Time Nick Message 00:53 trea lists? 00:53 trea listserv? 00:54 trea mailing list? 00:54 wahanui mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 00:54 trea there we go 02:15 eythian wahanui: lists is <reply>try 'listserv', $who 02:15 wahanui OK, eythian. 02:15 eythian wahanui: listserv is <reply>try 'mailing list', $who 02:15 wahanui OK, eythian. 02:16 wizzyrea forums? 02:16 wahanui forums are http://koha-community.org/support/forums/ 02:16 eythian wahanui: csvtomarc 02:16 wahanui csvtomarc is an external script to help with migrations. 02:16 cjh hahaha 02:16 wizzyrea OH SNAP. 02:16 * wizzyrea wonders if she did that 02:16 wizzyrea if not, good work whoever did :P 02:17 wizzyrea hehe no it was mjr 02:17 wizzyrea slef++ 02:17 eythian no wahanui, csvtomarc is <reply>the latest version is at https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox - improvements welcome 02:17 wahanui okay, eythian. 03:03 bag evening 03:03 wahanui evening is better for me - but not too late 03:03 wizzyrea forget evening 03:03 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot evening 03:04 bag Hi wizzyrea 03:04 wizzyrea hi :) 03:05 bag gmcharlt: HA from the @later 03:05 bag wizzyrea isn't it beer time there? 03:05 gmcharlt :) 03:05 wizzyrea nearly :) 03:06 bag gmcharlt I really wish I still had the nick brendan instead of bag 03:06 bag But my dad is very proud that finally somewhere in my life I am using bag :P 03:09 bag oh man that comment scared away mtj 03:21 bag welcome back mtj 07:28 * magnuse waves 07:39 reiveune hello 08:04 kf good morning #koha 08:05 asaurat hi 08:09 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:09 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 08:09 kf @wunder Marseille 08:09 huginn kf: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). 08:11 kf hm 08:19 magnuse kf: the forecast for next week is not too bad, though! http://www.yr.no/place/France/Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te_d%E2%80%99Azur/Vieux-Port/long.html 08:19 magnuse very windy today, though 08:23 drojf jcamins++ kf++ 08:24 drojf good morning #koha 08:32 christophe_c hi #koha 08:42 magnuse bonjour! 09:20 drojf when i try to check out an item i get »No branchcode argument passed to Koha::Calendar->new at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 3036« in a 3.10.2 from tarball 09:24 magnuse drojf: you're not logged in as the db user, right? 09:24 drojf no, i'm logged in as myself 09:24 magnuse ok, no idea then :-( 09:27 kf drojf: hmmm 09:27 kf did you load sample data? 09:27 kf for holidays? 09:28 kf and does the user have a proper branch? 09:28 drojf good question. there was also no default rule for checkouts but that did not change anything 09:28 drojf yes branch is there 09:28 kf for item too? 09:28 drojf yes 09:32 drojf there was nothing in holidays. i added sunday. same error 09:34 magnuse what does the line in Circulation.pm look like? 09:35 drojf my $calendar = Koha::Calendar->new( branchcode => $branch ); 09:35 kf did you check the holiday related tables? 09:35 kf the sample data has no branch code 09:36 drojf hm but there was no sample data 09:39 kf hm than it's probably not the reason :( 09:49 alohabot Hi mib_c075j9, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 09:49 mib_c075j9 hi 09:49 wahanui hello, mib_c075j9 09:50 shanreta i have a question about changing search order? 09:50 shanreta has anyone done this? 09:52 kf it depends on what you want to do - can you describe your problem a bit more? 09:53 shanreta the default search on the front page is 'library catalogue' 09:53 shanreta this is not working well for us at the moment 09:54 shanreta we would like to change the search order dropdown 09:54 shanreta so 'title keyword' is first 09:54 shanreta then author, subject, and title phrase 09:54 shanreta i assume there is some jquery changes involved as well as css? 09:55 shanreta or is it just js? 09:55 shanreta we are running 3.10 at the moment 09:56 shanreta i haven't been able to find anything on this particular issue anywhere on the list or in the library 09:57 shanreta which usually means it is too difficult or too easy :) 10:23 drojf magnuse: the default framework was changed and the koha fields removed for 952_ab 10:24 drojf @quote 123 10:24 wahanui @quote get 123 10:24 huginn drojf: I suck 10:24 huginn wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 10:24 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>... 