IRC log for #koha, 2012-10-06

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03:16 mtompset Greetings!
03:16 mtompset Disk space problem fixed. YAY!
03:20 jcamins_away What was it?
03:20 mtompset The hosts sysadmin was doing a 'mv' of some folders.
03:21 mtompset But across partitions... it actually does a cp and del.
03:21 jcamins_away Right.
03:21 mtompset So, the problem has been remedied now.
03:21 mtompset I'm happy. Koha use is back to normal now. :)
03:24 jcamins_away Any explanation for the ffs filesystem?
03:25 mtompset Didn't ask.
03:26 mtompset I got my 20GB back... everything is good in the world. :)
03:30 jcamins_away Fair enough.
04:04 Oak joined #koha
04:06 * Oak waves
04:06 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
04:06 * mtompset frowns.
04:07 mtompset All the October 4 error log entries are: Subroutine plugin redefined at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/catalo​guing/value_builder/ line 101.
04:07 mtompset Such floodiness.
04:07 jcamins_away Hehe.
04:07 jcamins_away Of course the subroutine was redefined.
04:08 jcamins_away What's odd is that you're getting the warnings.
04:08 jcamins_away That's why that file is not "use warnings" safe.
04:08 mtompset Hey, this is a standard 3.8.5 packages install.
04:09 mtompset You mean I shouldn't be getting those floody warnings?
04:09 jcamins_away Right.
04:09 mtompset Like someone inserted a "use warnings" that shouldn't be there?
04:09 jcamins_away Right.
04:09 jcamins_away Well, uncommented.
04:10 jcamins_away It should have stayed blissfully commented.
04:10 mtompset Okay... should be there commented out with an explanation.
04:11 jcamins_away Right.
04:12 jcamins_away Or, I suppose, someone could have told it to ignore the subroutine redefinition warnings only.
04:13 mtompset Hey, what timezone are you in? Shouldn't you be sleeping about now, jcamins_away?
04:13 jcamins_away EST.
04:13 jcamins_away Yeah, it's 00:10.
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04:13 jcamins But I finished dinner five minutes ago.
04:26 mtompset actually, I can understand why you call it supper, given the time-travelly nature of not-sleeping while crossing daily time boundaries, but perhaps that was breakfast (first meal of the day) too? ;)
04:27 jcamins Hehe.
04:27 mtompset breakfast, merienda/coffee break, brunch, lunch, merienda/coffee break, dinner, supper, tea, evening snack, midnight snack. :)
04:28 jcamins Shouldn't it be a midnight snack?
04:28 mtompset it would be a pretty big snack then. ;)
04:28 jcamins It would be indeed.
04:28 jcamins A delicious snack, though.
04:29 * jcamins had salad with quinoa-spinach cakes crumbled over it.
04:29 jcamins Yum!
04:29 mtompset what spinach?
04:29 jcamins Just frozen spinach.
04:29 jcamins It's more cost-effective than fresh spinach.
04:30 mtompset http://hostedmedia.reimanpub.c[…]HC1785930D55B.jpg
04:30 jcamins Any kind of spinach goes well in quinoa cakes, though, I think.
04:30 mtompset Did it look like that?
04:31 mtompset Because that salad looks delicious.
04:31 jcamins I forewent the dried cranberries (don't have any), and since I started with quinoa cakes there were little lumps of quinoa rather than individual grains, but basically, yes.
04:32 mtompset "forewent" -- You speak erudite goodly. :P
04:33 jcamins :P
04:43 * jcamins goes to sleep, having updated a bunch of bugs.
04:44 jcamins Anyone who spots a 3.12-targeted bug is more than welcome to mark it as such.
04:44 jcamins The RM Presumptive would find it very helpful.
04:46 mtompset How can you find a 3.12 bug? Is there something newer than master?!
04:47 mtompset @tell later khall Could you check out bug 8175?
04:47 huginn mtompset: Error: I haven't seen later, I'll let you do the telling.
04:47 mtompset @tell khall later Could you check out bug 8175?
