IRC log for #koha, 2012-09-25

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00:01 * mtompset groans.
00:01 mtompset I have to reindex now, don't I?
00:10 eythian no?
00:10 eythian I only reindex everything when I change stuff in the database.
00:10 eythian sometimes after a major upgrade
00:12 mtompset There were zebra indexing files updated.
00:13 eythian oh right. In that case, you can. Up to you, I wouldn't consider it urgent unless things aren't working right in your test env.
00:15 eythian <-- that surely is a pretty OPAC
00:17 eythian @later tell cait so after getting me to proofread your newsletter submission, and my only change being the addition of a comma, you didn't include my comma. How mean! ;)
00:17 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
00:18 mtompset perhaps the comma got removed by a third party. ;)
00:19 mtompset that is a pretty OPAC.
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02:01 Brooke_ kia ora :D
02:01 eythian mtj: --^
02:02 rangi Brooke_: jo is by me now, she says "can you get an earlier flight?"
02:05 rangi ill take that as a no
02:06 eythian either that or she's just left :)
02:09 tcohen what  a nice OPAc eythian
02:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #186 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:15 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
02:21 mtompset eythian: You think someone has a bias? ;)
02:38 eythian mtompset: no, it was just relating to a conversation we were having yesterday.
02:39 mtompset Ah, okay. That clarifies that.
02:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #186: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/186/
02:51 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 4173 - Statuses not appearing in the OPAC
02:51 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 4173: Followup: put the lib into a variable
02:51 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 4173: Followup: Document KohaAuthorisedValues plugin
02:51 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8629: update of statistics fields on fund selection in order creation/edition
02:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4173 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Statuses not appearing in the OPAC
02:51 jenkins_koha * dcook: Bug 8764 - Template change "Authors" to "Additional authors" in OPAC
02:51 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8617 - Problem with display of comments waiting for moderation in OPAC
02:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8629 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , update of statistics fields on fund selection in order creation/edition
02:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8764 trivial, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Template change "Authors" to "Additional authors" in OPAC
02:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8617 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Problem with display of comments waiting for moderation in OPAC
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02:57 Waylon hey all
03:01 * eythian has his noise cancelling headphones back in operation. That is hugely better.
03:08 Waylon hmm.. how do i use git blame? how do i search commits for the first commit of a concept?
03:09 * Waylon wants to find the guy who created SearchMyLibraryFirst ... to understand what they wanted to do with it.
03:09 eythian Waylon: it's not terribly easy.
03:09 eythian although, it is possible
03:09 eythian but you have to do it manually
03:10 eythian you can blame up to a particular revision, so work your ay backwards
03:10 Waylon so.. how do i do it?
03:10 eythian I dunno, I'd look in the manual. I've never actually done it.
03:11 eythian hmm, --reverse _might_ be useful.
03:26 Waylon okay, how do i get the fulltext of every patch done to a file, all at once, in order to grep it?
03:27 eythian uhm, are you sure that's what you want?
03:27 eythian (also, I don't know, but perhaps git show can do something like that.)
03:27 Waylon nevermind.
03:28 Waylon git log + vim works.
03:28 Waylon bug 3244
03:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3244 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, initial support for multiple OPACs for libraries sharing a single Koha database
03:28 Waylon hum... sounds like what im doing.
03:30 Waylon gmcharlt still about?
03:30 Waylon ah yes.
03:30 Waylon hi gmcharlt ?
03:32 Waylon hmm... the patch/bug looks like it was on the right track. but still only handled single branches.
03:32 Waylon and didn't enforce the security either.
03:43 Waylon hmm... decisions decisions.
03:45 Waylon ..... I don't believe SearchMyLibraryFirst goes far enough, so If SearchMyLibrariesLimit is set, SearchMyLibrariesFirst is ignored, no matter what its set to. Its a much stricter security.
03:46 Waylon hiya rangi?
03:47 Waylon guess hes not logged in from the con.
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04:50 harit i need some help with koha installation
04:51 harit i am getting a gpg error when i update ubuntu
04:51 harit after echo deb squeeze main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list
04:57 eythian http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/038057.html <-- harit
05:00 harit still it says key expired
05:00 eythian let me test...
05:02 eythian ah, odd. I had someone test that when I updated it, and they said it worked. I guess not.
05:02 eythian One moment.
05:03 harit please
05:04 eythian oh, I know what happened
05:04 eythian when I updated the repo earlier, it overwrote the key with the old one
05:04 eythian try it again now.
05:04 harit ok just a sec
05:05 harit its good now
05:05 harit thanks a ton
05:05 eythian no worries
05:06 harit are you going to be here for a while, i am a new to koha
05:06 harit ill post if i do have some problem installing it
05:06 eythian not much longer, it's 5pm and I have a headache.
05:06 harit oh sorry
05:06 eythian but other people may be around
05:06 harit oh k , thanks for your kind help
05:11 mtompset It worked for me.
05:11 mtompset oh, nevermind... late to the conversation. :)
05:12 eythian yes, you'd hit the sweet spot in between me fixing it and then unfixing it again
05:12 eythian <-- concentrated wrong
05:14 harit oh , is it ok now
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05:25 harit ./misc/
05:26 harit that gave out "no such file or directory"
05:26 harit any help ??
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05:31 harit ./misc/
05:31 harit that gave out  " no such file or directory "
05:31 eythian why are you doing that?
05:31 harit i was just following the instructions on the webpage
05:32 harit just to make sure nothing is wrong with the sax parser
05:32 eythian which webpage?
05:32 harit[…]stallation_Method
05:33 eythian oh. the instructions are wrong there.
05:33 eythian lemme check
05:33 harit oh god.
05:33 harit please
05:34 eythian try using '/usr/share/koha/bin/' instead of the command there
05:34 eythian I'm not even sure that step is necessary any more, but it can't hurt.
05:35 harit it says koha wants something like
05:35 harit as shown in the previous page ive sent you
05:36 eythian yes
05:36 harit you have XML:SAX::Expat=HASH()
05:37 eythian so follow the instructions from there, they tell you what to do
05:37 harit alright, can i trust that page.
05:37 harit you said they are wrong ??
05:37 eythian Well, that bit was wrong.
05:38 eythian I fixed it.
05:38 harit oh k
05:38 harit excellent
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05:46 harit its a little confusing, should i erase [XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser]
05:46 harit and put it next to Expat in the file ?
05:46 harit I mean after [XML::SAX::Expat]
05:48 Oak Ahoy me hearties!
05:48 Oak hello mtompset
05:48 eythian harit: you should move those lines to the bottom of the file
05:48 mtompset Oak! Long time no chat.
05:48 eythian harit: or ask mtompset, he wrote the instructions :)
05:49 * eythian leaves work
05:49 * mtompset laughs.
05:49 mtompset What instructions?
05:49 wahanui instructions are coming right now to the wiki near you
05:49 mtompset I have worked on the ubuntu instructions, yes.
05:50 harit mtompset : I was confused by the Parserdetails editing
05:51 mtompset It would be better to look at the packages page for Debian at this point in time.
05:51 mtompset you'll notice they don't have that.
05:51 harit can you please provide me a link
05:51 harit ?
05:51 mtompset It's at the top of the instructions.
05:52 mtompset[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
05:52 Oak mtompset, well yes. :)
05:53 mtompset Yes, well, I just split the instructions from a giant wall of text covering all types of installs this morning.
05:54 mtompset This is why the instructions are "in transition".
05:54 mtompset[…]QL_Security_Tweak
05:55 mtompset Though you will want to do this.
05:58 mtompset If you are using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, there are no missing dependencies.
05:58 mtompset So, there's no need to go looking for anything missing.
06:05 harit when i modified the Parserdetails.ini when trying to save it says "Cant open file for writing"
06:06 harit mtompset can you help ?
06:06 mtompset sudo vi ...
06:07 harit oh k thank you
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06:22 francharb hello
06:24 mtj hey francharbzZ
06:25 mtj mtompset, i see your wiki stuff - looks good :)
06:25 mtompset I'm cleaning up the packages instructions, since we had our first confusion. :(
06:27 mtompset I think I have it cleaned up...
06:27 mtompset Going to test myself right now.
06:30 mtj mtompset, have you thought about improving the tarball install process, via a cpanfile?
06:30 mtompset cpanfile?
06:30 mtompset There's a ubuntu.packages file which already lists everything.
06:31 mtompset (and a corresponding debian.packages file too)
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06:31 mtj … for distros other than debian/ubuntu
06:31 alex_a bonjour!
06:32 mtompset bonjour din po! ;) Okay, so I threw in some Tagalog. :)
06:32 mtompset din po is "also <polite marker>"
06:33 mtompset Actually, I was hoping to have something that could nicely use a " -b -r" listing.
06:33 cait morning all :)
06:33 mtompset -b -r does a listing of just the blah::blah that are required from
06:33 mtompset Morning, cait.
06:35 mtompset Hmm... mtj, name another debian-based OS which is not debian or ubuntu... I'll try an experiment on it later.
06:38 mtj mtompset, consider Centos as a target for your tarball instructions
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06:38 mtj … using a cpanfile
06:38 * mtompset cries, "CentOS has to CPAN."
06:39 mtompset There are 18 or so dependencies which can not be gotten otherwise.
06:40 mtj … using a cpanfile
06:40 mtompset I don't know what you mean by cpanfile, to be honest.
06:41 mtj
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06:43 mtompset This sounds like something that wajasu is trying to integrate with
06:43 reiveune hello
06:43 mtompset If he succeeds, then changing the tarball instructions to fit that is probably a good idea.
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06:43 mtj or CPAN::Meta::Spec , or Module::Install, or carton
06:44 mtj they all solve the same problem - pulling modules from CPAN, at a specific version
06:45 mtompset I'd rather figure out how to build from CPAN the dependencies, and then get RPM's hosted.
06:45 mtompset So they add the RPM repo, and all comes down nicely.
06:46 mtj ^^ if you are looking for a tasty pet-project for Koha, pick that one  :)
06:46 mtompset Unfortunately, I don't have the time to do that.
06:48 matts hi !
06:53 mtj ooh, perlcritic errors now 390 from 671->[…]m/perlcritic.html
06:54 mtompset perlcritic of what?