10:26 magnuse drojf: ouch! 10:26 drojf yes, great idea :D 10:31 shanreta hello 10:31 wahanui privet, shanreta 10:35 kf sorry shanreta - lots to do here 10:35 kf you could do it with jquery 10:35 kf css would not work 11:00 shanreta ok 11:00 shanreta something must set the current order 11:01 kf it's hardcoded in the template 11:01 shanreta oh boy 11:01 kf you can use jquery to move the elements around 11:01 kf it actually is not that hard to do 11:01 kf jquery library 11:01 wahanui i heard jquery library was found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 11:01 shanreta good cause i'm new to jquery 11:02 shanreta yeah i've looked there 11:02 shanreta i see ways to rename the current fields 11:04 kf I don't have the time to help you right now, but maybe try an email to the mailing list 11:04 shanreta ok thanks kf 11:21 slef sent reminder to ptfs-europe to get that ILL enh into bugs 11:22 slef Am I right to think that my best tactic is to make sure all our enh are in bugzilla today, then to review/signoff enh/new bugs next week, then switch back to bugfixes? 11:27 magnuse slef: "Starting on March 15, any patch adding a new feature or enhancement which has not already been attached to a bug on Bugzilla (or submitted to Koha via git branch) will not be considered for inclusion in Koha 3.12. " 11:28 magnuse i read that as patches for enhancements need to be attached to bugs by today 11:28 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.12 11:29 slef magnuse: yeah, so do you think reviewing enh until 22nd seems best? 11:29 slef phone 11:30 magnuse slef: yeah, for enh where the patch is already in bugzilla, the coming week is the last chance to get in 11:30 magnuse as far as i understand 11:41 kf finding the right mix between fixing critical bugs and enhancements might be the thing 11:41 kf but not sure how one can 11:43 slef so the other question is: who will offer us the best incentives to signoff and QA review their enh/new bugs? ;-) 11:44 magnuse hehe, yeah 11:45 magnuse i'm thinking i will focus mostly on bugfixes and finding bugs next week, unless there are some really tasty enh that i would like to see make it in :-) 11:45 kf there are some things our libraries have been asking for 11:46 kf I might take a look at those too 11:46 kf there is always so much I woud like to do :( 11:46 magnuse 110 bugs found for Severity: enhancement, new feature + Status: Needs Signoff 11:47 magnuse only 23 "needs signoff" are bugfixes 11:48 magnuse wow, i would have guessed that was ~50/50 or thereabouts 11:49 kf not currently 11:49 kf but lots of filed bugs remain... untouched 11:52 magnuse yeah, all bugs by severity and status: 940... http://bit.ly/1406oeA 11:55 magnuse hm, there might be things in there that are really enhs 11:58 kf and some evil bugs and regressions *sigh* 12:00 magnuse of course ;-) 12:10 ambz Hi 12:10 wahanui hey, ambz 12:12 ambz I'm forking the codebase. Is it okay to use git://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha.git or git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git? Are they both in sync (or the same repository)> 12:12 ambz ? 12:13 magnuse ambz: they should be in sync, but the one on koha-community.org is the official one 12:13 ambz magnuse: thanks. 12:14 ambz I'll use the github repo, since I'm more familiar with github (and it has a nice code browser and other features). 12:14 magnuse yeah, github is convenient :-) 12:14 ambz Yeah I love github :) 12:15 * jcamins just updated the Github repo to tell people it's a mirror. 12:15 magnuse jcamins++ 12:16 magnuse Branches 2,521 - hehe 12:31 magnuse @wunder boo 12:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (1:20 PM CET on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 12:31 magnuse @wunder marseille 12:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (1:00 PM CET on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 12:37 tcohen hi #koha 12:39 magnuse hiya tcohen 12:42 tcohen how r u doin magnuse 12:43 magnuse doing good, starting to sink in that i'm going to marseille on sunday :-) 12:43 magnuse and yourself? 12:46 tcohen hoping the day ends soon, so I can see DelPo beat Murray at IW 12:46 tcohen thinking of providing a quick patch for bug 960 also magnuse 12:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=960 normal, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, Link to member in circulation 12:47 tcohen I meant bug 906 12:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, NEW , ISBN Check 12:49 * magnuse has no clue to what "DelPo beat Murray at IW" means ;-) 12:49 magnuse ooh, that's a nice old bug to get rid of... 12:50 tcohen oh, i tend to think everyone loved tennis magnuse, sorry 12:51 magnuse tcohen: :-) 12:58 tcohen should we enforce ISBN without dash? 12:59 jcamins No. 12:59 jcamins There are conflicting standards. 