Time Nick Message 01:25 eythian @wunder nzwn 01:25 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 22.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on March 06, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 01:36 eythian it wasn't supposed to be that warm today 04:07 druthb o/ 04:07 cjh \o 04:38 dgl-library Hi #koha 04:39 dgl-library Quick question: How do I restart Koha from the command line if it seems to have stopped or gotten stuck? 04:40 jcamins What do you mean stopped or gotten stuck? 04:40 dgl-library Not accessible from the web browser 04:41 dgl-library This happens every week or two. 04:41 jcamins That's your web server rather than Koha. 04:41 dgl-library ¿? 04:41 jcamins You can try restarting Apache with a command something like: sudo service apache2 restart 04:41 dgl-library ok, let me try that 04:42 jcamins Koha is just a series of scripts that reside on your server, and the web server software provides access to them via a web browser. 04:45 dgl-library Hmm. Koha is running on Debian inside Virtualbox on an Ubuntu host. It seems Koha is reachable within Debian and not outside it. If I restart the virtual Debian box, I'm fairly sure this problem will go away. Is this a Virtualbox networking bug? 04:46 jcamins Sounds like it. 04:46 jcamins So, even less to do with Koha than I thought. 04:46 dgl-library Yep. 05:05 dgl-library Thanks 05:05 dgl-library Bye for now #koha 05:23 wajasu bug 2499 hopefully helpful 05:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Improvement on text wrapping algorithm needed 05:25 dcook wajasu: Did you write that patch? 05:26 wajasu yes. 05:26 dcook I take it that you attached it with git bz? It includes a sign-off line for you 05:26 dcook I'd suggest re-submitting without the sign-off line and then changing the Bugzilla status to "Needs Signoff" 05:27 wajasu its hard to change my pattern. i usually sign off. 05:27 dcook hehe 05:28 dcook Ah the joys of routine 05:29 wajasu can i just vi the patch, by deleting the line and replacing it? 05:30 dcook Yep, as far as I know 05:30 wajasu will do that. 05:46 wajasu i noticed bug 7062 might need to depend on 2499, 2499 is successful. 05:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7062 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , barcode titles not truncating 06:14 dcook hey cait :) 06:15 cait hi dcook 06:15 cait :) 06:15 cait good morning #koha 06:19 dcook Ta, #koha! 06:20 dcook wajasu: thanks for following up with that patch :) 06:20 dcook wajasu++ 07:05 syedsust hi, any there ? I need help 07:07 syedsust Hi, everybody 07:07 syedsust I have koha website problem 07:07 syedsust Please help me 07:19 alohabot Hi mib_justin, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 07:21 mib_justin hello 07:21 mib_justin i just start using KOHA 07:23 mib_justin can any one help me how to download catalogue 07:36 alex_a bonjour 07:46 syedsust hello 07:46 wahanui hello, syedsust 07:48 mib_justin hello wahanui 07:49 mib_justin can i talk with u 07:49 mib_justin ? 07:50 reiveune hello 07:51 mib_justin yes 07:51 mib_justin reiveune 07:51 wahanui i guess reiveune is working for biblibre 07:51 mib_justin u use koha ? 07:52 reiveune mib_justin: yes 07:52 mib_justin wahanui i want know abt fornts in koha 07:52 wahanui mib_justin: sorry... 07:52 mib_justin u know where can i find offline catalogue 07:52 mib_justin for koha 07:53 reiveune mib_justin: wahanui is a bot . for your answer, no I don't know, sorry 07:53 mib_justin haha 07:54 mib_justin reiveune ..are u human 07:54 mib_justin ? 07:54 reiveune yes 07:54 mib_justin how long u use koha 07:54 reiveune with a poor english level 07:54 mib_justin no problem 07:54 mib_justin me too 07:54 christophe_c hello all 07:55 mib_justin can i know where u from 07:55 mib_justin ? 07:55 mib_justin hello chris 07:55 christophe_c hello mib_justin 07:55 reiveune christophe_c: salut, mib_justin me demande si on peux consulter catalogue Koha offlin ; tu sasi toi ? 07:55 reiveune s/sasi/sais/ 07:55 mib_justin please in english 07:55 mib_justin ok ? 07:55 christophe_c mib_justin: yes you can 08:03 alohabot Hi mib_cbyp9d, Welcome to #koha. 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If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 08:05 christophe_c ok reiveune I have spoken with mib_ in MP 08:05 reiveune thanks christophe_c 08:06 christophe_c but he have deconected 08:28 gaetan_B hello 08:32 christophe_c hello kf 08:32 Herwig Morning Koha 08:34 * magnuse waves 08:38 kf hi christophe_c, Herwig, magnuse and #koha 08:39 magnuse kia ora kf 09:17 fredericd kf: Could you give me some info about BSZ? 09:17 kf fredericd: hi :) what do you want to know? 09:18 fredericd hi 10:29 kf hm 10:29 kf so what's the difference between circcontrol and homeorholdinglibrary? 