |
Yay! |
| 09:06 |
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wizzyrea |
highfive! |
| 09:06 |
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wahanui |
gimmie six! |
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Viktor |
Thanks wizzyrea! |
| 09:06 |
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wizzyrea |
yw, i had that exact problem earlier today :) |
| 09:06 |
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Viktor |
Usually I get logged in as Viktor but have to give the password |
| 09:07 |
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Viktor |
Always nice to get help from someone who knows. |
| 09:08 |
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wizzyrea |
it's like teaching nurses - see one, do one, teach one. |
| 09:09 |
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Viktor |
Yep :) It's much easier than patching together bits of information from forums all over the web (I'm looking at you weird Linux distros with driver issues ;) |
| 09:10 |
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wizzyrea |
my laptop webcam is *still* upside down, a year later. |
| 09:10 |
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wizzyrea |
(in ubuntu) |
| 09:10 |
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Viktor |
LOL - yep. Had those types of problems when I built a machine running Ubuntu from parts (without checking available drivers first) |
| 09:11 |
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wizzyrea |
everything else works a treat, so I don't much worry about it :P |
| 09:11 |
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Viktor |
Koha question: would using Ajax in circulation interfere with Plack? |
| 09:12 |
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rangi |
no |
| 09:12 |
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Viktor |
rangr thanks |
| 09:12 |
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Viktor |
rangi |
| 09:13 |
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Viktor |
Still thinking about ensuring that no scanned barcodes are lost and adding a que function. Using Ajax to pick up the barcodes and handle them without reloading the page seems like a good idea. |
| 09:14 |
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wizzyrea |
check out that would probably be ok, as long as all in process overrides are honored. |
| 09:15 |
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wizzyrea |
such as "this item is on reserve for someone else... override?" |
| 09:15 |
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wizzyrea |
or "this person would go over the fine limit... override?" |
| 09:15 |
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magnuse |
yeah, that would have to be taken care of |
| 09:15 |
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magnuse |
and hi Viktor |
| 09:15 |
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Viktor |
hi magnuse :) |
| 09:16 |
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Viktor |
Yes we would have to light up multiple boxes of "stuff to handle" - would it be possible to do that without rewriting the code behind the scenes? |
| 09:17 |
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Viktor |
I guess it's mostly returns.pl and circulation.pl that would have to be modded. |
| 09:17 |
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wizzyrea |
returns has to deal with things like reserves too |
| 09:18 |
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rangi |
modding them would be a bad idea |
| 09:18 |
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rangi |
they are designed to work with templats |
| 09:18 |
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rangi |
you are better off adding a new svc in /svc/ |
| 09:18 |
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wahanui |
Hmm. No matches for that, rangi. |
| 09:19 |
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rangi |
to go along with authentication, bib, new_bib, report, etc |
| 09:19 |
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rangi |
one that is designed to be light, and pass json |
| 09:19 |
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Viktor |
Not familiar with svc :( But I think magnuse is which is what matters :) |
| 09:20 |
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wizzyrea |
I guess the plugins system can't yet accept a new circ module type plugin... or can it? |
| 09:20 |
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rangi |
dear god i hope not |
| 09:20 |
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rangi |
that sounds like a hideous security nightmare if it could |
| 09:21 |
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magnuse |
i think plugins are restricted to reports and tools |
| 09:21 |
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magnuse |
(not sure what "restricted to tools" means, though...) |
| 09:21 |
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wizzyrea |
i haven't piddled about with it yet. |
| 09:21 |
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rangi |
best to do it properly and build a restful circ interface, we have one for cataloguing, and reports already |
| 09:22 |
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rangi |
thats what the svc dir is for |
| 09:22 |
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rangi |
once you have that |
| 09:22 |
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* magnuse |
is not overly familiar with the svc dir, but would love to dig around in it :-) |
| 09:22 |
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rangi |
you could have all manner of UI on top of it |
| 09:23 |
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Viktor |
I'm listening but not familiar enough with the internal plumbing :) |
| 09:23 |
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rangi |
basically i dont want people touching the internals, ie modifying circulation.pl |
| 09:23 |
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rangi |
thats just too risky |
| 09:23 |
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Viktor |
Basically I'm trying to get find out how bug9844 might be done :) |
| 09:24 |
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magnuse |
bug 9844 |
| 09:24 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add a barcode queue to checkout / return |
| 09:24 |
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Viktor |
To get rid of the bottleneck of waiting for the system to answer before being able to scan more barcodes. |
| 09:25 |
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* wizzyrea |
read barbecue instead of barcode |
| 09:25 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 09:25 |
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Viktor |
:) |
| 09:25 |
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rangi |
i think thats the wrong solution tho :) |
| 09:25 |
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rangi |
best to make a light/fast interface so taht the js can do ajax calls |
| 09:25 |
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Viktor |
Well it's spring. A BBQ would improve everyones mood :) |
| 09:26 |
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rangi |
you still cant finish the borrower until all the transactions are processed |
| 09:27 |
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rangi |
and if you are queueing client side |
| 09:27 |
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rangi |
you may issue stuff you are not allowed to |
| 09:27 |
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Viktor |
So we could call the relevant module multiple times behind the scenes without having to mod the .pl themselves? Sound great. |
| 09:28 |
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rangi |
basically if you build a restful circ client you can queue server side |
| 09:28 |
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Viktor |
Sounds like a plan! |
| 09:29 |
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rangi |
when all you are transmitting is a small piece of json to and from the server, and the page isnt being reloaded, it will be a zillion times faster anyway |
| 09:29 |
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Viktor |
This has floated quite high up on my list of stuff to pay to get done so I'm very thankful for you guys giving a hint on how to solve it in a community approved way :) |
| 09:30 |
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Viktor |
(back in a sec) |
| 09:31 |
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Viktor |
(back) |
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| 09:32 |
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Viktor |
Oh and another thing - does anyone use online payment services in Koha? |
| 09:33 |
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Viktor |
Hi aquaman |
| 09:33 |
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rangi |
not in koha but with koha yep, hlt do, via sip2 |
| 09:33 |
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Viktor |
Interesting! |
| 09:33 |
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wahanui |
i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 09:34 |
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rangi |
they also do payment at the selfcheck machines the same way |
| 09:34 |
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Viktor |
Didn't even know you could do that :) |
| 09:35 |
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Viktor |
I'm thinking about adding it to the Opac in the long run. |
| 09:35 |
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wizzyrea |
yea i'm not for that really. |
| 09:35 |
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wizzyrea |
i personally don't want koha handling money |
| 09:35 |
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rangi |
yeah what she said |
| 09:35 |
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Viktor |
I'm with you on that. |
| 09:36 |
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rangi |
id hate to see any kind of credit card processing stuff built into koha |
| 09:36 |
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rangi |
use some other service for that, they can get hacked by russian mafia |