06:54 mtj koha
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07:19 gaetan_B hello
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07:23 kf good morning #koha
07:24 mtompset greetings, kf.
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07:36 kf hi sophie_m :)
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07:40 mveron Good morning #koha
07:40 kf mveron++ :)
07:40 kf signing off like crazy
07:40 harit Now you can visit your admininstration website to continue with the Koha web installer.
07:40 harit what would that be
07:40 mveron Hi kf :-)
07:41 harit and when i created an instance adduser : to avoid problems .. appears
07:41 harit need help with installation
07:41 mveron Comments welcome for Bug 4177
07:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4177 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface
07:43 sophie_m hi kf
07:43 kf harit: with the information you gave so far it's a bit hard to help you
07:43 mtompset Do you have a web browser?
07:43 kf harit: which version are you installing? which OS? which steps have you taken so far?
07:44 harit ubuntu
07:44 mtompset I'll attempt this. :)
07:44 harit i am done till the Pre web install step
07:44 mtompset okay...
07:44 mtompset you finished the pre-web install step, or are you starting it?
07:45 harit when i type in sudoa2enmod rewrite i am getting an error
07:45 mtompset THere's a space.
07:45 harit yeh i created the config file
07:45 harit i am sorry i typed it wrong here not in the command line
07:45 mtompset paste?
07:45 wahanui i heard paste was found at
07:46 harit here is the error
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07:46 mtompset harit, click the link, and paste your koha-sites.conf there.
07:46 mtompset I'd like to make sure it makes sense.
07:48 harit yep i did it
07:48 mtompset you forgot to set the channel, and your nick, and such... it didn't paste here.
07:49 kf be careful with passwords
07:49 mtompset The koha-sites.conf doesn't have any passwords.
07:49 kf right
07:50 mtompset But a good reminder to not paste something with passwords. :)
07:50 pastebot "harit" at pasted "DOMAIN="" #" (10 lines) at
07:51 harit sorry now did it
07:51 harit yes
07:52 mtompset (for the opac)
07:52 harit yes
07:53 mtompset Okay, then there is nothing wrong with the file.
07:53 harit but when i am typing in sudo a2enmod rewrite
07:53 mtompset so then you typed 'sudo a2enmod rewrite' and got an error?
07:53 harit it says module rewrite already enabled
07:54 mtompset That's fine.
07:54 mtompset Okay...
07:54 mtompset By the way, do a page refresh... I am tweaking the instructions. :)
07:55 mtompset So, you will likely run the mysql database on the same server, so you'll need to install it.
07:55 mtompset (which you may have already done)
07:55 harit ok
07:55 mtompset if it is already the newest version, all is good.
07:55 harit at the moment does the apache server have anything to show on the browser
07:56 mtompset not yet.
07:56 harit cause the instructions says "Now you can visit your admininstration website to continue with the Koha web installer."
07:56 mtompset did you run koha-create already?
07:56 harit yes i did
07:57 mtompset sudo koha-create --create-db library... okay.
07:57 mtompset And you have the password?
07:57 mtompset don't type it.
07:57 harit yes
07:57 harit i got it now
07:58 mtompset did you do the ubuntu mysql security tweak?
07:58 harit last time i included the braces as a part of the syntax
07:58 mtompset Oops... :)
07:58 harit sudo koha-create --create-db {instancename}
07:58 mtompset Oh...
07:58 mtompset you may wish to type: koha-list
07:58 harit ok
07:59 mtompset how many things are listed?
07:59 harit and i have a message from the apache
07:59 mtompset slow down... let's go in order.
07:59 harit could not reliably determine the servers fully qualified domain name, using
07:59 mtompset we'll deal with that after.
08:00 harit no thats what i got after koha-create
08:00 harit ok
08:00 mtompset Right... but let's figure out if you accidentally created two instances first.
08:00 harit ok
08:00 mtompset type: koha-list.
08:00 mtompset (no period)
08:01 harit yep
08:01 mtompset how many thing(s) are listed?
08:01 harit just one library
08:01 mtompset okay, good... I guess the {}'d version bombed. :)
08:01 harit oh k
08:02 mtompset let's triple check: ls /etc/apache2/sites-available
08:02 mtompset just default stuff and library, right?
08:02 harit letme check
08:03 harit it says no directory
08:04 harit yes its here
08:04 harit sorry
08:04 harit yes
08:05 harit just the default stuff and library
08:05 mtompset okay... now, to address your concern.
08:05 mtompset when you create the instance, it sets up apache config files.
08:05 mtompset based on the file you pasted initially.
08:06 harit ok
08:06 mtompset The problem is... the machine you are on, doesn't know what the ip address is for this.
08:06 mtompset So, when it doesn't know, it defaults to or
08:07 harit ok
08:07 mtompset This is why we are going to edit /etc/hosts eventually, but not yet.
08:07 mtompset let's get through the other steps.
08:07 harit as you say
08:08 mtompset Have you done the "Configuring the Character Set (Part 2)" steps?
08:08 harit nop , as the mysql security tweak comes first
08:09 mtompset you are using Ubuntu 12.04, correct?
08:09 harit yes
08:11 mtompset Sorry... phone call.
08:12 harit thats fine , i really appreciate your help
08:12 mtompset in the MySQL section, you want the last possibility for the my.cnf tweak.
08:12 mtompset and don't forget to add the optimization listed there too.
08:13 harit i didnt really understand your last two messages , can you rephrase
08:14 mtompset The MySQL section of the configuring... is rather long.
08:14 harit ok
08:14 mtompset I'm telling you that rather than experiment with the first sample, or the second sample...
08:15 mtompset you want the third one.
08:15 mtompset I probably should reverse the order on those.
08:15 mtompset character-set-server=utf8
08:15 harit ok
08:15 mtompset skip-character-set-client-handshake
08:15 mtompset and make sure to add the next thing too.
08:16 mtompset innodb_file_per_table
08:17 mtompset Tell me when you have the apache and mysql steps done.
08:17 harit ok
08:17 harit just a min
08:19 harit i am sorry to ask you again
08:19 harit do you want me to perform the apache step first
08:19 harit and then the tweak
08:20 mtompset I thought you already did the security tweak.
08:20 harit no i didnt
08:20 mtompset well, better do that first, before you forget. :)
08:21 harit ok
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08:22 koyauni please check whether this can work to help the community
08:25 drojf koyauni: personally i think this will not help but fragment the community. we have mailing lists that one can alternatively use in the form of web forums and that way has worked well for years. i think it is not realistic to expect thousands (i suppose) subscribers to register at this forum instead. also using a mailing list has the very nice possibility to filter emails for certain subjects etc which i personally would not like to miss. just my opinion
08:26 drojf and good morning #koha
08:26 mtompset[…]ha-mailing-lists/
08:27 mtompset If you scroll down to the bottom, there are already forum interfaces to the mailing lists.
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08:31 mtompset welcome back, harit.
08:31 harit mtompset sorry my system was down
08:32 harit just a sec ill do the tweak
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08:35 harit i am done with the tweak
08:36 harit please tell me one step at a time, I am new to all these
08:36 mtj koyauni, i have considered importing many years of koha mailing-list history into phpbb
08:38 mtj .. but it is very difficult :/
08:38 mtompset harit: Okay... next step... make sure to refresh the page.
08:38 mtompset I'm tweaking it as we go through it, so others aren't as confused by it.
08:39 harit ok
08:39 mtompset configuring the character set part2
08:39 mtompset The apache part should be simple enough to do without explanation.
08:39 harit ok
08:39 mtompset And again, don't worry about any messages you might see on the restart.
08:39 harit ok
08:39 harit ill let u know when i am done
08:41 mtj koyauni, mail2forum is the only tool to do phpbb import, but it is a dead website/project
08:41 mtj … and only works for phpbb2,  not phpbb3 :(
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08:42 harit mtompset , Done with the charset part
08:43 mtompset good, because I'm going through this document myself with a new VM.
08:43 mtompset Okay...
08:43 harit ok
08:43 mtompset MySQL part... we're going to skim a bit, because I know what you need to do for 12.04
08:44 harit ok
08:44 mtompset Scroll down to where it says: sudo nano /etc/mysql/my.cnf
08:44 harit ok
08:44 mtompset You are going to add the two lines directly below into the file.
08:44 harit ok ill do it
08:45 mtompset and then scrolling some more to the "add this optimization" in bold.
08:45 mtompset Add that third line, and save.
08:45 mtj koyauni, there are 12 years of Koha mailing-list history that we lose, if we switch to a new forum
08:45 mtj ->
08:46 Maxie2012 Hi people out there!  I'm writing from Singapore in the hopes that I could get some help re the KOHA systems as I'm TOTALLY new to this, but really interested to learn more about it.  Can anyone help...?
08:48 drojf Maxie2012: welcome. the first step is to learn the name ;) it is Koha, not KOHA. Koha is a maori word, not an acronym. the second step would be to read the manual at the koha website
08:49 Maxie2012 My apologies....Koha...
08:50 Maxie2012 Thank you for your taking note of the website
08:52 harit mtompset, i cant find add this optimization in the file
08:52 mtj hi Maxie2012, i <3 Singapore :)
08:52 harit and whats the third line there are only 2 in the instructions
08:52 mtompset It's there are three boxes with similar examples.
08:53 mtompset you used the first one with only 2 lines.
08:53 mtompset The FOURTH box.
08:53 mtompset has in bold above it "add this optimization"
08:53 Maxie2012 Hi:)
08:53 mtompset innodb_file_per_table
08:54 mtompset so you should have three lines added below [mysqld] in your my.cnf now.
08:54 harit ok should i add this line next to the first two
08:54 harit in my.cnf
08:54 harit ok
08:54 mtompset That's where I put it. :)
08:54 mtompset save the changes, and restart the mysql server.
08:54 mtj Maxie2012, Ananda Bhavan restaurant++ :)
08:55 mtompset sudo service mysql restart
08:56 harit ok i did it
08:56 mtompset no problems restartings?
08:56 mtompset (just confirming)
08:56 harit yep it just said "process 24778 "
08:57 mtompset okay... fine.
08:57 mtompset next we need to make sure named virtual hosts is listening correctly.
08:57 harit ok
08:57 mtompset That's the configuring apache section.
