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| 00:16 |
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wizzyrea |
ok, question - regarding bug 9534, I had thought of two ways to do this |
| 00:16 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen |
| 00:16 |
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wizzyrea |
but I can't decide which is better |
| 00:17 |
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wizzyrea |
a cancel button that takes you back or a link in the breadcrumbs to click bac |
| 00:17 |
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wizzyrea |
because you don't get the menu there. I guess that's another option - put the menu on that page. |
| 00:18 |
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jcamins |
I don't think the menu is a good idea because it takes too much space. |
| 00:18 |
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jcamins |
I would favor breadcrumbs, I think. |
| 00:20 |
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wizzyrea |
I was thinking of putting it in the floating toolbar with save and z39 search |
| 00:21 |
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jcamins |
Oh, that would be okay. I thought you meant adding the default toolbar. |
| 00:21 |
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wizzyrea |
because I think the breadcrumbs are too small, now that I'm looking at it |
| 00:21 |
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wizzyrea |
naw |
| 00:21 |
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wizzyrea |
I meant adding the side menu with the tabs, adding a cancel button to the floating toolbar, or adding a link to the record in the breadcrumbs |
| 00:22 |
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jcamins |
If the breadcrumbs are too small, cancel button would be my preference. |
| 00:22 |
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jcamins |
I had forgotten just how awesome crusty dill bread is. |
| 00:33 |
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jcamins |
I should make more next time I have dill. |
| 00:36 |
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| 00:48 |
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eythian |
http://imgur.com/OhI1Y2V <-- wizzyrea |
| 00:49 |
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jcamins |
Cool! |
| 01:34 |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_513u9w, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 01:50 |
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ndroftheline |
Hello, I am a US Peace Corps Volunteer working in the Philippines. I am trying to help a high school set up a computerized library catalogue. Is there anybody in the Philippines who can help me with this? |
| 01:51 |
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wajasu |
there was a guy on here, mtompset was his handle that was over there last year. don't know about now. |
| 01:51 |
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wajasu |
i think. |
| 01:51 |
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jcamins |
He's in Canada now. |
| 01:52 |
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jcamins |
There are a lot of libraries in the Philippines using Koha. |
| 01:52 |
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jcamins |
And if you have specific questions, you should feel free to ask them on #koha. |
| 01:53 |
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eythian |
The Philippines National Library runs Koha, I think. |
| 01:53 |
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jcamins |
eythian: and an astonishingly large number of other libraries. I think rangi trained them. |
| 01:54 |
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eythian |
http://www.theverge.com/2013/3[…]-maybe-is-perfect <-- unrelated |
| 01:54 |
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jcamins |
ndroftheline: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ers/SoutheastAsia |
| 01:54 |
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jcamins |
Ugh. A lot of Koha 2.2. |
| 01:55 |
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jcamins |
Actually, it looks like at least some of them were upgraded. |
| 02:23 |
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* wajasu |
investigating why some of my cover images arent found in amazon. |
| 02:23 |
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* wajasu |
looking for GetNormalizedISBN |
| 02:47 |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_9m8s5p, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 02:50 |
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mib_9m8s5p |
Hello all! I seem to be having an issue with Avery 5160 and Koha 3.11.00.022 - the labels print fine for the first few rows but get skewed off the label towards the end so I'll end up with some without the header and some with 2x half-headers. Here are my settings for the label: http://i.imgur.com/etzNRID.png |
| 02:51 |
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mib_9m8s5p |
.... and here is the layout view: http://i.imgur.com/T54sphC.png . Ideally I'd like the barcodes and 'header' centred on the label - but just getting the print on the label is step one for me - could someone please lend me some insight? :) |
| 03:01 |
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wajasu |
joltt: looking at your label layout, i am not sure the "list fields" that contains 'ABC Resource Center' is corrent. I think you need something like: itemcallnumber,author,title in that field |
| 03:05 |
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joltt |
wajasu: I'm trying to add that as a header using the single quote method.. although it's the same as the library name - should I try to pull the library name from the database somehow instead? |
| 03:05 |
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| 03:05 |
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dcook |
Afternoon #koha |
| 03:06 |
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wajasu |
joltt: let me try your settings. |
| 03:07 |
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joltt |
thanks :) |
| 03:07 |
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joltt |
it's an odd problem for sure - i'm probably doing something wrong somewhere |
| 03:17 |
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wajasu |
i tried with: 'ABC Hello', author, title and with 3 and 11 point font. i just get the biblio barcode, no fields. let me try som emore things. |
| 03:18 |
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wizzyrea |
i bet you need to fiddle around with offset |
| 03:19 |
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wizzyrea |
is this an upgrade from a previous version? |
| 03:19 |
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wizzyrea |
and also curious why you are running off of master? |
| 03:19 |
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wizzyrea |
joltt^^ |
| 03:19 |
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wizzyrea |
hi dcook |
| 03:20 |
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dcook |
hey wizzyrea :) |
| 03:22 |
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joltt |
wizzyrea: I saw something in the mailing list that the stable version had label scaling problems so i thought i'd try master to see if it fixed it |
| 03:22 |
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joltt |
i've played with offset a bit, it's just odd that it's fine for a few and then gradually gets worse |
| 03:22 |
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joltt |
perhaps i missed the setting i need to fiddle with |
| 03:23 |
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wizzyrea |
which stable version |
| 03:23 |
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joltt |
odd about the missing text - the manual says to enclose static text in single quotes to get them outputted |
| 03:23 |
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wizzyrea |
which stable version did you come from? |
| 03:23 |
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wizzyrea |
3.4? 3.6? 3.8? 3.10? |
| 03:24 |
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joltt |
i think it was 3.10, but i'm trying to see which one was in 'squeeze' in the repo |
| 03:25 |
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wizzyrea |
ah cool |
| 03:25 |
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* joltt |
tries to look that up |
| 03:26 |
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joltt |
yes, 3.10 |
| 03:27 |
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wajasu |
i'm playing with master at the moment. tried to change the template i createdto use a profile that already existed, but no go. |
| 03:28 |
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joltt |
Here's how mine outputs (I've just recently turned on the grid for testing): http://i.imgur.com/KQcqgGW.png |
| 03:30 |
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wizzyrea |
and it wasn't working in 3.10 either? |
| 03:31 |
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joltt |
the static text worked - i was just hoping to fix the drift/overrun issue |
| 03:31 |
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wizzyrea |
the last time I recall seeing this sort of problem |
| 03:31 |
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wajasu |
i tried your quoted heading with the default profile/templates . I can export a PDF with that. your template has No profile. |
| 03:31 |
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wizzyrea |
it had to do with label templates that were created prior to a particular version |
| 03:32 |
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wizzyrea |
like, when moving from a 3.2 created template to the labels creator in 3.4 |
| 03:32 |
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joltt |
hmm, should I delete and try to recreate the entry after updating? |
| 03:32 |
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joltt |
although I was using 3.10.. not 3.2 |
| 03:32 |
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wizzyrea |
the problem i saw, and this was ages ago |
| 03:32 |
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wizzyrea |
was that the offset was incorrect |
| 03:32 |
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wizzyrea |
have you tried removing the offset altogether? I'm trying to remember how we fixed it |
| 03:33 |
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joltt |
sorry - where is the offset located? |
| 03:33 |
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wajasu |
offset is in the profile. but in master i can't select a profile when creating a template. |
| 03:34 |
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wajasu |
maybe in 3.2 you can |
| 03:34 |
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joltt |
ah; i haven't made any profiles |
| 03:34 |
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wizzyrea |
right - that's where you set the offset and creep |
| 03:34 |
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wizzyrea |
creep I think is what you are seeing |
| 03:34 |
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wizzyrea |
you might poke about in there |
| 03:34 |
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wizzyrea |
try some things |
| 03:35 |
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wizzyrea |
actually I may be thinking of "creep" |
| 03:35 |
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joltt |
ah okay |
| 03:35 |
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joltt |
what values should I try for creep? |
| 03:35 |
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wizzyrea |
sorry for the confusion ^.^ |
| 03:35 |
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wizzyrea |
dunno, how much is it off by at the end of the page? |
| 03:36 |
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wizzyrea |
start with 1 point, and see what your results are - it's probably going to require a lot of experimentation |
| 03:36 |
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* joltt |
nods |
| 03:37 |
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wizzyrea |
but those settings are likely what's tripping you up. |
| 03:37 |
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| 03:37 |
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druthb |
o/ |
| 03:39 |
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joltt |
hmm, now it's lining up on the bottom but not the top |
| 03:39 |
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joltt |
thanks for the direction, i'll play with it some more |
| 03:44 |
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wizzyrea |
sure :) |
| 03:44 |
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wizzyrea |
recipe aside, does the basckground on this page make your eyes go funny? http://www.food.com/recipe/lan[…]wow-wow-wow-47850 |
| 03:45 |
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* druthb |
squints |
| 03:45 |
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joltt |
the odd thing is it prints fine in word with their 5160 template |
| 03:46 |
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druthb |
...but the recipe looks delish, wizzyrea |
| 03:47 |
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wizzyrea |
that's not odd at all. Word has 30 years of people complaining about offset behind it. |
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| 03:47 |
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joltt |
oops |
| 03:47 |
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joltt |
true (re: word) |
| 03:48 |
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joltt |
hm, so i've set creep to 1pt (and numerous values around 1pt) and that seems to fix the bottom portion but break the top |
| 03:49 |
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wizzyrea |
and what about a printer profile set with 0's as the creep and offset? |
| 03:49 |
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* wizzyrea |
can't remember if no profile = a profile with 0 set in the offset |
| 03:49 |
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wizzyrea |
but it's possible it doesn't |
| 03:49 |
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* joltt |
tries |
| 03:50 |
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joltt |
hmm, perhaps closer |
| 03:51 |
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joltt |
i need to increase the top margin though |
| 03:51 |
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wizzyrea |
that is in the template :) |
| 03:52 |
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joltt |
the odd thing is when printing using 'actual size' (adobe printing options) the 'guide' is cut off the left a bit |
| 03:52 |
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joltt |
(in the print preview that is) |
| 03:56 |
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joltt |
it works! |
| 03:56 |
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joltt |
all text is on the labels now |
| 03:56 |
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joltt |
the only issue is the barcode isn't centered properly |
| 03:56 |
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joltt |
but other than that it looks fantastic |
| 03:58 |
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joltt |
here's a picture of what i'm seeing now: http://i.imgur.com/eFtY5eq.jpg |
| 03:59 |
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joltt |
perhaps i'm missing a setting or a number for the barcode bit? |
| 03:59 |
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wizzyrea |
\o/ |
| 04:00 |
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wizzyrea |
hm not sure |
| 04:00 |
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joltt |
thanks though - this a huge leap forward |
| 04:00 |
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joltt |
:) |
| 04:00 |
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wizzyrea |
you're welcome :) |
| 04:01 |
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wizzyrea |
was it creating a printer profile with 0's in the offset and creep? |
| 04:01 |
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druthb |
wizzyrea++ |
| 04:01 |
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wizzyrea |
that ultimately solved your creep issue? |
| 04:01 |
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joltt |
seems so! |
| 04:01 |
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wizzyrea |
it occurs to me that we should make sure a default one is installed. |
| 04:02 |
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wizzyrea |
with 0's instead of null. |
| 04:02 |
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wizzyrea |
or make the code treat null as 0, I suppose is another solution. |
| 04:02 |
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wizzyrea |
anyway, if someone cares to make a bug for that |
| 04:02 |
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wizzyrea |
feel free to :) |
| 04:02 |
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wizzyrea |
I have to jet :) |
| 04:03 |
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joltt |
see you and thanks again! |
| 04:03 |
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joltt |
wizzyrea++ |
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wizzyrea |
@later tell oleonard I was going to work on bug 9534 but it probably makes little sense to do that before those buttons are converted to bootstrap - if you have a patch for that I'll use it to add the cancel button - or if you're not working on it I will go ahead and do the conversion of that page myself (or save it for corey) |
| 04:04 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
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Oak |
kia ora #koha |
| 05:51 |
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cait |
hi Oak |
| 05:51 |
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Oak |
hello cait :) |
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Oak |
magnuse |
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druthb |
Salaam alyakum, Oak! :) |
| 05:52 |
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Oak |
Walaikum Asalam druthb :) |
| 05:52 |
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druthb |
:) |
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druthb |
G'day, BobB! |
| 06:06 |
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* BobB |
waves at druthb |
| 06:06 |
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druthb |
:) |
| 06:11 |
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dcook |
adios #koha |
| 06:13 |
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wajasu |
me wonders if there should be something like "biblioauthorites" in the marc framework. or else expose the $9 RLIN authids in the opac-detail.pl |
| 06:15 |
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* druthb |
shudders. |
| 06:16 |
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* druthb |
has enough trouble explaining authorities to library staff; she wouldn't *dream* of foisting it on patrons. |
| 06:17 |
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cait |
wajasu: what for? |
| 06:18 |
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wajasu |
i need to get the authors links to search with the an=10 instead of au=Joe style since i use UseTracings forAuthorities |
| 06:19 |
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druthb |
Does UseAuthoritiesForTracings syspref not do that for authors in the OPAC? |
| 06:20 |
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cait |
wajasu: it already works like this |