13:03 kf morning jcamins :) 13:03 kf how do you feel? ready to push? :) 13:05 tcohen jcamins: what other symbols might I strip for IN calculation? 13:05 tcohen s/IN/ISBN/ 13:06 kf tcohen: not sure, but we have a module dealing with isbn - maybe that provides a check for validity already? 13:06 kf so you wouldn't have to figure it out yourself 13:06 tcohen i'll look for it 13:06 kf isbn business or similar I think 13:06 kf i remember koha exploding when you forgot to add it :) 13:07 kf i think it could be this: http://search.cpan.org/~bdfoy/Business-ISBN-2.05/lib/ISBN.pm 13:07 tcohen hmm, i thought it should be done at javascript level 13:07 kf tcohen++ for working on long standing stuff :) 13:08 kf tcohen: maybe there are still some useful hints 13:10 magnuse yeah Business::ISBN is the one to look at 13:12 kf or a regex you coud steal :) 13:15 slef github is nasty :( 13:15 slef convenient but nasty 13:17 ambz slef: how is it nasty? 13:22 slef ambz: its patch requests and issue tracker are incompatible with git, its source is secret, registration is required and they demand your full legal name to register as a user, on pain of nuking your changes. 13:22 slef pull requests, not patch requests, sorry. 13:23 slef @wunder EGCL 13:23 huginn slef: The current temperature in Gedney Hill, Spalding, United Kingdom is 8.2°C (1:16 PM GMT on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 13:24 slef bbi60+ 13:37 ambz slef: i haven't provided my full legal name on github... can they really nuke my commits? 13:42 jeff sure. 13:42 jeff > GitHub, in its sole discretion, has the right to suspend or terminate your account and refuse any and all current or future use of the Service, or any other GitHub service, for any reason at any time. 13:42 jeff this is common in many terms of service. 13:48 ambz wow 13:49 ambz perhaps I should start reading tNc agreements before clicking on "I accept" 13:49 ambz :) 15:05 tcohen anyone with a valid isbn13? 15:05 rambutan @wunder bangkok 15:05 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Sala Thammasop, Thawi Watthana, Thailand is 28.1°C (9:55 PM ICT on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 15:06 rambutan @wunder pattaya 15:06 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Jomtien, Jomtien, Thailand is 28.1°C (9:50 PM ICT on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 15:06 tcohen @wunder isbn13 15:06 huginn tcohen: Error: No such location could be found. 15:06 rambutan isbn? 15:07 rambutan where are the bots? wahanui should have some response 15:08 tcohen isbn13? 15:08 rambutan wahanui: marc? 15:08 wahanui http://marc-must-die.info 15:09 rambutan wahanui: isbn? 15:13 kf rambutan: he doesn't know all and everything 15:13 kf wahanui: isbn is the international standard book number 15:13 kf isbn? 15:13 wahanui i guess isbn is the international standard book number 15:15 tcohen wahanui: a valid isbn13 is 9784873113685 15:15 wahanui OK, tcohen. 15:15 tcohen valid isbn13? 15:15 wahanui valid isbn13 is, like, 9784873113685 15:15 gmcharlt so _that's_ why billg was in #koha that one day! 15:15 kf gmcharlt: hm? 15:16 gmcharlt (oops, nothing like responding to outdated scrollback; context was some joking about the karma value of 'windows') 15:16 kf ah :) 15:16 kf happens to me too 15:24 tcohen btw 15:24 tcohen wahanui: a valid isbn10 is 291409891X 15:24 wahanui OK, tcohen. 15:30 rambutan wahanui: coffee? 15:30 wahanui well, coffee is mostly not Brooke's medicine 15:37 tcohen isbn is 020 for MARC21, what about UNIMARC or NORMARC? 15:37 tcohen (020$a) 15:38 kf i know it's a different field, but I forget which 15:38 kf maybe 010 like mentioned in the bug? 15:38 tcohen 010 for UNIMARC 15:38 tcohen ? 15:38 kf not sure 15:38 magnuse normarc = marc21 in that respect (phew) 15:38 kf not using Unimarc 15:42 tcohen do we have an OR in template::toolkit's IF ? 15:43 tcohen oleonard? 15:43 wahanui i guess oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 15:45 jcamins tcohen: [% ELSE %]? 15:45 slef tcohen: I think we do but I may be confusing it with python. perldoc Template::Manual::Syntax looks like it might not 15:45 jcamins Or do you mean || 15:45 tcohen || exactly 15:46 slef perldoc Template::Manual::Directives says yes 15:46 tcohen will it work? 15:46 jcamins Then, yes. 15:46 slef perldoc Template::Manual::Directives says yes 15:46 jcamins There is an or operator. 