| 09:37 |
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wizzyrea |
it's bad enough that we have to deal with fines and accounting. And that people feel inclined to put personal, really sensitive info in koha |
| 09:37 |
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Viktor |
What I'm thinking of is adding the ability to move to a third party that handles the payment and then returns (approved payment / not approved) |
| 09:37 |
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wizzyrea |
that would be ok |
| 09:37 |
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Viktor |
Good :) |
| 09:37 |
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rangi |
yep, you can do that now via SIP2 |
| 09:37 |
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wizzyrea |
i mean, ok by me anyway. others may have differing opinions |
| 09:38 |
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Viktor |
Yep :) |
| 09:38 |
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rangi |
but if the service cant handle talking sip, punching off to dps or any of the other processing places would be easy to do |
| 09:39 |
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Viktor |
I'll have to look into that. It's not on the fast track list - but it would be great for people to be able to pay fines from home in a _secure_ way |
| 09:39 |
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rangi |
yep, they do at hlt already |
| 09:39 |
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wizzyrea |
rangi - you tunnel those SIP connections I presume |
| 09:40 |
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rangi |
they dont travel the net |
| 09:40 |
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rangi |
but yes |
| 09:40 |
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magnuse |
it's all done with pigeons |
| 09:40 |
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wizzyrea |
in tunnels :) |
| 09:40 |
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rangi |
(they are on their own LAN) |
| 09:41 |
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rangi |
you'd be mental to do SIP over the internet |
| 09:41 |
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Viktor |
:) :) |
| 09:41 |
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wizzyrea |
ohhh didn't realise that bit |
| 09:41 |
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Viktor |
Something like http://tech.dibs.dk/integratio[…]dow_introduction/ might be better. |
| 09:41 |
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wizzyrea |
that the payment thinger was internal |
| 09:42 |
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rangi |
yeah the server that talks to koha via sip2 is on the same lan segment |
| 09:42 |
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wizzyrea |
wicked |
| 09:42 |
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Viktor |
Would it require any (extensive) Koha-plumbing to receive "payment done" and set a note in the database "payed online by" |
| 09:42 |
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rangi |
looks after the printers, and scanners and photocopiers too |
| 09:43 |
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rangi |
Viktor: not if it used an existing method |
| 09:43 |
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Viktor |
Great! |
| 09:43 |
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rangi |
but yes it would if you wanted to build some new thing |
| 09:43 |
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Viktor |
*me hoping no new things are required :) |
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rangi |
receiving payment done would never be enough of course |
| 09:44 |
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rangi |
thats just asking to be pwned |
| 09:45 |
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Viktor |
:) |
| 09:45 |
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rangi |
you'd ahve to generate a md5 hash or something that the service hands back |
| 09:45 |
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rangi |
or everyone will just send their own payment done messages |
| 09:46 |
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Viktor |
I shure hope they have thought about that - I use those kinds of services quite a bit :) |
| 09:46 |
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rangi |
they have |
| 09:46 |
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Viktor |
I sort of assumed there would be a bit of security hassle to get my head around when digging deeper. |
| 09:47 |
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rangi |
but koha will need to have changes made to do that, thats what i meant |
| 09:47 |
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rangi |
because that is not an existing method |
| 09:47 |
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Viktor |
I see. |
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Viktor |
well it seems doable with the technical stuff so next step will be sorting out the legal hassle of accepting payments. |
| 09:48 |
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Viktor |
Guess I'll come back to this question if I manage to talk nicely enough to our legal people. |
| 09:49 |
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Viktor |
Getting it done is sort of a 2014 thing if the most vital stuff don't eat all the money. But I'm collecting all info I can meanwhile. |
| 09:49 |
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Viktor |
Thanks for all the help!" |
| 09:51 |
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Viktor |
People just went for lunch here so I'll go AFK for a while. |
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samuel |
hi everybody |
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Viktor_away |
hi samuel |
| 09:54 |
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* rangi |
goes to sleep |
| 09:54 |
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samuel |
zebra give me headache. It doesn't work and i've seen this error "11:32:19-04/04 [fatal] lock file /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [No such file or directory] ". |
| 09:56 |
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Viktor_away |
sorry samuel - far above my ability and lunch is calling. |
| 09:56 |
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magnuse |
samuel: package install? |
| 09:56 |
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samuel |
viktor: don't worry and lunch is soon for me |
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samuel |
magnuse: no, it's agit install |
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samuel |
a git |
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magnuse |
ah |
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magnuse |
is zebra running? |
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samuel |
yes, it seems, wait |
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samuel |
root bibkoha:/var/lock# ps -aux | grep zebra Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html koha 1595 0.0 0.0 18192 488 ? S Mar28 0:00 daemon --name=koha-zebra-ctl.bibecp --errlog=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.err --stdout=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.log --output=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon-output.l |
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magnuse |
and are you running the command as the right user when you try to run whatever gives you the "[fatal] lock file" error? |
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wizzyrea |
running as the wrong user? |
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wizzyrea |
hehe |
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samuel |
yes |
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samuel |
kohabibkoha:/var/lock$ zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 11:58:38-04/04 [warn] chdir /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios [No such file or directory] 11:58:38-04/04 [log] zebra_start 2.0.44 419ad759807269fdfa379799a051ed3a551c6541 11:58:38-04/04 [log] config /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios-dom.cfg 11:58:38-04/04 [log] Loaded filter module /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/mod |
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magnuse |
maybe some dirs that have not been created or have the wrong permissions? "chdir /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios [No such file or directory]" |
| 10:03 |
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samuel |
yes, i think so, i'll test after lunch |
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* wizzyrea |
guesses permissions |
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wizzyrea |
make sure they are owned by the koha user |
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wizzyrea |
or whoever you are running zebra as. |
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drojf |
good day #koha |
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marcelr |
hi drojf |
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drojf |
oh my, a lot of people i have to be nice to from now on |
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drojf |
hi marcelr :) |
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marcelr |
yes before kicked out |
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jcamins |
Bwahahaha! Power! |
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magnuse |
my thought exactly :-) |
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drojf |
with great power comes great responsibility blah blah :P |
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magnuse |
yeah, right |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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drojf |
i for one welcome our new ops overlords ;) |
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magnuse |
wise ;-) |
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samuel |
magnuse: i've resolved my problem, zebra seems to run correctly |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_caczoy, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_gg0tzu, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 11:40 |
