IRC log for #koha, 2013-03-04

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03:18 wizzyrea wow that was the slowest IRC day ever
03:19 rangi heh
03:19 wizzyrea probably typical for a monday
03:19 rangi yup
03:21 eythian wahanui: monkey is
03:21 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:27 * ibeardslee throws some P into the channel to speed it up
03:28 nvo Hello - just jumped on to ask a question if possible re: searching inconsistencies we're experiencing...
03:28 nvo Not sure what the time is for everyone - it's just after 11am here :-)
03:28 wizzyrea anytime is the right time ;)
03:28 nvo :-D Fantastic
03:28 nvo We upgraded to 3.10.1 a few weeks back - loving the new version
03:29 nvo But there's a weird issue with searching
03:29 nvo it seems like the more precise one is with one's search query, the less likely one is to get results.
03:29 nvo For example, searching for "five views" ([…]idx=&q=five+views ) returns 4 results, including one for the book title "five views on sanctification". However, searching for "five views sanctification" ([…]ews+sanctifcation ) returns a no r
03:30 nvo ...a no results found page.  Similar issues occur when searching on part of a title and author.
03:30 nvo Very confused about this!
03:31 jcamins My initial response is that the problem is the typo.
03:31 nvo :-)
03:31 nvo My fault that - but this is a problem that's been tried and tried with numerous examples by our librarians.
03:31 jcamins However, as it's taking me ages to load the pages, I can't actually confirm.
03:31 jcamins Whoah!
03:31 jcamins Nice catalog!
03:32 nvo Typo fixed:[…]ws+sanctification
03:32 nvo :-) Thanks!
03:32 nvo Yeah - we're on quite a slow connection here :-( Fastest available, unfortuantely
03:33 jcamins What are your sysprefs set to in the Search page?
03:33 jcamins I especially like the buttons.
03:33 jcamins Very tasteful, for something that bold.
03:34 nvo :-) Been slowly migrating to FontAwesome for the icons - makes it look a bit better ;-P
03:34 nvo Checing the sysprefs now
03:34 jcamins Whoah! That's exactly what I needed!
03:35 nvo :-)
03:35 jcamins (Font Awesome)
03:35 nvo Very cool, it is
03:36 nvo Any particular syspref?
03:36 nvo under searching, that is?
03:36 cjh that is a really pretty catalog, the blue is so awesome.
03:36 jcamins There are three Query... sysprefs.
03:37 jcamins I'm not actually working on Koha at the moment, so I don't have it open to check.
03:37 nvo QueryAutoTruncate - only if * is added
03:38 nvo QueryFuzzy  and QuerryStemming : don't try
03:38 nvo QueryWeightFields : enable
03:38 jcamins Okay, all of those sound right.
03:39 jcamins But try disabling QueryWeightFields for a test.
03:40 nvo nope - doesn't seem to make a difference
03:40 nvo wait - actually it does
03:40 jcamins Odd.
03:40 nvo now, the search on "Five views" brings up just 2 results, whereas before it brought up 4
03:41 jcamins *Disabling* QueryWeightFields?
03:41 nvo Yep.
03:41 jcamins ...
03:41 nvo Just re-enabled it, and searched again - 4 records found
03:42 jcamins That is very weird.
03:42 jcamins But at least we know what the problem is.
03:42 wizzyrea is it actually quoted?
03:42 nvo disabled again, 2 found
03:42 nvo as in "Five views" ? no
03:42 wizzyrea k just curious
03:42 jcamins wizzyrea: no, this is another site where the "any" index does not exist.
03:42 jcamins How that is possible I do not know.
03:43 nvo Is it possible to add the "any" index in?
03:44 jcamins nvo: unfortunately, I don't even know how it's possible to not have it... the last time I patched DOM indexing, it worked.
03:44 * wizzyrea wonders if this site has a support vendor
03:44 nvo hmmmm... strange
03:44 wizzyrea and if they installed a specific version
03:44 nvo and no, don't have a support vendor, unfortunately
03:45 nvo we were running on 3.4 until recently - working fine until the upgrade to 3.10
03:45 wizzyrea what version did you install when you first installed koha
03:45 nvo could it be that that caused it
03:45 jcamins nvo: how di you upgrade?
