Time Nick Message 00:16 wizzyrea ok, question - regarding bug 9534, I had thought of two ways to do this 00:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen 00:16 wizzyrea but I can't decide which is better 00:17 wizzyrea a cancel button that takes you back or a link in the breadcrumbs to click bac 00:17 wizzyrea because you don't get the menu there. I guess that's another option - put the menu on that page. 00:18 jcamins I don't think the menu is a good idea because it takes too much space. 00:18 jcamins I would favor breadcrumbs, I think. 00:20 wizzyrea I was thinking of putting it in the floating toolbar with save and z39 search 00:21 jcamins Oh, that would be okay. I thought you meant adding the default toolbar. 00:21 wizzyrea because I think the breadcrumbs are too small, now that I'm looking at it 00:21 wizzyrea naw 00:21 wizzyrea I meant adding the side menu with the tabs, adding a cancel button to the floating toolbar, or adding a link to the record in the breadcrumbs 00:22 jcamins If the breadcrumbs are too small, cancel button would be my preference. 00:22 jcamins I had forgotten just how awesome crusty dill bread is. 00:33 jcamins I should make more next time I have dill. 00:48 eythian http://imgur.com/OhI1Y2V <-- wizzyrea 00:49 jcamins Cool! 01:47 alohabot Hi mib_513u9w, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 01:50 ndroftheline Hello, I am a US Peace Corps Volunteer working in the Philippines. I am trying to help a high school set up a computerized library catalogue. Is there anybody in the Philippines who can help me with this? 01:51 wajasu there was a guy on here, mtompset was his handle that was over there last year. don't know about now. 01:51 wajasu i think. 01:51 jcamins He's in Canada now. 01:52 jcamins There are a lot of libraries in the Philippines using Koha. 01:52 jcamins And if you have specific questions, you should feel free to ask them on #koha. 01:53 eythian The Philippines National Library runs Koha, I think. 01:53 jcamins eythian: and an astonishingly large number of other libraries. I think rangi trained them. 01:54 eythian http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/4/4064574/nins-head-like-a-hole-mashed-with-call-me-maybe-is-perfect <-- unrelated 01:54 jcamins ndroftheline: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/SoutheastAsia 01:54 jcamins Ugh. A lot of Koha 2.2. 01:55 jcamins Actually, it looks like at least some of them were upgraded. 02:23 * wajasu investigating why some of my cover images arent found in amazon. 02:23 * wajasu looking for GetNormalizedISBN 02:47 alohabot Hi mib_9m8s5p, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 02:50 mib_9m8s5p Hello all! I seem to be having an issue with Avery 5160 and Koha 3.11.00.022 - the labels print fine for the first few rows but get skewed off the label towards the end so I'll end up with some without the header and some with 2x half-headers. Here are my settings for the label: http://i.imgur.com/etzNRID.png 02:51 mib_9m8s5p .... and here is the layout view: http://i.imgur.com/T54sphC.png . Ideally I'd like the barcodes and 'header' centred on the label - but just getting the print on the label is step one for me - could someone please lend me some insight? :) 03:01 wajasu joltt: looking at your label layout, i am not sure the "list fields" that contains 'ABC Resource Center' is corrent. I think you need something like: itemcallnumber,author,title in that field 03:05 joltt wajasu: I'm trying to add that as a header using the single quote method.. although it's the same as the library name - should I try to pull the library name from the database somehow instead? 03:05 dcook Afternoon #koha 03:06 wajasu joltt: let me try your settings. 03:07 joltt thanks :) 03:07 joltt it's an odd problem for sure - i'm probably doing something wrong somewhere 03:17 wajasu i tried with: 'ABC Hello', author, title and with 3 and 11 point font. i just get the biblio barcode, no fields. let me try som emore things. 03:18 wizzyrea i bet you need to fiddle around with offset 03:19 wizzyrea is this an upgrade from a previous version? 03:19 wizzyrea and also curious why you are running off of master? 03:19 wizzyrea joltt^^ 03:19 wizzyrea hi dcook 03:20 dcook hey wizzyrea :) 03:22 joltt wizzyrea: I saw something in the mailing list that the stable version had label scaling problems so i thought i'd try master to see if it fixed it 03:22 joltt i've played with offset a bit, it's just odd that it's fine for a few and then gradually gets worse 03:22 joltt perhaps i missed the setting i need to fiddle with 03:23 wizzyrea which stable version 03:23 joltt odd about the missing text - the manual says to enclose static text in single quotes to get them outputted 03:23 wizzyrea which stable version did you come from? 03:23 wizzyrea 3.4? 3.6? 3.8? 3.10? 03:24 joltt i think it was 3.10, but i'm trying to see which one was in 'squeeze' in the repo 03:25 wizzyrea ah cool 03:25 * joltt tries to look that up 03:26 joltt yes, 3.10 03:27 wajasu i'm playing with master at the moment. tried to change the template i createdto use a profile that already existed, but no go. 03:28 joltt Here's how mine outputs (I've just recently turned on the grid for testing): http://i.imgur.com/KQcqgGW.png 03:30 wizzyrea and it wasn't working in 3.10 either? 03:31 joltt the static text worked - i was just hoping to fix the drift/overrun issue 03:31 wizzyrea the last time I recall seeing this sort of problem 03:31 wajasu i tried your quoted heading with the default profile/templates . I can export a PDF with that. your template has No profile. 03:31 wizzyrea it had to do with label templates that were created prior to a particular version 03:32 wizzyrea like, when moving from a 3.2 created template to the labels creator in 3.4 03:32 joltt hmm, should I delete and try to recreate the entry after updating? 03:32 joltt although I was using 3.10.. not 3.2 03:32 wizzyrea the problem i saw, and this was ages ago 03:32 wizzyrea was that the offset was incorrect 03:32 wizzyrea have you tried removing the offset altogether? I'm trying to remember how we fixed it 03:33 joltt sorry - where is the offset located? 03:33 wajasu offset is in the profile. but in master i can't select a profile when creating a template. 03:34 wajasu maybe in 3.2 you can 03:34 joltt ah; i haven't made any profiles 03:34 wizzyrea right - that's where you set the offset and creep 03:34 wizzyrea creep I think is what you are seeing 03:34 wizzyrea you might poke about in there 03:34 wizzyrea try some things 03:35 wizzyrea actually I may be thinking of "creep" 03:35 joltt ah okay 03:35 joltt what values should I try for creep? 03:35 wizzyrea sorry for the confusion ^.^ 03:35 wizzyrea dunno, how much is it off by at the end of the page? 03:36 wizzyrea start with 1 point, and see what your results are - it's probably going to require a lot of experimentation 03:36 * joltt nods 03:37 wizzyrea but those settings are likely what's tripping you up. 03:37 druthb o/ 03:39 joltt hmm, now it's lining up on the bottom but not the top 03:39 joltt thanks for the direction, i'll play with it some more 03:44 wizzyrea sure :) 03:44 wizzyrea recipe aside, does the basckground on this page make your eyes go funny? http://www.food.com/recipe/lancaster-county-ham-loaf-wow-wow-wow-47850 03:45 * druthb squints 03:45 joltt the odd thing is it prints fine in word with their 5160 template 03:46 druthb ...but the recipe looks delish, wizzyrea 03:47 wizzyrea that's not odd at all. Word has 30 years of people complaining about offset behind it. 03:47 joltt oops 03:47 joltt true (re: word) 03:48 joltt hm, so i've set creep to 1pt (and numerous values around 1pt) and that seems to fix the bottom portion but break the top 03:49 wizzyrea and what about a printer profile set with 0's as the creep and offset? 03:49 * wizzyrea can't remember if no profile = a profile with 0 set in the offset 03:49 wizzyrea but it's possible it doesn't 03:49 * joltt tries 03:50 joltt hmm, perhaps closer 03:51 joltt i need to increase the top margin though 03:51 wizzyrea that is in the template :) 03:52 joltt the odd thing is when printing using 'actual size' (adobe printing options) the 'guide' is cut off the left a bit 03:52 joltt (in the print preview that is) 03:53 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @nengard: "tonight I got to go to the Magic Kingdom with a librarian friend I met through the #kohails community ... how cool is that??!!" 03:56 joltt it works! 03:56 joltt all text is on the labels now 03:56 joltt the only issue is the barcode isn't centered properly 03:56 joltt but other than that it looks fantastic 03:58 joltt here's a picture of what i'm seeing now: http://i.imgur.com/eFtY5eq.jpg 03:59 joltt perhaps i'm missing a setting or a number for the barcode bit? 03:59 wizzyrea \o/ 04:00 wizzyrea hm not sure 04:00 joltt thanks though - this a huge leap forward 04:00 joltt :) 04:00 wizzyrea you're welcome :) 04:01 wizzyrea was it creating a printer profile with 0's in the offset and creep? 04:01 druthb wizzyrea++ 04:01 wizzyrea that ultimately solved your creep issue? 04:01 joltt seems so! 04:01 wizzyrea it occurs to me that we should make sure a default one is installed. 04:02 wizzyrea with 0's instead of null. 04:02 wizzyrea or make the code treat null as 0, I suppose is another solution. 04:02 wizzyrea anyway, if someone cares to make a bug for that 04:02 wizzyrea feel free to :) 04:02 wizzyrea I have to jet :) 04:03 joltt see you and thanks again! 04:03 joltt wizzyrea++ 04:04 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard I was going to work on bug 9534 but it probably makes little sense to do that before those buttons are converted to bootstrap - if you have a patch for that I'll use it to add the cancel button - or if you're not working on it I will go ahead and do the conversion of that page myself (or save it for corey) 04:04 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 05:50 Oak kia ora #koha 05:51 cait hi Oak 05:51 Oak hello cait :) 05:51 Oak magnuse 05:52 druthb Salaam alyakum, Oak! :) 05:52 Oak Walaikum Asalam druthb :) 05:52 druthb :) 05:53 druthb G'day, BobB! 06:06 * BobB waves at druthb 06:06 druthb :) 06:11 dcook adios #koha 06:13 wajasu me wonders if there should be something like "biblioauthorites" in the marc framework. or else expose the $9 RLIN authids in the opac-detail.pl 06:15 * druthb shudders. 06:16 * druthb has enough trouble explaining authorities to library staff; she wouldn't *dream* of foisting it on patrons. 