04:48 mtompset @tell khall Could you check out bug 8175?
04:48 mtompset I guess I have the wrong syntax.
04:49 mtompset @later tell khall Could you check out bug 8175?
04:49 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
04:50 mtompset There we go.
04:59 mtompset GAH! Another person didn't put signed off in the attachment. And I forgot to read the status.
05:32 * mtompset saunters off for a nice weekend-afternoon nap.
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07:10 rangi hi cait
07:10 cait evening rangi
07:11 sidd joined #koha
07:11 sidd hi, anyone there? am a newbie and need help
07:12 sidd am not able to see my books in the catalogue search
07:12 cait faq?
07:12 wahanui i think faq is found at
07:12 cait sidd: you could start with the faq - it's a question asked often and there is a couple of reasons why that can be
07:13 sidd cait: thanks
07:14 sidd I have been through a few tutorials and followed them to a T but still don't get anything
07:14 cait it's most likely a zebra problem
07:14 cait which version of koha did you install and how?
07:15 sidd 3.0.1. downloaded the cd from osslabs
07:16 sidd sorry
07:16 rangi wow, that's an incredibly old version
07:16 sidd um, can I get a new version then? something that I can create a CD of and install?
07:16 sidd I use fedora most of the time and it is a pain to install it on that
07:16 sidd am not so good with suse or ubuntu :(
07:17 sidd cait: it never complained of zebra. how do i see the logs?
07:18 sidd and in about it says Zebra 2.0.43 - seems to be installed
07:18 cait live cds are difficult
07:18 cait but you shouldn't be using that version relaly
07:18 sidd oh, ok
07:18 cait it's too old and will give you problems
07:18 sidd which is the latest one? I'll install it on fedora 17 (hope it supports that)
07:18 cait would it possible for you to do an instalation on debian or ubuntu? it's really very easy for those
07:18 cait and welll documented
07:19 sidd uh, ok. I just received a ubuntu DVD. will try it there.
07:19 cait the latest is... 3.8.5
07:19 sidd where do i download the latest one from?
07:19 cait with ubuntu you can use the packages I think - I have done that in the past to set up a dev environment
07:20 sidd cait: thanks, that should be great. i tried evergreen in fedora - did not work. then koha broke my perl :(
07:20 cait oh
07:20 cait packages?
07:20 wahanui packages is, like, at
07:21 cait maybe take a look here :)
07:21 cait it's pretty straight forward and hopefully shouldn't break anything
07:21 rangi wow, that's odd, you are the first one that has ever happened to :)
07:21 sidd rangi: you mean on fedora?
07:21 cait sidd: are you running more web applications on that server you are trying to install koha on?
07:21 rangi no, first person ever to manage to break perl, installing some perl scripts
07:22 sidd rangi :) i allowed it to upgrade/downgrade (don't remember which) some of my perl modules
07:22 rangi koha wont do that
07:22 sidd cait: it is a dedicated machine i bought for this
07:23 rangi you must have been doing somethign with cpan
07:23 sidd rangi: not koha per se. I was trying to install what ever it said was missing. In fact, some where I read I will have to have a separate perl installatoin for this (forget what that technique is called)
07:23 rangi yeah thats not right
07:24 rangi the problem is a lot of people have written 'guides' that actually tell people to do quite stupid things
07:24 sidd rangi: I agree with you.
