Time  Nick         Message
10:19 * magnuse    wanders off
10:11 mtompset     /o\
10:09 magnuse      \o/
10:09 cait         hi magnuse :)
10:08 mtompset     greetings, matts.
10:08 mtompset     Greetings, magnuse.
10:08 magnuse      hiya drojf and matts and cait and mtompset
10:07 drojf        hei magnuse
10:04 magnuse      kia ora #koha
10:01 cait         :)
09:59 drojf        hi cait
09:59 drojf        heh. just from too little sleep, not the chili :)
09:59 cait         hi drojf
09:59 cait         chris_n++ indeed
09:58 mtompset     So burn your eyes further, drojf?
09:54 drojf        hi mtompset
09:52 mtompset     greetings, drojf.
09:50 drojf        good day #koha
09:50 drojf        chris_n++
09:37 mtompset     Hmmm... osslabs is a paid support provider for koha, but they have a 3.2 koha live cd.
09:20 sidd         i'll be back...mwah ha ha ha... :)
09:20 sidd         looks good. will read his articles and see if they help me.
09:18 mtompset     I see he has linked to a lot of videos from one official Koha Service Provider.
09:17 sidd         mtompset: hmmm...will do that.
09:17 mtompset     Perhaps he links to a useful video or such.
09:17 sidd         mtompset: I know. I am an active member of the fedora chat room at freenode.
09:17 mtompset     sidd: You might want to check out VKV's blog site.
09:16 mtompset     Remember this is all help provided for free.
09:16 sidd         cait: is there a step by step guide (say how-tos) for common things done in koha?
09:16 mtompset     If you email the koha mailing list, you have more chance of getting a response. Just don't expect answers immediately.
09:16 sidd         mtompset: no, haven't. will they be patient enough ;) :)
09:15 sidd         mtompset: data entry is ok, for around 2500 books, i can import it from my existing xls sheets
09:15 mtompset     Have you subscribed to the koha mailing list?
09:15 sidd         these are some of the questions I need answers for. Will this be the right place to aks them?
09:15 mtompset     If you just want to grab the biblio records from some other z39.50 server to do quick data entry, I don't think you need to have to understand it much.
09:14 sidd         and how should I create the item. Item creation shows framework that is marc 21 all through :(
09:14 * mtompset   nods.
09:14 cait         it dpeends on your materials and what you want to do
09:14 cait         sidd: you can get along without very deep knowledge of the standard
09:14 sidd         so if I want to give only one out of the set, can I do that?
09:14 sidd         and I have movies with 2-3 cds each (INdian movies are traditionally 3 hours....)
09:13 sidd         i mean i have a small library and had never heard of marc 21 till a few weeks back
09:13 sidd         but good to know help is close :) is marc21 knowledge very important for koha?
09:12 mtompset     We're hoping to have the LiveCD in a debian-based OS, so that it installs to the hard drive as if you did the packages installation.
09:12 sidd         yes, rpms make it easier i guess
09:12 mtompset     given that we have packages, which you have installed for debian-based OSes like Ubuntu and others...
09:11 sidd         mtompset: live CDs are pretty easy in fedora. or atleast were till fedora core 1
09:11 mtompset     hopefully he'll have found a good process before the time 3.10.0 comes out.
09:10 sidd         great.
09:10 mtompset     And he is working on getting a newer live CD created.
09:10 mtompset     He's been posting on our mailing lists.
09:10 mtompset     Yes.
09:10 sidd         vimal kumar v - he's creatd a live CD on ubuntu
09:09 sidd         mtompset: oh, I just found your VKV :)
09:09 sidd         www.osslabs.biz/koha/livecd
09:09 mtompset     ah.
09:09 sidd         it was there on the web somewhere. and google shows it in the first page :(
09:08 mtompset     (the seriously out of date one)
09:08 mtompset     sidd: Where did you get that livecd from?
09:08 sidd         mtompset: I understand. We do have long names when we do have them :0
09:07 mtompset     That's why I used the initials.
09:07 mtompset     Vimal ... Sorry, he has a long name.