06:17 cait wajasu: what for? 06:18 wajasu i need to get the authors links to search with the an=10 instead of au=Joe style since i use UseTracings forAuthorities 06:19 druthb Does UseAuthoritiesForTracings syspref not do that for authors in the OPAC? 06:20 cait wajasu: it already works like this 06:20 cait apart from facets 06:20 wajasu i guess i need to iterate the $9 in the biblio and expose it tinthe template 06:20 wajasu i see .../cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=au:Calvin,%20Jean, 06:20 cait I think you are thinking too complicated 06:20 cait are you uing xslt view? 06:21 wajasu but the XSLT uses an=number 06:21 cait but wasn't that what you said? 06:23 wajasu without XSLT, it searches without the RLINm which i would expect it to do. 06:23 wajasu bug 9563 06:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9563 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Author links don't generate correct search query url for UseAuthoritesForTracings 06:23 wajasu using RLIN seems to return more results 06:24 cait so why are you not using the xslt views? 06:24 wajasu i shall now. 06:25 wajasu i just migrated from 3.0 and only got my auths all correct. 06:29 wajasu yes. XSLT is better. 06:30 wajasu more authors shown. 06:31 wajasu maybe i can get 245c shown. statement of responsibility 06:32 cait you will have to make your own xslt templates for that 06:32 cait there are prefs you can link your own stylesheets in 06:35 wajasu thx 06:35 * wajasu gnight folks 06:45 * magnuse waves 06:57 magnuse reserve.reserve_id is not available to be put in the HOLD_PRINT message? i have a library asking after that. shouldn't be too hard, i guess 07:05 cait magnuse: maybe make the whole reserve table available if it's not? some of the dates might be interesting 07:07 magnuse a lot of the fields seem to be available 07:08 magnuse but so far it was just a question if it was possible to replace the name of the borrower with a reserve id, to make pickups more anonymous 07:11 magnuse gah, DUE messages without bibliographic info is still being sent from one of my instances... 07:17 cait magnuse: :( 07:17 cait and it's not because it was used in overdue triggers? 07:17 cait magnuse: we have libraries here doing that 07:17 cait generating an id for pickup location 07:17 magnuse no, i fixed that 07:18 cait not sure how they do it, I think some have a quite complicated algorithm, ohters use the cardnumber 07:18 magnuse yeah, you'd think cardnumber should be ok 07:18 cait that way all the books are in one place to be picked up - but people see them all together, so might be less anonymous 07:22 magnuse [off] ah, looks like the library might have reverted the settings i changed for DUE... 07:32 Viktor Hi! 07:34 Viktor I'm a bit stuck on something that is probably easy. Can I force a new page in the HOLD_PRINT notice? 07:36 Viktor I would like to keep the regular notice (that is sent to the patron), but also print a custom page that is inserted into the book with just branchcode, initials and borrowernumber so that books on hold can be placed in the library for patrons to pick up by themselves. 07:37 Viktor This would of course require that the slip in the book is somewhat anonymized and I think initials + borrower number might do the trick. 07:43 Viktor Might be to early for my timezone and to late for others though :) 07:44 reiveune hello 07:46 magnuse bonjour reiveune and Viktor 07:46 Viktor Hi magnuse! 07:47 reiveune hi magnuse , cait :) 07:47 Viktor Hi reiveune 07:47 cait hi Viktor :) 07:47 Viktor Hi cait! 07:47 magnuse Viktor: i guess you could make the message so long that it "spills" over onto a second page 07:47 reiveune Bonjour Viktor 07:48 magnuse not sure if there are any clever characters you can insert to force a page break 07:49 Viktor Yes that would be quite possible. But it would feel better to do it "right" 07:49 Viktor :) 07:49 Viktor Question is then how the text is sent to the printer. 07:49 magnuse but would not most "come and pick up your hold" messages be sent by email anyway? 07:50 Viktor Right you are magnuse 07:51 Viktor Am I forgetting something obvious? How do people handle books on hold? All places I have worked put a slip with borrorwer, title and date into the book when it goes into the shelf. 07:51 magnuse that has been my experience too 07:52 Viktor That is a note you need even if you e-mail the patron that the book is available. And this is the note I want to customize :) 07:52 cait magnuse: for pagebreaks - check out bywaters blog 07:52 cait there was something there 07:53 Viktor (gah - my mouse just issued a "back" command. Had to reconnect) 07:53 cait Viktor: Ithink you don't want Holds_print for this - because that's only for patrons that don't have emails - but reserve slip 07:53 Viktor So: bywaters blog is the best bet? 07:53 Viktor Looking for it! 07:53 cait and for pagebreaks I think there was something ther, but haven't read it, onyl rmember the headline 07:53 magnuse http://blip.tv/bywater-solutions-tv/adding-page-breaks-to-printable-overdue-notices-in-koha-6513217 07:53 cait and now I have to run out :) 07:53 cait bbl :) 07:54 magnuse i think that is just relevant for printable overdues, that are put in a file you can edit 07:54 Viktor You are all wonderful people! :D 07:55 Viktor Thanks! 07:55 Viktor It's even worth installing Flash on the new computer to watch that :) 07:56 Viktor Oh - have to close Safari to install Flash. Will have to watch it after done chatting. 07:57 * magnuse will have to run off for a while 07:57 Viktor On another note: I try to blog as much as I can during the current migration (with some development) here in Sweden as Hylte is the first public library to migrate to Koha in sweden. 07:58 magnuse Viktor++ 07:58 Viktor It's in Swedish though - would it be relevant to translate a post with our "wishlist" with stuff that we will add, modify or look for in Koha? 07:58 alex_a bonjour 07:58 Viktor bonjour alex_a 07:59 alex_a bonjour Viktor 07:59 Viktor Just as a service to the community - give some feedback on what libraries here think is missing. (We do have funds to fix some of the stuff ourselves) 08:01 Joubu hello #koha 08:03 Viktor Hi joubu! 08:04 magnuse Viktor: yeah, that sounds like a good idea! 08:05 Viktor Will try to do that then! Might try to do a few follow up posts too for the community. 08:16 kf good morning #koha 08:22 gaetan_B hello 08:22 wahanui salut, gaetan_B 08:24 kf hi gaetan_B 08:27 gaetan_B hallo kf, ich habe mich mit herrn Neubauer unterhaltet. Alles klar ! 08:29 kf schön :) 08:53 christophe_c hello #koha 09:08 magnuse bonjour christophe_c Oak Viktor 09:09 christophe_c bonjour magnuse 09:12 Oak Bonjour magnuse 09:12 magnuse Oak 09:14 magnuse @wunder marseille 09:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (9:30 AM CET on March 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 09:14 magnuse @wunder boo 09:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (9:50 AM CET on March 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). 09:55 Viktor A sort of general question - how do you solve booking of rooms, computers etcetra? 09:56 Viktor I don't know of any such functions in Koha and I'm trying to figure out what could be done. Is there for instance any API to call the system and ask if a certain cardnumber + pincode is correct? 09:57 Viktor (I don't think so, but I need the collective wisdom here) 10:00 kf Viktor: you mean a way to authenticate? 10:00 kf I think ils-di might be able to do it, or the new thing rangi wrote for persona or sip2 10:00 Viktor indeed so kf - that would be a good start. 10:01 kf I think authentication should not be so problematic - some services already do that afaik 10:01 kf like overdrive 10:01 kf Viktor: you shoudl really get a real irc client... you know ;) 10:02 Viktor Yes I do know :( I just lost that line you sent me with all the info. 10:02 kf (10:58:09) kf: I think ils-di might be able to do it, or the new thing rangi wrote for persona or sip2 10:02 Viktor Thanks! 10:02 Viktor Now copying - carfully :) 10:02 kf there shoudl be some options 10:02 kf but reserving itself can not be done in koha now - not for an exact time and like 2 hours 10:02 magnuse i think ils-di would be good for that 10:03 kf like you would want for rooms 10:03 kf magnuse: I think it requires clear text or something, must be checked if it's safe 10:04 Viktor Great to hear kf magnuse 10:04 Viktor Then you might be able to hook up a third party system to Koha. That seems like a far cheaper option than trying to build booking of computers as a part of Koha 10:05 magnuse yeah 10:05 kf Viktor: maybe take a look at libki or similar 10:05 magnuse sounds like something you would want to do outside koha 10:05 kf [off] http://libki.org/ 10:06 Viktor Thanks! That looks like what I need! 10:06 magnuse [off] http://demo.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl - see AuthenticatePatron etc 10:07 Viktor I've been using a regular XP-machine with R-kiosk add on to autostarting Firefox for self-service. But public Internet machines require a bit more :) 10:08 Viktor Get-availability is useful too! I need that to hook up availability to the national catalogue. Great to find out it's already implemented. 10:09 magnuse for administering access to public computers, also checkout https://github.com/digibib/mycel from Oslo Public Library 10:10 Viktor Wonderful! magnuse They are using a paid software in Hylte today that is still causing trouble after a few years. Might be time to make a switch. 10:11 magnuse sounds like it! :-) 10:15 viktorsarge_ Ok - so trying out XChat on OS X. Have I overlooked something that makes me look stupid? :) 10:16 viktorsarge_ (Apart from being logged in with two nicks) 10:27 magnuse Viktor: looks good :-) 10:28 Viktor :) 10:34 kf yep 10:34 kf looks good :) 11:41 ambz Hi all. 11:42 allora hi all 11:42 ambz Need some help. I'm trying to run the commands here: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/resetzebra.html 11:43 ambz I get "[fatal] Cannot read config /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-authorities-dom.cfg" 11:43 ambz and similar error for /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg 11:43 allora is it possible upload pdf file related to marc record when cataloging an item or upload cover photo? 11:44 ambz I've already truncated the tables mentioned at: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/resetkohadb.html 11:44 magnuse allora: you can upload covers, but not attach pdf 11:44 ambz Any idea why the zebra cfg files are missing? 