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03:18 wizzyrea wow that was the slowest IRC day ever
03:19 rangi heh
03:19 wizzyrea probably typical for a monday
03:19 rangi yup
03:21 eythian wahanui: monkey is http://youtu.be/VTO5yiN1b-I
03:21 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:27 * ibeardslee throws some P into the channel to speed it up
03:28 nvo Hello - just jumped on to ask a question if possible re: searching inconsistencies we're experiencing...
03:28 nvo Not sure what the time is for everyone - it's just after 11am here :-)
03:28 wizzyrea anytime is the right time ;)
03:28 nvo :-D Fantastic
03:28 nvo We upgraded to 3.10.1 a few weeks back - loving the new version
03:29 nvo But there's a weird issue with searching
03:29 nvo it seems like the more precise one is with one's search query, the less likely one is to get results.
03:29 nvo For example, searching for "five views" ( http://library.pbc.wa.edu.au/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=five+views ) returns 4 results, including one for the book title "five views on sanctification". However, searching for "five views sanctification" ( http://library.pbc.wa.edu.au/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=five+views+sanctifcation ) returns a no r
03:30 nvo ...a no results found page. Similar issues occur when searching on part of a title and author.
03:30 nvo Very confused about this!
03:31 jcamins My initial response is that the problem is the typo.
03:31 nvo :-)
03:31 nvo My fault that - but this is a problem that's been tried and tried with numerous examples by our librarians.
03:31 jcamins However, as it's taking me ages to load the pages, I can't actually confirm.
03:31 jcamins Whoah!
03:31 jcamins Nice catalog!
03:32 nvo Typo fixed: http://library.pbc.wa.edu.au/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=Five+views+sanctification
03:32 nvo :-) Thanks!
03:32 nvo Yeah - we're on quite a slow connection here :-( Fastest available, unfortuantely
03:33 jcamins What are your sysprefs set to in the Search page?
03:33 jcamins I especially like the buttons.
03:33 jcamins Very tasteful, for something that bold.
03:34 nvo :-) Been slowly migrating to FontAwesome for the icons - makes it look a bit better ;-P
03:34 nvo Checing the sysprefs now
03:34 jcamins Whoah! That's exactly what I needed!
03:35 nvo :-)
03:35 jcamins (Font Awesome)
03:35 nvo Very cool, it is
03:36 nvo Any particular syspref?
03:36 nvo under searching, that is?
03:36 cjh that is a really pretty catalog, the blue is so awesome.
03:36 jcamins There are three Query... sysprefs.
03:37 jcamins I'm not actually working on Koha at the moment, so I don't have it open to check.
03:37 nvo QueryAutoTruncate - only if * is added
03:38 nvo QueryFuzzy and QuerryStemming : don't try
03:38 nvo QueryWeightFields : enable
03:38 jcamins Okay, all of those sound right.
03:39 jcamins But try disabling QueryWeightFields for a test.
03:40 nvo nope - doesn't seem to make a difference
03:40 nvo wait - actually it does
03:40 jcamins Odd.
03:40 nvo now, the search on "Five views" brings up just 2 results, whereas before it brought up 4
03:41 jcamins *Disabling* QueryWeightFields?
03:41 nvo Yep.
03:41 jcamins ...
03:41 nvo Just re-enabled it, and searched again - 4 records found
03:42 jcamins That is very weird.
03:42 jcamins But at least we know what the problem is.
03:42 wizzyrea is it actually quoted?
03:42 nvo disabled again, 2 found
03:42 nvo as in "Five views" ? no
03:42 wizzyrea k just curious
03:42 jcamins wizzyrea: no, this is another site where the "any" index does not exist.
03:42 jcamins How that is possible I do not know.
03:43 nvo Is it possible to add the "any" index in?
03:44 jcamins nvo: unfortunately, I don't even know how it's possible to not have it... the last time I patched DOM indexing, it worked.
03:44 * wizzyrea wonders if this site has a support vendor
03:44 nvo hmmmm... strange
03:44 wizzyrea and if they installed a specific version
03:44 nvo and no, don't have a support vendor, unfortunately
03:45 nvo we were running on 3.4 until recently - working fine until the upgrade to 3.10
03:45 wizzyrea what version did you install when you first installed koha
03:45 nvo could it be that that caused it
03:45 jcamins nvo: how di you upgrade?