| 06:20 |
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cait |
apart from facets |
| 06:20 |
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wajasu |
i guess i need to iterate the $9 in the biblio and expose it tinthe template |
| 06:20 |
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wajasu |
i see .../cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=au:Calvin,%20Jean, |
| 06:20 |
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cait |
I think you are thinking too complicated |
| 06:20 |
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cait |
are you uing xslt view? |
| 06:21 |
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wajasu |
but the XSLT uses an=number |
| 06:21 |
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cait |
but wasn't that what you said? |
| 06:23 |
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wajasu |
without XSLT, it searches without the RLINm which i would expect it to do. |
| 06:23 |
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wajasu |
bug 9563 |
| 06:23 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9563 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Author links don't generate correct search query url for UseAuthoritesForTracings |
| 06:23 |
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wajasu |
using RLIN seems to return more results |
| 06:24 |
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cait |
so why are you not using the xslt views? |
| 06:24 |
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wajasu |
i shall now. |
| 06:25 |
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wajasu |
i just migrated from 3.0 and only got my auths all correct. |
| 06:29 |
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wajasu |
yes. XSLT is better. |
| 06:30 |
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wajasu |
more authors shown. |
| 06:31 |
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wajasu |
maybe i can get 245c shown. statement of responsibility |
| 06:32 |
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cait |
you will have to make your own xslt templates for that |
| 06:32 |
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cait |
there are prefs you can link your own stylesheets in |
| 06:35 |
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wajasu |
thx |
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* wajasu |
gnight folks |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 06:57 |
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magnuse |
reserve.reserve_id is not available to be put in the HOLD_PRINT message? i have a library asking after that. shouldn't be too hard, i guess |
| 07:05 |
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cait |
magnuse: maybe make the whole reserve table available if it's not? some of the dates might be interesting |
| 07:07 |
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magnuse |
a lot of the fields seem to be available |
| 07:08 |
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magnuse |
but so far it was just a question if it was possible to replace the name of the borrower with a reserve id, to make pickups more anonymous |
| 07:11 |
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magnuse |
gah, DUE messages without bibliographic info is still being sent from one of my instances... |
| 07:17 |
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cait |
magnuse: :( |
| 07:17 |
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cait |
and it's not because it was used in overdue triggers? |
| 07:17 |
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cait |
magnuse: we have libraries here doing that |
| 07:17 |
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cait |
generating an id for pickup location |
| 07:17 |
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magnuse |
no, i fixed that |
| 07:18 |
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cait |
not sure how they do it, I think some have a quite complicated algorithm, ohters use the cardnumber |
| 07:18 |
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magnuse |
yeah, you'd think cardnumber should be ok |
| 07:18 |
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cait |
that way all the books are in one place to be picked up - but people see them all together, so might be less anonymous |
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Viktor |
Hi! |
| 07:34 |
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Viktor |
I'm a bit stuck on something that is probably easy. Can I force a new page in the HOLD_PRINT notice? |
| 07:36 |
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Viktor |
I would like to keep the regular notice (that is sent to the patron), but also print a custom page that is inserted into the book with just branchcode, initials and borrowernumber so that books on hold can be placed in the library for patrons to pick up by themselves. |
| 07:37 |
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Viktor |
This would of course require that the slip in the book is somewhat anonymized and I think initials + borrower number might do the trick. |
| 07:43 |
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Viktor |
Might be to early for my timezone and to late for others though :) |
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reiveune |
hello |
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magnuse |
bonjour reiveune and Viktor |
| 07:46 |
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Viktor |
Hi magnuse! |
| 07:47 |
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reiveune |
hi magnuse , cait :) |
| 07:47 |
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Viktor |
Hi reiveune |
| 07:47 |
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cait |
hi Viktor :) |
| 07:47 |
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Viktor |
Hi cait! |
| 07:47 |
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magnuse |
Viktor: i guess you could make the message so long that it "spills" over onto a second page |
| 07:47 |
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reiveune |
Bonjour Viktor |
| 07:48 |
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magnuse |
not sure if there are any clever characters you can insert to force a page break |
| 07:49 |
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Viktor |
Yes that would be quite possible. But it would feel better to do it "right" |
| 07:49 |
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Viktor |
:) |
| 07:49 |
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Viktor |
Question is then how the text is sent to the printer. |
| 07:49 |
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magnuse |
but would not most "come and pick up your hold" messages be sent by email anyway? |
| 07:50 |
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Viktor |
Right you are magnuse |
| 07:51 |
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Viktor |
Am I forgetting something obvious? How do people handle books on hold? All places I have worked put a slip with borrorwer, title and date into the book when it goes into the shelf. |
| 07:51 |
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magnuse |
that has been my experience too |
| 07:52 |
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Viktor |
That is a note you need even if you e-mail the patron that the book is available. And this is the note I want to customize :) |
| 07:52 |
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cait |
magnuse: for pagebreaks - check out bywaters blog |
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cait |
there was something there |
| 07:53 |
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Viktor |
(gah - my mouse just issued a "back" command. Had to reconnect) |
| 07:53 |
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cait |
Viktor: Ithink you don't want Holds_print for this - because that's only for patrons that don't have emails - but reserve slip |
| 07:53 |
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Viktor |
So: bywaters blog is the best bet? |
| 07:53 |
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Viktor |
Looking for it! |
| 07:53 |
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cait |
and for pagebreaks I think there was something ther, but haven't read it, onyl rmember the headline |
| 07:53 |
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magnuse |
http://blip.tv/bywater-solutio[…]s-in-koha-6513217 |
| 07:53 |
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cait |
and now I have to run out :) |
| 07:53 |
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cait |
bbl :) |
| 07:54 |
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magnuse |
i think that is just relevant for printable overdues, that are put in a file you can edit |
| 07:54 |
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Viktor |
You are all wonderful people! :D |
| 07:55 |
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Viktor |
Thanks! |
| 07:55 |
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Viktor |
It's even worth installing Flash on the new computer to watch that :) |
| 07:56 |
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Viktor |
Oh - have to close Safari to install Flash. Will have to watch it after done chatting. |
| 07:57 |
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* magnuse |
will have to run off for a while |
| 07:57 |
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Viktor |
On another note: I try to blog as much as I can during the current migration (with some development) here in Sweden as Hylte is the first public library to migrate to Koha in sweden. |
| 07:58 |
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magnuse |
Viktor++ |
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Viktor |
It's in Swedish though - would it be relevant to translate a post with our "wishlist" with stuff that we will add, modify or look for in Koha? |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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Viktor |
bonjour alex_a |
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alex_a |
bonjour Viktor |
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Viktor |
Just as a service to the community - give some feedback on what libraries here think is missing. (We do have funds to fix some of the stuff ourselves) |
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hello #koha |
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Viktor |
Hi joubu! |
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magnuse |
Viktor: yeah, that sounds like a good idea! |
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Viktor |
Will try to do that then! Might try to do a few follow up posts too for the community. |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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wahanui |
salut, gaetan_B |
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kf |
hi gaetan_B |
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gaetan_B |
hallo kf, ich habe mich mit herrn Neubauer unterhaltet. Alles klar ! |
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kf |
schön :) |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
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magnuse |
bonjour christophe_c Oak Viktor |
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christophe_c |
bonjour magnuse |
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Oak |
Bonjour magnuse |
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magnuse |
Oak |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (9:30 AM CET on March 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (9:50 AM CET on March 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). |
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Viktor |
A sort of general question - how do you solve booking of rooms, computers etcetra? |
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Viktor |
I don't know of any such functions in Koha and I'm trying to figure out what could be done. Is there for instance any API to call the system and ask if a certain cardnumber + pincode is correct? |
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Viktor |
(I don't think so, but I need the collective wisdom here) |
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kf |
Viktor: you mean a way to authenticate? |
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kf |
I think ils-di might be able to do it, or the new thing rangi wrote for persona or sip2 |
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Viktor |
indeed so kf - that would be a good start. |
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kf |
I think authentication should not be so problematic - some services already do that afaik |
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kf |
like overdrive |
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kf |
Viktor: you shoudl really get a real irc client... you know ;) |
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Viktor |
Yes I do know :( I just lost that line you sent me with all the info. |
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kf |
(10:58:09) kf: I think ils-di might be able to do it, or the new thing rangi wrote for persona or sip2 |
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Viktor |
Thanks! |
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Viktor |
Now copying - carfully :) |
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kf |
there shoudl be some options |
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kf |
but reserving itself can not be done in koha now - not for an exact time and like 2 hours |
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magnuse |
i think ils-di would be good for that |
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kf |
like you would want for rooms |
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kf |
magnuse: I think it requires clear text or something, must be checked if it's safe |
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Viktor |
Great to hear kf magnuse |
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Viktor |
Then you might be able to hook up a third party system to Koha. That seems like a far cheaper option than trying to build booking of computers as a part of Koha |
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magnuse |
yeah |
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kf |
Viktor: maybe take a look at libki or similar |
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magnuse |
sounds like something you would want to do outside koha |
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Viktor |
Thanks! That looks like what I need! |
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Viktor |
I've been using a regular XP-machine with R-kiosk add on to autostarting Firefox for self-service. But public Internet machines require a bit more :) |
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Viktor |
Get-availability is useful too! I need that to hook up availability to the national catalogue. Great to find out it's already implemented. |
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magnuse |
for administering access to public computers, also checkout https://github.com/digibib/mycel from Oslo Public Library |
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Viktor |
Wonderful! magnuse They are using a paid software in Hylte today that is still causing trouble after a few years. Might be time to make a switch. |
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magnuse |
sounds like it! :-) |
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Ok - so trying out XChat on OS X. Have I overlooked something that makes me look stupid? :) |
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(Apart from being logged in with two nicks) |
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magnuse |
Viktor: looks good :-) |
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:) |
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kf |
yep |
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kf |
looks good :) |
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ambz |
Hi all. |
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allora |
hi all |
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ambz |
Need some help. I'm trying to run the commands here: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]n/resetzebra.html |
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ambz |
I get "[fatal] Cannot read config /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-authorities-dom.cfg" |
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ambz |
and similar error for /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg |
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allora |
is it possible upload pdf file related to marc record when cataloging an item or upload cover photo? |
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ambz |
I've already truncated the tables mentioned at: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]/resetkohadb.html |
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magnuse |
allora: you can upload covers, but not attach pdf |
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ambz |
Any idea why the zebra cfg files are missing? |
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magnuse |
allora: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]uploadlocalimages |
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allora |
thanks alot |
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kf |
ambz: they are probably not missing but have wrong permissions |
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kf |
ambz: never run those commands with sudo |
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kf |
what's the reason you look at documentation for an old version of Koha? |
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ambz |
they're missing... i checked |
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ambz |
oh ok... i ran them as root |
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ambz |
i'll try again as a normal user |
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kf |
3.8 is also old |
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wahanui |
okay, kf. |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
well not really old :) |
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kf |
forget 3.8 |
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wahanui |
kf: I forgot 3.8 |
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ambz |
kf, when i go to "about koha" in the staff client, it shows this as the version: |
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ambz |
3.08.09.000 |
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kf |
ah ok |
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kf |
is this a new installation you did? |
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kf |
did it work before? |
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ambz |
yes, it's working fine |
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ambz |
question: what version is 3.08.09.000... is it koha 3.8? |
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kf |
yes |
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kf |
that's right |
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wahanui |
I know. |
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kf |
sorry, it's not really old, just not the newest version |
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ambz |
ok... it's a bit misleading, why not just have the version as "3.8" in "about koha" ? |