10:30 kf homeorholdingbranch 10:30 wahanui homeorholdingbranch is there to tell which of the two fields of items homebranch or holdingbranch is to be considered in circulation. 10:30 kf circcontrol? 10:30 wahanui circcontrol is set to... 10:32 kf thx wahanui :) 10:54 magnuse @wunder marseille 10:54 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (11:30 AM CET on March 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady). 11:22 drojf hi #koha 11:22 kf nice 11:22 kf hi drojf 11:24 arungit Hi Community, I had deleted some bibliographic record and still its showing in the OPAC? 11:24 arungit could you please assist me in this regard? 11:29 christophe_c hello arungit you have zebra ? 11:30 drojf hi kf :) 11:34 arungit i have rebuild it 11:34 christophe_c arungit: after the deletion ? 11:36 arungit yes... 11:37 christophe_c humph with -z arungit ? 11:37 christophe_c it would be better to have the line in your crontab 11:38 christophe_c and in your browser have you cleaned the cache arungit ? 11:41 arungit KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v 11:42 arungit KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v -x 11:42 arungit i had cleaned the cache? 11:43 kf interesting? 11:43 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 11:43 christophe_c maybe arungit you could check if your record is realy deleted in the DB an by the way in the zebraqueue table 11:44 arungit let me check 11:48 christophe_c and if in zebraqueue you see your biblionumber with done ==1 try to check if the recordDelete was after the specialupdate for this bibnumber 11:49 arungit Christ its in a zebraque showing operation = specialupdate 11:49 christophe_c if not .... the record was deleted then updated .... :-D 11:49 christophe_c we made a patch 11:49 christophe_c I can't remember but... a thing like that 11:50 arungit do i need to delete from zebraqueue? 11:51 christophe_c done value is arungit ? 11:52 christophe_c and have you a line for the same with recordDelete ? 11:53 christophe_c you have to put in crontab rebuild -z -b -v (if you want) and rebuild -z -a [-v] 12:07 arungit tried but still its showing 12:12 arungit I had deleted the records from zebraqueue 12:19 christophe_c try rebuild -where"biblionumber=yourbibnumber" arungit 12:32 arungit christ, I have deleted the record without deleting the item, i think this is an issue it seems. But now problem is, i have not given a item number for deleted record 12:39 jcamins @later tell dcook Self-signoff lines are fine, there just has to be an additional sign-off before patches go to QA. 12:39 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 12:39 kf jcamins: I have passed qaon the barcode search patch - hope it's ok for you :) 12:40 kf galen and martin signed off and I wouldn't test different than I already did for QA 12:40 jcamins Fine with me. 12:41 kf I had hoped so :) 12:41 kf espresso time! 12:43 drojf caffeine++ 12:47 alex_a drogue++ 12:47 alex_a oops 12:47 alex_a fallait pas le dire 12:47 magnuse huh, koha-remove does not remove the stuff in /var/lib/koha/ ? 12:51 jcamins magnuse: I did not realize that. 12:51 magnuse me neither 12:51 magnuse and after creating and removing quite a few sites the permissions in there are completely wonky 12:52 magnuse i'm repoprting it as a bug 12:53 jcamins Good idea. 12:55 kf magnuse++ :) 12:56 magnuse yay 12:58 magnuse Bug 9754 12:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9754 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-remove does not remove the stuff in /var/lib/koha/ 12:58 drojf yes there is something weird about remove. i tried to remove an instance and re-do it at the workshop and i could not recreate it because of errors due to some leftover stuff. we worked around it with a new instance and i forgot about it 12:59 magnuse drojf: sounds like the same problem, yeah 13:01 magnuse the good news is i *might* have found a cure for Bug 9256 13:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 13:01 jcamins Yay! 13:06 * magnuse waves at wizzyrea1 13:07 * magnuse thinks "waves to" sounds more friendly than "waves at" 13:17 oleonard Hi #koha 13:22 * oleonard wonders if kf got the OPACPopupAuthorsSearch to work 13:23 * magnuse crosses his fingers for bug 9256 13:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 13:25 drojf magnuse: why should one use squeeze-dev to verify it does not work? 13:25 kf oleonard: couldn't retest - but I was wondering - I thought we didn't have additional authors in opac yet? 13:26 drojf (as opposed to just squeeze). did it work before? 