IRC log for #koha, 2012-10-07

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00:11 mtj hmmm, with the greatest of respect sir, i was merely stating that i thought ….
00:11 mtj ah, he's gone… :/
00:23 rangi Hehe yeah he totally will answer something like that
00:24 rangi 2012 the year of ridiculous demands of free software developers
00:25 rangi I shoulda said patches or cheques accepted
00:26 rangi And now I'm really gone
00:47 drojf oooh i'm missing the troll fun
02:38 rangi back
03:39 jcamins_away chris_n++ # he made that sound so diplomatic
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03:43 Oak mtj++
05:14 rangi Yep that was very well written
05:14 rangi chris_n++
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05:48 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
05:48 mtompset Anyone around?
05:49 mtompset I suppose jcamins_away's message is probably an answer to my question.
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06:00 mtompset chris_n++ # the reply was diplomatic. So much so that dense paul.a will never clue in.
06:02 mtompset I guess I won't email things like, "What knowledge? You ask for help and do the opposite. You aren't open to learning, and continue to ask for more help after doing it the opposite way. That doesn't seem like knowledge. That seems like foolishness."
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06:11 mtompset Even I recanted of my do it from tarball ways, when I discovered the ease of packages.
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06:43 * magnuse waves
06:44 rangi hi magnuse
06:49 magnuse kia ora rangi!
06:50 mtompset Greetings, magnuse and rangi.
06:50 mtompset I'm glad I decided to come to the channel before hitting send.
06:50 magnuse hehe?
06:50 wahanui hmmm... hehe is np
06:51 magnuse wahanui: forget hehe
06:51 wahanui magnuse: I forgot hehe
06:53 magnuse yeah chris_n++
06:58 mtompset Has Paul (a?) ever come to the IRC channel?
07:04 rangi nope, but either way, id appreciate it if we laid off the insults
07:04 mtompset Yes.
07:04 rangi (words like dense etc)
07:05 mtompset I understand your drift.
07:08 rangi cool, enough said then :)
07:12 mtompset How's your weekend going, rangi?
07:12 rangi not too bad, caught up on patches to push
07:13 mtompset for version?
07:16 mtompset Never mind... bug 8175 hasn't passed QA yet.
07:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8175 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , items.materials check logs error or displays incorrectly in
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07:42 sidd hi, i just installed koha on ubuntu but am unable to see the admin page
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07:46 sidd anyone there?
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07:51 mtompset It is Sunday afternoon for me, so you aren't going to find many people here on the weekend.
07:51 mtompset But let's see if I can help.
07:52 mtompset sidd... you did an install on Ubuntu. Which version of ubuntu? How did you install it?
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07:54 mtompset sidd: are you still here?
07:59 sidd hi, was reading the documentation
08:00 sidd i think 12.01 something
08:00 mtompset 12.04
08:00 mtompset And how did you install, what instructions did you fo
08:00 mtompset follow?
08:00 sidd yes 12.04
08:01 sidd i followed[…]ubuntu_-_packages step by step
08:01 mtompset Okay...
08:01 mtompset good start.
08:01 mtompset So, the question is...
08:01 mtompset how are you trying to access your staff client/administrative page?
08:02 sidd just that the admin page doesn't appear. whether i give or or, the same page appears.
08:02 sidd and it is the maintenance page for the opac
08:02 mtompset okay.
08:02 mtompset Let's backtrack a little.
08:02 sidd okay
08:03 mtompset Looking up information here.... so we're on the same page, literally. :)
08:03 sidd :)
08:03 mtompset In the initial configuration step for the pre-web install.
08:04 mtompset You created a /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf file.
08:04 mtompset paste?
08:04 wahanui paste is found at
08:04 sidd i created the file, and did not change anything except the domain name
08:04 mtompset Please paste it at the url that wahanui just gave.
08:04 sidd ok
08:05 mtompset make sure to set the channel to #koha and your nick and a description too. :)
08:06 pastebot "sidd" at pasted "my koha-sites.conf file" (10 lines) at
08:06 sidd done :)
08:06 mtompset okay.
08:06 mtompset next...
08:07 sidd my etc hosts file?
08:07 mtompset -- wait...
08:07 mtompset in the intance creation step
08:07 mtompset (forgive the spelling)
08:07 mtompset you typed a sudo koha-create command
08:07 mtompset what did you type?
08:08 sidd yes, though i skipped sudo as I am root
08:08 mtompset that's fine... what did you type?
08:08 sidd i typed "koha-create --create-db nfal"
08:08 mtompset okay...
08:11 sidd ummm, no :(
08:11 mtompset Oh, so then what are you expecting it to be?
08:13 sidd i tried accessing it using I think that was my mistake
08:13 sidd let me check
08:13 mtompset Yes, because it doesn't know that, it just went to the first definition of port 80 which is the OPAC.
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08:17 mtompset greetings, cait.
08:17 cait hi mtompset
08:18 mtompset cait: Do you know how the issues and old_issues tables are used?
