Time  Nick         Message
23:59 wizzyrea     ...
23:59 eythian      haha
23:49 rangi        must .. not .. reply ...
23:49 rangi        lol
23:49 jcamins      [off] The closing line of LBA's e-mail.
23:48 rangi        [off] hmm?
23:48 jcamins      [off] Well, that's awkward.
23:42 jcamins      I think this means I spend too much time working with Zebra.
23:42 jcamins      Though I have to say... it's kind of disturbing to me that my patch was exactly right despite my being 100% wrong about what the problem was.
23:42 * jcamins    is all for that.
23:42 gmcharlt     VOODOO BE GONE!!!1!!!!
23:41 jcamins      Thanks.
23:41 gmcharlt     jcamins: OK, I've signed off on the patch with a commit message that makes more sense to me; hopefully it will for others
23:40 rangi        heh
23:39 jcamins      Put in a hidden camera, see how many people go postal when they learn that the 2-3 people sitting at the desk with no line don't do anything, and there is only one person who does anything, and she has a line of 5 people waiting to talk to her.
23:39 rangi        :)
23:38 jcamins      rangi: entertainment purposes, I suppose.
23:37 rangi        jcamins: yes, that is a great illustration of doing things wrong, why on earth would you hve a circ desk that can't place holds
23:35 jcamins      I find that amusing.
23:35 jcamins      Heh. The workaround was dependent on human-readable XML.
23:33 gmcharlt     jcamins: if (say) MARC::File::XML serialized without spaces between the <subfield> elements, this would have become apparent much earlier
23:33 jcamins      I was guessing what the problem was based on the comparison of two zebra::index results, one from a working system, one from a non-working system.
23:32 jcamins      gmcharlt: that's fine with me.
23:32 gmcharlt     jcamins: upshot, I like your patch, but I'm going to sign off on it with a somewhat different commit message :)
23:32 jcamins      gmcharlt: ah-ha!
23:32 jcamins      I will wait until this book is available used for $1.
23:32 jcamins      And me.
23:32 jcamins      She had five people waiting for her.
23:31 gmcharlt     jcamins: ^^
23:31 jcamins      Of which there was one.
23:31 pastebot     "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "OK, now I see what's going on" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/417
23:31 jcamins      So I was referred to the reference librarian.
23:31 jcamins      Well, it turns out that despite there being a circulation desk staffed by two people, the circulation clerks cannot place holds on books.
23:31 jcamins      Absolutely.
23:31 jcamins      Reasonable, right?
23:30 jcamins      So I went up to the desk, gave the circulation clerk the book, and said "many of the pages in this book were torn out. Can I request the other copy."
23:30 jcamins      However, they also have a circulation desk, which is good because one of the books I was returning had had many pages torn out.
23:30 jcamins      They have these fancy new automatic return machines, which are pretty cool.
23:29 jcamins      I just got back from returning four books to the library.
23:29 jcamins      I'll tell you why.
23:29 jcamins      You want to know why libraries are in trouble?
23:26 rangi        http://wellingtonweddings.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/orcas-in-wellington-harbour-right-place.html
23:25 rangi        can't beat wellington on an orca day
23:25 rangi        https://lh3.ggpht.com/-eN7dgBGMs5Y/UTUiP83KusI/AAAAAAAABOw/_AbgbNn1I1U/s1600/Paul+Howell+Photography-4057.jpg
23:05 cait         gmcharlt, jcamins - hope you 2 canfiugre out something - i am going to sleep :)
22:55 jcamins      (instead of subfield or even field)
22:54 jcamins      I changed it to match only text nodes since that's how you had done it with authorities.
22:53 jcamins      If you have a large enough record.
22:52 jcamins      But it still cuts out at some point.
22:52 jcamins      With -x, it only cuts out around token 200.
22:52 jcamins      Any only reaches token 62.
22:51 jcamins      This is the result without -x: http://paste.koha-community.org/414
22:50 gmcharlt     jcamins: frankly, I'm dubious.  I still smell too much voodoo
22:50 jcamins      I hate to imagine why the indexes are stuck into binary MARC, but that seems the most likely explanation.
22:50 gmcharlt     jcamins: that shouldn't be relevant; the record I'm testing with certainly isn't anywhere near the limit
22:49 jcamins      gmcharlt: I presume we were hitting the MARC binary limit.