11:45 magnuse allora: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/catalogtools.html#uploadlocalimages 11:46 allora thanks alot 11:47 kf ambz: they are probably not missing but have wrong permissions 11:47 kf ambz: never run those commands with sudo 11:47 kf what's the reason you look at documentation for an old version of Koha? 11:47 ambz they're missing... i checked 11:48 ambz oh ok... i ran them as root 11:48 ambz i'll try again as a normal user 11:48 kf 3.8 is also old 11:48 wahanui okay, kf. 11:48 kf hm 11:48 kf well not really old :) 11:48 kf forget 3.8 11:48 wahanui kf: I forgot 3.8 11:49 ambz kf, when i go to "about koha" in the staff client, it shows this as the version: 11:49 ambz 3.08.09.000 11:49 kf ah ok 11:49 kf is this a new installation you did? 11:49 kf did it work before? 11:49 ambz yes, it's working fine 11:49 ambz question: what version is 3.08.09.000... is it koha 3.8? 11:50 kf yes 11:50 kf that's right 11:50 wahanui I know. 11:50 kf sorry, it's not really old, just not the newest version 11:50 ambz ok... it's a bit misleading, why not just have the version as "3.8" in "about koha" ? 11:51 ambz kf, ah ok 11:51 ambz i chose 3.8 because i read somewhere that it's a more stable and reliabel version than the newer versions 11:52 * ambz runs those commands without sudo 11:52 allora I strongly need pdf attachment for e-books for my institution's publications :( 11:52 kf allora: I think there has been something int he works 11:52 kf but it didn't amke it in yet 11:53 drojf good day #koha 11:53 kf hi drojf 11:53 drojf hi kf 11:53 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 11:53 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 9.7°C (12:43 PM CET on March 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 11:54 kf allora: there is a but somewhere in bugzilla, you can also always use links to your documents 11:54 kf allora: a digital repository software might be a better place to store the data even, then link to that from your records in Koha 11:55 kf bug 6874 11:55 ambz kf, those files really are missing :( 11:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , File upload in MARC 11:55 kf hm 11:55 kf ambz: which files exactly? 11:56 kf do you know how the installation was done? using packages? tarball? standard or dev installations? the file paths and how search is configured vary a bit 11:56 ambz i used ubuntu packages 11:56 allora yeah i know, but we have around 300 e-books and we don't want to use repository 11:57 kf ambz: ok, then don't work from the manual 11:57 kf ambz: what was your initial problem? 11:58 kf and this http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/resetkohadb.html is for resetting the database - it will have deleted all the records and items if you did - so there might be nothing to search for right now 11:59 ambz kf, yes, i want to start afresh, with truncated tables 12:00 kf ok, there are a lot more table 12:00 ambz but my zebra index is still populated... i can still search for books etc which have been deleted from the db 12:00 kf this instruction will only reset koha if you have used sample data and want to undo that - it'squite specific 12:00 kf if you really want a fresh start 12:00 kf creating a new instance or dropping the database might be better 12:01 Oak kf++ 12:01 ambz kf, cool i'll do that... after i drop the db, is there a way to recreate the entire schema? 12:01 kf ambz: you need to resetthe index - you truncated the data - the search does not know about that 12:01 kf yes, the web installer will come p again 12:01 ambz kf, right... how do i reset the zebra index? 12:01 kf -r I think 12:01 kf not sure about the packages - hmm. 12:02 ambz hmm ok... lemme try resetting the zebra index 12:02 kf maybe this is helpful: 12:02 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages 12:02 ambz kf, so i shouldn't run the zebra commands as root, correct? 12:02 kf not sure with packages - there is w hole set of build in commands 12:03 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-rebuild-zebra < this might be what you want 12:03 kf with -f 12:03 ambz great! let me try koha-rebuild-zebra 12:04 ambz ok, that didn't work 12:05 kf did you get an error? 12:05 ambz i ran " koha-rebuild-zebra -f library" where 'library' is the name of my koha instance 12:05 kf I think with packages better stick to the package related commands 12:05 ambz no error, no troubleshooting messages, nothing 12:05 kf hm -v? 12:06 ambz ok that helped 12:07 ambz i see a lot of 12:07 ambz ==================== REINDEXING zebra ==================== ==================== CLEANING 12:07 kf ah that's not bad I think 12:07 kf should be good actually 12:07 ambz yes, but i can still search for books in the UI 12:07 kf hm 12:08 kf maybe try running with -r - not sure it works, but maybe worth a try 12:08 ambz cool, i'll also try restarting zebra 12:08 kf you can't open the detail pages, right? 12:08 ambz kf, correct, "The record you requested does not exist (3)." 12:08 ambz i can't open them 12:09 kf yep 12:09 kf that's always a sign that the record has been deleted and that the index is not current 12:09 ambz ok 12:10 ambz I also tried, " sudo koha-restart-zebra library"... didn't help 12:10 kf you did the -r? 12:11 kf try -v -v next to get more verbose output 12:13 ambz yes, here's the output: http://mibpaste.com/703vOy 12:16 ambz Any idea why this could happen? http://mibpaste.com/tzOzKk 12:21 ambz Anyways, thanks a lot for your help, kf... 12:21 ambz Really appreciate it :) 12:22 ambz I tried rebooting the machine (lol) and it didn't help one bit :) 12:31 ndroftheline hey all, do you think koha is overkill for a rural high school in a developing country without a trained librarian? 12:35 drojf ndroftheline: are you willing to learn? :) 12:39 ambz ndroftheline: i had the same question a month ago when i was evaluating koha for a small library for a non-profit organization, which also lacks a trained librarian... and i am really happy that we chose to use koha :) 12:39 ambz and we're also in a "developing country" 12:40 ambz but yes, there's a learning curve as drojf indicated... you have to be willing to learn a lot of new stuff 12:40 ambz it helps that the community here is really helpful :) 12:40 magnuse but once you learn that stuff, you have an "industrial strength" ils with a lot of bells and whistles ;-) 12:41 ambz magnuse: yeah :D 12:41 kf sorry, quite busy ambz - hope you can solve it 12:42 ndroftheline can anyone compare to a simpler system like openbiblio? 12:42 ambz kf, no problem, buddy... thanks for your help... i'm creating a new instance as you suggested (much easier and gets the job done) :) 12:44 * ambz is loving mibbit 12:47 * ambz is also loving koha 12:54 kf :) 12:55 tcohen_ so, kf's birthday is gone today 13:01 ambz has anyone used oclc/worldcat z39.50 servers for cataloging? (http://www.oclc.org/en-europe/z3950.html) 13:02 ambz it looks very enticing, but i don't think it's a free service, right? 13:11 jcamins ambz: it is an incredibly expensive service. 13:11 jcamins A few libraries use the OCLC Z39.50 servers, but most use Connexion and upload the records to Koha, I think. 13:14 oleonard Hi #koha 13:17 tcohen hi oleonard 13:35 magnuse jcamins: Bug 9250 is signed off and i did a followup for koha-common.xml. should it be "signed off" or "needs signoff", because of the followup? 13:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages 13:36 jcamins Signed off is fine. 13:36 magnuse cool, thanks 13:40 wajasu for coding standards. can i return? @lines or must it be \@lines 13:41 tcohen the semantics is quite different, isnt' 13:42 jcamins It is very different. 13:42 jcamins If you have a choice of using either, use \@lines. 13:43 tcohen i'd use \@lines to avoid copy operations 13:43 jcamins Exactly. 13:44 wajasu i replaced text::wrap with a subroutine that wraps proportionally for barcode labels to get more words per line, as it was using a fixed char width. 13:47 ambz jcamins, thanks for the info 13:56 tcohen wajasu: if you r about to pass references to memory structures, be carefull to avoid aliasing 13:59 drojf hej Viktor you got a real irc client now? :) 14:14 chris_n wajasu++ 14:15 chris_n for ripping out text::wrap 14:20 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @nengard: "Today I am training librarians how to use #kohails while at Team Disney! How cool is that??!! Thanks Disney for the training room!" 14:24 fabio_t Hello #koha! 14:24 chris_n does anyone have any ntyprof times handy for calls to XML::LibXML::findvalue on marcxml data in koha? 14:25 chris_n XML::LibXML::Node::findvalue rather 14:28 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "Off to perth today, to talk about #kohails at #plwaconf" 14:28 kf oi awake early 14:29 senator @wunder ypph 14:29 huginn senator: The current temperature in Gooseberry Hill, Gooseberry Hill, Western Australia is 19.0°C (9:35 PM WST on March 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 14:29 fabio_t I have a problem with retrieving item information via Koha OAI-PMH server 14:29 kf fabio_t: it does not work with itmes currently I think 14:32 fabio_t I successfully made a mapping with 995 (mine is an UNIMARC installation) to define an OAI set 14:32 kf fabio_t: I think the mappings are different from the output 14:32 kf the mappings define the records in the set - iirc 14:32 fabio_t and I ran into this: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6440 14:32 huginn 04Bug 6440: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, CLOSED FIXED, Koha's OAI-PMH does not support sets 14:33 fabio_t oh 14:33 kf we also noticed that no item information is output currently, I think it woudl not be hard to do 14:34 kf but it might not be a bug but an enhancement 14:34 fabio_t ok 14:34 kf youc oudl file a bug 14:34 fabio_t I was wondering if it was a matter of XSLT 14:35 fabio_t maybe something wrong in UNIMARCslim2OAIDC.xsl 14:35 kf I think it might have to do with the changes made on storing items 14:35 kf but I have not investigated yet 14:36 fabio_t ok so the problem could be on the database level 14:37 kf it's a bit complicated, not really the database 14:37 kf if waht I think is right 14:37 kf *shrug* 14:37 kf Ithink the best starting point would be a bug 14:38 fabio_t I figured out since the mapping on item worked, there could be just a problem in on the fly conversion from UNIMARC to Dublin Core - I was wrong 14:39 fabio_t thanks anyway for helping 14:39 kf hm 14:39 kf not sure, but I guess the info is missing too if you look at the xml format? 