IRC log for #koha, 2012-11-01

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00:16 jcamins_away eythian: how do you deal with libanyevent-http-perl?
00:16 eythian jcamins_away: I think I made a package for it
00:17 * cait waves
00:17 eythian hi cait
00:18 jcamins_away eythian: it's not on
00:19 cait hi eythian
00:20 eythian squeeze-dev|main|i386: libanyevent-http-perl 2.14-1kohadev1
00:20 eythian squeeze-dev|main|i386: libanyevent-processor-perl 0.003-1
00:20 eythian cait: how's holiday?
00:20 jcamins_away Hm.
00:20 jcamins_away Why don't I see it?
00:20 eythian jcamins_away: is too!
00:20 cait good
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00:20 rangi sup wizzyrea
00:20 eythian cait: just can't keep off IRC, huh? :)
00:20 eythian wizzyrea: howday
00:20 eythian -a
00:21 wizzyrea not much, achievements unlocked: grocery shopping ;)
00:21 wizzyrea the market really *isn't* far.
00:21 jcamins_away eythian: figured it out. squeeze-dev vs. squeeze.
00:21 eythian ah yes
00:22 wizzyrea oh jcamins - I"m glad to see you
00:22 wizzyrea how is life in nyc?
00:22 eythian wizzyrea: no, it's handily close. Also the mediterranian one is even closer.
00:22 wizzyrea *nod* found that one the first day I think :)
00:23 wizzyrea plus I made them deliver the stuffs
00:23 wizzyrea :P
00:23 wizzyrea i had a boatload of stuff.
00:23 eythian heh
00:23 cait eythian: oh, iin reutlingen now, they will keep me away :)
00:23 jcamins_away Not bad. Very quiet, since subways are out.
00:24 cait we spent the evening with spaghetti, lemon cake and boardgames
00:24 eythian cait: sounds acceptable :)
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00:29 jcamins_away libchi-driver-memcached-perl refuses to install.
00:30 eythian on what grounds?
00:34 jcamins_away eythian:
00:35 eythian jcamins_away: squeeze-dev|main|amd64: libchi-perl 0.55-1
00:35 eythian oh, right
00:35 jcamins_away Oh, it's definitely there.
00:35 eythian there are more missing things
00:36 jcamins_away libdigest-jhash-perl
00:36 eythian Package: libdigest-jhash-perl
00:36 eythian Status: install ok installed
00:36 eythian oh
00:36 eythian I apparently built it locally but didn't put it in the repo
00:36 eythian I wonder why pdebuild didn't spot that.
00:36 eythian it's probably also in debian testing
00:37 jcamins_away Yeah, it's in wheezy.
00:37 jcamins_away Also libhash-moreutils-perl.
00:37 eythian yeah
00:37 eythian and try-tiny is an old version
00:40 jcamins_away This is going to make testing the release process problematic.
00:40 eythian I'm building them now
00:41 eythian Some time soon I need to revamp this process some, including putting all the packages in git.
00:41 eythian s/packages/modules/
00:48 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
00:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #924: FIXED in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/924/
00:48 jenkins_koha koha: Bug 8978: Patron's dateexpiry erroneously updated when in UnwantedField
00:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8978 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Patron's dateexpiry is erroneously updated if dateexpiry in UnWantedField syspref
00:49 rangi yippie !
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00:57 eythian jcamins_away: uploaded those three packages
00:57 jcamins_away Thanks!
01:00 jcamins_away libdigest-jhash-perl doesn't seem to be there yet?
01:02 eythian pool/main/libd/libdigest-jhash-perl/​libdigest-jhash-perl_0.07-1_i386.deb
01:02 eythian 12652 100%   47.89kB/s    0:00:00 (xfer#23, to-check=59/345)
01:03 eythian it definitely uploaded
01:03 jcamins_away It's not in the Packages file.
01:03 eythian squeeze-dev|main|i386: libdigest-jhash-perl 0.07-1
01:03 jcamins_away http://debian.koha-community.o[…]ry-amd64/Packages
01:03 eythian ah, I bet it has C in it
01:03 jcamins_away Oh, I have to use i386?
01:03 eythian so it compiled for i386
01:04 eythian that probably wouldn't work
01:04 jcamins_away That's inconvenient.
01:04 eythian I think it's the first I've encountered with native code
01:06 eythian hmm, I don't know how to cross-compile it
01:07 jcamins_away I'll find a way to make it ignore the dependency.
01:07 eythian People have been cramming in the dependencies lately
01:08 jcamins_away The new dependencies are optional.
01:08 rangi what's that one even for?
01:08 jcamins_away rangi: it's an unneeded package for an unnecessary dependency of CHI, which is optional.
01:09 rangi YAY
01:09 jcamins_away Unfortunately, pbuilder translates this to ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED.
01:09 eythian It's not pbuilder's fault
01:10 eythian update-control doesn't split things into recommended/suggested/build depends
01:10 jcamins_away Ah.
01:10 eythian partially because Koha has no concept of build-depends just yet, but mostly because I haven't done it.
01:10 jcamins_away So it's that the packages aren't marking things as optional.