07:24 rangi but there's no way to go round the internet taking them down :)
07:25 sidd i'll write a good one about my experience so that some day some poor sod may get the right help :P
07:25 rangi if you used ubuntu, or debian, with the packages, its very easy to install and update
07:25 sidd rangi: cait told me. I am going to format this machine and install ubuntu
07:25 sidd don't have debian though
07:26 sidd thanks guys, I'll be back :)
07:26 rangi ubuntu is ok
07:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #194 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:29 * cait cheers for jenkins
07:42 drojf good morning #koha
07:42 rangi hi drojf
07:43 drojf hi rangi :)
07:45 drojf wow, i did not see that coming @ livecd manager
07:46 rangi yep, we'll see, it's a lot of work, 2 cd's or so every month
07:49 drojf not sure why he's insisting on it being on ubuntu as debian seems to work fine with remastersys and it's not very different systemwise but if he'd be actually keeping up with the releases that would be cool
07:49 rangi yeah, even better if its packages based
07:50 rangi because then people could upgrade easily
07:50 rangi otherwise by lowering the barrier to install, but not lowering it for upgrade
07:50 drojf yes i'd like that
07:50 rangi = hundreds (if not thousands) of unpatched vulnerable systesm the next time a security bug is found
07:53 rangi i think i didnt really make that point
07:57 drojf well… if we have a manager type of guy for that, i suppose there will be a bugtracker section for livecds where such concerns can be addressed :)
07:58 rangi oh good point
07:59 rangi cait:
07:59 cait hi drojf :)
08:00 drojf hi cait :)
08:00 drojf strange things are happening. 200 million euro for meego and HP seems to be hiring ~50 people for webos
08:01 cait hm
08:01 drojf uh. well-patented. ugly
08:02 rangi yeah
08:05 cait yeah
08:05 cait kinda sad.
08:05 drojf rangi: did you see my comment on the xslt icon bug? are you missing a very potent line of css somewhere or did i break it somehow?
08:06 rangi hm not sure, ill look on monday :)
08:06 drojf ok
08:07 rangi bbiab
08:07 drojf so, cooking habanero sauce and baking bread or staring at the screen in a lazy fashion?
08:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #194: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/194/
08:07 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8379 removing another useless ->disconnect line
08:07 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8379 don't close dbh
08:07 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 8810 - Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode
08:07 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8497: Strange behavior when modifying the timeout system preference
08:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8379 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Encoding problem under Plack
08:07 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 8796 - patron cards not starting on designated card
08:07 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 8850: Export CanBookBeReserved in C4::ILSDI::Services
08:07 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 8850: Export CanItemBeReserved in C4::ILSDI::Services
08:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8810 normal, P3, ---, veron, Pushed to Stable , Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode
08:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8497 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Strange behavior when modifying the 'timeout' system preference.
08:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8796 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Stable , patron cards not starting on designated card
08:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8850 trivial, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Can't place hold on title with ILS-DI
08:08 cait drojf: cooking
08:08 cait and send some here
08:08 drojf :)
08:10 drojf wow that mango smeels delicious. almost to good to cook it
08:10 drojf smells even
08:14 cait yum ;)
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09:28 magnuse Oak
09:29 cait hi magnuse :)
09:29 cait go and enjoy your weekend!
09:29 magnuse hiya cait
09:29 magnuse i will - just dropped by
09:30 * magnuse wanders off into the rain to do some shopping
09:30 cait :)
09:42 drojf i can break the new favicon in the staff client
09:45 cait skillful
09:45 Oak magnuse
09:45 Oak cait
09:46 cait Oak
09:46 Oak project report was subitted, and gave the viva voce, now it's all done. just waiting for the degree now.
09:46 Oak you did not ask much about it later though :)
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09:47 mtompset Greetigs, #koha.
09:47 Oak to wander off into the rain to do some shopping... that's poetic.
09:48 Oak greetings mtompset
09:48 mtompset I'll do my shopping in the rain? ;)
09:48 mtompset Sounds like an Everly Brother's song.
09:50 drojf cait: do a syspref search for "opacbrowser". it loads the new icon first and then replaces it with the old. no idea where that comes from
09:50 Oak :)
09:58 mtompset jquery, drojf?
10:10 cait funny
10:12 mtompset funny?
10:39 drojf perl 101 question
10:39 drojf foreach my $group ( sort keys %$tab ) {
10:39 drojf if ( $group ) { # do stuff }
10:39 drojf }
10:39 drojf why would i have that if ($group) there?
10:40 drojf in foreach my $group, how could there not be ($group)? or is that just weird code?
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10:44 drojf ah, if there's nothing to sort in %$tab maybe?
10:49 mtompset No.... there may be a key which is empty.