03:45 wizzyrea oh hm
03:45 nvo Started off with 3.2
03:45 jcamins *did
03:45 nvo then upgraded to 3.4 (I think)
03:45 nvo then 3.10.1
03:45 nvo upgraded using the perl method
03:46 jcamins So you ran Makefile.PL, followed by make, followed by make install?
03:46 nvo That's right
03:46 wahanui I know.
03:46 jcamins And when running Makefile.PL you just hit enter ~5 times, accepting all the defaults, right?
03:46 wizzyrea jcamins: you have seen this before?
03:46 jcamins wizzyrea: never.
03:46 jcamins But PTFS-Europe keeps on submitting dubious patches to fix this issue for one field at a time.
03:46 jcamins Well, two patches.
03:47 nvo pointed it to the settongs saved at the initial install
03:47 jcamins nvo: right, but it should have asked an additional three questions?
03:47 nvo But yeah - just accepted the defaults for everything it asked
03:47 jcamins And then you did a full reindex?
03:47 nvo Yep
03:48 jcamins Did you use -x?
03:48 nvo Actually, I've done that a couple of times since as well - grasping at straws!
03:48 nvo Nope, didn't try -x
03:48 nvo shall I try that now?
03:48 jcamins I'd like to know if that fixes the problem.
03:49 jcamins I'm not sure if I expect it to or not, but it's definitely worth a try.
03:49 nvo Running a re-index now
03:49 nvo [Will take a few minutes! :-)]
03:49 eythian nvo: are you going to that library conference thing in Perth later this week?
03:50 nvo Library conference thing in Perth later this week?? Haven't heard about it! ???
03:50 eythian hmm, let me see if I can find something
03:50 wizzyrea PLWA?
03:51 eythian http://www.publiclibrarieswa.o[…]t-events&Itemid=8 <-- yeah this
03:51 wizzyrea
03:51 eythian though perhaps not so relevant
03:51 eythian being public specifically)
03:51 nvo Looks interesting though....
03:51 nvo Might pass it on to our library staff to see if they might be interested
03:51 wizzyrea what kind of library are you running?
03:52 nvo It's a theological college / seminary library. So, tertiary education library
03:52 nvo Quite small - just over 20 000 records
03:52 wizzyrea cool
03:52 wizzyrea oh then it'll be done indexing in more-or-less a snap :)
03:53 nvo Done the export stage, reindexing now!
03:53 jcamins Yeah, see, I have a well-populated any index.
03:54 jcamins Wait...
03:54 jcamins I just had an idea.
03:54 jcamins It's an insane idea.
03:54 nvo I like insane ideas....
03:54 * jcamins tries something silly.
03:55 jcamins Or, I will once it finishes reindexing.
03:56 wizzyrea it's jcamins and his carayzeeeee ideas
03:57 jcamins wizzyrea: no, really... this one is nuts.
03:57 wizzyrea are you going to share?
03:57 jcamins I am preparing to blame the problem on a capitalization issue in upgraded configuration files.
03:57 wizzyrea !
03:57 jcamins We'll see if I'm right.
03:57 wizzyrea that's nowhere near crazy
03:58 nvo welll - this is strange
03:58 wizzyrea it's kind of brilliant
03:58 nvo the reindex just finished
03:58 nvo and now the search results are working a bit better
03:58 nvo As in, they're working....
03:58 jcamins ... or maybe it's just that we should always reindex with XML.
03:58 nvo somehow, the -x did something
03:58 nvo (I know, XML :-) )
03:59 wizzyrea :)
03:59 jcamins Actually, though, I suspect a problem with the capitalization anyway.
03:59 nvo any way to check that?
03:59 wizzyrea well it could be that there's a capitalisation issue that stops it working without -x?
04:00 jcamins wizzyrea: that's what I'm thinking.
04:01 * jcamins curses Facebook.
