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eythian |
@wunder nzwn |
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eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 22.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on March 06, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
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it wasn't supposed to be that warm today |
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druthb |
o/ |
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cjh |
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dgl-library |
Hi #koha |
| 04:39 |
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dgl-library |
Quick question: How do I restart Koha from the command line if it seems to have stopped or gotten stuck? |
| 04:40 |
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jcamins |
What do you mean stopped or gotten stuck? |
| 04:40 |
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dgl-library |
Not accessible from the web browser |
| 04:41 |
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dgl-library |
This happens every week or two. |
| 04:41 |
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jcamins |
That's your web server rather than Koha. |
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dgl-library |
¿? |
| 04:41 |
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jcamins |
You can try restarting Apache with a command something like: sudo service apache2 restart |
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dgl-library |
ok, let me try that |
| 04:42 |
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jcamins |
Koha is just a series of scripts that reside on your server, and the web server software provides access to them via a web browser. |
| 04:45 |
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dgl-library |
Hmm. Koha is running on Debian inside Virtualbox on an Ubuntu host. It seems Koha is reachable within Debian and not outside it. If I restart the virtual Debian box, I'm fairly sure this problem will go away. Is this a Virtualbox networking bug? |
| 04:46 |
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jcamins |
Sounds like it. |
| 04:46 |
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jcamins |
So, even less to do with Koha than I thought. |
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dgl-library |
Yep. |
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dgl-library |
Thanks |
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dgl-library |
Bye for now #koha |
| 05:23 |
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wajasu |
bug 2499 hopefully helpful |
| 05:23 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Improvement on text wrapping algorithm needed |
| 05:25 |
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dcook |
wajasu: Did you write that patch? |
| 05:26 |
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wajasu |
yes. |
| 05:26 |
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dcook |
I take it that you attached it with git bz? It includes a sign-off line for you |
| 05:26 |
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dcook |
I'd suggest re-submitting without the sign-off line and then changing the Bugzilla status to "Needs Signoff" |
| 05:27 |
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wajasu |
its hard to change my pattern. i usually sign off. |
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dcook |
hehe |
| 05:28 |
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dcook |
Ah the joys of routine |
| 05:29 |
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wajasu |
can i just vi the patch, by deleting the line and replacing it? |
| 05:30 |
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dcook |
Yep, as far as I know |
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wajasu |
will do that. |
| 05:46 |
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wajasu |
i noticed bug 7062 might need to depend on 2499, 2499 is successful. |
| 05:46 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7062 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , barcode titles not truncating |
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dcook |
hey cait :) |
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cait |
hi dcook |
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cait |
:) |
| 06:15 |
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cait |
good morning #koha |
| 06:19 |
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dcook |
Ta, #koha! |
| 06:20 |
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dcook |
wajasu: thanks for following up with that patch :) |
| 06:20 |
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dcook |
wajasu++ |
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syedsust |
hi, any there ? I need help |
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syedsust |
Hi, everybody |
| 07:07 |
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syedsust |
I have koha website problem |
| 07:07 |
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syedsust |
Please help me |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_justin, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 07:21 |
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mib_justin |
hello |
| 07:21 |
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mib_justin |
i just start using KOHA |
| 07:23 |
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mib_justin |
can any one help me how to download catalogue |
| 07:36 |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
| 07:46 |
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syedsust |
hello |
| 07:46 |
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wahanui |
hello, syedsust |
| 07:48 |
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mib_justin |
hello wahanui |
| 07:49 |
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mib_justin |
can i talk with u |
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mib_justin |
? |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 07:51 |
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mib_justin |
yes |
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mib_justin |
reiveune |
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wahanui |
i guess reiveune is working for biblibre |
| 07:51 |
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mib_justin |
u use koha ? |
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reiveune |
mib_justin: yes |
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mib_justin |
wahanui i want know abt fornts in koha |
| 07:52 |
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wahanui |
mib_justin: sorry... |
| 07:52 |
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mib_justin |
u know where can i find offline catalogue |
| 07:52 |
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mib_justin |
for koha |
| 07:53 |
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reiveune |
mib_justin: wahanui is a bot . for your answer, no I don't know, sorry |
| 07:53 |
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mib_justin |
haha |
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mib_justin |
reiveune ..are u human |
| 07:54 |
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mib_justin |
? |
| 07:54 |
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reiveune |
yes |
| 07:54 |
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mib_justin |
how long u use koha |
| 07:54 |
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reiveune |
with a poor english level |
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mib_justin |
no problem |
| 07:54 |
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mib_justin |
me too |
| 07:54 |
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christophe_c |
hello all |
| 07:55 |
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mib_justin |
can i know where u from |
| 07:55 |
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mib_justin |
? |
| 07:55 |
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mib_justin |
hello chris |
| 07:55 |
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christophe_c |
hello mib_justin |
| 07:55 |
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reiveune |
christophe_c: salut, mib_justin me demande si on peux consulter catalogue Koha offlin ; tu sasi toi ? |
| 07:55 |
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reiveune |
s/sasi/sais/ |
| 07:55 |
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mib_justin |
please in english |
| 07:55 |
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mib_justin |
ok ? |
| 07:55 |
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christophe_c |
mib_justin: yes you can |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_cbyp9d, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
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christophe_c |
ok reiveune I have spoken with mib_ in MP |
| 08:05 |
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reiveune |
thanks christophe_c |
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christophe_c |
but he have deconected |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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christophe_c |
hello kf |