22:49 gmcharlt     jcamins: yeah, but that doesn't account for why -x makes a difference; the end result should be the same, but isn't
22:48 jcamins      Whatever.
22:48 wahanui      template is a copy from output
22:48 jcamins      Template.
22:48 jcamins      gmcharlt: yeah, the idea behind my patch was that it greatly reduces the number of nodes that match the Any query.
22:48 wizzyrea     right, when you have a minute - the patch isn't there yet anyway
22:48 cait         time to sleep :)
22:48 wizzyrea     because I don't know how many people translate their sysprefs.
22:48 cait         nope, but not tonight
22:47 wizzyrea     would you mind testing that?
22:47 cait         yay :)
22:47 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9745 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Don't nuke translated permissions with changes introduced in bug 9382
22:47 wizzyrea     cait, I'm about to submit a patch for bug 9745
22:47 * gmcharlt   adds note to the bug
22:47 gmcharlt     jcamins: well, that narrows it down
22:46 cait         tricky.
22:46 jcamins      cait: yeah, had you used -x, it probably would have started working.
22:46 cait         neither callnumber nor barcode worked for me before patch
22:46 cait         hm I didn't use -x, I have icu and dom... and I have weird gemran records (I guess)
22:45 jcamins      Or, rather, it happens less.
22:45 jcamins      If you use XML indexing, it doesn't happen.
22:44 jcamins      Oh, neither can I.
22:44 gmcharlt     jcamins: what I'm saying is I can't reproduce the bug
22:44 cait         oh right -thx :)
22:44 gmcharlt     cait: works for me
22:44 jcamins      gmcharlt: oh, yeah, the patch works, I just wanted to know what you thought of it. :)
22:44 cait         wfm?
22:43 gmcharlt     jcamins: well, search on item-barcode-as-keyword WFM
22:40 * gmcharlt   does some testing
22:40 gmcharlt     heh
22:39 jcamins      I was just using the same magical templating that you used. :P
22:39 jcamins      Heh.
22:38 gmcharlt     jcamins: hmm.  my eyeballs have no problem with your patch, but my nose smells too much unexplained voodoo ;)
22:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8620 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Barcode searching not working correctly
22:34 jcamins      gmcharlt: if you have a chance to look at bug 8620, I'd be interested to know if my patch solves it the same way you would.
22:33 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #143: "rhcl: Blame the C coders; if it was written in Ada it would have exception handling." (added by wizzyrea at 09:51 PM, June 28, 2011)
22:33 gmcharlt     @quote random
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21:28 cait         yep, that was the one I was thinking about
21:28 huginn       04Bug 9021: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add SMS via email as an alternative to SMS services via SMS::Send drivers
21:27 indradg      cait, http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9021 ?
21:27 jcamins      indradg: then not to my knowledge.
21:27 indradg      cait checking
21:26 indradg      jcamins, SMS::Send drivers are for sms service providers.... not my use-case :)
21:26 cait         there is a patch sending by email to phones... or something in bugzilla too I think
21:26 jcamins      But that's all I know about it.
21:26 jcamins      indradg: there was support for SMSes using SMS::Send drivers.
21:25 indradg      hi folks! anyone here has integrated / hooked up a GSM modem / compatible phone to send out SMSes
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21:14 wahanui      do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
21:14 wizzyrea     be wizzyrea
21:14 wizzyrea     >.>
21:14 wizzyrea     besides being charming
21:14 cait         wizzyrea: I am quite sure you have
21:14 cait         wizzyrea: well.....
21:14 wizzyrea     i like cookies - not sure I've done anything to deserve it though :)
21:11 * cait       gives wizzyrea a cookie
21:08 wizzyrea     quiet again today
21:06 * cait       waves at wizzyrea
20:36 * wizzyrea   waves
20:36 rangi        cya later magnuse
20:36 magnuse      oh well, time to go. have fun #koha
20:35 magnuse      rangi: yup!
20:35 rangi        next time maybe :)
20:35 * indradg    waves to wizzyrea
20:35 * magnuse    waves to wizzyrea
20:34 rangi        yeah
20:33 magnuse      looong trip...
20:33 rangi        he flies tomorrow
20:32 magnuse      but, too late now
20:32 magnuse      ooh, what would have been super cool was to invite him to norway and do that speach to norwegian librarians, when he is in the vicinity
20:32 rangi        it was
20:31 magnuse      his speach at kohacon10 was awesome!
