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kf |
good morning #koha |
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rangi |
hi kf |
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eythian |
rangi: yeah, thinking maybe them\ |
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kf |
eythian: still raining? :) |
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eythian |
No, it's stopped for now. |
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kf |
ah, so you went to training? ;) |
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eythian |
no, it was raining earlier. |
| 06:00 |
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eythian |
I did work instead. |
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kf |
excuse? |
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wahanui |
kf: My pony-tail hit the on/off switch on the power strip. |
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mtj |
kf, theres a backup of the #irc logs here .. -> http://www.kohaaloha.com/index.pl?option=irc |
| 06:12 |
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magnuse |
kia ora #koha! |
| 06:13 |
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rangi |
hi magnuse |
| 06:13 |
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magnuse |
hiya rangi |
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magnuse |
how was monday? |
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rangi |
not too bad |
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magnuse |
yay |
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rangi |
a bit rainy |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 5.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on October 08, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.54 in 1000 hPa (Falling). |
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magnuse |
ah, and spring is approaching in nz of course - lucky you! |
| 06:14 |
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magnuse |
ooh lucky reas too, moving from autumn to spring :-) |
| 06:15 |
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rangi |
heh no winter for them this year |
| 06:15 |
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magnuse |
yay! |
| 06:16 |
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magnuse |
@wunder wellington, nz |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 PM NZDT on October 08, 2012). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:18 |
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mtj |
… and hi magnuse, rangi , kf |
| 06:18 |
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magnuse |
kia ora mtj! |
| 06:19 |
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* mtj |
hopefully meeting brooke for a night-before beer, soonish... |
| 06:20 |
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magnuse |
say hi from me then, please! |
| 06:20 |
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mtj |
yep, will do :) |
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magnuse |
night-before? |
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mib_xk6whv |
hi.. |
| 06:21 |
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mtj |
magnuse, i think shes flying back to USA tomorrow |
| 06:22 |
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magnuse |
ah, ok |
| 06:22 |
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mtj |
hi mib_xk6whv |
| 06:22 |
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magnuse |
my first thought was someone getting married - no idea why... |
| 06:23 |
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mtj |
aaah yep, thats the other night-before :) |
| 06:23 |
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mib_xk6whv |
dear one doubt........... |
| 06:23 |
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mib_xk6whv |
about koha |
| 06:24 |
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magnuse |
rangi++ for whining |
| 06:26 |
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magnuse |
hehe, norwegian hobbit-queuers got their premiere tickets yesterday :-) |
| 06:26 |
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rangi |
hehe |
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mib_xk6whv |
kooii kooii... |
| 06:26 |
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eythian |
Why is ExtendedPatronAttributes even an option? You can always just not use them. |
| 06:26 |
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rangi |
don't ask to ask, just ask |
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rangi |
eythian: display thing the box shows up even if you dont use them |
| 06:27 |
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eythian |
in that case, it shouldn't unless there are some defined :) |
| 06:27 |
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magnuse |
eythian: patches accepted ;-) |
| 06:27 |
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rangi |
yep, but you might have some defined then not want to use them |
| 06:28 |
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rangi |
you could put it on by default for new installs |
| 06:28 |
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rangi |
that would make sense |
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mib_xk6whv |
yaa..yaaaa |
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eythian |
mib_xk6whv: are you just making noise? |
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mib_xk6whv |
noo..noo... |
| 06:31 |
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eythian |
well that was strange. |
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rangi |
yep |
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rangi |
mibbit |
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rangi |
keeping things weird |
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kf |
heh :) |
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kf |
morning all again, mtj , magnuse, eythian, rangi |
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magnuse |
kia ora kf! |
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rangi |
someone in delhi |
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reiveune |
hello |
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rangi |
hi reiveune |
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magnuse |
bonjour france :-) |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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huginn |
New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7339] Help System in IE8-9 Does Not Load With 500 Error <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7339> / [Bug 6875] de-nesting C4 packages <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6875> / [Bug 6536] Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6536> / [Bug 7127] Templates must be valid XHTML |
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eythian| |
mtj: where at? |
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kf |
hi reiveune and asaurat :) |
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asaurat |
hi kf! =) |
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reiveune |
hi :) |
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magnuse |
kia ora paul_p! |
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| 08:43 |
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rangi |
when did we add the lists permissions stuff? |
| 08:49 |
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magnuse |
bug 7805? |
| 08:49 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Exposing the new list permissions in opac and staff |
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magnuse |
bug 7310 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) |
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rangi |
ta |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 9.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on October 08, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Falling). |
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kf |
brr. |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on October 08, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Falling). |
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magnuse |
@wunder osl |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Holter S, Nannestad, Norway is 6.4°C (10:16 AM CEST on October 08, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
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kf |
BRR. |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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sidd |
hi, I am trying to acquire the first book in my library but am unable to edit quantity. I also see a message asking me to create a ACQ framework |
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mascha |
@drojf: many, many thanks - you saved my life :-) I tried a fresh installation of firefox and It work's! I am too new at koha but will hard working to get a profi... |
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huginn |
mascha: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 09:11 |
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drojf |
mascha: you're welcome :) where are you from? |
| 09:12 |
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mascha |
berlin, I'm a teacher and want to make our school-library with koha during holiday |
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drojf |
mascha: have we been writing emails? i'm from berlin too ;) |
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giggles |
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mascha-berlin |
@drojf so you are from Humboldt-Uni? |
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huginn |
mascha-berlin: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 09:22 |
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drojf |
mascha-berlin: yup :) |
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mascha-berlin |
auweia. ist das peinlich :-( |
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drojf |
mascha-berlin: don't put @ in front of the name, it confuses the bot ;) |
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rangi |
sidd: are you sure you are wanting to order ... not just catalogue something? |
| 09:22 |
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drojf |
wieso peinlich? die koha-welt ist klein ;) |
| 09:24 |
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mascha-berlin |
ok, Ich melde mich per Mail via Uni, bis dann |
| 09:25 |
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drojf |
ok bis dann |
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sidd |
rangi, i want to add a few books and noted that acquisition is the first step. |
| 09:27 |
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rangi |
only if you want to order them |
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sidd |
so how do I add books without ordering? |
| 09:27 |
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rangi |
acquisitions is for acquisitioning (usually purchasing, sometimes you use it for donations too) |
| 09:27 |
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rangi |
you just catalogue them |
| 09:28 |
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sidd |
:) you mean go through the MARC21 form? whew..ok. any simpler (human understandable) form? |
| 09:29 |
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sidd |
And why doesn't it let me specify quantity if I am ordering them? |
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drojf |
sidd: quantity is specified by how often you use 'add' at the bottom of the form |
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kf |
sidd: you need to press the plus sign in the form |
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kf |
but that can be changed with AcqCreateItem system preference |
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drojf |
oh it's a plus now? |
| 09:30 |
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kf |
and i missed the school teacher from berlin :( |
| 09:30 |
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kf |
ah no, it's add |
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kf |
it used to be a plus, but I found it hard to click and changed it |
| 09:34 |
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sidd |
oh, but i filled the form once and it still showed 0 :( |
| 09:36 |
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kf |
yes, you have to click the little link at the bottom of the form |
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kf |