04:02 wizzyrea curses it?
04:02 eythian everyone who's anyone is on google plus these days anyway.
04:02 wizzyrea kek.
04:02 wizzyrea it's true
04:02 wahanui I read it on the internet!
04:02 jcamins Oh, looks like kf has the same problem.
04:02 eythian wahanui: google plus is at[…]01839510288716136
04:02 wahanui OK, eythian.
04:03 jcamins If I remember, I'll tell her to try my capitalization test.
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04:03 jcamins Or I could just ask her for the results of zebra::index
04:04 eythian wahanui: @random
04:04 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you...
04:04 eythian wahanui: random
04:04 wahanui eythian: sorry...
04:04 eythian hmm
04:04 eythian needs a plugin to just spit out a random factoid.
04:05 nvo Thanks so much guys - at least the -x patches the problem for now!
04:05 wizzyrea would be cool if he'd answer with a random one if you said "wahanui is so random"
04:06 wizzyrea or anytime he sees the word "random" *giggles madly*
04:08 wizzyrea I haven't looked at g+ in a while :/
04:09 nvo As thanks: @random - Your middle fingernail grows the fastest. Did you know that longer the finger, the faster it’s nail will grow. For the same reason, the fingernails grow about four times as fast as toenails.
04:14 eythian wahanui: nvo is maybe a bot, too.
04:14 wahanui OK, eythian.
04:15 eythian wahanui: germs
04:15 wahanui somebody said germs was
04:15 eythian wahanui: germs
04:15 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
04:15 nvo nope - not a bot :-) Just a very thankful and happy koha user :-)
04:19 eythian monkey?
04:19 wahanui rumour has it monkey is
04:19 eythian teehee
04:22 * dcook always finds it interesting when people use light year to refer to time rather than distance...
04:23 eythian also parsecs.
04:23 eythian MONKEY!
04:23 eythian aww
04:24 eythian wahanui: you let me down :(
04:24 wahanui eythian: sorry...
04:24 cjh monkey
04:24 dcook hehe
04:27 wizzyrea monkey?
04:27 wahanui somebody said monkey was
04:29 eythian <-- oh hey, the quote from Star Wars is actually not gibberish after all. Either that, or they're _really_ good at retconning.
04:32 dcook Hmm. I'm going with the latter :p
04:33 * jcamins agrees with dcook.
04:35 * dcook also finds it "interesting" how LoC has RDA records but doesn't seem to display or index the added RDA fields.
04:35 dcook If only they would tell everyone not to bother with it...
04:35 dcook Not that I want to get into "that" discussion. Just venting :p
04:37 jcamins Yay! My bookmarks work-ish!
04:37 * jcamins finishes on a high note and heads to bed.
04:38 dcook night, jcamins
04:39 dcook Oh ho ho!
04:40 dcook LoC does show RDA tags on the full record view. Just not the brief..
04:40 * dcook sighs
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06:15 vkm hello all
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06:16 vkm1 Unicode flavour is necessary if we want to enter data in Indian languages?
06:17 wizzyrea you mean unimarc?
06:19 * wizzyrea is not an encoding specialist, but it shouldn't matter which marc flavour you use, only which character encoding, and the two (as I understand it) aren't necessarily related.
06:19 wizzyrea someone else can correct me if I'm wrong about that
06:23 cjh wizzyrea++
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06:25 mib_csz7xb Unicode flavour is necessary if we want to enter data in Indian languages?
06:25 wahanui i already had it that way, mib_csz7xb.
06:26 mib_csz7xb what is basic difference between MARC flavour and Unicode
06:26 wizzyrea they aren't related, as far as I know
06:27 * wizzyrea is not an encoding specialist, but it shouldn't matter which marc flavour you use, only which character encoding, and the two (as I understand it) aren't necessarily related.
06:27 mib_csz7xb when to use Marc and Unicode
06:27 wizzyrea unicode is a character encoding, unimarc is a marc standard
06:27 wizzyrea (unimarc is usually used in France/Europe)
06:27 wizzyrea (most places just use MARC21)
06:30 mib_csz7xb means i can use Marc21 for mine indian languages also like Hindi etc[…]0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE+
06:31 wizzyrea yes, any flavour of marc works with unicode.