14:39 fabio_t nice point 14:39 kf it could have different reasons - I didn't wnt to be confusing... just confirming that we have noticed it too 14:40 fabio_t I'm going to retrieve data with marcxml instead of oai_dc and I'll know you 14:40 fabio_t * I let you know 14:42 fabio_t yes, you're right 14:43 fabio_t no 995 in marcxml aswell 14:47 fabio_t I will file a bug 14:47 fabio_t thanks again kf 14:47 fabio_t kf++ 14:47 kf hm didn't do much :) 14:48 fabio_t I googled and I didn't find these "insider" informations 14:48 fabio_t so you definitely helped me 14:48 fabio_t :) 14:49 kf :) 14:49 fabio_t have a nice day 14:49 fabio_t see you #koha 14:49 kf wb drojf 14:49 drojf back 14:49 kf bye fabio_t 14:49 drojf thanks kf :) 14:50 drojf can#t believe i had lunch outside in the sun 14:52 kf :) 14:52 kf sun? 14:52 wahanui it has been said that sun is shining again - life is good! 14:52 magnuse sun? 14:52 wahanui sun is shining again - life is good! 14:53 * magnuse has a funny looking snow drift outside his window that is fast approaching 1m in height... 14:57 kf um 15:04 magnuse it is extremely narrow, though 15:07 magnuse in http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/retrieval-info-bib-grs1.xml;h=f1f8898650bbdcbe9a20c67c9fc0fea7223475f8;hb=HEAD - does <retrieval syntax="xml" name="utils"> and <xslt stylesheet="__INTRANET_TMPL_DIR__/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slimUtils.xsl"/> make any kind of sense? 15:07 magnuse isn't MARC21slimUtils.xsl just "functions" that are used by other stylesheets? 15:08 kf hm yes you have to refer it I think? 15:08 kf not sure how the conf file works really 15:10 magnuse looks like gmcharlt put those lines in there... 15:10 * oleonard prepares his blaming finger 15:14 drojf using a ! in search not working is not my fault, right? i suppose it's like the () problem? 15:16 kf I'd guess so 15:17 * kf is optimistic to pass qa on the query parser sometime this week 15:17 drojf "plaît!" works, plaît! does not 15:17 drojf yay query parser 15:19 nengard hi #koha say hi to FL librarians learning Koha :) 15:19 drojf hi FL librarians learning koha :) 15:20 magnuse hi FL librarians learning koha 15:20 oleonard Hi from Ohio, FL librarians 15:21 magnuse mine was a "hi" from norway, btw :-) 15:21 nengard I tell them where you're all from as you say hi 15:22 drojf nengard has mickey mouse ears 15:22 nengard YEP 15:22 libsysguy http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2013/03/clean-your-room.html 15:22 oleonard FL librarians: If you ever come here and all we're talking about is food, don't hesitate to break in with a Koha-related question 15:22 nengard these librarians will fit right in 15:23 nengard Kelly tried to fatten me up yesterday :) 15:23 kf hi FL librarians 15:23 drojf bring recipes! 15:23 libsysguy oleonard is right, we have an unnatural obsession with cookies 15:23 drojf there is a bug for that too ;) 15:23 kf and that was from Germany (reading slow today) 15:23 oleonard It's a perfectly natural obsession libsysguy 15:23 nengard kelly logging in ? she'll be here in a sec 15:23 libsysguy denial oleonard 15:24 libsysguy :p 15:24 kmccallister Hi! FL librarian here..send the cookie recipes my way :) 15:25 jcamins curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies? 15:25 wahanui curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are at http://www.cookiemadness.net/2009/05/curry-coconut-oatmeal-chocolate-chip-cookies/ 15:25 jcamins kmccallister: ^^ 15:25 kf hm interesting. we don't show 520 in xslt? 15:25 kf oh sorry - cookies! 15:26 nengard kf yes we do 15:26 kf i thought we did :) 15:26 jcamins kf: yes we do. 15:26 slef co-operatives were created to supply cookie ingredients 15:26 kmccallister Nutella Brownie recipe: http://www.thatssoyummy.com/recipes/nutella-brownies-recipe/ 15:26 kf ok... typoed - I found it :) 15:26 nengard this is so much fun 15:27 nengard much more fun that learning cataloging :) 15:27 * kf didn't accidentally search for 530... 15:27 Mpeul Hello <-- FL librarian :) 15:27 magnuse hiya Mpeul 15:27 magnuse ...and kmccallister 15:28 kmccallister Hi magnuse! 15:28 alohabot Hi mib_ssj4bc, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 15:28 * oleonard crosses his fingers 15:28 kmccallister thanks! we are so excited about Koha and love nicole!! 15:29 nengard awwww 15:29 magnuse hooray for nengard! 15:30 nengard :) 15:30 nengard okay we should get back to work 15:31 magnuse nah, more cookies! 15:31 nengard when do they arrive? 15:31 Mpeul agreed! 15:31 magnuse bug 5158 15:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, camins, ASSIGNED , Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors 15:32 nengard ha 15:32 magnuse there's a bug for that... 15:34 * oleonard comforts alohabot 15:34 oleonard It's okay buddy, one of these days... 15:34 drojf lol 15:35 nengard quote: "the cataloging system seems super easy and a lot more self explanatory than the system we have been using" 15:35 nengard WOW ^^ 15:36 magnuse yay! 15:52 nengard hey did anyone notice that IRSpy seems to say 'untested' for a ton of targets? 15:52 nengard sites that I used in the past cause they said 100% now say 'untested' 15:52 nengard anyone know what's up with that? 15:53 jcamins nengard: I'd guess they refreshed their database. 15:53 oleonard Maybe they do periodic re-testing and ratings get re-set? 15:53 jcamins The tests are done one at a time, I think, so if they are retesting everything, it could be months before they catch up. 15:56 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @normnz: ""@ranginui: Off to perth today, to talk about #kohails at #plwaconf" me too. Do people sail in Perth?" 15:56 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "#kohails training quote: "this is amazing stuff"" 16:08 reiveune bye 16:38 rambutan @seen chrisn 16:38 huginn rambutan: I have not seen chrisn. 16:38 rambutan @seen cnighswonger 16:38 huginn rambutan: I have not seen cnighswonger. 16:39 jcamins @seen chris_n 16:39 huginn jcamins: chris_n was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <chris_n> XML::LibXML::Node::findvalue rather 16:41 rambutan tnx, gonna try to catch him on freenode 17:15 gaetan_B bye ! 17:44 tcohen XML::Twig 17:52 jlozano hello, everyone! 17:52 oleonard Hi jlozano 17:53 jlozano anybody know a free dewey number generator? 17:54 oleonard What is a dewey number generator? 17:54 jlozano sorry, not really a Koha question I guess. 17:55 jlozano yeah, so if you are using the Dewey Decimal System, when you get a book it gives you the number you should give it. 17:55 jlozano like ...000 re general knowledge. 17:55 jlozano 100 are psychology and Philosphy. 17:57 rambutan so how does that work? You feed it the title of a book or the ISBN and it returns the correct Dewey number? So it would be more like a lookup table? 17:57 jlozano umm. kind of.. so for example. 17:57 jlozano The writings of Mark Twain 17:58 jlozano gets: 818.4 T911W 17:58 oleonard jlozano: How would that work without a complete catalog of all titles in existence? 17:58 jlozano 8 because its Literature. 17:58 jlozano and the rest is based on author 17:58 jlozano and the last number is based on the title. 17:59 jlozano so it's kind of a formula to get the number. 17:59 jlozano http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification 18:00 jlozano so you get software to do it for you. 18:00 oleonard jlozano: Do you have an example of non-free software which does this? 18:02 oleonard jlozano: What you describe sounds like cataloging. 18:02 jlozano yeah, Sirsi Dynex has it. 18:02 jlozano It's most definitely cataloging. 18:03 jlozano it tells you where to put the book in the shelves. 18:03 jlozano (if you are using Dewey) 18:03 oleonard jlozano: Yes, I know what the Dewey Decimal System is. 18:04 jlozano I didn't mean to elude you didn't, I'm sorry. 18:07 jlozano I guess the question that originally brought that up because we want to switch to koha but can't really get the dewey numbers 18:15 rambutan jlozano: so you clearly want something less than the marc record, which can be downloaded from various places, right? 18:21 oleonard I'm I crazy to think that a computer cannot automatically generate a Dewey number out of thin air? 18:22 rambutan donno, there are some good programmers out there 18:24 rambutan http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061118230659AAVgJeb 18:27 rambutan @later tell jlozano http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061118230659AAVgJeb 18:27 huginn rambutan: The operation succeeded. 18:27 rambutan looks to me like the link to the LoC provides what he wants, but I'm not a cataloger, nor even a librarian 18:27 tcohen i found several papers on dewey algorithms optimization 18:28 rambutan http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?PAGE=sbSearch&SEQ=20130305132351&PID=BG09kam2DvJVObj1Y5ayFWLZpvkFe 18:29 oleonard rambutan: Did you expect that to return search results? 18:31 magnuse yay for the shiny new buttons in 3.11 18:32 drojf Unable to look up git.koha-community.org (port 9418) (Name or service not known 18:32 drojf is that just me? 18:32 magnuse works for me 18:32 magnuse (in a web browser) 18:33 tcohen no problem from command-line here 18:33 drojf hm no it must be something with the vm 18:33 drojf thanks for trying 18:33 drojf i cannot even ping anything 18:33 * magnuse waves to cait 18:33 tcohen is david cook around? 18:34 magnuse @seen dcook 18:34 huginn magnuse: dcook was last seen in #koha 12 hours, 23 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <dcook> adios #koha 18:34 tcohen he showed some interest in testing bug 9659 18:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports 18:34 * cait waves back 18:35 tcohen hi cait 18:35 drojf n'abend cait 18:48 cait :) 18:58 rambutan oleonard: link above had some auto generated session info, I can't find the base page or reconstruct how I got there, sorry. But on that page, if I plug in "Gone With the Wind" 18:58 rambutan I get info including the call number. 18:59 rambutan ah: http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First 19:18 bgkriegel hello 19:23 oleonard Hi bgkriegel 19:35 jcamins oleonard: computers cannot assign DDC numbers when given the name of the book, but they can look up the number mapped to a particular subject. 19:35 oleonard I wonder if that's what jlozano was talking about... 19:36 jcamins I think it was. 19:37 oleonard Wouldn't such software have to be licensed by OCLC? 19:37 jcamins It would, yes. 19:37 jcamins The answer is "no, there is no free software, and never will be." 19:38 * jcamins would sugggest that perhaps some of the money being saved on the ILS should go toward Cataloger's Desktop. 19:38 jcamins Except he's gone. 19:39 * jcamins has a feeling of deja vu. 19:39 jcamins Didn't I already say that? 19:40 ibeardslee a glitch in the matrix? 19:42 nengard hi all, is there a way to find out what type of koha install a system is on? 19:42 magnuse nengard: you mean packages, tarball etc? 19:43 nengard or dev/git - yes 19:44 nengard so i'm on the server and was going to do a git pull 19:44 jcamins Only if you have access to the server. 