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jcamins |
Wow... the guy on the mailing list who keeps on sending inappropriate messages just doesn't learn. |
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jcamins |
(not a Koha mailing list) |
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kf |
hey jcamins and drojf |
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drojf |
hi mighty kf ;) |
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kf |
only temporarily |
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drojf |
? |
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kf |
you can't register 2 letter nicks with nickserv... |
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drojf |
ah |
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drojf |
that's a stupid rule |
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drojf |
what happened to our mailing lists? i think i did not get any mails the last days, only from bugzilla?! |
| 11:44 |
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drojf |
last emails on main list came on 30.3. |
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drojf |
two days ago from the dev list seems ok |
| 11:46 |
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jcamins |
There were a few messages from the dev list. |
| 11:46 |
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jcamins |
Three. |
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jcamins |
http://lists.koha-community.or[…]3-April/date.html |
| 11:46 |
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drojf |
yeah i go those, that looks alright. but 4 days no mails on main seems strange |
| 11:47 |
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jcamins |
It does, doesn't it? |
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drojf |
let's face it, we answered all the questions |
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drojf |
game over |
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drojf |
:D |
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magnuse |
yay! |
| 11:48 |
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drojf |
i would have expected a fancier ending |
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magnuse |
hm, no april here: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/ |
| 11:48 |
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jcamins |
Someone should send an e-mail to the main list. |
| 11:49 |
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magnuse |
yup |
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* jcamins |
nominates drojf. |
| 11:49 |
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magnuse |
in possibly related new: where did irc.katipo.co.nz go? |
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magnuse |
s/new/news/ |
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jcamins |
magnuse: no idea. |
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drojf |
ok i'll testmail the list |
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drojf |
done |
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kf |
and? |
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wahanui |
and is that patch only for "$" or for "$ CAD" ? |
| 11:56 |
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kf |
wahanui: forget and |
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wahanui |
kf: I forgot and |
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drojf |
nothing so far but it takes a few minutes sometimes |
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jcamins |
Not looking good. |
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kf |
wahanui: and is a boolean operator like or, and not. |
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wahanui |
OK, kf. |
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drojf |
hrm no, that is not looking good |
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magnuse |
i'd say 4 days without any messages is not looking good anyway... |
| 12:12 |
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jcamins |
Well, yes, that is true. |
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magnuse |
does anyone know who we can poke at katipo? lists.katipo.co.nz is not listed on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration |
| 12:22 |
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jcamins |
rangi, I think. |
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druthb |
o/ |
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jcamins |
o/ |
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magnuse |
o/ |
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druthb |
:D |
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magnuse |
trying this with a new audience: is there a way to renew *all* overdue loans? not just for one patron, but for all of them, in one fell swoop? |
| 12:38 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: not that I know of. |
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druthb |
it would be relatively easy to write a script to do that from the command line, but there's not a way to do that in the interface, surely. |
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magnuse |
thanks jcamins, that's what i thought |
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magnuse |
yeah, that is the conclusion i am about to draw, druthb |
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magnuse |
i just looked at some of the sql i circ/overdue.pl and am now almost blind... |
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druthb |
hehehe. |
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jcamins |
lol |
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magnuse |
but yeah, it should not be too hard, if the objective really is to renew *everything*, without exceptions |
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druthb |
What you'll wanna do is select itemnumber,borrowernumber from issues, then for each, check to see if it *can* be renewed (there's a C4::Circulation func for that, I think), then AddRenewal, IIRC |
| 12:41 |
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jcamins |
Why would you want to, though? |
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magnuse |
druthb: yup |
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magnuse |
jcamins: cause a customer is asking for it? :-) |
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jcamins |
magnuse: I can't help but feel that they want to do something elese. |
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magnuse |
there are libraries that want to send out reminders, but they don't want to lean heavily on patrons unless there are actually people waiting for a book |
| 12:43 |
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jcamins |
Oh, they want more notices. |
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magnuse |
hm, maybe |
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jcamins |
That makes more sense than simply wanting to renew everything. |
| 12:46 |
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magnuse |
hm, i'll have to think about that while i walk the dogs, i think... |
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edveal |
Good morning |
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tcohen |
morning #koha |
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tcohen |
question: there was a proposal on koha-dev for being module maintainer |
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tcohen |
we didn't talk about it on the IRC meeting |
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tcohen |
will we? |
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drojf |
tcohen: you could put it on the agenda for next meeting http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eting,_7_May_2013 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: I think gmcharlt was waiting until he was elected to start changing procedures willy-nilly. :) |
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tcohen |
yes, thanks jcamins drojf |
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Viktor |
Does anyone online at the moment have local laws requiring anonymization of circulation history? |
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Viktor |
We do and I wonder a bit how to handle the fact that we want a decent amount of database backups which makes it possible to backtrack who borrowed what. |
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drojf |
Viktor: we have to do that in germany AFAIK. kf might be an expert ;) |
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Viktor |
I'll ask when I get the chance. |
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Viktor |
I guess it might be ok since it's not really a way to snoop around accessible to regular librarians. But input is appreciated :) |
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magnuse |
Viktor: we probably have very similar laws in norway. the question of backups is an interesting one, that i have never heard anyone mention |
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Viktor |
I think so too magnuse |
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drojf |
yeah it is an interesting question |
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magnuse |
my plan is to ask the norwegian "data directorat" ("Datatilsynet") what they think |
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Viktor |
I asked on Twitter to get local feedback but it's been quiet. |
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magnuse |
in norway, they are the ones who have the official opinion on stuff like that |
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kf |
Viktor: it depends on laws but not sure if there is explicit way to handle that |
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kf |
you need a concept |
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kf |
and you can't keep data you have no reason for to keep |
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kf |
so what would a library do with information about who borrowed what? |
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Viktor |
Interesting - we have Datainspektionen. They might know. They should :) |