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ambz |
kf, ah ok |
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ambz |
i chose 3.8 because i read somewhere that it's a more stable and reliabel version than the newer versions |
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* ambz |
runs those commands without sudo |
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allora |
I strongly need pdf attachment for e-books for my institution's publications :( |
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kf |
allora: I think there has been something int he works |
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kf |
but it didn't amke it in yet |
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drojf |
good day #koha |
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kf |
hi drojf |
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drojf |
hi kf |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 9.7°C (12:43 PM CET on March 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
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kf |
allora: there is a but somewhere in bugzilla, you can also always use links to your documents |
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kf |
allora: a digital repository software might be a better place to store the data even, then link to that from your records in Koha |
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kf |
bug 6874 |
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ambz |
kf, those files really are missing :( |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , File upload in MARC |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
ambz: which files exactly? |
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kf |
do you know how the installation was done? using packages? tarball? standard or dev installations? the file paths and how search is configured vary a bit |
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ambz |
i used ubuntu packages |
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allora |
yeah i know, but we have around 300 e-books and we don't want to use repository |
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kf |
ambz: ok, then don't work from the manual |
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kf |
ambz: what was your initial problem? |
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kf |
and this http://manual.koha-community.o[…]/resetkohadb.html is for resetting the database - it will have deleted all the records and items if you did - so there might be nothing to search for right now |
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ambz |
kf, yes, i want to start afresh, with truncated tables |
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kf |
ok, there are a lot more table |
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ambz |
but my zebra index is still populated... i can still search for books etc which have been deleted from the db |
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kf |
this instruction will only reset koha if you have used sample data and want to undo that - it'squite specific |
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kf |
if you really want a fresh start |
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kf |
creating a new instance or dropping the database might be better |
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Oak |
kf++ |
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ambz |
kf, cool i'll do that... after i drop the db, is there a way to recreate the entire schema? |
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kf |
ambz: you need to resetthe index - you truncated the data - the search does not know about that |
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kf |
yes, the web installer will come p again |
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ambz |
kf, right... how do i reset the zebra index? |
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kf |
-r I think |
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kf |
not sure about the packages - hmm. |
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ambz |
hmm ok... lemme try resetting the zebra index |
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kf |
maybe this is helpful: |
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kf |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]e_Debian_packages |
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ambz |
kf, so i shouldn't run the zebra commands as root, correct? |
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kf |
not sure with packages - there is w hole set of build in commands |
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kf |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]oha-rebuild-zebra < this might be what you want |
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kf |
with -f |
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ambz |
great! let me try koha-rebuild-zebra |
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ambz |
ok, that didn't work |
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kf |
did you get an error? |
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ambz |
i ran " koha-rebuild-zebra -f library" where 'library' is the name of my koha instance |
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kf |
I think with packages better stick to the package related commands |
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ambz |
no error, no troubleshooting messages, nothing |
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kf |
hm -v? |
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ambz |
ok that helped |
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ambz |
i see a lot of |
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ambz |
==================== REINDEXING zebra ==================== ==================== CLEANING |
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kf |
ah that's not bad I think |
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kf |
should be good actually |
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ambz |
yes, but i can still search for books in the UI |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
maybe try running with -r - not sure it works, but maybe worth a try |
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ambz |
cool, i'll also try restarting zebra |
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kf |
you can't open the detail pages, right? |
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ambz |
kf, correct, "The record you requested does not exist (3)." |
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ambz |
i can't open them |
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kf |
yep |
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kf |
that's always a sign that the record has been deleted and that the index is not current |
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ambz |
ok |
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ambz |
I also tried, " sudo koha-restart-zebra library"... didn't help |
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kf |
you did the -r? |
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kf |
try -v -v next to get more verbose output |
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ambz |
yes, here's the output: http://mibpaste.com/703vOy |
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ambz |
Any idea why this could happen? http://mibpaste.com/tzOzKk |
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ambz |
Anyways, thanks a lot for your help, kf... |
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ambz |
Really appreciate it :) |
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ambz |
I tried rebooting the machine (lol) and it didn't help one bit :) |
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ndroftheline |
hey all, do you think koha is overkill for a rural high school in a developing country without a trained librarian? |
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drojf |
ndroftheline: are you willing to learn? :) |
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ambz |
ndroftheline: i had the same question a month ago when i was evaluating koha for a small library for a non-profit organization, which also lacks a trained librarian... and i am really happy that we chose to use koha :) |
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ambz |
and we're also in a "developing country" |
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ambz |
but yes, there's a learning curve as drojf indicated... you have to be willing to learn a lot of new stuff |
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ambz |
it helps that the community here is really helpful :) |
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magnuse |
but once you learn that stuff, you have an "industrial strength" ils with a lot of bells and whistles ;-) |
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ambz |
magnuse: yeah :D |
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kf |
sorry, quite busy ambz - hope you can solve it |
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ndroftheline |
can anyone compare to a simpler system like openbiblio? |
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ambz |
kf, no problem, buddy... thanks for your help... i'm creating a new instance as you suggested (much easier and gets the job done) :) |
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* ambz |
is loving mibbit |
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* ambz |
is also loving koha |
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kf |
:) |
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tcohen_ |
so, kf's birthday is gone today |
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ambz |
has anyone used oclc/worldcat z39.50 servers for cataloging? (http://www.oclc.org/en-europe/z3950.html) |
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ambz |
it looks very enticing, but i don't think it's a free service, right? |
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jcamins |
ambz: it is an incredibly expensive service. |
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jcamins |
A few libraries use the OCLC Z39.50 servers, but most use Connexion and upload the records to Koha, I think. |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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tcohen |
hi oleonard |
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magnuse |
jcamins: Bug 9250 is signed off and i did a followup for koha-common.xml. should it be "signed off" or "needs signoff", because of the followup? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages |
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jcamins |
Signed off is fine. |
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magnuse |
cool, thanks |
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wajasu |
for coding standards. can i return? @lines or must it be \@lines |
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tcohen |
the semantics is quite different, isnt' |
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jcamins |
It is very different. |
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jcamins |
If you have a choice of using either, use \@lines. |
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tcohen |
i'd use \@lines to avoid copy operations |
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jcamins |
Exactly. |
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wajasu |
i replaced text::wrap with a subroutine that wraps proportionally for barcode labels to get more words per line, as it was using a fixed char width. |
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ambz |
jcamins, thanks for the info |
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tcohen |
wajasu: if you r about to pass references to memory structures, be carefull to avoid aliasing |
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drojf |
hej Viktor you got a real irc client now? :) |
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chris_n |
wajasu++ |
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chris_n |
for ripping out text::wrap |
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fabio_t |
Hello #koha! |
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chris_n |
does anyone have any ntyprof times handy for calls to XML::LibXML::findvalue on marcxml data in koha? |
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chris_n |
XML::LibXML::Node::findvalue rather |
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kf |
oi awake early |
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senator |
@wunder ypph |
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huginn |
senator: The current temperature in Gooseberry Hill, Gooseberry Hill, Western Australia is 19.0°C (9:35 PM WST on March 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
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fabio_t |
I have a problem with retrieving item information via Koha OAI-PMH server |
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kf |
fabio_t: it does not work with itmes currently I think |
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fabio_t |
I successfully made a mapping with 995 (mine is an UNIMARC installation) to define an OAI set |
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kf |
fabio_t: I think the mappings are different from the output |
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kf |
the mappings define the records in the set - iirc |
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fabio_t |
and I ran into this: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6440 |
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huginn |
Bug 6440: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, CLOSED FIXED, Koha's OAI-PMH does not support sets |
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fabio_t |
oh |
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kf |
we also noticed that no item information is output currently, I think it woudl not be hard to do |
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kf |
but it might not be a bug but an enhancement |
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fabio_t |
ok |
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kf |
youc oudl file a bug |
| 14:34 |
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fabio_t |
I was wondering if it was a matter of XSLT |
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fabio_t |
maybe something wrong in UNIMARCslim2OAIDC.xsl |
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kf |
I think it might have to do with the changes made on storing items |
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kf |
but I have not investigated yet |
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fabio_t |
ok so the problem could be on the database level |
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kf |
it's a bit complicated, not really the database |
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kf |
if waht I think is right |
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kf |
*shrug* |
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kf |
Ithink the best starting point would be a bug |
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fabio_t |
I figured out since the mapping on item worked, there could be just a problem in on the fly conversion from UNIMARC to Dublin Core - I was wrong |
| 14:39 |
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fabio_t |
thanks anyway for helping |
| 14:39 |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
not sure, but I guess the info is missing too if you look at the xml format? |
| 14:39 |
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fabio_t |
nice point |
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kf |
it could have different reasons - I didn't wnt to be confusing... just confirming that we have noticed it too |
| 14:40 |
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fabio_t |
I'm going to retrieve data with marcxml instead of oai_dc and I'll know you |
| 14:40 |
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fabio_t |
* I let you know |
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fabio_t |
yes, you're right |
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fabio_t |
no 995 in marcxml aswell |
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fabio_t |
I will file a bug |
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fabio_t |
thanks again kf |
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fabio_t |
kf++ |
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kf |
hm didn't do much :) |
| 14:48 |
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fabio_t |
I googled and I didn't find these "insider" informations |
| 14:48 |
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fabio_t |
so you definitely helped me |
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fabio_t |
:) |
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kf |
:) |
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fabio_t |
have a nice day |
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fabio_t |
see you #koha |
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kf |
wb drojf |
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drojf |
back |
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kf |
bye fabio_t |
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drojf |
thanks kf :) |
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drojf |
can#t believe i had lunch outside in the sun |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
sun? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that sun is shining again - life is good! |
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magnuse |
sun? |
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wahanui |
sun is shining again - life is good! |
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* magnuse |
has a funny looking snow drift outside his window that is fast approaching 1m in height... |
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kf |
um |
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magnuse |
it is extremely narrow, though |
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magnuse |
in http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7223475f8;hb=HEAD - does <retrieval syntax="xml" name="utils"> and <xslt stylesheet="__INTRANET_TMPL_DIR__/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slimUtils.xsl"/> make any kind of sense? |
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magnuse |
isn't MARC21slimUtils.xsl just "functions" that are used by other stylesheets? |
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kf |
hm yes you have to refer it I think? |
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kf |
not sure how the conf file works really |
| 15:10 |
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magnuse |
looks like gmcharlt put those lines in there... |
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* oleonard |
prepares his blaming finger |
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drojf |
using a ! in search not working is not my fault, right? i suppose it's like the () problem? |
| 15:16 |
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kf |
I'd guess so |
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* kf |
is optimistic to pass qa on the query parser sometime this week |
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drojf |
"plaît!" works, plaît! does not |
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drojf |
yay query parser |