10:54 mtompset you can have my %hash = ( '' => 'Default', 'key1' => 'Key Value 1', 'key2' => 'Key Value 2' );
10:54 mtompset Though, seeing a %$tab means that the hash was probably returned as a hash reference.
10:59 drojf ah i see. thanks mtompset
10:59 mtompset keys is a function that would return ( '', 'key1', 'key2' ) in my above example.
10:59 mtompset sort is a function that puts them in order.
11:00 mtompset And even if it was my %hash = ( '' => 'Default', 'key2' => 'Key Value 2', 'key1' => 'Key Value 1' );
11:01 mtompset sorting the keys would still return ( '', 'key1', 'key2' ).
11:01 mtompset Because hashes don't always list in the same order you add pairs.
11:01 mtompset This is why people frequently sort them.
11:04 drojf yes i knew about the sorting part, did not think of an empty key though. thanks
11:05 drojf what if there were no key at all? would it skip the whole foreach?
11:21 mtompset Only if the hash was empty... sorry, got distracted.
11:22 mtompset So my %hash; or my %hash=();
11:26 mtompset Hmm... that's an interesting thought.
11:26 mtompset You're reading admin/
11:26 drojf yup
11:29 mtompset Why? If you are a newbie perl programmer, I wouldn't be reading that for examples. ;)
11:34 drojf learning the hard way ;)
11:35 drojf i tried to look into the mystery of the wrong favicon. without much success
11:36 mtompset Oh, drojf ... wrong favicon?
11:36 mtompset on logout?
11:36 mtompset on login?
11:37 mtompset I did a patch related to that. I think.
11:37 mtompset bug 8737
11:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8737 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Incorrect icon at login in staff client
11:37 jcamins_away drojf: bread? Okay, then. :D
11:39 drojf jcamins_away: bread is done, cooking the chili sauce soon (after the jars are boiled off) :)
11:40 jcamins_away You're canning chili?
11:40 drojf it's basically a mango chutney with habanero that gets puréed at the end
11:41 drojf mtompset: no the bug i found is not about custom icons but the default ones
11:41 jcamins Ah.
11:41 jcamins Very cannable.
11:41 jcamins drojf: BibLibre did a patch for that.
11:41 jcamins But no one could replicate it.
11:42 drojf ah. cool. i know how to repilcate it :)
11:42 drojf replicate even
11:42 drojf guess i should have checked the bug tracker first ;)
11:44 jcamins I'm thinking of making blueberry muffins.
11:44 mtompset Is everyone here a librarian, computer geek that cooks/bakes?
11:44 drojf jcamins: you should
11:45 liw mtompset, some of us are delegated to the role of reading and eating
11:47 drojf i think i checked the bug tracker, i can't find it
11:47 jcamins drojf: I'm also thinking of making apple bread.
11:47 jcamins I guess I could make both.
11:48 jcamins Bug 8473
11:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Different favicon in the staff client only shows in the english templates
11:50 drojf jcamins: why wouldn't you do both? :)
11:50 jcamins drojf: storage space. :P
11:50 drojf heh
11:51 drojf my bug is different. it's in the english version
11:51 drojf only in parts of the syspref search
11:53 drojf there seem to be two methods of displaying the results if the syspref search. either show the whole tab and jump to the syspref you searched for, or show only those sysprefs that match the search. in the former, you get the "old" icon (the one now used only in OPAC)
11:53 drojf s/results if/results in/
11:54 drojf but on top of that, this is only true for some of the tabs
11:54 jcamins Ohhh.
11:54 jcamins Yeah, that's something else.
11:55 drojf happens for results from Administration, Authorities, Circulation, Creators, Logs, OPAC, Patrons, Searching, Staff client. not for results from the others. and not if you have more than one search term
11:56 drojf like, old icon for results of search for 'opacbrowser', but new icon for search for 'opac browser'
11:57 * drojf is off to the kitchen
12:02 jcamins The muffin recipe I want to use calls for room temperature butter. :'(
12:03 mtompset put the butter out, fix a couple bugs... go back to the butter.