15:46 tcohen [% IF ( marcflavour == 'MARC21' ) || ( marcflavour == 'NORMARC' ) %] 15:46 tcohen would be valid then 15:47 jcamins The parentheses should be around the entire thing not each term separately. 15:47 slef Got a library commenting that <<biblio.title>> and <<biblio.author>> are blank in their DUE notices. Anyone seen that? 15:47 kf are they filed in the database? 15:48 kf filled 15:48 kf author is often empty when there is no 100 15:48 slef kf: I'm trying to check that now 15:48 kf but for example a corporate author instead in ... 110? 15:49 kf also, how are their notices formatted? DUE or DUEDGST? 15:51 slef DUE, I think. Bizarrely, I can't see anything in issues for the borrower named in the notice they've posted :-/ 15:52 kf perhaps it's been given back by now? 15:52 slef ah oops probably 15:52 slef checking old_issues 15:53 tcohen I need to get the contents of a field/subfield, do we have js for that already? 15:53 jcamins tcohen: where? 15:53 jcamins the first question? 15:53 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 15:54 tcohen i want to read the isbn from the cataloguing form 15:54 slef kf++ author is NULL... but why was title blank too? 15:55 jcamins Ah. 15:55 jcamins Not easily, to my knowledge. 15:55 tcohen document.getElementById, how cna I calculate the id? 15:55 slef tcohen: look at the id attribute 15:55 tcohen tag_020_subfield_a_* 15:55 tcohen but * is just some random stuff 15:56 jcamins tcohen: it's entirely random. 15:57 tcohen the ui manages to find the mandatory fields of the form, 15:57 tcohen so it shuold be do-able 15:57 jcamins I think that the mandatory fields may be marked as such in the markup. 15:58 jcamins However, my fingers are crossed that you are right. :) 15:59 magnuse slef: yes, i have DUE without the bibliographic details 15:59 slef magnuse: any idea why? 15:59 wahanui any idea why is this error message Server access denied 15:59 slef wahanui: forget any idea why 15:59 wahanui slef: I forgot any idea why 16:00 magnuse slef: not sure. the one i checked i had both author and title in the db 16:00 tcohen this doesn't look good 16:00 kf slef: so title is there in the database? 16:00 kf wht does their template look like? 16:01 slef The following item is now due: 16:01 slef <<biblio.title>> by <<biblio.author>> 16:01 slef (with bits before and after which are working) 16:01 magnuse slef: i was working on the assumption that it had something to do with the messages being sent from "Overdue notice/status triggers" and not from the enhanced messaging setup. i only fixed that properly today, so i will have to see if that affected things next time it is run 16:02 magnuse i have another library running off the same code where it works 16:02 slef magnuse: aha, I'll check if they've EnhancedMessaging on 16:02 magnuse it's 3.8.10 16:02 slef this is 3.8.something 16:02 slef EnhancedMessagingPreferences is set 16:03 magnuse the only difference i have seen between the two setups is where the messages were triggered 16:03 magnuse but i have not checked the code to see if that backs up my theory 16:03 slef they're 3.08.03.000 as I think they can only upgrade on certain dates 16:03 magnuse huh? :-) 16:03 magnuse @quote get 123 ? 16:03 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 16:03 huginn magnuse: (quote get [<channel>] <id>) -- Gets the quote with id <id> from the quote database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 16:04 magnuse @quote get 123 16:04 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 16:04 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 16:04 reiveune bye 16:04 slef oh this is quite common with Big Sites... they define at-risk periods 16:04 magnuse oh well, gotta run - see some of you on monday!! :-) 16:04 slef bye magnuse :-/ 16:05 * slef tries to find magnuse's bug report 16:05 christophe_c see you monday magnuse ;-) good trip 16:06 slef hrmph only found bug 4171 at first attempt 16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4171 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , overduerules.pl needs an overhaul 16:06 slef true but not quite what I was aiming for 16:06 jcamins slef: I thought that was your bug? 16:06 slef jcamins: which? :) 16:07 jcamins Overhauling the overdue rules. 