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kf |
you can argue that you want to keep the last borrower (for some time) becuase the book might be damaged |
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magnuse |
kf: a concept? |
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kf |
but even that is a bit difficult |
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kf |
because when you don't notice on return at the circulation desk - how would you proof that this borrower was the one who damaged the book? |
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kf |
you have to describe what data you store |
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kf |
and when you delete it |
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kf |
what you do with the data |
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kf |
etc. |
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kf |
at least I have to :) |
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Viktor |
kf What we need isn't who borrowed what but being able to import older backups if more recent ones prove to be corrupt. |
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magnuse |
kf: yeah, the ideal is immediate anonymization. but what if you feel like you have to keep backups for a month? |
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magnuse |
or 2 or 3 months |
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kf |
magnuse: don't forget to update items and reindex |
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Viktor |
kf but I think we have quite similar laws. I recognize the way of thinking "explain why" |
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kf |
Viktor: backups are different I think |
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kf |
but you can't keep bakcups forever |
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kf |
and you need someone who checks that the backups really work |
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kf |
... |
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kf |
we do a nightly full backup and hourly transaction logs |
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kf |
but not sure how many days they are kept |
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magnuse |
ooh, you ought to know that kf ;-) |
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Viktor |
magnuse and I will have to sort out how often and what intervals. But I guess I'll check backups with Datainspektionen. |
| 14:04 |
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magnuse |
Viktor: sounds like a very good idea |
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Viktor |
kf magnuse :) |
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kf |
Viktor: I think a month old backup of circulation data won't help you |
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jcamins |
Here in the US, libraries are encouraged to keep their circulation history so that the government can subpoena them. Most libraries choose to shred the information as soon as they can to avoid the pain of FBI investigations. |
| 14:04 |
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magnuse |
it will if you have a total crash and corrupt backups and that is alll you are left with... ;-) |
| 14:05 |
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Viktor |
kf Too little or not acceptable to lose a whole month? |
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kf |
there happen too many things in just a few hours, you would never be sure who has a book |
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kf |
Viktor: I mean your library will be a mess :) |
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kf |
what you need to keep because it's expensive to recreate is item and bibliographic information |
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Viktor |
kf agreed - It's only as a backup to the backup. Worst case scenario. |
| 14:06 |
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kf |
hm maybe |
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Viktor |
jcamins I love US librarians! |
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kf |
anonymize is key with Koha I think - because issues is used for stats and I think statistics for the counts of how many times items were checked out and the like |
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Viktor |
jcamins Any and all librarians of course :) But I love how they stood up to the madness. |
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* magnuse |
remembers the story of libraries putting up sign saying "the fbi has not been here today" and taking them down if they got a visit |
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vfernandes |
hello :) |
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jcamins |
When I was a student employee at my university library, we actually had special training for dealing with the FBI. |
| 14:08 |
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magnuse |
ooh |
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Viktor |
kf I shure hope that I'll never have to lose a whole month. It would be a mess. But I can't have Magnus verifying backups are ok every 10 minutes either ;) |
| 14:08 |
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magnuse |
"special training for dealing with the FBI" sounds awesome! |
| 14:08 |
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vfernandes |
one little question: it's possible to list a adittional attribute in patron cards? |
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jcamins |
magnuse: it wasn't as exciting as it sounds. |
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magnuse |
Viktor: oh i'd be glad to do that. by hand. ;-) |
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magnuse |
jcamins: too bad ;-) |
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kf |
can someone take a look at 9740? |
| 14:09 |
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kf |
I am not sure I get that one |
| 14:09 |
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magnuse |
bug 9740 |
| 14:09 |
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jcamins |
bug 9740 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9740 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Failed QA , using XSLT modifies record authorized values |
| 14:09 |
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Viktor |
magnuse :) |
| 14:10 |
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vfernandes |
one little question: it's possible to list a adittional attribute in patron cards? |
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kf |
Viktor: hmm, how are backups and circ history related? couldn't you keep the backups and still anonymize immediately? |
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kf |
vfernandes: I don't know - maybe it's in the manual or bugzilla |
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vfernandes |
i've an attribute to save patron job, and I need to present it besides patron name |
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Viktor |
kf Yes we do plan to anonymize immediately. But if I restore a backup from two weeks ago I can still see who had the book at the time? |
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magnuse |
kf: but your backup will contain every checkout/loan/issue that was active at the time yu made the backup |
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kf |
I guess I am confused now |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
I think maybe different things |
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kf |
part of data privacy is making sure the data is safe |
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Viktor |
Yep. I like safe. |
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Viktor |
It just dawned on me that a good backup plan for the database is in conflict with anonymizing loans (at least in theory). |
| 14:16 |
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kf |
hm I amnot sure it is, but right now my brain is in knots :) |
| 14:16 |
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magnuse |
kf: here's one view of it. libraries anonymize circ history so the fbi (or whoever) can't see what patrons have borrwed earlier. but if you have backups that go a long way back, the fbi could ask to see the backups, and so get access to at least a slice of the circ history |
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kf |
magnuse: so the answer is not keep backups? |
| 14:25 |
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kf |
:) |
| 14:25 |
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kf |
or maybe just export some tables, but not all. |
| 14:26 |
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Viktor |
Living on the edge :) |
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kf |
we discussed it briefly here... but not sure really |
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Viktor |
I just asked our official government body. Guess it will take a day or two though to get the reply. |
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kf |
Viktor: would be interested in the outcome :) |
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jcamins |
Viktor: just a day or two? |
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jcamins |
If I were asking for an answer from the government, I would expect at least a six month delay. :P |
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Viktor |
I'll give you a shout when I get the reply kf :) |
| 14:28 |
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Viktor |
jcamins I'm an optimist :) |
| 14:28 |
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jcamins |
Apparently so! |
| 14:29 |
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Viktor |
(but we do actually have quite good authorities in general. They do their job without to many stunts) |
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magnuse |
Viktor: i asked Datatilsynet about something and i think it took 3-4 weeks to get the reply :-) |
| 14:31 |
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Viktor |
magnuse The race is on! |
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Viktor |