01:10 eythian yeah
01:10 jcamins_away Okay.
01:11 jcamins_away Backup plan: I will mark CHI recommended manually.
01:11 eythian that'll probably do it.
01:11 jcamins_away Actually, plan C: let's just remove CHI. That's not what I want to test.
01:12 eythian hopefully CHI isn't required for any tests to pass...
01:12 jcamins_away Nope.
01:12 jcamins_away Entirely optional.
01:13 eythian There are some other "optional" dependencies that will cause test failures if they're not there.
01:14 jcamins_away Yeah, that's not one of them. I implemented the CHI so it would degrade gracefully on Squeeze.
01:14 eythian cool
01:15 jcamins_away Of course, it's a moot point for those of us who use Plack.
01:19 cait bye :)
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01:31 jcamins_away eythian: could you tar up the debian/ directory for libdigest-jhash-perl?
01:31 eythian jcamins_away: OK
01:31 jcamins_away I'll build the amd64 packages.
01:33 eythian <-- jcamins_away
01:36 jcamins_away eythian: what command do you use for building it?
01:36 eythian debuild -uc -us
01:37 jcamins_away Well, I now have the amd64 packages.
01:38 eythian cool
01:38 eythian if you could sent me all the _amd64 files, I could put them in the repo
01:39 jcamins_away Will do.
01:41 jcamins_away eythian: http://kohadev.cpbibliography.[…]gest_amd64.tar.gz
01:47 eythian arg, I can't put that in the repo, as the .dsc files have different checksums in them
01:47 jcamins_away Hm.
01:48 eythian I assume they have to be built in one pass, or something like that.
01:50 jcamins_away Yeah, that makes sense.
01:51 eythian I was dreading the time we'd hit an XS module...
01:52 * jcamins_away could cross-compile for ARM...
01:53 eythian heh
02:00 jcamins_away eythian: can you add just the .build?
02:00 jcamins_away Or .changes, or .dsc, or something?
02:00 eythian the changes requires the .dsc
02:02 jcamins_away Oh.
02:02 jcamins_away Okay, figured it out.
02:04 jcamins_away Try again?
02:04 eythian OK
02:05 eythian same URL?
02:05 jcamins_away Yup.
02:05 eythian what did you change?
02:06 jcamins_away Removed the source from the build.
02:06 eythian Uploading to koha (via local to localhost):
02:06 eythian Successfully uploaded packages.
02:06 eythian Exporting indices...
02:06 eythian that looks better
02:07 eythian uploaded to the repo now
02:07 jcamins_away Yay!
02:07 jcamins_away Thanks.
02:07 eythian no problem
02:35 rangi @quote random
02:35 huginn rangi: Quote #136: "<sekjal> MARC. Must. Die!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:18 PM, May 26, 2011)
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03:02 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
03:06 eythian wahanui: island time is
03:07 eythian wahanui: are you there?
03:07 wahanui eythian: no idea
03:07 eythian wahanui: island time is at
03:07 eythian wahanui: island time
03:07 wahanui i guess island time is
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03:53 * Oak waves
04:36 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
06:30 * magnuse waves
06:41 magnuse @later tell jcamins: you might want to have a look in your gmail :-)
06:41 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
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07:32 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_master/badge/?
07:32 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.8.x/badge/?
07:33 rangi you can get a little badge for any job
07:42 mtj awww, very cool
07:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #1 for job Koha_3.10.x
07:51 magnuse build #1!
07:52 rangi yep just set it up
07:52 magnuse very cool!
07:53 magnuse and of course that means jcamins_away will start pushing new features to master?
07:53 cjh awesome!
07:53 rangi well, not yet
07:53 rangi bug fixes still
07:53 rangi (see his email)
07:54 magnuse ah, ok
07:54 rangi but he pushed some of those to master already today
07:55 magnuse jcamins++
07:55 * magnuse is reminded to get on with the translations for 3.10
07:59 rangi yep :)
07:59 rangi not long now
08:01 magnuse too bad fredericd is having some kind og trouble with the prefs .po file for nb-NO
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08:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #1: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.10.x/1/
08:28 magnuse w00t - getting off to a good start :-)
08:28 rangi bugzilla will be down for a bit, security upgrades
08:54 mtj rangi, thanx - wanna ping  #koha when bugz is back up…
08:55 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7339] Help System in IE7-8 Does Not Load With 500 Error <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7339> / [Bug 6875] de-nesting C4 packages <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6875> / [Bug 6536] Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6536> / [Bug 7127] Templates must be valid XHTML
08:55 rangi its back
09:01 magnuse rangi++
09:01 mtj ta chris
09:01 magnuse https://catalyst.library.jhu.e[…]atalog/bib_408387 - click on "librarian view" for a bit of lol :-)
09:02 rangi heh
09:02 magnuse see, you gotta be clever to be a librarian :-)
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10:06 mib_zf15r8 can anyone help a beginner koha and linux user solve the following error when trying to catalog books? Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2438.
10:08 mtj mib_zf15r8, what version of koha ?
10:09 mib_zf15r8 3.8
10:09 mtj and… are you cut/pasting text into the editor, or not?