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Herwig |
Morning Koha |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 08:38 |
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kf |
hi christophe_c, Herwig, magnuse and #koha |
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magnuse |
kia ora kf |
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fredericd |
kf: Could you give me some info about BSZ? |
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kf |
fredericd: hi :) what do you want to know? |
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fredericd |
hi |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
so what's the difference between circcontrol and homeorholdinglibrary? |
| 10:30 |
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kf |
homeorholdingbranch |
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wahanui |
homeorholdingbranch is there to tell which of the two fields of items homebranch or holdingbranch is to be considered in circulation. |
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kf |
circcontrol? |
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wahanui |
circcontrol is set to... |
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kf |
thx wahanui :) |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (11:30 AM CET on March 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady). |
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drojf |
hi #koha |
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kf |
nice |
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kf |
hi drojf |
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arungit |
Hi Community, I had deleted some bibliographic record and still its showing in the OPAC? |
| 11:24 |
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arungit |
could you please assist me in this regard? |
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christophe_c |
hello arungit you have zebra ? |
| 11:30 |
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drojf |
hi kf :) |
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arungit |
i have rebuild it |
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christophe_c |
arungit: after the deletion ? |
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arungit |
yes... |
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christophe_c |
humph with -z arungit ? |
| 11:37 |
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christophe_c |
it would be better to have the line in your crontab |
| 11:38 |
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christophe_c |
and in your browser have you cleaned the cache arungit ? |
| 11:41 |
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arungit |
KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v |
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arungit |
KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v -x |
| 11:42 |
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arungit |
i had cleaned the cache? |
| 11:43 |
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kf |
interesting? |
| 11:43 |
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wahanui |
interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 11:43 |
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christophe_c |
maybe arungit you could check if your record is realy deleted in the DB an by the way in the zebraqueue table |
| 11:44 |
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arungit |
let me check |
| 11:48 |
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christophe_c |
and if in zebraqueue you see your biblionumber with done ==1 try to check if the recordDelete was after the specialupdate for this bibnumber |
| 11:49 |
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arungit |
Christ its in a zebraque showing operation = specialupdate |
| 11:49 |
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christophe_c |
if not .... the record was deleted then updated .... :-D |
| 11:49 |
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christophe_c |
we made a patch |
| 11:49 |
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christophe_c |
I can't remember but... a thing like that |
| 11:50 |
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arungit |
do i need to delete from zebraqueue? |
| 11:51 |
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christophe_c |
done value is arungit ? |
| 11:52 |
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christophe_c |
and have you a line for the same with recordDelete ? |
| 11:53 |
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christophe_c |
you have to put in crontab rebuild -z -b -v (if you want) and rebuild -z -a [-v] |
| 12:07 |
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arungit |
tried but still its showing |
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arungit |
I had deleted the records from zebraqueue |
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christophe_c |
try rebuild -where"biblionumber=yourbibnumber" arungit |
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arungit |
christ, I have deleted the record without deleting the item, i think this is an issue it seems. But now problem is, i have not given a item number for deleted record |
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jcamins |
@later tell dcook Self-signoff lines are fine, there just has to be an additional sign-off before patches go to QA. |
| 12:39 |
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huginn |
jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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kf |
jcamins: I have passed qaon the barcode search patch - hope it's ok for you :) |
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kf |
galen and martin signed off and I wouldn't test different than I already did for QA |
| 12:40 |
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jcamins |
Fine with me. |
| 12:41 |
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kf |
I had hoped so :) |
| 12:41 |
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kf |
espresso time! |
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drojf |
caffeine++ |
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alex_a |
drogue++ |
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alex_a |
oops |
| 12:47 |
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alex_a |
fallait pas le dire |
| 12:47 |
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magnuse |
huh, koha-remove does not remove the stuff in /var/lib/koha/ ? |
| 12:51 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: I did not realize that. |
| 12:51 |
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magnuse |
me neither |
| 12:51 |
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magnuse |
and after creating and removing quite a few sites the permissions in there are completely wonky |
| 12:52 |
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magnuse |
i'm repoprting it as a bug |
| 12:53 |
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jcamins |
Good idea. |
| 12:55 |
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kf |
magnuse++ :) |
| 12:56 |
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magnuse |
yay |
| 12:58 |
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magnuse |
Bug 9754 |
| 12:58 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9754 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-remove does not remove the stuff in /var/lib/koha/ |
| 12:58 |
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drojf |
yes there is something weird about remove. i tried to remove an instance and re-do it at the workshop and i could not recreate it because of errors due to some leftover stuff. we worked around it with a new instance and i forgot about it |
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magnuse |
drojf: sounds like the same problem, yeah |
| 13:01 |
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magnuse |
the good news is i *might* have found a cure for Bug 9256 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 |
| 13:01 |
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jcamins |
Yay! |
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* magnuse |
waves at wizzyrea1 |
| 13:07 |
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* magnuse |
thinks "waves to" sounds more friendly than "waves at" |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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* oleonard |
wonders if kf got the OPACPopupAuthorsSearch to work |
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* magnuse |
crosses his fingers for bug 9256 |
| 13:23 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 |
| 13:25 |
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drojf |
magnuse: why should one use squeeze-dev to verify it does not work? |
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kf |
oleonard: couldn't retest - but I was wondering - I thought we didn't have additional authors in opac yet? |
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drojf |
(as opposed to just squeeze). did it work before? |
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oleonard |
We must have something, there is a screenshot to prove it |
| 13:26 |
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magnuse |