06:31 wizzyrea they are unrelated, afaik
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06:40 mib_csz7xb is there anyway for feeding data in regional languages while cataloguing like we use google transliteration in OPAC
06:42 wizzyrea I don't have an answer to that question - you might have better luck with that on the list
06:42 wizzyrea mailing lists?
06:42 wahanui mailing lists are at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
06:42 cait good morning #koha
06:42 wizzyrea hi cait :)
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07:08 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:08 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -3.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 04, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
07:17 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
07:17 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on March 04, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
07:17 wizzyrea so funny how it gets cool so fast here.
07:18 cait -3! :)
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07:38 marcelr hi #koha
07:39 cait hi marcelr
07:40 rangi hi marcelr
07:40 marcelr hi cait rangi
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07:46 reiveune hello
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07:49 gaetan_B hello
07:50 gaetan_B alles gute zum geburtstag cait !
07:50 cait gaetan_B: thank you :)
07:50 cait was on saturday :)
07:50 cait bbl!
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07:55 jajm hello
07:55 wahanui hola, jajm
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08:26 christophe_c hello #koha
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08:40 kf hey Koha
08:51 slef hi kf
08:52 kf hi slef
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09:36 wizzyrea mornin europe
09:37 kf morning wizzyrea
09:37 kf didn't you plan an early night? :)
09:37 wizzyrea it's stiill kinda sorta early
09:37 * wizzyrea is going soon
09:40 kf that's what I always say too...
09:43 kf Joubu++ #bug 5343
09:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5343 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Subscription cost (Link serial and acqui modules)
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12:55 Herwig I started a staged import 2 hours ago still at 0 % how do i know he still is importing ?
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13:03 oleonard Oh good, it's still kf's birthday? Then I'm not too late to say Happy Birthday kf!
13:04 tcohen yeah, happy birthday+2 kf
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13:28 kf oleonard: quite a long birthday yes :)
13:28 kf oleonard: was saturday - thank you :)
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13:34 Herwig happy birthd :)
13:34 kf thx Herwig
13:34 kf Herwig: how big was the file you were staging?
13:41 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software Next general IRC meeting 13 March 2013 at 18:00 UTC
13:42 * oleonard clears away the rest of the birthday cake
13:42 kf oooh
13:42 kf :)
13:43 kf hm looks like we still need an RM?
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13:44 oleonard 18 UTC is a terrible time to include Marseille Hackfest people who are going to be out wandering the city in search of dinner at that time
13:45 kf hm that's a week to early
13:45 kf oleonard: marseille is the week after
13:45 kf but I will be at library conf... so no guarantee I will be around
13:45 oleonard Oh you're right
13:45 kf but not totally unlikely... with smartphone, tablet and co :)
13:48 Herwig sorry ehm about 40000 records
13:48 kf hm
13:48 kf that might be too big for staged import, but not sure
13:48 Herwig i had one like that before
13:48 kf but it would certainly take a longer while
13:48 Herwig did work
13:49 kf cool
13:49 Herwig the old one not the new one lol
13:49 kf maybe just wait then, I think the process bar was broken for a while
13:49 Herwig ok
13:49 Herwig got a backup made before i started :OP
13:49 * kf wonders if drofj is at the inetbib conf
13:49 kf Herwig: always a good plan :)
13:50 kf there is also the option to do staged marc import from the command line
13:50 kf we use that a lot
13:50 Herwig how ?
13:50 kf there are scripts in... misc
13:50 kf somewhere
13:50 kf there is one for stage and one for committing the import
13:50 kf we use that a lot for our nightly imports from the union catalog
13:50 kf it shows up normally in the interface later and you can undo and all that
13:51 Herwig searching it
13:53 kf sorry, I got no time to find them for you right now - but quite sure it's misc and somewhere there
13:53 Herwig np i'm searching
13:58 Herwig this one ?