then the item will show up in the table above and the quantitiy will increase |
| 09:40 |
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sidd |
kf: I changed the AcqCreateItem preference |
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sidd |
So to add books without ordering them, I have to fill in the MARC21 form, right? |
| 09:41 |
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sidd |
and My Z39.50 search shows no targets. I probably did not install any. Can I enter some now? |
| 09:45 |
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kf |
yes |
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kf |
under administration > z39.50 targets |
| 09:45 |
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kf |
but that's in the manual :) |
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sidd |
:) thanks. will read the manual |
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gaetan_B |
when installing in marc21, should i use dom or grs1 ? |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
is it for a production system? |
| 10:00 |
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kf |
there is a bug with duplicate 001 records not getting indexed correctly, with a workaround in bugzilla |
| 10:00 |
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kf |
if you use it for tsting I would go with dom |
| 10:01 |
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gaetan_B |
well it will be a production system soonish yes |
| 10:01 |
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gaetan_B |
kf you have the bug number at hand ? |
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gaetan_B |
hmm ok, i guess i'll consider dom as still experimental then ;) thanks kf ! |
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magnuse |
gaetan_B: bug 8665 |
| 10:03 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8665 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , DOM indexing fails to index some bib records |
| 10:04 |
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kf |
ah sorry, yes this one |
| 10:05 |
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kf |
gaetan_B: dom is better in general I think, maybe you could switch when updating, not sure how hard that is |
| 10:06 |
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gaetan_B |
kf: we'll see this later then, i'd rather give them something solid right now ;) |
| 10:07 |
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kf |
maybe read through the bug |
| 10:08 |
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kf |
marc21 ... where is the library? :) |
| 10:10 |
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kf |
only curious :) |
| 10:25 |
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kf |
hi matts_away |
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* magnuse |
manages to create and delete a stream (for the digital signs) with Test::WWW::Mechanize - and wanders off to lunch to celebrate |
| 10:25 |
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kf |
nice! |
| 10:26 |
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sidd |
ok, i imported a book using Z39.50. now when I to a catalog search I see the book in catalog and in reservoir. Is that ok? I don't see the book acquired using acquisition |
| 10:27 |
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sidd |
I mean the book acquired by ordering is not there in the biblio, only in the catalog, while the imported book is in both. |
| 10:27 |
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kf |
yes, that's ok |
| 10:28 |
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kf |
reservoir is only some kind of shadow catalog |
| 10:28 |
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sidd |
oh ok, I tried hard to delete that book :) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 10:37 |
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drojf |
hi mtompset |
| 10:37 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, drojf. |
| 10:37 |
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mtompset |
How's the raspberry pi? |
| 10:38 |
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drojf |
fine, not really used much. runs 3.8.5 smoothly |
| 10:40 |
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mtompset |
Not used much? Poor pi. :( |
| 10:41 |
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drojf |
can't play all day :( |
| 10:41 |
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drojf |
also spent some time trying useless stuff. just installed koha 3.8.5 on centos to see how that goes ;) |
| 10:45 |
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mtompset |
You will find >18 libraries missing from the DEFAULT repos. |
| 10:46 |
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kf |
drojf: and that's not palying? |
| 10:46 |
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* kf |
goes to lunch :) |
| 10:46 |
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mtompset |
kf++ # good zinger! |
| 10:46 |
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drojf |
mtompset: i cpan'ed like crazy |
| 10:46 |
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mtompset |
Nooooooooo! |
| 10:47 |
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* mtompset |
grins. |
| 10:47 |
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mtompset |
I did initially too. |
| 10:47 |
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drojf |
kf: it is. can't play all day, and spent playtime with that. so less pi ;) |
| 10:47 |
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mtompset |
Though, you can get some more if you are willing to try fedora repos. |
| 10:54 |
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drojf |
seems to work locally. can't connect from the host, no idea if that is a virtualbox thing or a centos thing. not sure if i want to know, i think i've seen enough of this. it's a pita to install, not sure if zebra would be working as i have no biblios. i think i'll save that part for some bad winter day. |
| 11:05 |
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mtompset |
Can't connect from host? Did you set your network settings correctly? |
| 11:13 |
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WaqarAzeem |
Hello! is there anyoption in option for administrator to print the patron card directly from his prfile webpage ie. Home › Patrons › Patron details |
| 11:13 |
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WaqarAzeem |
instead of batch card printing |
| 11:40 |
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kf |
marcelr++ |
| 11:41 |
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magnuse |
bug 8889? |
| 11:41 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8889 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Optionally compose Unicode characters when saving MARC record |
| 11:41 |
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kf |
yep |
| 11:41 |
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magnuse |
yeah, sounds promising |
| 11:43 |
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mtompset |
Yes, it does. I was sad there was no patch to read. :( |
| 11:45 |
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magnuse |
let's hope it's on its way :-) |
| 11:46 |
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kf |
magnuse: sorry, I have to kill your suggestion :( |
| 11:47 |
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kf |
magnuse: no translations for a sys pref |
| 11:49 |
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mtompset |
What suggestion? |
| 11:49 |
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wahanui |
suggestion is that we butter up nengard and ask for her survey setup another time |
| 11:49 |
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mtompset |
wahanui: forget suggestion |
| 11:49 |
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wahanui |
mtompset: I forgot suggestion |
| 11:49 |
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magnuse |
kf: gah! |
| 11:49 |
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* kf |
hides |
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magnuse |
kf: it was too simple a solution to be true... |
| 11:50 |
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mtompset |
Oh that suggestion. |
| 11:50 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: you could use something similar to what I did with DidYouMean. |
| 11:50 |
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kf |
maybe |
| 11:50 |
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mtompset |
Good morning, jcamins. |
| 11:51 |
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* magnuse |
has not looked at DidYouMean (yet) |
| 11:51 |
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jcamins |
kf made me do very complicated things. |
| 11:52 |
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kf |
what, me? |
| 11:52 |
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* kf |
is innocent |
| 11:52 |
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mtompset |
Well, isn't being annoying part of the job description? |
| 11:52 |
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kf |
not elected yet |
| 11:53 |
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mtompset |
kf: ratified. Who would say no to you? |
| 11:53 |
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* kf |
knows lots of people |
| 11:53 |
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mtompset |
Given the job description, and what jcamins just said, that wouldn't make sense to me. :) |
| 11:54 |
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kf |
jcamins: not sure how that would work for our problem here? the did you mean? |
| 11:54 |
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kf |
magnuse: maybe we could do something like I did for the export options |
| 11:55 |
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kf |
magnuse: you couldn't add any new index like this, but at least you could kill some you don't want and we could have a bigger list than default waiting to be activated |
| 11:55 |
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kf |
it's a case construct |
| 11:55 |
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kf |
switch/case whatever you call that |
| 11:56 |
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mtompset |
either, I'm pretty sure we know what you mean. Or did you mean something else? ;) |
| 11:56 |
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kf |
probably |
| 11:56 |
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kf |
;) |
| 11:58 |
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magnuse |
well, sounds like lots of good ideas - now get coding! ;-) |
| 11:58 |
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kf |
no time for play today :( |
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mtompset |
slides? |
| 12:07 |
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wahanui |
kf should be writing slides |
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kf |
not today |
| 12:20 |
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kf |
today kf should be planning a training |
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* paul_p |
testing IRC with thunderbird today ! |
| 12:29 |
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kf |
irc with thunderbird? :) |
| 12:30 |
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paul_p |
kf: yep. And also twitter ! |
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kf |
hm via plugin? |
| 12:30 |
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kf |
or is this part of the program? |
| 12:31 |
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paul_p |
kf: instant messaging added in thunderbird 14. Now, in thunderbird 15, it becomes to be quite handy |
| 12:31 |
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kf |
interesting |
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wahanui |
hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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magnuse |
kf: a training without slides? |
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kf |
magnuse: more hands on and showing things |
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paul_p |
and you've everything in one app, and are able to search over IRC history, mails, twitter,... |
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kf |
maybe a few slides to show workflows |
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kf |
drojf: ping ping ping |
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kf |