20:31 rangi        cool
20:31 magnuse      yeah, looks like he is speaking: http://lanyrd.com/2013/opensourcedays/speakers/
20:31 magnuse      :-)
20:31 rangi        yep :) kids will do that :)
20:31 * magnuse    does not travel much these days...
20:31 rangi        not sure ill ask
20:30 magnuse      ah http://lanyrd.com/2013/opensourcedays/
20:30 magnuse      is he talking or just attending?
20:29 rangi        ahh
20:29 magnuse      rangi: nope, and i must confess i have not heard about them either...
20:29 rangi        francois is going :)
20:29 rangi        magnuse: are you going to the open source days in denmark?
20:24 * magnuse    agrees with rangi
20:19 rangi        dancer is awesome
20:19 oleonard     ;)
20:19 magnuse      yay
20:19 * oleonard   volunteers!
20:18 bgallagher   Not at this time
20:17 cait         I mean bringing someone else to marseille?
20:17 cait         will libsysguy get replaced? ;)
20:16 cait         oh ok
20:16 bgallagher   I am not sure yet cait I have not got train tickets
20:14 cait         bgallagher: when wil you arrive on sunday?
20:14 cait         btw
20:14 bgallagher   Yay!
20:12 magnuse      just the first day - there will be 4 - four - more! :-)
20:12 cait         i mean, that it will be over :)
20:12 cait         magnuse: that's drepessing
20:11 bgallagher   Ha
20:11 magnuse      two weeks and the first day of the hackfest will be over
20:10 magnuse      :-)
20:06 bgallagher   Cool
20:06 * magnuse    is building an ebook lending thingy in dancer
20:04 libsysguy    people complain about it using Moose but I actually advocate for Moose if you are using persistence
20:03 libsysguy    the bad thing is the dependency radius
20:03 libsysguy    I'm working on an app in it. The nice thing about it is almost anything you need is already built
20:02 libsysguy    the deps for catalyst are around 80M iirc
20:02 magnuse      yeah, it seems way too big and difficult to get an overview of
20:02 libsysguy    and catalyst is a monster, lots of moving parts
20:02 magnuse      hehe
20:02 libsysguy    mojo has the ability to be light but also robust, the issue is, everything is written from scratch.  Which can be good…but also very bad
20:02 magnuse      yup
20:01 libsysguy    dancer is so lightweight and easy to prototype stuff
20:01 libsysguy    I think there are pros and cons to all of them
20:00 * magnuse    likes dancer
19:37 kathryn      morning! :)
19:15 libsysguy    well…too much of an issue
19:15 libsysguy    that way when you move to persistence you can use Moose without an issue
19:15 libsysguy    yes, perhaps Moo objects would be helpful
19:07 tcohen       bye #koha, see u tomorrow
19:06 tcohen       so, we first have a fully OO set of libs
19:06 jcamins      If your code is good, frameworks are interchangeable.
19:05 jcamins      tcohen: not if your code is good.
19:05 tcohen       once u stick with a framework of this size, is not easy to leave it
19:04 libsysguy    imho
19:03 libsysguy    mojo is a sticky trap
19:02 tcohen       i knew i should have finished reading modern perl a while ago
19:01 tcohen       and this time i'm not volunteering :-P
19:00 jcamins      tcohen: one thing at a time.
19:00 tcohen       :-P
19:00 tcohen       we should rewrite Koha using Mojolicious
18:12 wahanui      hey, bgallagher
18:12 bgallagher   Hello
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17:27 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:27 tcohen       @later tell druthb I need to ask u smth about Dancer
16:56 tcohen       looks like implementing the REST patrons webservice is kind-of trivial with dancer
16:56 tcohen       i'll let u know what i get with my experiment
16:55 tcohen       heh
16:55 jcamins      :P
16:55 jcamins      That was about all I knew about Dancer.
16:55 tcohen       np
16:55 jcamins      I don't know.
16:55 tcohen       is it possible to run it under CGI?
16:55 jcamins      tcohen: rangi used dancer for the dashboard.