14:03 kf that works too - but I meant something else
14:03 kf one moment
14:04 kf[…]55f905bd59afc82ce
14:04 kf
14:04 kf
14:05 Herwig ok
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14:39 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software Next general IRC meeting 13 March 2013 at 18:00 UTC
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15:28 saa in koha 3.10.3 though budget/funds are defined it gives a message "You can't create any orders unless you first define a budget and a fund" can some one help to sort this error
15:33 kf saa: make sure the funds are accessible for the library you are logged in at
15:34 saa yes it is accessible
15:35 saa is there a bug in 3.10.3
15:35 saa i just found this http://koha-patches.988968.n3.[…]rt-td3449193.html
15:39 oleonard saa: That bug is marked as fixed since version 3.6, so it seems more likely it is another issue
15:40 jcamins saa: you need to log in as a real user.
15:40 jcamins Not the database user.
15:46 saa tried again from scrath but still getting a message "You can't create any orders unless you first define a budget and a fund".
15:46 saa though have created fund, budget
15:47 jcamins What user are you logged in as?
15:47 saa kohaadmin
15:47 wahanui somebody said kohaadmin was the db user
15:48 oleonard saa: You must not use the 'kohaadmin' user for regular use. Create a patron and give it superlibrarian privileges. Use that account to administer Koha
15:49 oleonard Doesn't Koha 3.10.3 have a big alert about that?
15:51 jcamins It does, yes.
15:51 kf saa: also delete the funds and budgets you created with it.
15:51 kf it's safer
15:51 saa ok solved
15:52 tcohen great!
15:52 saa i needed to create a user account and then continue
15:52 saa earlier versions it was nt the case
15:53 kf it was always in the manual
15:53 kf only some modules are more likely to fail when you don't follow that advice than others
15:56 saa hmm
15:59 oleonard saa: When you first logged in, did you see a big yellow message that said "Warning: You're logged in with the database administrator account. This a bad idea, and you are likely to encounter problems." ?
16:00 saa oh yes i saw
16:01 saa but i ignored that and thought let me check all modules with kohaadmin account
16:02 oleonard saa: I would advise you to obey all warnings in the future. They are there for a reason.
16:02 * kf nods
16:02 saa yes
16:08 tcohen do the svc REST API manage patrons?
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16:08 kf tcohen: I think it's more about cataloguing
16:08 kf right now
16:08 wahanui rumour has it right now is testing just somebody seeing if it works
16:08 jcamins tcohen: I think you just volunteered to implement that. :P
16:10 tcohen :-P
16:10 tcohen always the same with u guuuuuys
16:12 tcohen ?
16:12 jcamins tcohen: ?
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16:13 tcohen RESTfull framework for perl?
16:13 jcamins Ah.
16:15 jcamins tcohen: it would be better to find one that works with Plack... it looks like that requires another server to be running.
16:17 tcohen jcamins, what is Plack exactly?
16:17 jcamins tcohen: I don't know, exactly.
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16:17 tcohen looks like an application server
16:17 jcamins It's a fastcgi/server-like thing.
16:17 tcohen for Perl
16:18 tcohen which can be used with Apache as a front-end
16:18 jcamins Right.
16:18 jcamins Or nginx, which is what I use.
16:18 tcohen Squatting has Plack support
16:18 kf oleonard: I was wondering... I filed 2 bugs tis mornign while looking at bootstrap things
16:18 tcohen through PSGI
16:18 kf oleonard: and not sure if one of my bugs is not a bug
16:18 jcamins tcohen: oh, okay.
16:18 kf oleonard: and maybe if it falls in your area of expertise
16:18 jcamins I don't suppose it's packaged for Debian?