03:45 wizzyrea oh hm
03:45 nvo Started off with 3.2
03:45 jcamins *did
03:45 nvo then upgraded to 3.4 (I think)
03:45 nvo then 3.10.1
03:45 nvo upgraded using the perl method
03:46 jcamins So you ran Makefile.PL, followed by make, followed by make install?
03:46 nvo That's right
03:46 wahanui I know.
03:46 jcamins And when running Makefile.PL you just hit enter ~5 times, accepting all the defaults, right?
03:46 wizzyrea jcamins: you have seen this before?
03:46 jcamins wizzyrea: never.
03:46 jcamins But PTFS-Europe keeps on submitting dubious patches to fix this issue for one field at a time.
03:46 jcamins Well, two patches.
03:47 nvo pointed it to the settongs saved at the initial install
03:47 jcamins nvo: right, but it should have asked an additional three questions?
03:47 nvo But yeah - just accepted the defaults for everything it asked
03:47 jcamins And then you did a full reindex?
03:47 nvo Yep
03:48 jcamins Did you use -x?
03:48 nvo Actually, I've done that a couple of times since as well - grasping at straws!
03:48 nvo Nope, didn't try -x
03:48 nvo shall I try that now?
03:48 jcamins I'd like to know if that fixes the problem.
03:49 jcamins I'm not sure if I expect it to or not, but it's definitely worth a try.
03:49 nvo Running a re-index now
03:49 nvo [Will take a few minutes! :-)]
03:49 eythian nvo: are you going to that library conference thing in Perth later this week?
03:50 nvo Library conference thing in Perth later this week?? Haven't heard about it! ???
03:50 eythian hmm, let me see if I can find something
03:50 wizzyrea PLWA?
03:51 eythian http://www.publiclibrarieswa.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21:plwa-conference-2013&catid=4:latest-events&Itemid=8 <-- yeah this
03:51 wizzyrea https://plwa.wordpress.com/
03:51 eythian though perhaps not so relevant
03:51 eythian being public specifically)
03:51 nvo Looks interesting though....
03:51 nvo Might pass it on to our library staff to see if they might be interested
03:51 wizzyrea what kind of library are you running?
03:52 nvo It's a theological college / seminary library. So, tertiary education library
03:52 nvo Quite small - just over 20 000 records
03:52 wizzyrea cool
03:52 wizzyrea oh then it'll be done indexing in more-or-less a snap :)
03:53 nvo Done the export stage, reindexing now!
03:53 jcamins Yeah, see, I have a well-populated any index.
03:54 jcamins Wait...
03:54 jcamins I just had an idea.
03:54 jcamins It's an insane idea.
03:54 nvo I like insane ideas....
03:54 * jcamins tries something silly.
03:55 jcamins Or, I will once it finishes reindexing.
03:56 wizzyrea it's jcamins and his carayzeeeee ideas
03:57 jcamins wizzyrea: no, really... this one is nuts.
03:57 wizzyrea are you going to share?
03:57 jcamins I am preparing to blame the problem on a capitalization issue in upgraded configuration files.
03:57 wizzyrea !
03:57 jcamins We'll see if I'm right.
03:57 wizzyrea that's nowhere near crazy
03:58 nvo welll - this is strange
03:58 wizzyrea it's kind of brilliant
03:58 nvo the reindex just finished
03:58 nvo and now the search results are working a bit better
03:58 nvo As in, they're working....
03:58 jcamins ... or maybe it's just that we should always reindex with XML.
03:58 nvo somehow, the -x did something
03:58 nvo (I know, XML :-) )
03:59 wizzyrea :)
03:59 jcamins Actually, though, I suspect a problem with the capitalization anyway.
03:59 nvo any way to check that?
03:59 wizzyrea well it could be that there's a capitalisation issue that stops it working without -x?
04:00 jcamins wizzyrea: that's what I'm thinking.
04:01 * jcamins curses Facebook.
04:02 wizzyrea curses it?
04:02 eythian everyone who's anyone is on google plus these days anyway.
