IRC log for #koha, 2012-11-02

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00:21 eythian wahanui: kathryn is on the left of https://lh4.googleusercontent.[…]s720/ROSS9901.JPG
00:21 wahanui OK, eythian.
00:22 kathryn wahanui eythian is a pest
00:22 wahanui ...but eythian is a good influence or located somewhere....
00:22 kathryn no he's not
00:22 kathryn well not today.
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00:34 wizzyrea lol kathryn
00:35 kathryn oh time it will be you
00:35 wizzyrea I am sure it will be
00:38 * cait waves to kathryn and wizzyrea :)
00:38 * wizzyrea sings the magic cait greeting song
00:38 cait oh?
00:38 wizzyrea i don't know how it goes but it's pretty and melodic.
00:38 * kathryn waves back and bobs along
00:38 cait lol
00:38 cait ok :)
00:39 kathryn I means sways
00:39 * wizzyrea wonders why cait isn't in bed.
00:39 wizzyrea @excuse
00:39 huginn wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
00:39 wizzyrea excuse?
00:39 cait excuse?
00:39 wahanui wizzyrea: kernel panic: write-only-memory (/dev/wom0) capacity exceeded.
00:39 wahanui cait: divide-by-zero error
00:39 cait see :)
00:39 wizzyrea sems logical
00:40 cait and it's still vacation + a holiday today in germany
00:40 wizzyrea ohhhh
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00:42 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
00:43 mtompset I was wondering if anyone might know if there is a way to auto-magically generate the LDR records in a MARC file.
00:43 eythian surely you jest :)
00:44 eythian not in a meaningful way, it requires semantic information
00:44 eythian the record size is about the only bit that can be.
00:44 eythian unless you mean in the Koha cataloguing interface, where I think it just happens when you click, doesn't it?
00:46 wizzyrea it does
00:47 wizzyrea i'm not sure, however, that its entirely accurate - how could it be you haven't specified anything about the item yet?
00:47 wizzyrea i think it gives every item the same LDR
00:47 rangi its not even slightly accurate
00:47 eythian that's what I'd expect
00:47 wizzyrea whether that's right or not
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00:47 rangi you use the dropdown thingy
00:47 rangi if you want an accurate one
00:47 wizzyrea "thingy" must be a technical term
00:48 eythian wahanui: status
00:48 wahanui Since Wed Sep 26 23:44:47 2012, there have been 1396 modifications and 396 questions.  I have been awake for 36 days, 1 hour, 3 minutes, 24 seconds this session, and currently reference 22881 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
00:54 wizzyrea oh my!
00:54 mtompset I have data in SFM format, which is pretty easy to map to MARC, but there's no LDR record to map. So, can I import it without an LDR record?
00:55 mtompset I mean field... ARG, I keep messing up records and fields with respect to MARC files.
00:57 eythian oh, just grab the LDR from a stereotypical record and slap it in.
00:58 mtompset Koha doesn't validate the LDR field?
00:59 mtompset MARC?\
00:59 mtompset MARC?
00:59 wahanui The MARC specs live at - abandon hope all ye who enter here.
01:08 eythian[…]656305664/photo/1
01:08 eythian mtompset: validate against what?
01:09 mtompset Against validate value ranges for each position?
01:09 mtompset Against valid value ranges for each position?
01:10 eythian well, there's documented values, but aside from the size part, there's probably an excuse for having anything
01:11 mtompset true enough.
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05:56 * Oak waves
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05:59 Oak wizzyrea, you live in US right?
05:59 wizzyrea oak - not at the moment... why for?
06:00 Oak ah okay. just wondering if nengard is okay.
06:00 wizzyrea oh yes, she's fine and well - I think they were supposed to get power back tonight
06:00 Oak oh good
06:02 Oak Brooke said we should worry about Nicole not her.
06:03 Oak i did not even know about the whole thing... as I don't watch tv, and well, don't read newspaper either. bad habit i know.
06:07 mtompset I think I saw nengard on yesterday.
06:08 mtompset greetings, Oak and wizzyrea.
06:08 mtompset Welcome to a timezone closer to the Philippines, wizzyrea. ;)
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06:13 francharb good morning #koha
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06:45 Oak hello mtompset :)
06:45 Oak morning francharb
06:46 mtompset Greetings, francharb.
06:46 francharb hi Oak, mtompset
06:46 mtompset cait must be commuting and/or having lousy connectivity today.
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07:17 * magnuse waves
07:27 magnuse slides?