19:44 nengard but don't want to break anything if it was not a git install 19:44 nengard yeah i'm on the server 19:44 jcamins Oh. 19:44 jcamins Well, you can check if it's a package install by running `koha-list` 19:44 jcamins If it lists your instance, it's a package install. 19:45 jcamins Or you could simply look in your Apache config, which is what I would do. 19:45 jcamins (if you prefer not to do that, you can probably conclude that it's a standard install if you do not have a koha-list command and do have something in /usr/share/koha 19:46 nengard in which directory 19:47 nengard okay i do have usr/share/koha 19:47 nengard what i guess i need to know is how to find the koha directory? 19:47 nengard like on mine I cd kohaclone 19:47 jcamins Huh? 19:47 magnuse no output from koha-list? 19:48 magnuse mibbit-- ;-) 19:49 nengard how much of thaqt did you get? I was just kicked out 19:49 nengard yeah i'm not on my computer 19:49 magnuse <nengard> in which directory 19:49 magnuse <nengard> okay i do have usr/share/koha 19:49 magnuse <nengard> what i guess i need to know is how to find the koha directory? 19:49 magnuse <nengard> like on mine I cd kohaclone 19:49 magnuse <jcamins> Huh? 19:49 magnuse <magnuse> no output from koha-list? 19:49 nengard koha-koha@WW-R-ITLWDW1K5M:/usr/share/koha$ koha-list bash: koha-list: command not found 19:50 nengard did you get any of what i said about version and disney and such? or was that all lost by mibbit? 19:50 magnuse not a package install then 19:50 magnuse nothing about version or disney 19:50 nengard grrr 19:51 * magnuse gotta run 19:51 jcamins It is not a package install. 19:51 jcamins If you have /usr/share/koha, chances are good it's a standard install. 19:51 jcamins But that is in no way definite. 19:51 jcamins You'd have to either look in the Apache configs -- keeping in mind that they may not help either -- or talk to whoever set it up. 19:52 nengard let me try again 19:52 nengard i'm at disney helping with koha - they want to upgrade and are on version 3.9.4 and want to be on master 19:52 nengard i was going to do a git pull 19:52 nengard but wasn't sure if i should 19:52 nengard and it sounds like i can cause it's not a package install 19:52 nengard the person who set it up has left here 19:52 nengard that's why i was helping :) 19:52 nengard so i do have a usr/share/koha folder 19:52 jcamins It's probably a standard install, then. 19:52 jcamins However, if this is Disney, you can't simply upgrade them. 19:53 nengard so next question - on my install i have a kohaclone folder - but i don't see one of those here 19:53 jcamins They have indexing customizations. 19:53 nengard they do? 19:53 nengard do they know that? :) 19:53 jcamins Pretty sure what's-his-name from Disney sent me a copy at some point. 19:53 nengard david 19:53 jcamins That's the one. 19:53 nengard he's on the phone 19:54 jcamins Ask him A) how he installed Koha, and B) whether they have any customizations. 19:54 jcamins They might not. 19:54 jcamins But I have a recollection of him adding some indexing on 010 for authorities. 19:55 nengard i'll ask him when he hangs up 19:55 nengard and grrr 19:55 nengard okay - he can't save reports cause of a bug in 3.9.4 19:55 nengard so what do i tell him as far as upgrading goes if he can't do aa simple pull? 19:55 nengard a) he didnt' do it - his IT guy who has left did it 19:55 nengard b) will ask in a sec - he's on the phone 19:55 nengard hmmm 19:55 bgkriegel nengard: if there is a file /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log, the installed version is there 19:55 nengard i can probably find that 19:55 nengard isn't there a file i can look for that 19:55 nengard bgkriegel yup that's there 19:56 jcamins Ask him about customizations. 19:56 nengard he's still on phone 19:56 nengard will as soon as he hangs up 19:56 nengard auth index mode is DOM 19:57 nengard according to koha-install-log 19:57 jcamins That was a response to the questio you asked several minutes ago. 19:57 jcamins I have a long delay. 19:57 nengard oh! 19:58 jcamins And the delay comes and goes, so for example I saw David's name right away, but nothing you said after that for several minutes. 19:58 nengard hmm 19:59 jcamins If they don't have any customizations, you can just follow the standard upgrade instructions. 19:59 jcamins If they do, I wouldn't be willing to offer any advice without access to their server. 19:59 nengard jcamins they never got the indexing rule to work 20:00 jcamins In that case, they probably wouldn't care about blowing it away. 20:00 jcamins So, standard upgrade procedure. 20:01 * Guest930 waves 20:02 jcamins Obviously you'll want to make _very_ sure they're certain, and take a backup, because there is no "rollback installation" functionality built into Linux. 20:03 wizzyrea oleonard: re: bug 9534 - do you have a preference? 20:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen 20:03 * wizzyrea saw your comment 20:04 nengard got kicked again 20:04 nengard did someone answer me about where they upgrade instructions were? 20:04 nengard i'm not seeing them searching the wiki 20:04 jcamins INSTALL.debian. They haven't been moved. 20:04 bgkriegel oh, in INSTALL file 20:04 nengard i've never used them :) 20:05 bgkriegel perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log 20:05 nengard what's that gonna do 20:06 bgkriegel nicol, you miss this comment from jcamins "Obviously you'll want to make _very_ sure they're certain, and take a backup, because there is no "rollback installation" functionality built into Linux." 20:06 nengard i have a backup 20:08 bgkriegel well, the command will look you previous selections, and act accordingly 20:08 bgkriegel user, folders, etc 20:13 nengard okay, either i'm just too tired/sick or i'm missing something 20:13 nengard i'm looking at the UPGRADE section of INSTALL.debian 20:13 nengard but I don't see any commands to upgrade 20:14 nengard just to check for dependencies and install template toolkit 20:14 nengard http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;h=4547974952d8730cefc04b570450dc318cc84587;hb=HEAD 20:14 nengard line 321 20:14 wizzyrea no, line 336 20:15 wizzyrea 340 even 20:15 nengard 336 says to install template toolkit 20:15 * wizzyrea was looking at the wrong branch 20:15 nengard oh! 20:15 nengard so, that's a documentation issue :) to the un-educated user that looks like it's part of the installing template toolkit to me 20:15 nengard thank you 20:16 nengard okay - system backed up 20:16 nengard db backed up 20:16 nengard and now i'm just scared to upgrade 20:16 nengard don't want to break this on him 20:16 nengard i've only ever done git fetch 20:16 wizzyrea well... 20:16 nengard well... :) 20:16 wizzyrea welcome to being a system administrator? 20:16 nengard hehe 20:16 nengard which i am not 20:17 wizzyrea you can always give them the instructions and say 20:17 wizzyrea you do this part. 20:17 wizzyrea then it's on them. 20:17 jcamins Every time you upgrade a git install, you need to go through the upgrade procedure. 20:17 wizzyrea unless they are paying YOU to do it, of course 20:18 nengard okay question 20:18 wizzyrea do we have a wiki page about that? 20:18 wahanui well, question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" 20:18 wizzyrea 42. 20:18 nengard i have a backup of the entire system - and a db backup 20:18 nengard if i were to totally screw this up 20:18 nengard can someone walk us/him through restoring from the backup? 20:18 nengard i dont even know how to do that 20:18 jcamins wizzyrea: I doubt it. After all, the instructions say very clearly "UPGRADE." 20:19 wizzyrea no i meant about "how to upgrade a git installation" 20:19 jcamins nengard: I am sure you could pay someone. 20:19 jcamins wizzyrea: right, you follow the exact same instructions. 20:19 nengard when i'm on my VM i type 'git fetch' and then 'git rebase origin' and then go to the browser and upgrade 20:19 wizzyrea I'm not sure that's clear to everybody. 20:19 jcamins Right, that doesn't actually do the whole upgrade. 20:19 nengard i've never typed the commands i see under UPGRADE in that doc 20:19 wizzyrea (obviously) 20:20 jcamins Patches are welcome. 20:20 wizzyrea to be clear I'm not asking you to fix it - I'm only asking if there is work that needs to be done :P 20:20 nengard grrr 20:20 wizzyrea in that area 20:20 nengard keeps kicking me out 20:21 jcamins I would have said "no," because it never occurred to me to ignore the instructions. 20:21 wizzyrea the answer to that, is clearly "yes" 20:21 nengard yes agreed with wizzyrea and i would patch if i understood what was going on :) 20:21 jcamins But... maybe? 20:26 nengard hmmm 20:26 nengard something is funky here 20:26 nengard bash: apt-get install: command not found 20:28 wizzyrea sudo? 20:28 wahanui well, sudo is just so people wont rm -rfrandom stuff or http://xkcd.com/149/ 20:31 wizzyrea also perhaps it's not debian? 20:32 cjh too slow :) 20:35 nengard okay question 20:35 wahanui question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" 20:39 wizzyrea shoot 20:41 nengard grr 20:41 nengard stop that 20:42 nengard were my questions coming through before 20:43 oleonard logs? 20:43 wahanui logs is, like, http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 20:44 nengard am i here 20:44 nengard does mibbit suck? :) 20:44 nengard so mibbit sucks 20:44 nengard okay 20:44 wizzyrea you are here now 20:48 nengard let's try this 20:48 nengard no more mibbit 20:48 nengard so i was trying to ask the following 20:48 nengard where is makefile.pl ? i'm not finding it when i locate -i makefile 20:49 wizzyrea capitalised. 20:49 wizzyrea Makefile.pl 20:49 nengard nothing 20:49 cait it's in your koha directory 20:49 wizzyrea then it's in the root of your kohaclone. 20:49 jcamins Makefile.PL 20:49 cait yep 20:49 wizzyrea PL sorry 20:50 jcamins P and L are capitalized. 20:50 wizzyrea but it says that in the instructions anyway. 20:50 jcamins Wherever you downloaded Koha to, that's where it is. 20:50 nengard where do find the root of kohaclone - remember i didn't install this 20:50 nengard i found usr/share/koha 20:50 wizzyrea I think you should not be attempting this. 20:50 nengard but i don't see kohaclone 20:50 nengard i agree 20:50 nengard but he's gonna ask the same questions 20:50 nengard cause he has no one to upgrade him and he can't save reports 20:50 nengard cause of a bug that was in 3.9.4 20:51 nengard which he's on 20:51 nengard so what do i recommend? 20:51 jcamins A support vendor? 20:51 wizzyrea I recommend that he pay someone to do it (like your esteemed colleagues) 20:51 wizzyrea remember, open source isn't about cost, it's about freedom. 