paul_p: interesting, I am using thunderbird at home |
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* magnuse |
should be using it, not relying on gmail |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.4°C (2:50 PM CEST on October 08, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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* kf |
is freezing |
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mtompset |
@wunder MNL |
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huginn |
mtompset: The current temperature in Ninoy Aquino Inter-National Airport, Philippines is 27.0°C (8:00 PM PHT on October 08, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Rising). |
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mtompset |
If there was a way to average those temperatures, that would be good. |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on October 08, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). |
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jcamins |
magnuse: kf: take a look at koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/text/explodedterms.tt to see what I was talking about. |
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smeagol |
Hi all. Please, what cron has to run to apply fines to a record once fines.pl has run? thanks |
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libsysguy |
fines.pl does apply the fines to the records |
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libsysguy |
do you have your sysprefs set to charge fines |
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kf |
smeagol: check your setting for the finesmode system preference |
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kf |
ah sorry libsysguy - scrolling broken |
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libsysguy |
heh its cool kf |
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libsysguy |
how you doing this morning? |
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kf |
getting buried in tickets |
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kf |
but it's ok |
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libsysguy |
heh I know the feeling |
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smeagol |
yes, it's set to calculate and charge when fines.pl runs |
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libsysguy |
smeagol I would suggest making sure the circ rules have the correct fines associated with them |
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kf |
smeagol: also holidays can play into the fines |
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smeagol |
Thanks, i figured it out. Staff patron type isn't assessed fines..thanks again! |
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libsysguy |
np |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
question |
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wahanui |
i think question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" |
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kf |
can I make books that have holds on them but are not yet waiting (still on shelf) not for loan for other borrowers? |
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kf |
guess not? or maybe there is a message, I should test that |
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jcamins |
kf: khall did a patch to make that optional. |
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kf |
ah |
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kf |
I guess that's for a newer version |
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jcamins |
I think it gives you a warning, though. |
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kf |
hm |
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magnuse |
koha doesn't really know if that book is on the regular shelf or on the shelf waiting to be picked up, does it? |
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smeagol |
sry..one more questioin if i can...Can I change patron type from staff and run fines.pl again? I've done that, but there must be a flag or something that prevents re-calculation of fines. Is there a way to reset? |
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magnuse |
kf: so if there is a hold and you try to issue to someone who does not have that hold, there should be a warning. but i have no iea if there actually is |
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jcamins |
magnuse: I think there's a warning that you're trying to check a book out to someone other than the person it is waiting for. But I'm not sure. |
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kf |
testing right nw - I will let you all know :) |
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kf |
oh |
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kf |
no warning |
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jcamins |
Okay, maybe khall's patch (I'm pretty sure there was one) was to add the warning. |
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kf |
maybe |
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kf |
hm maybe it was because I picked an item that is not for loan? |
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kf |
I didn#t get my hold slip on return! |
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kf |
this is werid |
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khall |
I wrote a patch that will revert waiting holds if a waiting item is checked out to another borrower. That's the only one I can think of write now. |
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jcamins |
khall: that's the one I was thinking of. |
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jcamins |
khall: it didn't involve any warning? |
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kf |
ok... any idea why returning an item with a hold would not issue a slip? |
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khall |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8559 |
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huginn |
Bug 8559: normal, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , conflicting item statuses |
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khall |
kf: do you mean returning the item is not triggering the hold? |
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magnuse |
Bug 3792 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3792 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Checking out on-hold item to someone else replaces item-level hold with next available |
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kf |
ah good |
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kf |
it did trigger for an item that is actually allowed to put on hold |
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drojf |
mtompset: you should probably not take for granted that people on the main mailing list know what bug numbers mean and where to find info about them :) |
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mtompset |
Sorry, drojf. You are right. Well, if they ask, I'll explain. :) |
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mtompset |
Glad thing I didn't say how to use the rebuild_zebra_sliced. I just tried it and messed up my indexes on my test system. |
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drojf |
ouch |
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mtompset |
I'm sticking with the 6566 script... I like it, and it works. :) |
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kf |
I think the problem was something with superlibraian / not allowed to be on hold / older version |
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kf |
it gives a warning |
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kf |
when you don't do something you are not supposed to |
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kf |
bbl :) |
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libsysguy |
who is BigRig? |
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jcamins |
Someone with a problematic connection. |
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libsysguy |
but now im working out of a complicated merge of my work, DBIx work, and master |
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libsysguy |
it'd be nice if it were just my work and master :p |
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mtompset |
So the rabbit hole is the lag between now and 3.12? |
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tcohen |
hi paul_p |
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mtompset |
Greetings, tcohen. :) |
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tcohen |
hi mtompset |
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libsysguy |
yup |
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tcohen |
currently @home as this day is aholiday |
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mtompset |
It is in Canada too: Thanksgiving. :) |
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libsysguy |
what holiday is it there |
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tcohen |
respect to cultural diversity :-D |
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libsysguy |
that is a long name for a holiday :p |
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libsysguy |
im off for columbus day! |
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tcohen |
we changed the america's discovery |
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libsysguy |
but still working |
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tcohen |
into that, because as many (most of them) natives where killed upon discovery... |
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tcohen |
it is considered a genocide, and even when it is an important date for our develpment |
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libsysguy |
:'( |
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tcohen |
as countries.... |
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tcohen |
anyway... working on holidays :-D |
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tcohen |
about to revisit bug 8800 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour |
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libsysguy |
paul_p is a toughie :p |
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libsysguy |
jk much love paul_p |
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tcohen |
yes! |
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tcohen |
I agree with his comments |
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libsysguy |
i generally do too, unless it involves tabs |
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libsysguy |
then I just want to stab my editor :p |
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tcohen |
yeah, i need to fix my vim |
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tcohen |
config |
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mtompset |
So stop using emacs? ;) |
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* libsysguy |
glares at mtompset |
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libsysguy |
you don't just stop using emacs |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: he has a point. |
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libsysguy |
thats like saying you're going to stop your crack habit |
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* mtompset |
laughs. |
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libsysguy |
it just feels so good to use emacs you don't mind going back on every patch and typing M-x untabify |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: I would compare fixing tabs in Emacs to getting two piccolos to play in tune with each other. |
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mtompset |
I can never figure out which key in the meta key! |
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mtompset |
:P |
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libsysguy |
lol |
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mtompset |
Where's the ctrl-meta-meta-shift-alt what next?! |
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jcamins |
(for those who don't know the solution to the two-piccolo problem, it's "shoot one of them") |
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libsysguy |
you have to have octopus fingers |
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libsysguy |
and meta is always escape :p |
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libsysguy |