07:27 wahanui kf should be writing slides
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07:37 Oak magnuse
07:38 magnuse Oak
07:38 magnuse yay!
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07:42 reiveune hello
07:42 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
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07:49 mtompset Oops... greetings, magnuse. bonjour, reiveune. :)
07:50 reiveune hi :)
07:50 magnuse kia ora!
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08:12 gaetan_B hello
08:26 mtompset Ooo... mode +o, she has the power. Does that make wizzyrea She-ra? ;)
08:26 mtompset A little late for a halloween related joke, oh well. :)
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08:48 * cait-m waves
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08:50 mveron Good morning #koha
08:51 cait-m hi mveron
08:51 mveron Hi cait-m :-)
08:53 mveron I see that de-DE is completely translated, will there be any changes? Otherwise I teake it now for de-CH...
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08:56 cait mveron: don't know about changes, I think we might find some things to correct while testing
08:57 cait but you might wan to test de-ch too... so maybe good to start that
08:57 Oak so how is marcus?
08:58 mveron cait: OK, I will do. When ist deadline for translations?
08:58 * magnuse waves to cait
08:58 cait I am not sure
08:58 Oak hmm
08:58 cait shortly before release I would guess
08:58 cait hi magnuse :)
08:59 magnuse should be shortly before the release, i think?
08:59 magnuse a day or two
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09:20 Maxie2012 Hello!
09:23 Maxie2012 I have just managed to install the Koha 3.8 package on Debian Squeeze following the instructions from a link that was recommended i.e.[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
09:25 Maxie2012 I used the koha-common package
09:25 magnuse well done Maxie2012!
09:27 Maxie2012 I entered the command to create the Koha instance and reached the part that says "Once done you should be able to see something at http://kohaadmin/ and http://koha/ from your desktop machine."
09:27 Maxie2012 I'm STUCK!!  I don't know how to get in!
09:27 Maxie2012 help....!
09:27 wahanui help is at if no-one here can help.
09:30 Maxie2012 well...I was hoping someone here could give me some clue as to what I should be looking for and where....unfortunately, I'm also not familiar with Linux
09:30 Maxie2012 As such, I don't even know if the installation was successful...
09:41 Maxie2012 can anyone help explain what it means when it says you should be able to see something...
09:41 Oak Maxie2012, where does it say that?
09:42 Oak what does http://localhost in your browser say?
09:42 Oak and http://localhost:8080
09:44 Maxie2012 in the documentation.....Koha 3.8 on Debian Squeeze
09:48 Maxie2012 went to http://localhost and it says SYSTEM MAINENANCE The Koha online catalogue is offline for system maintenance
09:50 magnuse woohoo, that means it's mostly working!
09:50 magnuse how about http://localhost:8080/
09:52 magnuse Maxie2012: what you see on http://localhost is the opac, but you need to visit the intranet and run through the webinstaller before you can actually see the opac
09:53 Maxie2012 when I go to http://localhost:8080/ it says unable to load page
09:54 Maxie2012 okay...I know this is really a dumb question, but how do I visit the intranet?
09:55 Maxie2012 I've been trying for about an there a command I can key in from the command line?
09:55 Maxie2012 that's what I meant by I can't get in...
10:15 Maxie2012 seriously....can anyone out there help?
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10:16 Maxie2012 I just can't get to my intranet site to access the Web Installer
10:25 magnuse oops, sorry about that Maxie...
10:45 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
10:45 magnuse kia ora jcamins
10:46 magnuse have you ventured outside yet?
10:47 jcamins Oh, yeah. We went for a walk a few days ago.
10:48 magnuse yay
10:55 * magnuse wonders what an "Immediate parent body" is...
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10:57 * cait waves back
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11:02 jcamins magnuse: American Numismatic Society. Library -> American Numismatic Society
11:03 magnuse ah hah
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11:35 paul_p good morning jcamins & magnuse & others (well, for magnus & me it's no more the morning ;-) )
11:35 magnuse good middle-of-the-day to you too paul_p :-)
11:36 paul_p magnuse = for you is it middle of the day or middle of the night ? :D :D
11:37 magnuse ? definitely middle of the day :-)
11:44 * jcamins adds an auto-signoff switch to git-bz for the release process.
11:53 jcamins @later tell chris_n Could you please take a look at bug 8490? I can test and sign off, if you can confirm that the change is reasonable.
11:53 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
11:54 jcamins paul_p: there's actually another workaround, I think.
11:54 jcamins Erase $ARGV in your psgi.