20:51 * jcamins favors C & P, but you might be partial to this other company I've heard of. ;) 20:51 nengard hmmm 20:52 nengard :p 20:52 wizzyrea i mean, the poor fella is on a standard install, that is master 20:52 nengard i agree 20:52 wizzyrea or a previous development version 20:52 nengard he's a one person library 20:52 wizzyrea the other option is 20:52 nengard no budget 20:52 wizzyrea to find the patch 20:52 jcamins I have bad news: I need to put New Zealand in the same category as Australia. 20:52 wizzyrea that fixed it 20:52 wizzyrea the awesome category? 20:53 jcamins Actually, it was the Wine-Australian category. 20:53 jcamins I think I might make it the Wine-Oceania category. 20:53 wizzyrea oh it's like anywhere, there's awesome wine and not awesome wine here. 20:53 wizzyrea and from here. 20:54 wizzyrea but seriously nengard - if their ILS is important, and it always is 20:54 wizzyrea doing it right is worth the money. 20:54 nengard of course 20:54 nengard i agree 20:54 nengard was just trying to be helpful 20:54 nengard if i could 20:54 jcamins Apparently it used to be really hard to develop an expertise in wine in NZ. 20:54 wizzyrea i get that, but I think this is probably not something you want to be responsible for 20:55 wizzyrea and is probably beyond the scope of "free support on the internet" 20:55 jcamins Back in 1985, I don't think they were discussing wine internationally on the internet. 20:55 drojf break it for free, repair it in your spare time 20:56 drojf jcamins: yay for the future we live in 20:57 jcamins drojf: indeed. 20:57 jcamins Not that there's any way to taste wine over IRC. 20:57 jcamins Alas. 20:58 drojf …yet! 20:59 druthb cait and I keep working on a teleportation device. I have the software just about hacked, but she's hit a snag on hardware. 20:59 drojf nengard: wouldn't it be easier to take the data backup, throw away whatever koha that is and install packages? they could probably do that themselves 20:59 wizzyrea yea, it's a lot easier to upgrade packages too 20:59 wizzyrea as in apt-get upgrade koha-common 20:59 wizzyrea easy. 21:00 wizzyrea plus the cron jobs are all taken care of for you 21:00 wizzyrea you only get stable releases 21:00 drojf i walked 20 people through package installation lately, most of them never used linux and/or command line stuff before 21:00 trea that was going to be my suggestion 21:01 * joltt test 21:01 trea dump the data, install on packages, and run the upgrade 21:01 trea problem solved 21:01 nengard okay folks we are on a package install 21:01 wizzyrea ... 21:02 nengard so... 21:02 nengard now ... 21:02 trea sudo apt-get upgrade koha-common 21:02 nengard do i just do that 21:02 wizzyrea what's in your apt-sources.list 21:02 nengard hehe 21:02 nengard i was typing that trea 21:02 * wizzyrea suspects it's not got the main 21:02 wizzyrea but the dev. 21:02 nengard debian.koha-community ? blah blah 21:03 drojf what wizzyrea says 21:03 nengard it's the dev package 21:03 wizzyrea no, the blah blah is important 21:03 drojf the blabla is the important part 21:03 wizzyrea what does it say 21:03 drojf :D 21:03 nengard koha/squeeze-dev 21:03 drojf look 21:04 wizzyrea you probably want squeeze-main 21:04 wizzyrea and the keys changed recently, eythian sent out keys 21:04 wajasu chrin_n: ok. i got proportional font wrap for labels working. i wonder if i should make it so if you specify justify='Center', the left_text-margin is ignored, and only applies to the barcode so that one can center the barcode 21:04 nengard okay but if he just wanted to upgrade what he has now 21:04 nengard then it's just what trea said 21:04 wizzyrea i don't think we're making dev packages right now? 21:04 drojf he does not want taht 21:04 trea but that's still a dev install 21:04 trea why would he do that 21:04 nengard he's a solo librarian it's not a public catalog he just wants the darn thing to let him save reports right now 21:04 nengard i agree with you all 21:04 nengard he should be on stable/main 21:05 wajasu chris_n:ok. i got proportional font wrap for labels working. i wonder if i should make it so if you specify justify='Center', the left_text-margin is ignored, and only applies to the barcode so that one can center the barcode 21:05 nengard but if the only thing i can do for free to help him is upgrade him - will apt-get upgrade do it? 21:05 nengard or are we saying we don't have an updated version of that package 21:05 nengard cause we're not doing it anymore? 21:05 drojf that will give him another weird version 21:05 trea and if you do that, then next time, instead of reports not working it will be something else. 21:05 nengard or am i maiking no sense 21:05 chris_n wajasu: that sounds like a good idea 21:05 * magnuse should have specified "*sudo* koha-list" if you want to check if you are on a package install 21:05 nengard oops 21:05 drojf that cleared that up :D 21:06 chris_n wajasu: thanks for working on that :) 21:06 wizzyrea sure, try it. debian.koha-community.org says that squeeze-dev was last generated 28 feb 21:06 wizzyrea no idea what you'll get though. 21:06 nengard can we upgrade from dev to main? 21:07 wizzyrea eythian would have better advice on that - he's not in yet 21:07 nengard or should we (spitballing here) update the dev package and then when 3.12 comes out start a new machine with stable and keep him stable from there 21:07 nengard this from the linux expert talking over my shoulder :) 21:07 wizzyrea you should always run stable 21:08 nengard how do i get to stable from here then? 21:08 drojf nengard: put in 'deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main', make a apt-get update and then upgrade. that will give you 3.10. if that is 3.9.something now it is a newer version and should be alright. downgrading from dev to older stable would be weird maybe 21:08 nengard that was a suggestion to get to stable eventually - we're open t suggestions 21:09 drojf squeeze is stable 21:09 magnuse nengard: "sudo apt-cache policy koha-common" should tell you what version you get if you upgrade 21:09 nengard i'm on squeeze-dev 21:09 drojf that is why you should change the /etc/apt/source.list entry :) 21:10 nengard magnuse it says 3.9.1 is installed and 3.9.1 is the candidate 21:10 nengard so there is no upgrade? 21:10 wizzyrea (because you are on dev) 21:10 nengard right 21:10 nengard so what drojf said ? that will get me on stable? 21:10 wajasu chris_n: i coded it so if text_wrap_cols = 0, which it isn't now, since its calculated, it will truncate without wrapping, but we'd need to add a way to configure truncation, but thats for another day. 21:11 drojf nengard: yes 21:11 nengard okey dokey 21:11 drojf nengard: and btw i have done that once or twice without problems, i do not recall the versions though 21:11 magnuse nengard: you might need to do "sudo apt-get update" 21:12 magnuse ... if it has not been done in a while 21:12 chris_n wajasu: sounds good 21:13 nengard magnuse and all doing that now 21:13 nengard the update 21:13 wahanui the update is probably good because it tells people a new syspref has been added 21:13 nengard silly bot 21:13 drojf wahanui: forget the update 21:13 wahanui drojf: I forgot update 21:14 * wizzyrea defers to magnuse on things packages 21:14 magnuse eeek! ;-) 21:15 wajasu chris_n: is it worth working on putting support for a unicode font [another patch] (configurable path), and embedding it in the PDF, so we might get diacritics working? or is that too much? 21:15 nengard okay update isn't working ? i get an error: 21:15 drojf new gpg key? 21:16 drojf (just guessing) 21:16 nengard failed to fetch htt://debian.koha-commuinty.org/koha/dists/squeeze0main/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 21:16 nengard oh you did say there were new keys 21:16 chris_n wajasu: it would probably be worth the trouble, but would require having the particular font installed on one's koha server 21:16 cjh nengard: ahh your apt sources entry sounds wrong 21:16 cjh squeeze0main should be squeeze/main 21:16 drojf there shouldn't be a 0 there and it is community 21:16 chris_n wajasu: seems I encountered some resistance to that back in the day 21:16 drojf and http 21:16 jcamins And it should be http:// 21:16 cjh also what drojf mentioned, missed that :) 21:16 jcamins wajasu: do it in two patches if you must. 21:17 chris_n but I'm sure there would be lots of folks who would happily install said fonts if that resolved the issue 21:17 magnuse i agree with drojf: make sure "deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main" is in "/etc/apt/sources.list", then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" should give you 3.10.x 21:17 jcamins There were concerns about dependencies 21:17 chris_n jcamins: in reference to ? 21:17 wajasu two patches of course. 21:18 * chris_n did not read back far enough 21:18 jcamins chris_n: the fonts. 21:18 jcamins They may not be installable. 21:18 jcamins Or something. 21:18 wahanui it has been said that something is wrong.... 21:19 chris_n jcamins: installing fonts would be the user's responsibility 21:19 chris_n we should not put them in the repo I thnk 21:19 chris_n wahanui: forget something 21:19 wahanui chris_n: I forgot something 21:19 wajasu i'd just make it syspref configurable and it would depend on the font/path being available and the user's responsibility (i.e. optional) 21:19 jcamins As long as it will continue to work as it has for people who don't have the fonts, and as long as that's in a separate patch, if it can get signed off and QAed before the freeze, I'll accept it. 21:19 chris_n I took wajasu's suggestion as adding a configurable path syspref 21:20 jcamins Ah. That'd work for me. 21:20 chris_n yes, the current action should be default 21:20 magnuse nengard: and by all means do a mysqldump first :-) 21:20 * magnuse wishes #koha a good $time_of_day 21:21 nengard of course did that already 21:22 drojf magnuse: good night, if that was a goodbye ;) 21:24 nengard okay bash: deb: command not found 21:25 wizzyrea make sure "deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main" is in "/etc/apt/sources.list", 21:25 drojf the line with 'deb' goes into /etc/apt/sources.list 21:25 wizzyrea says magnuse 21:25 drojf not in the command line 21:26 drojf it is supposed to replace the line with koha squeeze-dev blahblah 21:27 nengard oh it's there 21:27 nengard and i think i give up 21:27 nengard thanks guys 21:27 drojf oh. you're so close! 