13:26 oleonard We must have something, there is a screenshot to prove it 13:26 magnuse drojf: feel free to use squeeze - it worked before 3.10 13:27 magnuse it worked before Bug 3087 got pushed, to be precise 13:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB 13:29 * magnuse takes a break 13:29 * oleonard has been working for 13 minutes, needs a break too! 13:30 oleonard kf: It only appears if OPACXSLTDetailsDisplay is off 13:30 kf oleonard: weird - I tried that 13:30 kf I will try again - thx for the hint :) 13:30 kf oleonard: could you reset your yui patch I failed? I will try again tonight 13:31 kf back to signed off? 13:31 oleonard The record I tested has an additional author in 700a 13:45 kf hi paul_p 14:04 kf hi Mpeul 14:12 magnuse kia ora nengard - how did your package adventure go yesterday? 14:12 * magnuse could have read the backlog... 14:12 nengard turns out we wasted a lot of time :) 14:12 nengard all they're going to do is a fresh install, restore the old db and let Koha upgrade the db 14:12 nengard ta da - new clean working package 14:12 nengard or so i understand 14:13 nengard it was a LONG back and forth though 14:13 nengard with a lot of troubleshooting :) 14:13 nengard good for those who like that kind of thing to read through the logs 14:13 magnuse hehe 14:15 magnuse all is well that ends well... 14:44 oleonard My work on Bug 9652 seems to have expanded in scope a little... http://screencast.com/t/MW2LZ8iv8r (in progress) 14:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9652 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Call number column on list view displays commas when no callnumbers exist 14:45 jcamins That looks nice. 14:46 oleonard It uses the XSLT display handling we added to the OPAC 16:57 reiveune bye 16:59 jcamins Oh, look. 16:59 jcamins Lists do not work under Plack. 17:01 drojf a shame 17:01 jcamins drojf: indeed. 17:02 kf sometimes it feels like nothing used to work under plack? 17:04 jcamins Almost nothing does. 17:06 oleonard When things don't work under Plack does that say something bad about the code or about Plack? Or is it neutral? 17:06 jcamins oleonard: the code. 17:06 wahanui the code is kept at git.koha-community.org 17:07 jcamins It means the code was relying on side-effects of the way Apache runs Perl scripts rather than actually doing everything that needs to be done. 17:36 tcohen is there some docs to read about to move to plack-compliance? 17:36 jcamins No. 17:36 jcamins Every time I find a problem, I report a bug. 17:36 tcohen its just try/error? 17:36 jcamins Often witha a fix. 17:36 jcamins *with a 17:36 jcamins Yup. 17:36 jcamins Not in this case, though, most likely, because I don't see the problem. 17:36 * tcohen feels alone in the dark 17:37 jcamins Plack? 17:37 wahanui Plack is a FastCGI thingy that works with Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack for more information. 17:37 jcamins ^^ that page explains how to set up Plack. 17:37 kf jcamins: I think the trick is to program thread safe? or something like thatß 17:37 jcamins No one other than me uses Plack heavily, it would seem. 17:38 jcamins kf: right, code has to be thread-safe, destroy unused module-level variables, and without side-effects. 17:39 * kf thinks exterminate... when reading destroy and should probably go home 17:39 jcamins Hehe. 17:39 * jcamins wiggles back and forth and says "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!" in a robotic voice. 17:39 kf lol 17:40 * oleonard watches unused module-level variables scramble up the stairs 17:43 kf heh 17:43 kf bye all :) 17:51 tcohen Plack::App::WrapApacheRec 17:51 jcamins But we don't support mod_perl either, so that wouldn't help much. 17:57 tcohen we need to fully decouple the business logic from the templates/view and stick with some framework for the controlling/routing stuff and migrate then migrate the templates there 17:58 jcamins That would be nice. 17:58 tcohen what happened with making several stuff OO? 17:58 jcamins Nothing. 17:58 wahanui nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though 17:58 tcohen libsysguy was on that? 17:58 jcamins Not really. 17:58 jcamins There's a patch for adding DBIx::Class. 17:59 jcamins But I won't push it until nginx+Plack is a viable option out of the box. 17:59 jcamins And, of course, no one gets paid to do any projects of that sort. 18:00 libsysguy tcohen I gave up 18:00 * libsysguy waives the white towel 18:08 tcohen libsysguy: that's a pity 18:08 tcohen jcamins, I see no relation 18:08 jcamins tcohen: DBIx::Class is heavy. 18:08 jcamins Koha is already slow. 18:09 jcamins Add in DBIx::Class and it is likely to become *very* slow. 18:09 jcamins So we need a way to balance the weight added by DBIx::Class. 18:09 libsysguy DBIx::Class will definitely slow it down if koha still uses strictly CGI 18:09 tcohen moving to PSGI is key then 18:09 jcamins Right. 