04:02 wizzyrea kek.
04:02 wizzyrea it's true
04:02 wahanui I read it on the internet!
04:02 jcamins Oh, looks like kf has the same problem.
04:02 eythian wahanui: google plus is at https://plus.google.com/communities/108301839510288716136
04:02 wahanui OK, eythian.
04:03 jcamins If I remember, I'll tell her to try my capitalization test.
04:03 jcamins Or I could just ask her for the results of zebra::index
04:04 eythian wahanui: @random
04:04 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you...
04:04 eythian wahanui: random
04:04 wahanui eythian: sorry...
04:04 eythian hmm
04:04 eythian needs a plugin to just spit out a random factoid.
04:05 nvo Thanks so much guys - at least the -x patches the problem for now!
04:05 wizzyrea would be cool if he'd answer with a random one if you said "wahanui is so random"
04:06 wizzyrea or anytime he sees the word "random" *giggles madly*
04:08 wizzyrea I haven't looked at g+ in a while :/
04:09 nvo As thanks: @random - Your middle fingernail grows the fastest. Did you know that longer the finger, the faster itâ€™s nail will grow. For the same reason, the fingernails grow about four times as fast as toenails.
04:14 eythian wahanui: nvo is maybe a bot, too.
04:14 wahanui OK, eythian.
04:15 eythian wahanui: germs
04:15 wahanui somebody said germs was http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
04:15 eythian wahanui: germs
04:15 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
04:15 nvo nope - not a bot :-) Just a very thankful and happy koha user :-)
04:19 eythian monkey?
04:19 wahanui rumour has it monkey is http://youtu.be/VTO5yiN1b-I
04:19 eythian teehee
04:22 * dcook always finds it interesting when people use light year to refer to time rather than distance...
04:23 eythian also parsecs.
04:23 eythian MONKEY!
04:23 eythian aww
04:24 eythian wahanui: you let me down :(
04:24 wahanui eythian: sorry...
04:24 cjh monkey
04:24 dcook hehe
04:27 wizzyrea monkey?
04:27 wahanui somebody said monkey was http://youtu.be/VTO5yiN1b-I
04:29 eythian http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run <-- oh hey, the quote from Star Wars is actually not gibberish after all. Either that, or they're _really_ good at retconning.
04:32 dcook Hmm. I'm going with the latter :p
04:33 * jcamins agrees with dcook.
04:35 * dcook also finds it "interesting" how LoC has RDA records but doesn't seem to display or index the added RDA fields.
04:35 dcook If only they would tell everyone not to bother with it...
04:35 dcook Not that I want to get into "that" discussion. Just venting :p
04:37 jcamins Yay! My bookmarks work-ish!
04:37 * jcamins finishes on a high note and heads to bed.
04:38 dcook night, jcamins
04:39 dcook Oh ho ho!
04:40 dcook LoC does show RDA tags on the full record view. Just not the brief..
04:40 * dcook sighs
06:15 vkm hello all
06:16 vkm1 Unicode flavour is necessary if we want to enter data in Indian languages?
06:17 wizzyrea you mean unimarc?
06:19 * wizzyrea is not an encoding specialist, but it shouldn't matter which marc flavour you use, only which character encoding, and the two (as I understand it) aren't necessarily related.
06:19 wizzyrea someone else can correct me if I'm wrong about that
06:23 cjh wizzyrea++
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06:25 mib_csz7xb Unicode flavour is necessary if we want to enter data in Indian languages?
06:25 wahanui i already had it that way, mib_csz7xb.
06:26 mib_csz7xb what is basic difference between MARC flavour and Unicode
06:26 wizzyrea they aren't related, as far as I know
06:27 * wizzyrea is not an encoding specialist, but it shouldn't matter which marc flavour you use, only which character encoding, and the two (as I understand it) aren't necessarily related.
06:27 mib_csz7xb when to use Marc and Unicode
06:27 wizzyrea unicode is a character encoding, unimarc is a marc standard
06:27 wizzyrea (unimarc is usually used in France/Europe)
06:27 wizzyrea (most places just use MARC21)
06:30 mib_csz7xb means i can use Marc21 for mine indian languages also like Hindi etc http://libcat.mysore-univ.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=ti&q=%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE+
06:31 wizzyrea yes, any flavour of marc works with unicode.