21:27 nengard am i really 21:27 drojf yes 21:27 nengard why do i keep getting errors :( 21:28 nengard okay tell me what to try next 21:28 wizzyrea sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade 21:28 cjh and show us the error :) 21:28 wizzyrea because you keep typing the wrong thing in the wrong place :P 21:28 nengard okay trying again 21:28 wizzyrea or you can omit the && 21:28 wizzyrea and do each one at a time 21:28 wizzyrea sudo apt-get update 21:28 wizzyrea sudo apt-get upgrade 21:29 drojf i think the gpg key changed so that may be good for another error message maybe. but tell us what you get after sudo apt-get update 21:29 wizzyrea yea, you might need a new key 21:29 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "errors for apt-get update" (38 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/418 21:29 nengard errors 21:30 nengard wizzy i did the key thing 21:30 nengard followed the email 21:30 tcohen update your keys 21:30 tcohen wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add - 21:30 nengard did that 21:30 tcohen apt-get update? no errors? 21:30 wizzyrea looks like she doesn't have keys for anything 21:30 drojf ouch that looks… strange 21:31 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "keys" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/419 21:31 wizzyrea looks like you maybe have the GUI update thinger running? 21:31 wizzyrea is there a gui on this machine? 21:31 nengard yes 21:31 wizzyrea do you have software center running? 21:31 wizzyrea or update manager/ 21:31 drojf yeah that has to go 21:31 nengard synaptic is running 21:31 cjh make sure all other package management software is closed 21:31 drojf synaptic or whatever 21:31 wizzyrea make it go away 21:31 nengard okay i did 21:32 nengard now what? 21:32 wahanui rumour has it now is good time with holidays coming up 21:32 drojf repear the last command 21:32 drojf the update one 21:32 nengard k 21:32 drojf repeat even 21:32 nengard hehe 21:32 nengard same errors 21:32 nengard now wait 21:32 wizzyrea exact same? 21:32 nengard no wait 21:33 * wizzyrea suspects they won't be exactly the same 21:33 * cjh hopes it won't be exactly the same 21:33 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "new errors?" (37 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/420 21:33 tcohen there's a background index updater running 21:33 nengard how do i find that? 21:33 tcohen ps -ef | grep apt 21:34 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "grep apt" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/421 21:34 drojf kill it with fire 21:34 tcohen sudo kill -9 1015 ; sudo apt-get update 21:34 drojf what is xapian? 21:34 jcamins A full-text indexer. 21:34 nengard i don't know what is it? 21:35 nengard killing is okay? 21:35 jcamins Probably the server is used for a lot of other things, too. 21:35 tcohen its like zebra, but for packages info 21:35 drojf jcamins: not anymore HAHAH 21:35 nengard so we are okay with the killing?? 21:35 nengard won't break anything? 21:35 tcohen of course :-P 21:35 nengard that's not encouraging 21:35 tcohen it will break indexes, which will be rebuilt on update 21:36 nengard k 21:36 jcamins drojf: hehe 21:36 nengard trying again 21:36 nengard after killing 21:37 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "more damn errors!" (37 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/422 21:37 wizzyrea gpg error 21:37 nengard k 21:37 nengard so i try the key line again? 21:37 tcohen nop 21:37 tcohen e 21:37 nengard k 21:38 drojf my gpg errors usually look differently 21:38 tcohen is not a gpg error 21:38 wizzyrea nodata is a weird one 21:38 tcohen exactly 21:38 cjh its the same error as before 21:38 drojf that bzip2 sub process thing looks weird too 21:38 nengard weird makes me tired 21:39 tcohen just reboot 21:39 tcohen (no, just jidding) 21:39 tcohen what does sudo apt-get -f install do? 21:39 drojf do you think the opl person knows what other things are running on that machine= 21:39 drojf ? 21:39 eythian paste the whole output of the update command, not just the bits with warnings. Include your command line. 21:39 nengard opl? 21:40 drojf i'd +1 from "do fresh package install" to "do a fresh debian install and then packages" :P 21:40 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "sudo apt-get -f install" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/423 21:40 nengard eythian okay 21:40 drojf nengard: i thought it's an opl you are doing that for 21:40 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "everything" (178 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/424 21:40 tcohen there have been some tls and ssl updates recently on debian/ubuntu, what are thse updates? 21:41 nengard opl = one person library - sorry getting tired here 21:41 nengard yes it's Disney and the's a one person librarian and he didn't do the install 21:41 nengard so he's not sure 21:41 nengard the guy who did install left 21:41 nengard and a new guy is here who will help us once we get back on stable 21:42 tcohen u tried the sudo apt-get upgrade command, right? 21:42 nengard not yet 21:42 nengard update kept throwing errors 21:42 nengard so i was waiting to do that until update worked 21:43 jcamins apt-get upgrade will not actually upgrade Koha. 21:43 jcamins New dependencies. 21:43 wahanui new dependencies are optional. 21:43 nengard so i should do that even if apt-get update failed 21:43 nengard just confirming 21:44 tcohen is there something about keyring or tls? 21:44 eythian I'm suspicious that you're behind a proxy or something 21:44 eythian tcohen: the indexes aren't downloading properly 21:44 tcohen a proxy breaking files 21:44 nengard eythian it's possible the librarian isn't sure ? 21:44 nengard we are behind a firewall 21:44 eythian if you run 'GET http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/', what do you see? 21:44 eythian you should see lines like "<head><title>Index of /debian/</title></head>" 21:45 jcamins Do you know, I never knew about the GET command. 21:45 jcamins That's very cool! 21:45 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ftp thingy" (102 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/425 21:45 nengard i think that's right 21:46 nengard who was it that said i was close? :) 21:46 nengard you guys rock by the way!! 21:47 nengard lunch is churning in my tummy so i appreciate all the help!! 21:47 eythian weird, you get different results to me, but it still looks correct. 21:49 nengard so where do we go from here 21:49 tcohen which package contains GET and POST commands? didn't know them 21:49 jcamins tcohen: libwww-perl, apparently. 21:49 eythian wait 21:49 eythian you have two sets of deb lines hitting different servers but fetching the same stuff 21:49 eythian paste your sources.list file? 21:49 nengard uh oh 21:50 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "sources - you're right it's in there 2 times" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/426 21:51 eythian hmm 21:51 eythian no, I think that looks OK 21:51 * eythian checks my VM 21:51 nengard i'll brb - don't go away - i'll be super quick 21:52 eythian yeah, that should be OK. 21:52 wizzyrea hi irma - I got your request taken care of :) 21:52 Irma hi wizzyrea thanks :-) 21:54 eythian nengard: is there anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d 21:54 eythian ? 21:54 eythian I don't think this will be the problem, but it'd pay to check 21:54 nengard back 21:54 eythian basically, there is Something Wrong with either your current package cache, or with your network that's causing flakey downloads. 21:55 nengard eythian nothing 21:55 nengard wait 21:55 nengard typo 21:55 nengard nope, nothing 21:56 nengard i couldn't do a fetch from git on my laptop vm - so it might be the latter ? network flakey 21:57 eythian yeah. let me thing of a test... 21:57 eythian think 21:57 tcohen pichu 21:57 eythian maccu? 21:57 nengard ? 21:57 rambutan nengard: I'm only half-way following the topic here, but would using >sudo apt-get dist-upgrade help your problem? 21:57 rambutan http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=80324 21:57 eythian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macchu_pichu <-- bad spelling 21:57 eythian rambutan: no, it probably wouldn't 21:58 nengard rambutan i don't know 21:58 nengard what he said 21:58 jcamins It's like Marco Polo, except instead of being a child's swimming game, it's a historic ruin in Peru. 21:59 nengard k 21:59 pastebot "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "nengard: try these commands, see if you get the same results" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/427 21:59 jcamins (no, that response had nothing to do with the topic at hand, but I thought it was funny;) 21:59 tcohen it was jcamins 22:00 jcamins :) 22:00 tcohen i had window focus problem, talking to one pichu 22:00 jcamins Oh, I thought I just didn't understand what you were saying. ;) 22:00 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "eythian" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/428 22:01 eythian nengard: you didn't try all the commands, you missed the first one. 22:01 nengard oops 22:01 tcohen nengard: if repeating for koha's repo gives the same error, its a proxy problem 22:01 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "eythian" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/429 22:02 eythian that suggests it's not a proxy problem 22:03 * eythian tries something 22:03 tcohen or it just got fixed :-P 22:03 eythian possible :) 22:05 eythian nengard: paste the results of ls -lh /var/lib/apt/lists 22:06 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "eythian" (23 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/430 22:07 eythian type this one very carefully: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* 22:07 eythian you should get a warning: rm: cannot remove `partial': Is a directory 22:07 nengard heh 22:07 eythian that's OK 22:07 nengard not scared at all 22:07 wizzyrea incidentally, the patch for the problem you ahve is here: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8128 22:07 huginn 04Bug 8128: blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED FIXED, can't seem to run new sql reports 22:08 eythian when you've done that, run sudo apt-get update again 22:08 nengard k 22:10 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "eythian" (199 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/431 22:10 wizzyrea we aren't concerned by 22:10 wizzyrea W: GPG error: http://debian.koha-community.org squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 doesn't it seem odd that they keys have nodata? 22:11 eythian wizzyrea: no 22:11 eythian because that's just a symptom 22:11 wizzyrea alright then. 22:11 eythian the real issue is whatever is causing: 87% [2 Translation-en bzip2 0 B] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [8 Release.gpg 0 B/1bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. 22:11 nengard hmm 22:11 eythian nengard: when it's saying "Waiting for headers", does it take a long time? 22:11 eythian or is it really quick? 