18:09 libsysguy you *need* persistence 18:09 jcamins That's why it's important that Plack work. 18:10 libsysguy indeed 18:11 tcohen (1) Make Koha work under PSGI (2-a) Choose to have or not a persistent layer (2-b) At least have a fully OO set of libs 18:11 tcohen an ORM will always be heavy 18:11 tcohen but we need (1) to at least consider it 18:12 jcamins Right. 18:12 libsysguy that one statement will take at least 4 release cycles to implement 18:12 jcamins And as for rewriting everything in Koha to be Object-Oriented and clean, no one is going to be paid to do it. 18:12 tcohen Object oriented how? Fully OO? Using Class::Accesor? 18:13 libsysguy really Moo would be a better option that Class::Accesor 18:13 jcamins I like Class::Accessor, but it doesn't matter. 18:13 jcamins The larger issue is that refactoring is not something we do well. 18:13 tcohen the problem is patches for that wont be accepted if we don't move PSGI 18:14 tcohen we are almost deadlocked 18:14 jcamins Moo or Class::Accessor could go in 18:14 jcamins And the PSGI fixes need to come regardless of anything else. 18:14 cait oook 18:14 cait what did I miss? 18:14 cait :) 18:14 libsysguy tcohen I had this debate with jcamins a long time ago 18:15 libsysguy refactor in cycles or just start over 18:15 tcohen i imagine libsysguy 18:15 jcamins tcohen is daydreaming about refactoring Koha's code to be object-oriented and fully Plack-compatible. 18:15 jcamins :) 18:15 libsysguy tcohen welcome to the dreamers corner 18:16 tcohen i want to rewrite Koha using some framework libsysguy puts over the table, actually 18:16 libsysguy catalyst? 18:16 wahanui i guess catalyst is a monster, lots of moving parts 18:16 libsysguy heh indeed it is wahanui 18:16 tcohen MOjo? 18:16 wahanui well, MOjo is a sticky trap 18:17 libsysguy heh indeed it is wahanui 18:17 wahanui i already had it that way, libsysguy. 18:17 tcohen Mojo behaves well with template-toolkit 18:17 tcohen (that's what I read ysterday) 18:18 jcamins Anything will work well with T::T. It's the rest of the code that's problematic. 18:18 libsysguy tcohen http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/1932ed/question_regarding_catalyst_and_its_moose/ 18:18 libsysguy a question I posed to the reddit perl community 18:18 libsysguy its a pretty informative post imho 18:20 * tcohen reading 18:28 melia anybody around who wants to test an easy patch? bug 9014 works for us but not for cait, so I was thinking maybe we could get a third person to test it out and see how it goes. there's a video showing you how to test in Comment 29. 18:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9014 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add time due to slips 18:30 cait melia: hm I think I had talked about this one with kyle on irc 18:30 melia oh did you guys figure out the problem? 18:30 cait because he was confused about what went wrong for me 18:30 cait I am trying to remember 18:30 cait gthe patch has a sign-off line from me - that is a bit weird if I didn't sign off 18:31 melia yeah, I was confused reading the notes on the bug report. I couldn't tell for sure if you'd signed off or not, but it's still marked "needs signoff" 18:32 cait hm seems like kyle did something, reattached the patch and switched form failed qa to needs sign-off 18:32 cait not sure if he fixed the issue 18:32 tcohen why is it needed a patch for that? 18:32 cait the problem was the today time on the slip 18:32 tcohen isnt' it a parameter one can just add? 18:32 cait tcohen: ? 18:33 cait ah the headline is wrong actually 18:33 cait it's about adding a datetime pref that formats hours differently 18:33 cait we should maybe correct htat 18:33 magnuse dancer? 18:33 wahanui hmmm... dancer is lighter but it doesn't have quite the backing that catalyst does 18:33 melia khall? trying to clear up confusion on bug 9014, if you're around 18:33 jcamins cait: looks like you uploaded a rebased version. 18:33 jcamins It has not been signed off. 18:33 cait jcamins: yep, I come toh this conclusion too 18:34 cait melia: it woudl be good if someone from a different timezone could test - i can also rerun my test, but not right now :) 18:34 cait have to go to the supermarket 18:34 melia ok happy shopping, cait! :) 18:34 tcohen i vote for dancer 18:35 magnuse libsysguy_lunch, tcohen, jcamins: could we consider crowdfunding? "we need to do some boring fixing, if you or your library could contribute $10/$100/$1000 it would really help" sort of thing. just a thought 18:35 jcamins magnuse: it's worth a try, but you'd have to find someone interested in doing the work who was able to quantify it. 18:36 khall I believe I used bz apply, then modified the patch and reuploaded it. That would explain cait's SO on it 18:36 melia so still needs SO then, if there are any willing testers about! 