escape is so meta |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: unless you remap it to `qa1234vg5634. |
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libsysguy |
dood….not cool |
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libsysguy |
lesson here, don't remap meta |
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libsysguy |
unless you're remapping meta to meta in which case it really is meta |
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libsysguy |
just let that one sink in :p |
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* jcamins |
thinks if you're going to say something like that, you have to preface it with this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWf5Z98bdOM |
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mtompset |
But then how do you hit esc meta? |
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libsysguy |
esc esc esc esc |
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mtompset |
I'm positive when I was trying to learn emacs I needed to press that for something. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: you hit escape on both keyboards. |
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jcamins |
When you have a really complicated command, you use your third keyboard as well. |
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libsysguy |
esc x 3 quits the current operation in the mini buffer |
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jcamins |
The Emacs-Perl keyboard: nothing but punctuation and modifier keys. |
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libsysguy |
the perl keyboard has keys for map and grep as well |
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mtompset |
Command Mode and Edit Mode is so much simpler. |
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libsysguy |
also I feel like I need to be stoned to watch that video jcamins |
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mtompset |
Yes, that video is a tad strange. |
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libsysguy |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgk-lA12FBk |
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jcamins |
mtompset: more than "remap meta to meta, which is meta"? |
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libsysguy |
mtompset: ^^ |
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jcamins |
mtompset: also, you have the foot pedals for spare metas and escapes. |
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libsysguy |
heh |
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* mtompset |
laughs, "Definitely, jcamins." |
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libsysguy |
and now i am stuck on youtube movie clips |
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libsysguy |
shoot |
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* mtompset |
laughs. |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: you're welcome. |
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jcamins |
It's your day off! |
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libsysguy |
heh yeah but im working today so I can have friday off to go sign for our house :p |
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reiveune |
bye |
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libsysguy |
did we ever decide on a naming scheme for Koha releases? |
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jcamins |
Cookies? |
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wahanui |
Cookies are delicious delicacies |
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libsysguy |
was that it |
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libsysguy |
i have yet to see an official name |
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libsysguy |
is the first one chocolate chip? |
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jcamins |
No, we never agreed. |
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libsysguy |
damn |
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* jcamins |
thinks "3.10 Curried-coconut Oatmeal Chocolate Chip Koha" sounds good. |
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mtompset |
Yes but there are less cookies in the world than languages. |
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libsysguy |
that just makes me think about chocolate chip curry |
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libsysguy |
which sounds gross :p |
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mtompset |
Why not language group names? |
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libsysguy |
like swahili |
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jcamins |
mtompset: is that a challenge? |
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jcamins |
I think that was a challenge. |
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mtompset |
With ~6800 in the world, we won't run out. ;) |
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* jcamins |
shall invent 10k types of cookies. |
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libsysguy |
in other news jcamins apartment burns down due to cookie fire |
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jcamins |
Five every day for the next 5.5 years. |
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libsysguy |
word is he was trying to create a new kind of cooking |
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libsysguy |
cookie* |
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* mtompset |
laughs |
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mtompset |
"Sorry, but a naming convention is generally too limiting. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: how many versions of Koha do you expect there to be in the next 5.5 years? |
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jcamins |
I foresee 11. |
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jcamins |
At most. |
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mtompset |
I'm thinking LONGER term than that. ;) |
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jcamins |
So, probably fewer thanks to schedule slippage. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: but we can always invent more cookies! |
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libsysguy |
cait should be in charge of cookie naming |
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mtompset |
Two new cookie types per year? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: sure, why not? I'd do ten a day, if I had an army of dishwashers. :P |
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mtompset |
You're as attached to a cookie naming convention as libsysguy is addicted to emacs. ;) |
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jcamins |
mtompset: it just makes sense. |
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jcamins |
We want something that makes everyone instinctively want Koha. |
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libsysguy |
and there is only one thing more primal than cookies |
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jcamins |
Text editors? |
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libsysguy |
precisely |
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* jcamins |
thinks not. |
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libsysguy |
we could name it after dead library conventions |
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libsysguy |
like Koha "Card Catalog" |
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drojf |
koha marc. hopefully soon |
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libsysguy |
heh |
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* libsysguy |
wasn't going there |
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mtompset |
koha ed? |
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drojf |
+1 for cookies. also, let's really do that before koha 4 |
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libsysguy |
you're going to have to pry marc out of LC's cold dead fingers |
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mtompset |
koha edlin? |
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drojf |
koha version naming cookie name and recipe mamager |
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drojf |
manager even |
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mtompset |
before koha 4? |
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mtompset |
It would be nice to start then. |
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drojf |
mtompset: how do you mean language groups? like koha indo-european? that does not sound too attractive. |
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drojf |
yes, i mean have it fixed before we have a 4 |
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drojf |
so that we can start then ;) |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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mtompset |
no.... like koha tuwali ifugao |
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mtompset |
no.... like koha tagalog |
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mtompset |
koha canadian english |
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drojf |
if you provide a translation for each… :P |
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drojf |
i think the language of cookies is nicely international |
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mtompset |
Hmmm... chocolate chip in each language. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: Koha <picture of chocolate chip cookies> |
| 15:33 |
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mtompset |
koha <chocolate chip in maori, english, french, etc.> |
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mtompset |
Ah, so you would stylize the logo based on the cookie type? ;) |
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drojf |
jcamins: that's hard to pronounce |
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jcamins |
drojf: we'd provide translations for when talking. |
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drojf |
koha "Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Cream together the butter, white sugar, and brown sugar until smooth. Beat in the eggs one at a time, then stir in the vanilla. Dissolve baking soda in hot water. Add to batter along with salt. Stir in flour, chocolate chips, and nuts. Drop by large spoonfuls onto ungreased pans. Bake for about 10 minutes in the preheated oven, or until edges are nicely browned." |
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jcamins |
Yes! |
| 15:37 |
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jcamins |
Solve once and for all my problem of losing recipes. |
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drojf |
:) |
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jcamins |
Just look in the Koha about page, and there they are. |
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drojf |
we could also combine workshops and conferences with baking classes. "i will be speaking about the new koha version, please bring brutter, some eggs…" |
| 15:38 |
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mtompset |
Sounds like you are trying hijack Koha for your evil cooking desires. :P |
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drojf |
mtompset: you should try it sometime |
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jcamins |
Brilliant! |
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jcamins |
drojf++ |
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mtompset |
I should try hijacking Koha for my evil cooking desires?! |
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drojf |
you should try cooking |
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drojf |
and baking too |
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mtompset |
I'm not good at it... though I can prepare a decent turkey. |
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mtompset |
Going to do that tomorrow, since I was out of province for work today. |
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vfernandes |
hi... there is any way to merge two auhtorithies in the staff interface? |
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jcamins |
vfernandes: no. |
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jcamins |
There should be, but so far as I could find, there isn't. |
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vfernandes |
ok thanks jcamins |
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mtompset |
Well, I should sleep. |