08:58 mtompset If the ports.conf file has those two lines uncommented, there are no changes needed.
08:58 harit can i edit the file ports.conf as said on the website
08:58 harit ok
08:58 Maxie2012 Actually...I need help....have a set of functional requirements for a library system and am looking for a customisable application
08:59 mtompset Are any other websites going to run on this server, harit?
08:59 harit nop
08:59 harit just koha
08:59 drojf Maxie2012: what do you need?
08:59 drojf (koha can do everything ;) )
08:59 mtompset then I'd go with the simpler "sudo a2dissite 000-default".
09:00 mtompset So, you've done that, harit?
09:00 harit mtompset , they are uncommented
09:00 mtompset see, no changes.
09:01 harit so should i run "sudo a2dissite 000-default" now
09:01 mtompset sometimes, you don't have a clean environment, and there are other websites, so you have to check.
09:01 mtompset Yep.
09:01 koyauni I think we can have the mailing-list attached to the forum, with septate search field. You do not loose it but upgrade to something which is more widley feasible for average users. This will increase Koha's popularity,
09:02 mtompset Now do the Enable Modules and Site section. :)
09:02 koyauni mtj, maby we can istall phpbb2, import data into that format and then upgrade from phpbb2 to phpbb3+
09:02 harit mtompset, it said " TO activate the new configuration , you need to run : service apache2 reload"
09:02 mtompset we'll get there.
09:02 mtompset Now do the Enable Modules and Site section. :)
09:03 mtompset The last command does that.
09:03 mtompset shoot... I see a problem.
09:03 mtompset it shouldn't be sudo a2ensite koha.
09:03 mtompset It should be sudo a2ensite library.
09:04 harit ok
09:04 mtj koyauni, yes… maybe… but, the tool to import into phpbb2 no longer exists… :/ ->
09:04 mtompset Actually {instance name}
09:05 mtompset because not everyone chooses library.mydomain.whatever
09:05 harit ok
09:05 Maxie2012 I'm looking to use Koha as a base for developing a standard application that I may eventually want to distribute.  Is this possible...never worked with open source systems before & not sure about licensing etc...?
09:06 mtj koyauni, and as Karam said, there are many forum software, that already intergrates with the Koha mailing-list
09:06 mtj koyauni, ->
09:06 koyauni this guys has the answer
09:06 koyauni he is the owner
09:07 mtompset Okay, done that, harit?
09:07 harit yes
09:07 harit i am done
09:07 mtompset This is where you need to know a little about your networking situation.
09:07 harit i have a static ip
09:08 mtj koyauni, there is no download at  :/
09:08 mtompset Great... So, you know it already?
09:08 harit yes
09:08 mtj koyauni, mail2forum is a 'dead' project
09:08 mtompset Scroll down to the "Tweak Hosts File".
09:08 harit ok
09:09 mtompset Instead of, as in the example, you put your IP address.
09:10 mtompset Instead of, etc... you put the fully qualified domain names.
09:10 mtompset so library. (scrolling up to look what you said before)... you know what I mean, and library-intra.(same thing)
09:10 mtompset Put those two lines at the bottom of the file.
09:11 harit so the second ip stays as it is ?
09:11 mtompset both should be the same.
09:11 Maxie2012 I'm also looking to possibly collaborate with someone to work on this project
09:11 mtompset they both should be your static ip addresses.
09:12 koyauni yes I know it is dead but we need the application only and it is here
09:12 mtj koyauni, the question is 'why switch Koha to new forum software, when we have *5* already available?'
09:12 mtj Gmane, Markmail, Nabble, ArchiveOrange, Mail Archive
09:13 koyauni they are not Forum, people can not login and create threads
09:13 koyauni it is a emails in with web interface
09:13 mtompset koyauni: you have a pretty narrow definition of forum.
09:14 koyauni you will get 10 emails per day just because you sign in, this is not practical
09:14 mtompset Don't subscribe to the mailing list.
09:14 mtompset Read it at the forums.
09:14 koyauni I see this as forum
09:15 mtompset Have you saved it, harit?
09:15 harit yes i did
09:15 harit just to double checl
09:15 mtj koyauni, there are people that *do* want 10 emails a day
09:15 mtompset paste?
09:15 wahanui somebody said paste was found at
09:15 harit one is
09:15 harit other is
09:16 koyauni where the community find ONE place to look and interact on issues, this will make Koha to become more popular, and get some hint with first search, not looking for 12 years mailing list
09:16 mtompset yes, because that is what you put into your conf file earlier.
09:16 koyauni anyway, I am trying to get Koha to work for average users not computer programmer
09:16 harit oh k
09:17 drojf Maxie2012: it is free and open source software under GPL license. you can modify it as much as you like, even though it is preferred that you give back enhancements to the community. but you have to keep in mind that you have to keep the license, so you have to give users of your enhancemens (or fork if it will be a completely different version) the same right. if by "distributing" you mean "sell the software", that business model is not going to work s
09:17 mtompset So, now you should be able to 'ping'
09:17 mtompset and 'ping'
09:17 mtompset from the koha server.
09:17 koyauni mtj, I am sure they do otherwise we would not have Koha today, but I am talking about average Liberian and teachers who relay on Koha,
09:18 harit yes i was able to do that\
09:18 mtompset fantastic.
09:19 mtj koyauni, phpbb will only be acceptable, if all mail history is imported
09:19 mtompset now the question is... do you have access to a machine on the same network with a graphical browser?
09:19 harit yes
09:19 koyauni I think Koha will have much better future as community if it can up-to-date its community so a wider users can see the benefit and usability of the system.
09:19 drojf koyauni: who do you think is going to answer all the questions if there are no 10 emails a day? personally i am not going to click through a web forum all day, so i would not read any questions
09:19 mtompset Try: http://library-intra.....
09:20 mtompset (sorry, typing the name is prone to typos, so I didn't even try)
09:20 mtj and…  phpbb will only be acceptable, if people can continue to participate via email
09:21 harit i cant find it that way
09:21 mtompset really?
09:21 wahanui Of course!
09:21 drojf koyauni: also a web forum has to have categories. and these categories never fit reality
09:21 mtompset wahanui: forget really
09:21 wahanui mtompset: I forgot really
09:21 koyauni I think you should be able to reply via email to your threads, or a google group can work as well[…]mgroups#!overview
09:21 mtj koyauni, some people want forums - some people want emails - some people want both :)
09:21 koyauni we keep both then :)
09:22 mtompset okay... is this machine a windows box or another linux type box?
09:22 drojf -1 for google
09:22 Maxie2012 By "distibuting" what I meant was that I am looking to set up the application on a centralised server ( computing kind of thing...?) and charge based on a user license fee.  Would this not be possible?
09:22 harit its running on ubuntu
09:22 mtompset so your second machine is ubuntu desktop?
09:23 harit no its a windows
09:23 mtompset Ah... do you have administrative access on the machine?
09:23 mtj koyauni, yes, some projects have both phpbb *and* mailing-lists - no problem
09:24 harit mtompset , when i am typing the ip address in my browser its taking to koha under maintenance
09:24 mtompset That's a good message.
09:24 harit
09:24 mtompset It means the koha server is working.
09:24 mtj koyauni, but, this is probably very tricky to set up (too tricky for me)
09:25 mtompset The problem is you need to edit C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts and put the same tweaks into it.
09:25 mtompset C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
09:26 mtompset Open notepad as an administrator.
09:26 koyauni this scan help http://webapps.stackexchange.c[…]-in-google-groups
09:26 drojf Maxie2012: if by that you mean you provide hosting of koha instances for your clients then i guess that is what most koha service providers do
09:26 mtompset open, all files, C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
09:26 mtompset Add the same two lines you put into /etc/hosts into this file.
09:26 mtompset and save it.
09:27 harit you mean on the windows machine which is on the network
09:27 mtompset The problem is the koha server is expecting a NAME, and when you use the IP address in the URL, it doesn't know what to do, so it gives you the OPAC interface.
09:28 harit do you mean under this
09:28 harit # localhost name resolution is handled within DNS itself.
09:28 mtompset right at the bottom.
09:28 mtompset yes.
09:30 harit just a min
09:30 harit ill do it
09:31 koyauni mtj, a google group is a link between those who wants Forum or Mailing list, that will cover both easier to use for our wider community
09:31 harit i was unable it
09:32 mtompset you need to run note pad as administrator.
09:32 harit i did
09:32 harit i said filed opend at another location
09:32 harit but there is no file opened
09:32 mtompset "run as administrator"?
09:33 koyauni we need a admin for milainglist to start the group and use the instruction here (http://webapps.stackexchange.c[…]in-google-groups) to connect / import all mail from the 12 years
09:33 Maxie2012 Yes, something like that....and as I mentioned....charge a user licence fee and any additional customisation services
09:33 mtj koyauni , you cant import 12 years of Koha email history into a google-group :/
09:33 koyauni why, do they say it is too much to handle :)
09:35 mtompset By the way, harit, why aren't the subdomain names that you gave working?
09:35 mtj koyauni,  no… google have designed this to be impossible :/
09:35 Maxie2012 :/But re your comments about "you have to give users of your enhancemens (or fork if it will be a completely different version) the same right".....sorry....don't really understand what that means
09:36 mtj koyauni, there is no way to import email history in google-groups
09:36 harit i got them from my network administrator, he said they work
09:36 mtompset Probably only internally.
09:36 mbalmer mveron?
09:36 wahanui mveron is from switzerland, a koha developer and creating some nice new features!
09:37 harit that might be possible , cause i connect via vpn to the server
09:37 Maxie2012 if I customise it to my needs, does it still belong to the general public under the GPL licence?
09:38 mtompset But your ip address is accessible externally.
09:38 mtompset I could set up my machine to configure you if I knew your password. ;)
09:38 harit i am so sorry i am not aware of all that
09:38 mtompset I don't want to know it, harit.
09:39 harit is there any other way to see the index page using the ip address
09:39 mtompset We're going to do the install that text-based way.
09:39 mtompset that's why I wrote the instructions the way I did.
09:39 mtompset This kind of configuration is a pain.
09:39 slef finally got to the bottom of bug 8738
09:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8738 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , DateTime object being compared to a date string in circulation
09:40 mtompset on the koha server.