16:07 slef jcamins: unsurprisingly, we may have a duplicate 16:08 slef jcamins: bug 9296 is mine but that's less radical 16:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Signed Off , overduerules table needs restructuring to allow future extension 16:14 kf slef: that's probably why yours has a patch ;) 16:14 jcamins @later tell bag There is an article on the HBR blog about 100% virtual companies. 16:14 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 16:15 * slef wonders how to make the enhancedmessaging setup work, or whether to punt this until magnuse reports back 16:15 kf slef: can you check if the DUE ended up in notice triggers for overdues? 16:15 kf because it should not be there.. but with libraries you never know :) 16:15 slef kf: oooh good point 16:16 slef bwahahaahahaah 16:16 slef kf++ again 16:16 kf lol - magnuse said that earlier - I think it only got lost :) 16:17 slef yeah I got confused what he meant I think 16:17 slef magnuse++ too 16:17 slef just in case it was me failing 16:23 jcamins bgallagher: I just left your other nick a message about there being an article about virtual offices on the HBR blog. 16:24 bgallagher Cool I will look for it thanks Jared 16:26 kf hbr? 16:27 jcamins Harvard Business Review. 16:29 rambutan I want some virtual money to pay virtual companies for real, tangible products and services. 16:30 jcamins BTC? 16:30 jcamins You can get VPS hosting with BTC. 16:32 jcamins Sometimes you can even get cookies for BTC, but only if you know the right person. 16:41 magnuse slef: no bug report from me because my first hypothesis was that the missing data was caused by a faulty setup 16:43 kf jcamins: btc? 16:44 jcamins Bitcoins. 16:44 slef I know an online chocolate shop that takes BTC payment 16:44 jcamins A proof-of-concept for a wholly virtual currency. 16:45 * jcamins has 0.84 BTC. 16:46 * jcamins has no idea what they're good for. 16:46 kf oh 16:46 kf where did you get them? 16:46 drojf isn't bitcoin basically getting some virtual currency for paying a lot of electricity? 16:47 jcamins drojf: pretty much. 16:47 jcamins A friend gave them to me. 16:48 drojf but well, i think they are quite expensive at the moment. i should check that with electricity prices :) 16:49 jcamins drojf: very expensive. Almost $50. 16:49 jcamins In fact, 1BTC could pay for one pound of butter at Norwegian butter crisis prices. 16:49 drojf hahaha 16:51 jcamins I can't get over the fact that a month-long butter shortage cost a country 43mil Euro. 16:53 drojf yeah it's crazy 16:53 drojf the craziest thing is that i did not go there with smuggled butter 16:53 jcamins lol 16:53 drojf i could have exchanged a piece of butter for a bottle of beer :P 16:54 jcamins drojf: a small piece of butter for a large beer! 16:54 drojf exactly :D 16:55 magnuse jcamins: where did you see that number? 16:56 jcamins magnuse: Wikipedia. 16:56 magnuse ah :-) 16:57 jcamins magnuse: your country has become one of my preferred topics of conversation ever since I heard about the Norwegian butter crisis. 16:57 jcamins Way more interesting than the marmite shortage. 16:58 magnuse lol 16:58 magnuse better come visit us and do some first hand studies, then! :-) 16:58 jcamins :) 16:59 jcamins "This is the Norwegian in his natural habitat. Notice the packages of butter filling the refrigerator. Scientists speculate..." 16:59 magnuse hehe 16:59 * magnuse makes pizza 17:00 drojf kitchen stories :P 17:00 magnuse (without butter) 17:00 jcamins Mmm. 17:00 jcamins Pizza. 17:00 jcamins Now I want pizza. 17:17 kf me too 17:18 tcohen wording: is this ok? "The ISBN you introduced seems invalid. It that's how it appears on your item then put it on <field>$z" 17:19 tcohen valid isbn13? 17:19 wahanui it has been said that valid isbn13 is 9784873113685 17:21 tcohen an english speaker please? 17:25 rambutan The ISBN you entered seems invalid. 17:26 tcohen and the rest? 17:26 wahanui i guess the rest is just distraction 17:26 rambutan If that's how it appears on your item then put it in <field>$z 17:27 tcohen (of course <field> matches MARC21/NORMARC and UNIMARC corresponding fields) 17:28 tcohen thanks rambutan 17:28 kf :) 17:28 rambutan np 17:37 jcamins Wow. The authority functionality in 3.10 really is lightyears ahead of 3.6's. 18:18 tcohen quick poll: on cataloguing, if the ISBN is found invalid, should we enforce the use of $z to put it there? should it be syspref controlled? 18:19 jcamins tcohen: syspref controlled, and how about: "The ISBN you entered seems invalid. If you entered it exactly as it appears on the item, put it in 020$z." 18:20 tcohen i'll bake cookies for you if you propose a name for the syspref 18:20 jcamins tcohen: ooooh. 