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mtompset |
Good night. |
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* paul_p |
pushed only a few patches today, and QAed/failed QA many, after a long and intensive checking... |
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jcamins |
paul_p: isn't that the point of our QA process? :) |
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libsysguy |
nah the point of qa is question and answer not quality asurance :p |
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mveron |
Hi #koha |
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* mveron |
does not like IE - but fixed Bug 8885 anyway, because it affected Opac user experience... |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8885 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , OPAC with ccsr theme in IE9 |
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cait |
mveron++ :) ie++ |
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cait |
eek |
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cait |
ie-- |
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cait |
ie-- |
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cait |
making up for the typo |
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mveron |
:-) |
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mveron |
...but to be fair: IE did just it was told to do :-) |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Normalize records imported from Z39.50 servers. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4b2d0f9e10f58ca43> / Bug 8829: Fix authority importing <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3b67369a056569ba6> / Bug 8680 Z39.50 ISBN Search is problematic and there is a missing ISSN field. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #871 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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jcamins_away |
ms_access-- |
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jcamins_away |
ms_access-- |
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jcamins_away |
ms_access-- |
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jcamins_away |
@karma ms_access |
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huginn |
jcamins_away: Karma for "ms_access" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. |
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jcamins_away |
ms_access-- |
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jcamins_away |
@karma ms_access |
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huginn |
jcamins_away: Karma for "ms_access" has been increased 0 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -4. |
| 18:08 |
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jcamins_away |
Better. |
| 18:08 |
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cait |
what did it do? |
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jcamins_away |
cait: one of my clients has a catalog in MS Access. |
| 18:08 |
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cait |
i see |
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jcamins_away |
It turns out that it randomly deletes data when you try to print. |
| 18:08 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #871: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/871/ |
| 18:08 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Amit Gupta: Bug 5409 - Fix call number not shown on opac search result page |
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jenkins_koha |
* meenakshi.r: Bug 5409 - Call number is not show on Opac search result page. |
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jenkins_koha |
* meenakshi.r: Bug 5409 - Call number is not show on Opac search result page. |
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jenkins_koha |
* Paul Poulain: Bug 5409 follow-up DBRev number |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5409 normal, P5 - low, ---, meenakshi.r, Pushed to Master , Call number is not show on Opac search result page. |
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jenkins_koha |
* oleonard: Bug 6037 [Follow-up] Invalid markup, missing breadcrumbs on Keyword to MARC Mapping page |
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jenkins_koha |
* jbalway: Bug 8680 Z39.50 ISBN Search is problematic and there is a missing ISSN field. |
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jenkins_koha |
* jcamins: Bug 8829: Fix authority importing |
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jenkins_koha |
* frederick.capovilla: Normalize records imported from Z39.50 servers. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6037 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Invalid markup, missing breadcrumbs on Keyword to MARC Mapping page |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8680 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic in the Acquistions Module |
| 18:09 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8829 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , can't import authorities |
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rangi |
Morning |
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wahanui |
Morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast |
| 18:16 |
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cait |
morning rangi |
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rangi |
Well this is the least frozen feature freeze in the history of features freezes |
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* cait |
felt pretty frozen all day today |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0°C (8:00 PM CEST on October 08, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:23 |
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liw |
a spate of slush? |
| 18:26 |
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rangi |
Seems that way, tis a shame imho |
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rangi |
Ah well |
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rangi |
My stop bbiab |
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rangi |
back |
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* liw |
waves to Catalyst House |
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* cait |
waves to |
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cait |
:) |
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rangi |
any qa people about? |
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rangi |
bug 3652 could do with some qa |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , XSS vulnerabilities |
| 19:13 |
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libsysguy |
sorry rangi, not officially QA yet :p |
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rangi |
maybe mtj will see it :) |
| 19:13 |
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libsysguy |
may not be after signing off on 8800 |
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libsysguy |
lol |
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libsysguy |
I never checked the code, just to see if it worked |
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libsysguy |
and did |
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libsysguy |
rangi do you have any exp with dbix::class? |
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libsysguy |
or anybody around here really? |
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rangi |
http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]ixclass-and-koha/ |
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rangi |
stuff from 3 years ago |
| 19:15 |
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libsysguy |
heh I wonder if it matches my patch from now |
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libsysguy |
yup pretty much |
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libsysguy |
I was hoping to get some info on the update_or_create operation |
| 19:16 |
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cait |
bug 880 |
| 19:16 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=880 major, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED INVALID, Bugs on Cataloguing and Marc |
| 19:16 |
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cait |
bug 8800 |
| 19:16 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour |
| 19:16 |
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libsysguy |
why didn't you submit that rangi? |
| 19:18 |
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rangi |
was only a proof of concept, and nowhere near finished |
| 19:19 |
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libsysguy |
i guess mine isn't finished either but it lays out the idea in c4::Context |
| 19:19 |
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libsysguy |
so hopefully it will get adopted slowly :p |
| 19:20 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 19:29 |
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* drojf |
is not going to wear an oxygen ad on his team koha jersey :P |
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rangi |
heh |
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cait |
drojf: huh? :) |
| 19:31 |
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cait |
ok, i am missing part of the story :) |
| 19:32 |
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drojf |
cait: mailing list ;) |
| 19:32 |
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cait |
yep found it |
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cait |
bit slow tonight :) |
| 19:33 |
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libsysguy |
rangi http://youtu.be/AISjlp7mwvc |
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rangi |
:) |
| 19:35 |
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libsysguy |
my poor laptop speakers |
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rangi |
http://soundcloud.com/bobby-c-[…]v/im-in-yr-corner |
| 19:36 |
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libsysguy |
how do you always find the good stuff on sound cloud |
| 19:36 |
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rangi |
its a knack |
| 19:36 |
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drojf |
while i was walking through the city minding my own business, i was wondering how cool it would be if koha had the option to encrypt the emails it sends to the patrons if they have a public key available |
| 19:37 |
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drojf |
and if more than 5 people would ever use it |
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rangi |
oh, that would be totally doable drojf |
| 19:37 |
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rangi |
and id use it |
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rangi |
libsysguy: anything by bobby c sound is good |
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libsysguy |
so would all the academic libraries in the koha world |
| 19:38 |
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libsysguy |
anddd now im on the boots and cats |
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cait |
maybe not in all countries... even if they should |
| 19:38 |
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rangi |
who can go past laser cat funk |
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drojf |
never looked at koha's mail stuff, but i assume having some cmmand line gnupg magic before putting the email in the queue would do it? |
| 19:38 |
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rangi |
yup |
| 19:39 |
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libsysguy |
laser cats!!! |
| 19:39 |
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libsysguy |
my #1 search in koha |
| 19:39 |
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libsysguy |
across all libraries |
| 19:39 |
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rangi |
http://soundcloud.com/nerouk/wont-you-be-there <-- did i show you this one already? |
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libsysguy |
I don't think so |
| 19:40 |
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libsysguy |
I think I sould have remembered Nero |
| 19:40 |
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rangi |
the drop is pretty nice |
| 19:40 |
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libsysguy |
im waiting |
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libsysguy |
... |
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cait |
hm not sure, but maybe you would need to do somthing for the displays generated from the table |