10:09 mib_zf15r8 not
10:10 mib_zf15r8 I did however remove a lot of the fields we don't use
10:10 mtj does your problem exist using a fresh/clean database?
10:10 mtj ok, so thats probably cauased your problem
10:11 mtj if you load your database backup, from before that - does it fix your problem?
10:11 mib_zf15r8 no
10:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #221 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:13 mtj well, my best advice is to setup a test koha with a fresh database, and test your problem with that
10:13 mib_zf15r8 ok, I will try that
10:14 mtj my hunch is you've done some mods to the bib frameworks, thats made koha unhappy
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10:15 mtj meh, too slow :/
10:16 mtj heya cait  :)
10:16 cait hi mtj :)
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10:27 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
10:28 mtompset davidnind++
10:29 mtompset Sorry, that karma update was seriously delayed, davidnind. :)
10:29 davidnind ?
10:29 mtompset I saw some of your replies to various problems in the list, and thought you did a good job pointing people to useful resources which may contain their answer.
10:30 mtompset @karma davidnind
10:30 huginn mtompset: Karma for "davidnind" has been increased 9 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 9.
10:32 davidnind thanks  - haven't been too active lately as work has been busy; only try to answer some of the questions where I can help a little - still lots to learn!
10:33 mtompset You and me both. :)
10:34 mtompset Learning is a life long process and it never stops. I just wish it slowed down sometimes. :)
10:35 davidnind so true - especially in the free software world
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10:49 new hello
10:50 new Can you tell the steps of update koha from 3.4.1 to 3.4.8?
10:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #221: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/221/
10:52 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 8987 : JS error
10:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8987 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, "New report button" broken
10:53 new Are these the same just like when you install koha (perl -> make -> test make -> sudo make install)?
10:53 mtompset new: The current version is 3.8.6
10:53 mtompset What operating system are you using?
10:53 new I know that
10:53 new debian
10:54 mtompset I would suggest you do a packages install, and transplant your data.
10:54 mtompset Let me see if I can find that URL to help you.
10:54 new because I am newbie, I don't know exactly the way
10:56 mtompset[…]e_Debian_packages
10:57 mtompset yes, but if you succeeded at a tarball install (which is what the steps you gave are), then you should be able to follow these instructions.
10:58 mtompset imagine a future where you only have to type two, maybe three, commands to upgrade.
10:58 mtompset Right now, you are in upgrade purgatory.
10:59 mtompset (sorry if the religious metaphor is offensive)
11:00 mtompset That is, you have to do "a lot" to upgrade.
11:00 new the problem is not the number of commands but a guide for it. If it was somewhere writen, I think it will be good even though for someone who does not know what to do
11:00 new for any eidtion
11:00 mtompset And that is why I gave you the link.
11:00 mtompset[…]e_Debian_packages
11:00 mtompset This should work well for your case.
11:01 mtompset Or any case of 3.4.x and higher.
11:01 new what is the different of koha - common and koha - 3.* versions?
11:02 mtompset Ignore koha, use koha-common.
11:02 mtompset Prior to 3.4.x, packages were experimental.
11:03 mtompset however, as of 3.4.x, packages became mainstream.
11:04 mtompset the beauty of packages is all you have to type is: "sudo apt-get install koha-common" and your install is 90% done without the make, make test, make install type steps.
11:04 mtompset (well 90% is not a precise number, but it is meant to show how much easier it is)
11:05 mtompset upgrading once you have package installations is very easy.
11:05 mtompset sudo apt-get update
11:05 mtompset sudo apt-get upgrade koha-common
11:05 mtompset And sometimes, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade koha-common
11:05 mtompset because the dependencies of Koha has increased.
11:06 mtompset as you can see... typing those three commands is very simple.
11:06 mtompset no answering questions, which you hope you answered correctly.
11:06 mtompset no long builds, test, and installs.
11:06 new the above link will work and for koha 3.8?
11:06 mtompset Yes!
11:07 new ok.
11:07 new One last question,  I think
11:08 new doing make, make test, make install will work also doing some of the guide you provided to me?
11:10 mtj new: the short answer is 'no'
11:12 mtompset Sorry, got distracted. No. that is the old way of installing. We are recommending you do the new way which is far easier on a forward basis.
11:13 mtj anyone have any ideas on this problem ? -> http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/038362.html
11:13 new <mtj>: new: the short answer is 'no' : if you advance the answer, will it be like you install from the beginning koha and then start configuring the rest as is written in manual and then restore database?
11:14 mtompset basically, yes.
11:14 mtompset If I understood what you said correctly.
11:15 mtompset Basically, you back up your DB, install the packages, and then once you have created the instance, you put your data into the blank instance you created.
11:15 mtompset You then use the staff client to upgrade your database.
11:16 mtompset I may have glossed over some steps, but that is the general gist of it.
11:17 new ok. I will try it both ways
11:23 mtompset only do that in a test environment and make sure you have a backup!
11:23 mtompset It is not recommended to do it both ways in general on the same machine.
11:25 mtompset mtj, I had noticed that the redefined messages had gotten noisier lately.