08:19 cait issues has the checked out books
08:19 cait when a book is returned
08:19 cait the information ismoved to old_issues
08:19 cait so both are veryimportant tables
08:25 mtompset sidd: Did I lose you?
08:26 mtompset @get quote 123
08:26 huginn mtompset: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
08:26 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
08:27 mtompset @quote get 123
08:27 huginn mtompset: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
08:27 cait mtompset: ?
08:28 mtompset @quote add "rangi: ... graciousness never ever hurts."
08:28 huginn mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
08:28 mtompset @quote add "rangi: ... graciousness never ever hurts."
08:28 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.  Quote #218 added.
08:29 mtompset sidd was just trying to do an ubuntu 12.04 packages install, and got stuck on the web install step part.
08:30 mtompset turns out he got a couple things messed up in the configuration set up, but it should be easily fixed... once we know what he is expecting as the fully qualified domain name.
08:30 mtompset He said he'd check, but I haven't heard back from sidd yet.
08:31 mtompset As for the quote... I was trying to remember the syntax.
08:31 mtompset So I could add some of rangi's words of wisdom. ;)
08:32 mtompset So, if my issues and old_issues tables are messed up... I've lost checkout and checkin information.
08:32 sidd mtompset: sorry, got a call. yes, nfal-intra works. thanks. somehow i got it in my head i had to use the machine's hostname
08:33 sidd you have mentioned that i have a few things messed up in my config. anything else i need to correct?
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08:36 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
08:36 mtompset Sorry, bad internet.
08:36 sidd hey mtompset.
08:36 wahanui well, mtompset is working on the ultimate koha uninstall script for fun. Bug 459. Old school, baby!
08:37 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , No uninstall script
08:37 mtompset Okay... so did you get the name you were expecting, sidd?
08:37 sidd mtompset: yes, my bad. had the wrong name. changed it in the etc hosts file and it worked like a charm :)
08:38 mtompset Okay... wait a second.
08:38 mtompset Did you fix the apache file too?
08:39 mtompset Oh... you were just using the wrong name.
08:39 mtompset What you typed in was correct.
08:39 sidd mtompset: i don't think i needed that
08:39 sidd yes
08:39 sidd thanks
08:39 mtompset Okay... good...
08:39 mtompset A simple mistake. :)
08:40 mtompset YAY! :)
08:40 sidd :) not expected from myself...overconfidence. else i'd have read the documentation again and realised it :
08:40 sidd infact had a live cd installatoin till yesterday when rangi told me it was too old and not really a good choice :)
08:41 mtompset Oh... 3.0.999 or something?
08:41 sidd 3.01..yes
08:41 mtompset Yes, very old version.
08:41 mtompset Congratulations on your brand new version. :)
08:42 mtompset And because you installed from packages...
08:42 mtompset Scroll down to the bottom....
08:42 mtompset see how easy upgrading will be. :)
08:42 mtompset 2 maybe there commands... (ignore the 3.4.x stuff)
08:42 mtompset maybe three.
08:42 sidd thanks :) will now work on this one and be back as soon as i hit another roadblock ;)
08:43 mtompset hopefully no road blocks.
08:43 mtompset Glad to help. :)
08:44 sidd bye for now!!!
08:45 * mtompset is happy, "2 people followed without too much difficulty. 1 person confused."
08:45 mtompset I think the packages instructions are good. :)
08:48 mtompset YAY! The backup is good...
08:48 mtompset issues1+old_issues1 = issues2+old_issues2
08:50 mtompset (27 check in s)
08:51 mtompset Okay, you still here, cait?
08:51 cait yes
08:51 mtompset nothing bad would happen if zebraqueue records went missing, right?
08:53 cait ?
08:53 cait you trunating zebraqueue is fine, but you might want to do a complete reindex if you are not sure they were all done by the time you did that
08:53 mtompset Okay, that's what I was thinking.
08:56 mtompset Our server almost experienced a magnificent failure due to lack of drive space the other day. I'm just confirming the backups look good.
08:57 mtompset Just wrote a script to do record counts on restored backups instead of doing a file diff on a mysqldump.
08:58 mtompset action_logs, import_biblios, import_records, issues, old_issues, sessions, statistics, and zebraqueue differed.
08:59 mtompset but since action_logs, import_biblios, and import_records are bigger on the current db. I'm going to assume all is well.
08:59 mtompset I confirmed 27 checkins for the issues tables.
08:59 mtompset I'm pretty sure there is a cronjob that cleans up old sessions.
09:00 mtompset I'm confirming everything is indexed right now.
09:01 mtompset statistics is larger, so I'm assuming all is well for that.
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09:01 cait larger now than before?
09:01 mtompset Larger than a previous backup.
09:02 cait ah
09:02 mtompset That would be expected. And all is indexed.
09:02 sidd mtompset: ih, am back :) i just created a library and I see there is concept of group here. Do I need to create it? The newbie guide doesn't talk about it.
09:03 mtompset newbie guide?
09:03 wahanui newbie guide is at
09:03 mtompset Is that what you are reading?
09:03 sidd mtompset: yes
09:03 mtompset manuals?