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nengard |
hi #koha say hi to FL librarians learning Koha :) |
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drojf |
hi FL librarians learning koha :) |
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magnuse |
hi FL librarians learning koha |
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oleonard |
Hi from Ohio, FL librarians |
| 15:21 |
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magnuse |
mine was a "hi" from norway, btw :-) |
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nengard |
I tell them where you're all from as you say hi |
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drojf |
nengard has mickey mouse ears |
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nengard |
YEP |
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libsysguy |
http://www.modernperlbooks.com[…]an-your-room.html |
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oleonard |
FL librarians: If you ever come here and all we're talking about is food, don't hesitate to break in with a Koha-related question |
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nengard |
these librarians will fit right in |
| 15:23 |
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nengard |
Kelly tried to fatten me up yesterday :) |
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kf |
hi FL librarians |
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drojf |
bring recipes! |
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libsysguy |
oleonard is right, we have an unnatural obsession with cookies |
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drojf |
there is a bug for that too ;) |
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kf |
and that was from Germany (reading slow today) |
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oleonard |
It's a perfectly natural obsession libsysguy |
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nengard |
kelly logging in ? she'll be here in a sec |
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libsysguy |
denial oleonard |
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libsysguy |
:p |
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kmccallister |
Hi! FL librarian here..send the cookie recipes my way :) |
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jcamins |
curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies? |
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wahanui |
curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are at http://www.cookiemadness.net/2[…]ate-chip-cookies/ |
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jcamins |
kmccallister: ^^ |
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kf |
hm interesting. we don't show 520 in xslt? |
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kf |
oh sorry - cookies! |
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nengard |
kf yes we do |
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kf |
i thought we did :) |
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jcamins |
kf: yes we do. |
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slef |
co-operatives were created to supply cookie ingredients |
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kmccallister |
Nutella Brownie recipe: http://www.thatssoyummy.com/re[…]-brownies-recipe/ |
| 15:26 |
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kf |
ok... typoed - I found it :) |
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nengard |
this is so much fun |
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nengard |
much more fun that learning cataloging :) |
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* kf |
didn't accidentally search for 530... |
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Mpeul |
Hello <-- FL librarian :) |
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magnuse |
hiya Mpeul |
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magnuse |
...and kmccallister |
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kmccallister |
Hi magnuse! |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_ssj4bc, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
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* oleonard |
crosses his fingers |
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kmccallister |
thanks! we are so excited about Koha and love nicole!! |
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nengard |
awwww |
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magnuse |
hooray for nengard! |
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nengard |
:) |
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nengard |
okay we should get back to work |
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magnuse |
nah, more cookies! |
| 15:31 |
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nengard |
when do they arrive? |
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Mpeul |
agreed! |
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magnuse |
bug 5158 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, camins, ASSIGNED , Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors |
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nengard |
ha |
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magnuse |
there's a bug for that... |
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* oleonard |
comforts alohabot |
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oleonard |
It's okay buddy, one of these days... |
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drojf |
lol |
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nengard |
quote: "the cataloging system seems super easy and a lot more self explanatory than the system we have been using" |
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nengard |
WOW ^^ |
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magnuse |
yay! |
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nengard |
hey did anyone notice that IRSpy seems to say 'untested' for a ton of targets? |
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nengard |
sites that I used in the past cause they said 100% now say 'untested' |
| 15:52 |
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nengard |
anyone know what's up with that? |
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jcamins |
nengard: I'd guess they refreshed their database. |
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oleonard |
Maybe they do periodic re-testing and ratings get re-set? |
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jcamins |
The tests are done one at a time, I think, so if they are retesting everything, it could be months before they catch up. |
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reiveune |
bye |
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rambutan |
@seen chrisn |
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huginn |
rambutan: I have not seen chrisn. |
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rambutan |
@seen cnighswonger |
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huginn |
rambutan: I have not seen cnighswonger. |
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jcamins |
@seen chris_n |
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huginn |
jcamins: chris_n was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <chris_n> XML::LibXML::Node::findvalue rather |
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rambutan |
tnx, gonna try to catch him on freenode |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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tcohen |
XML::Twig |
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jlozano |
hello, everyone! |
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oleonard |
Hi jlozano |
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jlozano |
anybody know a free dewey number generator? |
| 17:54 |
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oleonard |
What is a dewey number generator? |
| 17:54 |
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jlozano |
sorry, not really a Koha question I guess. |
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jlozano |
yeah, so if you are using the Dewey Decimal System, when you get a book it gives you the number you should give it. |
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jlozano |
like ...000 re general knowledge. |
| 17:55 |
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jlozano |
100 are psychology and Philosphy. |
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rambutan |
so how does that work? You feed it the title of a book or the ISBN and it returns the correct Dewey number? So it would be more like a lookup table? |
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jlozano |
umm. kind of.. so for example. |
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jlozano |
The writings of Mark Twain |
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jlozano |
gets: 818.4 T911W |
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oleonard |
jlozano: How would that work without a complete catalog of all titles in existence? |
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jlozano |
8 because its Literature. |
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jlozano |
and the rest is based on author |
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jlozano |
and the last number is based on the title. |
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jlozano |
so it's kind of a formula to get the number. |
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jlozano |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D[…]al_Classification |
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jlozano |
so you get software to do it for you. |
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oleonard |
jlozano: Do you have an example of non-free software which does this? |
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oleonard |
jlozano: What you describe sounds like cataloging. |
| 18:02 |
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jlozano |
yeah, Sirsi Dynex has it. |
| 18:02 |
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jlozano |
It's most definitely cataloging. |
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jlozano |
it tells you where to put the book in the shelves. |
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jlozano |
(if you are using Dewey) |
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oleonard |
jlozano: Yes, I know what the Dewey Decimal System is. |
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jlozano |
I didn't mean to elude you didn't, I'm sorry. |
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jlozano |
I guess the question that originally brought that up because we want to switch to koha but can't really get the dewey numbers |
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rambutan |
jlozano: so you clearly want something less than the marc record, which can be downloaded from various places, right? |
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oleonard |
I'm I crazy to think that a computer cannot automatically generate a Dewey number out of thin air? |
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rambutan |
donno, there are some good programmers out there |
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rambutan |
http://answers.yahoo.com/quest[…]1118230659AAVgJeb |
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rambutan |
@later tell jlozano http://answers.yahoo.com/quest[…]1118230659AAVgJeb |
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huginn |
rambutan: The operation succeeded. |
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rambutan |
looks to me like the link to the LoC provides what he wants, but I'm not a cataloger, nor even a librarian |
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tcohen |
i found several papers on dewey algorithms optimization |
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rambutan |
http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin[…]Obj1Y5ayFWLZpvkFe |
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oleonard |
rambutan: Did you expect that to return search results? |
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magnuse |
yay for the shiny new buttons in 3.11 |
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drojf |
Unable to look up git.koha-community.org (port 9418) (Name or service not known |
| 18:32 |
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drojf |
is that just me? |
| 18:32 |
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magnuse |
works for me |
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magnuse |
(in a web browser) |
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tcohen |
no problem from command-line here |
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drojf |
hm no it must be something with the vm |
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drojf |
thanks for trying |
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drojf |
i cannot even ping anything |
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* magnuse |
waves to cait |
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tcohen |
is david cook around? |
| 18:34 |
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magnuse |
@seen dcook |
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huginn |
magnuse: dcook was last seen in #koha 12 hours, 23 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <dcook> adios #koha |
| 18:34 |
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tcohen |
he showed some interest in testing bug 9659 |
| 18:34 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9659 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports |
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* cait |
waves back |
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tcohen |
hi cait |
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drojf |
n'abend cait |
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cait |
:) |
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rambutan |
oleonard: link above had some auto generated session info, I can't find the base page or reconstruct how I got there, sorry. But on that page, if I plug in "Gone With the Wind" |
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rambutan |
I get info including the call number. |
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rambutan |
ah: http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin[…]=local&PAGE=First |
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bgkriegel |
hello |
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oleonard |
Hi bgkriegel |
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jcamins |
oleonard: computers cannot assign DDC numbers when given the name of the book, but they can look up the number mapped to a particular subject. |
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oleonard |
I wonder if that's what jlozano was talking about... |
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jcamins |
I think it was. |
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oleonard |
Wouldn't such software have to be licensed by OCLC? |
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jcamins |
It would, yes. |
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jcamins |
The answer is "no, there is no free software, and never will be." |
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* jcamins |
would sugggest that perhaps some of the money being saved on the ILS should go toward Cataloger's Desktop. |
| 19:38 |
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jcamins |
Except he's gone. |
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* jcamins |
has a feeling of deja vu. |
| 19:39 |
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jcamins |
Didn't I already say that? |
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ibeardslee |
a glitch in the matrix? |
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nengard |
hi all, is there a way to find out what type of koha install a system is on? |
| 19:42 |
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magnuse |
nengard: you mean packages, tarball etc? |
| 19:43 |
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nengard |
or dev/git - yes |
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nengard |
so i'm on the server and was going to do a git pull |
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jcamins |
Only if you have access to the server. |
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nengard |
but don't want to break anything if it was not a git install |
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nengard |
yeah i'm on the server |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
| 19:44 |
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jcamins |
Well, you can check if it's a package install by running `koha-list` |
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jcamins |
If it lists your instance, it's a package install. |
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jcamins |
Or you could simply look in your Apache config, which is what I would do. |
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jcamins |
(if you prefer not to do that, you can probably conclude that it's a standard install if you do not have a koha-list command and do have something in /usr/share/koha |
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nengard |
in which directory |
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nengard |
okay i do have usr/share/koha |
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nengard |
what i guess i need to know is how to find the koha directory? |
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nengard |
like on mine I cd kohaclone |
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jcamins |
Huh? |
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magnuse |
no output from koha-list? |
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magnuse |
mibbit-- ;-) |
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nengard |
how much of thaqt did you get? I was just kicked out |
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nengard |
yeah i'm not on my computer |
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magnuse |
<nengard> in which directory |
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magnuse |
<nengard> okay i do have usr/share/koha |
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magnuse |
<nengard> what i guess i need to know is how to find the koha directory? |
| 19:49 |
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magnuse |
<nengard> like on mine I cd kohaclone |
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magnuse |
<jcamins> Huh? |
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magnuse |
<magnuse> no output from koha-list? |
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nengard |
koha-koha WW-R-ITLWDW1K5M:/usr/share/koha$ koha-list bash: koha-list: command not found |
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nengard |
did you get any of what i said about version and disney and such? or was that all lost by mibbit? |
| 19:50 |
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magnuse |
not a package install then |
| 19:50 |
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magnuse |
nothing about version or disney |
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nengard |
grrr |
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* magnuse |
gotta run |
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jcamins |
It is not a package install. |
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jcamins |
