IRC log for #koha, 2013-03-15

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00:53 trea lists?
00:53 trea listserv?
00:54 trea mailing list?
00:54 wahanui mailing list is at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
00:54 trea there we go
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02:15 eythian wahanui: lists is <reply>try 'listserv', $who
02:15 wahanui OK, eythian.
02:15 eythian wahanui: listserv is <reply>try 'mailing list', $who
02:15 wahanui OK, eythian.
02:16 wizzyrea forums?
02:16 wahanui forums are
02:16 eythian wahanui: csvtomarc
02:16 wahanui csvtomarc is an external script to help with migrations.
02:16 cjh hahaha
02:16 wizzyrea OH SNAP.
02:16 * wizzyrea wonders if she did that
02:16 wizzyrea if not, good work whoever did :P
02:17 wizzyrea hehe no it was mjr
02:17 wizzyrea slef++
02:17 eythian no wahanui, csvtomarc is <reply>the latest version is at[…]migration-toolbox - improvements welcome
02:17 wahanui okay, eythian.
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03:03 bag evening
03:03 wahanui evening is better for me - but not too late
03:03 wizzyrea forget evening
03:03 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot evening
03:04 bag Hi wizzyrea
03:04 wizzyrea hi :)
03:05 bag gmcharlt: HA from the @later
03:05 bag wizzyrea isn't it beer time there?
03:05 gmcharlt :)
03:05 wizzyrea nearly :)
03:06 bag gmcharlt I really wish I still had the nick brendan instead of bag
03:06 bag But my dad is very proud that finally somewhere in my life I am using bag :P
03:09 bag oh man that comment scared away mtj
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03:21 bag welcome back mtj
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07:28 * magnuse waves
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07:39 reiveune hello
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08:04 kf good morning #koha
08:05 asaurat hi
08:09 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:09 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
08:09 kf @wunder Marseille
08:09 huginn kf: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
08:11 kf hm
08:19 magnuse kf: the forecast for next week is not too bad, though![…]ux-Port/long.html
08:19 magnuse very windy today, though
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08:23 drojf jcamins++ kf++
08:24 drojf good morning #koha
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08:32 christophe_c hi #koha
08:42 magnuse bonjour!
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09:20 drojf when i try to check out an item i get »No branchcode argument passed to Koha::Calendar->new at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 3036« in a 3.10.2 from tarball
09:24 magnuse drojf: you're not logged in as the db user, right?
09:24 drojf no, i'm logged in as myself
09:24 magnuse ok, no idea then :-(
09:27 kf drojf: hmmm
09:27 kf did you load sample data?
09:27 kf for holidays?
09:28 kf and does the user have a proper branch?
09:28 drojf good question. there was also no default rule for checkouts but that did not change anything
09:28 drojf yes branch is there
09:28 kf for item too?
09:28 drojf yes
09:32 drojf there was nothing in holidays. i added sunday. same error
09:34 magnuse what does the line in look like?
09:35 drojf my $calendar = Koha::Calendar->new( branchcode => $branch );
09:35 kf did you check the holiday related tables?
09:35 kf the sample data has no branch code
09:36 drojf hm but there was no sample data
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09:39 kf hm than it's probably not the reason :(
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09:49 alohabot Hi mib_c075j9, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
09:49 mib_c075j9 hi
09:49 wahanui hello, mib_c075j9
09:50 shanreta i have a question about changing search order?
09:50 shanreta has anyone done this?
09:52 kf it depends on what you want to do - can you describe your problem a bit more?
09:53 shanreta the default search on the front page is 'library catalogue'
09:53 shanreta this is not working well for us at the moment
09:54 shanreta we would like to change the search order dropdown
09:54 shanreta so 'title keyword' is first
09:54 shanreta then author, subject, and title phrase
09:54 shanreta i assume there is some jquery changes involved as well as css?
09:55 shanreta or is it just js?
09:55 shanreta we are running 3.10 at the moment
09:56 shanreta i haven't been able to find anything on this particular issue anywhere on the list or in the library
09:57 shanreta which usually means it is too difficult or too easy :)
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10:23 drojf magnuse: the default framework was changed and the koha fields removed for 952_ab
10:24 drojf @quote 123
10:24 wahanui @quote get 123
10:24 huginn drojf: I suck
10:24 huginn wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
10:24 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>...
10:26 magnuse drojf: ouch!