11:26 mtompset But that's a bizarre thing... I can't seem to figure out how CanBookBeReserved is redefined. I'm still looking though.
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11:29 mtompset Hmmm... a circular use?
11:30 mtj yeah , that was my hunch
11:30 mtompset C4::Members uses C4::Reserves.
11:30 mtompset C4::Reserves uses C4::Members.
11:31 mtompset I think C4::Biblio probably had that problem, but someone fixed it with a require not a use, and only in a limited section. That's my guess.
11:31 mtj i must add a warnings.t test to my TODO list - it would be good to be able to track that stat
11:32 mtompset Yes, because if we have our libraries right, we should not have that scenario, in my opinion.
11:33 mtj i dunno whats causing it, but its probably a good thing to fix
11:34 mtj … it looks like something thats a little problem now, that could become a big problem with plack
11:36 mtj mtompset, thanx for taking a looky too :)
11:36 mtompset Not a problem. Need to feel mildly useful in the midst of this transitioning back to Canada.
11:37 mtj how many sleepzzZ till ?
11:38 mtompset My sleeps are variable now. I'm trying to shift my sleeping pattern.
11:41 mtompset I leave on the 7th... it's the 1st now...
11:41 mtompset mtj, have you ever been involved in data migration projects?
11:41 mtompset (for koha)
11:43 mtj yeah, more than i can remember
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12:19 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:22 mtompset Greetings, oleonard.
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12:24 mtompset Greetings, cait.
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12:34 jcamins_away magnuse++
12:36 magnuse huh?
12:36 cait magnuse++
12:36 magnuse huh??
12:36 cait don't know why, but i am sure there is a good reason
12:36 cait jcamins_away: have a minute?
12:37 jcamins Sure.
12:37 jcamins magnuse: NORMARC records
12:37 magnuse ah, hope they are usable
12:38 magnuse most of them probably come from BIBSYS
12:40 * jcamins is sure they will be.
12:40 jcamins They're just for testing the NORMARC DOM configuration.
12:40 magnuse yay!
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13:28 jcamins nengard: I'm looking at bug 8931.
13:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8931 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , submit buttons have blue background
13:29 nengard k
13:29 jcamins And I can't figure out what it's supposed to do.
13:29 nengard wasn't that pushed already
13:29 jcamins Nope.
13:29 jcamins At least, I don't think so.
13:29 nengard hang on
13:29 jcamins If it was, someone forgot to update the bug.
13:30 nengard k it wasn't
13:30 nengard if you look at my screenshot the background on submit buttons is blue - it should be transparent
13:30 nengard it's a very tiny style thing
13:30 nengard but it bugs me
13:30 oleonard And it's pretty subtle, depending on your display and angle of view
13:30 nengard yup
13:30 jcamins I'm looking at the screenshot, and I don't see any blue.
13:31 oleonard it's even harder to see in the screenshot because there's not a lot of white background for contrast
13:32 jcamins Oh, I see.
13:32 * oleonard assures jcamins we're not messing with him
13:32 jcamins It's not the *button* that has a blue background.
13:32 jcamins It's the space *around* the button.
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13:38 drojf hi #koha
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13:40 marcelr hi koha
13:40 marcelr mtj around>
13:40 marcelr ?
13:41 jcamins cait: drojf: anyone who does translation: a string changing lines will not effect the translation process, right?
13:42 marcelr hi jcamins
13:42 jcamins So if we have the string "The catalog" on line 1 of a template, and it moves to line 2 of that template, it will still get translated to "Das Katalog" or whatever that would be in German?
13:42 jcamins Good morning, marcelr.
13:43 cait jcamins: I have wondered about that in the past, I am not usre
13:43 cait I think a test run of the translation update script is the best way to tell
13:43 marcelr hi; i think it is not a problem
13:43 cait german is completed if you wanted to test
13:43 marcelr it translates all occurrences
13:43 jcamins It's going to be hard to tell...
13:43 cait jcamins: why?
13:43 marcelr wherever they are in the template file
13:43 cait marcelr: but the po files also list where something was found
13:43 marcelr mtj are you still here?
13:44 cait I am not sure when the script marks something fuzzy
13:44 cait but you are probably right, if moving would break it, there would be lots more to retranslate
13:44 jcamins cait: because in order to change the lines in the template, I'm going to have to change the template, meaning that the diff will list those lines anyway.
13:45 jcamins Oh, there we go.
13:46 jcamins It does not seem to impact the translation.
13:46 cait jcamins: ?
13:46 jcamins Oh, except that these might already *be* fuzzy. I'll check.
13:49 jcamins They are not, and do not become fuzzy.
13:49 jcamins Bug 7455 is suitable for 3.10.
13:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7455 normal, P4, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field
13:50 cait :)
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13:50 druthb hi. :)
13:51 druthb wahanui: druthb?
13:51 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
13:51 druthb lulz
13:51 jcamins Route restart.
13:51 jcamins Back in a few.
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14:00 jcamins_ Hm.
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14:09 gmcharlt good morning
14:11 * druthb waves to gmcharlt.