09:03 mtompset manual?
09:03 wahanui manual is at
09:04 cait sidd: no, you don't have to :)
09:04 mtompset That's more of cait's expertise than mine.
09:04 cait sidd: as far as I know only search groups are functional right now and that is only interesting if you have a lot of branches and want to add some extra search functionality - and it can be always done later
09:04 mtompset I'm just a Ubuntu developer. :)
09:05 sidd cait: thanks
09:05 sidd will go ahead from there.
09:05 mtompset But you might want to save the manual URL. ;)
09:05 sidd brb
09:05 sidd mtompset: oh I already have it :)
09:05 sidd was the first thing i did
09:06 mtompset sidd++ # reading manual and wiki pages! :)
09:06 cait sidd: where are you from? :)
09:06 sidd :) the manual also talks about 3.10
09:06 sidd is that later?
09:06 sidd am from India
09:06 mtompset 3.10 will be released in November.
09:06 cait 3.8 is the current stable version, 3.10 will be the next release
09:06 mtompset sidd: You aren't VKV are you?
09:07 sidd and the manual is already here? that is so non-standard for the s/w world ;)
09:07 sidd mtompset: no, don't think I am
09:07 mtompset Vimal ... Sorry, he has a long name.
09:07 mtompset That's why I used the initials.
09:08 sidd mtompset: I understand. We do have long names when we do have them :0
09:08 mtompset sidd: Where did you get that livecd from?
09:08 mtompset (the seriously out of date one)
09:09 sidd it was there on the web somewhere. and google shows it in the first page :(
09:09 mtompset ah.
09:09 sidd
09:09 sidd mtompset: oh, I just found your VKV :)
09:10 sidd vimal kumar v - he's creatd a live CD on ubuntu
09:10 mtompset Yes.
09:10 mtompset He's been posting on our mailing lists.
09:10 mtompset And he is working on getting a newer live CD created.
09:10 sidd great.
09:11 mtompset hopefully he'll have found a good process before the time 3.10.0 comes out.
09:11 sidd mtompset: live CDs are pretty easy in fedora. or atleast were till fedora core 1
09:12 mtompset given that we have packages, which you have installed for debian-based OSes like Ubuntu and others...
09:12 sidd yes, rpms make it easier i guess
09:12 mtompset We're hoping to have the LiveCD in a debian-based OS, so that it installs to the hard drive as if you did the packages installation.
09:13 sidd but good to know help is close :) is marc21 knowledge very important for koha?
09:13 sidd i mean i have a small library and had never heard of marc 21 till a few weeks back
09:14 sidd and I have movies with 2-3 cds each (INdian movies are traditionally 3 hours....)
09:14 sidd so if I want to give only one out of the set, can I do that?
09:14 cait sidd: you can get along without very deep knowledge of the standard
09:14 cait it dpeends on your materials and what you want to do
09:14 * mtompset nods.
09:14 sidd and how should I create the item. Item creation shows framework that is marc 21 all through :(
09:15 mtompset If you just want to grab the biblio records from some other z39.50 server to do quick data entry, I don't think you need to have to understand it much.
09:15 sidd these are some of the questions I need answers for. Will this be the right place to aks them?
09:15 mtompset Have you subscribed to the koha mailing list?
09:15 sidd mtompset: data entry is ok, for around 2500 books, i can import it from my existing xls sheets
09:16 sidd mtompset: no, haven't. will they be patient enough ;) :)
09:16 mtompset If you email the koha mailing list, you have more chance of getting a response. Just don't expect answers immediately.
09:16 sidd cait: is there a step by step guide (say how-tos) for common things done in koha?
09:16 mtompset Remember this is all help provided for free.
09:17 mtompset sidd: You might want to check out VKV's blog site.
09:17 sidd mtompset: I know. I am an active member of the fedora chat room at freenode.
09:17 mtompset Perhaps he links to a useful video or such.
09:17 sidd mtompset: hmmm...will do that.
09:18 mtompset I see he has linked to a lot of videos from one official Koha Service Provider.
09:20 sidd looks good. will read his articles and see if they help me.
09:20 sidd i'll be back...mwah ha ha ha... :)
09:37 mtompset Hmmm... osslabs is a paid support provider for koha, but they have a 3.2 koha live cd.
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09:50 drojf chris_n++
09:50 drojf good day #koha
09:52 mtompset greetings, drojf.
09:54 drojf hi mtompset
09:58 mtompset So burn your eyes further, drojf?
09:59 cait chris_n++ indeed
09:59 cait hi drojf
09:59 drojf heh. just from too little sleep, not the chili :)
09:59 drojf hi cait
10:01 cait :)
10:04 magnuse kia ora #koha
10:07 drojf hei magnuse
10:08 magnuse hiya drojf and matts and cait and mtompset
10:08 mtompset Greetings, magnuse.
10:08 mtompset greetings, matts.
10:09 cait hi magnuse :)
10:09 magnuse \o/
10:11 mtompset /o\
10:19 * magnuse wanders off

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