If you have /usr/share/koha, chances are good it's a standard install. |
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jcamins |
But that is in no way definite. |
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jcamins |
You'd have to either look in the Apache configs -- keeping in mind that they may not help either -- or talk to whoever set it up. |
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nengard |
let me try again |
| 19:52 |
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nengard |
i'm at disney helping with koha - they want to upgrade and are on version 3.9.4 and want to be on master |
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nengard |
i was going to do a git pull |
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nengard |
but wasn't sure if i should |
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nengard |
and it sounds like i can cause it's not a package install |
| 19:52 |
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nengard |
the person who set it up has left here |
| 19:52 |
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nengard |
that's why i was helping :) |
| 19:52 |
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nengard |
so i do have a usr/share/koha folder |
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jcamins |
It's probably a standard install, then. |
| 19:52 |
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jcamins |
However, if this is Disney, you can't simply upgrade them. |
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nengard |
so next question - on my install i have a kohaclone folder - but i don't see one of those here |
| 19:53 |
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jcamins |
They have indexing customizations. |
| 19:53 |
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nengard |
they do? |
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nengard |
do they know that? :) |
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jcamins |
Pretty sure what's-his-name from Disney sent me a copy at some point. |
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nengard |
david |
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jcamins |
That's the one. |
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nengard |
he's on the phone |
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jcamins |
Ask him A) how he installed Koha, and B) whether they have any customizations. |
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jcamins |
They might not. |
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jcamins |
But I have a recollection of him adding some indexing on 010 for authorities. |
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nengard |
i'll ask him when he hangs up |
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nengard |
and grrr |
| 19:55 |
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nengard |
okay - he can't save reports cause of a bug in 3.9.4 |
| 19:55 |
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nengard |
so what do i tell him as far as upgrading goes if he can't do aa simple pull? |
| 19:55 |
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nengard |
a) he didnt' do it - his IT guy who has left did it |
| 19:55 |
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nengard |
b) will ask in a sec - he's on the phone |
| 19:55 |
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nengard |
hmmm |
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bgkriegel |
nengard: if there is a file /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log, the installed version is there |
| 19:55 |
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nengard |
i can probably find that |
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nengard |
isn't there a file i can look for that |
| 19:55 |
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nengard |
bgkriegel yup that's there |
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jcamins |
Ask him about customizations. |
| 19:56 |
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nengard |
he's still on phone |
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nengard |
will as soon as he hangs up |
| 19:56 |
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nengard |
auth index mode is DOM |
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nengard |
according to koha-install-log |
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jcamins |
That was a response to the questio you asked several minutes ago. |
| 19:57 |
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jcamins |
I have a long delay. |
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nengard |
oh! |
| 19:58 |
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jcamins |
And the delay comes and goes, so for example I saw David's name right away, but nothing you said after that for several minutes. |
| 19:58 |
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nengard |
hmm |
| 19:59 |
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jcamins |
If they don't have any customizations, you can just follow the standard upgrade instructions. |
| 19:59 |
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jcamins |
If they do, I wouldn't be willing to offer any advice without access to their server. |
| 19:59 |
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nengard |
jcamins they never got the indexing rule to work |
| 20:00 |
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jcamins |
In that case, they probably wouldn't care about blowing it away. |
| 20:00 |
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jcamins |
So, standard upgrade procedure. |
| 20:01 |
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* Guest930 |
waves |
| 20:02 |
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jcamins |
Obviously you'll want to make _very_ sure they're certain, and take a backup, because there is no "rollback installation" functionality built into Linux. |
| 20:03 |
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wizzyrea |
oleonard: re: bug 9534 - do you have a preference? |
| 20:03 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen |
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|
* wizzyrea |
saw your comment |
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nengard |
got kicked again |
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nengard |
did someone answer me about where they upgrade instructions were? |
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nengard |
i'm not seeing them searching the wiki |
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jcamins |
INSTALL.debian. They haven't been moved. |
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bgkriegel |
oh, in INSTALL file |
| 20:04 |
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nengard |
i've never used them :) |
| 20:05 |
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bgkriegel |
perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log |
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nengard |
what's that gonna do |
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bgkriegel |
nicol, you miss this comment from jcamins "Obviously you'll want to make _very_ sure they're certain, and take a backup, because there is no "rollback installation" functionality built into Linux." |
| 20:06 |
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nengard |
i have a backup |
| 20:08 |
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bgkriegel |
well, the command will look you previous selections, and act accordingly |
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bgkriegel |
user, folders, etc |
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nengard |
okay, either i'm just too tired/sick or i'm missing something |
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nengard |
i'm looking at the UPGRADE section of INSTALL.debian |
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nengard |
but I don't see any commands to upgrade |
| 20:14 |
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nengard |
just to check for dependencies and install template toolkit |
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nengard |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]18cc84587;hb=HEAD |
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nengard |
line 321 |
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wizzyrea |
no, line 336 |
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wizzyrea |
340 even |
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nengard |
336 says to install template toolkit |
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* wizzyrea |
was looking at the wrong branch |
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nengard |
oh! |
| 20:15 |
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nengard |
so, that's a documentation issue :) to the un-educated user that looks like it's part of the installing template toolkit to me |
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nengard |
thank you |
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nengard |
okay - system backed up |
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nengard |
db backed up |
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nengard |
and now i'm just scared to upgrade |
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nengard |
don't want to break this on him |
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nengard |
i've only ever done git fetch |
| 20:16 |
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wizzyrea |
well... |
| 20:16 |
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nengard |
well... :) |
| 20:16 |
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wizzyrea |
welcome to being a system administrator? |
| 20:16 |
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nengard |
hehe |
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nengard |
which i am not |
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wizzyrea |
you can always give them the instructions and say |
| 20:17 |
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wizzyrea |
you do this part. |
| 20:17 |
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wizzyrea |
then it's on them. |
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jcamins |
Every time you upgrade a git install, you need to go through the upgrade procedure. |
| 20:17 |
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wizzyrea |
unless they are paying YOU to do it, of course |
| 20:18 |
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nengard |
okay question |
| 20:18 |
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wizzyrea |
do we have a wiki page about that? |
| 20:18 |
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wahanui |
well, question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" |
| 20:18 |
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wizzyrea |
42. |
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nengard |
i have a backup of the entire system - and a db backup |
| 20:18 |
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nengard |
if i were to totally screw this up |
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nengard |
can someone walk us/him through restoring from the backup? |
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nengard |
i dont even know how to do that |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: I doubt it. After all, the instructions say very clearly "UPGRADE." |
| 20:19 |
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wizzyrea |
no i meant about "how to upgrade a git installation" |
| 20:19 |
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jcamins |
nengard: I am sure you could pay someone. |
| 20:19 |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: right, you follow the exact same instructions. |
| 20:19 |
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nengard |
when i'm on my VM i type 'git fetch' and then 'git rebase origin' and then go to the browser and upgrade |
| 20:19 |
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wizzyrea |
I'm not sure that's clear to everybody. |
| 20:19 |
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jcamins |
Right, that doesn't actually do the whole upgrade. |
| 20:19 |
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nengard |
i've never typed the commands i see under UPGRADE in that doc |
| 20:19 |
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wizzyrea |
(obviously) |
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jcamins |
Patches are welcome. |
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wizzyrea |
to be clear I'm not asking you to fix it - I'm only asking if there is work that needs to be done :P |
| 20:20 |
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nengard |
grrr |
| 20:20 |
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wizzyrea |
in that area |
| 20:20 |
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nengard |
keeps kicking me out |
| 20:21 |
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jcamins |
I would have said "no," because it never occurred to me to ignore the instructions. |
| 20:21 |
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wizzyrea |
the answer to that, is clearly "yes" |
| 20:21 |
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nengard |
yes agreed with wizzyrea and i would patch if i understood what was going on :) |
| 20:21 |
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jcamins |
But... maybe? |
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nengard |
hmmm |
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nengard |
something is funky here |
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nengard |
bash: apt-get install: command not found |
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wizzyrea |
sudo? |
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wahanui |
well, sudo is just so people wont rm -rfrandom stuff or http://xkcd.com/149/ |
| 20:31 |
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wizzyrea |
also perhaps it's not debian? |
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cjh |
too slow :) |
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nengard |
okay question |
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wahanui |
question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" |
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wizzyrea |
shoot |
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nengard |
grr |
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nengard |
stop that |
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nengard |
were my questions coming through before |
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oleonard |
logs? |
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wahanui |
logs is, like, http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
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nengard |
am i here |
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nengard |
does mibbit suck? :) |
| 20:44 |
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nengard |
so mibbit sucks |
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nengard |
okay |
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wizzyrea |
you are here now |
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nengard |
let's try this |
| 20:48 |
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nengard |
no more mibbit |
| 20:48 |
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nengard |
so i was trying to ask the following |
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nengard |
where is makefile.pl ? i'm not finding it when i locate -i makefile |
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wizzyrea |
capitalised. |
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wizzyrea |
Makefile.pl |
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nengard |
nothing |
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cait |
it's in your koha directory |
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wizzyrea |
then it's in the root of your kohaclone. |
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jcamins |
Makefile.PL |
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cait |
yep |
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wizzyrea |
PL sorry |
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jcamins |
P and L are capitalized. |
| 20:50 |
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wizzyrea |
but it says that in the instructions anyway. |
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jcamins |
Wherever you downloaded Koha to, that's where it is. |
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nengard |
where do find the root of kohaclone - remember i didn't install this |
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nengard |
i found usr/share/koha |
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wizzyrea |
I think you should not be attempting this. |
| 20:50 |
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nengard |
but i don't see kohaclone |
| 20:50 |
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nengard |
i agree |
| 20:50 |
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nengard |
but he's gonna ask the same questions |
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nengard |
cause he has no one to upgrade him and he can't save reports |
| 20:50 |
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nengard |
cause of a bug that was in 3.9.4 |
| 20:51 |
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nengard |
which he's on |
| 20:51 |
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nengard |
so what do i recommend? |
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jcamins |
A support vendor? |
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wizzyrea |
I recommend that he pay someone to do it (like your esteemed colleagues) |
| 20:51 |
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wizzyrea |
remember, open source isn't about cost, it's about freedom. |
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* jcamins |
favors C & P, but you might be partial to this other company I've heard of. ;) |
| 20:51 |
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nengard |
hmmm |
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nengard |
:p |
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wizzyrea |
i mean, the poor fella is on a standard install, that is master |
| 20:52 |
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nengard |
i agree |
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wizzyrea |
or a previous development version |
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nengard |
he's a one person library |
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wizzyrea |
the other option is |
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nengard |
no budget |
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wizzyrea |
to find the patch |
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jcamins |
I have bad news: I need to put New Zealand in the same category as Australia. |
| 20:52 |
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wizzyrea |
that fixed it |
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wizzyrea |
the awesome category? |
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jcamins |
Actually, it was the Wine-Australian category. |
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jcamins |
I think I might make it the Wine-Oceania category. |
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wizzyrea |
oh it's like anywhere, there's awesome wine and not awesome wine here. |
| 20:53 |