14:14 * gmcharlt waves back
14:14 * cait waves to gmcharlt and druthb :)
14:22 mtompset Greetings, everyone. I should probably go, early meeting tomorrow. Sorry I didn't greet everyone earlier... Looking at a data import issue. :)
14:22 mtompset It's amazing the various formats people use.
14:22 mtompset I just got sent a file with mixed DOS/Unix end of lines, in a text file that is basically standard format markers (SFM) if anyone is familiar with that.
14:23 mtompset At least it should be easy enough to convert.
14:24 * mtompset waves goodbye to druthb, drojf, gmcharlt, cait, cait-m, jcamins, oleonard, nengard, etc.
14:24 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period).
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14:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_7455' into 3.12-master <[…]f705a02310c93e500> / Bug 7455: Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field (follow-up 3) <[…]0b1aa5ba2de4b94c3> / Bug 7455: Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field (follow-up 2) <http://git.koha-com
14:53 * oleonard is glad to see jcamins flexing those RM muscles
14:53 * jcamins was very excited to see the messages on koha-commits for a moment, before he realized that he was the one who was pushing code.
14:55 cait lol
14:55 cait jcamins++
14:55 cait :)
14:55 cait I will try out my qam muscles when back from the family vacation
14:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #925 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
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15:28 jcamins Sourdough griddle cakes. What will he think of next?
15:33 jcamins Mmm. Sourdough.
15:34 cait heh
15:50 chris_n did someone mention cake?
15:57 oleonard Sorry chris_n, the cake was a lie.
15:57 chris_n :'(
15:58 jcamins chris_n: sourdough griddle cakes.
15:58 jcamins Seems to me you should have really good sourdough.
15:58 chris_n mmmm
15:58 oleonard What's the difference between a griddle cake and a pancake?
15:59 druthb ...and a flapjack?
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16:00 jcamins oleonard: I use griddle cake to refer to a pancake made using dough instead of batter.
16:00 oleonard What is this wizardry?
16:00 druthb ah-hah!
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16:02 jcamins When I hear "pancake," I think of wimpy little things made with lots of milk and eggs, and leavened using baking powder, or possibly baking soda.
16:02 jcamins Like a leavened crepe, almost.
16:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #925: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/925/
16:07 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8846: Exploded Terms test sneakily uses database
16:07 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8846 conflict resolution: correct path
16:07 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 8636 - add Moose dependency to the dependencies
16:07 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8931 - submit buttons have blue background
16:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8846 blocker, P1 - high, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , t/SuggestionEngine_ExplodedTerms.t sneakily uses database
16:07 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 7455: Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field
16:07 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 7455: Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field (follow-up)
16:07 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 7455: Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field (follow-up 2)
16:07 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 7455: Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field (follow-up 3)
16:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8636 critical, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Some dependencies are not listed by the installer
16:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8931 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , submit buttons have blue background
16:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7455 normal, P4, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field
16:19 oleonard Now Bug 7932 is in a race with Bug 8952 to see who gets to conflict with whom
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16:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7932 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , twitter share doesn't work with socialnetworks
16:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8952 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Add http:// to url in social media links on opac-detail
16:20 oleonard For Bug 8952 to get tested properly requires Syndetics and LibraryThing :|
16:22 oleonard Or, we could say "look good to me" and hope it doesn't break Syndetics and LibraryThing
16:22 * druthb gives oleonard the ebil eye.
16:23 * oleonard invites druthb to snag some of her customers' credentials and test :P
16:23 druthb I think our new QAM would give you the stink-eye over that "let it ride" idea, too.
16:23 jcamins Actually, I think I may have a syndetics account to test with. Lemme check.
16:26 jcamins Hmmm...
16:26 jcamins doesn't look like it.
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18:05 jcamins Okay, this is confusing.
18:05 jcamins Why isn't the syspref cache getting updated?
18:05 jcamins Oh.
18:05 jcamins I see.
18:06 jcamins Because I use a worker-style handler.
18:19 tcohen good evening #koha
18:24 rangi Morning
18:24 wahanui i guess Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:25 oleonard Hi rangi
18:29 rangi @later tell wizzyrea don't forget beer o'clock today at 4
18:29 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
18:31 bag heya rangi and oleonard
18:32 rangi Does nate have power now?
18:33 tcohen i want beer at 4 o'clock too!
18:35 rangi Hehe
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18:47 * oleonard has parent-teacher conferences at 4, would be better with beer
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18:56 chris_n interesting discussion on how to register cows with tin cans at the ends of a string with one's asterisk server over on #asterisk
18:58 jcamins chris_n: Cows as in... four-legged bovines that go "moo"?
18:59 chris_n jcamins: exactly the same; it seems ipv6 was the solution
19:00 chris_n now the cows can call home rather than coming home
19:00 jcamins chris_n: lol
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19:05 oleonard Geez, Firefox has crashed on me 3 times today. What gives?
19:06 jcamins oleonard: it's insulted that you used IE to test something.
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19:07 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
19:07 rangi mtj: can you send me you ssh pub key please
19:08 wizzyrea hey oleonard
19:08 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
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19:10 jcamins Who was arensb?