16:19 oleonard kf: I saw the one about the search box on the add item screen
16:19 kf ah
16:19 kf that was the one - was that on purpose? I was not sure thinking about it later
16:20 oleonard It was designed that way originally. The add biblio and add item screens were meant to be more "focused" than others
16:20 kf aah ok
16:20 oleonard I'm not sure it's really useful
16:20 kf no problem with that
16:20 kf hm
16:20 kf it looked wrong at first glance... later I had the thought it might have been on purpose
16:21 kf feel free to close with a "it's by design" :)
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16:49 tcohen jcamins, found a simpler one, dancer
16:49 tcohen which happens to be packaged in 12.04
16:55 jcamins tcohen: rangi used dancer for the dashboard.
16:55 tcohen is it possible to run it under CGI?
16:55 jcamins I don't know.
16:55 tcohen np
16:55 jcamins That was about all I knew about Dancer.
16:55 jcamins :P
16:55 tcohen heh
16:56 tcohen i'll let u know what i get with my experiment
16:56 tcohen looks like implementing the REST patrons webservice is kind-of trivial with dancer
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17:27 tcohen @later tell druthb I need to ask u smth about Dancer
17:27 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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18:12 bgallagher Hello
18:12 wahanui hey, bgallagher
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19:00 tcohen we should rewrite Koha using Mojolicious
19:00 tcohen :-P
19:00 jcamins tcohen: one thing at a time.
19:01 tcohen and this time i'm not volunteering :-P
19:02 tcohen i knew i should have finished reading modern perl a while ago
19:03 libsysguy mojo is a sticky trap
19:04 libsysguy imho
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19:05 tcohen once u stick with a framework of this size, is not easy to leave it
19:05 jcamins tcohen: not if your code is good.
19:06 jcamins If your code is good, frameworks are interchangeable.
19:06 tcohen so, we first have a fully OO set of libs
19:07 tcohen bye #koha, see u tomorrow
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19:15 libsysguy yes, perhaps Moo objects would be helpful
19:15 libsysguy that way when you move to persistence you can use Moose without an issue
19:15 libsysguy well…too much of an issue
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19:37 kathryn morning! :)
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20:00 * magnuse likes dancer
20:01 libsysguy I think there are pros and cons to all of them
20:01 libsysguy dancer is so lightweight and easy to prototype stuff
20:02 magnuse yup
20:02 libsysguy mojo has the ability to be light but also robust, the issue is, everything is written from scratch.  Which can be good…but also very bad
20:02 magnuse hehe
20:02 libsysguy and catalyst is a monster, lots of moving parts
20:02 magnuse yeah, it seems way too big and difficult to get an overview of
20:02 libsysguy the deps for catalyst are around 80M iirc
20:03 libsysguy I'm working on an app in it. The nice thing about it is almost anything you need is already built
20:03 libsysguy the bad thing is the dependency radius
20:04 libsysguy people complain about it using Moose but I actually advocate for Moose if you are using persistence
20:06 * magnuse is building an ebook lending thingy in dancer
20:06 bgallagher Cool
20:10 magnuse :-)
20:11 magnuse two weeks and the first day of the hackfest will be over
20:11 bgallagher Ha
20:12 cait magnuse: that's drepessing
20:12 cait i mean, that it will be over :)
20:12 magnuse just the first day - there will be 4 - four - more! :-)
20:14 bgallagher Yay!
20:14 cait btw
20:14 cait bgallagher: when wil you arrive on sunday?
20:16 bgallagher I am not sure yet cait I have not got train tickets
20:16 cait oh ok
20:17 cait will libsysguy get replaced? ;)
20:17 cait I mean bringing someone else to marseille?
20:18 bgallagher Not at this time
20:19 * oleonard volunteers!
20:19 magnuse yay
20:19 oleonard ;)
20:19 rangi dancer is awesome
20:24 * magnuse agrees with rangi
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20:29 rangi magnuse: are you going to the open source days in denmark?
20:29 rangi francois is going :)
20:29 magnuse rangi: nope, and i must confess i have not heard about them either...
20:29 rangi ahh
20:30 magnuse is he talking or just attending?
20:30 magnuse ah
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20:31 rangi not sure ill ask
20:31 * magnuse does not travel much these days...