| 19:41 |
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cait |
if you do it before entering there and not when sending out? |
| 19:41 |
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libsysguy |
you called it |
| 19:41 |
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libsysguy |
they have a knack for drops |
| 19:41 |
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rangi |
yup |
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rangi |
and the last one for today |
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rangi |
is one from charlie (aka ras stone) who is on the QA team here at catalyst |
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rangi |
http://soundcloud.com/madsicki[…]ub-terminator-ras |
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libsysguy |
I already like it |
| 19:42 |
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rangi |
he freestyled this, in one take |
| 19:43 |
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libsysguy |
it has a tech reggae feel |
| 19:43 |
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rangi |
yup |
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libsysguy |
that is crazy |
| 19:43 |
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libsysguy |
we just run at ByWater |
| 19:44 |
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libsysguy |
we definitely don't have a dub movement |
| 19:44 |
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libsysguy |
:p |
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rangi |
hehe |
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rangi |
mveron++ |
| 19:45 |
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rangi |
i should find time to start my koha radio station again, it lasted about 3 weeks last time |
| 19:45 |
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libsysguy |
I would listen |
| 19:45 |
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rangi |
if spotify didnt force me to use facebook for login |
| 19:46 |
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rangi |
id do playlists there |
| 19:46 |
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libsysguy |
and if mveron was the guy who did that track I demand he change is nick to dub_terminator :p |
| 19:46 |
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rangi |
heh no |
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cait |
lol |
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cait |
good night all :) |
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libsysguy |
night cait |
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drojf |
oh, missed cait because of a battle with a pomegranate |
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rangi |
hmmm |
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drojf |
not 100%, but i think its all her blood ;) |
| 20:01 |
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drojf |
100% sure |
| 20:03 |
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rangi |
check the source |
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rangi |
$(this).attr('href', $(this).attr('href') + '&query_desc=1,wrdl:%20%3Cblink%3Ewhoops%3C/blink%3E'); |
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rangi |
then |
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rangi |
$("#holdDetails").hide(); |
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rangi |
var query_desc = "1,wrdl: <blink>whoops</blink>"; |
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rangi |
i think we need to be sanitising the user input in the js too |
| 20:04 |
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jcamins_away |
Ooh, good catch. |
| 20:06 |
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rangi |
someone want to get a security credit adding a fix for that to bug 3652 will win you much respect |
| 20:06 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , XSS vulnerabilities |
| 20:06 |
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libsysguy |
hey I have a question about bug 7818 |
| 20:06 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records |
| 20:07 |
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libsysguy |
how does one have a legacy setting |
| 20:07 |
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libsysguy |
like if it were set to dom rather than grs1 |
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jcamins_away |
libsysguy: grs1 is deprecated. |
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jcamins_away |
If you mean, "how do I set it to GRS-1," you set it in koha-conf.xml. |
| 20:08 |
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libsysguy |
I'm actually wondering if this would hose the -x option on older installs |
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jcamins_away |
No. |
| 20:09 |
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libsysguy |
second question |
| 20:09 |
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wahanui |
well, second question is "What is the exact error message?" |
| 20:09 |
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libsysguy |
for a dev install on updates to koha-conf.xml |
| 20:09 |
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libsysguy |
would I have to manually copy that over? |
| 20:09 |
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jcamins_away |
They have to be done manually or by rerunning the installer. |
| 20:09 |
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libsysguy |
i see |
| 20:10 |
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libsysguy |
well ballocks |
| 20:11 |
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jcamins_away |
See my oft-repeated instruction to rerun the installer. |
| 20:11 |
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jcamins_away |
Jeez. Our git repo is absurd. |
| 20:11 |
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libsysguy |
heh you just now saw that |
| 20:11 |
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jcamins_away |
I'm so glad I haven't tried to clone it from the remote in years. |
| 20:12 |
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rangi |
what's absurd about it? |
| 20:12 |
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jcamins_away |
It's nearing 1GB. |
| 20:12 |
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rangi |
i cloned it yesterday |
| 20:12 |
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rangi |
hmm not for me |
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jcamins_away |
? |
| 20:12 |
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jcamins_away |
How can it be different sizes for different people. |
| 20:12 |
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rangi |
i have no idea but its not near 1gb for me |
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jcamins_away |
Okay, I guess I exaggerated. At 50% it had received 350MB. |
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jcamins_away |
So, 700MB. Which feels close to 1GB to me. |
| 20:13 |
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rangi |
its 13 years of commit history |
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rangi |
if you want less, just use --max-depth |
| 20:13 |
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jcamins_away |
Yeah, but it's doubled in size since I cloned two years ago. |
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* jcamins_away |
doesn't care so much... this is why he has a server with a fast connection. |
| 20:14 |
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libsysguy |
progress jcamins |
| 20:14 |
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libsysguy |
or wordy commit messages |
| 20:14 |
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libsysguy |
:p |
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rangi |
moving the po files out would slow it's growth |
| 20:15 |
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rangi |
but its mostly just the codebase is continually growing |
| 20:16 |
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rangi |
ping druthb about the po stuff, they could easily live in their own repo |
| 20:16 |
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* jcamins_away |
will do so. |
| 20:16 |
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rangi |
in fact, pootle can commit directly to git |
| 20:17 |
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drojf |
damn contributors writing code all day :P |
| 20:17 |
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rangi |
so it would be good to have them in a repo pootle could commit directly too |
| 20:17 |
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libsysguy |
^^ |
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jcamins_away |
Ooh. |
| 20:17 |
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* jcamins_away |
will confer with druthb. |
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rangi |
then the release script just needs to pull them into the tarball and packages |
| 20:17 |
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rangi |
or even better |
| 20:18 |
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rangi |
they have their own packages |
| 20:18 |
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libsysguy |
lang packs |
| 20:18 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 20:18 |
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libsysguy |
i like it |
| 20:18 |
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rangi |
magnuse and eythian have been working on it already |
| 20:18 |
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drojf |
cool. and less cryptic to set up |
| 20:18 |
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libsysguy |
have they been working on a plugin module too? |
| 20:18 |
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libsysguy |
I would like to work on something like that |
| 20:19 |
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libsysguy |
don't need serials, don't install it |
| 20:19 |
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rangi |
nope, but jcamins has written up a good skeletal idea on how to do that on the plugins bug |
| 20:19 |
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libsysguy |
is afraid of jcamins ideas |
| 20:19 |
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libsysguy |
the plugins bug would be a huge undertaking I think |
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rangi |
to do it properly yes |
| 20:20 |
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libsysguy |
and shaping the old code into plugins |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
thats a whole seperate project |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
with limited appeal for me ... |
| 20:21 |
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libsysguy |
heh |
| 20:21 |
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libsysguy |
uh oh |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
disk is cheap, having a syspref so you dont see serials seems adequate |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
but having plugins for new/experimental stuff |
| 20:21 |
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libsysguy |
well perhaps we could work it like drupal. You have drupal core that includes some modules |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
that can then move into core when its proved itself i like |
| 20:21 |
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libsysguy |
and you can still toggle them |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
I HATE DRUPAL |
| 20:22 |
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rangi |
with a passion |
| 20:22 |
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* libsysguy |
ducks |
| 20:22 |
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rangi |
we use it a lot here |
| 20:22 |
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libsysguy |
why do you hate it? |
| 20:22 |
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rangi |
core changes, everythign breaks |
| 20:22 |
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libsysguy |
well there is that |
| 20:22 |
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rangi |
its aspect related design |
| 20:22 |
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rangi |
plugins affect other plugins |
| 20:22 |
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rangi |
plugins can affect core |
| 20:22 |
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rangi |
its a mess |