10:26 drojf yes, great idea :D
10:31 shanreta hello
10:31 wahanui privet, shanreta
10:35 kf sorry shanreta - lots to do here
10:35 kf you could do it with jquery
10:35 kf css would not work
11:00 shanreta ok
11:00 shanreta something must set the current order
11:01 kf it's hardcoded in the template
11:01 shanreta oh boy
11:01 kf you can use jquery to move the elements around
11:01 kf it actually is not that hard to do
11:01 kf jquery library
11:01 wahanui i heard jquery library was found at[…]ki/JQuery_Library
11:01 shanreta good cause i'm new to jquery
11:02 shanreta yeah i've looked there
11:02 shanreta i see ways to rename the current fields
11:04 kf I don't have the time to help you right now, but maybe try an email to the mailing list
11:04 shanreta ok thanks kf
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11:21 slef sent reminder to ptfs-europe to get that ILL enh into bugs
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11:22 slef Am I right to think that my best tactic is to make sure all our enh are in bugzilla today, then to review/signoff enh/new bugs next week, then switch back to bugfixes?
11:27 magnuse slef: "Starting on March 15, any patch adding a new feature or enhancement which has not already been attached to a bug on Bugzilla (or submitted to Koha via git branch) will not be considered for inclusion in Koha 3.12. "
11:28 magnuse i read that as patches for enhancements need to be attached to bugs by today
11:28 magnuse[…]i/Roadmap_to_3.12
11:29 slef magnuse: yeah, so do you think reviewing enh until 22nd seems best?
11:29 slef phone
11:30 magnuse slef: yeah, for enh where the patch is already in bugzilla, the coming week is the last chance to get in
11:30 magnuse as far as i understand
11:41 kf finding the right mix between fixing critical bugs and enhancements might be the thing
11:41 kf but not sure how one can
11:43 slef so the other question is: who will offer us the best incentives to signoff and QA review their enh/new bugs? ;-)
11:44 magnuse hehe, yeah
11:45 magnuse i'm thinking i will focus mostly on bugfixes and finding bugs next week, unless there are some really tasty enh that i would like to see make it in :-)
11:45 kf there are some things our libraries have been asking for
11:46 kf I might take a look at those too
11:46 kf there is always so much I woud like to do :(
11:46 magnuse 110 bugs found for Severity: enhancement, new feature + Status: Needs Signoff
11:47 magnuse only 23 "needs signoff" are bugfixes
11:48 magnuse wow, i would have guessed that was ~50/50 or thereabouts
11:49 kf not currently
11:49 kf but lots of filed bugs remain... untouched
11:52 magnuse yeah, all bugs by severity and status: 940...
11:55 magnuse hm, there might be things in there that are really enhs
11:58 kf and some evil bugs and regressions *sigh*
12:00 magnuse of course ;-)
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12:10 ambz Hi
12:10 wahanui hey, ambz
12:12 ambz I'm forking the codebase. Is it okay to use git:// or git:// Are they both in sync (or the same repository)>
12:12 ambz ?
12:13 magnuse ambz: they should be in sync, but the one on is the official one
12:13 ambz magnuse: thanks.
12:14 ambz I'll use the github repo, since I'm more familiar with github (and it has a nice code browser and other features).
12:14 magnuse yeah, github is convenient :-)
12:14 ambz Yeah I love github :)
12:15 * jcamins just updated the Github repo to tell people it's a mirror.
12:15 magnuse jcamins++
12:16 magnuse Branches 2,521 - hehe
12:31 magnuse @wunder boo
12:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (1:20 PM CET on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
12:31 magnuse @wunder marseille
12:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (1:00 PM CET on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
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12:37 tcohen hi #koha
12:39 magnuse hiya tcohen
12:42 tcohen how  r  u doin magnuse
12:43 magnuse doing good, starting to sink in that i'm going to marseille on sunday :-)
12:43 magnuse and yourself?
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12:46 tcohen hoping the day ends soon, so I can see DelPo beat Murray at IW
12:46 tcohen thinking of providing a quick patch for bug 960 also magnuse
12:46 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=960 normal, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, Link to member in circulation
12:47 tcohen I meant bug 906
12:47 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, NEW , ISBN Check
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12:49 * magnuse has no clue to what "DelPo beat Murray at IW" means ;-)
12:49 magnuse ooh, that's a nice old bug to get rid of...