16:49 tcohen       which happens to be packaged in 12.04
16:49 tcohen       jcamins, found a simpler one, dancer
16:32 kf           bye all
16:21 kf           feel free to close with a "it's by design" :)
16:20 kf           it looked wrong at first glance... later I had the thought it might have been on purpose
16:20 kf           hm
16:20 kf           no problem with that
16:20 oleonard     I'm not sure it's really useful
16:20 kf           aah ok
16:20 oleonard     It was designed that way originally. The add biblio and add item screens were meant to be more "focused" than others
16:19 kf           that was the one - was that on purpose? I was not sure thinking about it later
16:19 kf           ah
16:19 oleonard     kf: I saw the one about the search box on the add item screen
16:18 jcamins      I don't suppose it's packaged for Debian?
16:18 kf           oleonard: and maybe if it falls in your area of expertise
16:18 jcamins      tcohen: oh, okay.
16:18 kf           oleonard: and not sure if one of my bugs is not a bug
16:18 tcohen       through PSGI
16:18 kf           oleonard: I was wondering... I filed 2 bugs tis mornign while looking at bootstrap things
16:18 tcohen       Squatting has Plack support
16:18 jcamins      Or nginx, which is what I use.
16:18 jcamins      Right.
16:18 tcohen       which can be used with Apache as a front-end
16:17 tcohen       for Perl
16:17 jcamins      It's a fastcgi/server-like thing.
16:17 tcohen       looks like an application server
16:17 jcamins      tcohen: I don't know, exactly.
16:17 tcohen       jcamins, what is Plack exactly?
16:15 jcamins      tcohen: it would be better to find one that works with Plack... it looks like that requires another server to be running.
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16:13 jcamins      Ah.
16:13 tcohen       RESTfull framework for perl?
16:12 jcamins      tcohen: ?
16:12 tcohen       http://search.cpan.org/dist/Squatting/ ?
16:10 tcohen       always the same with u guuuuuys
16:10 tcohen       :-P
16:08 jcamins      tcohen: I think you just volunteered to implement that. :P
16:08 wahanui      rumour has it right now is testing just somebody seeing if it works
16:08 kf           right now
16:08 kf           tcohen: I think it's more about cataloguing
16:08 reiveune     bye
16:08 tcohen       do the svc REST API manage patrons?
16:02 saa          yes
16:02 * kf         nods
16:02 oleonard     saa: I would advise you to obey all warnings in the future. They are there for a reason.
16:01 saa          but i ignored that and thought let me check all modules with kohaadmin account
16:00 saa          oh yes i saw
15:59 oleonard     saa: When you first logged in, did you see a big yellow message that said "Warning: You're logged in with the database administrator account. This a bad idea, and you are likely to encounter problems." ?
15:56 saa          hmm
15:53 kf           only some modules are more likely to fail when you don't follow that advice than others
15:53 kf           it was always in the manual
15:52 saa          earlier versions it was nt the case
15:52 saa          i needed to create a user account and then continue
15:52 tcohen       great!
15:51 saa          ok solved
15:51 kf           it's safer
15:51 kf           saa: also delete the funds and budgets you created with it.
15:51 jcamins      It does, yes.
15:49 oleonard     Doesn't Koha 3.10.3 have a big alert about that?
15:48 oleonard     saa: You must not use the 'kohaadmin' user for regular use. Create a patron and give it superlibrarian privileges. Use that account to administer Koha
15:47 wahanui      somebody said kohaadmin was the db user
15:47 saa          kohaadmin
15:47 jcamins      What user are you logged in as?
15:46 saa          though have created fund, budget
15:46 saa          tried again from scrath but still getting a message "You can't create any orders unless you first define a budget and a fund".
15:40 jcamins      Not the database user.
15:40 jcamins      saa: you need to log in as a real user.
15:39 oleonard     saa: That bug is marked as fixed since version 3.6, so it seems more likely it is another issue
15:35 saa          i just found this http://koha-patches.988968.n3.nabble.com/Koha-patches-PATCH-Bug-6994-Wrong-no-budget-defined-alert-td3449193.html
15:35 saa          is there a bug in 3.10.3
15:34 saa          yes it is accessible
15:33 kf           saa: make sure the funds are accessible for the library you are logged in at
15:28 saa          in koha 3.10.3 though budget/funds are defined it gives a message "You can't create any orders unless you first define a budget and a fund" can some one help to sort this error
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14:05 Herwig       ok
14:04 kf           commit_file.pl
14:04 kf           stage_file.pl
14:04 kf           http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/migration_tools;h=dcbc52bc0c568fbbbb88ed7a06e68ef6e0f6226c;hb=1f88190fdd7cfc4eb17406555f905bd59afc82ce
14:03 kf           one moment
14:03 kf           that works too - but I meant something else
13:58 Herwig       bulkmarcimport.pl this one ?