19:10 rangi andrew arensberger
19:10 oleonard Is he in trouble?
19:11 jcamins oleonard: no, I was wondering who wrote the comment about autoload in C4::Context.
19:12 jcamins Fun fact: You can do "C4::Context->whateveryoupleasean​ddamnthetorpedosfullspeedahead()" and Perl won't complain.
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19:16 rangi morning trea
19:16 rangi jcamins: cos we told it not to
19:17 jcamins rangi: yeah. I reported a bug.
19:17 rangi class::accessor would fix it :) or moo :)
19:18 * jcamins just looked to see if we were using AUTOLOAD anywhere else.
19:18 jcamins You may not be surprised to know that we are.
19:18 jcamins Especially after my screech of horrified disbelief.
19:19 jcamins ... are you kidding me? We used AUTOLOAD as an exact alternative to Class::Accessor?
19:19 rangi to be fair
19:20 rangi it predates class::accesor
19:20 jcamins The code doesn't.
19:20 rangi but yeah, pretty much
19:20 rangi no, but AUTOLOAD does
19:20 jcamins Yes.
19:20 jcamins And perhaps with C4::Context that was a reasonable excuse.
19:20 jcamins C4::Context does date back a decade.
19:20 jcamins C4::Category dates back 3 years.
19:21 rangi yep, context is valid .. anything newish yeah, not so much
19:21 rangi however ppl may not have known about it
19:21 rangi fix them in the move to Koha
19:21 jcamins Yup.
19:22 rangi actually moo would be a great one to use for context
19:23 rangi would simplify the whole thing
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19:25 rangi heya khall and NateC
19:25 khall yo
19:26 rangi yay[…]ols.git;a=summary
19:26 khall sweet!
19:26 * khall is a 90's kid
19:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #2 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:27 jcamins Ooh, exciting!
19:27 jcamins Jenkins is now watching 3.10.x.
19:28 rangi yep did that last night
19:28 rangi also check this out
19:28 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.10.x/badge/?
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19:28 rangi you can get a little badge, for any branch
19:29 jcamins Ooh, we should put that on the dashboard.
19:29 rangi yep
19:30 rangi and on itself
19:30 rangi and the wiki
19:30 wahanui the wiki is kind of an expert[…]L_Reports_Library
19:30 rangi :)
19:31 rangi ill now set up stats for 3.10.x too
19:31 cait oh no
19:31 cait what am I missing now?
19:31 rangi hmm?
19:32 cait you waited until I was away and then started a new branch and some badge things!
19:32 cait :)
19:32 rangi heh
19:35 jcamins Oh. I already hit enhancements.
19:38 paul_p hello #koha
19:38 tcohen hi paul_p
19:38 rangi hi paul_p
19:39 rangi[…]0.x/activity.html
19:39 paul_p closed day today. /me feel like if it was saturday...
19:40 jcamins paul_p: none of the patches I pushed had string changes.
19:40 cait paul_p: I agree :)
19:41 paul_p jcamins yep, I started checking, testing & merging. Feel free to push anything that can, i'll take care of avoiding the string-change ones
19:41 rangi the way i do rmaint paul_p (which you are doing for the next few weeks :)) i tag master locally with where i got up to
19:41 rangi then i look at the new commits on it
19:42 rangi and look at the bugs, and then cherry-pick if needed
19:42 jcamins I'm focusing on the 3.10 commits to start with, while I get into the swing of things.
19:42 rangi then push, and tag locally again
19:42 rangi that way i know where i got up to
19:43 paul_p rangi = git tag "i-am-here", sounds a good plan. why do you "move" the tag ? drop / recreate ?
19:43 rangi now i just do a new one
19:43 rangi with the date
19:43 rangi eg i have a tag of 2012-10-31
19:44 rangi which was the last time i checked master
19:44 rangi i could delete and retag
19:44 rangi but im lazy and just tag with the date
19:45 paul_p rangi = it mean you create the tag BEFORE you fetch and check/merge ?
19:45 rangi i create it after ive pushed
19:45 jcamins I could've sworn I signed off on bug 8804.
19:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8804 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Quiet errors in the log from
19:45 rangi i do a pull of master
19:46 rangi then i look for everything added since my last tag
19:46 oleonard jcamins: A revision was requested
19:46 rangi work my way through them, then push, and tag the commit i got up to
19:46 jcamins oleonard: right, I signed off on the revised patch.
19:46 jcamins I thought.
19:46 * jcamins checks.
19:46 jcamins Yup.
19:47 jcamins Never attached.
19:47 libsysguy @seen oleonard
19:47 huginn libsysguy: oleonard was last seen in #koha 58 seconds ago: <oleonard> jcamins: A revision was requested
19:47 libsysguy oh doh
19:47 paul_p rangi = OK, got it
19:47 libsysguy I guess I should have read back
19:47 * oleonard waves his arms and jumps up and down
19:47 rangi paul_p: it works for me, you might have a better way of doing it
19:47 jcamins libsysguy: that was pretty awesome, I have to tell you.
19:47 cait hi oleonard?