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wizzyrea |
and from here. |
| 20:54 |
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wizzyrea |
but seriously nengard - if their ILS is important, and it always is |
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wizzyrea |
doing it right is worth the money. |
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nengard |
of course |
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nengard |
i agree |
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nengard |
was just trying to be helpful |
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nengard |
if i could |
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jcamins |
Apparently it used to be really hard to develop an expertise in wine in NZ. |
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wizzyrea |
i get that, but I think this is probably not something you want to be responsible for |
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wizzyrea |
and is probably beyond the scope of "free support on the internet" |
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jcamins |
Back in 1985, I don't think they were discussing wine internationally on the internet. |
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drojf |
break it for free, repair it in your spare time |
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drojf |
jcamins: yay for the future we live in |
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jcamins |
drojf: indeed. |
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jcamins |
Not that there's any way to taste wine over IRC. |
| 20:57 |
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jcamins |
Alas. |
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drojf |
…yet! |
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druthb |
cait and I keep working on a teleportation device. I have the software just about hacked, but she's hit a snag on hardware. |
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drojf |
nengard: wouldn't it be easier to take the data backup, throw away whatever koha that is and install packages? they could probably do that themselves |
| 20:59 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, it's a lot easier to upgrade packages too |
| 20:59 |
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wizzyrea |
as in apt-get upgrade koha-common |
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wizzyrea |
easy. |
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wizzyrea |
plus the cron jobs are all taken care of for you |
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wizzyrea |
you only get stable releases |
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drojf |
i walked 20 people through package installation lately, most of them never used linux and/or command line stuff before |
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trea |
that was going to be my suggestion |
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* joltt |
test |
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trea |
dump the data, install on packages, and run the upgrade |
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trea |
problem solved |
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nengard |
okay folks we are on a package install |
| 21:01 |
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wizzyrea |
... |
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nengard |
so... |
| 21:02 |
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nengard |
now ... |
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trea |
sudo apt-get upgrade koha-common |
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nengard |
do i just do that |
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wizzyrea |
what's in your apt-sources.list |
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nengard |
hehe |
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nengard |
i was typing that trea |
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* wizzyrea |
suspects it's not got the main |
| 21:02 |
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wizzyrea |
but the dev. |
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nengard |
debian.koha-community ? blah blah |
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drojf |
what wizzyrea says |
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nengard |
it's the dev package |
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wizzyrea |
no, the blah blah is important |
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drojf |
the blabla is the important part |
| 21:03 |
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wizzyrea |
what does it say |
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drojf |
:D |
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nengard |
koha/squeeze-dev |
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drojf |
look |
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wizzyrea |
you probably want squeeze-main |
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wizzyrea |
and the keys changed recently, eythian sent out keys |
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wajasu |
chrin_n: ok. i got proportional font wrap for labels working. i wonder if i should make it so if you specify justify='Center', the left_text-margin is ignored, and only applies to the barcode so that one can center the barcode |
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nengard |
okay but if he just wanted to upgrade what he has now |
| 21:04 |
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nengard |
then it's just what trea said |
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wizzyrea |
i don't think we're making dev packages right now? |
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drojf |
he does not want taht |
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trea |
but that's still a dev install |
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trea |
why would he do that |
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nengard |
he's a solo librarian it's not a public catalog he just wants the darn thing to let him save reports right now |
| 21:04 |
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nengard |
i agree with you all |
| 21:04 |
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nengard |
he should be on stable/main |
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wajasu |
chris_n:ok. i got proportional font wrap for labels working. i wonder if i should make it so if you specify justify='Center', the left_text-margin is ignored, and only applies to the barcode so that one can center the barcode |
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nengard |
but if the only thing i can do for free to help him is upgrade him - will apt-get upgrade do it? |
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nengard |
or are we saying we don't have an updated version of that package |
| 21:05 |
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nengard |
cause we're not doing it anymore? |
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drojf |
that will give him another weird version |
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trea |
and if you do that, then next time, instead of reports not working it will be something else. |
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nengard |
or am i maiking no sense |
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chris_n |
wajasu: that sounds like a good idea |
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* magnuse |
should have specified "*sudo* koha-list" if you want to check if you are on a package install |
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nengard |
oops |
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drojf |
that cleared that up :D |
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chris_n |
wajasu: thanks for working on that :) |
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wizzyrea |
sure, try it. debian.koha-community.org says that squeeze-dev was last generated 28 feb |
| 21:06 |
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wizzyrea |
no idea what you'll get though. |
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nengard |
can we upgrade from dev to main? |
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wizzyrea |
eythian would have better advice on that - he's not in yet |
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nengard |
or should we (spitballing here) update the dev package and then when 3.12 comes out start a new machine with stable and keep him stable from there |
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nengard |
this from the linux expert talking over my shoulder :) |
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wizzyrea |
you should always run stable |
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nengard |
how do i get to stable from here then? |
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drojf |
nengard: put in 'deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main', make a apt-get update and then upgrade. that will give you 3.10. if that is 3.9.something now it is a newer version and should be alright. downgrading from dev to older stable would be weird maybe |
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nengard |
that was a suggestion to get to stable eventually - we're open t suggestions |
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drojf |
squeeze is stable |
| 21:09 |
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magnuse |
nengard: "sudo apt-cache policy koha-common" should tell you what version you get if you upgrade |
| 21:09 |
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nengard |
i'm on squeeze-dev |
| 21:09 |
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drojf |
that is why you should change the /etc/apt/source.list entry :) |
| 21:10 |
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nengard |
magnuse it says 3.9.1 is installed and 3.9.1 is the candidate |
| 21:10 |
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nengard |
so there is no upgrade? |
| 21:10 |
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wizzyrea |
(because you are on dev) |
| 21:10 |
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nengard |
right |
| 21:10 |
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nengard |
so what drojf said ? that will get me on stable? |
| 21:10 |
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wajasu |
chris_n: i coded it so if text_wrap_cols = 0, which it isn't now, since its calculated, it will truncate without wrapping, but we'd need to add a way to configure truncation, but thats for another day. |
| 21:11 |
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drojf |
nengard: yes |
| 21:11 |
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nengard |
okey dokey |
| 21:11 |
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drojf |
nengard: and btw i have done that once or twice without problems, i do not recall the versions though |
| 21:11 |
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magnuse |
nengard: you might need to do "sudo apt-get update" |
| 21:12 |
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magnuse |
... if it has not been done in a while |
| 21:12 |
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chris_n |
wajasu: sounds good |
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| 21:13 |
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nengard |
magnuse and all doing that now |
| 21:13 |
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nengard |
the update |
| 21:13 |
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wahanui |
the update is probably good because it tells people a new syspref has been added |
| 21:13 |
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nengard |
silly bot |
| 21:13 |
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drojf |
wahanui: forget the update |
| 21:13 |
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wahanui |
drojf: I forgot update |
| 21:14 |
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* wizzyrea |
defers to magnuse on things packages |
| 21:14 |
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magnuse |
eeek! ;-) |
| 21:15 |
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wajasu |
chris_n: is it worth working on putting support for a unicode font [another patch] (configurable path), and embedding it in the PDF, so we might get diacritics working? or is that too much? |
| 21:15 |
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nengard |
okay update isn't working ? i get an error: |
| 21:15 |
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drojf |
new gpg key? |
| 21:16 |
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drojf |
(just guessing) |
| 21:16 |
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nengard |
failed to fetch htt://debian.koha-commuinty.org/koha/dists/squeeze0main/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 |
| 21:16 |
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nengard |
oh you did say there were new keys |
| 21:16 |
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chris_n |
wajasu: it would probably be worth the trouble, but would require having the particular font installed on one's koha server |
| 21:16 |
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cjh |
nengard: ahh your apt sources entry sounds wrong |
| 21:16 |
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cjh |
squeeze0main should be squeeze/main |
| 21:16 |
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drojf |
there shouldn't be a 0 there and it is community |
| 21:16 |
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chris_n |
wajasu: seems I encountered some resistance to that back in the day |
| 21:16 |
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drojf |
and http |
| 21:16 |
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jcamins |
And it should be http:// |
| 21:16 |
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cjh |
also what drojf mentioned, missed that :) |
| 21:16 |
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jcamins |
wajasu: do it in two patches if you must. |
| 21:17 |
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chris_n |
but I'm sure there would be lots of folks who would happily install said fonts if that resolved the issue |
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magnuse |
i agree with drojf: make sure "deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main" is in "/etc/apt/sources.list", then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" should give you 3.10.x |
| 21:17 |
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jcamins |
There were concerns about dependencies |
| 21:17 |
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chris_n |
jcamins: in reference to ? |
| 21:17 |
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wajasu |
two patches of course. |
| 21:18 |
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* chris_n |
did not read back far enough |
| 21:18 |
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jcamins |
chris_n: the fonts. |
| 21:18 |
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jcamins |
They may not be installable. |
| 21:18 |
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jcamins |
Or something. |
| 21:18 |
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wahanui |
it has been said that something is wrong.... |
| 21:19 |
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chris_n |
jcamins: installing fonts would be the user's responsibility |
| 21:19 |
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chris_n |
we should not put them in the repo I thnk |
| 21:19 |
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chris_n |
wahanui: forget something |
| 21:19 |
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wahanui |
chris_n: I forgot something |
| 21:19 |
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wajasu |
i'd just make it syspref configurable and it would depend on the font/path being available and the user's responsibility (i.e. optional) |
| 21:19 |
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jcamins |
As long as it will continue to work as it has for people who don't have the fonts, and as long as that's in a separate patch, if it can get signed off and QAed before the freeze, I'll accept it. |
| 21:19 |
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chris_n |
I took wajasu's suggestion as adding a configurable path syspref |
| 21:20 |
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jcamins |
Ah. That'd work for me. |
| 21:20 |
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chris_n |
yes, the current action should be default |
| 21:20 |
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magnuse |
nengard: and by all means do a mysqldump first :-) |
| 21:20 |
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* magnuse |
wishes #koha a good $time_of_day |
| 21:21 |
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nengard |
of course did that already |
| 21:22 |
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drojf |
magnuse: good night, if that was a goodbye ;) |
| 21:24 |
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nengard |
okay bash: deb: command not found |
| 21:25 |
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wizzyrea |
make sure "deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main" is in "/etc/apt/sources.list", |
| 21:25 |
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drojf |
the line with 'deb' goes into /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:25 |
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wizzyrea |
says magnuse |
| 21:25 |
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drojf |
not in the command line |
| 21:26 |
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drojf |
it is supposed to replace the line with koha squeeze-dev blahblah |
| 21:27 |
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nengard |
oh it's there |
| 21:27 |
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nengard |
and i think i give up |
| 21:27 |
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nengard |
thanks guys |
| 21:27 |
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drojf |
oh. you're so close! |
| 21:27 |
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nengard |
am i really |
| 21:27 |
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drojf |
yes |
| 21:27 |
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nengard |
why do i keep getting errors :( |
| 21:28 |
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nengard |
okay tell me what to try next |
| 21:28 |
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wizzyrea |
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 21:28 |
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cjh |
and show us the error :) |
| 21:28 |
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wizzyrea |
because you keep typing the wrong thing in the wrong place :P |
| 21:28 |
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nengard |
okay trying again |
| 21:28 |
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wizzyrea |
or you can omit the && |
| 21:28 |
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wizzyrea |
and do each one at a time |
| 21:28 |
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wizzyrea |
sudo apt-get update |
| 21:28 |
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wizzyrea |
sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 21:29 |
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drojf |