13:53 Herwig       np i'm searching
13:53 kf           sorry, I got no time to find them for you right now - but quite sure it's misc and somewhere there
13:51 Herwig       searching it
13:50 kf           it shows up normally in the interface later and you can undo and all that
13:50 kf           we use that a lot for our nightly imports from the union catalog
13:50 kf           there is one for stage and one for committing the import
13:50 kf           somewhere
13:50 kf           there are scripts in... misc
13:50 Herwig       how ?
13:50 kf           we use that a lot
13:50 kf           there is also the option to do staged marc import from the command line
13:49 kf           Herwig: always a good plan :)
13:49 * kf         wonders if drofj is at the inetbib conf
13:49 Herwig       got a backup made before i started :OP
13:49 Herwig       ok
13:49 kf           maybe just wait then, I think the process bar was broken for a while
13:49 Herwig       the old one not the new one lol
13:49 kf           cool
13:48 Herwig       did work
13:48 kf           but it would certainly take a longer while
13:48 Herwig       i had one like that before
13:48 kf           that might be too big for staged import, but not sure
13:48 kf           hm
13:48 Herwig       sorry ehm about 40000 records
13:45 kf           but not totally unlikely... with smartphone, tablet and co :)
13:45 oleonard     Oh you're right
13:45 kf           but I will be at library conf... so no guarantee I will be around
13:45 kf           oleonard: marseille is the week after
13:45 kf           hm that's a week to early
13:44 oleonard     18 UTC is a terrible time to include Marseille Hackfest people who are going to be out wandering the city in search of dinner at that time
13:43 kf           hm looks like we still need an RM?
13:42 kf           :)
13:42 kf           oooh
13:42 * oleonard   clears away the rest of the birthday cake
13:34 kf           Herwig: how big was the file you were staging?
13:34 kf           thx Herwig
13:34 Herwig       happy birthd :)
13:28 kf           oleonard: was saturday - thank you :)
13:28 kf           oleonard: quite a long birthday yes :)
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13:04 tcohen       yeah, happy birthday+2 kf
13:03 oleonard     Oh good, it's still kf's birthday? Then I'm not too late to say Happy Birthday kf!
12:55 Herwig       I started a staged import 2 hours ago still at 0 % how do i know he still is importing ?
09:43 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5343 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Subscription cost (Link serial and acqui modules)
09:43 kf           Joubu++ #bug 5343
09:40 kf           that's what I always say too...
09:37 * wizzyrea   is going soon
09:37 wizzyrea     it's stiill kinda sorta early
09:37 kf           didn't you plan an early night? :)
09:37 kf           morning wizzyrea
09:36 wizzyrea     mornin europe
08:52 kf           hi slef
08:51 slef         hi kf
08:40 kf           hey Koha
08:26 christophe_c hello #koha
07:55 wahanui      hola, jajm
07:55 jajm         hello
07:50 cait         bbl!
07:50 cait         was on saturday :)
07:50 cait         gaetan_B: thank you :)
07:50 gaetan_B     alles gute zum geburtstag cait !
07:49 gaetan_B     hello
07:46 reiveune     hello
07:40 marcelr      hi cait rangi
07:40 rangi        hi marcelr
07:39 cait         hi marcelr
07:38 marcelr      hi #koha
07:18 cait         -3! :)
07:17 wizzyrea     so funny how it gets cool so fast here.
07:17 huginn       wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on March 04, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
07:17 wizzyrea     @wunder nzwn
07:08 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -3.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 04, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
07:08 cait         @wunder Konstanz
06:42 wizzyrea     hi cait :)
06:42 cait         good morning #koha
06:42 wahanui      mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
06:42 wizzyrea     mailing lists?
06:42 wizzyrea     I don't have an answer to that question - you might have better luck with that on the list
06:40 mib_csz7xb   is there anyway for feeding data in regional languages while cataloguing like we use google transliteration in OPAC
06:40 alohabot     Hi mib_csz7xb, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
06:31 wizzyrea     they are unrelated, afaik
06:31 wizzyrea     yes, any flavour of marc works with unicode.