:) |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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chris_n |
khall: I sent along a copy of the usermap script we use for pykota |
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khall |
thanks chris_n! |
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chris_n |
I'm not familiar with libwiki or I might be able to help with the rest |
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chris_n |
libki rather |
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khall |
chris_n, I'm the author for libki, so I can modify the client if needed. What I'd really like to do is integrate pykota with libki and koha. I want to be able to print as the libki username. So even if I'm logged in as 'public1', I'm logging into libki as 'khall'. So I need a way to send 'khall' as the print user. On the Koha side, I'll add some integration so creating 'print management fees' in Koha will add credits to the pykota da |
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chris_n |
since the script can be written in any language, maybe you can munge up something in php and take advantage of libki's api |
| 14:42 |
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chris_n |
heh |
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chris_n |
there you go :-) |
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khall |
I was hoping there would be a way for me to send the libki username as the user who is printing, but I don't know if it's possible. I can look up the username in the libki database, but I was hoping to avoid having to make a call to another server on the network. |
| 14:44 |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Quote #159: "slef: WELCOME TO HOOGERLAND. POPULATION: HEROES" (added by wizzyrea at 05:00 PM, September 23, 2011) |
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chris_n |
heh |
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chris_n |
khall: feel free to hang around in #pykota on freenode; sometimes rambutan is there as well |
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chris_n |
I'll be glad to help all I can |
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khall |
I'll have to do that. Thanks! |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt: out looking for heroes today? |
| 14:47 |
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gmcharlt |
chris_n: I am now! :) |
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kf |
chris_n: what is pykota? :) |
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Viktor |
chris_n I'm curious too. Anything starting with "py" gets my attention. |
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khall |
it's a print management system, written in Python |
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* chris_n |
looks around carefully for the snake |
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kf |
heh |
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khall |
http://www.pykota.com/ |
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khall |
MPL is losing over $1000 a year in people not paying for printed pages, so we are looking to implement pykota for the entire system |
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tcohen |
i have a db name, user, password, host, a SQL and want to use koha-create to generate an instance, any pointers? |
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tcohen |
(got to deploy 38 instances actually, want to script it) |
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magnuse |
tcohen: have a look at the --request-db and --populate-db options to koha-create |
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tcohen |
--request-db will ask me for input? |
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chris_n |
khall: ouch! |
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jcamins |
tcohen: I use /etc/koha/passwd |
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magnuse |
i have never used them, but they let you create an instance without creating a db on the localhost at the same time |
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Viktor |
Will PyKota talk to Koha and add the cost of printing something to a patrons account? |
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khall |
chris_n: yeah, in years past it wouldn't have been such a big deal, but budgets are getting tighter. |
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tcohen |
ssh koha-demo -lroot |
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tcohen |
oops |
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khall |
Viktor, I'm hoping to add that to Koha. |
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jcamins |
I'm pretty sure you have to go in and edit the configuration file if you're using --request-db. |
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Viktor |
knall That would be great! |
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magnuse |
tcohen: do "man koha-create" to get a description of the options |
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jcamins |
khall: why doesn't it just use SIP? |
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tcohen |
'hmm, we are missing db host there |
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* jcamins |
glares at his web browser. |
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khall |
jcamins, why doesn't what use sip? The idea is, for the purposes of printing, to masquarade as the libki user, instead of the actual OS user. |
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kf |
khall: I think he meant for setting the fee :) |
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khall |
Libki does support SIP2, so it can act as a go-between of Koha and PyKota. |
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kf |
and authentication |
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jcamins |
khall: you can set fees using SIP2. |
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jcamins |
Nice and easy. |
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jcamins |
Not that I know how, but I know self-check machines do it. |
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khall |
jcamins, yes, that may be the way to do it. Or add a service API to Koha ( which may be more reliable ). |
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jcamins |
pykota doesn't already support SIP2? |
| 14:58 |
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khall |
General rant: why is there no SIP client library written in Perl? There's one for PHP! |
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jcamins |
That's a pity. |
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* magnuse |
thinks *everything* should support SIP2 |
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magnuse |
khall: dpavlin has made one that might be used with a few fixes |
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khall |
That's correct, no SIP2 built into pykota |
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jcamins |
khall: because SIP is miserable to work with, and Perl programmers don't like being miserable? ;) |
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magnuse |
khall: https://github.com/dpavlin/Biblio-SIP2 |
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magnuse |
jcamins: lol |
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chris_n |
jcamins: lol |
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khall |
agreed, I never thought I'd understand SIP, but I learned it under fire ; ) |
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magnuse |
khall: it's geared towards testing, so it's too verbose for actual use, but by just commenting some of the output i was able to use it in a project i work on |
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wanders off to dinner |
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jcamins |
Zero-width selections are problematic in web browsers. |
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khall |
magnuse, thanks! I had passed that over before. I'll have to take another look. |
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khall |
I ended up writing SIP2 code by hand for Libki. I figure it's probably faster that way anyway. |
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* Viktor |
Is packing up to go home while pondering how nice the community is |
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datadoctor |
Hasta mañana! |
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reiveune |
bye |
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datadoctor |
When a borrower is created, would it be possible to assign patron-specific default messaging preferences? |
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jcamins |
You can set a default for the category. |
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jcamins |
Or set the actual messaging preferences for the patron. |
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jcamins |
You can't really have a default that only applies to one person, though. |
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datadoctor |
I understand. I'm experiencing a problem with legacy data. |
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datadoctor |
In the past, enhanced messaging was turned on, so I have some patrons with enhanced messaging preferences, and some depending upon category defaults. |
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jcamins |
There's a script for resetting messaging preferences to category defaults. |
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datadoctor |
Maybe I just need to delete the legacy messaging preferences, then the category defaults would take over. |
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datadoctor |
Wow! There is a script for that? |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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datadoctor |
Very cool jcamins! |
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kf |
datadoctor: hm be careful |
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kf |
datadoctor: there is a script for that - but it doesn't work the way you said |
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kf |