12:06 drojf lat myshkin sit on it for a while
12:06 drojf let
12:06 jcamins lol
12:08 * mtompset laughs, "That's funny, drojf."
12:19 mtompset The frameworkcode in biblio_framework can't be null, right?
12:19 mtompset well, null or empty?
12:20 jcamins No.
12:20 jcamins That is wrong.
12:21 jcamins The frameworkcode is _usually_ ''.
12:23 mtompset Yes, the entered one is normally '', what I'm talking about is the biblio_framework table.
12:24 jcamins Oh.
12:24 jcamins No, it can still be ''.
12:24 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "Default biblio_framework table..." (14 lines) at
12:25 jcamins Hmm.
12:25 jcamins Maybe it can't be ''.
12:25 jcamins I guess this is why we don't use foreign keys.
12:26 jcamins Frameworks were just a terrible idea all around so I just ignore them.
12:26 mtompset Yes, but compares the frameworkcode from biblio_framework against a parameter frameworkcode.
12:27 mtompset And I'm trying to figure out if I can simply || q{} it.
12:27 jcamins Probably.
12:27 mtompset That would depend on how biblio_framework's frameworkcode works.
12:27 mtompset If you can enter a blank one, then it won't work.
12:28 jcamins But I don't know, and as things to think about go, that's so far down on my list that that's my definitive answer.
12:28 mtompset because that's a change in logic.
12:28 mtompset '' eq '' vs. undef eq ''
12:29 mtompset I suppose I'll have to try to enter a blank framework code.
12:31 mtompset oh that's wrong.
12:31 mtompset This is why I hate making a test plan...
12:32 mtompset I keep finding more bugs while figure out a reasonable test plan.
12:32 mtompset There is a check to prevent empty framework codes.
12:32 mtompset However, i put a single space.
12:33 mtompset And then... I put a single space but a different description.
12:33 mtompset Now my second entry has gone into lala land.
12:34 mtompset Ah... didn't add it... duplicate primary key error log.
12:45 mtompset I have an idea on how to fix that, but it is ugly. :(
12:45 jcamins It's a primary key.
12:45 jcamins It can't be duplicated.
12:45 jcamins Period.
12:46 mtompset Yes, but if we have a check to prevent '', the check should be smart enough to complain about it, before generating an error.
12:46 jcamins If that can be done without mangling the database, sure.
12:47 mtompset No, the idea would be pass the existing frameworkcodes as a comma delimited list to the template, which would then pass it as a parameter to the javascript check function.
12:48 mtompset But that's not really scalable.
12:48 mtompset Though, I can't imagine people having thousands of frameworks.
12:51 jcamins mtompset: unless there's already a check for it, someone, somewhere has created a framework with a comma.
12:52 jcamins (in the frameworkcode)
12:52 mtompset Shoot, what's that quote...
12:52 mtompset @quote get 123
12:52 huginn mtompset: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
12:54 drojf i can use a comma in the framework code? \o/ *runs off with shouts of joy*
12:55 mtompset drojf: You can use any valid character in framework code. :P
12:55 drojf and i will!
12:55 jcamins Traffic is particularly bad this morning.
12:55 jcamins People have just been leaning on their horns.
12:58 jcamins You know what would be great? A device that allows you to push a button and have A) the horn, and B) all the wheels disappear from any car that is driven by an overly-enthusiastic horn blower.
13:01 drojf lol
13:04 drojf a friend of mine has been to new york with his wife for their honeymoon like a week ago. he sent me a message about traffic and horn noises and expressed that to be exacly what he has been looking forward to, as kind of a trademark of new york (wasn't his first time there). think of the tourists, they seem to like the noise ;)
13:04 jcamins Fine, it can be loud in Manhattan.
13:04 drojf lol
13:17 mtompset Nah... a teleporter.
13:18 jcamins When your friend comes back to New York in 25 years to celebrate his anniversary, and doesn't like the noise, though, he better know it's all his fault. :P
13:18 mtompset You push the button, and the vehicle of your choise is teleported randomly within a 20km radius to some empty road.