06:31 wizzyrea they are unrelated, afaik
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06:40 mib_csz7xb is there anyway for feeding data in regional languages while cataloguing like we use google transliteration in OPAC
06:42 wizzyrea I don't have an answer to that question - you might have better luck with that on the list
06:42 wizzyrea mailing lists?
06:42 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
06:42 cait good morning #koha
06:42 wizzyrea hi cait :)
07:08 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:08 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -3.0Â°C (8:00 AM CET on March 04, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -3.0Â°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
07:17 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
07:17 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0Â°C (8:00 PM NZDT on March 04, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
07:17 wizzyrea so funny how it gets cool so fast here.
07:18 cait -3! :)
07:38 marcelr hi #koha
07:39 cait hi marcelr
07:40 rangi hi marcelr
07:40 marcelr hi cait rangi
07:46 reiveune hello
07:49 gaetan_B hello
07:50 gaetan_B alles gute zum geburtstag cait !
07:50 cait gaetan_B: thank you :)
07:50 cait was on saturday :)
07:50 cait bbl!
07:55 jajm hello
07:55 wahanui hola, jajm
08:26 christophe_c hello #koha
08:40 kf hey Koha
08:51 slef hi kf
08:52 kf hi slef
09:36 wizzyrea mornin europe
09:37 kf morning wizzyrea
09:37 kf didn't you plan an early night? :)
09:37 wizzyrea it's stiill kinda sorta early
09:37 * wizzyrea is going soon
09:40 kf that's what I always say too...
09:43 kf Joubu++ #bug 5343
09:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5343 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Subscription cost (Link serial and acqui modules)
12:55 Herwig I started a staged import 2 hours ago still at 0 % how do i know he still is importing ?
13:03 oleonard Oh good, it's still kf's birthday? Then I'm not too late to say Happy Birthday kf!
13:04 tcohen yeah, happy birthday+2 kf
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13:28 kf oleonard: quite a long birthday yes :)
13:28 kf oleonard: was saturday - thank you :)
13:34 Herwig happy birthd :)
13:34 kf thx Herwig
13:34 kf Herwig: how big was the file you were staging?
13:42 * oleonard clears away the rest of the birthday cake
13:42 kf oooh
13:42 kf :)
13:43 kf hm looks like we still need an RM?
13:44 oleonard 18 UTC is a terrible time to include Marseille Hackfest people who are going to be out wandering the city in search of dinner at that time
13:45 kf hm that's a week to early
13:45 kf oleonard: marseille is the week after
13:45 kf but I will be at library conf... so no guarantee I will be around
13:45 oleonard Oh you're right
13:45 kf but not totally unlikely... with smartphone, tablet and co :)
13:48 Herwig sorry ehm about 40000 records
13:48 kf hm
13:48 kf that might be too big for staged import, but not sure
13:48 Herwig i had one like that before
13:48 kf but it would certainly take a longer while
13:48 Herwig did work
13:49 kf cool
13:49 Herwig the old one not the new one lol
13:49 kf maybe just wait then, I think the process bar was broken for a while
13:49 Herwig ok
13:49 Herwig got a backup made before i started :OP
13:49 * kf wonders if drofj is at the inetbib conf
13:49 kf Herwig: always a good plan :)
13:50 kf there is also the option to do staged marc import from the command line
13:50 kf we use that a lot
13:50 Herwig how ?
13:50 kf there are scripts in... misc
13:50 kf somewhere
13:50 kf there is one for stage and one for committing the import
13:50 kf we use that a lot for our nightly imports from the union catalog
13:50 kf it shows up normally in the interface later and you can undo and all that
13:51 Herwig searching it
13:53 kf sorry, I got no time to find them for you right now - but quite sure it's misc and somewhere there
13:53 Herwig np i'm searching
13:58 Herwig bulkmarcimport.pl this one ?