they never really depend on category defaults - only what's in the patron account counts |
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kf |
if you create a new patron the defaults are copied into the patron account |
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datadoctor |
hmmm...I only have 1,927 rows in my borrower_messaging_preferences. |
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kf |
maybe I misunderstood |
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datadoctor |
or I am missing something... |
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kf |
but I think patrons that are not in borrower_messaging_preferences won't get notices |
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druthb |
They'll get overdues, and nothing else. |
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datadoctor |
Yes, we just turned on enhanced messaging preferences so that we can assign sms notifications for patrons. |
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datadoctor |
But found that only a small number of patrons have those preferences set - we're thinking the enhanced settings were turned on briefly in the past. |
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datadoctor |
I'm trying to figure out if I have to manually set everyone's messaging preferences ahead of time. |
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datadoctor |
We want the default behavior to be the same for each patron, but give them the ability to change their notification method later on, through the enhanced messaging preferences. |
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datadoctor |
The default behavior would be mobile no. sends to sms, no mobile + email sends to email, and no mobile, no email generates print notice. |
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magnuse |
datadoctor: you can set defaults on the patron categories |
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jcamins |
datadoctor: now that you explain what you want, that's not possible. You can set the defaults, but there's no way to have Koha make decisions about what the defaults should be based on other criteria. |
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datadoctor |
I am understanding what you are saying magnuse and jcamins. |
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datadoctor |
I'm imagining that to get the behavior I want I will have to script, using code from messaging.pm, to check the database for the conditions, for example mobile number present, |
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nengard |
qa folks - want to look at bug 9850 ? :) |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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jcamins |
bug 9850 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9850 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update |
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nengard |
once those are pushed I'll test the variable patch |
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datadoctor |
Then modify the specific patron messaging to assign sms notification to the patron. Thanks for helping me get a grip on the issue. |
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datadoctor |
I am understanding that what I want to do is a bit beyond what the system is set up to do right now. |
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jcamins |
Yep, that is the only way I can see to do it. |
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datadoctor |
The only way I could use the category defaults would be to assign new categories for "mobile" patrons, or "email" patrons. |
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datadoctor |
And that's not ideal. |
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datadoctor |
i would still have to modify each patron |
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datadoctor |
OK, thanks - I will let you know how this turns out. Our patrons really like our sms messaging service. We use a library consortium sms gateway to send the messages. |
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datadoctor |
Which are generated as e-mails. |
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datadoctor |
from Koha. |
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datadoctor |
We have a kind of failover built in to the overdue_notice.pl, to generate csv or html code if there is no e-mail address present. It would be ideal to include sms and other delivery methods in this failover capacity. |
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datadoctor |
If I come up with something useful, I will let y'all know! |
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datadoctor |
Correction: The emails are not generated by native Koha, it's a custom script for sending to the "mobile" number. |
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Starting build #319 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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jenkins_koha |
Nicole C. Engard: fix typo |
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gmcharlt |
khall: out of curiosity, do you know of anybody using libki with Evergreen/ |
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gmcharlt |
? |
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khall |
gmchrlt, nope, but then again I don't have a way know who's using it either. I know of a few libraries, but the project is still young and the mailing list is pretty quiet. |
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khall |
I really need to update the graphics on libki.org. Version 2.0 is far prettier than pre2.0 ; ) |
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khall |
the server is built on perl catalyst |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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kf |
bye all :) |
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jcamins |
@quote get 123 |
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wahanui |
http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
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huginn |
jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
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chris_n |
lol |
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AlohaBrooke |
Aloha |
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mtj |
heya brooke |
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AlohaBrooke |
Anyone know how slick our EDI integration is at this stage? I found some oldish stuff about a Bywater coop joint thingy but aedunno if we have it up and running yet |
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jcamins |
AlohaBrooke: there is none. |
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mtj |
hey chris_n , nice to see you over in #openlibrary :) |
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jcamins |
There's a proposed patch for 3.14. |
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chris_n |
mtj: tnx; I've hung around there for a while now; I have a side project of doing an integration of their reader w/koha |
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AlohaBrooke |
Blech. Well I've mah answer now. Thanks :) |
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rambutan |
@seen bag |
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huginn |
rambutan: bag was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 31 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <bag> yeah clean those logs |
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AlohaBrooke |
Logging. Blind mibbit on a touch is in fact the 9th circle of hell. Thanks for the answer though. :) |
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mtj |
chris_n, im hoping that koha and evergreen peeps might get more involved in some OL projects |
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chris_n |
yeah, OL seems to have be sidelined of late based on some discussion some months back |
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mtj |
yeah, i had heard too |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_2bt09z, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 19:20 |
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khall |
General question, I have someone who claims that in Koha, when checking out items to someone with overdues, you only had to click the confirmation dialog once, and could then check out any number of items to the patron without seeing that warning again. I can find no proof of this. Can anyone verify or deny this claim? |
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khall |
They say it was that way in 3.8 |
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cait |
khall: I think if you see the thing at all depends on a pref, but not sure if it showed up once or more times |
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cait |
I think we have turned it off |
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cait |
or at leat i believe os |
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khall |
yeah, you can set it to Warn, Ask, or Deny. But they are saying if you had it set to ask, it would only ask once |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
no idea :( |
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khall |
I meant Ignore, not warn |
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cait |
check out 3.8and test it? |
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khall |
I did, it asks every time. |
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khall |
I'm inclined to believe he has a false memory, but I don't want to tell someone that unless I'm sure I'm correct. |
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jcamins |
khall: I am not 100% sure, but I only remember it showing the message every time. |
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khall |
me too. I can't find any evidence that he is correct |
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nengard |
jcamins will the help files make it in before gmcharlt does his branching? |
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jcamins |
nengard: I doubt it. |
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cait |
if not jcamins can still push them to 3.12 |