13:18 jcamins mtompset: ooh, nice! Even better!
13:19 mtompset This teleport feature would also occur if you honk more than 10 times in a single minute, or hold the horn down longer than 10 seconds.
13:19 jcamins With a special setting for "on a 1-way street going the wrong way."
13:20 mtompset It would occur randomly anyways. :)
13:20 mtompset Actually... forget a teleport... that requires new tech... blow the car up.
13:20 jcamins Yeah, but it should *always* happen to people who lean on the horn for 30 seconds at 8am on a weekend.
13:21 mtompset If you hold your horn for more than 10 seconds, your car blows up,.
13:21 mtompset (assuming you are conscious)
13:23 mtompset okay...
13:23 mtompset I've done a git commit...
13:23 mtompset how do I attach my patch to a bug using git bz?
13:23 jcamins git-bz attach -e [bugnumber] HEAD
13:24 mtompset What's the HEAD for?
13:24 jcamins That's the commit you're attaching.
13:26 * mtompset is listening to Herman's Hermits. :)
13:32 mtompset Seems like the trickle of 3.6.x patches is slowing down.
13:34 jcamins Yeah, 3.6.x has pretty much shaken itself out.
13:35 mtompset well, some of my patches apply back... but seeing as most of what I've patching are silent error log entries, it's no biggie.
13:36 mtompset I think I did something wrong...
13:37 mtompset Did it mean the first uncommented line?
13:37 jcamins What first uncommented line?
13:37 mtompset when it pops up the file to edit for the git-bz.
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13:38 mtompset It looked okay to me, but then it blew up... suggesting I hadn't entered a description.
13:39 jcamins No, you just waited too long.
13:39 jcamins You have to save and close the file within 5 seconds.
13:39 mtompset you have to be kidding me, right?!
13:39 jcamins No.
13:39 mtompset That's dumb!
13:40 jcamins It's a limitation in Bugzilla.
13:40 jcamins Don't write a novel in your bz-only comments.
13:40 jcamins (and, yes it is)
13:40 mtompset But 5 seconds isn't enough to check if it is right.
13:41 mtompset Well, it worked when I just :wq'd right away.
13:41 jcamins What do you mean?
13:41 jcamins If you don't know that your commit message was correct, you shouldn't be uploading the patch to bugzilla.
13:42 mtompset Then why does it even show it?!
13:42 mtompset If it shows it, I want to check it.
13:42 jcamins So you can obsolete old patches.
13:42 jcamins That's what -e is for.
13:43 jcamins If you don't put in -e, it will just attach.
13:43 mtompset Ah... so if I didn't put -e, it wouldn't show me?
13:43 jcamins Right.
13:45 mtompset Well, that was nice and quick to put up.
13:54 mtompset Nice only "4" patches/bugs to go.
13:54 mtompset Though the silent errors in are going to be a bit longer than usual. :(
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14:33 drojf i should have used white balsamic vinegar to have a nicer colour, but apart from that i'm ready to burn a few tongues with that stuff
14:36 drojf what's a step by step livecd? it does not only need no installation but explains all the koha to you?
14:40 jcamins drojf: I think it means "can you provide some transparency so we know what you did?"
14:41 drojf ah, step by step of the livecd creation… i did not read it that way but would make sense
14:44 drojf jcamins: as i said before, an official livecd manager would certainly look at the livecd section of bugzilla and address concerns. like "please make the installation feature use packages" and stuff :)
14:45 jcamins I think it's a good idea.
14:49 drojf oh he really added himself to the wiki
14:50 drojf hm no mtompset did it. i would have preferred to give him the choice to do that himself…
14:51 mtompset Yes, I added it... I sent an email about that... but it got held up, bcause too many people on it.
14:53 mtompset Well, as is quoted, VKV did offer to take that role.
14:55 mtompset I sent him a facebook message that I did.
14:55 drojf still it would be nice to have people confirm volunteering for a lot of work. he might feel more pushed than he likes now
14:58 drojf you are friends on facebook?
15:01 mtompset No.