12:50 tcohen oh, i tend to think everyone loved tennis magnuse, sorry
12:51 magnuse tcohen: :-)
12:58 tcohen should we enforce ISBN without dash?
12:59 jcamins No.
12:59 jcamins There are conflicting standards.
13:03 kf morning jcamins :)
13:03 kf how do you feel? ready to push? :)
13:05 tcohen jcamins: what other symbols might I strip for IN calculation?
13:05 tcohen s/IN/ISBN/
13:06 kf tcohen: not sure, but we have a module dealing with isbn - maybe that provides a check for validity already?
13:06 kf so you wouldn't have to figure it out yourself
13:06 tcohen i'll look for it
13:06 kf isbn business or similar I think
13:06 kf i remember koha exploding when you forgot to add it :)
13:07 kf i think it could be this:[…]-2.05/lib/
13:07 tcohen hmm, i thought it should be done at javascript level
13:07 kf tcohen++ for working on long standing stuff :)
13:08 kf tcohen: maybe there are still some useful hints
13:10 magnuse yeah Business::ISBN is the one to look at
13:12 kf or a regex you coud steal :)
13:15 slef github is nasty :(
13:15 slef convenient but nasty
13:17 ambz slef: how is it nasty?
13:22 slef ambz: its patch requests and issue tracker are incompatible with git, its source is secret, registration is required and they demand your full legal name to register as a user, on pain of nuking your changes.
13:22 slef pull requests, not patch requests, sorry.
13:23 slef @wunder EGCL
13:23 huginn slef: The current temperature in Gedney Hill, Spalding, United Kingdom is 8.2°C (1:16 PM GMT on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
13:24 slef bbi60+
13:37 ambz slef: i haven't provided my full legal name on github... can they really nuke my commits?
13:42 jeff sure.
13:42 jeff > GitHub, in its sole discretion, has the right to suspend or terminate your account and refuse any and all current or future use of the Service, or any other GitHub service, for any reason at any time.
13:42 jeff this is common in many terms of service.
13:48 ambz wow
13:49 ambz perhaps I should start reading tNc agreements before clicking on "I accept"
13:49 ambz :)
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15:05 tcohen anyone with a valid isbn13?
15:05 rambutan @wunder bangkok
15:05 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Sala Thammasop, Thawi Watthana, Thailand is 28.1°C (9:55 PM ICT on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
15:06 rambutan @wunder pattaya
15:06 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Jomtien, Jomtien, Thailand is 28.1°C (9:50 PM ICT on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
15:06 tcohen @wunder isbn13
15:06 huginn tcohen: Error: No such location could be found.
15:06 rambutan isbn?
15:07 rambutan where are the bots? wahanui should have some response
15:08 tcohen isbn13?
15:08 rambutan wahanui: marc?
15:08 wahanui
15:09 rambutan wahanui: isbn?
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15:13 kf rambutan: he doesn't know all and everything
15:13 kf wahanui: isbn is the international standard book number
15:13 kf isbn?
15:13 wahanui i guess isbn is the international standard book number
15:15 tcohen wahanui: a valid isbn13 is 9784873113685
15:15 wahanui OK, tcohen.
15:15 tcohen valid isbn13?
15:15 wahanui valid isbn13 is, like, 9784873113685
15:15 gmcharlt so _that's_ why billg was in #koha that one day!
15:15 kf gmcharlt: hm?
15:16 gmcharlt (oops, nothing like responding to outdated scrollback; context was some joking about the karma value of 'windows')
15:16 kf ah :)
15:16 kf happens to me too
15:24 tcohen btw
15:24 tcohen wahanui: a valid isbn10 is 291409891X
15:24 wahanui OK, tcohen.
15:30 rambutan wahanui: coffee?
15:30 wahanui well, coffee is mostly not Brooke's medicine
15:37 tcohen isbn is 020 for MARC21, what about UNIMARC or NORMARC?
15:37 tcohen (020$a)
15:38 kf i know it's a different field, but I forget which
15:38 kf maybe 010 like mentioned in the bug?
15:38 tcohen 010 for UNIMARC
15:38 tcohen ?
15:38 kf not sure
15:38 magnuse normarc = marc21 in that respect (phew)
15:38 kf not using Unimarc
15:42 tcohen do we have an OR in template::toolkit's IF ?
15:43 tcohen oleonard?
15:43 wahanui i guess oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
15:45 jcamins tcohen: [% ELSE %]?