09:40 harit ok
09:40 harit i have a problem
09:40 mtompset we're at the web isntallation step.
09:40 mtompset (forgive my misspelling)
09:40 mtompset you probably don't have lynx, so you'll need to sudo apt-get it.
09:40 slef so the packages for koha-common 3.8.4 do not work right on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
09:41 mtompset What are you talking about slef?
09:41 drojf Maxie2012: that depends what you are doing with it. if you use it in private, you can do what you want. if you release it in some way to the public, it a) has to be under the same license b) that license says you have to give out the source code too. i would argue that applies to offering webhosting of your changed version too but i am neither a lawyer nor a GPL expert. you may want to have a look at[…]eral_Public_Licen
09:41 harit mtompset, is that for me
09:42 mtompset harit: sudo apt-get install lynx
09:42 slef mtompset: bug 8738 means that if you install koha-common 3.8.4 on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, it will not circulate unless you do something further.
09:43 harit mtompset, its done
09:43 mtompset Tab to switch fields.
09:43 mtompset space to go through pages
09:43 mtompset Q on a non-text field to quit
09:43 Waylon hey all
09:44 mtompset harit: Just follow the web install steps.
09:44 mtompset It should be pretty simple.
09:45 mtompset oh, and enter to click a button.
09:45 harit oh k is there no other way to access it from another web browser
09:45 harit via the ip
09:45 mtompset Okay... this is the wrong way to do it.
09:46 mtompset sudo nano /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library
09:46 mtompset take the second section. and put a copy of it again in the file, and change the number to 8080.
09:46 mtompset If that doesn't make sense, don't do anything.
09:48 harit yeh thats not really clear for me
09:49 mtompset there are two sections in the file... it should be obvious.
09:49 harit you mean the intranet section
09:49 mtompset one is <VirtualHost *:80>....</virtualhost *:80> and then there is another.
09:49 mtompset Yes, that whole intranet section.
09:49 harit i can see <VirtualHost *:80>
09:49 harit in the section
09:50 mtompset paste?
09:50 wahanui paste is found at
09:50 mtompset put your entire file there.
09:51 harit i am sorry i cant export my file this is a diff computer
09:52 mtompset then we've reached the point where your network administrator needs to solve your problems.
09:53 mtompset because until you get a machine that can use a NAMED url, OR the administrator tweaks the configuration to listen to some port for the Intranet....
09:53 mtompset (because I can't seem to describe it to you)
09:53 harit please give me a sec
09:53 mtompset you won't be able to finish the web isntall.
09:53 harit ill find a way to paste it
09:55 mtompset Okay... I have a system to transfer... you'll have to say my name to get my attention.
09:56 harit ok
09:57 Waylon Maxie2012, you would have happier customers, and much more support from us, (because we would understand your problems) if you contribute to the koha community, and allow your users the freedom to choose venders, without locking them in. the koha-community concept is not a jail. Myself, im in the middle of upgrading a vender from koha 3.0 to koha 3.10, who did not track their developments at all. Because of it, I can get not as much
09:57 Waylon support from koha-community because well.. the modifications im having to port... no one remembers koha 3.0. Not really. So, some advice, use git checkouts, track your developments, and commit back to us, what seems useful. If your code is good, it could become part of koha (under GPL), your name in lights (ah.. okay, i lie there, your name in the changelog and the very long developers list), and more than likely, help if you need it.
09:58 Waylon waylon?
09:58 wahanui Waylon: tell wahanui's bosses that the performance issue is because of the version, and there's no way to improve it unless they shell out to get the local modifications integrated.
09:58 Waylon hrm.
09:58 Waylon wahanui, forget waylon
09:58 wahanui Waylon: I forgot waylon
09:58 Waylon man, im forgotten so easily.
09:59 Maxie2012 you know of any forum/website or source where I could connect up with Koha developers whom might be interested to collaborate with me on this project..?
10:00 Waylon Waylon is the 33rd developer of Koha, currently working for, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10.
10:01 Waylon Maxie2012, hmmmmm..  theres the koha-devel mailing list, but theres also the paid support page.
10:01 Maxie2012 Hi Waylon, thank you for your response!
10:01 Waylon koha-devel?
10:01 wahanui i think koha-devel is probably the best list
10:02 Waylon I think so too, but you don't give the url..
10:02 harit mtompset, Can i mail you soon after i speak to my administrator
10:02 harit can i have your mailing address
10:02 Waylon wahanui, forget koha-devel
10:02 wahanui Waylon: I forgot koha-devel
10:02 mtompset I'd rather not give out my email address.
10:03 mtompset But I will be here for a few more hours.
10:03 Waylon koha-devel is most likely the best koha list there is (Hey, Im a bot, im biased) and can be found at http://lists.koha-community.or[…]stinfo/koha-devel
10:03 Waylon Maxie2012, ^^
10:03 Waylon paid support?
10:03 wahanui please see for a list of paid Koha support vendors.
10:03 harit mtompset, Ok ill try to get back to you asap. I really appreciate your help
10:04 Maxie2012 Hey Waylon, I am not sure what you mean in your message about "in the middle of upgrading a vender from koha 3.0 to koha 3.10, who did not track their developments at all. Because of it, I can get not as much"...??
10:04 mtompset Additionally, you are now at the stage where anyone here can help you... it's really getting the web install part to work in a friendly way for you.
10:04 harit i will look into that
10:05 harit thank you sir
10:05 Waylon okay, hmm... koha 3.0 was born a long time ago, Maxie2012 .. alot has changed. the modifications to, if they were brought to 3.10 without editing or in some case, complete rewrite, would break koha.
10:06 Waylon and these modifications were not tracked at all.
10:08 Waylon so, say you do your modifications, without tracking them, and you want to upgrade your koha to get the lastest bugfixes / features / speed improvements (koha is fast, but its going to get much faster. Solr and Plack support is in development) you would have to figure out what code you put into your koha, and  put it into the new koha.
10:09 Maxie2012 hey Waylon....I am actually looking for experienced Koha developers (or a team) to collaborate with and develop a standard application to be hosted on the web
10:10 drojf Maxie2012:  what do you mean by standard application?
10:10 Waylon Yes, that term needs definition.
10:11 koyauni hello, is any one know how to upgrade 3.8 to 3.8.5? I installed 3.8 as common package,
10:14 drojf answers are expected fast these days
10:15 mtompset He's probably also frustrated that his idea is well, lacking and we've been telling him so.
10:16 kf Maxie2012: if you install koha out of the box - you get a standard application
10:16 kf Maxie2012: I would advise against creating your own flavour of koha
10:22 drojf meh. seems like i got the git machine working again, but all permissions are screwed now so koha does not run. :(
10:22 Maxie2012 "standard application" meaning tailor Koha to fit my set of specifications....what kf refers to as my own flavour.....
10:22 drojf mveron: does not look like i will be able to sign off on bug 8812 today, sorry
10:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8812 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Staff Client: Patron search should display branch name instead of branch code in results table
10:23 drojf Maxie2012: what kind of specifications would that be? also, why would you call your custom version a standard application?
10:25 kf Maxie2012: maybe look into how the koha community works before making a decisition about this
10:26 kf Maxie2012: koha is highly configurable to fit a lot of different libraries needs - if you tailor it involving more than configuration changes, you will cut yourself off from the global development which will be very very very painful
10:26 kf Maxie2012: the best way to do it is use Koha - and give back additional features changes you need so others can use and improve them
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10:36 Maxie2012 Hey guys....thanks for all your ideas....I would really like to continue this conversation another day
10:37 Maxie2012 If anyone is interested in a collaboration of sorts with me, I would love to talk further....those interested can contact me at
10:37 Maxie2012 bye all & thanks again:)
10:45 slef says "Server Error in '/' Application. ERROR [HY000] [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver]Can't connect to MySQL server on '' (10054) ..."
10:45 slef Anyone want to bet on "standard application" being Windows EXE?
10:46 drojf slef: it's a secret, but why not send an email to a person not answering any questions regarding the work? ;)
10:46 mtompset <insert appropriate minced oath!>
10:48 slef drojf: because I fear the costs of a collaboration with someone who "would love to talk further" but ignored your questions will exceed the rewards.
10:48 drojf Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:2.0.50727.3634; ASP.NET Version:2.0.50727.3634
10:48 * drojf giggles
10:49 slef is that old?
10:49 slef updated bug 8738 manually because my email doesn't seem to have appeared
10:49 drojf no idea, it's amusing to read microsoft .net on a server website anyway ;)
10:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8738 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , DateTime object being compared to a date string in circulation
10:50 slef drojf: bah, many UK council websites will throw that sort of exception when no-one is baby-sitting their servers :-/ the joke has worn thin
10:50 drojf ugh
10:50 drojf ms website says Visual Studio 2012 (with ASP.NET 4.5)
10:51 drojf so i assume it's old too
10:51 slef drojf: or some will throw that sort of exception if you reject their session cookies... or if you don't run their javascripts... or do any one of many other things which are perfectly fine under the eGovernment standards but not in reality.
10:51 slef </rant>
10:52 drojf .NET framework, stable release 4.5 (4.5.50709) / 15 August 2012; 41 days ago
10:52 drojf slef: maybe he is going to do something similar for singapore :P
10:53 slef drojf: yay
10:55 drojf 2.0.50727.42 7 November 2005 Visual Studio 2005 Windows Server 2003 R2
10:55 drojf it's only 8 years
10:55 drojf 7 even
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11:10 Waylon kf: hi?
11:10 * wahanui waves
11:10 kf hi Waylon
11:10 kf hi wahanui
11:12 Waylon im thinking, kf, that the limitsearch to multibranches pref.. whatever the pref is going to be named, will override SearchMyLibraryFirst, will say so in its pref text.
11:13 Waylon since its basically a complete lockdown, with security checks, to ensure the user isn't actually trying to break into the other branches.
11:14 Waylon make sense?
11:14 kf if it's documented I see no problem
11:14 kf maybe add a note to Serchmylibrary first too
11:14 kf that it won't work in combination with the other
11:15 Waylon rigtht.
11:15 Waylon hmm.. Whats in a name...
11:15 Waylon its not exclusively multibranch limiting either.
11:15 kf is there a chance you could roll them into one pref?
11:15 kf with 3 settings?