11:54 paul_p jcamins = yep, but OTOH, I don't see why we should keep $ARGV, so, it's a better fix
11:55 paul_p jcamins = about the auto-signoff to git-bz, please share this with us !!!
11:55 jcamins paul_p: I'm inclined to agree with you, but if that's actually used from the command line, we can suggest erasing ARGV.
11:55 * paul_p just finished the tour of all bugs that have 'Plack' somewhere !
11:57 paul_p bug 8892, bug 8997, bug 8949, need signoff !
11:57 jcamins paul_p: would you object if I corrected the grammar of your warning?
11:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8892 major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Plack variable scoping in
11:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8997 major, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Dead code in C4/Language causing useless SQL queries
11:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8949 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Trying to view help on a page without any help results in a Perl error
11:57 paul_p jcamins = of course no !!!
11:59 jcamins I can't test bug 8892, since no matter what I do I can't get the acquisitions module to stop telling me to create a budget, but I can test the other two.
12:04 jcamins paul_p:
12:07 paul_p jcamins = about the acquisition, do you have a budget that is ACTIVE ?
12:08 jcamins I did. I deleted it with the plan to go back and create a new active budget, in the hopes that maybe it would help.
12:09 jcamins paul_p: a signoff on bug 9005 would be much appreciated. The way I can't just activate a language drives me nuts.
12:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9005 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Changing sysprefs requires restart under Plack
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12:13 jcamins Okay, chris_n confirms your fix on bug 8490 is safe.
12:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8490 blocker, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Error when adding label layout under plack
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12:19 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:20 jcamins Is there a reason that the headings on the facets aren't translated?
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12:24 oleonard jcamins: The headings don't come from the template, they come from the script: [% facets_loo.type_label %]
12:24 jcamins oleonard: ah.
12:24 jcamins Yuck.
12:25 oleonard Wait, that's not entirely true
12:26 oleonard Actually now I'm confused about it
12:26 oleonard This line: [% facets_loo.type_label %]
12:26 oleonard followed by [% IF ( facets_loo.type_label_Authors ) %]Authors[% END %] etc.
12:27 libsysguy sounds like a bandaid gone bad
12:27 oleonard And in the OPAC the template lacks the [% facets_loo.type_label %] line
12:28 oleonard So where are you seeing untranslated headings jcamins ?
12:29 jcamins
12:29 oleonard Incomplete translation?
12:29 jcamins I guess that could be.
12:29 jcamins Same issue in Bokmal.
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12:30 oleonard I don't know how one checks to see if a translation is incomplete or whether you're seeing something which cannot be translated
12:31 * jcamins does.
12:31 * jcamins delegates this question to cait, for when she gets home from her vacation.
12:32 chris_n jcamins paul_p: ARGV was a quick and dirty debug tool I used early in dev of the label stuff
12:33 paul_p chris_n yep, seen your comment. And jcamins has signed off -;)
12:33 chris_n its safe to remove it and/or replace it where necessary
12:33 chris_n getopts would be better for the scripts that are cli useful
12:33 * chris_n hopes to get back to Koha in Jan 2013
12:33 jcamins chris_n: as a debug tool in the future, it is possible to pass HTTP arguments on the command line: ./ arg=whatever
12:34 chris_n right
12:34 chris_n there was a reason I did not do that, but I cannot recall atm :)
12:34 chris_n probably frustration with very broken code or some such
12:35 * chris_n tends to grab the hammer too quickly sometimes
12:35 libsysguy ^^ same
12:36 * chris_n heads back to the world of elusive voip problems
12:36 libsysguy poor chris_n, he was a good fellow
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12:41 jcamins paul_p: if you revise that patch, you may want to use my changed text.
12:42 paul_p jcamins ???
12:42 wahanui somebody said jcamins was too young to be the President of the United States.  Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
12:43 jcamins paul_p: bug 9008
12:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9008 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Failed QA , Warn if librarian logged-in with mysql/admin account
12:43 oleonard paul_p: I noticed a typo
12:43 jcamins oleonard found some problems with the markup.
12:44 * paul_p confused... jcamins weren't you talking to oleonard in fact when you said " paul_p: if you revise that patch, you may want to use my changed text."
12:44 * paul_p has a confirmation that he is invited for a conference in New Delhi in february, to talk about Koha. /me happy !!!
12:45 jcamins paul_p: not unless oleonard is revising the patch for bug 9008.
12:45 jcamins Yay!
12:45 oleonard congrats paul_p
12:45 oleonard I'd be happy to submit a revised patch for 9008 if that would help. jcamins, you suggest a text change?