15:02 mtompset He sent a request, so I know his user name.
15:02 drojf mhh habanero. when just using the knife you cut chili with to slice some bread makes it really spicy
15:03 jcamins drojf: was that intentional?
15:04 drojf not unintentional. i knew i had not cleaned it yet but i did not expect it to be that much
15:05 drojf i wonder what else is terribly hot because i touched it and only find out later. when rubbing my eyes…
15:07 mtompset ouch.
15:07 mtompset hate what that happens.
15:08 mtompset is there some utility to diff mysqldumps?
15:23 mtompset I'm quitting... memory low... Have a good 24 period. :)
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16:56 mib_obnqpp hello
16:57 mib_obnqpp after I have migrated a data.marc into koha
16:57 mib_obnqpp how many ways I can check the data into database?
16:59 mib_obnqpp 2- If i only import only one record, in what position will be added? in the last of the table? or in the first row in the table?
16:59 mib_obnqpp thank you for Ur time
16:59 mib_obnqpp :)
17:01 jcamins_away mib_obnqpp: it's a very quiet time, and I'm not particularly here, but here are some quick answers:
17:02 jcamins_away 1) you could look directly in the database, follow the direct link from the staged marc screen, or you could wait for Zebra to index, and search for the record using Zebra.
17:04 mib_obnqpp mmm ok if i could look into inventory too?
17:07 jcamins_away If that meets your needs, sure.
17:07 mib_obnqpp thank for answer, beside  Official Website of Koha Library Software the demo 3.8, when I try to login: bywaterbywater
17:07 mib_obnqpp Error: Invalid username or password
17:07 jcamins_away 2) records are added at the end of the table, but that knowledge won't help you at all.
17:08 jcamins_away I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but I think you're doing it the wrong way.
17:08 jcamins_away That's ByWater's demo. I don't use it.
17:08 mib_obnqpp ok i understand
17:08 jcamins_away I think you're supposed to login with the user "bywater" and password "bywater"
17:09 mib_obnqpp yes if u try rightnow there is somethin wrong
17:09 jcamins_away That may be.
17:09 * jcamins_away does not work for ByWater.
17:09 mib_obnqpp yeah
17:10 mib_obnqpp i dont know what happend maybe is offline :(
17:12 jcamins_away Could be.
17:13 mib_obnqpp ok thank U, by the way
17:14 mib_obnqpp how the data is searched into database?
17:14 jcamins_away Koha uses something called Zebra.
17:15 mib_obnqpp yeah and then use a variable to store the itembiik and lookup in the table?
17:16 mib_obnqpp for example: i search history.......  1) go to zebra look for the word history
17:18 mib_obnqpp 2)retrieval the location of numer of book or something like this and then lookup into the table?
17:19 mib_obnqpp use zebra to data index and then use it to retrieval the location of book?
17:22 jcamins_away Not exactly, no.
17:22 jcamins_away Zebra returns the record.
17:22 jcamins_away What are you trying to do?
17:23 mib_obnqpp Its understand how does it work i have some experience in NoSQL database
17:23 mib_obnqpp so zebra upload all the records? :O
17:23 jcamins_away The Zebra indexes store all the records, yes.
17:24 jcamins_away Are you familiar with MARC?
17:24 mib_obnqpp yes!
17:24 mib_obnqpp not only marc
17:24 jcamins_away Okay.
17:24 jcamins_away Just checking.
17:25 jcamins_away In that case, your best bet is to install Koha and play around a bit. :)
17:25 mib_obnqpp yeah that could be the best advice :)
17:25 mib_obnqpp thank bro for the information
17:25 jcamins_away Good luck.
17:25 jcamins_away Stop by if you have specific questions.
17:26 mib_obnqpp mmm ok can you give me a advice?
17:26 drojf packages?
17:26 wahanui i think packages is at
17:26 drojf ^^ advice
17:26 drojf :)
17:26 mib_obnqpp haha ok :)
17:26 mib_obnqpp opensuse?
17:26 wahanui hmmm... opensuse is the one which is recommanded in our org
17:26 jcamins_away drojf++ # the best advice by far
17:26 jcamins_away No.