11:16 Waylon it will work, (ill make it work) with the standard one branch system.
11:16 kf only an idea
11:16 Waylon so its a hypersecure SearchMyLibraryFirst
11:16 kf hm yeah and more, because can be more than one branch
11:16 kf it's an interesting feature
11:17 Waylon Right. Yeah.. preference planning.. eh....
11:19 Waylon "Search patron branch(es) security: All branches / Just patrons own branch by default, but allow others to be used /  Lock it down completely, only my branch(es) can be searched "?
11:20 Waylon what you think, kf?
11:21 kf hmm
11:21 kf not a native speaker :(
11:21 kf I think jcamins maybe might have an idea
11:21 kf but... heis not here
11:21 kf I think rolling them into one would help people not making mistakes
11:21 kf so I really think that would be a good thing to do
11:21 kf can only have one valid setting then
11:22 kf Waylon: would you mind asking in an hour or so again? when some of US is awake?
11:22 Waylon yeah.
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11:36 mveron Maxie
11:36 mveron ?
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11:39 nengard morning all
11:39 Waylon morning!
11:39 wahanui morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
11:39 Waylon i see what you mean, kf.
11:39 Waylon ill give it 30 min more.
11:41 * mveron was pinged directly by Maxie2012. Anybody else?
11:42 kf not me
11:42 kf maybe ask nengard, Waylon
11:43 Waylon now? or wait a little more for people to wake up?
11:47 nengard I'm here
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11:49 kf oh und jcamins_away :)
11:49 jcamins_away kf: yes?
11:50 kf Waylon has a system prefernece to phrase
11:50 Waylon okay, now we can do it i guess.
11:50 kf I suggested merging the searchmylibrary first and his approach into one - because it does not work when the other is activated
11:50 Waylon "Search patron branch(es) security: All branches / Just patrons own branch by default, but allow others to be used /  Lock it down completely, only my branch(es) can be searched "?
11:51 kf so we wouldn't have to have notes like ' don't activate together with'
11:51 Waylon the "just patrons .. by default" is SearchMyLibraryFirst.. as its not secure at all.
11:51 Waylon its just an appearance thing.
11:52 jcamins_away That makes sense to me.
11:52 Waylon and "Lock it down completely" is where my multibranch code comes into full effect, sanity checking and limiting the search input.
11:53 Waylon but.. yeah.. nengard jcamins_away .... could you give me better wording?
11:55 jcamins_away I will have to think about this.
11:55 jcamins_away I just woke up.
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11:56 Waylon sure.
11:58 nengard Waylon how about this:  "All branches / Just patrons' own branch (others may be searched) /  Only patrons' branch can be searched "
11:59 nengard Why did you have branch(es) -- are you giving patrons a way to have more than one branch?
11:59 nengard If so you can add that back in - but right now it's 1 brach to 1 patron
11:59 Waylon Yes. a multibranch system using borrower_attributes
11:59 nengard Okay then go ahead and change that bit, but the rest I think work
11:59 nengard works
11:59 jcamins_away That sounds good to me. :)
12:00 Waylon So yeah, what you think of the idea?
12:00 nengard I don't have any libraries that need it, but it sounds good if someone does need it
12:02 Waylon whats a good shortname for this, you think?
12:02 Waylon searchsecurity?
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12:03 kf Waylon: if the multibranch requires a authorised value or something, maybe also add a note where it can be configured
12:03 kf searchablebranches ?
12:03 kf ah
12:03 kf SearchableLibraries
12:03 kf nengard: I think we decided some time ago to make it library everywhere, but I think branch has come back, not sure now
12:04 Waylon kf: right. multibranch is in opac i think... as independantbranch is?
12:04 nengard you're right so
12:04 mveron We should have a bug option like 'Deferred' for cases like Bug 4177
12:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4177 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface
12:04 nengard "All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) /  Only patrons' home library can be searched "
12:04 mveron We have 1309 bugs marked as new, most of them are obsolete I think, but they hide cases like this one.
12:04 drojfx kf: at what time did i say i'd format the sd card?
12:04 nengard Waylon and kf ^^ see my language change
12:05 Waylon only patrons home library/libraries
12:05 kf mveron: I think more importatn we should mark them closed when the new rlease is out
12:05 kf lots of them
12:05 kf so we get rid of all those fixed bugs showing up in searches
12:06 mveron kf: Agree...
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12:13 Waylon SearchableLibraries = all/preferhome/securehome?
12:14 kf_afk Waylon: sounds good to me now -
12:15 * Waylon nods.
12:15 Waylon I'll make it so.
12:26 Waylon "All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) /  Only patrons' home library and assigned libraries can be searched?
12:26 Waylon or other assigned libraries?
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12:28 oleonard Mmmm.... Breakfast.
12:29 * oleonard is ready for his second breakfast
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12:31 Waylon okay, bedtime i think
12:31 Waylon night all
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12:50 mtompset Nice... system transferred, restyled, reindexed all in less than 3 hours.
12:51 mtompset And now that we're on packages... any further updates will be much faster. :)
12:52 * oleonard feels the sharp sting of nengard's whip
12:53 mtj ... or a Japanese pop singer
12:53 * oleonard also feels the sharp sting of a Japanese pop singer's whip
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12:55 druthb This says something about you, oleonard, that I'm not sure I'm better off knowing...  :P
12:55 nengard oleonard - I added the :) so that it didn't sound that way ? was just trying to get their tweets seen by the right people
12:55 nengard did it sound rude??
12:55 oleonard No, I'm just cracking wise
12:55 * nengard is sensitive this week
12:56 nengard but good to hear
12:56 mtompset oleonard: Why did you feel the sting of the whip? Is one of those your twitter id?
12:57 oleonard mtompset: It was purely sympathetic
12:57 * oleonard is @oleonard if you're curious mtompset
12:57 * mtompset nods in understanding.
12:57 mtompset I am trying to avoid twitter.
12:57 nengard it can be very helpful
12:57 * druthb is cleverly disguised as @druthb.
12:57 nengard I get lots of answers to my questions on twitter
12:58 mtompset Is that what facebook is for?
12:58 * kf_afk won't tell :P
12:58 mtompset Or is it... snail mail > email > facebook > twitter?
12:59 * druthb goes :P at kf_afk, who apparently isn't, after all.
12:59 oleonard I wouldn't want to ask a tech question via snail mail
12:59 mtompset sneaker net baby... all the way. ;)
13:00 * kf_afk is now
13:00 mtompset And where do avian carriers fit in?
13:00 mtompset[…]er_Avian_Carriers
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13:39 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
13:39 mtompset Looks like we had a nice blip.
13:40 mtompset oleonard: Did you survive the blip?
13:40 oleonard blip?
13:40 mtompset lots of comings and goings.
13:41 mtompset Though, I suppose it wasn't a blip, given the time span.
13:41 oleonard Just a quiet morning.
13:42 libsysguy anybody use emacs?
13:42 libsysguy I feel like every solution I come up with to replace tabs in my code with spaces fail
13:43 * mtompset cringes, "meta-meta-host-what key next?!"
13:43 libsysguy heh
13:43 * libsysguy has octopus fingers now
13:43 oleonard libsysguy: I hope you're replacing tabs with spaces only on lines you have changed?
13:44 libsysguy yeah
13:44 oleonard Cool.
13:44 tcohen what does blip stand for?
13:44 mtompset quiet morning? Too bad it is Tuesday... Made me think of Manic Monday:
13:45 * oleonard is not clicking that link under any circumstances
13:46 mtompset It's just the youtube link to Manic Monday, but I understand you not clicking it.
13:46 * oleonard is old enough to have lived through that song being in regular rotation, had plenty of it then
13:47 tcohen blip =~ Manic Monday ?
13:48 oleonard blip = when the IRC server moves everyone to another machine and there is a mass exit/entrance (I assume)
13:48 mtompset no that was a non-related consecutive thought.
13:48 mtompset Yes, that's what I meant, oleonard.
13:49 tcohen "A short high-pitched sound made by an electronic device." says google
13:49 mtompset that too.
13:49 mtompset blip has multiple meanings.
13:49 mtompset Since we are on IRC, the context clarifies that it isn 't a sound.
13:49 oleonard tcohen: I would contend that mtompset's usage is non-standard
13:50 tcohen i just thought it was a joke related to that girls pitch
13:50 mtompset no, no joke.
13:51 * Guest8171 reads the backlog, wonders why the cindi lauper hate
13:51 oleonard cyndi lauper?!
13:51 mtompset It was not cyndi lauper.
13:51 * oleonard wags his finger at wizzyrea
13:51 wizzyrea fine fine.
13:51 mtompset The bangels.
13:51 wizzyrea oh ha right it was the bangles
13:51 * wizzyrea even liked the bangles
13:52 wizzyrea I'm sure you can imagine
13:52 * tcohen is more a Bad Religion's guy
13:52 mtompset cyndi lauper... the only thing that quickly comes to mind is girl's just wanna have fun.
13:52 wizzyrea in my younger, more impressionable days I probably listened to many things that we would consider "bad"
13:52 wizzyrea see: bangles
13:53 mtompset oleonard: definition 7 sort of on
13:54 mtompset Never heard of Bad Religion.
13:54 mtompset Listening to American Jesus now.
13:55 tcohen 'Los Angeles is burning'
13:58 mtompset not what I'd normally listen to, but they are rather lyrical for the style of music they are playing.
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14:10 nengard jcamins bug 8818
14:10 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8818 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Authority linker error on Z cataloging
14:10 nengard :(
14:11 jcamins nengard: I'll take a look when I can.
14:11 tcohen anyone in the QA team to take a look at bug 8800?
14:11 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
14:11 jcamins And we're sure that this is not the same as the last bug relating to this, just with a usable test case this time around?
14:12 jcamins (I presume I'll be able to reproduce it, anyway)
14:12 nengard jcamins you asking me?
14:12 nengard I'm not sure what the last bug relating to this was
14:13 jcamins nengard: right. I already patched a bug talljoy reported about the linker not working with Z39.50.
14:13 jcamins Actually, that's not true.
14:13 nengard oh .. do you know that bug number? ?. okay nevermind
14:13 nengard hehe
14:13 jcamins I patched a bug that wajasu *thought* was the same as the bug talljoy reported.