12:46 jcamins oleonard: the text change is in the patch I signed off on.
12:48 oleonard "admin login" seems ambiguous. I wonder if there's a better way of saying that.
12:49 jcamins Possibly, but I'm not sure what it is.
12:49 oleonard "MySQL user" more accurate but not less confusing?
12:50 oleonard "database administrator login?"
12:50 jcamins Hm. That makes sesne.
12:50 jcamins *sense
12:58 * libsysguy now remembers what he was going to ask chris_n
13:05 jcamins I need some commit hooks.
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13:18 oleonard khall around?
13:24 oleonard Neat, I didn't know you could pass an arbitrary set of bug numbers to Bugzilla and get a nice list
13:24 oleonard[…]358&list_id=45371
13:25 oleonard These are the bugs from paul_p's list for 3.10
13:32 oleonard I forget... If I want to sign off on something and sneakily include a tiny typo fix how should I do it?
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13:33 jcamins oleonard: make the change, add the file, and then use git commit --amend -s
13:34 oleonard Ah, I missed the add the file step
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13:51 oleonard Custom Google search of the manual broken? I don't see the form on
13:52 jcamins oleonard: it shows up and works for me.
13:53 oleonard Must be my don't-track-me-bro settings in my browser
13:54 jcamins Probably.
13:55 oleonard 3.6 was the first Template::Toolkit version wasn't it?
13:55 jcamins 3.4.
13:55 oleonard Oh, even further back. So these custom RSS feeds have been broken since 3.4
13:56 oleonard I don't think we need to warn anyone about removing them since they can't have been working for that log
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13:57 jcamins Well, if people had their own templates they might not have been affected.
13:57 jcamins Maybe.
13:58 mtompset Greetings, jcamins and oleonard.
13:59 mtompset I have a coding question... I have a file with markers that map relatively easily to MARC fields and subfields... how do I actually build a MARC::Record in a disjointed manner? That is, one marker is 245$a, but the next line is 245$b. How do I get them on the same 245 field?
14:00 jcamins Check if a 245 exists before creating a new one?
14:01 mtompset Okay... I've done that... but how do I update the existing one?
14:01 mtompset I don't see a function which returns a MARC::Field object in MARC::Record.
14:02 jcamins mtompset:[…]C/
14:02 mtompset That doesn't return a MARC::Field.
14:02 mtompset I think fields() does, but then I have to find the right one.
14:03 mtompset Is there a better way?
14:03 gmcharlt mtompset: it does in fact return a MARC::Field object (or list of them, in list context)
14:03 mtompset fields() does, but field('245') doesn't.
14:04 jcamins mtompset: yes it does. my $field = $record->field('245').
14:05 mtompset Oh shoot... typo on my part... that explains it.
14:05 mtompset s vs. no s.
14:06 mtompset Finally... I knew asking would help me debug. :)
14:07 gmcharlt so *that's* what it feels like when gdb attches to one's brain ;)
14:08 mtompset YES!
14:09 mtompset Now to run the MarcEdit validation...
14:09 mtompset Oh shoot! That sucks... I thought 700$a was repeatable.
14:10 jcamins No, of course not.
14:10 jcamins 7xx fields are controlled.
14:10 mtompset Well, neither is 100$a.
14:10 jeff 700 is repeatable, 700$a is not.
14:10 jcamins In MARC, 1xx, 6xx, 7xx, and some 8xx fields are controlled.
14:10 jcamins That means no repeating $a. You have to repeat the entire field.
14:13 jcamins mtompset: I guess you found another library-related posting?
14:13 mtompset No, this is the same project... It just keeps growing.
14:14 mtompset We're working in Asia, so we are now adding branches in another country now.
14:14 mtompset And they have their library files in yet another bizarre format.
14:14 jcamins Ah.
14:15 mtompset Well, not really bizzare, just I would not have expected SFM files.
14:15 jcamins Never heard of them.
14:16 mtompset paste?
14:16 wahanui i heard paste was found at
14:16 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "Sample dummy record of SFM file" (3 lines) at
14:17 mtompset Each MARC record is delimited like a MRK file, a blank line.
14:17 jcamins Oh, yeah, I've seen those.
14:17 mtompset The tags at the front of the line map to various fields/subfields.
14:18 mtompset It's used in an application called toolbox.
14:18 mtompset or is it shoebox now...
14:18 mtompset I can't remember which is newer.
14:18 mtompset But it is available for download for free.
14:18 mtompset And was more intended for dictionary development.
14:19 mtompset But it can be used for a very elementary library catalogue.