18:38 magnuse jcamins: true 18:55 tcohen magnuse, jcamins: crowdfunding for what exactly? 18:55 tcohen i am starting a fund raise to send me to Reno 18:56 jcamins tcohen: refactoring everything. 18:58 tcohen got it 18:58 magnuse not necessarily everything at once, though 18:58 tcohen how whould we manage signing-off/acceptance? 18:59 magnuse the usual way? 18:59 tcohen the problem is priority 19:00 jcamins And backlog length. 19:00 cait_afk melia: I think someone in another timezone - with daylight savings would be good 19:01 cait_afk melia: the time was 1 hour off for me It hink 19:01 tcohen consider I refactor some C4 lib into the Koha namespace making it fully OO 19:01 melia ah daylight savings, yes 19:01 melia our time is about to change here… hhm I think this weekend, maybe? 19:01 tcohen how many rebases would I do before my head blows? 19:02 magnuse well, is that an arguement against trying to improve anything? 19:03 * cait_afk starts making dinner 19:03 cait_afk tcohen: I think breaking up into small pieces is the art 19:03 cait_afk and tests :) 19:03 cait_afk automated testing I mean 19:03 tcohen i'm just negotiating magnuse 19:03 rambutan Just FYI, I'm finding the discussion quite interesting. 19:04 magnuse i'm adding it to the agenda for the next irc meeting :-) 19:04 magnuse tcohen: me too ;-) 19:04 tcohen u rock magnuse 19:05 tcohen cait_afk: testing is what you are doing or were talking about conditions for refactoring? 19:08 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_13_March_2013#Crowdfunding_for_big.2C_boring_improvements.3F 19:08 magnuse just to maybe set the ball rolling, feel free to edit 19:08 * magnuse gotta run 19:12 tcohen bye magnuse 19:13 tcohen i must say, i don't hate refactoring 19:15 jcamins tcohen: that's because you haven't done it enough. :P 19:16 tcohen probably jcamins 19:18 oleonard [off] Just ran across a great name in our patron database... Kit Fluker. Sounds like a Star Wars character 19:31 melia lol 19:33 jcamins [off] You know what's really weird? I know someone by that name. 19:34 oleonard [off] Is that person an intergalactic bounty hunter by chance jcamins ? 19:34 jcamins [off] Nope. Archivist. 19:35 libsysguy mmm scones 19:36 tcohen scones++ 19:36 libsysguy indeed 19:37 libsysguy tcohen and headway on the refactor? 19:37 libsysguy done yet? 19:37 tcohen the refactoring? 19:37 wahanui well, the refactoring is not rewriting it is abstracting. 19:38 jcamins wahanui: true only in part. 19:38 wahanui jcamins: sorry... 19:38 libsysguy yeah before I left weren't you an magnuse going to refactor the code base 19:38 libsysguy I was hoping it'd be done by the time I got back from lunch 19:38 libsysguy :p 19:39 libsysguy I don't think there are enough patches to QA 19:39 libsysguy so I was hoping to have something to tinker with HAHA 19:39 * libsysguy is sad there is no font for sarcasm 19:39 tcohen i'll start soon, hope you qa those patches :-P 19:43 alohabot Hi mib_iy84k7, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 19:43 mib_iy84k7 hello 19:43 oleonard When I saw this message I heard it in Lucy Liu's robotic voice 19:43 oleonard http://www.screencast.com/t/eaqSUNGc 19:43 oleonard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb1lcIugxOk) 19:45 mib_iy84k7 I'm new to the koha community, and was just wondering if anyone else was having problems with the RSS feed on the wordpress part of the site... 19:46 oleonard What kind of problem erosen? 19:46 erosen it isn't loading the RSS feed with the postings...I dont know if its a problem on my end or if the site is down 19:47 oleonard http://koha-community.org/feed/ 19:47 oleonard That looks to me like it has lots of content 19:48 erosen its actually the wordpress part of the site, not the announcements...I was hoping to put up a posting about a migration project I'm working on... 19:48 erosen the part where you log in to read it... 19:49 erosen At least I assumed there was a community bulletinboard part where you could post questions...do you know if there's a discussion group somewhere else,(perhaps//) 19:50 oleonard mailing lists? 19:50 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 19:51 erosen thanks, that was what I was looking for... 19:51 erosen just couldn't find it 19:52 cait_afk erosen: Koha or Koha-devel are probably the ones you want - please don't cross post :) 19:55 erosen THANKS! 19:58 wizzyrea also, no, there is not a community bulletin board, I think that's why we have the newsletter 19:58 wizzyrea and/or the mailing lists. 19:58 jcamins Mailing lists, mostly. 19:58 oleonard And the Google Group :P 19:58 jcamins lol 19:58 wizzyrea ...google group. 