20:31 rangi yep :) kids will do that :)
20:31 magnuse :-)
20:31 magnuse yeah, looks like he is speaking:
20:31 rangi cool
20:31 magnuse his speach at kohacon10 was awesome!
20:32 rangi it was
20:32 magnuse ooh, what would have been super cool was to invite him to norway and do that speach to norwegian librarians, when he is in the vicinity
20:32 magnuse but, too late now
20:33 rangi he flies tomorrow
20:33 magnuse looong trip...
20:34 rangi yeah
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20:35 * magnuse waves to wizzyrea
20:35 * indradg waves to wizzyrea
20:35 rangi next time maybe :)
20:35 magnuse rangi: yup!
20:36 magnuse oh well, time to go. have fun #koha
20:36 rangi cya later magnuse
20:36 * wizzyrea waves
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21:06 * cait waves at wizzyrea
21:08 wizzyrea quiet again today
21:11 * cait gives wizzyrea a cookie
21:14 wizzyrea i like cookies - not sure I've done anything to deserve it though :)
21:14 cait wizzyrea: well.....
21:14 cait wizzyrea: I am quite sure you have
21:14 wizzyrea besides being charming
21:14 wizzyrea >.>
21:14 wizzyrea be wizzyrea
21:14 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
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21:25 indradg hi folks! anyone here has integrated / hooked up a GSM modem / compatible phone to send out SMSes
21:26 jcamins indradg: there was support for SMSes using SMS::Send drivers.
21:26 jcamins But that's all I know about it.
21:26 cait there is a patch sending by email to phones... or something in bugzilla too I think
21:26 indradg jcamins, SMS::Send drivers are for sms service providers.... not my use-case :)
21:27 indradg cait checking
21:27 jcamins indradg: then not to my knowledge.
21:27 indradg cait,[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9021 ?
21:28 huginn Bug 9021: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add SMS via email as an alternative to SMS services via SMS::Send drivers
21:28 cait yep, that was the one I was thinking about
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22:33 gmcharlt @quote random
22:33 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #143: "rhcl: Blame the C coders; if it was written in Ada it would have exception handling." (added by wizzyrea at 09:51 PM, June 28, 2011)
22:34 jcamins gmcharlt: if you have a chance to look at bug 8620, I'd be interested to know if my patch solves it the same way you would.
22:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8620 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Barcode searching not working correctly
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22:38 gmcharlt jcamins: hmm.  my eyeballs have no problem with your patch, but my nose smells too much unexplained voodoo ;)
22:39 jcamins Heh.
22:39 jcamins I was just using the same magical templating that you used. :P
22:40 gmcharlt heh
22:40 * gmcharlt does some testing
22:43 gmcharlt jcamins: well, search on item-barcode-as-keyword WFM
22:44 cait wfm?
22:44 jcamins gmcharlt: oh, yeah, the patch works, I just wanted to know what you thought of it. :)
22:44 gmcharlt cait: works for me
22:44 cait oh right -thx :)
22:44 gmcharlt jcamins: what I'm saying is I can't reproduce the bug
22:44 jcamins Oh, neither can I.
22:45 jcamins If you use XML indexing, it doesn't happen.
22:45 jcamins Or, rather, it happens less.
22:46 cait hm I didn't use -x, I have icu and dom... and I have weird gemran records (I guess)
22:46 cait neither callnumber nor barcode worked for me before patch
22:46 jcamins cait: yeah, had you used -x, it probably would have started working.
22:46 cait tricky.
22:47 gmcharlt jcamins: well, that narrows it down
22:47 * gmcharlt adds note to the bug
22:47 wizzyrea cait, I'm about to submit a patch for bug 9745
22:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9745 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Don't nuke translated permissions with changes introduced in bug 9382
22:47 cait yay :)
22:47 wizzyrea would you mind testing that?
22:48 cait nope, but not tonight
22:48 wizzyrea because I don't know how many people translate their sysprefs.
22:48 cait time to sleep :)
22:48 wizzyrea right, when you have a minute - the patch isn't there yet anyway
22:48 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah, the idea behind my patch was that it greatly reduces the number of nodes that match the Any query.