drojf: feel free to use squeeze - it worked before 3.10 |
| 13:27 |
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magnuse |
it worked before Bug 3087 got pushed, to be precise |
| 13:27 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB |
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* magnuse |
takes a break |
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* oleonard |
has been working for 13 minutes, needs a break too! |
| 13:30 |
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oleonard |
kf: It only appears if OPACXSLTDetailsDisplay is off |
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kf |
oleonard: weird - I tried that |
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kf |
I will try again - thx for the hint :) |
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kf |
oleonard: could you reset your yui patch I failed? I will try again tonight |
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kf |
back to signed off? |
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oleonard |
The record I tested has an additional author in 700a |
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kf |
hi paul_p |
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kf |
hi Mpeul |
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magnuse |
kia ora nengard - how did your package adventure go yesterday? |
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* magnuse |
could have read the backlog... |
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nengard |
turns out we wasted a lot of time :) |
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nengard |
all they're going to do is a fresh install, restore the old db and let Koha upgrade the db |
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nengard |
ta da - new clean working package |
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nengard |
or so i understand |
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nengard |
it was a LONG back and forth though |
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nengard |
with a lot of troubleshooting :) |
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nengard |
good for those who like that kind of thing to read through the logs |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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magnuse |
all is well that ends well... |
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oleonard |
My work on Bug 9652 seems to have expanded in scope a little... http://screencast.com/t/MW2LZ8iv8r (in progress) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9652 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Call number column on list view displays commas when no callnumbers exist |
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jcamins |
That looks nice. |
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oleonard |
It uses the XSLT display handling we added to the OPAC |
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reiveune |
bye |
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jcamins |
Oh, look. |
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jcamins |
Lists do not work under Plack. |
| 17:01 |
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drojf |
a shame |
| 17:01 |
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jcamins |
drojf: indeed. |
| 17:02 |
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kf |
sometimes it feels like nothing used to work under plack? |
| 17:04 |
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jcamins |
Almost nothing does. |
| 17:06 |
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oleonard |
When things don't work under Plack does that say something bad about the code or about Plack? Or is it neutral? |
| 17:06 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: the code. |
| 17:06 |
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wahanui |
the code is kept at git.koha-community.org |
| 17:07 |
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jcamins |
It means the code was relying on side-effects of the way Apache runs Perl scripts rather than actually doing everything that needs to be done. |
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| 17:36 |
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tcohen |
is there some docs to read about to move to plack-compliance? |
| 17:36 |
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jcamins |
No. |
| 17:36 |
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jcamins |
Every time I find a problem, I report a bug. |
| 17:36 |
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tcohen |
its just try/error? |
| 17:36 |
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jcamins |
Often witha a fix. |
| 17:36 |
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jcamins |
*with a |
| 17:36 |
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jcamins |
Yup. |
| 17:36 |
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jcamins |
Not in this case, though, most likely, because I don't see the problem. |
| 17:36 |
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* tcohen |
feels alone in the dark |
| 17:37 |
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jcamins |
Plack? |
| 17:37 |
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wahanui |
Plack is a FastCGI thingy that works with Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack for more information. |
| 17:37 |
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jcamins |
^^ that page explains how to set up Plack. |
| 17:37 |
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kf |
jcamins: I think the trick is to program thread safe? or something like thatß |
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jcamins |
No one other than me uses Plack heavily, it would seem. |
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jcamins |
kf: right, code has to be thread-safe, destroy unused module-level variables, and without side-effects. |
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* kf |
thinks exterminate... when reading destroy and should probably go home |
| 17:39 |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
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* jcamins |
wiggles back and forth and says "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!" in a robotic voice. |
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kf |
lol |
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* oleonard |
watches unused module-level variables scramble up the stairs |
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kf |
heh |
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kf |
bye all :) |
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tcohen |
Plack::App::WrapApacheRec |
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jcamins |
But we don't support mod_perl either, so that wouldn't help much. |
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tcohen |
we need to fully decouple the business logic from the templates/view and stick with some framework for the controlling/routing stuff and migrate then migrate the templates there |
| 17:58 |
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jcamins |
That would be nice. |
| 17:58 |
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tcohen |
what happened with making several stuff OO? |
| 17:58 |
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jcamins |
Nothing. |
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wahanui |
nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though |
| 17:58 |
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tcohen |
libsysguy was on that? |
| 17:58 |
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jcamins |
Not really. |
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jcamins |
There's a patch for adding DBIx::Class. |
| 17:59 |
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jcamins |
But I won't push it until nginx+Plack is a viable option out of the box. |
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jcamins |
And, of course, no one gets paid to do any projects of that sort. |
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libsysguy |
tcohen I gave up |
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* libsysguy |
waives the white towel |
| 18:08 |
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tcohen |
libsysguy: that's a pity |
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tcohen |
jcamins, I see no relation |
| 18:08 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: DBIx::Class is heavy. |
| 18:08 |
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jcamins |
Koha is already slow. |
| 18:09 |
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jcamins |
Add in DBIx::Class and it is likely to become *very* slow. |
| 18:09 |
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jcamins |
So we need a way to balance the weight added by DBIx::Class. |
| 18:09 |
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libsysguy |
DBIx::Class will definitely slow it down if koha still uses strictly CGI |
| 18:09 |
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tcohen |
moving to PSGI is key then |
| 18:09 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 18:09 |
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libsysguy |