| 20:22 |
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libsysguy |
core needs help right now |
| 20:23 |
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libsysguy |
im hoping they get it worked out in 8 |
| 20:23 |
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rangi |
and yes, no one works on core |
| 20:23 |
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rangi |
they are all off in their silo |
| 20:23 |
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libsysguy |
i want integrated views and panels |
| 20:23 |
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rangi |
working on their plugins |
| 20:23 |
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libsysguy |
yup |
| 20:23 |
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rangi |
lets never go there |
| 20:23 |
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rangi |
its a fragmented mess |
| 20:23 |
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libsysguy |
reminds me of the lion king |
| 20:23 |
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rangi |
that will collapse under its own weight sooner or later |
| 20:24 |
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libsysguy |
whats that dark place over there? That's Drupal Simba, you must never go there... |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 20:24 |
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libsysguy |
I hope it doesn't….I use it a lot :p |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
so do we |
| 20:24 |
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libsysguy |
its like a cash machine |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
we have a team of i think about 25 drupal developers |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
but its most definitely not a dev model id like to ever emulate |
| 20:25 |
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libsysguy |
plugins would be nice for companies so that they don't have to get every small feature pushed to get it to people |
| 20:25 |
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libsysguy |
they can just develop plugins and go |
| 20:25 |
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libsysguy |
and when it gets into core its depricated |
| 20:25 |
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rangi |
yep, and if the features are good they can submit them to core |
| 20:26 |
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rangi |
its that bit ... that bit never happens with drupal |
| 20:26 |
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rangi |
and you end up with 827937813 modules that do the same thing |
| 20:26 |
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rangi |
in slightly different ways |
| 20:26 |
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libsysguy |
that is true |
| 20:26 |
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libsysguy |
everybody has their own module with their own hooks |
| 20:26 |
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rangi |
so yeah, new feature, try it as a plugin .. if people like it, integrate it .. im all for that |
| 20:27 |
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* libsysguy |
hates drupal hooks |
| 20:27 |
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libsysguy |
wtf is that about |
| 20:29 |
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rangi |
the trouble with plugins of course, is security |
| 20:29 |
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rangi |
but that's soluble |
| 20:30 |
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drojf |
"but our plugin works for our clients already, we don't want to spend time and money on integrating it" … |
| 20:30 |
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rangi |
that's the other issue |
| 20:30 |
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rangi |
bust the api is the answer :) |
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* rangi |
gets all militant |
| 20:30 |
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drojf |
lol |
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rangi |
:) |
| 20:33 |
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rangi |
but no there are incentives to that |
| 20:33 |
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rangi |
and the smart companies will do the right thing |
| 20:34 |
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drojf |
a closed fork? :P |
| 20:35 |
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rangi |
i said smart :) |
| 20:35 |
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drojf |
:) |
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rangi |
speaking of that, i wonder where the TM is at |
| 20:35 |
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rangi |
might have to ping the lawyers |
| 20:36 |
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drojf |
haven't heard of that in a while |
| 20:36 |
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drojf |
would be cool to know |
| 20:36 |
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drojf |
i got ignored by the publisher that holds the german domain and does not do anything obvious with it. i guess they do not even read the webmaster emails |
| 20:37 |
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rangi |
problem is while its with the lawyers cant really talk about it |
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drojf |
yep. tell tehm to hurry, we wanna know ;) |
| 20:38 |
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drojf |
them |
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rangi |
:) |
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drojf |
meh. fire up a vm, forget what i wanted to do before it has booted |
| 20:46 |
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rangi |
heh |
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rangi |
go get a coffee |
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rangi |
thats what i do |
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rangi |
i always remember halfway to the coffee machine |
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drojf |
:) |
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drojf |
i should rather go to bed i guess. i will remember there and get up again … |
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rangi |
:) |
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rangi |
yeah that to, or a shower |
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drojf |
the good thing is, there is always something else that i forgot about earlier that i can do in that situation :) |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 20:54 |
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rangi |
you're awake late magnuse |
| 20:55 |
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magnuse |
rangi: that nice little piece of drupal-bashing reminded me of something i wanted to pick your brain about... |
| 20:55 |
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magnuse |
got an opinon on perl web frameworks? |
| 20:55 |
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magnuse |
like catalyst, dancer, mojolicious etc? |
| 20:55 |
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rangi |
i like dancer |
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rangi |
i like catalyst too |
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magnuse |
yeah, just about to turn in... |
| 20:55 |
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magnuse |
ah, you would like catalyst, wouldn't you ;-) |
| 20:55 |
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rangi |
dancer is easy, and has nice conventions |
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rangi |
its great for smallish, or prototypes, i think for something big i would use catalyst |
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* magnuse |
has read a book about catalyst, looked at mojolicious but not dancer |
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rangi |
mojolicious made my head hurt |
| 20:57 |
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rangi |
dashboard is dancer |
| 20:57 |
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magnuse |
the koha dashboard? |
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wahanui |
well, the koha dashboard is really great. Will it be linked in the list of Community ressources on http://koha-community.org/ ? And on the Wiki? |
| 20:57 |
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rangi |
https://gitorious.org/koha-das[…]oard/trees/master |
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rangi |
yep |
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rangi |
i whacked it up in a few hours |
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rangi |
dancer is good like that |
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magnuse |
cool! |
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magnuse |
any other perl frameworks worth considering? |
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* magnuse |
will hopefully be working on an ebook thingy, with a bit of SIP integration, an API etc soon |
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magnuse |
time to catch some sleep - i'll definitely check out dancer - thanks rangi |
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rangi |
cya later |
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Lars_G |
Hi all. |
| 22:00 |
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Lars_G |
Are there core devs in the channel? |
| 22:01 |
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rangi |
not many this time of the day, but some |
| 22:01 |
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rangi |
whats up? |
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wahanui |
well, up is the sky |
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rangi |
(koha doesn't really have the notion of core devs .. we have a release manager who has push access to the repo, and a qa team etc but the devs are all equal) |
| 22:03 |
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eythian |
hey, some of us are more equal than others, tyvm ;) |
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rangi |
heh |
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Lars_G |
Sorry I had to go to the kitchen, be back in a second |
| 22:08 |
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Lars_G |
I'm back |
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Lars_G |
Ok, here is the thing, I'm working on a small project (with a close by deadline) that will include a not too large Catalog and OPAC around a specific domain (Movies). I'm starting with a lighter version for the close deadline, and will expand, but I'm still debating about one fundamental design choice that will impact me in the future. |
| 22:10 |
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Lars_G |
It's not going to work with marc21 btw, though I will want to eventually be able to export via dublin core, and maybe even get Z39.50 to work. |
| 22:11 |
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Lars_G |
The fundamental decision I'm facing is for the item storage: single table (with semicolon separated data for {1..n} fields), RDBMS, or NoSQL (Document based DB) |
| 22:12 |
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Lars_G |
I'm watching the source on koha to try and get ideas, and it seems so far from what I see in the .sql schema Koha uses rdbms. I wonder if you've tried or pre-analyzed the approach, and what made you choose the current approach |
| 22:12 |
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Lars_G |
Btw, I also wanted to mention, last time I talked with their CIO, the largest Library in my country (Something similar to loc but in a smaller scale) was in the process of migrating mainframe aleph based systems into koha :) |
| 22:14 |
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rangi |
cool |
| 22:14 |
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eythian |
yeah, Koha uses tables for it's data. Things that are likely to be accessed frequently have their own columns, and then the MARC is stored alongside that. |
| 22:14 |
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Lars_G |
Right now I'm on the verge of completely discarding single table comma separated. Since data integrity seems more shoddy on that approach, at least initially. |
| 22:14 |
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rangi |
yep, we store the marc as marcxml |
| 22:14 |
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rangi |