09:07 sidd         mtompset: no, don't think I am
09:07 sidd         and the manual is already here? that is so non-standard for the s/w world ;)
09:06 mtompset     sidd: You aren't VKV are you?
09:06 cait         3.8 is the current stable version, 3.10 will be the next release
09:06 mtompset     3.10 will be released in November.
09:06 sidd         am from India
09:06 sidd         is that later?
09:06 sidd         :) the manual also talks about 3.10
09:06 cait         sidd: where are you from? :)
09:06 mtompset     sidd++ # reading manual and wiki pages! :)
09:05 sidd         was the first thing i did
09:05 sidd         mtompset: oh I already have it :)
09:05 sidd         brb
09:05 mtompset     But you might want to save the manual URL. ;)
09:05 sidd         will go ahead from there.
09:05 sidd         cait: thanks
09:04 mtompset     I'm just a Ubuntu developer. :)
09:04 cait         sidd: as far as I know only search groups are functional right now and that is only interesting if you have a lot of branches and want to add some extra search functionality - and it can be always done later
09:04 mtompset     That's more of cait's expertise than mine.
09:04 cait         sidd: no, you don't have to :)
09:03 wahanui      manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
09:03 mtompset     manual?
09:03 mtompset     manuals?
09:03 sidd         mtompset: yes
09:03 mtompset     Is that what you are reading?
09:03 wahanui      newbie guide is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide
09:03 mtompset     newbie guide?
09:02 sidd         mtompset: ih, am back :) i just created a library and I see there is concept of group here. Do I need to create it? The newbie guide doesn't talk about it.
09:02 mtompset     That would be expected. And all is indexed.
09:02 cait         ah
09:01 mtompset     Larger than a previous backup.
09:01 cait         larger now than before?
09:01 mtompset     statistics is larger, so I'm assuming all is well for that.
09:00 mtompset     I'm confirming everything is indexed right now.
08:59 mtompset     I'm pretty sure there is a cronjob that cleans up old sessions.
08:59 mtompset     I confirmed 27 checkins for the issues tables.
08:59 mtompset     but since action_logs, import_biblios, and import_records are bigger on the current db. I'm going to assume all is well.
08:58 mtompset     action_logs, import_biblios, import_records, issues, old_issues, sessions, statistics, and zebraqueue differed.
08:57 mtompset     Just wrote a script to do record counts on restored backups instead of doing a file diff on a mysqldump.
08:56 mtompset     Our server almost experienced a magnificent failure due to lack of drive space the other day. I'm just confirming the backups look good.
08:53 mtompset     Okay, that's what I was thinking.
08:53 cait         you trunating zebraqueue is fine, but you might want to do a complete reindex if you are not sure they were all done by the time you did that
08:53 cait         ?
08:51 mtompset     nothing bad would happen if zebraqueue records went missing, right?
08:51 cait         yes
08:51 mtompset     Okay, you still here, cait?
08:50 mtompset     (27 check in s)
08:48 mtompset     issues1+old_issues1 = issues2+old_issues2
08:48 mtompset     YAY! The backup is good...
08:45 mtompset     I think the packages instructions are good. :)
08:45 * mtompset   is happy, "2 people followed without too much difficulty. 1 person confused."
08:44 sidd         bye for now!!!
08:43 mtompset     Glad to help. :)
08:43 mtompset     hopefully no road blocks.
08:42 sidd         thanks :) will now work on this one and be back as soon as i hit another roadblock ;)
08:42 mtompset     maybe three.
08:42 mtompset     2 maybe there commands... (ignore the 3.4.x stuff)
08:42 mtompset     see how easy upgrading will be. :)
08:42 mtompset     Scroll down to the bottom....
08:42 mtompset     And because you installed from packages...
08:41 mtompset     Congratulations on your brand new version. :)
08:41 mtompset     Yes, very old version.
08:41 sidd         3.01..yes
08:41 mtompset     Oh... 3.0.999 or something?
08:40 sidd         infact had a live cd installatoin till yesterday when rangi told me it was too old and not really a good choice :)
08:40 sidd         :) not expected from myself...overconfidence. else i'd have read the documentation again and realised it :
08:40 mtompset     YAY! :)
08:39 mtompset     A simple mistake. :)
08:39 mtompset     Okay... good...