18:20 tcohen maube pizza 18:21 jcamins RequireValidISBN in the Cataloging tab? 18:21 cait tcohen: hm could it be a catalouging plugin too? 18:21 tcohen elaborate cait 18:22 cait I was just thinking that might be the usual way of dealing with things like that 18:22 cait plugins are little perl scripts that are linked to a field, that way you can do it by framework 18:22 cait but I also like the pref idea and name :) 18:23 bgallagher Hey cait getting ready to board my plane - I'm on my way towards you all! I'm excited ! 18:23 jcamins cait: I'm not sure it could be for this, since the plugins aren't triggered on validation. 18:23 cait bgallagher: excited too!! 18:23 cait have a safe trip! 18:23 cait jcamins: I believe you - but can oyu explain a bit? 18:23 cait triggered on validation? 18:24 jcamins cait: the plugins can be triggered when you click a field, but they can't be triggered to check that a field is good before saving. 18:24 jcamins I think. 18:24 cait hm but we do that 18:24 cait well 18:24 cait at least it triggers for mandatory fields when they are empty 18:24 cait so that is probably different 18:25 jcamins Right. But making ISBN mandatory would be bad. 18:25 cait bgallagher: cya on sunday :) 18:25 tcohen ciat, jcamins http://pegarlo.es/ky 18:25 tcohen uff, my typing skills... obviously its friday 18:26 jcamins tcohen: my suggested wording is a little more idiomatic, but it looks good to me generally. 18:27 tcohen i've already fixed the wording as you suggested 18:27 jcamins Yay! 18:28 jcamins tcohen++ 18:28 tcohen was an old screenshot 18:30 cait bug 9755 18:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9755 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Record merge code needs to be refactored 18:30 tcohen cait, mandatory fields are handled in javascript, with data fetched from addbiblio.pl on load time 18:31 cait tcohen: um ok :) 18:31 cait brain tired 18:31 tcohen i've just noticed because hacking those files last hours 18:33 cait bug 9370 18:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9370 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , use Library::CallNumber::LC when splitting LC call numbers for spine labels 18:41 tcohen sysprefs? 18:41 wahanui sysprefs are "System Preferences", found on my Koha admin homepage 18:41 tcohen yes, but where on the wiki wahanui? 18:41 jcamins system preferences? 18:41 wahanui system preferences is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences 18:45 tcohen should it go under "Record structure" jcamins? 18:46 jcamins tcohen: Yes. 19:20 tcohen valid isbn10 19:20 wahanui valid isbn10 is 291409891X 19:20 tcohen valid isbn13 19:20 wahanui valid isbn13 is probably 9784873113685 19:28 tcohen bug 906 19:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , ISBN Check 19:30 cait tcohen: maybe assign the bug to yourself? 19:30 cait :) 19:31 tcohen oh, u want me to take full responsability for it? 19:31 tcohen :-P 19:37 tcohen oh, i thought it was the oldest standing bug, but it appears that bug 900 is 7 days older 19:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=900 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Unimarc Authorities 19:38 tcohen bye #koha, have a nice weekend 20:27 jcamins Oh, interesting. 20:27 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 20:28 jcamins Upgrading to 3.10 from 3.6 broke the maximum limit on fixed fields. 20:29 jcamins Probably not a feature. 20:50 * jcamins contemplates this fore edge painting by Titian's cousin and assistant, considers the fact that it's pretty much the high point to his week, cataloging-wise, and decides to end on that triumphal note. 20:50 jcamins (yes, I know, I just cataloged a book with a fore edge painting by Titian's cousin!) 20:57 jcamins Okay, #koha. 20:57 jcamins You have been warned again of the impending feature slush. 20:58 jcamins You have three hours. 20:59 jcamins Bug 9820 is annoying. 20:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9820 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Missing space between 100/700 $a and $c (MARC21/XSLT) 21:00 * gmcharlt looks 21:05 jcamins bgkriegel++ 21:06 jcamins So long, #koha. 21:07 tcohen what should I rise bgkriegel's karma for? 21:11 maximep hey, it's getting late to ask this, but i'm wondering how you guys do something and if it would be a cool feature 21:12 maximep if you land something like an ipad that needs to be recharged 21:12 maximep having a period for a document type where the item isn't available 21:14 maximep would that be interesting for anyone ? 