15:45 slef tcohen: I think we do but I may be confusing it with python. perldoc Template::Manual::Syntax looks like it might not
15:45 jcamins Or do  you mean ||
15:45 tcohen || exactly
15:46 slef perldoc Template::Manual::Directives says yes
15:46 tcohen will it work?
15:46 jcamins Then, yes.
15:46 slef perldoc Template::Manual::Directives says yes
15:46 jcamins There is an or operator.
15:46 tcohen [% IF ( marcflavour == 'MARC21' ) || ( marcflavour == 'NORMARC' ) %]
15:46 tcohen would be valid then
15:47 jcamins The parentheses should be around the entire thing not each term separately.
15:47 slef Got a library commenting that <<biblio.title>> and <<>> are blank in their DUE notices. Anyone seen that?
15:47 kf are they filed in the database?
15:48 kf filled
15:48 kf author is often empty when there is no 100
15:48 slef kf: I'm trying to check that now
15:48 kf but for example a corporate author instead in ... 110?
15:49 kf also, how are their notices formatted? DUE or DUEDGST?
15:51 slef DUE, I think.  Bizarrely, I can't see anything in issues for the borrower named in the notice they've posted :-/
15:52 kf perhaps it's been given back by now?
15:52 slef ah oops probably
15:52 slef checking old_issues
15:53 tcohen I need to get the contents of a field/subfield, do we have js for that already?
15:53 jcamins tcohen: where?
15:53 jcamins the first question?
15:53 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
15:54 tcohen i want to read the isbn from the cataloguing form
15:54 slef kf++ author is NULL... but why was title blank too?
15:55 jcamins Ah.
15:55 jcamins Not easily, to my knowledge.
15:55 tcohen document.getElementById, how cna I calculate the id?
15:55 slef tcohen: look at the id attribute
15:55 tcohen tag_020_subfield_a_*
15:55 tcohen but * is just some random stuff
15:56 jcamins tcohen: it's entirely random.
15:57 tcohen the ui manages to find the mandatory fields of the form,
15:57 tcohen so it shuold be do-able
15:57 jcamins I think that the mandatory fields may be marked as such in the markup.
15:58 jcamins However, my fingers are crossed that you are right. :)
15:59 magnuse slef: yes, i have DUE without the bibliographic details
15:59 slef magnuse: any idea why?
15:59 wahanui any idea why is this error message Server access denied
15:59 slef wahanui: forget any idea why
15:59 wahanui slef: I forgot any idea why
16:00 magnuse slef: not sure. the one i checked i had both author and title in the db
16:00 tcohen this doesn't look good
16:00 kf slef: so title is there in the database?
16:00 kf wht does their template look like?
16:01 slef The following item is now due:
16:01 slef <<biblio.title>> by <<>>
16:01 slef (with bits before and after which are working)
16:01 magnuse slef: i was working on the assumption that it had something to do with the messages being sent from "Overdue notice/status triggers" and not from the enhanced messaging setup. i only fixed that properly today, so i will have to see if that affected things next time it is run
16:02 magnuse i have another library running off the same code where it works
16:02 slef magnuse: aha, I'll check if they've EnhancedMessaging on
16:02 magnuse it's 3.8.10
16:02 slef this is 3.8.something
16:02 slef EnhancedMessagingPreferences is set
16:03 magnuse the only difference i have seen between the two setups is where the messages were triggered
16:03 magnuse but i have not checked the code to see if that backs up my theory
16:03 slef they're as I think they can only upgrade on certain dates
16:03 magnuse huh? :-)
16:03 magnuse @quote get 123 ?
16:03 wahanui
16:03 huginn magnuse: (quote get [<channel>] <id>) -- Gets the quote with id <id> from the quote database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
16:04 magnuse @quote get 123
16:04 wahanui
16:04 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
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16:04 reiveune bye
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16:04 slef oh this is quite common with Big Sites... they define at-risk periods
16:04 magnuse oh well, gotta run - see some of you on monday!! :-)
16:04 slef bye magnuse :-/
16:05 * slef tries to find magnuse's bug report
16:05 christophe_c see you monday magnuse ;-) good trip
16:06 slef hrmph only found bug 4171 at first attempt
16:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4171 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , needs an overhaul
16:06 slef true but not quite what I was aiming for
16:06 jcamins slef: I thought that was your bug?