14:03 kf that works too - but I meant something else
14:03 kf one moment
14:04 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/migration_tools;h=dcbc52bc0c568fbbbb88ed7a06e68ef6e0f6226c;hb=1f88190fdd7cfc4eb17406555f905bd59afc82ce
14:04 kf stage_file.pl
14:04 kf commit_file.pl
14:05 Herwig ok
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15:28 saa in koha 3.10.3 though budget/funds are defined it gives a message "You can't create any orders unless you first define a budget and a fund" can some one help to sort this error
15:33 kf saa: make sure the funds are accessible for the library you are logged in at
15:34 saa yes it is accessible
15:35 saa is there a bug in 3.10.3
15:35 saa i just found this http://koha-patches.988968.n3.nabble.com/Koha-patches-PATCH-Bug-6994-Wrong-no-budget-defined-alert-td3449193.html
15:39 oleonard saa: That bug is marked as fixed since version 3.6, so it seems more likely it is another issue
15:40 jcamins saa: you need to log in as a real user.
15:40 jcamins Not the database user.
15:46 saa tried again from scrath but still getting a message "You can't create any orders unless you first define a budget and a fund".
15:46 saa though have created fund, budget
15:47 jcamins What user are you logged in as?
15:47 saa kohaadmin
15:47 wahanui somebody said kohaadmin was the db user
15:48 oleonard saa: You must not use the 'kohaadmin' user for regular use. Create a patron and give it superlibrarian privileges. Use that account to administer Koha
15:49 oleonard Doesn't Koha 3.10.3 have a big alert about that?
15:51 jcamins It does, yes.
15:51 kf saa: also delete the funds and budgets you created with it.
15:51 kf it's safer
15:51 saa ok solved
15:52 tcohen great!
15:52 saa i needed to create a user account and then continue
15:52 saa earlier versions it was nt the case
15:53 kf it was always in the manual
15:53 kf only some modules are more likely to fail when you don't follow that advice than others
15:56 saa hmm
15:59 oleonard saa: When you first logged in, did you see a big yellow message that said "Warning: You're logged in with the database administrator account. This a bad idea, and you are likely to encounter problems." ?
16:00 saa oh yes i saw
16:01 saa but i ignored that and thought let me check all modules with kohaadmin account
16:02 oleonard saa: I would advise you to obey all warnings in the future. They are there for a reason.
16:02 * kf nods
16:02 saa yes
16:08 tcohen do the svc REST API manage patrons?
16:08 reiveune bye
16:08 kf tcohen: I think it's more about cataloguing
16:08 kf right now
16:08 wahanui rumour has it right now is testing just somebody seeing if it works
16:08 jcamins tcohen: I think you just volunteered to implement that. :P
16:10 tcohen :-P
16:10 tcohen always the same with u guuuuuys
16:12 tcohen http://search.cpan.org/dist/Squatting/ ?
16:12 jcamins tcohen: ?
16:13 tcohen RESTfull framework for perl?
16:13 jcamins Ah.
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16:15 jcamins tcohen: it would be better to find one that works with Plack... it looks like that requires another server to be running.
16:17 tcohen jcamins, what is Plack exactly?
16:17 jcamins tcohen: I don't know, exactly.
16:17 tcohen looks like an application server
16:17 jcamins It's a fastcgi/server-like thing.
16:17 tcohen for Perl
16:18 tcohen which can be used with Apache as a front-end
16:18 jcamins Right.
16:18 jcamins Or nginx, which is what I use.
16:18 tcohen Squatting has Plack support
16:18 kf oleonard: I was wondering... I filed 2 bugs tis mornign while looking at bootstrap things
16:18 tcohen through PSGI
16:18 kf oleonard: and not sure if one of my bugs is not a bug
16:18 jcamins tcohen: oh, okay.
16:18 kf oleonard: and maybe if it falls in your area of expertise
16:18 jcamins I don't suppose it's packaged for Debian?
16:19 oleonard kf: I saw the one about the search box on the add item screen
16:19 kf ah
16:19 kf that was the one - was that on purpose? I was not sure thinking about it later
16:20 oleonard It was designed that way originally. The add biblio and add item screens were meant to be more "focused" than others
16:20 kf aah ok
16:20 oleonard I'm not sure it's really useful
16:20 kf no problem with that
16:20 kf hm
16:20 kf it looked wrong at first glance... later I had the thought it might have been on purpose
16:21 kf feel free to close with a "it's by design" :)
16:32 kf bye all
16:49 tcohen jcamins, found a simpler one, dancer
16:49 tcohen which happens to be packaged in 12.04
16:55 jcamins tcohen: rangi used dancer for the dashboard.