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nengard |
k |
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cait |
morning wiz |
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cait |
hm gone again |
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cait |
hi druthb_away |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
gues I am always too slow tonight |
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Guest1168 |
hehe naw I'm here sorry |
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wizzyrea |
word. |
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cait |
excel? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... excel is a bit stupid. |
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cait |
where is everyone tonight? :) |
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jcamins |
wahanui: but not as stupid as Access! |
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wahanui |
jcamins: sorry... |
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* jcamins |
isn't. He no longer has to use Access! |
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* cait |
puts a bowl of cookied in th emiddle of #koha |
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jcamins |
rangi: here's something that RDA could do: the 33x fields could be used to generate icons indicating the type of media. |
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jcamins |
Totally unlike the way that you can do that with the 008. |
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jcamins |
Wait. |
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bag |
afternoon all |
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jcamins |
bag: I was just thinking about you, actually. |
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jcamins |
I was wondering if ByWater's RDA stylesheet did nice little icons for media types. |
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bag |
actually I totally agree with you on that jared about the icons |
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bag |
no icons yet |
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bag |
actually edveal-phone is working on that |
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bag |
I think he was just working on the XSLT part and Joy did the frameworks… |
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bag |
as I understand it - RDA does add some new things into the 007 or 008? |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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jcamins |
But more goes in the 33x fields. |
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cait |
bag: hm rangi did the framework on the wiki |
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bag |
yeah I think Joy did one as a blog post |
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bag |
about the same time |
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jcamins |
He never found a good reason for it, though. :P |
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bag |
and then let rangi run with the wiki version cait :) |
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cait |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/MARC_frameworks |
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jcamins |
Oh, I was asking about the stylesheet itself, not a blog post. :) |
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wizzyrea |
^ if it's not there, it doesn't exist. |
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edveal |
I have been focusing on the 33x stuff right now. |
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jcamins |
edveal: nifty. |
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bag |
right jcamins edveal is working on the stylesheet now :) |
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edveal |
jcamins I have not done any nice icons but that is an idea. |
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bag |
so edveal add in icons too :P |
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bag |
heh |
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jcamins |
There was just a conversation on AUTOCAT about icons. |
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cait |
bag: yep, she pointed to his framework :) |
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bag |
ahhh that's what I get for not reading talljoy's blogpost - sigh |
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bag |
and sssshhhhh |
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bag |
heh |
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cait |
anyway - rangi++ for doing it even tho he thinks it's really stupid :) |
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bag |
yup rangi++ |
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jcamins |
edveal: do you have any partners using the stylesheet? I'm very curious to see if it somehow makes RDA seem useful. I'm not convinced anything could do that, stylesheet or otherwise, of course. |
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bag |
agreed jcamins :) |
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bag |
I don't think we have anyone using it yet. we've got a few asking for the frameworks recently |
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bag |
like maybe 5 or so |
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bag |
but that's only the framework and not the xslt yet |
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edveal |
bag is right at the moment we don't |
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bag |
jcamins: once we have someone in production - I'll forward you that info :) |
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jcamins |
Ah well. |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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edveal |
jcamins I will let you know as well |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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* jcamins |
heads home. |
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wizzyrea |
what do you think, will someone, someday, want to integrate this with koha: http://mediacorecommunity.org/ |
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cait |
wizzyrea: dunno - where is everyone tnight? so quiet here :) |
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cjh |
wizzyrea: I am still waiting for the Koha OS project to begin. |
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cait |
hi cjh :) |
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cjh |
morning cait :) |
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eythian |
hi |
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wizzyrea |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
that would have been a great joke |
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wizzyrea |
fo april fools |
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wizzyrea |
"koha OS - it does everything in your library, even make librarians coffee" |
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cait |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
khall, about? |
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bag |
wizzyrea: khall just took off for the say |
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wizzyrea |
ah fair enough |
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rangi |
yeah i didnt do my joke this year |
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rangi |
easter threw me off |
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gmcharlt |
makerspaces, 3D printers, and Koha can lead to something interesting for April 1st next year |
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gmcharlt |
as in: why settle for a mere OS? :) |
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bag |
WOW wizzyrea that santa barbara lactation link you just posted in facebook - Jessica Barton was our Doula |
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bag |
and she was an awesome lactation consultant for Sonja |
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wizzyrea |
oh cool |
| 21:47 |
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wizzyrea |
well sonja can fill out the survey :) |
| 21:47 |
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bag |
yeah totally |
| 21:49 |
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bag |
ha Sonja already did :) |
| 21:50 |
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rangi |
so who is gonna write a post for koha-community.org with the new release team |
| 21:50 |
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rangi |
not this guy, that's who |
| 21:50 |
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rangi |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 21:51 |
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wizzyrea |
I will, if I have a few minutes today |
| 21:51 |
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cait |
wizzyrea++ |
| 21:51 |
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cait |
now you will have to... I gave you karma :P |
| 21:51 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 21:53 |
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eythian |
the koha lists have been quiet lately |
| 21:53 |
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wizzyrea |
it's because koha is awesome! |
| 21:54 |
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rangi |
hmm true they have |
| 21:54 |
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rangi |
the devel one is all good i posted to it today |
| 21:55 |
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rangi |
what could i post to the main one to check its all working |
| 21:55 |
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cait |
hm drojf messages koha today, I dind't check if it came through |
| 21:55 |
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cait |
we had that conversation earlier today |
| 21:55 |
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cait |
that it was too quiet |
| 21:56 |
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eythian |
saturday is the last I've seen anything on the main koha list |
| 21:56 |
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rangi |
yeah |
| 21:56 |