16:06 slef jcamins: which? :)
16:07 jcamins Overhauling the overdue rules.
16:07 slef jcamins: unsurprisingly, we may have a duplicate
16:08 slef jcamins: bug 9296 is mine but that's less radical
16:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Signed Off , overduerules table needs restructuring to allow future extension
16:14 kf slef: that's probably why yours has a patch ;)
16:14 jcamins @later tell bag There is an article on the HBR blog about 100% virtual companies.
16:14 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
16:15 * slef wonders how to make the enhancedmessaging setup work, or whether to punt this until magnuse reports back
16:15 kf slef: can you check if the DUE ended up in notice triggers for overdues?
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16:15 kf because it should not be there.. but with libraries you never know :)
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16:15 slef kf: oooh good point
16:16 slef bwahahaahahaah
16:16 slef kf++ again
16:16 kf lol - magnuse said that earlier - I think it only got lost :)
16:17 slef yeah I got confused what he meant I think
16:17 slef magnuse++ too
16:17 slef just in case it was me failing
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16:23 jcamins bgallagher: I just left your other nick a message about there being an article about virtual offices on the HBR blog.
16:24 bgallagher Cool I will look for it thanks Jared
16:26 kf hbr?
16:27 jcamins Harvard Business Review.
16:29 rambutan I want some virtual money to pay virtual companies for real, tangible products and services.
16:30 jcamins BTC?
16:30 jcamins You can get VPS hosting with BTC.
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16:32 jcamins Sometimes you can even get cookies for BTC, but only if you know the right person.
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16:41 magnuse slef: no bug report from me because my first hypothesis was that the missing data was caused by a faulty setup
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16:43 kf jcamins: btc?
16:44 jcamins Bitcoins.
16:44 slef I know an online chocolate shop that takes BTC payment
16:44 jcamins A proof-of-concept for a wholly virtual currency.
16:45 * jcamins has 0.84 BTC.
16:46 * jcamins has no idea what they're good for.
16:46 kf oh
16:46 kf where did you get them?
16:46 drojf isn't bitcoin basically getting some virtual currency for paying a lot of electricity?
16:47 jcamins drojf: pretty much.
16:47 jcamins A friend gave them to me.
16:48 drojf but well, i think they are quite expensive at the moment. i should check that with electricity prices :)
16:49 jcamins drojf: very expensive. Almost $50.
16:49 jcamins In fact, 1BTC could pay for one pound of butter at Norwegian butter crisis prices.
16:49 drojf hahaha
16:51 jcamins I can't get over the fact that a month-long butter shortage cost a country 43mil Euro.
16:53 drojf yeah it's crazy
16:53 drojf the craziest thing is that i did not go there with smuggled butter
16:53 jcamins lol
16:53 drojf i could have exchanged a piece of butter for a bottle of beer :P
16:54 jcamins drojf: a small piece of butter for a large beer!
16:54 drojf exactly :D
16:55 magnuse jcamins: where did you see that number?
16:56 jcamins magnuse: Wikipedia.
16:56 magnuse ah :-)
16:57 jcamins magnuse: your country has become one of my preferred topics of conversation ever since I heard about the Norwegian butter crisis.
16:57 jcamins Way more interesting than the marmite shortage.
16:58 magnuse lol
16:58 magnuse better come visit us and do some first hand studies, then! :-)
16:58 jcamins :)
16:59 jcamins "This is the Norwegian in his natural habitat. Notice the packages of butter filling the refrigerator. Scientists speculate..."
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16:59 magnuse hehe
16:59 * magnuse makes pizza
17:00 drojf kitchen stories :P
17:00 magnuse (without butter)
17:00 jcamins Mmm.
17:00 jcamins Pizza.
17:00 jcamins Now I want pizza.
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17:17 kf me too
17:18 tcohen wording: is this ok? "The ISBN you introduced seems invalid. It that's how it appears on your item then put it on <field>$z"
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17:19 tcohen valid isbn13?
17:19 wahanui it has been said that valid isbn13 is 9784873113685
17:21 tcohen an english speaker please?
17:25 rambutan The ISBN you entered seems invalid.
17:26 tcohen and the rest?
17:26 wahanui i guess the rest is just distraction
17:26 rambutan If that's how it appears on your item then put it in <field>$z
17:27 tcohen (of course <field> matches MARC21/NORMARC and UNIMARC corresponding fields)
17:28 tcohen thanks rambutan
17:28 kf :)
17:28 rambutan np
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17:37 jcamins Wow. The authority functionality in 3.10 really is lightyears ahead of 3.6's.