22:12 eythian (like, is it 1 second or more like 10) 22:12 wizzyrea i wonder if she should try using the gui management for this? 22:12 wizzyrea for her sources. 22:12 eythian wizzyrea: it all uses the same stuff on the backend 22:12 eythian only, makes it harder to see the errors 22:12 wizzyrea sure but... it was running earlier 22:13 eythian was it working though? 22:13 wizzyrea I can't tell you that. The sources she pasted were quite old 22:14 wizzyrea so I'd guess "no" 22:14 eythian the GUI tools will run, but I'd expect them to have the same errors when you tell it to update the package list. 22:15 drojf there wouldn't be no space left on the device? 22:15 nengard am i supposed to follow this? :) 22:15 eythian drojf: worth a check 22:16 eythian nengard: parts of it, yes 22:16 eythian <eythian> nengard: when it's saying "Waiting for headers", does it take a long time? 22:16 eythian <eythian> or is it really quick? 22:16 eythian <eythian> (like, is it 1 second or more like 10) 22:16 eythian like that bit. 22:16 eythian also, paste the output of df -h 22:16 drojf and after what eythian says, what does 'df -h' say? 22:16 drojf heh 22:16 eythian snap 22:16 nengard sorry - phone 22:16 nengard not it's not that long at all 22:16 tcohen sudo apt-get install debian-keyring 22:16 nengard seconds 22:16 tcohen format C: 22:17 drojf lol 22:17 nengard NO WAY 22:17 eythian hey you know what's suspect 22:17 tcohen :-P 22:18 eythian Get:32 http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/main Sources [1,513 B] 22:18 eythian Get:33 http://ftp.debian.org squeeze-updates/contrib Sources [1,513 B] 22:18 nengard do i install the keyring thing? 22:18 eythian all those files are coming out at the same size 22:18 nengard or was that a joke too 22:18 eythian it won't help 22:18 eythian Get:29 http://debian.koha-community.org squeeze/main i386 Packages [1,513 B] 22:18 eythian that's also the same size. 22:18 eythian it's almost certainly network related shenanigans 22:18 tcohen wget -O - 22:18 eythian tcohen: scroll up, tried that 22:19 eythian (and it worked which is strange) 22:19 wizzyrea maybe not, the packet was less than 1513B? 22:19 * wizzyrea doesn't know, just speculating 22:19 jcamins I wonder what the proxy is sending... I'm guessing "This site's security policy does not allow access to these resources. The attempted security breach has been logged." 22:20 eythian wizzyrea: they shouldn't all be the same size though 22:20 eythian I hate how apt doesn't tell you the actual file it's fetching 22:20 wizzyrea no i meant for the -O_ 22:20 eythian -O - just puts output to stdout 22:21 wizzyrea we are talking past each other 22:21 eythian possibly :) 22:21 wizzyrea it's fine, not important. 22:21 wizzyrea :) 22:21 tcohen wget -O- http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 22:21 drojf unfortunately i got this mickey mouse march from full metal jacket stuck in my head now. thanks disney :p 22:21 nengard do i do that 22:21 tcohen try the wget again 22:22 wizzyrea it is a huge corp, we can only assume that they have mad security schemes 22:22 drojf they have their own disnet 22:23 nengard um 22:23 tcohen fmj, great movie BTW 22:23 nengard that doesn't look good 22:23 nengard the wget thing 22:23 nengard and it's going forever and error 22:23 tcohen FORBIDEN? 22:23 nengard all kinds of characters 22:23 eythian yeah 22:23 nengard yeah that's good? 22:23 eythian putting a binary file to the terminal is often not ideal 22:24 nengard seems to have stopped or failed or something 22:24 tcohen run reset 22:24 eythian I'm very confused why that works and apt doesn't though 22:24 nengard it's a blinking cursor at 9;c 22:24 tcohen to get your terminal back (if chars are broken) 22:24 eythian type 'reset' 22:24 nengard k 22:24 nengard got it back 22:25 tcohen flame warning> that wouldn't have happened in Mandriva 22:25 nengard that means nothing to me :) 22:25 eythian tcohen: that's because no one uses Mandriva :) 22:25 jcamins tcohen: no... Mandriva predated the Internet. :P 22:26 nengard okay guys, we were supposedly close like a hour ago :) 22:26 eythian hey wait 22:26 nengard have we hit a wall? .... oh maybe not 22:26 tcohen heh 22:26 eythian nengard: yeah, but your system is weird 22:26 nengard not my system! :) 22:26 nengard but yes 22:26 eythian there's something else funny 22:26 eythian try this: 22:26 eythian wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 22:27 tcohen THAT is not funny at all! 22:27 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "error" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/432 22:27 eythian damn 22:28 eythian that's what should happen on a working system 22:28 nengard hmm 22:28 drojf did you try the df -h thing? 22:28 eythian oddly, your system is trying to access it 22:28 eythian and it doesn't exist 22:28 nengard i don't remember if i did the df hting 22:28 nengard what was that? 22:28 wizzyrea type it 22:28 drojf df -h 22:28 nengard i tried so many things 22:28 nengard oh 22:28 nengard k 22:29 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "df -h" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/433 22:29 tcohen jcamins: urpmi was really awesome 22:30 tcohen (never used Mandriva, Mandrake was my first distro, then moved to Gentoo, then Debian) 22:30 drojf that looks fine. i would have love an extra apt partition of 1513b 22:30 eythian heh 22:30 nengard once we get this solved if we get this solved they're going to do a fresh system and copy the db over 22:31 eythian wait 22:31 nengard but we need to get the db upgraded so that it works 22:31 eythian why not just do a fresh system now then? 22:31 nengard they have data 22:31 eythian you can move the data 22:31 nengard how do we import old data from a 3.9.4 db to a 3.10.3 system 22:31 jcamins Why are you trying to upgrade in a broken system? Just move the data. 22:31 eythian you just .. do 22:31 eythian it'll work 22:31 nengard i'm so confused guys ... picture a tired sleepy and nausious nicole and speak slowly 22:31 eythian it'll upgrade itself 22:31 nengard really??? 22:32 nengard so we do a mysqldump 22:32 nengard do a fresh install 22:32 nengard and the import the db and it will work? 22:32 eythian sure, you put old data into a new koha system and it'll see that it's old and upgrade it for you. 22:32 bgkriegel yep 22:32 nengard even thought the old db has different fields 22:32 nengard OMG 22:32 eythian yeah, the upgrade process takes care of it for you. 22:32 drojf we should have hand-on installation sessions more often :) 22:33 eythian when you first start it up with the old data, it'll force you to run through the upgrade process. 22:33 drojf nengard gets a completely different perspective :) 22:33 tcohen belive it, Koha is magical 22:33 nengard omg 22:33 nengard omg 22:33 nengard omg 22:33 tcohen heh 22:33 nengard my tired brain is so relieved 22:33 nengard okay 22:33 nengard so i'm copying this for the debian guy - who gave up and left me 22:33 tcohen BTW, try that Ubuntu 12.04 thing 22:34 nengard to tell him to install koha fresh and take the mysql dump bring it in and let koha upgrade it 22:34 drojf there is a debian guy, don't scare him away with ubuntu 22:34 nengard anythign else he needs to know 22:34 nengard and what's the ubuntu thing 22:34 nengard he asked if it would run on ubuntu 22:34 nengard so he's okay with that 22:34 nengard either one is fine 22:35 nengard uh oh ... flamer mode ... 22:36 drojf i'm sure it's the good kind of flame 22:36 eythian yeah, I prefer debian, but ubuntu 12.04LTS is also fine. 22:36 * drojf gets the sausages 22:36 nengard :) 22:36 drojf and steaks 22:36 nengard is there a link or rules i want to share with this guy 22:36 * wizzyrea puts away the popcorn 22:36 nengard i'll email him what you all said here - but anything else 22:36 drojf debian? 22:36 wahanui debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that 22:36 nengard before I go and get away from the computer? 22:36 drojf hm 22:36 drojf packages? 22:36 wahanui well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 22:36 drojf ^^ this 22:36 nengard also do i need to turn on indexing again ... did we turn that off? 22:36 nengard drojf thanks - that I did have 22:37 drojf that should do for a debian guy 22:37 drojf ;) 22:37 eythian yeah, the packaging link should do the job. 22:37 nengard okey dokey 22:37 nengard now what did we kill 22:37 tcohen_flamer_mode stick with Debian 22:37 nengard and do i need to restart it before i go? 22:37 nengard i can search koha 22:37 eythian no 22:37 eythian it was totally unrelated 22:37 eythian at least, the one I saw 22:37 nengard okay good 22:37 nengard works for me 22:38 nengard you guys are all the best (guys as in peoples not just boys) :) 22:38 nengard and let me say that i could never do what you all do :) 22:38 tcohen_flamer_mode yeah, don't mess with all this new gender theories 22:38 nengard I'll stick to my training and documentation thank you very much 22:39 nengard and now i think i'll go out in the FL sun and put the top down on my fancy rental car and drive super fast (if the old FL drivers let me) 22:39 tcohen_flamer_mode good luck nengard 22:40 nengard http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100476556009836&set=a.603557324226.2165668.10518624&type=1 22:40 eythian later 22:40 nengard if you all missed it :) 22:40 nengard speedy car :) 22:40 nengard good night all! Thank you 22:40 tcohen OMGH 22:40 nengard LOL 22:41 drojf fancy, have fun 22:42 eythian http://www.koboldsatemybaby.com/ 22:43 wizzyrea beer and pretzels role playing game? 22:44 tcohen have you played closure? 22:44 eythian I know, sounds like a great idea :) 22:44 eythian I don't think I've heard of it. 22:46 eythian oh, you know what 22:46 eythian I bet apt was set up to use a proxt 22:46 eythian proxy 22:46 eythian and nothing else was 22:46 wizzyrea oops. 22:47 eythian which is why its results were different from wget. 22:52 tcohen when is KohaCon13 happening? 22:52 jcamins October. 22:55 eythian I suppose I should write a talk or something 23:00 tcohen you are the beer expert right? you don't need to do anything 23:01 eythian I don't think work will send me on the weight of my beer knowledge alone :) 23:04 trea hey #koha does opac suppression have any impact on holds fulfillment? 23:05 jcamins Not to my knowlede. 23:05 jcamins *knowledge 23:07 wizzyrea it shouldn't 23:07 trea thanks, just confirming 23:07 wizzyrea the first question? 23:07 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 23:08 tcohen t-rea wizzy-rea 23:08 eythian I wonder if there's a connection.... 23:08 wizzyrea now you're getting it 23:09 trea purely coincidental 23:09 trea >.> 23:11 tcohen leaving now, bye #koha 23:11 wizzyrea later :) 23:15 eythian bye tcohen