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14:27 mtompset Okay... next question... I put some don't generate blank field logic in my code, and now there are only "three" problem records.
14:28 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "How would you resolve these kinds of problems?" (2 lines) at
14:29 jcamins I'd get them to recatalog that record, since it's clearly wrong but what they meant is unclear.
14:30 mtompset Okay... so pass them the MRK file to clean up.
14:30 jcamins Yes. They have to figure out who wrote the book.
14:30 mtompset What if it was co-authored?
14:31 jcamins Then they have to decide that.
14:31 jcamins First author goes in 100, second author goes in 700.
14:31 jcamins However, based on that information, you have no way of knowing whether that's one person or two.
14:32 jcamins Especially not programmatically.
14:36 mtompset My guess is two... look at the second $a on the 700 and the 100$a... two individual names, and the first one merges them.
14:36 mtompset The problem is there's no nice way to clean that programmatically.
14:37 jcamins Yeah, that'd be my guess as well.
14:37 jcamins But the only way to be sure is to have them correct it.
14:37 mtompset It's gets uglier on the other example, they change the order of first name and last name.
14:38 jcamins You mean the put the names in the correct order?
14:52 oleonard Ugh, I'm in and my brain hurts now!
14:53 jcamins oleonard: I could've told you that was a bad idea.
14:53 oleonard *Sigh* It's for the good of the cause.
14:53 jcamins What are you working on?
14:55 oleonard Bug 8975 requires that something with notforloan < 0 be both categorized as unavailable *and* set the $can_place_holds variable to 1
14:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8975 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , search results should say on order in staff client
14:56 oleonard I'm just working through the logic of if not lost, not withdrawn, not damaged, etc.
14:57 paul_p jcamins about ?
14:57 jcamins paul_p: I am.
14:58 paul_p jcamins I agreed with nicole that I could push for 3.10 patches related to online documentation, despite String Freeze. So, could you push patches she submitted on bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8945 ?
14:58 huginn Bug 8945: major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.10 Help Files Update
14:59 jcamins paul_p: they need to be QAed.
14:59 paul_p jcamins (they're all html only, online help only, so don't wait for "passed QA"
14:59 jcamins Okay, I will review them in a bit.
14:59 paul_p jcamins but if you want my "passed QA" official statement, I can add it on the bug ;-)
14:59 jcamins That would be appreciated.
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15:02 paul_p jcamins done
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15:19 mveron It seems that parts of 'Edit quotes for QOTD feature' is not translatable. In German I get things like "Showing 1 to 4 of 4 entries". Seems to be related to koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/js/datatables.js
15:20 mveron Can anybody confirm for other languages?
15:25 oleonard The include should pass the translatable strings to the script. I wonder if the problem is that stray </script> at line 9 of
15:28 mveron oleonard: I will test it.
15:29 nengard oleonard, manual updated regarding clicking tags: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]ml#tagsmoderation
15:30 oleonard Thanks nengard
15:43 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period), #koha. Bye.
15:57 * oleonard emerges safely from with what he hopes is a working patch
15:58 oleonard Here's me inside trying to get a working patch:[…]cisions-decisions
16:00 reiveune bye
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16:02 mtj jcamins, i spotted yr acq/budgets problems before…
16:02 jcamins mtj: do you have a solution? :)
16:02 mtj are you testing using the kohaadmin/db user?
16:02 jcamins No, should I be?
16:02 mtj no
16:03 mtj i was doing some acq testing as kohaadmin, and got that similar error… :/
16:03 jcamins But when you logged in as a regular user it worked?
16:03 mtj switching to a proper user, fixed that problem, for me
16:03 mtj yep
16:03 jcamins Humbug.
16:04 jcamins Maybe the problem is that the budget was created by the database user.
16:04 mtj i googled, and spotted khall had the same problem as me...
16:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8945' into 3.12-master <[…]710681681e718ab40> / Bug 8945: Update Tags help files for 3.10 <[…]18d388de67fe1c467> / Bug 8945: Tools Help Files <[…]c807bad1467d25761
16:08 jcamins Oh, there's another bug that passed QA.
16:08 mtj hmm not sure,  i qa-ed some acq bugs 2 days ago on master, and the budgets/funds setup worked ok for me, on a fresh db
16:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #927 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries - Followup <[…]60befe4e4963ce013> / Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries. <[…]a6d7111bef634cc22>
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16:27 jcamins HTML isn't printer-friendly no matter what, is it?