19:47 rangi but i like being able to look between tags, i can then see ohh on the 31st i pushed 7 things
19:47 cait ah, only half-here
19:48 rangi ok, meeting time
19:48 wahanui meeting time is probably always going to favour one section of the globe
19:48 rangi bbl
19:49 oleonard paul_p: Is it likely that Biblibre will ever re-work the jEditable version of for master?
19:50 paul_p oleonard = I don't think so (have you seen the announcement that hdl is leaving ? he was the author)
19:51 oleonard Okay thanks. And yes, I did see the announcement
19:51 * oleonard is trying to imagine template-based ways to make that interface more manageable.
19:51 paul_p oleonard = does your question imply that you'll work on this ?
19:53 oleonard If there is a way to improve the interface without digging into the code I would choose it :)
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19:54 wizzyrea ohh hdl is leaving? I will miss him
19:54 xmacex Hola
19:54 wizzyrea oh hey!
19:54 xmacex hi everyone
19:55 paul_p time for dinner ;-)
19:55 paul_p wizzyrea =[…]another-next-step
19:55 libsysguy oleonard were you recently talking about messing with
19:55 jcamins libsysguy: bug 7455
19:55 wahanui it has been said that bug 7455 is suitable for 3.10.
19:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7455 normal, P4, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field
19:56 oleonard libsysguy: I was not
19:56 jcamins libsysguy: that's probably the patch you were thinking of.
19:56 libsysguy ahh
19:56 xmacex i came to maybe have a little chat about Koha and SRU
19:56 oleonard libsysguy: I may have been talking about NOT messing with ;)
19:56 libsysguy jcamins how do you always come up with the longest patches
19:57 libsysguy heh I don't blame you
19:57 jcamins libsysguy: _you_ are the one who wanted to look at addbiblio.
19:57 libsysguy I am working on implementing jquery sortable
19:57 jcamins xmacex: are you having issues with it?
19:57 jcamins libsysguy: not with the existing javascript, please, not the existing javascript.
19:57 libsysguy oh yes I killed the arrow javascript
19:57 jcamins Yes!!!
19:57 xmacex i'm working on a little project/contract, and i believe i would like to have an SRU server, serving MarcXML for a while
19:57 jcamins libsysguy++
19:58 xmacex i looked at some options, and i reckoned maybe i'll just install Koha and have it serve the records in SRU
19:58 jcamins xmacex: that makes sense to me. :)
19:58 libsysguy it was easy, C-space *hightlight all the old code* C-w
19:58 libsysguy i just need to make it look purty now
19:58 jcamins libsysguy: you switched windows? :P
19:59 xmacex what we are doing is extracting our records from our Real System (Axiell Aurora), doing little management operations (normalizing values, deduplication, analysis etc.), and then try to sneak them back into our Real System
19:59 libsysguy emacs dude, get with a real text editor
19:59 libsysguy :p
20:00 xmacex when i say Real System, yes that's with some sarcasm indeed
20:00 jcamins xmacex: yes, I gathered. ;)
20:00 xmacex jcamins: cool, just wanted to make that clear ;)
20:00 jcamins You were looking at switching to Koha then got saddled by the government with something proprietary, weren't you?
20:00 xmacex jcamins: well...
20:01 oleonard Bye #koha
20:01 xmacex jcamins: if i'd be running the show here in Finland, everyone would be running Koha, that's for sure
20:01 jcamins xmacex: of course! :)
20:02 xmacex jcamins: but now i'm just helping this one consortia with their data quality, and i want to be agnostic to the system they are using (thus: SRU because i believe we can do it without contacting the vendor at all)
20:03 xmacex so, everyone running their Koha's with beautiful SRU endpoints, right?
20:03 jcamins You could certainly use Koha for that, but... wouldn't Z39.50 make a little more sense?
20:03 xmacex doesn't look too bad at all
20:03 * jcamins is very much pro-SRU, but if you're doing MARC-intensive manipulation for data pulled out of a MARC-based ILS, Z39.50 is likely to be more compatible, I would think.
20:04 xmacex jcamins: yeah bringing all of Koha in will bring some overhead to it. If you have a favourite SRU server that does only that, i'd love the hear what's your favourite
20:04 jcamins Zebra does all the SRU stuff directly, I think.
20:04 xmacex yeah this stuff is all MARC21 all the way
20:05 jcamins What I'd probably do is just use Zebra.
20:05 xmacex i will index all the stuff into Solr (using VuFind's SolrMarc setup for the indexing) to help in analysis work etc., and then i just want the manipulated records back into the Real System somehow
20:06 xmacex hmm Zebra is an option for sure
20:06 rangi if you are using koha you are using zebra anyway
20:06 xmacex i haven't looked at it at this point (i started working today)
20:06 jcamins Ultimately, that's all you're using for SRU.
20:06 * rangi is still waiting for people to arrive for his meeting
20:07 xmacex jcamins: is Zebra a hassle to set up on it's own?
20:07 * xmacex looks up Zebra documentation
20:08 jcamins xmacex: it depends.
20:08 jcamins My recommendation: cheat.
20:08 jcamins Clone Koha.