16:55 tcohen is it possible to run it under CGI?
16:55 jcamins I don't know.
16:55 tcohen np
16:55 jcamins That was about all I knew about Dancer.
16:55 jcamins :P
16:55 tcohen heh
16:56 tcohen i'll let u know what i get with my experiment
16:56 tcohen looks like implementing the REST patrons webservice is kind-of trivial with dancer
17:27 tcohen @later tell druthb I need to ask u smth about Dancer
17:27 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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18:12 bgallagher Hello
18:12 wahanui hey, bgallagher
19:00 tcohen we should rewrite Koha using Mojolicious
19:00 tcohen :-P
19:00 jcamins tcohen: one thing at a time.
19:01 tcohen and this time i'm not volunteering :-P
19:02 tcohen i knew i should have finished reading modern perl a while ago
19:03 libsysguy mojo is a sticky trap
19:04 libsysguy imho
19:05 tcohen once u stick with a framework of this size, is not easy to leave it
19:05 jcamins tcohen: not if your code is good.
19:06 jcamins If your code is good, frameworks are interchangeable.
19:06 tcohen so, we first have a fully OO set of libs
19:07 tcohen bye #koha, see u tomorrow
19:15 libsysguy yes, perhaps Moo objects would be helpful
19:15 libsysguy that way when you move to persistence you can use Moose without an issue
19:15 libsysguy wellâ€¦too much of an issue
19:37 kathryn morning! :)
20:00 * magnuse likes dancer
20:01 libsysguy I think there are pros and cons to all of them
20:01 libsysguy dancer is so lightweight and easy to prototype stuff
20:02 magnuse yup
20:02 libsysguy mojo has the ability to be light but also robust, the issue is, everything is written from scratch. Which can be goodâ€¦but also very bad
20:02 magnuse hehe
20:02 libsysguy and catalyst is a monster, lots of moving parts
20:02 magnuse yeah, it seems way too big and difficult to get an overview of
20:02 libsysguy the deps for catalyst are around 80M iirc
20:03 libsysguy I'm working on an app in it. The nice thing about it is almost anything you need is already built
20:03 libsysguy the bad thing is the dependency radius
20:04 libsysguy people complain about it using Moose but I actually advocate for Moose if you are using persistence
20:06 * magnuse is building an ebook lending thingy in dancer
20:06 bgallagher Cool
20:10 magnuse :-)
20:11 magnuse two weeks and the first day of the hackfest will be over
20:11 bgallagher Ha
20:12 cait magnuse: that's drepessing
20:12 cait i mean, that it will be over :)
20:12 magnuse just the first day - there will be 4 - four - more! :-)
20:14 bgallagher Yay!
20:14 cait btw
20:14 cait bgallagher: when wil you arrive on sunday?
20:16 bgallagher I am not sure yet cait I have not got train tickets
20:16 cait oh ok
20:17 cait will libsysguy get replaced? ;)
20:17 cait I mean bringing someone else to marseille?
20:18 bgallagher Not at this time
20:19 * oleonard volunteers!
20:19 magnuse yay
20:19 oleonard ;)
20:19 rangi dancer is awesome
20:24 * magnuse agrees with rangi
20:29 rangi magnuse: are you going to the open source days in denmark?
20:29 rangi francois is going :)
20:29 magnuse rangi: nope, and i must confess i have not heard about them either...
20:29 rangi ahh
20:30 magnuse is he talking or just attending?
20:30 magnuse ah http://lanyrd.com/2013/opensourcedays/
20:31 rangi not sure ill ask
20:31 * magnuse does not travel much these days...
20:31 rangi yep :) kids will do that :)
20:31 magnuse :-)
20:31 magnuse yeah, looks like he is speaking: http://lanyrd.com/2013/opensourcedays/speakers/
20:31 rangi cool
20:31 magnuse his speach at kohacon10 was awesome!