06:30 mib_csz7xb   means i can use Marc21 for mine indian languages also like Hindi etc http://libcat.mysore-univ.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=ti&q=%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE+
06:27 wizzyrea     (most places just use MARC21)
06:27 wizzyrea     (unimarc is usually used in France/Europe)
06:27 wizzyrea     unicode is a character encoding, unimarc is a marc standard
06:27 mib_csz7xb   when to use Marc and Unicode
06:27 * wizzyrea   is not an encoding specialist, but it shouldn't matter which marc flavour you use, only which character encoding, and the two (as I understand it) aren't necessarily related.
06:26 wizzyrea     they aren't related, as far as I know
06:26 mib_csz7xb   what is basic difference between MARC flavour and Unicode
06:25 wahanui      i already had it that way, mib_csz7xb.
06:25 mib_csz7xb   Unicode flavour is necessary if we want to enter data in Indian languages?
06:25 alohabot     Hi mib_csz7xb, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
06:23 cjh          wizzyrea++
06:19 wizzyrea     someone else can correct me if I'm wrong about that
06:19 * wizzyrea   is not an encoding specialist, but it shouldn't matter which marc flavour you use, only which character encoding, and the two (as I understand it) aren't necessarily related.
06:17 wizzyrea     you mean unimarc?
06:16 vkm1         Unicode flavour is necessary if we want to enter data in Indian languages?
06:15 vkm          hello all
04:40 * dcook      sighs
04:40 dcook        LoC does show RDA tags on the full record view. Just not the brief..
04:39 dcook        Oh ho ho!
04:38 dcook        night, jcamins
04:37 * jcamins    finishes on a high note and heads to bed.
04:37 jcamins      Yay! My bookmarks work-ish!
04:35 dcook        Not that I want to get into "that" discussion. Just venting :p
04:35 dcook        If only they would tell everyone not to bother with it...
04:35 * dcook      also finds it "interesting" how LoC has RDA records but doesn't seem to display or index the added RDA fields.
04:33 * jcamins    agrees with dcook.
04:32 dcook        Hmm. I'm going with the latter :p
04:29 eythian      http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run <-- oh hey, the quote from Star Wars is actually not gibberish after all. Either that, or they're _really_ good at retconning.
04:27 wahanui      somebody said monkey was http://youtu.be/VTO5yiN1b-I
04:27 wizzyrea     monkey?
04:24 dcook        hehe
04:24 cjh          monkey
04:24 wahanui      eythian: sorry...
04:24 eythian      wahanui: you let me down :(
04:23 eythian      aww
04:23 eythian      MONKEY!
04:23 eythian      also parsecs.
04:22 * dcook      always finds it interesting when people use light year to refer to time rather than distance...
04:19 eythian      teehee
04:19 wahanui      rumour has it monkey is http://youtu.be/VTO5yiN1b-I
04:19 eythian      monkey?
04:15 nvo          nope - not a bot :-) Just a very thankful and happy koha user :-)
04:15 wahanui      Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
04:15 eythian      wahanui: germs
04:15 wahanui      somebody said germs was http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
04:15 eythian      wahanui: germs
04:14 wahanui      OK, eythian.
04:14 eythian      wahanui: nvo is maybe a bot, too.
04:09 nvo          As thanks: @random - Your middle fingernail grows the fastest. Did you know that longer the finger, the faster it’s nail will grow. For the same reason, the fingernails grow about four times as fast as toenails.
04:08 wizzyrea     I haven't looked at g+ in a while :/
04:06 wizzyrea     or anytime he sees the word "random" *giggles madly*
04:05 wizzyrea     would be cool if he'd answer with a random one if you said "wahanui is so random"
04:05 nvo          Thanks so much guys - at least the -x patches the problem for now!
04:04 eythian      needs a plugin to just spit out a random factoid.
04:04 eythian      hmm
04:04 wahanui      eythian: sorry...
04:04 eythian      wahanui: random
04:04 wahanui      eythian: i'm not following you...
04:04 eythian      wahanui: @random
04:03 jcamins      Or I could just ask her for the results of zebra::index
04:03 jcamins      If I remember, I'll tell her to try my capitalization test.
04:02 wahanui      OK, eythian.
04:02 eythian      wahanui: google plus is at https://plus.google.com/communities/108301839510288716136
04:02 jcamins      Oh, looks like kf has the same problem.
04:02 wahanui      I read it on the internet!
04:02 wizzyrea     it's true
04:02 wizzyrea     kek.