17:26 jcamins_away wahanui: forget opensuse
17:26 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot opensuse
17:27 jcamins_away OpenSUSE is not used by many developers, and will likely be difficult to get Koha working with.
17:27 jcamins_away opensuse?
17:27 wahanui it has been said that opensuse is not used by many developers, and will likely be difficult to get Koha working with.
17:27 jcamins_away Debian or Ubuntu is your best bet.
17:27 drojf mib_obnqpp: i had it run on opensuse ~2 years ago. it worked back then, but we switched to debian for the packages. they make life SO much easier
17:27 mib_obnqpp ok what flavor of linux recommed it?
17:28 drojf debian squeeze or ubuntu 12.04
17:29 mib_obnqpp rightnow i am lookup for the package and koha is in the opensuse 12.1 from yast2
17:29 drojf there are no packages for opensuse
17:29 drojf that's the problem
17:29 drojf we don't have rpm packages, because there is nobody who would maintain them
17:30 jcamins_away And I only know of one person who uses Koha on OpenSuSE, so you wouldn't be able to get much help when you run into problems. :(
17:30 mib_obnqpp i got it!
17:30 mib_obnqpp debian squeeze or ubuntu 12.04
17:31 * drojf is off to do weekendish non-computery things
17:32 ketchup Just my personal opinion here, but OpenSuse is a logical platform to support Koha on. Networking and sysadmin is so much better on OpenSuse than Debian,
17:32 ketchup and there is a supported version, Suse, for those that want that.
17:32 ketchup And furthermore, Big Bill Windstead at is willing to do all the work
17:33 mib_obnqpp also suse studio is the best to create live cd!!
17:33 mustard actually there are some live cd's out there already
17:33 mustard based on deb I think
17:34 mustard
17:34 mib_obnqpp ok I try first in debian and then opensuse
17:35 mib_obnqpp i will inform in the list koha-deb about my advance in koha
17:35 mib_obnqpp thank to alll
17:35 mib_obnqpp :)
17:35 mustard if you ask and be patient for opensuse help on the mailing list there are people that will try to give some general help probably
17:36 mib_obnqpp yes thank you
17:36 mib_obnqpp greettings!
17:36 mib_obnqpp bye bye
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20:01 cait hi #koha
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23:17 * jcamins_away struggles to resist responding to the troll.
23:19 mtj wow, that should be a good one...
23:19 jcamins_away I can't do it.
23:19 jcamins_away I just...
23:19 jcamins_away can't.
23:19 jcamins_away I know I shouldn't.
23:20 mtj dude, dont even go there :/
23:20 * jcamins_away is going to write the response then delete it.
23:20 mtj ->
23:20 jcamins_away lol
23:21 mtj … just get some pop-corn, bro
23:21 jcamins_away lol
23:21 jcamins_away No, I'll feel better having written a response.
23:21 mtj … with the greatest of respect, of course ;)
23:22 jcamins_away I'll be a better person for not having sent it.
23:22 jcamins_away :)
23:26 jcamins_away @later tell mtompset Drop it. There is no point pursuing this conversation.
23:26 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
23:28 mtj oooh, i just bothered to read to the bottom...
23:32 mtj …i just had a horrible time upgrading Koha, and everyone involved in Koha contributed to my poor experience :/
23:32 mtj … please try to do better next time, thanks! :)
23:33 * jcamins_away is available for hire. Though it is worth pointing out that my rates for fixing Koha installations performed *against* my recommendations are rather higher than my usual rates. 30 times higher.
23:36 jcamins_away A shame that people never take that into consideration when asking for free help.
23:40 jcamins_away "Gee, this person who makes a living doing this stuff told me for free that I should follow path X, and that if I followed path Y it would cost more than my annual budget to persuade him to fix it... maybe I should do X."
23:56 rangi Hence my patches accepted mail
23:56 rangi He so far has done nothing but spread fud
23:56 rangi And deserves no more of our time than that
23:58 * rangi is out

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