you *need* persistence |
| 18:09 |
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jcamins |
That's why it's important that Plack work. |
| 18:10 |
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libsysguy |
indeed |
| 18:11 |
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tcohen |
(1) Make Koha work under PSGI (2-a) Choose to have or not a persistent layer (2-b) At least have a fully OO set of libs |
| 18:11 |
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tcohen |
an ORM will always be heavy |
| 18:11 |
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tcohen |
but we need (1) to at least consider it |
| 18:12 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 18:12 |
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libsysguy |
that one statement will take at least 4 release cycles to implement |
| 18:12 |
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jcamins |
And as for rewriting everything in Koha to be Object-Oriented and clean, no one is going to be paid to do it. |
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tcohen |
Object oriented how? Fully OO? Using Class::Accesor? |
| 18:13 |
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libsysguy |
really Moo would be a better option that Class::Accesor |
| 18:13 |
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jcamins |
I like Class::Accessor, but it doesn't matter. |
| 18:13 |
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jcamins |
The larger issue is that refactoring is not something we do well. |
| 18:13 |
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tcohen |
the problem is patches for that wont be accepted if we don't move PSGI |
| 18:14 |
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tcohen |
we are almost deadlocked |
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jcamins |
Moo or Class::Accessor could go in |
| 18:14 |
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jcamins |
And the PSGI fixes need to come regardless of anything else. |
| 18:14 |
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cait |
oook |
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cait |
what did I miss? |
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cait |
:) |
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libsysguy |
tcohen I had this debate with jcamins a long time ago |
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libsysguy |
refactor in cycles or just start over |
| 18:15 |
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tcohen |
i imagine libsysguy |
| 18:15 |
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jcamins |
tcohen is daydreaming about refactoring Koha's code to be object-oriented and fully Plack-compatible. |
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jcamins |
:) |
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libsysguy |
tcohen welcome to the dreamers corner |
| 18:16 |
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tcohen |
i want to rewrite Koha using some framework libsysguy puts over the table, actually |
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libsysguy |
catalyst? |
| 18:16 |
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wahanui |
i guess catalyst is a monster, lots of moving parts |
| 18:16 |
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libsysguy |
heh indeed it is wahanui |
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tcohen |
MOjo? |
| 18:16 |
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wahanui |
well, MOjo is a sticky trap |
| 18:17 |
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libsysguy |
heh indeed it is wahanui |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, libsysguy. |
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tcohen |
Mojo behaves well with template-toolkit |
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tcohen |
(that's what I read ysterday) |
| 18:18 |
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jcamins |
Anything will work well with T::T. It's the rest of the code that's problematic. |
| 18:18 |
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libsysguy |
tcohen http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/c[…]st_and_its_moose/ |
| 18:18 |
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libsysguy |
a question I posed to the reddit perl community |
| 18:18 |
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libsysguy |
its a pretty informative post imho |
| 18:20 |
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* tcohen |
reading |
| 18:28 |
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melia |
anybody around who wants to test an easy patch? bug 9014 works for us but not for cait, so I was thinking maybe we could get a third person to test it out and see how it goes. there's a video showing you how to test in Comment 29. |
| 18:28 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9014 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add time due to slips |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
melia: hm I think I had talked about this one with kyle on irc |
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melia |
oh did you guys figure out the problem? |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
because he was confused about what went wrong for me |
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cait |
I am trying to remember |
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cait |
gthe patch has a sign-off line from me - that is a bit weird if I didn't sign off |
| 18:31 |
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melia |
yeah, I was confused reading the notes on the bug report. I couldn't tell for sure if you'd signed off or not, but it's still marked "needs signoff" |
| 18:32 |
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cait |
hm seems like kyle did something, reattached the patch and switched form failed qa to needs sign-off |
| 18:32 |
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cait |
not sure if he fixed the issue |
| 18:32 |
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tcohen |
why is it needed a patch for that? |
| 18:32 |
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cait |
the problem was the today time on the slip |
| 18:32 |
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tcohen |
isnt' it a parameter one can just add? |
| 18:32 |
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cait |
tcohen: ? |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
ah the headline is wrong actually |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
it's about adding a datetime pref that formats hours differently |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
we should maybe correct htat |
| 18:33 |
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magnuse |
dancer? |
| 18:33 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... dancer is lighter but it doesn't have quite the backing that catalyst does |
| 18:33 |
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melia |
khall? trying to clear up confusion on bug 9014, if you're around |
| 18:33 |
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jcamins |
cait: looks like you uploaded a rebased version. |
| 18:33 |
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jcamins |
It has not been signed off. |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
jcamins: yep, I come toh this conclusion too |
| 18:34 |
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cait |
melia: it woudl be good if someone from a different timezone could test - i can also rerun my test, but not right now :) |
| 18:34 |
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cait |
have to go to the supermarket |
| 18:34 |
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melia |
ok happy shopping, cait! :) |
| 18:34 |
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tcohen |
i vote for dancer |
| 18:35 |
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magnuse |
libsysguy_lunch, tcohen, jcamins: could we consider crowdfunding? "we need to do some boring fixing, if you or your library could contribute $10/$100/$1000 it would really help" sort of thing. just a thought |
| 18:35 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: it's worth a try, but you'd have to find someone interested in doing the work who was able to quantify it. |
| 18:36 |
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khall |
I believe I used bz apply, then modified the patch and reuploaded it. That would explain cait's SO on it |
| 18:36 |
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melia |
so still needs SO then, if there are any willing testers about! |
| 18:38 |
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magnuse |
jcamins: true |
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tcohen |
magnuse, jcamins: crowdfunding for what exactly? |
| 18:55 |
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tcohen |
i am starting a fund raise to send me to Reno |
| 18:56 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: refactoring everything. |
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| 18:58 |
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tcohen |
got it |
| 18:58 |
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magnuse |