08:39 sidd         thanks
08:39 sidd         yes
08:39 sidd         mtompset: i don't think i needed that
08:39 mtompset     What you typed in was correct.
08:39 mtompset     Oh... you were just using the wrong name.
08:38 mtompset     Did you fix the apache file too?
08:38 mtompset     Okay... wait a second.
08:37 sidd         mtompset: yes, my bad. had the wrong name. changed it in the etc hosts file and it worked like a charm :)
08:37 mtompset     Okay... so did you get the name you were expecting, sidd?
08:37 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , No uninstall script
08:36 wahanui      well, mtompset is working on the ultimate koha uninstall script for fun. Bug 459. Old school, baby!
08:36 sidd         hey mtompset.
08:36 mtompset     Sorry, bad internet.
08:36 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
08:33 sidd         you have mentioned that i have a few things messed up in my config. anything else i need to correct?
08:32 sidd         mtompset: sorry, got a call. yes, nfal-intra works. thanks. somehow i got it in my head i had to use the machine's hostname
08:32 mtompset     So, if my issues and old_issues tables are messed up... I've lost checkout and checkin information.
08:31 mtompset     So I could add some of rangi's words of wisdom. ;)
08:31 mtompset     As for the quote... I was trying to remember the syntax.
08:30 mtompset     He said he'd check, but I haven't heard back from sidd yet.
08:30 mtompset     turns out he got a couple things messed up in the configuration set up, but it should be easily fixed... once we know what he is expecting as the fully qualified domain name.
08:29 mtompset     sidd was just trying to do an ubuntu 12.04 packages install, and got stuck on the web install step part.
08:28 huginn       mtompset: The operation succeeded.  Quote #218 added.
08:28 mtompset     @quote add "rangi: ... graciousness never ever hurts."
08:28 huginn       mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
08:28 mtompset     @quote add "rangi: ... graciousness never ever hurts."
08:27 cait         mtompset: ?
08:27 huginn       mtompset: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
08:27 mtompset     @quote get 123
08:26 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn.
08:26 huginn       mtompset: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
08:26 mtompset     @get quote 123
08:25 mtompset     sidd: Did I lose you?
08:25 mtompset     [off] I think a paragraph break or two might be in order on that.
08:20 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  You must help me now! http://t.co/6WgX7ijp"
08:19 cait         so both are veryimportant tables
08:19 cait         the information ismoved to old_issues
08:19 cait         when a book is returned
08:19 cait         issues has the checked out books
08:18 mtompset     cait: Do you know how the issues and old_issues tables are used?
08:17 cait         hi mtompset
08:17 mtompset     greetings, cait.
08:13 mtompset     Yes, because it doesn't know that, it just went to the first definition of port 80 which is the OPAC.
08:13 sidd         let me check
08:13 sidd         i tried accessing it using koha.cameo.com. I think that was my mistake
08:11 mtompset     Oh, so then what are you expecting it to be?
08:11 sidd         ummm, no :(
08:10 mtompset     [off] and the staff client at: nfal-intra.cameo.com?
08:09 mtompset     [off] so you are expecting your site to be: nfal.cameo.com?
08:08 mtompset     okay...
08:08 sidd         i typed "koha-create --create-db nfal"
08:08 mtompset     that's fine... what did you type?
08:08 sidd         yes, though i skipped sudo as I am root
08:07 mtompset     what did you type?
08:07 mtompset     you typed a sudo koha-create command
08:07 mtompset     (forgive the spelling)
08:07 mtompset     in the intance creation step
08:07 mtompset     -- wait...
08:07 sidd         my etc hosts file?
08:06 mtompset     next...
08:06 mtompset     okay.
08:06 sidd         done :)
08:06 pastebot     "sidd" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my koha-sites.conf file" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/220
08:05 mtompset     make sure to set the channel to #koha and your nick and a description too. :)
08:04 sidd         ok
08:04 mtompset     Please paste it at the url that wahanui just gave.