i think the gpg key changed so that may be good for another error message maybe. but tell us what you get after sudo apt-get update |
| 21:29 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, you might need a new key |
| 21:29 |
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pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "errors for apt-get update" (38 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/418 |
| 21:29 |
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nengard |
errors |
| 21:30 |
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nengard |
wizzy i did the key thing |
| 21:30 |
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nengard |
followed the email |
| 21:30 |
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tcohen |
update your keys |
| 21:30 |
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tcohen |
wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:30 |
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nengard |
did that |
| 21:30 |
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tcohen |
apt-get update? no errors? |
| 21:30 |
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wizzyrea |
looks like she doesn't have keys for anything |
| 21:30 |
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| 21:30 |
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drojf |
ouch that looks… strange |
| 21:31 |
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pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "keys" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/419 |
| 21:31 |
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wizzyrea |
looks like you maybe have the GUI update thinger running? |
| 21:31 |
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wizzyrea |
is there a gui on this machine? |
| 21:31 |
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nengard |
yes |
| 21:31 |
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wizzyrea |
do you have software center running? |
| 21:31 |
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wizzyrea |
or update manager/ |
| 21:31 |
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drojf |
yeah that has to go |
| 21:31 |
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nengard |
synaptic is running |
| 21:31 |
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cjh |
make sure all other package management software is closed |
| 21:31 |
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drojf |
synaptic or whatever |
| 21:31 |
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wizzyrea |
make it go away |
| 21:31 |
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nengard |
okay i did |
| 21:32 |
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nengard |
now what? |
| 21:32 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it now is good time with holidays coming up |
| 21:32 |
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drojf |
repear the last command |
| 21:32 |
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drojf |
the update one |
| 21:32 |
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nengard |
k |
| 21:32 |
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drojf |
repeat even |
| 21:32 |
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nengard |
hehe |
| 21:32 |
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nengard |
same errors |
| 21:32 |
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nengard |
now wait |
| 21:32 |
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wizzyrea |
exact same? |
| 21:32 |
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nengard |
no wait |
| 21:33 |
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* wizzyrea |
suspects they won't be exactly the same |
| 21:33 |
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* cjh |
hopes it won't be exactly the same |
| 21:33 |
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pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "new errors?" (37 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/420 |
| 21:33 |
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tcohen |
there's a background index updater running |
| 21:33 |
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nengard |
how do i find that? |
| 21:33 |
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tcohen |
ps -ef | grep apt |
| 21:34 |
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pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "grep apt" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/421 |
| 21:34 |
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drojf |
kill it with fire |
| 21:34 |
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tcohen |
sudo kill -9 1015 ; sudo apt-get update |
| 21:34 |
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drojf |
what is xapian? |
| 21:34 |
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jcamins |
A full-text indexer. |
| 21:34 |
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nengard |
i don't know what is it? |
| 21:35 |
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nengard |
killing is okay? |
| 21:35 |
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jcamins |
Probably the server is used for a lot of other things, too. |
| 21:35 |
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tcohen |
its like zebra, but for packages info |
| 21:35 |
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drojf |
jcamins: not anymore HAHAH |
| 21:35 |
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nengard |
so we are okay with the killing?? |
| 21:35 |
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nengard |
won't break anything? |
| 21:35 |
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tcohen |
of course :-P |
| 21:35 |
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nengard |
that's not encouraging |
| 21:35 |
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tcohen |
it will break indexes, which will be rebuilt on update |
| 21:36 |
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nengard |
k |
| 21:36 |
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jcamins |
drojf: hehe |
| 21:36 |
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nengard |
trying again |
| 21:36 |
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nengard |
after killing |
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pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "more damn errors!" (37 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/422 |
| 21:37 |
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wizzyrea |
gpg error |
| 21:37 |
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nengard |
k |
| 21:37 |
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nengard |
so i try the key line again? |
| 21:37 |
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tcohen |
nop |
| 21:37 |
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tcohen |
e |
| 21:37 |
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nengard |
k |
| 21:38 |
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drojf |
my gpg errors usually look differently |
| 21:38 |
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tcohen |
is not a gpg error |
| 21:38 |
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wizzyrea |
nodata is a weird one |
| 21:38 |
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tcohen |
exactly |
| 21:38 |
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cjh |
its the same error as before |
| 21:38 |
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drojf |
that bzip2 sub process thing looks weird too |
| 21:38 |
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nengard |
weird makes me tired |
| 21:39 |
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tcohen |
just reboot |
| 21:39 |
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tcohen |
(no, just jidding) |
| 21:39 |
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tcohen |
what does sudo apt-get -f install do? |
| 21:39 |
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drojf |
do you think the opl person knows what other things are running on that machine= |
| 21:39 |
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drojf |
? |
| 21:39 |
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eythian |
paste the whole output of the update command, not just the bits with warnings. Include your command line. |
| 21:39 |
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nengard |
opl? |
| 21:40 |
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drojf |
i'd +1 from "do fresh package install" to "do a fresh debian install and then packages" :P |
| 21:40 |
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pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "sudo apt-get -f install" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/423 |
| 21:40 |
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nengard |
eythian okay |
| 21:40 |
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drojf |
nengard: i thought it's an opl you are doing that for |
| 21:40 |
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pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "everything" (178 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/424 |
| 21:40 |
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tcohen |
there have been some tls and ssl updates recently on debian/ubuntu, what are thse updates? |
| 21:41 |
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nengard |
opl = one person library - sorry getting tired here |
| 21:41 |
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nengard |
yes it's Disney and the's a one person librarian and he didn't do the install |
| 21:41 |
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nengard |
so he's not sure |
| 21:41 |
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nengard |
the guy who did install left |
| 21:41 |
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nengard |
and a new guy is here who will help us once we get back on stable |
| 21:42 |
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tcohen |
u tried the sudo apt-get upgrade command, right? |
| 21:42 |
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nengard |
not yet |
| 21:42 |
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nengard |
update kept throwing errors |
| 21:42 |
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nengard |
so i was waiting to do that until update worked |
| 21:43 |
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jcamins |
apt-get upgrade will not actually upgrade Koha. |
| 21:43 |
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jcamins |
New dependencies. |
| 21:43 |
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wahanui |
new dependencies are optional. |
| 21:43 |
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nengard |
so i should do that even if apt-get update failed |
| 21:43 |
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nengard |
just confirming |
| 21:44 |
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tcohen |
is there something about keyring or tls? |
| 21:44 |
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eythian |
I'm suspicious that you're behind a proxy or something |
| 21:44 |
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eythian |
tcohen: the indexes aren't downloading properly |
| 21:44 |
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tcohen |
a proxy breaking files |
| 21:44 |
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nengard |
eythian it's possible the librarian isn't sure ? |
| 21:44 |
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nengard |
we are behind a firewall |
| 21:44 |
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eythian |
if you run 'GET http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/', what do you see? |
| 21:44 |
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eythian |
you should see lines like "<head><title>Index of /debian/</title></head>" |
| 21:45 |
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jcamins |
Do you know, I never knew about the GET command. |
| 21:45 |
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jcamins |
That's very cool! |
| 21:45 |
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pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ftp thingy" (102 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/425 |
| 21:45 |
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nengard |
i think that's right |
| 21:46 |
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nengard |
who was it that said i was close? :) |
| 21:46 |
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nengard |
you guys rock by the way!! |
| 21:47 |
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nengard |
lunch is churning in my tummy so i appreciate all the help!! |
| 21:47 |
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eythian |
weird, you get different results to me, but it still looks correct. |
| 21:49 |
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nengard |
so where do we go from here |
| 21:49 |
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tcohen |
which package contains GET and POST commands? didn't know them |
| 21:49 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: libwww-perl, apparently. |
| 21:49 |
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eythian |
wait |
| 21:49 |
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eythian |
you have two sets of deb lines hitting different servers but fetching the same stuff |
| 21:49 |
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eythian |
paste your sources.list file? |
| 21:49 |
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nengard |
uh oh |
| 21:50 |
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pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "sources - you're right it's in there 2 times" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/426 |
| 21:51 |
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eythian |
hmm |
| 21:51 |
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eythian |
no, I think that looks OK |
| 21:51 |
|
* eythian |
checks my VM |
| 21:51 |
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nengard |
i'll brb - don't go away - i'll be super quick |
| 21:52 |
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eythian |
yeah, that should be OK. |
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wizzyrea |
hi irma - I got your request taken care of :) |
| 21:52 |
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Irma |
hi wizzyrea thanks :-) |
| 21:54 |
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eythian |
nengard: is there anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 21:54 |
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eythian |
? |
| 21:54 |
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eythian |
I don't think this will be the problem, but it'd pay to check |
| 21:54 |
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nengard |
back |
| 21:54 |
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eythian |
basically, there is Something Wrong with either your current package cache, or with your network that's causing flakey downloads. |
| 21:55 |
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nengard |
eythian nothing |
| 21:55 |
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nengard |
wait |
| 21:55 |
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nengard |
typo |
| 21:55 |
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nengard |
nope, nothing |
| 21:56 |
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nengard |
i couldn't do a fetch from git on my laptop vm - so it might be the latter ? network flakey |
| 21:57 |
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eythian |
yeah. let me thing of a test... |
| 21:57 |
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eythian |
think |
| 21:57 |
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tcohen |
pichu |
| 21:57 |
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eythian |
maccu? |
| 21:57 |
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nengard |
? |
| 21:57 |
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rambutan |
nengard: I'm only half-way following the topic here, but would using >sudo apt-get dist-upgrade help your problem? |
| 21:57 |
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rambutan |
http://forums.debian.net/viewt[…].php?f=30&t=80324 |
| 21:57 |
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eythian |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macchu_pichu <-- bad spelling |
| 21:57 |
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eythian |
rambutan: no, it probably wouldn't |
| 21:58 |
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nengard |
rambutan i don't know |
| 21:58 |
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nengard |
what he said |
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jcamins |
It's like Marco Polo, except instead of being a child's swimming game, it's a historic ruin in Peru. |
| 21:59 |
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nengard |
k |
| 21:59 |
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pastebot |
"eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "nengard: try these commands, see if you get the same results" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/427 |
| 21:59 |
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jcamins |
(no, that response had nothing to do with the topic at hand, but I thought it was funny;) |
| 21:59 |
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tcohen |
it was jcamins |
| 22:00 |
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jcamins |
:) |
| 22:00 |
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tcohen |
i had window focus problem, talking to one pichu |
| 22:00 |
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jcamins |
Oh, I thought I just didn't understand what you were saying. ;) |
| 22:00 |
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pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "eythian" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/428 |
| 22:01 |
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eythian |
nengard: you didn't try all the commands, you missed the first one. |
| 22:01 |
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nengard |
oops |
| 22:01 |
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tcohen |
nengard: if repeating for koha's repo gives the same error, its a proxy problem |
| 22:01 |
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pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "eythian" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/429 |
| 22:02 |
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eythian |
that suggests it's not a proxy problem |
| 22:03 |
|
* eythian |
tries something |
| 22:03 |
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tcohen |
or it just got fixed :-P |
| 22:03 |
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eythian |
possible :) |
| 22:05 |
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eythian |
nengard: paste the results of ls -lh /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 22:06 |
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pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "eythian" (23 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/430 |
| 22:07 |
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eythian |
type this one very carefully: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* |
| 22:07 |
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eythian |
you should get a warning: rm: cannot remove `partial': Is a directory |
| 22:07 |
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nengard |