not necessarily everything at once, though |
| 18:58 |
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tcohen |
how whould we manage signing-off/acceptance? |
| 18:59 |
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magnuse |
the usual way? |
| 18:59 |
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tcohen |
the problem is priority |
| 19:00 |
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jcamins |
And backlog length. |
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cait_afk |
melia: I think someone in another timezone - with daylight savings would be good |
| 19:01 |
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cait_afk |
melia: the time was 1 hour off for me It hink |
| 19:01 |
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tcohen |
consider I refactor some C4 lib into the Koha namespace making it fully OO |
| 19:01 |
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melia |
ah daylight savings, yes |
| 19:01 |
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melia |
our time is about to change here… hhm I think this weekend, maybe? |
| 19:01 |
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tcohen |
how many rebases would I do before my head blows? |
| 19:02 |
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magnuse |
well, is that an arguement against trying to improve anything? |
| 19:03 |
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* cait_afk |
starts making dinner |
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cait_afk |
tcohen: I think breaking up into small pieces is the art |
| 19:03 |
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cait_afk |
and tests :) |
| 19:03 |
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cait_afk |
automated testing I mean |
| 19:03 |
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tcohen |
i'm just negotiating magnuse |
| 19:03 |
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rambutan |
Just FYI, I'm finding the discussion quite interesting. |
| 19:04 |
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magnuse |
i'm adding it to the agenda for the next irc meeting :-) |
| 19:04 |
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magnuse |
tcohen: me too ;-) |
| 19:04 |
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tcohen |
u rock magnuse |
| 19:05 |
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tcohen |
cait_afk: testing is what you are doing or were talking about conditions for refactoring? |
| 19:08 |
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magnuse |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]wdfunding_for_big.2C_boring_improvements.3F |
| 19:08 |
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magnuse |
just to maybe set the ball rolling, feel free to edit |
| 19:08 |
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* magnuse |
gotta run |
| 19:12 |
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tcohen |
bye magnuse |
| 19:13 |
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tcohen |
i must say, i don't hate refactoring |
| 19:15 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: that's because you haven't done it enough. :P |
| 19:16 |
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tcohen |
probably jcamins |
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melia |
lol |
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libsysguy |
mmm scones |
| 19:36 |
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tcohen |
scones++ |
| 19:36 |
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libsysguy |
indeed |
| 19:37 |
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libsysguy |
tcohen and headway on the refactor? |
| 19:37 |
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libsysguy |
done yet? |
| 19:37 |
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tcohen |
the refactoring? |
| 19:37 |
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wahanui |
well, the refactoring is not rewriting it is abstracting. |
| 19:38 |
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jcamins |
wahanui: true only in part. |
| 19:38 |
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wahanui |
jcamins: sorry... |
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libsysguy |
yeah before I left weren't you an magnuse going to refactor the code base |
| 19:38 |
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libsysguy |
I was hoping it'd be done by the time I got back from lunch |
| 19:38 |
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libsysguy |
:p |
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libsysguy |
I don't think there are enough patches to QA |
| 19:39 |
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libsysguy |
so I was hoping to have something to tinker with HAHA |
| 19:39 |
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* libsysguy |
is sad there is no font for sarcasm |
| 19:39 |
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tcohen |
i'll start soon, hope you qa those patches :-P |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_iy84k7, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 19:43 |
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mib_iy84k7 |
hello |
| 19:43 |
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oleonard |
When I saw this message I heard it in Lucy Liu's robotic voice |
| 19:43 |
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oleonard |
http://www.screencast.com/t/eaqSUNGc |
| 19:43 |
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oleonard |
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb1lcIugxOk) |
| 19:45 |
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mib_iy84k7 |
I'm new to the koha community, and was just wondering if anyone else was having problems with the RSS feed on the wordpress part of the site... |
| 19:46 |
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oleonard |
What kind of problem erosen? |
| 19:46 |
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erosen |
it isn't loading the RSS feed with the postings...I dont know if its a problem on my end or if the site is down |
| 19:47 |
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oleonard |
http://koha-community.org/feed/ |
| 19:47 |
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oleonard |
That looks to me like it has lots of content |
| 19:48 |
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erosen |
its actually the wordpress part of the site, not the announcements...I was hoping to put up a posting about a migration project I'm working on... |
| 19:48 |
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erosen |
the part where you log in to read it... |
| 19:49 |
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erosen |
At least I assumed there was a community bulletinboard part where you could post questions...do you know if there's a discussion group somewhere else,(perhaps//) |
| 19:50 |
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oleonard |
mailing lists? |
| 19:50 |
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wahanui |
mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
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erosen |
thanks, that was what I was looking for... |
| 19:51 |
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erosen |
just couldn't find it |
| 19:52 |
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cait_afk |
erosen: Koha or Koha-devel are probably the ones you want - please don't cross post :) |
| 19:55 |
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erosen |
THANKS! |
| 19:58 |
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wizzyrea |
also, no, there is not a community bulletin board, I think that's why we have the newsletter |
| 19:58 |
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wizzyrea |
and/or the mailing lists. |
| 19:58 |
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jcamins |
Mailing lists, mostly. |
| 19:58 |
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oleonard |
And the Google Group :P |
| 19:58 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 19:58 |
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wizzyrea |
...google group. |
| 19:59 |
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oleonard |
And the vBulletin board |
| 20:09 |
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melia |
jcamins: may I ask the status of bug 5079? you said in Comment 46 that you would push it if there were no objections. has it been pushed, or is it going to be? |
| 20:09 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs |
| 20:09 |
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libsysguy |
man that one is old |
| 20:10 |
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melia |
or wait - is it waiting for QA again? I can't tell what's going on there! |
| 20:13 |
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wizzyrea |
why on earth do we allow people to uncheck mandatory sample data? |
| 20:13 |
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wizzyrea |
i'm sure there's a very good reason (tm) |
| 20:13 |
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oleonard |
Is it 'sample' if it's mandatory? |
| 20:13 |
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jcamins |
melia: it needed another sign off, and I didn't notice that Ed had provided it. |