16:30 jcamins And when I say "printer-friendly" what I really mean is "I can't use HTML instead of LaTeX, no matter how much I want to be lazy, can I?"
16:30 oleonard It is if you're willing to relinquish control over how it looks
16:31 jcamins oleonard: we're talking about _me_.
16:31 oleonard :)
16:33 * jcamins revisits XSL-FO.
16:37 jcamins Oh, XSL-FO. Are you a standard still trying to find your place, or are you just DOA?
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16:45 gaetan_B bye
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16:54 jeff jcamins: the wikipedia Talk page for XSL Formatting Objects has two requests for information on the standard's future dating back to 2008, but the Apache FOP project did have a 1.1 release within the last two weeks.
16:55 jeff jcamins: Now it is time to play a game I like to call "STABLE? OR DEAD?"
16:55 jcamins jeff: hehe. Yup. That's exactly where I am.
16:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #6 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:58 jcamins I am trying to decide, which of these is more evil: images and UTF-8 in LaTeX, indexes in XSL-FO, or documentation in InDesign.
16:59 jcamins They're all more evil. I meant I'm trying to figure out which is _least_ evil.
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17:13 tcohen what's the problem with LaTeX?
17:14 tcohen r u using texlive 2012?
17:15 jcamins tcohen: lambda kills kittens, and pdflatex isn't fond of unicode either.
17:15 jcamins There's a new version?
17:15 jcamins Ooh!
17:15 jcamins New version of LaTeX
17:16 tcohen debian has had problems packaging texlive (and hence ubuntu)
17:17 tcohen (precise comes with 2009 version)
17:17 jcamins Yeah, 2009 is what I have.
17:17 tcohen but quantal has 2012 already so...
17:17 jcamins I figured it was so stable that they'd just stopped working on it. :P
17:17 tcohen for my thesis i had to (conveniently) install by hand the 2012 version
17:17 tcohen which is just straightforwrd
17:18 tcohen with a script that is provided in the texlive site (texlive > the new latex distribution, superseding tetex)
17:19 jcamins Hm. I shall experiment.
17:19 tcohen
17:21 libsysguy1 qa tools?
17:22 libsysguy1 poo wahanui
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17:27 libraryman hi
17:27 wahanui hey, libraryman
17:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #222 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:27 libraryman need help want to upload my data(books)to koha
17:28 jcamins libraryman: what format are the books in?
17:28 jcamins *records
17:28 libraryman excel
17:29 jcamins You will need to convert them into MARC.
17:29 jcamins A lot of people use Marcedit for that.
17:29 jcamins marcedit?
17:29 wahanui marcedit is a great tool to help you with that.  Or there are other Marc Editing tools you can use as well.  well there ya have it from kf_a!
17:30 * Oak waves goodbye
17:30 libraryman can i upload them all at once?
17:30 jcamins wahanui: forget marcedit
17:30 wahanui jcamins: I forgot marcedit
17:30 jcamins libraryman: yes, if you convert them to MARC.
17:30 libraryman how
17:30 libraryman will csv help
17:31 jcamins marcedit is a tool for editing MARC records. It can also convert spreadsheets to MARC. See[…]it/html/index.php
17:31 jcamins Yes, CSV is generally better to start with than Excel.
17:31 libraryman k
17:31 libraryman so all i need is the conversion
17:31 libraryman tnx pals
17:32 jcamins Assuming you have Koha installed and set up, yes.
17:32 libraryman k
17:32 libraryman it is installd
17:33 jcamins So, yes, if you convert the records to MARC you can just upload the records using the "Stage MARC Records" tool.
17:34 libraryman tnx man!tis realy insightful
17:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #927: SUCCESS in 1 hr 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/927/
17:59 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Serials Help Files for 3.10
17:59 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Update suggestion help file for 3.10
17:59 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Update lists help for 3.10
17:59 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Tools Help Files
17:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8945 major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , Koha 3.10 Help Files Update
17:59 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Update Tags help files for 3.10
18:00 libraryman having issue convert my records in execl into marc
18:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #928 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:01 libraryman the stuff is trowin error
18:01 libsysguy tcohen you around?
18:01 tcohen yup
18:01 jcamins libraryman: I don't know how to use marcedit, sorry.
18:02 libraryman tnx man
18:02 libsysguy do I need all 3 patches to on bug 8800
18:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
18:02 tcohen no
18:02 libsysguy just the last one?
18:02 tcohen the last one is a rewrite, as the first failed qa
18:02 tcohen yes, the last one
18:02 wahanui i guess the last one is the first one if you look backwards.