20:32 rangi it was
20:32 magnuse ooh, what would have been super cool was to invite him to norway and do that speach to norwegian librarians, when he is in the vicinity
20:32 magnuse but, too late now
20:33 rangi he flies tomorrow
20:33 magnuse looong trip...
20:34 rangi yeah
20:35 * magnuse waves to wizzyrea
20:35 * indradg waves to wizzyrea
20:35 rangi next time maybe :)
20:35 magnuse rangi: yup!
20:36 magnuse oh well, time to go. have fun #koha
20:36 rangi cya later magnuse
20:36 * wizzyrea waves
21:06 * cait waves at wizzyrea
21:08 wizzyrea quiet again today
21:11 * cait gives wizzyrea a cookie
21:14 wizzyrea i like cookies - not sure I've done anything to deserve it though :)
21:14 cait wizzyrea: well.....
21:14 cait wizzyrea: I am quite sure you have
21:14 wizzyrea besides being charming
21:14 wizzyrea >.>
21:14 wizzyrea be wizzyrea
21:14 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
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21:25 indradg hi folks! anyone here has integrated / hooked up a GSM modem / compatible phone to send out SMSes
21:26 jcamins indradg: there was support for SMSes using SMS::Send drivers.
21:26 jcamins But that's all I know about it.
21:26 cait there is a patch sending by email to phones... or something in bugzilla too I think
21:26 indradg jcamins, SMS::Send drivers are for sms service providers.... not my use-case :)
21:27 indradg cait checking
21:27 jcamins indradg: then not to my knowledge.
21:27 indradg cait, http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9021 ?
21:28 huginn 04Bug 9021: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add SMS via email as an alternative to SMS services via SMS::Send drivers
21:28 cait yep, that was the one I was thinking about
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22:33 gmcharlt @quote random
22:33 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #143: "rhcl: Blame the C coders; if it was written in Ada it would have exception handling." (added by wizzyrea at 09:51 PM, June 28, 2011)
22:34 jcamins gmcharlt: if you have a chance to look at bug 8620, I'd be interested to know if my patch solves it the same way you would.
22:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8620 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Barcode searching not working correctly
22:38 gmcharlt jcamins: hmm. my eyeballs have no problem with your patch, but my nose smells too much unexplained voodoo ;)
22:39 jcamins Heh.
22:39 jcamins I was just using the same magical templating that you used. :P
22:40 gmcharlt heh
22:40 * gmcharlt does some testing
22:43 gmcharlt jcamins: well, search on item-barcode-as-keyword WFM
22:44 cait wfm?
22:44 jcamins gmcharlt: oh, yeah, the patch works, I just wanted to know what you thought of it. :)
22:44 gmcharlt cait: works for me
22:44 cait oh right -thx :)
22:44 gmcharlt jcamins: what I'm saying is I can't reproduce the bug
22:44 jcamins Oh, neither can I.
22:45 jcamins If you use XML indexing, it doesn't happen.
22:45 jcamins Or, rather, it happens less.
22:46 cait hm I didn't use -x, I have icu and dom... and I have weird gemran records (I guess)
22:46 cait neither callnumber nor barcode worked for me before patch
22:46 jcamins cait: yeah, had you used -x, it probably would have started working.
22:46 cait tricky.
22:47 gmcharlt jcamins: well, that narrows it down
22:47 * gmcharlt adds note to the bug
22:47 wizzyrea cait, I'm about to submit a patch for bug 9745
22:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9745 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Don't nuke translated permissions with changes introduced in bug 9382
22:47 cait yay :)
22:47 wizzyrea would you mind testing that?
22:48 cait nope, but not tonight
22:48 wizzyrea because I don't know how many people translate their sysprefs.
22:48 cait time to sleep :)
22:48 wizzyrea right, when you have a minute - the patch isn't there yet anyway
22:48 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah, the idea behind my patch was that it greatly reduces the number of nodes that match the Any query.
22:48 jcamins Template.
22:48 wahanui template is a copy from output
22:48 jcamins Whatever.
22:49 gmcharlt jcamins: yeah, but that doesn't account for why -x makes a difference; the end result should be the same, but isn't
22:49 jcamins gmcharlt: I presume we were hitting the MARC binary limit.