| 20:14 |
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melia |
ah ok. good thing I asked, then! :) |
| 20:14 |
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wizzyrea |
it's "other data" - Mandatory |
| 20:14 |
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wizzyrea |
but stuff like "standard authority types" |
| 20:14 |
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wizzyrea |
and the default framework?! |
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wahanui |
the default framework is ok in this case |
| 20:14 |
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wizzyrea |
forget the default framework |
| 20:14 |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea: I forgot default framework |
| 20:15 |
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wizzyrea |
user permissions?! |
| 20:15 |
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wizzyrea |
sorry it's a boggly kind of morning. |
| 20:15 |
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jcamins |
melia: thanks. |
| 20:16 |
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jcamins |
The number of bugs in NSO/SO has gotten to the point that I can't follow them at all. |
| 20:16 |
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melia |
I know. there are oodles! |
| 20:16 |
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jcamins |
Which doesn't stop me trying... it just means I fail... |
| 20:16 |
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wizzyrea |
:/ |
| 20:16 |
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wizzyrea |
"less optimal" |
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| 20:18 |
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* jcamins |
prefers the phrase "less than optimal." |
| 20:18 |
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Morthland |
I am trying to host a PDF off of my Koha instance |
| 20:19 |
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Morthland |
I receive the error 500. |
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| 20:19 |
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wizzyrea |
where are you keeping it? |
| 20:20 |
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Morthland |
well, originally I had it in /koha/opac/ooc, |
| 20:20 |
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Morthland |
but I moved it to /koha/opac/cgi-bin/koha/ooc |
| 20:20 |
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Morthland |
no luck. |
| 20:20 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, ok what you should do |
| 20:20 |
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wizzyrea |
is make a folder in /var/www/files and make sure your koha user can read it |
| 20:20 |
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wizzyrea |
and host stuff there. |
| 20:21 |
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wizzyrea |
or make a folder /var/www/files |
| 20:21 |
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wizzyrea |
(files probably doesn't exist) |
| 20:22 |
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Morthland |
How would I link to that? ../../../../../var/www/files? |
| 20:22 |
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wizzyrea |
http://library.url/files/file.pdf |
| 20:22 |
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jcamins |
You may need to add a line to your Apache config too. |
| 20:22 |
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jcamins |
I don't remember. |
| 20:23 |
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wizzyrea |
yea I was just pondering that - |
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wizzyrea |
maybe you must have the default site enabled? which allows access to /var/www |
| 20:23 |
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wizzyrea |
yes, that must be it |
| 20:24 |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: nah, it depends how you installed Koha. |
| 20:24 |
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jcamins |
Or when. |
| 20:24 |
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Morthland |
I installed from source |
| 20:24 |
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Morthland |
My koha is in /usr/share |
| 20:24 |
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jcamins |
At some point there was an Apache config that pointed to /var/www in addition to /usr/share/koha |
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jcamins |
What you want to do is add this line to your Apache config: Alias /files "/var/www/files" |
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Morthland |
right. |
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jcamins |
That'll go in both VirtualHosts. |
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wizzyrea |
^ that |
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Morthland |
not scriptalias? |
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jcamins |
No, definitely not. |
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Morthland |
I just get 404. |
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cjh |
Morthland: have you restarted apache after making those changes? |
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Morthland |
yes. |
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cjh |
wouldnt the apache user have to have read access to /var/www, not the koha user? |
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cjh |
Morthland: did you modify the permissions for /var/www / |
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wizzyrea |
yes, actually you're right, I was thinking of the context of mpm-itk |
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jcamins |
cjh: No, Koha user- itk separates users. |
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wizzyrea |
ok never mind then. |
| 20:39 |
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jcamins |
Wait... does Koha not use itk by default? |
| 20:39 |
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Morthland |
just for /var/files/ooc |
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wizzyrea |
the packages does |
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cjh |
ahh the vhost definitions have assignuserid, didnt see that. |
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cjh |
at least in packages they do. |
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wizzyrea |
do |
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wizzyrea |
gah sorry grammar fail |
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Morthland |
Should I change the owner? |
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jcamins |
Morthland: the directory should be /var/files/ooc |
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jcamins |
*/var/www/files/ooc |
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jcamins |
Sorry. |
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jcamins |
I was reading what you typed while I typed the correction. |
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cjh |
Morthland: you will need to make /var/www/files readable and execute for the koha user that you mention inside your apache config. |
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wizzyrea |
(if you mention one) |
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Morthland |
I haven't mentioned one that I know of. |
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Morthland |
sorry, yes, it is in var/www/files/ooc |
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wizzyrea |
and who owns ooc? |
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wizzyrea |
and what group? |
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wahanui |
group is there |
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wizzyrea |
forget group |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea: I forgot group |
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cjh |
Morthland: if your look in your /etc/apache2/sites-enable/ for your apache2 file, there may be a line like "AssignUserID mykoha-koha mykoha-koha" mykoha-koha is your koha user. |
| 20:43 |
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Morthland |
out of copyright. We have a pretty substantial bibliacl studies library. |
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wizzyrea |
he installed from source |
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Morthland |
Do I make this the owner of the folder? |
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wizzyrea |
no I meant the directory, |
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Morthland |
my file access keeps resetting to --- |
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cjh |
how are you modifying it? |
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Morthland |
right click, properties, permissions |
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cjh |
who currently owns the folder? and what user are you doing this as? |
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Morthland |
as root, |
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Morthland |
root owns it. |
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cait_afk |
libsysguy++ |
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libsysguy |
0_0 |
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libsysguy |