19:59 oleonard And the vBulletin board 20:09 melia jcamins: may I ask the status of bug 5079? you said in Comment 46 that you would push it if there were no objections. has it been pushed, or is it going to be? 20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs 20:09 libsysguy man that one is old 20:10 melia or wait - is it waiting for QA again? I can't tell what's going on there! 20:13 wizzyrea why on earth do we allow people to uncheck mandatory sample data? 20:13 wizzyrea i'm sure there's a very good reason (tm) 20:13 oleonard Is it 'sample' if it's mandatory? 20:13 jcamins melia: it needed another sign off, and I didn't notice that Ed had provided it. 20:14 melia ah ok. good thing I asked, then! :) 20:14 wizzyrea it's "other data" - Mandatory 20:14 wizzyrea but stuff like "standard authority types" 20:14 wizzyrea and the default framework?! 20:14 wahanui the default framework is ok in this case 20:14 wizzyrea forget the default framework 20:14 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot default framework 20:15 wizzyrea user permissions?! 20:15 wizzyrea sorry it's a boggly kind of morning. 20:15 jcamins melia: thanks. 20:16 jcamins The number of bugs in NSO/SO has gotten to the point that I can't follow them at all. 20:16 melia I know. there are oodles! 20:16 jcamins Which doesn't stop me trying... it just means I fail... 20:16 wizzyrea :/ 20:16 wizzyrea "less optimal" 20:18 * jcamins prefers the phrase "less than optimal." 20:18 Morthland I am trying to host a PDF off of my Koha instance 20:19 Morthland I receive the error 500. 20:19 wizzyrea where are you keeping it? 20:20 Morthland well, originally I had it in /koha/opac/ooc, 20:20 Morthland but I moved it to /koha/opac/cgi-bin/koha/ooc 20:20 Morthland no luck. 20:20 wizzyrea yea, ok what you should do 20:20 wizzyrea is make a folder in /var/www/files and make sure your koha user can read it 20:20 wizzyrea and host stuff there. 20:21 wizzyrea or make a folder /var/www/files 20:21 wizzyrea (files probably doesn't exist) 20:22 Morthland How would I link to that? ../../../../../var/www/files? 20:22 wizzyrea http://library.url/files/file.pdf 20:22 jcamins You may need to add a line to your Apache config too. 20:22 jcamins I don't remember. 20:23 wizzyrea yea I was just pondering that - 20:23 wizzyrea maybe you must have the default site enabled? which allows access to /var/www 20:23 wizzyrea yes, that must be it 20:24 jcamins wizzyrea: nah, it depends how you installed Koha. 20:24 jcamins Or when. 20:24 Morthland I installed from source 20:24 Morthland My koha is in /usr/share 20:24 jcamins At some point there was an Apache config that pointed to /var/www in addition to /usr/share/koha 20:25 jcamins What you want to do is add this line to your Apache config: Alias /files "/var/www/files" 20:25 Morthland right. 20:25 jcamins That'll go in both VirtualHosts. 20:25 wizzyrea ^ that 20:29 Morthland not scriptalias? 20:30 jcamins No, definitely not. 20:32 Morthland I just get 404. 20:37 cjh Morthland: have you restarted apache after making those changes? 20:38 Morthland yes. 20:38 cjh wouldnt the apache user have to have read access to /var/www, not the koha user? 20:38 cjh Morthland: did you modify the permissions for /var/www / 20:38 wizzyrea yes, actually you're right, I was thinking of the context of mpm-itk 20:38 jcamins cjh: No, Koha user- itk separates users. 20:38 wizzyrea ok never mind then. 20:39 jcamins Wait... does Koha not use itk by default? 20:39 Morthland just for /var/files/ooc 20:39 wizzyrea the packages does 20:39 cjh ahh the vhost definitions have assignuserid, didnt see that. 20:39 cjh at least in packages they do. 20:39 wizzyrea do 20:39 wizzyrea gah sorry grammar fail 20:39 Morthland Should I change the owner? 20:39 jcamins Morthland: the directory should be /var/files/ooc 20:40 jcamins */var/www/files/ooc 20:40 jcamins Sorry. 20:40 jcamins I was reading what you typed while I typed the correction. 20:40 cjh Morthland: you will need to make /var/www/files readable and execute for the koha user that you mention inside your apache config. 20:40 wizzyrea (if you mention one) 20:41 Morthland I haven't mentioned one that I know of. 20:41 Morthland sorry, yes, it is in var/www/files/ooc 20:43 wizzyrea and who owns ooc? 20:43 wizzyrea and what group? 20:43 wahanui group is there 20:43 wizzyrea forget group 20:43 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot group 20:43 cjh Morthland: if your look in your /etc/apache2/sites-enable/ for your apache2 file, there may be a line like "AssignUserID mykoha-koha mykoha-koha" mykoha-koha is your koha user. 20:43 Morthland out of copyright. We have a pretty substantial bibliacl studies library. 20:43 wizzyrea he installed from source 20:43 Morthland Do I make this the owner of the folder? 