heh |
| 22:07 |
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eythian |
that's OK |
| 22:07 |
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nengard |
not scared at all |
| 22:07 |
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wizzyrea |
incidentally, the patch for the problem you ahve is here: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8128 |
| 22:07 |
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huginn |
Bug 8128: blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED FIXED, can't seem to run new sql reports |
| 22:08 |
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eythian |
when you've done that, run sudo apt-get update again |
| 22:08 |
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nengard |
k |
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pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "eythian" (199 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/431 |
| 22:10 |
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wizzyrea |
we aren't concerned by |
| 22:10 |
|
wizzyrea |
W: GPG error: http://debian.koha-community.org squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 doesn't it seem odd that they keys have nodata? |
| 22:11 |
|
eythian |
wizzyrea: no |
| 22:11 |
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eythian |
because that's just a symptom |
| 22:11 |
|
wizzyrea |
alright then. |
| 22:11 |
|
eythian |
the real issue is whatever is causing: 87% [2 Translation-en bzip2 0 B] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [8 Release.gpg 0 B/1bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. |
| 22:11 |
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nengard |
hmm |
| 22:11 |
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eythian |
nengard: when it's saying "Waiting for headers", does it take a long time? |
| 22:11 |
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eythian |
or is it really quick? |
| 22:12 |
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eythian |
(like, is it 1 second or more like 10) |
| 22:12 |
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wizzyrea |
i wonder if she should try using the gui management for this? |
| 22:12 |
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wizzyrea |
for her sources. |
| 22:12 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: it all uses the same stuff on the backend |
| 22:12 |
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eythian |
only, makes it harder to see the errors |
| 22:12 |
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wizzyrea |
sure but... it was running earlier |
| 22:13 |
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eythian |
was it working though? |
| 22:13 |
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wizzyrea |
I can't tell you that. The sources she pasted were quite old |
| 22:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
so I'd guess "no" |
| 22:14 |
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eythian |
the GUI tools will run, but I'd expect them to have the same errors when you tell it to update the package list. |
| 22:15 |
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drojf |
there wouldn't be no space left on the device? |
| 22:15 |
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nengard |
am i supposed to follow this? :) |
| 22:15 |
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eythian |
drojf: worth a check |
| 22:16 |
|
eythian |
nengard: parts of it, yes |
| 22:16 |
|
eythian |
<eythian> nengard: when it's saying "Waiting for headers", does it take a long time? |
| 22:16 |
|
eythian |
<eythian> or is it really quick? |
| 22:16 |
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eythian |
<eythian> (like, is it 1 second or more like 10) |
| 22:16 |
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eythian |
like that bit. |
| 22:16 |
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eythian |
also, paste the output of df -h |
| 22:16 |
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drojf |
and after what eythian says, what does 'df -h' say? |
| 22:16 |
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drojf |
heh |
| 22:16 |
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eythian |
snap |
| 22:16 |
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nengard |
sorry - phone |
| 22:16 |
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nengard |
not it's not that long at all |
| 22:16 |
|
tcohen |
sudo apt-get install debian-keyring |
| 22:16 |
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nengard |
seconds |
| 22:16 |
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tcohen |
format C: |
| 22:17 |
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drojf |
lol |
| 22:17 |
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nengard |
NO WAY |
| 22:17 |
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eythian |
hey you know what's suspect |
| 22:17 |
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tcohen |
:-P |
| 22:18 |
|
eythian |
Get:32 http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/main Sources [1,513 B] |
| 22:18 |
|
eythian |
Get:33 http://ftp.debian.org squeeze-updates/contrib Sources [1,513 B] |
| 22:18 |
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nengard |
do i install the keyring thing? |
| 22:18 |
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eythian |
all those files are coming out at the same size |
| 22:18 |
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nengard |
or was that a joke too |
| 22:18 |
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eythian |
it won't help |
| 22:18 |
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eythian |
Get:29 http://debian.koha-community.org squeeze/main i386 Packages [1,513 B] |
| 22:18 |
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eythian |
that's also the same size. |
| 22:18 |
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eythian |
it's almost certainly network related shenanigans |
| 22:18 |
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tcohen |
wget -O - |
| 22:18 |
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eythian |
tcohen: scroll up, tried that |
| 22:19 |
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eythian |
(and it worked which is strange) |
| 22:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
maybe not, the packet was less than 1513B? |
| 22:19 |
|
* wizzyrea |
doesn't know, just speculating |
| 22:19 |
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jcamins |
I wonder what the proxy is sending... I'm guessing "This site's security policy does not allow access to these resources. The attempted security breach has been logged." |
| 22:20 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: they shouldn't all be the same size though |
| 22:20 |
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eythian |
I hate how apt doesn't tell you the actual file it's fetching |
| 22:20 |
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wizzyrea |
no i meant for the -O_ |
| 22:20 |
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eythian |
-O - just puts output to stdout |
| 22:21 |
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wizzyrea |
we are talking past each other |
| 22:21 |
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eythian |
possibly :) |
| 22:21 |
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wizzyrea |
it's fine, not important. |
| 22:21 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 22:21 |
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tcohen |
wget -O- http://ftp.us.debian.org/debia[…]i386/Packages.bz2 |
| 22:21 |
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drojf |
unfortunately i got this mickey mouse march from full metal jacket stuck in my head now. thanks disney :p |
| 22:21 |
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nengard |
do i do that |
| 22:21 |
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tcohen |
try the wget again |
| 22:22 |
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wizzyrea |
it is a huge corp, we can only assume that they have mad security schemes |
| 22:22 |
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drojf |
they have their own disnet |
| 22:23 |
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nengard |
um |
| 22:23 |
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tcohen |
fmj, great movie BTW |
| 22:23 |
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nengard |
that doesn't look good |
| 22:23 |
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nengard |
the wget thing |
| 22:23 |
|
nengard |
and it's going forever and error |
| 22:23 |
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tcohen |
FORBIDEN? |
| 22:23 |
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nengard |
all kinds of characters |
| 22:23 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 22:23 |
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nengard |
yeah that's good? |
| 22:23 |
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eythian |
putting a binary file to the terminal is often not ideal |
| 22:24 |
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nengard |
seems to have stopped or failed or something |
| 22:24 |
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tcohen |
run reset |
| 22:24 |
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eythian |
I'm very confused why that works and apt doesn't though |
| 22:24 |
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nengard |
it's a blinking cursor at 9;c |
| 22:24 |
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tcohen |
to get your terminal back (if chars are broken) |
| 22:24 |
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eythian |
type 'reset' |
| 22:24 |
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nengard |
k |
| 22:24 |
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nengard |
got it back |
| 22:25 |
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tcohen |
flame warning> that wouldn't have happened in Mandriva |
| 22:25 |
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nengard |
that means nothing to me :) |
| 22:25 |
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eythian |
tcohen: that's because no one uses Mandriva :) |
| 22:25 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: no... Mandriva predated the Internet. :P |
| 22:26 |
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nengard |
okay guys, we were supposedly close like a hour ago :) |
| 22:26 |
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eythian |
hey wait |
| 22:26 |
|
nengard |
have we hit a wall? .... oh maybe not |
| 22:26 |
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tcohen |
heh |
| 22:26 |
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eythian |
nengard: yeah, but your system is weird |
| 22:26 |
|
nengard |
not my system! :) |
| 22:26 |
|
nengard |
but yes |
| 22:26 |
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eythian |
there's something else funny |
| 22:26 |
|
eythian |
try this: |
| 22:26 |
|
eythian |
wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.o[…]i386/Packages.bz2 |
| 22:27 |
|
tcohen |
THAT is not funny at all! |
| 22:27 |
|
pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "error" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/432 |
| 22:27 |
|
eythian |
damn |
| 22:28 |
|
eythian |
that's what should happen on a working system |
| 22:28 |
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nengard |
hmm |
| 22:28 |
|
drojf |
did you try the df -h thing? |
| 22:28 |
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eythian |
oddly, your system is trying to access it |
| 22:28 |
|
eythian |
and it doesn't exist |
| 22:28 |
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nengard |
i don't remember if i did the df hting |
| 22:28 |
|
nengard |
what was that? |
| 22:28 |
|
wizzyrea |
type it |
| 22:28 |
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drojf |
df -h |
| 22:28 |
|
nengard |
i tried so many things |
| 22:28 |
|
nengard |
oh |
| 22:28 |
|
nengard |
k |
| 22:29 |
|
pastebot |
"nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "df -h" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/433 |
| 22:29 |
|
tcohen |
jcamins: urpmi was really awesome |
| 22:30 |
|
tcohen |
(never used Mandriva, Mandrake was my first distro, then moved to Gentoo, then Debian) |
| 22:30 |
|
drojf |
that looks fine. i would have love an extra apt partition of 1513b |
| 22:30 |
|
eythian |
heh |
| 22:30 |
|
nengard |
once we get this solved if we get this solved they're going to do a fresh system and copy the db over |
| 22:31 |
|
eythian |
wait |
| 22:31 |
|
nengard |
but we need to get the db upgraded so that it works |
| 22:31 |
|
eythian |
why not just do a fresh system now then? |
| 22:31 |
|
nengard |
they have data |
| 22:31 |
|
eythian |
you can move the data |
| 22:31 |
|
nengard |
how do we import old data from a 3.9.4 db to a 3.10.3 system |
| 22:31 |
|
jcamins |
Why are you trying to upgrade in a broken system? Just move the data. |
| 22:31 |
|
eythian |
you just .. do |
| 22:31 |
|
eythian |
it'll work |
| 22:31 |
|
nengard |
i'm so confused guys ... picture a tired sleepy and nausious nicole and speak slowly |
| 22:31 |
|
eythian |
it'll upgrade itself |
| 22:31 |
|
nengard |
really??? |
| 22:32 |
|
nengard |
so we do a mysqldump |
| 22:32 |
|
nengard |
do a fresh install |
| 22:32 |
|
nengard |
and the import the db and it will work? |
| 22:32 |
|
eythian |
sure, you put old data into a new koha system and it'll see that it's old and upgrade it for you. |
| 22:32 |
|
bgkriegel |
yep |
| 22:32 |
|
nengard |
even thought the old db has different fields |
| 22:32 |
|
nengard |
OMG |
| 22:32 |
|
eythian |
yeah, the upgrade process takes care of it for you. |
| 22:32 |
|
drojf |
we should have hand-on installation sessions more often :) |
| 22:33 |
|
eythian |
when you first start it up with the old data, it'll force you to run through the upgrade process. |
| 22:33 |
|
drojf |
nengard gets a completely different perspective :) |
| 22:33 |
|
tcohen |
belive it, Koha is magical |
| 22:33 |
|
nengard |
omg |
| 22:33 |
|
nengard |
omg |
| 22:33 |
|
nengard |
omg |
| 22:33 |
|
tcohen |
heh |
| 22:33 |
|
nengard |
my tired brain is so relieved |
| 22:33 |
|
nengard |
okay |
| 22:33 |
|
nengard |
so i'm copying this for the debian guy - who gave up and left me |
| 22:33 |
|
tcohen |
BTW, try that Ubuntu 12.04 thing |
| 22:34 |
|
nengard |
to tell him to install koha fresh and take the mysql dump bring it in and let koha upgrade it |
| 22:34 |
|
drojf |
there is a debian guy, don't scare him away with ubuntu |
| 22:34 |
|
nengard |
anythign else he needs to know |
| 22:34 |
|
nengard |
and what's the ubuntu thing |
| 22:34 |
|
nengard |
he asked if it would run on ubuntu |
| 22:34 |
|
nengard |
so he's okay with that |
| 22:34 |
|
nengard |
either one is fine |
| 22:35 |
|
nengard |
uh oh ... flamer mode ... |
| 22:36 |
|
drojf |
i'm sure it's the good kind of flame |
| 22:36 |
|
eythian |
yeah, I prefer debian, but ubuntu 12.04LTS is also fine. |
| 22:36 |
|
* drojf |
gets the sausages |
| 22:36 |
|
nengard |
:) |
| 22:36 |
|
drojf |
and steaks |
| 22:36 |
|
nengard |
is there a link or rules i want to share with this guy |
| 22:36 |
|
* wizzyrea |
puts away the popcorn |
| 22:36 |
|
nengard |
i'll email him what you all said here - but anything else |
| 22:36 |
|
drojf |
debian? |
| 22:36 |
|
wahanui |
debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that |
| 22:36 |
|
nengard |
before I go and get away from the computer? |
| 22:36 |
|
drojf |
hm |
| 22:36 |
|
drojf |
packages? |
| 22:36 |
|
wahanui |
well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 22:36 |
|
drojf |
^^ this |
| 22:36 |
|
nengard |
also do i need to turn on indexing again ... did we turn that off? |
| 22:36 |
|
nengard |
drojf thanks - that I did have |
| 22:37 |
|
drojf |
that should do for a debian guy |
| 22:37 |
|
drojf |
;) |
| 22:37 |
|
eythian |
yeah, the packaging link should do the job. |
| 22:37 |
|
nengard |
okey dokey |
| 22:37 |
|
nengard |
now what did we kill |
| 22:37 |
|
tcohen_flamer_mode |
stick with Debian |
| 22:37 |
|
nengard |
and do i need to restart it before i go? |
| 22:37 |
|
nengard |
i can search koha |
| 22:37 |
|
eythian |
no |
| 22:37 |
|
eythian |
it was totally unrelated |
| 22:37 |
|
eythian |
at least, the one I saw |
| 22:37 |
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nengard |
okay good |
| 22:37 |
|
nengard |
works for me |
| 22:38 |
|
nengard |
you guys are all the best (guys as in peoples not just boys) :) |
| 22:38 |
|
nengard |
and let me say that i could never do what you all do :) |
| 22:38 |
|
tcohen_flamer_mode |
yeah, don't mess with all this new gender theories |
| 22:38 |
|
nengard |
I'll stick to my training and documentation thank you very much |
| 22:39 |
|
nengard |
and now i think i'll go out in the FL sun and put the top down on my fancy rental car and drive super fast (if the old FL drivers let me) |
| 22:39 |
|
tcohen_flamer_mode |
good luck nengard |
| 22:40 |
|
nengard |
http://www.facebook.com/photo.[…]8.10518624&type=1 |
| 22:40 |
|
eythian |
later |
| 22:40 |
|
nengard |
if you all missed it :) |
| 22:40 |
|
nengard |
speedy car :) |
| 22:40 |
|
nengard |
good night all! Thank you |
| 22:40 |
|
tcohen |
OMGH |
| 22:40 |
|
nengard |
LOL |
| 22:41 |
|
drojf |
fancy, have fun |
| 22:42 |
|
eythian |
http://www.koboldsatemybaby.com/ |
| 22:42 |
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| 22:43 |
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wizzyrea |
beer and pretzels role playing game? |
| 22:44 |
|
tcohen |
have you played closure? |
| 22:44 |
|
eythian |
I know, sounds like a great idea :) |
| 22:44 |
|
eythian |
I don't think I've heard of it. |
| 22:46 |
|
eythian |
oh, you know what |
| 22:46 |
|
eythian |
I bet apt was set up to use a proxt |
| 22:46 |
|
eythian |
proxy |
| 22:46 |
|
eythian |
and nothing else was |
| 22:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
oops. |
| 22:47 |
|
eythian |
which is why its results were different from wget. |
| 22:52 |
|
tcohen |
when is KohaCon13 happening? |
| 22:52 |
|
jcamins |
October. |
| 22:55 |
|
eythian |
I suppose I should write a talk or something |
| 23:00 |
|
tcohen |
you are the beer expert right? you don't need to do anything |
| 23:01 |
|
eythian |
I don't think work will send me on the weight of my beer knowledge alone :) |
| 23:04 |
|
trea |
hey #koha does opac suppression have any impact on holds fulfillment? |
| 23:05 |
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jcamins |
Not to my knowlede. |
| 23:05 |
|
jcamins |
*knowledge |
| 23:07 |
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wizzyrea |
it shouldn't |
| 23:07 |
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trea |
thanks, just confirming |
| 23:07 |
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wizzyrea |
the first question? |
| 23:07 |
|
wahanui |
"What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 23:08 |
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tcohen |
t-rea wizzy-rea |
| 23:08 |
|
eythian |
I wonder if there's a connection.... |
| 23:08 |
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wizzyrea |
now you're getting it |
| 23:09 |
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trea |
purely coincidental |
| 23:09 |
|
trea |
>.> |
| 23:11 |
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tcohen |
leaving now, bye #koha |
| 23:11 |
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wizzyrea |
later :) |
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eythian |
bye tcohen |
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