what did I do? |
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Morthland |
I have to run. I'll let yall know how it comes. |
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Morthland |
Grace and Peace! |
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oleonard |
Later #koha |
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cait_afk |
oleonard++ |
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* cait_afk |
goes back to baking cake |
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rangi |
@wunder perth,wa |
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huginn |
rangi: Error: No such location could be found. |
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rangi |
@wunder perth australia |
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huginn |
rangi: The current temperature in Perth, Western Australia is 18.0°C (5:00 AM WST on March 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
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rangi |
sposta be 34 today |
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cjh |
oh wow |
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cjh |
I'm not sure I would survive that. |
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* wizzyrea |
thinks "that's the summer I'm used to" |
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cait |
ew |
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rangi |
plus the crows sound like retarded monkeys here |
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rangi |
wtf is wrong with all the birds in australia |
| 21:47 |
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rangi |
they all sound utterly ridiculous |
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cjh |
heh |
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wizzyrea |
are you sure you don't just live near the zoo? |
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* wizzyrea |
has that problem every morning |
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wizzyrea |
not sure what the monkeys are doing, but they are EXCITED. |
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rangi |
nope but there are trees full of cockatoos |
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wizzyrea |
ok yea you win. |
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rangi |
and a retarded monkey crow |
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rangi |
outside somewhere |
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rangi |
https://twitter.com/ranginui/s[…]09419758535729153 |
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cjh |
cockatoos are awesome |
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cjh |
although if they are wild they are probably loud.. |
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rangi |
they are |
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rangi |
kookabura = sounds mental |
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cjh |
what isn't there to like: http://bicycle2011.com/wp-cont[…]atoo-pictures.jpg |
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rangi |
like a laughing serial killer |
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wizzyrea |
cjh have you seen RIO? |
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cjh |
yeah :( |
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wizzyrea |
birds are cute, but that one is a bad guy. |
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rangi |
you know who does his voice eh? |
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wizzyrea |
i sure do |
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rangi |
which reminds me wizzyrea you need to see eagle vs shark |
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wizzyrea |
i will have to google that |
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eythian |
oh, that's a good movie |
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rangi |
i have the dvd ill bring it to work |
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wizzyrea |
:D |
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dcook |
morning #koha |
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eythian |
hi |
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rambutan |
hi |
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* cait |
waves |
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dcook |
Bob Elgie's message on Koha General is pretty interesting. It is rather annoying to clone and re-position subfields in Cataloguing :/ |
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dcook |
I wonder how hard it would be to allow drag 'n drop for repositioning.. |
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dcook |
Or to clone pairs of subfields together.. |
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rangi |
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]e-duel-goes-viral |
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rangi |
dcook: a lot harder than you think |
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dcook |
hehe |
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dcook |
I didn't know you could read my mind, rangi :p |
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rangi |
hehe |
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rangi |
the way that page is generated and saved, would make it very tricky |
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rangi |
making a better cataloguing page would be probably easier |
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dcook |
Both those thoughts have been crossing my mind these past couple of minutes |
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dcook |
Cataloguing is a tough one. Personally, I really did like cataloguing interface in Horizon |
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rangi |
heres how id do it |
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dcook |
You could catalogue an entire record quite quickly without taking your hands off the keyboard |
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rangi |
look at the api in svc/ |
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rangi |
thats what marcedit is hooking into |
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rangi |
its a restful (ish) api |
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rangi |
that you can throw xml at |
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rangi |
and use that to save your record |
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rangi |
and then do the editing etc all client side |
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rangi |
id be inclined to use localstorage and html5 |
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rangi |
will be a zillion times faster |
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rangi |
and, is bascially a firefoxOS app too |
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rangi |
:) |
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cait |
inspiring :) |
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rangi |
but yeah if you had client side stuff to manipulate the marcxml |
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rangi |
then all you need to do is post it to the svc/ api |
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rangi |
and it gets saved |
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* rangi |
hopes that makes sense |
| 23:01 |
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melia |
a library has asked if it would cause any problems within Koha if they re-use barcodes from deleted items. anybody have opinions on that? |
| 23:01 |
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dcook |
I certainly like the concept. Now the little hamsters in my brain are trying to figure out how to make it, rangi :p |
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rangi |
it will |
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rangi |
(cause problems melia) |
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melia |
I figured. b/c the barcode is still stored in deleteditems, right? |
| 23:02 |
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rangi |
but only when they try to delete the new item |
| 23:02 |
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rangi |
yes |
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melia |
ok I got you. thanks rangi! |
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wizzyrea |
but I think that's a bug |
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wizzyrea |
(even though barcodes are cheap) |
| 23:04 |
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rangi |
whats a bug? |
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wahanui |
rumour has it a bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber |
| 23:04 |
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wizzyrea |
reusing barcodes causes a problem |
| 23:04 |
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rangi |
the only way round it is to lose the ability to resurrect deleted items |
| 23:04 |
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rangi |
which is a bigger bug :) |
| 23:04 |
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wizzyrea |
or have an option to "reuse barcodes" |
| 23:05 |