20:43 wizzyrea no I meant the directory, 20:46 Morthland my file access keeps resetting to --- 20:46 cjh how are you modifying it? 20:47 Morthland right click, properties, permissions 20:48 cjh who currently owns the folder? and what user are you doing this as? 20:48 Morthland as root, 20:48 Morthland root owns it. 20:50 cait_afk libsysguy++ 20:51 libsysguy 0_0 20:51 libsysguy what did I do? 20:53 Morthland I have to run. I'll let yall know how it comes. 20:53 Morthland Grace and Peace! 21:16 oleonard Later #koha 21:24 cait_afk oleonard++ 21:24 * cait_afk goes back to baking cake 21:43 rangi @wunder perth,wa 21:43 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found. 21:43 rangi @wunder perth australia 21:43 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Perth, Western Australia is 18.0°C (5:00 AM WST on March 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 21:43 rangi sposta be 34 today 21:44 cjh oh wow 21:44 cjh I'm not sure I would survive that. 21:45 * wizzyrea thinks "that's the summer I'm used to" 21:45 cait ew 21:47 rangi plus the crows sound like retarded monkeys here 21:47 rangi wtf is wrong with all the birds in australia 21:47 rangi they all sound utterly ridiculous 21:47 cjh heh 21:47 wizzyrea are you sure you don't just live near the zoo? 21:47 * wizzyrea has that problem every morning 21:48 wizzyrea not sure what the monkeys are doing, but they are EXCITED. 21:48 rangi nope but there are trees full of cockatoos 21:48 wizzyrea ok yea you win. 21:48 rangi and a retarded monkey crow 21:48 rangi outside somewhere 21:50 rangi https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/309419758535729153 21:50 cjh cockatoos are awesome 21:50 cjh although if they are wild they are probably loud.. 21:51 rangi they are 21:51 rangi kookabura = sounds mental 21:51 cjh what isn't there to like: http://bicycle2011.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/major-mitchell-cockatoo-pictures.jpg 21:51 rangi like a laughing serial killer 21:53 wizzyrea cjh have you seen RIO? 21:53 cjh yeah :( 21:53 wizzyrea birds are cute, but that one is a bad guy. 21:54 rangi you know who does his voice eh? 21:54 wizzyrea i sure do 21:56 rangi which reminds me wizzyrea you need to see eagle vs shark 21:56 wizzyrea i will have to google that 21:57 eythian oh, that's a good movie 21:57 rangi i have the dvd ill bring it to work 21:58 wizzyrea :D 22:05 dcook morning #koha 22:36 eythian hi 22:36 rambutan hi 22:37 * cait waves 22:47 dcook Bob Elgie's message on Koha General is pretty interesting. It is rather annoying to clone and re-position subfields in Cataloguing :/ 22:48 dcook I wonder how hard it would be to allow drag 'n drop for repositioning.. 22:49 dcook Or to clone pairs of subfields together.. 22:54 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8389906/Taupo-policemans-dance-duel-goes-viral 22:54 rangi dcook: a lot harder than you think 22:54 dcook hehe 22:55 dcook I didn't know you could read my mind, rangi :p 22:55 rangi hehe 22:55 rangi the way that page is generated and saved, would make it very tricky 22:56 rangi making a better cataloguing page would be probably easier 22:56 dcook Both those thoughts have been crossing my mind these past couple of minutes 22:56 dcook Cataloguing is a tough one. Personally, I really did like cataloguing interface in Horizon 22:57 rangi heres how id do it 22:57 dcook You could catalogue an entire record quite quickly without taking your hands off the keyboard 22:57 rangi look at the api in svc/ 22:57 rangi thats what marcedit is hooking into 22:57 rangi its a restful (ish) api 22:57 rangi that you can throw xml at 22:57 rangi and use that to save your record 22:58 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @27point7: "1 bug signed-off, 1 failed qa. midnight. going to bed... #kohails" 22:58 rangi and then do the editing etc all client side 22:58 rangi id be inclined to use localstorage and html5 22:59 rangi will be a zillion times faster 22:59 rangi and, is bascially a firefoxOS app too 22:59 rangi :) 23:00 cait inspiring :) 23:00 rangi but yeah if you had client side stuff to manipulate the marcxml 23:00 rangi then all you need to do is post it to the svc/ api 23:00 rangi and it gets saved 23:00 * rangi hopes that makes sense 23:01 melia a library has asked if it would cause any problems within Koha if they re-use barcodes from deleted items. anybody have opinions on that? 23:01 dcook I certainly like the concept. Now the little hamsters in my brain are trying to figure out how to make it, rangi :p 23:01 rangi it will 23:01 rangi (cause problems melia) 23:01 melia I figured. b/c the barcode is still stored in deleteditems, right? 23:02 rangi but only when they try to delete the new item 23:02 rangi yes 23:02 melia ok I got you. thanks rangi! 