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18:18 tcohen quick poll: on cataloguing, if the ISBN is found invalid, should we enforce the use of $z to put it there? should it be syspref controlled?
18:19 jcamins tcohen: syspref controlled, and how about: "The ISBN you entered seems invalid. If you entered it exactly as it appears on the item, put it in 020$z."
18:20 tcohen i'll bake cookies for you if you propose a name for the syspref
18:20 jcamins tcohen: ooooh.
18:20 tcohen maube pizza
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18:21 jcamins RequireValidISBN in the Cataloging tab?
18:21 cait tcohen: hm could it be a catalouging plugin too?
18:21 tcohen elaborate cait
18:22 cait I was just thinking that might be the usual way of dealing with things like that
18:22 cait plugins are little perl scripts that are linked to a field, that way you can do it by framework
18:22 cait but I also like the pref idea and name :)
18:23 bgallagher Hey cait getting ready to board my plane - I'm on my way towards you all!  I'm excited !
18:23 jcamins cait: I'm not sure it could be for this, since the plugins aren't triggered on validation.
18:23 cait bgallagher: excited too!!
18:23 cait have a safe trip!
18:23 cait jcamins: I believe you - but can oyu explain a bit?
18:23 cait triggered on validation?
18:24 jcamins cait: the plugins can be triggered when you click a field, but they can't be triggered to check that a field is good before saving.
18:24 jcamins I think.
18:24 cait hm but we do that
18:24 cait well
18:24 cait at least it triggers for mandatory fields when they are empty
18:24 cait so that is probably different
18:25 jcamins Right. But making ISBN mandatory would be bad.
18:25 cait bgallagher: cya on sunday :)
18:25 tcohen ciat, jcamins
18:25 tcohen uff, my typing skills... obviously its friday
18:26 jcamins tcohen: my suggested wording is a little more idiomatic, but it looks good to me generally.
18:27 tcohen i've already fixed the wording as you suggested
18:27 jcamins Yay!
18:28 jcamins tcohen++
18:28 tcohen was an old screenshot
18:30 cait bug 9755
18:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9755 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Record merge code needs to be refactored
18:30 tcohen cait, mandatory fields are handled in javascript, with data fetched from on load time
18:31 cait tcohen: um ok :)
18:31 cait brain tired
18:31 tcohen i've just noticed because hacking those files last hours
18:33 cait bug 9370
18:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9370 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , use Library::CallNumber::LC when splitting LC call numbers for spine labels
18:41 tcohen sysprefs?
18:41 wahanui sysprefs are "System Preferences", found on my Koha admin homepage
18:41 tcohen yes, but where on the wiki wahanui?
18:41 jcamins system preferences?
18:41 wahanui system preferences is[…]ystem_Preferences
18:45 tcohen should it go under "Record structure" jcamins?
18:46 jcamins tcohen: Yes.
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19:20 tcohen valid isbn10
19:20 wahanui valid isbn10 is 291409891X
19:20 tcohen valid isbn13
19:20 wahanui valid isbn13 is probably 9784873113685
19:28 tcohen bug 906
19:28 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , ISBN Check
19:30 cait tcohen: maybe assign the bug to yourself?
19:30 cait :)
19:31 tcohen oh, u want me to take full responsability for it?
19:31 tcohen :-P
19:37 tcohen oh, i thought it was the oldest standing bug, but it appears that bug 900 is 7 days older
19:37 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=900 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Unimarc Authorities
19:38 tcohen bye #koha, have a nice weekend
20:27 jcamins Oh, interesting.
20:27 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:28 jcamins Upgrading to 3.10 from 3.6 broke the maximum limit on fixed fields.
20:29 jcamins Probably not a feature.
20:50 * jcamins contemplates this fore edge painting by Titian's cousin and assistant, considers the fact that it's pretty much the high point to his week, cataloging-wise, and decides to end on that triumphal note.
20:50 jcamins (yes, I know, I just cataloged a book with a fore edge painting by Titian's cousin!)
20:57 jcamins Okay, #koha.
20:57 jcamins You have been warned again of the impending feature slush.
20:58 jcamins You have three hours.
20:59 jcamins Bug 9820 is annoying.
20:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9820 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Missing space between 100/700 $a and $c (MARC21/XSLT)
21:00 * gmcharlt looks
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21:05 jcamins bgkriegel++
21:06 jcamins So long, #koha.
21:07 tcohen what should I rise bgkriegel's karma for?
21:11 maximep hey, it's getting late to ask this, but i'm wondering how you guys do something and if it would be a cool feature
21:12 maximep if you land something like an ipad that needs to be recharged
21:12 maximep having a period for a document type where the item isn't available
21:14 maximep would that be interesting for anyone ?
21:15 tcohen as a spanish speaking person I didn't understand what you are proposing
21:15 maximep as a french speaker, sometimes I'm not explaining myself clearly :p
21:16 gmcharlt @later tell jcamins easy peasy, I'll have a patch for 9820 posted shortly
21:16 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
21:16 tcohen (my intention was to blame my english)
21:16 maximep =)
21:17 maximep let's try again
21:17 maximep be able to have an item type like "eletronics" where you can add a time between checkouts
21:17 maximep so when you the user checks in an ipad, it can't be lent for a period
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21:21 tcohen hmm, an embargo period (sort of)
21:21 maximep embargo is a weird word for it lol
21:21 maximep but i guess
21:21 tcohen terminology borrowed from DSpace
21:23 tcohen most of our libraries do that with books, to check them being broken and such
21:24 tcohen didn't thought of it, the idea is making the users aware through koha that the item is not yet available
21:24 tcohen right?
21:24 maximep exact
21:27 * tcohen is thinking what patch can he write before jcamins deadline
21:28 tcohen maybe a Zebra indexer daemon?
21:30 gmcharlt maximep: tcohen: a shelving internval?
21:30 gmcharlt or rather, reshelving internval?
21:31 tcohen yes gmcharlt, the right idiomatic expression didn't come out :-D
21:31 maximep gmcharlt: yes! great term for it
21:33 maximep oh, evergreen seems to have something like that
21:33 maximep "Ability for returned items to take on a current location of 'reshelving' for a library specified period of time before they revert to their destination location/collection"
21:34 maximep I didn't know there was a "Open Source ILS Feature Comparison Tool" comparing koha and evergreen o_O
21:34 gmcharlt yeah, there's a cronjob that handles updating the status from reshelving to available based on the specified interval
21:34 gmcharlt yep, it's something LBA and crew put together
21:41 maximep hmmm[…]reshelving-status
21:41 maximep it says koha has it
21:43 gmcharlt maximep: use - see http://manual.koha-community.o[…]inglocations.html
21:45 maximep hmmm interesting
21:45 wahanui it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:46 maximep thanks for the link, will look more at it
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21:58 druthb o/
22:05 * druthb tries again.
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22:54 jcamins gmcharlt++
23:10 jcamins What is the point of having people copy and paste a random "verification" string when registering an account?
23:15 gmcharlt jcamins: a captcha?
23:15 wahanui a captcha is bad. I'm "normal" and I can't get it half the time, must be so frustrating for differently abled people.
23:17 jcamins gmcharlt: Yeah, but... what possible value does it provide?
23:17 jcamins I mean, it's not like librarians are aware that someone tried to create an account.
23:18 jcamins And it's so stupidly easy to break if someone wants to automate account creation that it provides no deterrent.
23:19 gmcharlt well, they might be if the feature got fleshed out a bit -- presumably many would still have to verify identify / residence of the patron for them to actual exercise privileges
23:19 jcamins I think I read an article about how the "difficult" captchas are now more likely to cause problems for people than bots.
23:19 gmcharlt I'm not saying that the captcha itself is a good idea, but I wouldn't ununderetimate the desire of spammers / bored kills to play games
23:20 jcamins Oh, I don't, I just don't see how this captcha helps.
23:20 jcamins Obviously I don't particularly object, or I wouldn't have pushed the code in the first place.
23:23 jcamins You know, I have equivocated on bug 9690 long enough. I am pushing it.
23:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9690 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Replace YUI buttons on the catalog search results page with Bootstrap
23:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9436' into 3.12-master <[…]bb6a99a3e47d9908f> / Bug 9436 [Revised] Use DataTables on cities administration page <[…]3b39bd8775b1731b8> / Merge branch 'bug_9466' into 3.12-master <[…]git;a=commitdiff;
23:37 jenkins_koha Starting build #1076 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1073 3 days 23 hr ago)
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