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rangi |
nope that would lose it |
| 23:05 |
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wizzyrea |
whereby you nuke out the barcode. |
| 23:05 |
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rangi |
exactly |
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wizzyrea |
(but only that) |
| 23:05 |
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wizzyrea |
then you can resurrect the item, and give it a new (old) barcode |
| 23:05 |
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wizzyrea |
unless my logic is flawed there somehow. |
| 23:05 |
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rangi |
you cant find it |
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rangi |
once you nuke the barcode |
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rangi |
so if you nuke barcode on delete, how do you ever find it to undelete? |
| 23:06 |
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wizzyrea |
append an identifier "barcode-deleted" |
| 23:07 |
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rangi |
how about if you have 500000 of those |
| 23:07 |
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rangi |
read them all? |
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wizzyrea |
it'd get pretty mad |
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wizzyrea |
;) |
| 23:07 |
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wizzyrea |
barcode + itemnumber |
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rangi |
its the only human identifable part of an item really |
| 23:07 |
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rangi |
yeah but how would hte librarian know the itemnumber |
| 23:08 |
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wizzyrea |
they wouldnt :P but they wouldn't have to |
| 23:08 |
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wizzyrea |
because when you are resurrecting, the itemnumber is ignored |
| 23:08 |
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wizzyrea |
but it does keep it unique |
| 23:08 |
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cait |
the field is limited in size |
| 23:09 |
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cait |
I am not sure reusing barcodes really makes sense, the only use case I can think of is non-repogrammable rfid tags |
| 23:09 |
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wizzyrea |
it doesn't make sense |
| 23:09 |
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wizzyrea |
it's a 123 |
| 23:09 |
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wizzyrea |
buy more barcodes, it's cheap |
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rangi |
wizzyrea: they cant find it if it has no barcode and they dont know the itemnumber |
| 23:09 |
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wizzyrea |
but people will still see 5c as an expense |
| 23:09 |
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cait |
deelte the barcode before deleting the item |
| 23:09 |
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cait |
*shrug* |
| 23:09 |
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cait |
if you want to reuse |
| 23:09 |
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rangi |
no point |
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rangi |
if you delee the barcode |
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rangi |
the deleteditems table is useless |
| 23:10 |
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rangi |
so just dont save to it |
| 23:10 |
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rangi |
if you want to reuse barcode |
| 23:10 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, might as well not even do that |
| 23:10 |
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rangi |
nuking barcodes makes the table pointless |
| 23:10 |
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cait |
hm in part |
| 23:10 |
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cait |
here we also have inventory numbers |
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wizzyrea |
naw you can't find a specific item without the barcode, unless you know the itemnumber |
| 23:10 |
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cait |
so losing the barcode would not be so bad, the inventory numberis normally written or stamped into the book |
| 23:10 |
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wizzyrea |
but why would you know the itemnumber |
| 23:11 |
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rangi |
exactly |
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| 23:11 |
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cait |
but I admit that inventory numbers are an exception .. |
| 23:11 |
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wizzyrea |
but I do think that appending the itemnumber to the barcode could be a way round this - at least then you could get a list out of all items that HAD that barcode. |
| 23:12 |
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rangi |
its an option |
| 23:12 |
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wizzyrea |
sure you couldn't necessarily tell which one (biblionumber is in there too though) |
| 23:12 |
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wizzyrea |
*was the one that you wanted (didn't finish my thought there) |
| 23:12 |
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cait |
wizzyrea: wouldn't it be enough to add just a d- or something? |
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wizzyrea |
(rather interrupted myself) |
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rangi |
but i think probably if you want to reuse, you should just not save the deleted item |
| 23:12 |
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cait |
ah... not for multiple reuses |
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* cait |
is quiet |
| 23:13 |
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cait |
rangi: I think libraries here have to keep track of every item they delete |
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rangi |
cos otherwise the deleteditem table and the items table become different |
| 23:13 |
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rangi |
in schema |
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cait |
so it's actually a very useful feature for more than resurrecting :) |
| 23:13 |
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rangi |
and that is dangerous |
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* cait |
waves good night |
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wizzyrea |
explain |
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wizzyrea |
(please) |
| 23:14 |
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rangi |
cos all the routines that delete now have to be changed to do some extra logic, undelete is also no longer a select into |
| 23:15 |
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wizzyrea |
where is undelete? |
| 23:15 |
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* dcook |
is curious about undelete as well |
| 23:16 |
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wizzyrea |
or is that one of the lost functions |
| 23:16 |
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rangi |
not in koha, it got killed round 3.0 the code is still there, but you can do it trivially easily from mysql |
| 23:16 |
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rangi |
select * from deleteditems where barcode='fish' into items (not the right syntax but something like that) |
| 23:17 |
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dcook |
Doesn't seem very user-friendly though |
| 23:17 |
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wizzyrea |
no, we blame he-who-shall-not-be-named |
| 23:17 |
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dcook |
Unless the librarian is passing a list of barcodes to the systems person/folk |
| 23:17 |
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rangi |
you could resurrect the undelete if you want, its still all there in code |
| 23:17 |
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rangi |
dcook: thats usually the safest/best way |
| 23:17 |
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rangi |
even if the gui option existed |
| 23:18 |
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rangi |
ok i better get up and start getting ready for breakfast |
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dcook |
O_o |
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rangi |
stupid timezones |
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* wizzyrea |
thinks it's time for lunch |
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dcook |
Ahh |
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dcook |
Perth |
| 23:18 |
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dcook |
Right? |
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rangi |
yep |
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dcook |
Have fun. I think it's late enough in the morning that I need to switch from sweet to savoury.. |
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* dcook |
looks for his cheese and onion scones |
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