14:14 jcamins I suppose we don't actually know if it was the same bug.
14:14 nengard okey dokey
14:14 nengard well I'll leave mine alone for now
14:14 jcamins If it's the same bug, you might try the patch.
14:14 jcamins talljoy might remember the bug number.
14:19 jcamins And the more information you can provide the better, because if this is anything like that one, I may never be able to reproduce it, so it will be a matter of logic to track it down.
14:21 jcamins libsysguy: in answer to your earlier question about replacing tabs, easy peasy. Ctrl-X Ctrl-Q v i m <Return>
14:22 libsysguy ...
14:22 * libsysguy is not amused jcamins :p
14:22 * jcamins is _very_ amused.
14:22 mtompset And thus began the editor wars. ;)
14:23 libsysguy and for the record it would be Crtl-x Crtl-c v i m <Return>
14:23 libsysguy followed by *sh*t sh*t*
14:24 libsysguy then :q <Return>
14:24 jcamins lol
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14:29 tcohen a question on git
14:29 tcohen suppose i set our own git repo following 3.8
14:29 tcohen and want to have our patched applied
14:29 tcohen but still follow the official 3.8/
14:30 tcohen what will happen t git when my patch gets officially pushed?
14:30 jcamins tcohen: merge in an integration branch.
14:30 jcamins "in" was a bad word to use there.
14:30 jcamins Merge *into* an integration branch.
14:31 tcohen so I create a special branch fr the task of integrating
14:31 jcamins When it gets pushed upstream, you will either get a conflict with no changes, or it will inform you that the patch was already merged upstream.
14:31 jcamins That's what I do.
14:32 tcohen after integrating, do u push into your current 3.8 branch?
14:32 tcohen or do u use your integration branch for production?
14:33 jcamins I use the integration branch in production.
14:33 jcamins Well, I use packages generated off of my integration branch in production.
14:34 tcohen yes, that's my plan now I have the knowledge :-D
14:35 tcohen will try going live with bug 8773 + own packages
14:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
14:35 jcamins tcohen++
14:36 * jcamins would like to test that.
14:36 tcohen wajasu did
14:37 jcamins More testing is always good.
14:37 jcamins And I think your daemon script is probably superior to the one I'm currently using.
14:39 * jcamins has never quite figured out init/rc.
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14:40 tcohen yeah, i provided wajasu with the debs for testing.
14:41 tcohen in fact, i learned to build the packages just for wajasu :-D
14:41 * jcamins remembers.
14:41 jcamins :)
14:51 tcohen what do #koha think of hiding the status=pushed from the default search?
14:52 tcohen (talking about bugzilla)
14:53 jcamins tcohen: it drives me nuts, but I think there's no way to fix it.
14:53 jcamins I created a special "All my bugs" saved search to show me those.
14:54 mtompset I'm attempting a 3.8 install on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS.
14:54 jcamins Have fun with that.
14:54 tcohen i guess your idea is the solution for now jcamins
14:54 mtompset Had to update[…]ing_Koha_packages
14:55 mtompset It was missing a couple things to hack,.\
14:58 mtompset i'm also downloading the tar file just so I can run to be sure I didn't miss anything.
14:59 tcohen if you ask me mtompset, i'd avoid using dpkg --set-selections ; dselect install
14:59 tcohen its installing i386 stuff again
15:00 mtompset can you trace the bit that is grabbing the i386 stuff?
15:00 tcohen its strange, as installing the same packages using apt-get install doesn't have that behaviour
15:00 tcohen how do I tell dselect to present the dependency tree?
15:01 mtompset i'm not familiar with dselect. :(
15:01 mtompset It's the yaz messing you up?
15:02 jcamins mtompset: that set of instructions on the wiki has met great success, so really all you should need to do is add any missing dependencies.
15:07 jcamins I have an opinion question for someone from France: does the summer of 1914 come before or after the winter of 1914?
15:07 reiveune bye
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15:07 jcamins Aww.
15:07 jcamins He would've known the answer.
15:09 tcohen its the same hemisphere as yours?
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15:10 jcamins tcohen: yeah, but it's a cultural thing whether "winter" is January or December.
15:10 oleonard jcamins: I would think it's ambiguous. In some cultures it isn't?
15:11 jcamins oleonard: it's always ambiguous, but depending on where you are, it tends to go one way or the other.
15:12 oleonard Interesting. I would consider it squarely ambiguous, if one can say such a thing.
15:14 jcamins oleonard: part of it is when it starts getting cold, I think.
15:16 jcamins Since no one from France has an opinion, I have decided that winter precedes summer.
15:20 oleonard So let it be written.
15:20 mtompset Can't it be both?
15:21 jcamins mtompset: not when I'm putting books in order, no.
15:23 tcohen i hate dselect
15:23 jcamins tcohen: perhaps we should change back to the old way of doing things? There used to be an apt-get script.
15:23 jcamins Instead of generating .packages files, we could generate .sh scripts that run apt-get.
15:23 tcohen I'd agree
15:24 tcohen is dselect a default on debian?
15:24 tcohen (not in ubuntu)
15:25 jcamins tcohen: no.
15:26 jcamins tcohen: it was initially used only for Ubuntu.
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15:31 tcohen i guess because aptitude usage was discouraged in ubuntu 11.04+
15:33 jcamins tcohen: I don't think so. We had a .packages file for 9.04, I think.
15:34 * mtompset smirks, "dselect works -- for i386"
15:34 mtompset 9.04?
15:34 mtompset There wasn't a 9.04 when I was looking at it.
15:34 jcamins mtompset: is that Jaunty Jackalope?
15:35 mtompset Though, there were instructions talking about Jaunty.
15:35 mtompset I think so.
15:37 tcohen doing: for i in $(cat ubuntu.12.04.packages| grep -v "#" | cut -f1) ; do debtree $i 2>/dev/null | grep -q i386 && echo $i ; done
15:37 tcohen no package generates that i386 dependency
15:37 tcohen damn
15:38 tcohen it must be my box that is busted
15:38 jcamins tcohen: no, someone else managed to reproduce that problem.
15:39 tcohen maybe its a deselect bug
15:39 tcohen related to multiarch support...
15:40 mtompset well, this sucks... it looks like I would have to CPAN DateTime for 10.04
15:41 jcamins You know what Koha needs to be enterprisey?
15:41 jcamins An error message that says "NO CONNECTIONS AVAILABLE : All available connections to the XX Catalog are in use. Please try again in a few minutes."
15:41 jcamins _That_ is enterprisey.
15:42 mtompset I was hoping for a "koha-just-install-it-now" command that did everything automagically.
15:42 jcamins lol
15:43 jcamins mtompset: you couldn't have been expecting it, though, given that there was just a conversation on the list about how CPANing it on 10.04 was the only option.
15:43 libsysguy I was thinking we'd rebase the whole thing on JAVA
15:43 jcamins lol
15:43 * mtompset laughs.
15:44 jcamins Wow.
15:44 oleonard jcamins: While we're at it can we please add session-dependent detail pages? I can't stand that our links are so darn persistent.
15:44 jcamins LC has some great call numbers and notes in their catalog.
15:44 mtompset Actually, there are THREE dependencies.
15:45 jcamins "SB356 .F75 FT MEADE Do Not Serve" Request in: "Unavailable: Contact Collections Officer, CALM"
15:45 mtompset DateTime, DateTime::TimeZone (which I think is possible with some dancing), and Template.
15:45 * jcamins runs around waving his arms around being uncalm.
15:46 jcamins mtompset: are you sure? Template::Toolkit used to be available on 10.04.
15:47 mtompset It is... but it is 2.20
15:47 mtompset requirement says 2.22
15:47 mtompset Similarly DateTime is 0.52, but requirement says 0.58
15:48 slef yeah and that breaks stuff
15:48 jcamins DateTime version matters, but I'm not sure TT version does.
15:48 slef use deb make perl
15:48 slef or whatever it's called
15:48 slef don't just cpan stuff, else a kitten dies
15:49 slef or your server grows a forest of conflicting module namespaces and versions, just as likely
15:50 libsysguy dang it I stepped away and missed all the laughing
15:50 * libsysguy is now sad
15:50 tcohen slef, do u know what the actual command is?
15:50 * kf_afk missed it too
15:50 slef tcohen: no but I can look it up
15:50 libsysguy everybody always gets a good chuckle out of a JAVA rebase kf_afk
15:51 kf_afk oh, someone threatened to rewrite koha in java again?
15:51 libsysguy I did, but in sarcasm
15:51 slef oh did tcohen not want to know?
15:51 slef dh-make-perl --build --cpan  DateTime
15:51 libsysguy mtompset said something about making Koha enterprise
15:51 slef @later tell tcohen dh-make-perl --build --cpan  DateTime
15:51 huginn` slef: The operation succeeded.
15:52 kf_afk I see
15:55 mtompset same problem with Template. There's no way to upgrade without a CPAN -- or painfully updating perl.
15:56 jcamins mtompset: I still don't think that the TT version matters.
15:57 mtompset So would that be another dependency lower?
15:57 jcamins I think we could lower it, yes.
15:58 jcamins You'd have to test that, though.
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16:00 mtompset how would I test that?
16:01 jcamins mtompset: View all the pages?
16:01 mtompset every single page?!
16:02 jcamins Or most of them.
16:02 wahanui most of them are pretty small
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16:05 mtompset Well, I'm calling it a night.
16:05 mtompset Even though it is now morning.
16:05 mtompset[…]ages#Dependencies
16:05 mtompset I did update 10.04 dependencies listed there.
16:06 mtompset Template and DateTime are the only two problems for 3.8
16:06 jcamins mtompset: I was using 3.6 on Ubuntu 10.04 until...
16:07 mtompset 3.6 should work okat on 10.04
16:07 jcamins Mayish, I think.
16:07 jcamins Template Toolkit is not a new requirement to 3.8.
16:09 mtompset But TT was prior to 3.6, wasn't it?
16:10 jcamins We changed to TT for 3.4.
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16:12 mtompset I may have CPAN'd it for my tarball install.
16:13 mtompset I love how my 10.04 is telling me to upgrade to 12.04
16:14 jcamins mtompset: well, it is EOLed or nearly so, isn't it?