23:03 wizzyrea but I think that's a bug 23:03 wizzyrea (even though barcodes are cheap) 23:04 rangi whats a bug? 23:04 wahanui rumour has it a bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber 23:04 wizzyrea reusing barcodes causes a problem 23:04 rangi the only way round it is to lose the ability to resurrect deleted items 23:04 rangi which is a bigger bug :) 23:04 wizzyrea or have an option to "reuse barcodes" 23:05 rangi nope that would lose it 23:05 wizzyrea whereby you nuke out the barcode. 23:05 rangi exactly 23:05 wizzyrea (but only that) 23:05 wizzyrea then you can resurrect the item, and give it a new (old) barcode 23:05 wizzyrea unless my logic is flawed there somehow. 23:05 rangi you cant find it 23:05 rangi once you nuke the barcode 23:06 rangi so if you nuke barcode on delete, how do you ever find it to undelete? 23:06 wizzyrea append an identifier "barcode-deleted" 23:07 rangi how about if you have 500000 of those 23:07 rangi read them all? 23:07 wizzyrea it'd get pretty mad 23:07 wizzyrea ;) 23:07 wizzyrea barcode + itemnumber 23:07 rangi its the only human identifable part of an item really 23:07 rangi yeah but how would hte librarian know the itemnumber 23:08 wizzyrea they wouldnt :P but they wouldn't have to 23:08 wizzyrea because when you are resurrecting, the itemnumber is ignored 23:08 wizzyrea but it does keep it unique 23:08 cait the field is limited in size 23:09 cait I am not sure reusing barcodes really makes sense, the only use case I can think of is non-repogrammable rfid tags 23:09 wizzyrea it doesn't make sense 23:09 wizzyrea it's a 123 23:09 wizzyrea buy more barcodes, it's cheap 23:09 rangi wizzyrea: they cant find it if it has no barcode and they dont know the itemnumber 23:09 wizzyrea but people will still see 5c as an expense 23:09 cait deelte the barcode before deleting the item 23:09 cait *shrug* 23:09 cait if you want to reuse 23:09 rangi no point 23:09 rangi if you delee the barcode 23:10 rangi the deleteditems table is useless 23:10 rangi so just dont save to it 23:10 rangi if you want to reuse barcode 23:10 wizzyrea yea, might as well not even do that 23:10 rangi nuking barcodes makes the table pointless 23:10 cait hm in part 23:10 cait here we also have inventory numbers 23:10 wizzyrea naw you can't find a specific item without the barcode, unless you know the itemnumber 23:10 cait so losing the barcode would not be so bad, the inventory numberis normally written or stamped into the book 23:10 wizzyrea but why would you know the itemnumber 23:11 rangi exactly 23:11 cait but I admit that inventory numbers are an exception .. 23:11 wizzyrea but I do think that appending the itemnumber to the barcode could be a way round this - at least then you could get a list out of all items that HAD that barcode. 23:12 rangi its an option 23:12 wizzyrea sure you couldn't necessarily tell which one (biblionumber is in there too though) 23:12 wizzyrea *was the one that you wanted (didn't finish my thought there) 23:12 cait wizzyrea: wouldn't it be enough to add just a d- or something? 23:12 wizzyrea (rather interrupted myself) 23:12 rangi but i think probably if you want to reuse, you should just not save the deleted item 23:12 cait ah... not for multiple reuses 23:12 * cait is quiet 23:13 cait rangi: I think libraries here have to keep track of every item they delete 23:13 rangi cos otherwise the deleteditem table and the items table become different 23:13 rangi in schema 23:13 cait so it's actually a very useful feature for more than resurrecting :) 23:13 rangi and that is dangerous 23:13 * cait waves good night 23:14 wizzyrea explain 23:14 wizzyrea (please) 23:14 rangi cos all the routines that delete now have to be changed to do some extra logic, undelete is also no longer a select into 23:15 wizzyrea where is undelete? 23:15 * dcook is curious about undelete as well 23:16 wizzyrea or is that one of the lost functions 23:16 rangi not in koha, it got killed round 3.0 the code is still there, but you can do it trivially easily from mysql 23:16 rangi select * from deleteditems where barcode='fish' into items (not the right syntax but something like that) 23:17 dcook Doesn't seem very user-friendly though 23:17 wizzyrea no, we blame he-who-shall-not-be-named 23:17 dcook Unless the librarian is passing a list of barcodes to the systems person/folk 23:17 rangi you could resurrect the undelete if you want, its still all there in code 23:17 rangi dcook: thats usually the safest/best way 23:17 rangi even if the gui option existed 23:18 rangi ok i better get up and start getting ready for breakfast 23:18 dcook O_o 23:18 rangi stupid timezones 23:18 * wizzyrea thinks it's time for lunch 23:18 dcook Ahh 23:18 dcook Perth 23:18 dcook Right? 23:18 rangi yep 23:19 dcook Have fun. I think it's late enough in the morning that I need to switch from sweet to savoury.. 23:19 * dcook looks for his cheese and onion scones