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eythian |
koha-devel has had stuff today |
| 21:56 |
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rangi |
mailman looks fine |
| 21:57 |
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rangi |
sijobl: are you about per chance? |
| 21:57 |
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rangi |
yep nothing in april yet |
| 21:57 |
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rangi |
i wonder if the mailserver feeding it is jammed |
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eythian |
anyone have any content to test it with? |
| 21:57 |
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eythian |
rather than just sending "this is a test" |
| 21:57 |
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rangi |
well if drojf sent one |
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rangi |
earlier |
| 21:57 |
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eythian |
hmm yes |
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rangi |
thats not showing |
| 21:58 |
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eythian |
might be a chance to consolidate all the lists into one server perhaps |
| 21:58 |
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rangi |
actually i was quite glad they werent |
| 21:59 |
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eythian |
ah right :) |
| 21:59 |
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rangi |
when lists.koha.org disappeared |
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rangi |
:) |
| 21:59 |
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eythian |
true |
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cait |
night all :) |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: we already have video and audio embedding. |
| 22:17 |
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wizzyrea |
yep, but, see tmtowtdi. :P |
| 22:18 |
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wizzyrea |
and you know someday |
| 22:18 |
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wizzyrea |
someone is going to say |
| 22:18 |
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wizzyrea |
"I already use this make it work with koha" |
| 22:18 |
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wizzyrea |
because that's just how they do. |
| 22:18 |
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wizzyrea |
i'm not saying it's right |
| 22:18 |
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wizzyrea |
just that it is |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: there is truth to that. |
| 22:19 |
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wizzyrea |
oh YES, Pianohacker!! |
| 22:19 |
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wizzyrea |
YES! |
| 22:19 |
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wizzyrea |
awesome. |
| 22:19 |
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wahanui |
That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, wizzyrea |
| 22:19 |
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rangi |
yeah |
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* wizzyrea |
gladly pays. |
| 22:19 |
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wizzyrea |
now eythian, we need to know how many dollars there are in the awesome jar. go. |
| 22:19 |
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wizzyrea |
and top contributors. |
| 22:19 |
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ibeardslee |
wr? |
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wizzyrea |
:D |
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eythian |
ibeardslee++ |
| 22:20 |
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ibeardslee |
.. .. err wrong irc server |
| 22:20 |
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wizzyrea |
ah I love you guys. |
| 22:20 |
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wizzyrea |
oh I thought that was intentional :P |
| 22:20 |
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wizzyrea |
bc that was actually quite appropriat. |
| 22:20 |
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wizzyrea |
with an e |
| 22:20 |
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ibeardslee |
sigh .. yes it was, but so was the wrong irc server comment |
| 22:20 |
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ibeardslee |
eappropriat ? |
| 22:21 |
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wizzyrea |
on the end, smarty |
| 22:21 |
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ibeardslee |
mmm smarties |
| 22:21 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: $ expr `grep 'for the awesome jar' Debian\ Servers-#koha.log | wc -l` - 1 |
| 22:21 |
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eythian |
12 |
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wizzyrea |
:D |
| 22:22 |
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wizzyrea |
well, that's couple of beers. |
| 22:22 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea buys the cheap beers, apparently |
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trea |
depending on where you drink |
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trea |
^ |
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* wizzyrea |
shrugs |
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jcamins |
Very cheap beers! |
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jcamins |
I think you might be able to get two lousy beers for $12 here in New York. |
| 22:25 |
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jcamins |
How did the the state get my name wrong? |
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dcook |
allo #koha |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: are you around? |
| 22:33 |
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wizzyrea |
hiyas, yep |
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dcook |
do you remember if there is an existing bug for ranking cover images in the OPAC? |
| 22:34 |
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bag |
ranking? |
| 22:34 |
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dcook |
I keep thinking that oleonard had a bug for it or was at least talking about it.. |
| 22:34 |
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dcook |
bag: Yeah, so that you could choose to first look at Local images then Amazon images then Google images |
| 22:34 |
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bag |
oh |
| 22:34 |
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dcook |
And if you find an image then you stop checking the other services |
| 22:34 |
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jcamins |
dcook: yeah, it's assigned to kmkale. |
| 22:34 |
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wizzyrea |
well cascading the covers has been something that has been a problem for a long time |
| 22:35 |
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bag |
well I know in 2009 or 2008 there was a patch from a guy at Howard county that started to look at that IIRC |
| 22:35 |
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jcamins |
He won't be doing anything with it, though. |
| 22:35 |
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bag |
Howard county that was an interesting one |
| 22:37 |
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eythian |
it was? |
| 22:37 |
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dcook |
Hmm, not finding the bug |
| 22:38 |
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* dcook |
looks more thoroughly |
| 22:38 |
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jcamins |
bug 7187 |
| 22:38 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kmkale, In Discussion , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next |
| 22:39 |
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dcook |
Just found it as you typed that :p |
| 22:39 |
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wizzyrea |
I would be concerned that such a thing would cause performance delays |
| 22:39 |
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dcook |
I wonder why it didn't come up when I just searched for kmkale.. |
| 22:39 |
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wizzyrea |
but that kind of can't be helped I guess. |
| 22:39 |
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dcook |
Hmm |
| 22:39 |
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dcook |
Maybe |
| 22:39 |
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dcook |
Depending on how it checks, I could see it improving performance, no? |
| 22:40 |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: I have a jury-rigged priority thing that loads both simultaneously, and tosses the efforts that didn't work and/or selects the preferred. |
| 22:40 |
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wizzyrea |
that would be good |
| 22:41 |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately, it does that by taking advantage of peculiarities in the OPAC I'm using it on. |
| 22:42 |
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eythian |
I've been planning a nice fancy way of doing this, but been waiting for libraries to want to give us money for it. |
| 22:42 |
|
* wizzyrea |
points at the awesome jar |
| 22:42 |
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wizzyrea |
oh wait. |
| 22:42 |
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wizzyrea |
drats. |
| 22:42 |
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jcamins |
Ditto. |
| 22:43 |
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jcamins |
Though mostly I'm waiting for someone to pay you to do it. |
| 22:44 |
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dcook |
Yeah, admittedly, I don't have any real incentive at the moment to do it either, since it hasn't come up as a priority |
| 22:46 |
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dcook |
It might be worth it to still add a function to delete "no cover image" found if there is an image thumbnail existing for that record though |
| 22:47 |
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dcook |
Although again...we don't really deal with that, as we mostly hide the "no cover image available" anyway |
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