22:50 gmcharlt jcamins: that shouldn't be relevant; the record I'm testing with certainly isn't anywhere near the limit
22:50 jcamins I hate to imagine why the indexes are stuck into binary MARC, but that seems the most likely explanation.
22:50 gmcharlt jcamins: frankly, I'm dubious. I still smell too much voodoo
22:51 jcamins This is the result without -x: http://paste.koha-community.org/414
22:52 jcamins Any only reaches token 62.
22:52 jcamins With -x, it only cuts out around token 200.
22:52 jcamins But it still cuts out at some point.
22:53 jcamins If you have a large enough record.
22:54 jcamins I changed it to match only text nodes since that's how you had done it with authorities.
22:55 jcamins (instead of subfield or even field)
23:05 cait gmcharlt, jcamins - hope you 2 canfiugre out something - i am going to sleep :)
23:25 rangi https://lh3.ggpht.com/-eN7dgBGMs5Y/UTUiP83KusI/AAAAAAAABOw/_AbgbNn1I1U/s1600/Paul+Howell+Photography-4057.jpg
23:25 rangi can't beat wellington on an orca day
23:26 rangi http://wellingtonweddings.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/orcas-in-wellington-harbour-right-place.html
23:29 jcamins You want to know why libraries are in trouble?
23:29 jcamins I'll tell you why.
23:29 jcamins I just got back from returning four books to the library.
23:30 jcamins They have these fancy new automatic return machines, which are pretty cool.
23:30 jcamins However, they also have a circulation desk, which is good because one of the books I was returning had had many pages torn out.
23:30 jcamins So I went up to the desk, gave the circulation clerk the book, and said "many of the pages in this book were torn out. Can I request the other copy."
23:31 jcamins Reasonable, right?
23:31 jcamins Absolutely.
23:31 jcamins Well, it turns out that despite there being a circulation desk staffed by two people, the circulation clerks cannot place holds on books.
23:31 jcamins So I was referred to the reference librarian.
23:31 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "OK, now I see what's going on" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/417
23:31 jcamins Of which there was one.
23:31 gmcharlt jcamins: ^^
23:32 jcamins She had five people waiting for her.
23:32 jcamins And me.
23:32 jcamins I will wait until this book is available used for $1.
23:32 jcamins gmcharlt: ah-ha!
23:32 gmcharlt jcamins: upshot, I like your patch, but I'm going to sign off on it with a somewhat different commit message :)
23:32 jcamins gmcharlt: that's fine with me.
23:33 jcamins I was guessing what the problem was based on the comparison of two zebra::index results, one from a working system, one from a non-working system.
23:33 gmcharlt jcamins: if (say) MARC::File::XML serialized without spaces between the <subfield> elements, this would have become apparent much earlier
23:35 jcamins Heh. The workaround was dependent on human-readable XML.
23:35 jcamins I find that amusing.
23:37 rangi jcamins: yes, that is a great illustration of doing things wrong, why on earth would you hve a circ desk that can't place holds
23:38 jcamins rangi: entertainment purposes, I suppose.
23:39 rangi :)
23:39 jcamins Put in a hidden camera, see how many people go postal when they learn that the 2-3 people sitting at the desk with no line don't do anything, and there is only one person who does anything, and she has a line of 5 people waiting to talk to her.
23:40 rangi heh
23:41 gmcharlt jcamins: OK, I've signed off on the patch with a commit message that makes more sense to me; hopefully it will for others
23:41 jcamins Thanks.
23:42 gmcharlt VOODOO BE GONE!!!1!!!!
23:42 * jcamins is all for that.
23:42 jcamins Though I have to say... it's kind of disturbing to me that my patch was exactly right despite my being 100% wrong about what the problem was.
23:42 jcamins I think this means I spend too much time working with Zebra.
23:48 jcamins [off] Well, that's awkward.
23:48 rangi [off] hmm?
23:49 jcamins [off] The closing line of LBA's e-mail.
23:49 rangi lol
23:49 rangi must .. not .. reply ...
23:59 eythian haha
23:59 wizzyrea ...