08:04 sidd         i created the file, and did not change anything except the domain name
08:04 wahanui      paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
08:04 mtompset     paste?
08:04 mtompset     You created a /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf file.
08:03 mtompset     In the initial configuration step for the pre-web install.
08:03 sidd         :)
08:03 mtompset     Looking up information here.... so we're on the same page, literally. :)
08:02 sidd         okay
08:02 mtompset     Let's backtrack a little.
08:02 mtompset     okay.
08:02 sidd         and it is the maintenance page for the opac
08:02 sidd         just that the admin page doesn't appear. whether i give koha.abc.com or koha-intra.abc.com or koha-intra.abc.com:80, the same page appears.
08:01 mtompset     how are you trying to access your staff client/administrative page?
08:01 mtompset     So, the question is...
08:01 mtompset     good start.
08:01 mtompset     Okay...
08:01 sidd         i followed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages step by step
08:00 sidd         yes 12.04
08:00 mtompset     follow?
08:00 mtompset     And how did you install, what instructions did you fo
08:00 mtompset     12.04
08:00 sidd         i think 12.01 something
07:59 sidd         hi, was reading the documentation
07:54 mtompset     sidd: are you still here?
07:52 mtompset     sidd... you did an install on Ubuntu. Which version of ubuntu? How did you install it?
07:51 mtompset     But let's see if I can help.
07:51 mtompset     It is Sunday afternoon for me, so you aren't going to find many people here on the weekend.
07:46 sidd         anyone there?
07:42 sidd         hi, i just installed koha on ubuntu but am unable to see the admin page
07:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8175 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , items.materials check logs error or displays incorrectly in details.pl
07:16 mtompset     Never mind... bug 8175 hasn't passed QA yet.
07:13 mtompset     for version?
07:12 rangi        not too bad, caught up on patches to push
07:12 mtompset     How's your weekend going, rangi?
07:08 rangi        cool, enough said then :)
07:05 mtompset     I understand your drift.
07:04 rangi        (words like dense etc)
07:04 mtompset     Yes.
07:04 rangi        nope, but either way, id appreciate it if we laid off the insults
06:58 mtompset     Has Paul (a?) ever come to the IRC channel?
06:53 magnuse      yeah chris_n++
06:51 wahanui      magnuse: I forgot hehe
06:51 magnuse      wahanui: forget hehe
06:50 wahanui      hmmm... hehe is np
06:50 magnuse      hehe?
06:50 mtompset     I'm glad I decided to come to the channel before hitting send.
06:50 mtompset     Greetings, magnuse and rangi.
06:49 magnuse      kia ora rangi!
06:44 rangi        hi magnuse
06:43 * magnuse    waves
06:11 mtompset     Even I recanted of my do it from tarball ways, when I discovered the ease of packages.
06:02 mtompset     I guess I won't email things like, "What knowledge? You ask for help and do the opposite. You aren't open to learning, and continue to ask for more help after doing it the opposite way. That doesn't seem like knowledge. That seems like foolishness."
06:00 mtompset     chris_n++ # the reply was diplomatic. So much so that dense paul.a will never clue in.
05:49 mtompset     I suppose jcamins_away's message is probably an answer to my question.
05:48 mtompset     Anyone around?
05:48 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
05:14 rangi        chris_n++
05:14 rangi        Yep that was very well written
03:43 Oak          mtj++
03:39 jcamins_away chris_n++ # he made that sound so diplomatic
02:38 rangi        back
02:21 rangi        [off] the idea has merit
01:18 drojf        [off] going through the emails over time is hilarious. i'm tempted to put them all together to get a page count, also a score of "i need free help" vs. "let me try to help you" (vs. "blah"). maybe editing a complete editon and an anthology would be appropriate.
00:47 drojf        oooh i'm missing the troll fun
00:26 rangi        And now I'm really gone
00:25 rangi        I shoulda said patches or cheques accepted
00:24 rangi        2012 the year of ridiculous demands of free software developers
00:23 rangi        Hehe yeah he totally will answer something like that
00:11 mtj          ah, he's gone… :/
00:11 mtj          hmmm, with the greatest of respect sir, i was merely stating that i thought ….