18:03 libsysguy oh okay, what is the middle one?
18:03 tcohen a patch that applies to 3.8
18:03 tcohen obsolete it too
18:03 libsysguy okay
18:04 libsysguy I just didn't want to clutter up my nice clean qa space
18:04 libsysguy :p
18:04 tcohen look elliot, i really tried to fix this the way paul said
18:04 tcohen i just didn't understand the code, that was too complex
18:04 tcohen (unnecesarilly)
18:04 libsysguy uh oh lol
18:05 tcohen is it ok if you write another patch for this
18:05 libsysguy heh I am having to refactor my code.  If yours doesn't work I'll take a poke at fixing the current code before I delete it :p
18:06 tcohen as i see it if the code has big branches inside, it is better to call a specific function for that
18:06 tcohen (days vs. hours)
18:07 tcohen and mixing branches is much worse
18:07 tcohen (that's what the code does
18:07 tcohen having multiple if hours... inside every  branch)
18:08 libsysguy okay, well I'll give it a shot
18:08 tcohen at least we can now read which syspref case is handled by which branch
18:10 oleonard *Sigh,* that was fast. Bug 8975.
18:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8975 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , search results should say on order in staff client
18:10 nengard sorry oleonard
18:10 nengard i was pretty excited about it
18:11 nengard it did what i wanted, but didn't pass the tests you laid out
18:12 oleonard Heh, I guess I shouldn't be so thorough in my test plans ;)
18:12 nengard hehe
18:14 oleonard nengard: AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems is turned off and you still see the holds link on the search results page?
18:14 nengard yes
18:15 nengard mind you that's the case in master too
18:15 nengard it's a bug that's not related to the thing you fixed
18:15 nengard but it's in your test plan
18:15 nengard and i don't know if it's a reported bug
18:15 nengard or one we just now found
18:16 oleonard I don't find it to be the case. I'm looking at a record with one item, that item is damaged,  AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems is off... I see "No holds allowed" instead of the holds link
18:17 oleonard ...and the same in master
18:21 gmcharlt @quote random
18:21 jcamins gmcharlt: just a moment too late!
18:21 * gmcharlt kicks huggin
18:22 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:22 rangi heh
18:23 rangi need more coffee obviously
18:25 rangi weather has returned to normal rainy and windy here
18:26 rangi sposta be meeting wizzyrea, trea and spud at the railway station to go to the pet expo today
18:27 nengard oleonard are you a superlibrarian ? maybe it's cause i'm a superlibrarian
18:27 nengard or maybe it's cause i'm just too tired to see straight
18:27 oleonard I am
18:28 rangi[…]ll-funnel-of-fun/
18:28 nengard oleonard it's the latter
18:28 nengard I see it right now on master
18:28 nengard will try patch again
18:28 jcamins nengard: it could also have been indexing delay.
18:29 rangi you can see the new te takere library :)
18:29 nengard oh! jcamins i like your explanation better
18:29 nengard i did just reindex
18:30 nengard oleonard, one problem
18:31 rangi awww
18:31 rangi "The last meal I had with colleagues was with developers. I had forgotten how endearing they can be."
18:31 nengard a damaged item can't be put on hold - but it can be checked out - at least there is no rule against it - but because of the preference to not allow holds it says that damaged items are unavailable
18:31 rangi (that was with eythian, mtj, and me)
18:32 rangi (dont mind me im just talking to myself hehe)
18:32 oleonard ...and it's very endearing rangi.
18:32 oleonard nengard: That makes sense, but it's outside the scope of the bug I think
18:32 rangi heh
18:32 nengard okey dokey
18:32 nengard signing off
18:32 wahanui it has been said that signing off is a great idea! or at[…]gn_off_on_patches
18:33 chris_n lol
18:34 tcohen hmm, our redmine setup thinks koha has too much commits :-D
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18:35 rangi heh
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18:38 rangi im quite a fan of redmine
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18:38 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:38 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 03, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
18:40 gmcharlt @quote random
18:40 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #68: "gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to rename Cataloging 101 to Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" (added by wizzyrea_laptop at 08:17 PM, March 10, 2010)
18:40 rangi heh
18:40 rangi thats still a good one
18:41 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:41 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 03, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
18:41 rangi hmm
18:41 rangi i wish it had wind direction/speed
18:42 rangi ah ha
18:42 rangi northerly 35kmph gusting to 50kmph .. just the usual then
18:44 rangi oh man, now he's trolling prospective support suppliers too
18:45 jcamins rangi: why draw the line at "limited trolling"?