04:02 eythian      everyone who's anyone is on google plus these days anyway.
04:02 wizzyrea     curses it?
04:01 * jcamins    curses Facebook.
04:00 jcamins      wizzyrea: that's what I'm thinking.
03:59 wizzyrea     well it could be that there's a capitalisation issue that stops it working without -x?
03:59 nvo          any way to check that?
03:59 jcamins      Actually, though, I suspect a problem with the capitalization anyway.
03:59 wizzyrea     :)
03:58 nvo          (I know, XML :-) )
03:58 nvo          somehow, the -x did something
03:58 jcamins      ... or maybe it's just that we should always reindex with XML.
03:58 nvo          As in, they're working....
03:58 nvo          and now the search results are working a bit better
03:58 nvo          the reindex just finished
03:58 wizzyrea     it's kind of brilliant
03:58 nvo          welll - this is strange
03:57 wizzyrea     that's nowhere near crazy
03:57 jcamins      We'll see if I'm right.
03:57 wizzyrea     !
03:57 jcamins      I am preparing to blame the problem on a capitalization issue in upgraded configuration files.
03:57 wizzyrea     are you going to share?
03:57 jcamins      wizzyrea: no, really... this one is nuts.
03:56 wizzyrea     it's jcamins and his carayzeeeee ideas
03:55 jcamins      Or, I will once it finishes reindexing.
03:54 * jcamins    tries something silly.
03:54 nvo          I like insane ideas....
03:54 jcamins      It's an insane idea.
03:54 jcamins      I just had an idea.
03:54 jcamins      Wait...
03:53 jcamins      Yeah, see, I have a well-populated any index.
03:53 nvo          Done the export stage, reindexing now!
03:52 wizzyrea     oh then it'll be done indexing in more-or-less a snap :)
03:52 wizzyrea     cool
03:52 nvo          Quite small - just over 20 000 records
03:52 nvo          It's a theological college / seminary library. So, tertiary education library
03:51 wizzyrea     what kind of library are you running?
03:51 nvo          Might pass it on to our library staff to see if they might be interested
03:51 nvo          Looks interesting though....
03:51 eythian      being public specifically)
03:51 eythian      though perhaps not so relevant
03:51 wizzyrea     https://plwa.wordpress.com/
03:51 eythian      http://www.publiclibrarieswa.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21:plwa-conference-2013&catid=4:latest-events&Itemid=8 <-- yeah this
03:50 wizzyrea     PLWA?
03:50 eythian      hmm, let me see if I can find something
03:50 nvo          Library conference thing in Perth later this week?? Haven't heard about it! ???
03:49 eythian      nvo: are you going to that library conference thing in Perth later this week?
03:49 nvo          [Will take a few minutes! :-)]
03:49 nvo          Running a re-index now
03:49 jcamins      I'm not sure if I expect it to or not, but it's definitely worth a try.
03:48 jcamins      I'd like to know if that fixes the problem.
03:48 nvo          shall I try that now?
03:48 nvo          Nope, didn't try -x
03:48 nvo          Actually, I've done that a couple of times since as well - grasping at straws!
03:48 jcamins      Did you use -x?
03:47 nvo          Yep
03:47 jcamins      And then you did a full reindex?
03:47 nvo          But yeah - just accepted the defaults for everything it asked
03:47 jcamins      nvo: right, but it should have asked an additional three questions?
03:47 nvo          pointed it to the settongs saved at the initial install
03:46 jcamins      Well, two patches.
03:46 jcamins      But PTFS-Europe keeps on submitting dubious patches to fix this issue for one field at a time.
03:46 jcamins      wizzyrea: never.
03:46 wizzyrea     jcamins: you have seen this before?
03:46 jcamins      And when running Makefile.PL you just hit enter ~5 times, accepting all the defaults, right?
03:46 wahanui      I know.
03:46 nvo          That's right
03:46 jcamins      So you ran Makefile.PL, followed by make, followed by make install?
03:45 nvo          upgraded using the perl method
03:45 nvo          then 3.10.1
03:45 nvo          then upgraded to 3.4 (I think)
03:45 jcamins      *did
03:45 nvo          Started off with 3.2
03:45 wizzyrea     oh hm
03:45 jcamins      nvo: how di you upgrade?