16:14 mtompset No, support is until April 2014?
16:15 mtompset Or is it 215.
16:15 jcamins April 2013.
16:15 jcamins 2015 if you're paying for server support, I think.
16:15 mtompset No, 2015 is the SERVER version.
16:15 mtompset 2013 is the DESKTOP version.
16:16 jcamins Oh, I thought that was the type of support you were paying for.
16:16 mtompset no, it's for the version you download.
16:16 mtompset (unlike debian)
16:17 jcamins Well, I still think that you don't need to CPAN Template Toolkit on 10.04.
16:18 jcamins Actually, I can check whether I did.
16:21 jcamins I did not. It worked fine.
16:21 jcamins Possibly there was a problem with zebra-striping tables.
16:21 oleonard "I'm in this hole, and you're handing me a ladder? I need a shovel!"
16:22 * oleonard gripes about "Cataloguing authorities 3.6/3.8" on the list
16:25 jcamins oleonard: yeah, I don't know how to respond to that.
16:25 jcamins I'm thinking "you're right, this is a terrible way to do things. If you won't listen to advice, and you won't, you're on your own."
16:26 gaetan_B bye !
16:27 libsysguy so mtj failed my patch on tabs
16:27 libsysguy when I re-submit it should I mark it as still signed off
16:27 jcamins libsysguy: if that's all he failed it on, you're doing pretty well. :P
16:27 jcamins Yes.
16:27 libsysguy or needs signoff
16:27 wahanui needs signoff are the oldest now? or random?
16:27 jcamins Still signed off.
16:27 wahanui i think signed off is the queue the QA team should watch
16:27 jcamins passed qa
16:27 wahanui it has been said that passed qa is the queue paul should watch
16:27 libsysguy ok, what about wajasu's signoff flag
16:27 libsysguy since its not in my version
16:27 jcamins Oh.
16:28 jcamins Guess it's too late to do a follow-up?
16:28 libsysguy nope
16:28 libsysguy I can do that too
16:28 jcamins Then just do a follow-up.
16:28 libsysguy kk
16:32 libsysguy frack
16:32 libsysguy now i effed up git
16:33 jcamins libsysguy: *again*?
16:34 * libsysguy hangs head
16:34 libsysguy yes
16:34 jcamins What are you doing?
16:34 libsysguy is tempted to copy and paste wajasu's sign off :p
16:34 jcamins I mean, generally speaking.
16:34 libsysguy well i did a commit —amend
16:34 libsysguy instead of a commit
16:34 jcamins This is the third time in as many days.
16:35 libsysguy not paying attention
16:35 jcamins Oh, you know what I do?
16:35 jcamins I check out the signed-off patch, then make the changes on top of it.
16:35 libsysguy git reset —hard HEAD^
16:35 jcamins Nah, that way lies real work.
16:35 jcamins If I want to split it, I then check out all the changed files from the amended branch.
16:37 libsysguy hmm
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18:02 * cait waves
18:03 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software The next general meeting is 10 October 2012 10 UTC
18:03 oleonard Hi cait
18:05 cait hi oleonard :)
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18:08 mib_906r1e Hi - just looking for some pointers on how to troubleshoot a OPAC/Staff searching problem. Bibs are showing in searches but do when I put the biblionumber in the URL
18:09 mib_906r1e upgraded from 3.6 to 3.8.3 then to 3.8.5
18:09 mib_906r1e sorry, should be: bibs are not showing in searches
18:10 oleonard searching faq?
18:10 wahanui searching faq is probably at
18:10 oleonard mib_906r1e: Have you looked at that FAQ for help?
18:10 mib_906r1e yep, I have!
18:11 mib_906r1e What is strange is that if an item attached to a biblio (that isn't showing) is checked in, the biblio then shows in search! Rebuild the index - biblio gone again!
18:13 jcamins mib_906r1e: sounds like you are running -b -a -r as the wrong user.
18:13 jcamins You will need to correct your permissions, and reindex.
18:14 mib_906r1e all permission are set correctly, as far as I can tell. There is no error on -v -v ? Would a permission error not show an error?
18:15 jcamins mib_906r1e: it might, or it might not.
18:15 jcamins Zebra's error reporting is staggeringly useless.
18:16 mib_906r1e I think I have a check on the rebuild script to not allow running as any other user except the owner of the index files (checking that now!)
18:16 jcamins How did you install Koha?
18:17 mbalmer I wonder what products like SISIS SunRise use for full text search.  Do they also resort to DB external tools like Solr, Zebra etc?  What does evergreen use in this regard?
18:17 jcamins mbalmer: Evergreen uses Postgres' fulltext search.
18:17 mib_906r1e I installed koha for that tarball downloaded from the site
18:17 jcamins mbalmer: it is very slow.
18:17 jcamins Query times can rise upward of two minutes.
18:17 mbalmer wow.
18:17 mbalmer that is slow.
18:18 * jcamins hears an echo.
18:18 jcamins ;)
18:18 jcamins mib_906r1e: how do you have a check on the rebuild script?
18:18 mbalmer are they using it "wrong" or is tsearch that slow?  In my experience, the performance is not that bad.
18:19 mib_906r1e I added a small part at the start of the script to check the user id running the script
18:19 jcamins mbalmer: probably both.
18:19 mib_906r1e is that a problem, do you think
18:19 mbalmer I see.
18:19 jcamins mib_906r1e: what else did you change?
18:19 mib_906r1e Not a thing! I hope......
18:19 mib_906r1e however, I can rerun the original one now, to put my mind at ease!
18:20 mbalmer doing a full text search in a (large) database consisiting of marc records is sth on my todo list (doing the search in the database wo/ external indexer)
18:21 oleonard That didn't work well for Koha before Zebra.
18:22 mbalmer databases have evolved, the landscape might have changed. tests will show
18:23 jcamins oleonard: it'd be nice to have a DB-only option for very small libraries, particularly in developing countries.
18:23 * jcamins has planned his search rewrite such that if someone wanted to implement a database-only search driver, it will be easy.
18:24 mib_906r1e jcamins: I reran that script - the original one - but the same problem remains. Would you have any other ideas?
18:24 mbalmer I have some large files, I really want to find out if a DB only approach can be performant.
18:24 mbalmer but consider this research, not sth to be put into koha
18:25 jcamins mib_906r1e: so it was working in 3.6.something and 3.8.3?
18:26 mib_906r1e no, it was working in 3.6. We upgraded to 3.8.3 about 3-4 weeks ago (approx) and noticed some strange authority problems (which I see a bug for) and this problem.
18:27 mib_906r1e I just upgraded to 3.8.5 today hoping that would solve the problem!
18:27 jcamins And just to confirm, you did run the Makefile, right?
18:28 mib_906r1e yeah, in all occassions
18:28 jcamins (Makefile.PL --prev-install-log=/whatever)
18:28 jcamins Okay.
18:28 * jcamins will ponder.
18:28 jcamins And curse card catalogs.
18:28 mib_906r1e yep, them make upgrade
18:33 mveron Good night #koha
18:34 mbalmer gn8
18:34 mveron Good night #koha
18:34 mbalmer last message repeated 3 times
18:41 drojf can i move my koha-git-folder (with .git inside) to another machine and use it there? assuming that there is git installed? or how would i get my branches to a different computer?
18:41 libsysguy jcamins thanks for the idea of re-pulling that patch instead of trying to fix my screwed up repo
18:51 jcamins drojf: yes.
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19:00 oleonard Seems to me that the acquisitions is not strict in distinguishing between "budget" and "fund"
19:01 oleonard See: where it has the label "Fund:" and the <select> says "Select a budget"
19:21 mib_906r1e when running an reindex I see this at the start "BIBLIONUMBER in :     999$c" ? what does that mean?
19:21 mib_906r1e I don't seem to have any 999 tags in any records!
19:21 jcamins mib_906r1e: it means your biblionumber is stored in 999$c.
19:21 jcamins Wait, what?
19:21 wahanui Wait, is it only in items?
19:21 jcamins You *must* have 999 tags in all the records.
19:21 jcamins I don't think it's possible not to.
19:22 mib_906r1e is it surpressed in the MARC detail view?
19:22 jcamins mib_906r1e: maybe. It'll show up in the plain MARC view on the OPAC, certainly.
19:22 mib_906r1e OK, I will check
19:23 mib_906r1e yeah - 999 is there alright when viewed in plain view
19:24 jcamins Okay.
19:24 jcamins That is good.
19:24 jcamins I feel like we walked someone through a similar issue a few days ago, and fixed it.
19:24 mib_906r1e yeah, but I just cannot figure out this problem. Everything seems there any "super verbose" mode I can reindex in?
19:25 jcamins Three -v flags.
19:25 mib_906r1e jcamins: really? do you remember what day? I could search the irc logs?
19:25 jcamins mib_906r1e: I'm trying to remember.
19:26 oleonard Yay nengard
19:26 jcamins mib_906r1e: I'm thinking someone would surely have mentioned "permissions."
19:26 wizzyrea oh they must be talking about koha at lianza
19:27 nengard yeah they are!!
19:27 nengard but a lot of it is tagged #koha
19:27 nengard so I've telling people about the right hashtag
19:27 mib_906r1e jcamins: I spent a good while looking at them and all the required places are owned by the koha user
19:28 jcamins mib_906r1e: yeah, I mean the conversation probably involved the word "permissions," so you could look for that in the logs. ;)
19:29 mib_906r1e oh yeah! thanks, I will have a quick search
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19:41 mib_906r1e near the end of the debug run i get this : Records: 6462 i/u/d 6344/118/0 -  which is the correct count of my biblio table (not sure about the 118 updates). Can't help thinking this is a bug now!
19:42 wizzyrea mib_906r1e: it's almost never a bug :/
19:42 wizzyrea it's almost always a misconfiguration.
19:43 wizzyrea (sad but true, sorry)
19:43 wizzyrea what kind of hardware are you running on? is it possible it's running out of memory?
19:43 wizzyrea or disk space?
19:43 wahanui hmmm... disk space is NOT the issue.
19:43 wizzyrea shh wahanui
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19:45 mib_906r1e wizzyrea: I have plenty RAM and disk - I just upped the memMax entry in the confi file, rebuilding now
19:48 mib_906r1e why would checking in an item cause the biblio to show on the search though? That is really strange - and after that, if I do a full rebuild, the biblio dissappears again. What is the diff between update and rebuild!?