18:45 rangi heh
18:47 tcohen libsysguy, what do u think of a new bug for revisiting Calendar.t?
18:48 oleonard I wonder why the OPAC has a publication date range search and the staff client doesn't
18:50 rangi hmm thats a bit odd
18:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #6: SUCCESS in 1 hr 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.10.x/6/
18:53 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Serials Help Files for 3.10
18:53 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Update suggestion help file for 3.10
18:53 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Update lists help for 3.10
18:53 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Tools Help Files
18:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8945 major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , Koha 3.10 Help Files Update
18:53 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Update Tags help files for 3.10
18:53 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
18:53 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries - Followup
18:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8826 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
18:53 rangi jcamins: got a sec?
18:54 libsysguy tcohen probably should, when I applied I got an error
18:54 jcamins rangi: sure.
18:54 tcohen error aplying?
18:54 rangi bug 8981
18:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8981 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Remove Nonpublic General Note from OPAC authorities display
18:54 libsysguy yeah it didn't apply due to merge conflicts
18:55 rangi the patch does what it says, just checking its not a bad idea
18:55 tcohen maybe because of recent bug that was pushed that touches is_holiday?
18:55 jcamins Yeah, it makes sense.
18:55 rangi cool
18:56 libsysguy umm the conflict was the number of tests to perform
18:56 tcohen oh my
18:56 libsysguy but it was no big deal
18:56 libsysguy I already resolved it
18:56 tcohen wtf did i attach?
18:56 * libsysguy shrugs
18:56 libsysguy lol
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18:58 rangi yay bug 9001
18:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9001 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , zebraqueue_daemon is deprecated and must go
19:00 * rangi tries an install
19:05 rangi that worked
19:12 rangi But in addition, the government's approach should terrify any user of cloud computer services—not to mention the providers.  The government maintains that Mr. Goodwin lost his property rights in his data by storing it on a cloud computing service.
19:12 rangi[…]k-cloud-computing
19:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #222: SUCCESS in 1 hr 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/222/
19:14 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8804 [Revised] Quiet errors in the log from
19:14 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
19:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8804 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Quiet errors in the log from
19:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8826 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
19:15 oleonard Have a good weekend #koha
19:15 jcamins Heh. I hadn't noticed that there was no mention of postgres and solr.
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19:18 rangi !jenkins status
19:18 jenkins_koha status of all projects:
19:18 jenkins_koha 3_6_Packages: last build: 21 (1 mo 19 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/3_6_Packages/21/
19:18 jenkins_koha 3_8_packages(BUILDING: 3 min 35 sec and counting): last build: 151 (1 day 8 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]3_8_packages/151/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_3.10.x: last build: 6 (2 hr 21 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.10.x/6/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_3.2.x(disabled) : last build: 36 (11 mo ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/36/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_3.4.x(disabled) : last build: 80 (8 mo 15 days ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.4.x/80/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_3.6.x: last build: 63 (10 days ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/63/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_3.8.x: last build: 222 (1 hr 51 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/222/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs: last build: 223 (1 hr 6 min ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/223/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_master(BUILDING: 1 hr 18 min and counting): last build: 927 (3 hr 5 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/927/
19:18 jenkins_koha Master_Packages: last build: 115 (1 hr 18 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ter_Packages/115/
19:18 rangi we really should fix the xml in the french manual so that stops failing
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19:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #928: SUCCESS in 1 hr 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/928/
19:57 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
19:57 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries - Followup
19:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8826 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
19:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #929 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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20:27 Brooke o/
20:28 JesseM \o
20:29 jcamins o/
20:29 Brooke :)
20:36 rangi Dang broke my own rule
20:36 Brooke which one?
20:36 wahanui which one is 3.6.x?
20:36 * Brooke gives waha a smeck
20:37 rangi Answered the archives paul
20:37 Brooke tsc, that's a good thing :)
20:38 Brooke I'm just happy to see Turkish folks taking an interest :)
20:39 rangi Well they won't if trolly troll trolls keep hassling them
20:39 rangi If that was my first reply and I was them I'd go look at evergreen instead
20:40 Brooke we shall use the awesome power of manaakitanga to out signal their noise, sir.
20:41 rangi Yep only reason I broke my rule
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20:42 Brooke @later tell nengard good I'm glad. I was worried.
20:42 huginn Brooke: The operation succeeded.
20:42 rangi Brooke++
20:43 rangi And now I'm off with the kids
20:44 Brooke cheers mate. Have a good saturday
21:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #929: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/929/
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