03:45 nvo          could it be that that caused it
03:45 wizzyrea     what version did you install when you first installed koha
03:45 nvo          we were running on 3.4 until recently - working fine until the upgrade to 3.10
03:44 nvo          and no, don't have a support vendor, unfortunately
03:44 wizzyrea     and if they installed a specific version
03:44 nvo          hmmmm... strange
03:44 * wizzyrea   wonders if this site has a support vendor
03:44 jcamins      nvo: unfortunately, I don't even know how it's possible to not have it... the last time I patched DOM indexing, it worked.
03:43 nvo          Is it possible to add the "any" index in?
03:42 jcamins      How that is possible I do not know.
03:42 jcamins      wizzyrea: no, this is another site where the "any" index does not exist.
03:42 wizzyrea     k just curious
03:42 nvo          as in "Five views" ? no
03:42 nvo          disabled again, 2 found
03:42 wizzyrea     is it actually quoted?
03:42 jcamins      But at least we know what the problem is.
03:42 jcamins      That is very weird.
03:41 nvo          Just re-enabled it, and searched again - 4 records found
03:41 jcamins      ...
03:41 nvo          Yep.
03:41 jcamins      *Disabling* QueryWeightFields?
03:40 nvo          now, the search on "Five views" brings up just 2 results, whereas before it brought up 4
03:40 jcamins      Odd.
03:40 nvo          wait - actually it does
03:40 nvo          nope - doesn't seem to make a difference
03:39 jcamins      But try disabling QueryWeightFields for a test.
03:38 jcamins      Okay, all of those sound right.
03:38 nvo          QueryWeightFields : enable
03:38 nvo          QueryFuzzy  and QuerryStemming : don't try
03:37 nvo          QueryAutoTruncate - only if * is added
03:37 jcamins      I'm not actually working on Koha at the moment, so I don't have it open to check.
03:36 jcamins      There are three Query... sysprefs.
03:36 cjh          that is a really pretty catalog, the blue is so awesome.
03:36 nvo          under searching, that is?
03:36 nvo          Any particular syspref?
03:35 nvo          Very cool, it is
03:35 jcamins      (Font Awesome)
03:35 nvo          :-)
03:34 jcamins      Whoah! That's exactly what I needed!
03:34 nvo          Checing the sysprefs now
03:34 nvo          :-) Been slowly migrating to FontAwesome for the icons - makes it look a bit better ;-P
03:33 jcamins      Very tasteful, for something that bold.
03:33 jcamins      I especially like the buttons.
03:33 jcamins      What are your sysprefs set to in the Search page?
03:32 nvo          Yeah - we're on quite a slow connection here :-( Fastest available, unfortuantely
03:32 nvo          :-) Thanks!
03:32 nvo          Typo fixed: http://library.pbc.wa.edu.au/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=Five+views+sanctification
03:31 jcamins      Nice catalog!
03:31 jcamins      Whoah!
03:31 jcamins      However, as it's taking me ages to load the pages, I can't actually confirm.
03:31 nvo          My fault that - but this is a problem that's been tried and tried with numerous examples by our librarians.
03:31 nvo          :-)
03:31 jcamins      My initial response is that the problem is the typo.
03:30 nvo          Very confused about this!
03:30 nvo          ...a no results found page.  Similar issues occur when searching on part of a title and author.
03:29 nvo          For example, searching for "five views" ( http://library.pbc.wa.edu.au/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=five+views ) returns 4 results, including one for the book title "five views on sanctification". However, searching for "five views sanctification" ( http://library.pbc.wa.edu.au/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=five+views+sanctifcation ) returns a no r
03:29 nvo          it seems like the more precise one is with one's search query, the less likely one is to get results.
03:29 nvo          But there's a weird issue with searching
03:28 nvo          We upgraded to 3.10.1 a few weeks back - loving the new version
03:28 nvo          :-D Fantastic
03:28 wizzyrea     anytime is the right time ;)
03:28 nvo          Not sure what the time is for everyone - it's just after 11am here :-)
03:28 nvo          Hello - just jumped on to ask a question if possible re: searching inconsistencies we're experiencing...
03:27 * ibeardslee throws some P into the channel to speed it up
03:21 wahanui      OK, eythian.
03:21 eythian      wahanui: monkey is http://youtu.be/VTO5yiN1b-I
03:19 rangi        yup
03:19 wizzyrea     probably typical for a monday
03:19 rangi        heh
03:18 wizzyrea     wow that was the slowest IRC day ever