19:52 wizzyrea because the zebraqueue has top update the indexes with availability
19:52 wizzyrea to*
19:53 wizzyrea since checking it in triggers a zebra update, apparently whatever *koha* is doing to the indexes is proper
19:53 wizzyrea but however they are being originally generated isn't
19:55 mib_906r1e I am almost beat  - running out of ideas fast. No search will get me the hit, only putting the actual biblionumber in the URL gets me the record.....
19:55 jcamins mib_906r1e: are you using zebraqueuedaemon?
19:56 mib_906r1e jcamins: nope
19:56 jcamins Good.
19:57 mib_906r1e is there point in enabling the z3950 server and pointing yaz at it? Will it just be the same index?
19:58 jcamins mib_906r1e: it will be exactly the same index, yes.
19:58 mib_906r1e so not much point then.....
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19:59 oleonard On this page, what does the "Finish receiving" button do?
19:59 mib_906r1e there hasn't been any new sysprefs in 3.8 that could be restricting something?
20:00 jcamins mib_906r1e: no.
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20:01 jcamins I suppose you could try switching to DOM mode for indexing (or GRS-1 mode, if it defaulted to DOM), but that's somewhat more involved than I can walk you through now, and probably won't resolve the underlying problem.
20:02 mib_906r1e I did think of that - I can make the switch no problem, although it would take some time. Maybe copious amounts of beer and some sleep might help too!
20:03 jcamins mib_906r1e: that makes sense to me.
20:04 mib_906r1e it's late where I am so I think I will call it - thanks everyone for the suggestions - there is a good chance I will be back at some stage!
20:08 mtj libsysguy_afk, feel free to flick your patch back to 'signed-off' - if someone has a problem, they will say so
20:09 mtj (i assume you only made some trival w/s fixes)
20:15 oleonard Man, I really don't understand the acquisitions workflow :(
20:17 * jcamins would switch to from LibreOffice if it had a vim mode.
20:17 oleonard Why?
20:18 jcamins oleonard: so I could use the vim mode?
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20:18 drojf computers--
20:18 oleonard Why not say, "I wish LibreOffice had a vim mode?"
20:18 drojf jcamins: i saw your "yes" before everything went crazy, thanks
20:19 drojf (the crazy had nothing to do with it ;)
20:19 jcamins drojf: you're welcome.
20:19 jcamins oleonard: well, I do wish LibreOfice had a vim mode.
20:19 jcamins But I want a vim mode so much that I'd switch back to OpenOffice.
20:21 trea is there a syspref in 3.8 for calculating fines upon check-in?
20:22 * jcamins washes his hands of it.
20:23 jcamins trea: not sure. Ask libsysguy.
20:23 * oleonard notes that the "save" button on doesn't mean "save" unless you've clicked "add" first :P
20:23 * oleonard adds a warning that says "Save, really? Save nothing? What good does that do you? Get back to work."
20:24 jcamins Hehe.
20:32 oleonard See ya #koha
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21:40 ala_3vo Hello #koha
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21:47 clyiie Hello#Koha
21:49 clyiie I have problem with fine in the circulation feature.It is not automatically charging all the overdue patrons
21:51 melia clyiie: do you have the fines cron job correctly set up? do you have finesMode system preference set to "calculate and charge"?
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21:53 lanesboroma need help with windows 7 and firefox 15 - can't access koha
21:53 clyiie fine mode system preference set to calculate and charge-yesit is but fines cron job not quite sure maybe will check the IT personel
21:53 wizzyrea the first question?
21:53 wahanui "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
21:54 lanesboroma get the page to appear, it justspins  thinking waiting whatever. all other web access works on either ie or firefox
21:54 wizzyrea new installation, old installation? Locally hosted or hosted by a support company?
21:55 lanesboroma new windows 7 install on the library peer to peer established as work - beingthe homegrou p
21:55 lanesboroma network acess is ok on wired or wireless
21:55 wizzyrea well it's probably not windows
21:55 wizzyrea and it's probably not firefox
21:55 lanesboroma through verizon bridged router
21:56 wizzyrea I happen to know that koha works fine on win7 with ff15
21:56 lanesboroma i can get acees to bring up any other pages, even added firefox as allowed in norton 360 firewall
21:56 clyiie how can we run cron job?
21:56 wizzyrea ok, is the server local to you? in the same LAN?
21:56 lanesboroma yes
21:56 wizzyrea ok, is the server running?
21:57 lanesboroma we have no lo0ca lserver, using browser to logon to the koha site, two toher xp pc's work fine with same link
21:57 clyiie i mean fine cron job
21:58 melia clyiie: there is some info here on cron jobs: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]sch.html#cronjobs. see 1.2.4
21:58 lanesboroma is the manula link to me
21:58 lanesboroma manual
21:58 melia no that was for clyiie, who is asking about the fines cron job
21:58 lanesboroma ok, np
21:59 wizzyrea hmmm
21:59 wizzyrea besides being the only win7, what is unique about this computer?
21:59 clyiie will the personnel run the cron on that site
21:59 wizzyrea no, your IT guy will have to set that up
22:00 lanesboroma staples tech yesterday installed with premise of wireless whichi turned off to beon wired  only
22:00 lanesboroma he had messed up even printers too
22:00 lanesboroma but was able to getr to koha
22:00 lanesboroma i may go and tuen on wireless just in case
22:00 wizzyrea so it was working yesterday but not today
22:00 lanesboroma yes
22:00 wizzyrea and you changed from wireless to wired
22:00 lanesboroma yes
22:01 wizzyrea ok, you say it browses to other sites fine?
22:01 wizzyrea but just spins and spins on koha
22:01 lanesboroma wireless was  on a say schema and i reverted back to  verizon dsl wired schema
22:01 lanesboroma yes to spinning
22:02 wizzyrea I think this possibly has to do with DNS - I"d double check and see if you can go to a terminal and ping the koha server by name
22:02 wizzyrea start -> run (or windows - r)
22:02 wizzyrea type cmd, press (the affirmative button)
22:03 wizzyrea (I can't remember what it is)
22:03 wizzyrea for me, it would be
22:03 wizzyrea in the black window
22:03 wizzyrea ping
22:03 wizzyrea press enter
22:04 wizzyrea for you it would be whatever you type after http:// to get to your catalog
22:04 wizzyrea but leave the http:// off
22:04 wizzyrea if you get no reply, that may mean you can't see the server
22:04 wizzyrea I hve to go pick up my kid now… sorry :(
22:04 lanesboroma ok will try  thank you
22:04 lanesboroma if i can't get to server then any ideas?
22:05 wizzyrea well, with DNS
22:05 wizzyrea you can try a different DNS server
22:05 wizzyrea google's dns resolver is for example
22:05 wizzyrea you'll find it in the network settings
22:07 rambutan lanesboroma, you can also try to use your browser to connect to the server using the ip address
22:08 rambutan just put it in the location bar, whatever it is, like
22:08 rambutan that will give you the OPAC
22:08 rambutan if you want the staff interface, just use:
22:09 rambutan
22:09 rambutan That will bypass the DNS problems
22:10 rambutan of course, if you have a DNS problem you'll want to fix it anyway
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22:12 clyiie Melia. Can you give me that link again?
22:13 melia sure:  http://manual.koha-community.o[…]sch.html#cronjobs
22:13 melia you want 1.2.4 Fines
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22:13 clyiie Thanks, My koha is 3.8.4 on debian squeeze
22:13 clyiie yes
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22:14 melia ok, I think that would be the place to start. if your IT dept sets up the cron job, you should probably see fines after it runs for the first time.
22:15 clyiie Does koha zebra rebuild do the same?
22:15 melia no, that has to do with the search.
22:18 eythian hi
22:21 melia hi eythian :)
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22:28 Waylon hiya all
22:39 * chris_n +1's the idea of a vim mode for libreoffice
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22:58 rambutan chris_n???
22:58 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5
22:58 rambutan stupid bot, trix are for kids
22:59 lanesboroma got fix done we had to get wireless only and disable wired to make koha come up but then we needed to config printer office jet to wireless only too, doesn't makesense,
22:59 lanesboroma thank you all
22:59 rambutan glad it got resolved
23:01 eythian chris_n: why not just use vim?
23:02 jcamins_away eythian: it doesn't handle RTF.
23:02 chris_n FTR: I use vim for everything... including making morning coffee ;-)
23:02 eythian RTF is text based
23:03 eythian e.g.:
23:03 eythian {\rtf1\ansi{\fonttbl\f0\fswiss Helvetica;}\f0\pard
23:03 eythian This is some {\b bold} text.\par
23:03 eythian }
23:03 eythian QED, vim can support RTF :)
23:03 jcamins_away lol
23:09 jcamins_away Hehe. Guess that would be a side effect of the last bug.
23:25 jcamins_away mtj: consider yourself berated for changing evals from string to block.
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23:25 jcamins_away eval { eval { } }; is a no-op.
23:30 jcamins_away mtj: I think perhaps we should declare a moratorium on further PBP-cleanups until 3.10 is released.
23:34 mtj jcamins_away, yeah, that one was a cock-up :)
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23:36 * jcamins_away replaced it with can_load.
23:36 jcamins_away Which is, of course, superior.
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23:38 mtj and yes, sounds fine to me :)
23:38 jcamins_away Hm. I can't reproduce bug 8823.
23:38 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record  ($9 RLIN)
23:40 jcamins_away mtj: if you really want to do PBP-y fixes for the next two months, you can try and figure out a different way to use FindBin.
23:41 jcamins_away I'm pretty sure load will *not* work.
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23:45 wajasu if you can't get 8823 creating multiple links, i might be able to ask my librarian to tell how they do it.  i remember them complaining while testing 3.6
23:48 jcamins_away wajasu: I'd appreciate that.
23:48 jcamins_away Of course, this might be like that other one, which we never actually managed to track down.
23:48 jcamins_away Rather, replicate.
23:48 jcamins_away And by "we" I mean "me."
23:49 jcamins_away You replicated it, and successfully tested my fix. :)
23:53 * jcamins_away asks for a better test plan, goes to make dinner.

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