we dont search it in the rdbms though, its searched via another indexing engine |
| 22:14 |
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eythian |
I think semicolon separated will bite you if you get records with that in it, then you'll have to escape and suddently processing and searching is hard. |
| 22:14 |
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Lars_G |
So, you generate marc and store it as marcxml in a text field. Hmm yes I feared as much |
| 22:14 |
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Lars_G |
eythian: Aye |
| 22:15 |
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rangi |
marc fields and subfields can repeat too |
| 22:15 |
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Lars_G |
I think I wont use that approach either (yours) first, I'm not using Marc :) and I do not have to deal with such a strict structure, right now, and I've used xml on db fields before, I have no time to implement a good external search engine. And xml on tables has bit me in the ass before. |
| 22:15 |
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Lars_G |
nod |
| 22:16 |
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eythian |
for something quickly, a document store type system might well work well. |
| 22:16 |
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Lars_G |
Right now my main balance of pro's is: rdbms: Faster to code right now. Document db: cleaner entries, easier to expand in the future, easier to fulltext index and search. |
| 22:17 |
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Lars_G |
hmm |
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eythian |
they also tend to have flexible schemas, so you won't have to worry about making all your schema decisions up front. |
| 22:17 |
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Lars_G |
yes that's the main attractive to it. |
| 22:18 |
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Lars_G |
Though any librarian might cringe at the idea of a free schema. |
| 22:18 |
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Lars_G |
Not that we've even sat to discuss possible lexical ruleset yet even. |
| 22:19 |
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eythian |
well, _you_ can enforce schema rules :) |
| 22:19 |
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Lars_G |
yes, and I will. |
| 22:20 |
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Lars_G |
Thanks for your feedback |
| 22:20 |
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eythian |
np |
| 22:21 |
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Lars_G |
Btw, does any of you professes to follow any social or political ideology? |
| 22:22 |
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eythian |
I'm sure some people do, but not generally. |
| 22:22 |
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rangi |
apart from thinking proprietary software is unethical? |
| 22:22 |
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Lars_G |
rangi: perfect |
| 22:22 |
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rangi |
yeah, there's not a general one |
| 22:22 |
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rangi |
only some of us believe that, as in any community there are differing opinions |
| 22:22 |
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Lars_G |
rangi: I'm working (my main work nothing that has to do with this project), with a person who helped introduce cepal into my country |
| 22:23 |
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Lars_G |
cepal is a close equivalent to marc, developed by a multinational development geared NGO of the same name. |
| 22:23 |
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eythian |
wahanui: standards |
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wahanui |
standards are what you use to hold up a fence. |
| 22:24 |
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Lars_G |
I spoke with her shortly one day, now that I'm getting into bibliotecology and liking it, and she told me she did so because MARC was a monopoly, an expensive privative monopoly. |
| 22:24 |
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eythian |
no wahanui, standards is <reply>the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from! |
| 22:24 |
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eythian |
no wahanui, standards is <reply>the great thing about standards \is that there are so many to choose from! |
| 22:24 |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, eythian. |
| 22:24 |
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eythian |
wahanui: standards |
| 22:24 |
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wahanui |
the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from! |
| 22:24 |
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Lars_G |
I wondered, do you think there's anything intrinsical to marc (tehcnologically, license wise, etc) that lends to expensive or propietary solutions? or was it just a de-facto reality at the time? |
| 22:25 |
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Lars_G |
eythian: My dad's phrase is "The good thing about standards is that there's so many of them" |
| 22:25 |
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eythian |
no. MARC is technically appropriate for the era that it comes from. |
| 22:26 |
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Lars_G |
From what I've seen of the original Marc21 binary structure, it can make it tedious to work with, but I've labeled that as an artifact of the technology available at the era of development |
| 22:26 |
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Lars_G |
aha |
| 22:26 |
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eythian |
yeah, it's ideal for seeking on tape, and is quite compact. |
| 22:26 |
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eythian |
however it contains no semantics or anything like that. |
| 22:27 |
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Lars_G |
eythian: And beyound the ideological, into the technical, do you think Marc has still value today? or it has more value as a tool for working with legacy data, and we should focus more in more "modern" and dynamic standards like dublin core? |
| 22:27 |
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jcamins_away |
Bahahaha. |
| 22:27 |
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Lars_G |
eythian: That's a double edged sword.... |
| 22:27 |
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jcamins_away |
MARC ideal for anything. |
| 22:27 |
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eythian |
wahanui: marc |
| 22:27 |
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wahanui |
The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here. |
| 22:28 |
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eythian |
wahanui: marc must die |
| 22:28 |
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wahanui |
eythian: sorry... |
| 22:28 |
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eythian |
wahanui: marc must die is <reply>http://marc-must-die.info/ |
| 22:28 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 22:28 |
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Lars_G |
eythian: Defining semantics on the std would be good for data integrity and exchangeability... but on the other hand defining semantics on the std could also cause compatibility troubles in scenarios different to the group that designed it, plus there are some semantics that are hard to enforce programatically even today |
| 22:29 |
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eythian |
if you don't define semantics, you get marc21, unimarc, nomarc and so on that are often not interchangable, so having it as a standard becomes pointless. |
| 22:29 |
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Lars_G |
So you don't gain THAT much with predefined semantics |
| 22:29 |
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rangi |
the reason people use MARC still, is that there are millions perhaps billions of items catalogued in it, that's the only reason i can see for using it, copy cataloguing and that is a hard thing to move away from |
| 22:29 |
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Lars_G |
rangi: aye |
| 22:30 |
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Lars_G |
eythian: I think a better solution... brb |
| 22:30 |
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eythian |
RDA? |
| 22:30 |
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wahanui |
i heard RDA was a room in a twisty maze of standards |
| 22:30 |
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Lars_G |
A better solution is to define protocol rules, like dublin core, and then define semantics by law, either by country, or by union/area |
| 22:32 |
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eythian |
then you have MARC with a slightly nicer representation, but no compatibility. |
| 22:33 |
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Lars_G |
Then what? you can't make a "catch-all" semantically defined std, otherwise you get something like Microsoft's XML office format, but twice the size. |
| 22:33 |
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Lars_G |
you'd need a truck of paper to document the format, you end up with H.323 all over again |
| 22:34 |
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eythian |
I dunno, I haven't tried to develop something better :) |
| 22:34 |
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Lars_G |
The trouble is, we're dealing with human readable data here. We can't reduce it to a small set of studied cases. |
| 22:35 |
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Lars_G |
On one hand the diversity and nuances are overwhelming, on the other hand, it's evolving, but as archivists, we need to store both the older and the newer concepts in the same place |
| 22:35 |
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Lars_G |
Anyhow, I have to go glue a screen before one of my cats kills itself or my spouse kills me. bbl |
| 22:35 |
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Lars_G |
and thanks again |
| 22:35 |
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eythian |
later :) |
| 22:35 |
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rangi |
cya later |
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dcook |
Morning, #koha |
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rangi |
hiya dcook |
| 22:51 |
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dcook |
hey rangi |
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dcook |
How're things? |
| 22:51 |
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rangi |
fighting with self check machines, but other than that fine |
| 22:54 |
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dcook |
Sounds exciting. Are they self check-outs or are the machines rising up in NZ? |
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rangi |
self check out |
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rangi |
im fairly sure they are possessed |
| 22:54 |
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dcook |
I'd be cranky if I were a self check out too |
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dcook |
I wish you luck :) |
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rangi |
thanks |
| 22:59 |
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dcook |
Quick question about asking questions |
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rangi |
heh yes? |
| 23:00 |
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dcook |
I'm trying to figure out why basket.js has a reference to "parent" in a couple of functions. Typically, I would ask that here in the IRC channel, but is that the kind of thing that would be better suited to the listserv? |
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rangi |
depends on who is here in the channel |
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dcook |
(I guess I hid the actual question in there anyway :P) |
| 23:01 |
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rangi |
and if you think its something others would like to know the answer too |
| 23:01 |
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rangi |
probably koha-devel for that |
| 23:01 |
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rangi |
you are more likely to catch someone who knows |
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dcook |
Very reasonable answer, as always. Thanks :) |
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