20:09 jcamins Run `t/db_dependent/ /home/zebra`
20:09 xmacex i'm all for cheating :D
20:09 jcamins Use the now-configured Zebra installation in /home/zebra.
20:09 jcamins It'll be all set up for MARC21.
20:10 jcamins For indexing you will need to run the commands manually, but that's doable.
20:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #2: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.10.x/2/
20:10 jenkins_koha jcamins: Correct a typo in docs/history.txt and add 3.6.x releases
20:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #3 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:10 xmacex i thought about doing about the same with VuFind and piggyback on it's configuration of Solr, ready for MARC21, but SRU on top of Solr needs to be done
20:11 xmacex jcamins: cool
20:11 xmacex that sounds like a good path to take
20:11 jcamins That doesn't install the SRU stuff, but that'd be pretty easy.
20:12 xmacex[…]anual/a10341.html
20:13 jcamins Exactly.
20:13 xmacex for Koha^
20:13 xmacex[…]-yazfrontend.html
20:13 xmacex for naked Zebra^
20:13 jcamins It's just a matter of copy-and-paste, and setting the URLs to match what you want.
20:14 xmacex you know... i wouldn't be even thinking about any of this without all this lovely infrastructure in place. It's like magic
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20:18 xmacex i just need to make sure in can export nice and beautiful MarcXML from that SRU
20:18 jcamins xmacex: "beautiful" is in the eye of the beholder.
20:18 xmacex lol yeah
20:18 jcamins And no one has yet beheld MarcXML and said "Gee, that was gorgeous."
20:18 xmacex 50 years of this beauty now
20:19 jcamins But the MARCXML  you get from the Zebra SRU server looks just the same as the MARCXML from anything else.
20:20 xmacex jcamins: and when importing records into Zebra, they are kept as they are, and not get new ID:s (001) or anything like that
20:20 xmacex i will need to take a look at those import processes to make sure
20:23 xmacex hmm anyone got experience running an SRU interface to Solr (instead of Zebra?)
20:25 jcamins xmacex: oh, good point.
20:25 jcamins You will need to edit the Zebra indexing configuration to use the 001 as the ID.
20:26 xmacex jcamins: i want to help the original database, not introduce a gazillion of duplicates
20:26 xmacex tomorrow i will see how the Real System behaves when one does copy-cataloguing. If it will generate it's own IDs, it means trouble
20:27 jcamins xmacex: yeah. That's why you need to change the configuration to use the same ID that your current system does.
20:27 xmacex and i need to override that behavious
20:27 xmacex jcamins: yeah
20:27 jcamins Zebra will not modify your records in any way.
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20:28 xmacex jcamins: except assign new IDs, right?
20:28 jcamins No.
20:28 jcamins If your records don't have IDs, they will be unfindable.
20:29 jcamins The good point was not that Zebra will change the records, but that the default configuration uses 999 for the unique ID.
20:29 xmacex our data should have 001 as ID (i will have to check each record though)
20:29 xmacex jcamins: aha, ok
20:29 xmacex jcamins: we use 001 here
20:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #3: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.10.x/3/
20:52 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Correct a typo in docs/history.txt and add 3.6.x releases
20:52 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8707 - tags always say approved
20:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8707 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , tags always say approved
21:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #926 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:13 jcamins Hm. Build #927 is going to fail.
21:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8804 [Revised] Quiet errors in the log from <[…]06ee0e768d3c5c12b>
21:20 eythian hi
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21:36 eythian
21:37 jcamins eythian: ummm...
21:38 eythian jcamins: exactly
21:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #4 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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22:41 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "Output from my rather hacked-upon pybugz" (48 lines) at
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23:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #926: SUCCESS in 1 hr 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/926/
23:04 jenkins_koha oleonard: Bug 8804 [Revised] Quiet errors in the log from
23:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8804 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Quiet errors in the log from
23:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #4: SUCCESS in 1 hr 24 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.10.x/4/
23:06 jenkins_koha * mjr: Bug 8982 make koha-create accept --database option
23:06 jenkins_koha * koha: Bug 8978: Patron's dateexpiry erroneously updated when in UnwantedField
23:06 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8846: Exploded Terms test sneakily uses database
23:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8982 minor, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Master , koha-create rejects --database option
23:06 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8846 conflict resolution: correct path
23:06 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 8636 - add Moose dependency to the dependencies
23:06 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8931 - submit buttons have blue background
23:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #5 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8978 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Patron's dateexpiry is erroneously updated if dateexpiry in UnWantedField syspref
23:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8846 blocker, P1 - high, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , t/SuggestionEngine_ExplodedTerms.t sneakily uses database
23:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8636 critical, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Some dependencies are not listed by the installer
23:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8931 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , submit buttons have blue background
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23:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #5: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.10.x/5/
23:48 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 7455: Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field
23:48 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 7455: Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field (follow-up)
23:48 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 7455: Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field (follow-up 2)
23:48 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 7455: Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field (follow-up 3)
23:48 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8804 [Revised] Quiet errors in the log from
23:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7455 normal, P4, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Authority subfields are cloned in the wrong field
23:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8804 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Quiet errors in the log from
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