21:15 tcohen as a spanish speaking person I didn't understand what you are proposing 21:15 maximep as a french speaker, sometimes I'm not explaining myself clearly :p 21:16 gmcharlt @later tell jcamins easy peasy, I'll have a patch for 9820 posted shortly 21:16 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 21:16 tcohen (my intention was to blame my english) 21:16 maximep =) 21:17 maximep let's try again 21:17 maximep be able to have an item type like "eletronics" where you can add a time between checkouts 21:17 maximep so when you the user checks in an ipad, it can't be lent for a period 21:21 tcohen hmm, an embargo period (sort of) 21:21 maximep embargo is a weird word for it lol 21:21 maximep but i guess 21:21 tcohen terminology borrowed from DSpace 21:23 tcohen most of our libraries do that with books, to check them being broken and such 21:24 tcohen didn't thought of it, the idea is making the users aware through koha that the item is not yet available 21:24 tcohen right? 21:24 maximep exact 21:27 * tcohen is thinking what patch can he write before jcamins deadline 21:28 tcohen maybe a Zebra indexer daemon? 21:30 gmcharlt maximep: tcohen: a shelving internval? 21:30 gmcharlt or rather, reshelving internval? 21:31 tcohen yes gmcharlt, the right idiomatic expression didn't come out :-D 21:31 maximep gmcharlt: yes! great term for it 21:33 maximep oh, evergreen seems to have something like that 21:33 maximep "Ability for returned items to take on a current location of 'reshelving' for a library specified period of time before they revert to their destination location/collection" 21:34 maximep I didn't know there was a "Open Source ILS Feature Comparison Tool" comparing koha and evergreen o_O 21:34 gmcharlt yeah, there's a cronjob that handles updating the status from reshelving to available based on the specified interval 21:34 gmcharlt yep, it's something LBA and crew put together 21:41 maximep hmmm http://features.galecia.com/features/checkin/reshelving-status 21:41 maximep it says koha has it 21:43 gmcharlt maximep: use - see http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/processinglocations.html 21:45 maximep hmmm interesting 21:45 wahanui it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 21:46 maximep thanks for the link, will look more at it 21:58 druthb o/ 22:05 * druthb tries again. 22:54 jcamins gmcharlt++ 23:10 jcamins What is the point of having people copy and paste a random "verification" string when registering an account? 23:15 gmcharlt jcamins: a captcha? 23:15 wahanui a captcha is bad. I'm "normal" and I can't get it half the time, must be so frustrating for differently abled people. 23:17 jcamins gmcharlt: Yeah, but... what possible value does it provide? 23:17 jcamins I mean, it's not like librarians are aware that someone tried to create an account. 23:18 jcamins And it's so stupidly easy to break if someone wants to automate account creation that it provides no deterrent. 23:19 gmcharlt well, they might be if the feature got fleshed out a bit -- presumably many would still have to verify identify / residence of the patron for them to actual exercise privileges 23:19 jcamins I think I read an article about how the "difficult" captchas are now more likely to cause problems for people than bots. 23:19 gmcharlt I'm not saying that the captcha itself is a good idea, but I wouldn't ununderetimate the desire of spammers / bored kills to play games 23:20 jcamins Oh, I don't, I just don't see how this captcha helps. 23:20 jcamins Obviously I don't particularly object, or I wouldn't have pushed the code in the first place. 23:23 jcamins You know, I have equivocated on bug 9690 long enough. I am pushing it. 23:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9690 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Replace YUI buttons on the catalog search results page with Bootstrap 23:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9436' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8447aeccdbe10e3586c9707bb6a99a3e47d9908f> / Bug 9436 [Revised] Use DataTables on cities administration page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a2f9346f1d2858bd87d68593b39bd8775b1731b8> / Merge branch 'bug_9466' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff; 23:37 jenkins_koha Starting build #1076 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1073 3 days 23 hr ago)