22:48 jcamins Template.
22:48 wahanui template is a copy from output
22:48 jcamins Whatever.
22:49 gmcharlt jcamins: yeah, but that doesn't account for why -x makes a difference; the end result should be the same, but isn't
22:49 jcamins gmcharlt: I presume we were hitting the MARC binary limit.
22:50 gmcharlt jcamins: that shouldn't be relevant; the record I'm testing with certainly isn't anywhere near the limit
22:50 jcamins I hate to imagine why the indexes are stuck into binary MARC, but that seems the most likely explanation.
22:50 gmcharlt jcamins: frankly, I'm dubious.  I still smell too much voodoo
22:51 jcamins This is the result without -x:
22:52 jcamins Any only reaches token 62.
22:52 jcamins With -x, it only cuts out around token 200.
22:52 jcamins But it still cuts out at some point.
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22:53 jcamins If you have a large enough record.
22:54 jcamins I changed it to match only text nodes since that's how you had done it with authorities.
22:55 jcamins (instead of subfield or even field)
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23:05 cait gmcharlt, jcamins - hope you 2 canfiugre out something - i am going to sleep :)
23:25 rangi[…]tography-4057.jpg
23:25 rangi can't beat wellington on an orca day
23:26 rangi[…]-right-place.html
23:29 jcamins You want to know why libraries are in trouble?
23:29 jcamins I'll tell you why.
23:29 jcamins I just got back from returning four books to the library.
23:30 jcamins They have these fancy new automatic return machines, which are pretty cool.
23:30 jcamins However, they also have a circulation desk, which is good because one of the books I was returning had had many pages torn out.
23:30 jcamins So I went up to the desk, gave the circulation clerk the book, and said "many of the pages in this book were torn out. Can I request the other copy."
23:31 jcamins Reasonable, right?
23:31 jcamins Absolutely.
23:31 jcamins Well, it turns out that despite there being a circulation desk staffed by two people, the circulation clerks cannot place holds on books.
23:31 jcamins So I was referred to the reference librarian.
23:31 pastebot "gmcharlt" at pasted "OK, now I see what's going on" (1 line) at
23:31 jcamins Of which there was one.
23:31 gmcharlt jcamins: ^^
23:32 jcamins She had five people waiting for her.
23:32 jcamins And me.
23:32 jcamins I will wait until this book is available used for $1.
23:32 jcamins gmcharlt: ah-ha!
23:32 gmcharlt jcamins: upshot, I like your patch, but I'm going to sign off on it with a somewhat different commit message :)
23:32 jcamins gmcharlt: that's fine with me.
23:33 jcamins I was guessing what the problem was based on the comparison of two zebra::index results, one from a working system, one from a non-working system.
23:33 gmcharlt jcamins: if (say) MARC::File::XML serialized without spaces between the <subfield> elements, this would have become apparent much earlier
23:35 jcamins Heh. The workaround was dependent on human-readable XML.
23:35 jcamins I find that amusing.
23:37 rangi jcamins: yes, that is a great illustration of doing things wrong, why on earth would you hve a circ desk that can't place holds
23:38 jcamins rangi: entertainment purposes, I suppose.
23:39 rangi :)
23:39 jcamins Put in a hidden camera, see how many people go postal when they learn that the 2-3 people sitting at the desk with no line don't do anything, and there is only one person who does anything, and she has a line of 5 people waiting to talk to her.
23:40 rangi heh
23:41 gmcharlt jcamins: OK, I've signed off on the patch with a commit message that makes more sense to me; hopefully it will for others
23:41 jcamins Thanks.
23:42 gmcharlt VOODOO BE GONE!!!1!!!!
23:42 * jcamins is all for that.
23:42 jcamins Though I have to say... it's kind of disturbing to me that my patch was exactly right despite my being 100% wrong about what the problem was.
23:42 jcamins I think this means I spend too much time working with Zebra.
23:49 rangi lol
23:49 rangi must .. not .. reply ...
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23:59 eythian haha
23:59 wizzyrea ...

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