IRC log for #koha, 2012-09-26

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00:50 drojfx wow. that ubuntu packages install article is slightly longer than the one for debian
00:56 * drojfx watches the tumbleweed
01:13 wajasu drojfx: i need to build a small box to deploy in a remote place in ethiopia to run some software to manage doctor patient records, so that the doctor doesn't waste his time looking for paper records, and can see patients.
01:13 wajasu got any suggestions for hardware?
01:16 drojfx what os does the software need?
01:17 wajasu i was going to use linux.
01:17 wajasu i also found this[…]&client=firefox-a
01:18 wajasu to maybe rsync backups of the patient records.
01:19 wajasu in case the little server and probably laptops for clients get stolen, etc.
01:20 wajasu i am researching what kind of power they have, but just started looking into this.
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01:21 eythian we've recommended laptops for servers in that kind of environment, just because they have a built in UPS
01:22 wajasu your are probably right.
01:22 wajasu i might put koha on it when i deploy it :)
01:22 drojfx depending on power supply i would agree with that
01:22 drojfx you should ;)
01:22 * Waylon stands westernstyle, fingers above a ping command, chewing code, he nods to drojf.. "You feeling lucky?"
01:23 drojfx lol
01:23 * Waylon watches the tumbleweed go past.
01:24 wajasu thx
01:24 drojfx wajasu: i have not played enough with solar panels but that would probably only be an option if power supply is  very bad
01:25 drojfx needs too much extra stuff too
01:25 Waylon raspberry pi?
01:25 wahanui Raspberry Pi embedded computers run Koha just fine. :) See[…]on_a_Raspberry_Pi
01:25 drojfx and a tiny computer
01:26 drojfx like that one :D but the requirement of a tv does not help i suppose
01:27 Waylon requirement? it supports VGA doesn't it?
01:27 drojfx no
01:27 Waylon huh?
01:27 drojfx hdmi or composite
01:27 Waylon wow.
01:28 Waylon no lowpower lcd's for hdmi?
01:28 drojfx i'd like to use it with some e-ink display, like a kindle
01:29 Waylon hmmm.
01:29 Waylon kindle wifi?
01:30 wajasu thats sounds doable.
01:30 drojfx i have not really looked into this. i think dpavlin_ is a kindle hacker he will figure it out ;)
01:30 Waylon so.. kindle wifi's for clients, raspberry pi centreal server?
01:31 drojfx Waylon: yay. i have my raspi provide wifi via a usb dongle
01:32 Waylon sounds like it could work then.
01:32 drojfx so you really only need some wifi client.
01:32 Waylon would rasberry pi survive on solar?
01:33 drojfx with the koha mobile css, a cheap smartphone
01:33 drojfx sure, depends on the size of the panel and battery
01:34 Waylon hmm... cheap smartphones cost more (unless on contract) than a wifi only android.
01:34 drojfx my charge controller does not provide enough mA unfortunately, i've been trying to get it solarized
01:34 Waylon at least in nz.
01:35 drojfx yes that may be. might have something cheap
01:37 Waylon of course, what about constructing your own wifi client? only needs to be text based? Contact see if anyone has any ideas.
01:37 wajasu i am wondering if this is ready:
01:37 Waylon you might find some genius with time on their hands.
01:41 drojfx or it could beep morse code instead of a display
01:42 wajasu dit -dot -dit -dot -dot   =>  thats part of my marc leader header
01:42 drojfx lol
01:43 Waylon haha
01:44 Waylon no, it would have to be alphanumeric display. 80x25?
01:45 Waylon what about the photosized lcd's?
01:45 Waylon those battery powered photoframes
01:45 Waylon Very hackable, apparently one even runs linux.
01:45 drojfx seems like i might be doing a koha installation night at a workshop. open end, sleep at the location. that would be cool, i hope there are people interested and brave enough
01:46 Waylon sounds like fun, drojf... ah pity its not in nz.
01:47 drojfx i have such a dpf (photo frame), have not gotten it to work really. too much things to play, too little time
01:47 wajasu i think i
01:48 Waylon right
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01:52 Cybermon hi all.
01:54 wajasu maybe we can run koha on this interface.[…]s&feature=related
01:55 Cybermon I could not printout barcode on 3.8.2 version. what is problem ?
01:56 drojfx lol wajasu that would be awesome
01:56 Waylon scarryy..
01:56 wajasu It would reply with jcamins,  Did you mean ...?
01:56 Waylon and sounds like its using a compressor for movement?
01:59 drojfx meh 4am. i'l try that sleep thing again
02:15 Waylon hmm... new preference design : Search patron branch(es) security: All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) /  Only patrons' home library and other assigned libraries (if any) can be searched (Other assigned libraries only accessable by logged-in users. Home library set via virtualhost branch option)
02:15 Waylon that good?
02:16 Waylon oops
02:16 Waylon add on at end (... option, if not logged in)
02:17 Waylon this is basically an extension of the SearchMyLibraryFirst concept.
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02:49 eythian @later tell druthb got any advice for getting circ info out of unicorn? (perhaps similar to symphony)
02:49 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded.
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03:50 Waylon ... oh god.... do i have to edit the .po files.. all of them.. when i change SearchMyLibraryFirst to SearchableBranches?
03:51 Waylon and ccsr templates?
03:51 Waylon and prog/en templates?
03:51 eythian I'm not sure what your change is
03:54 Waylon new preference design, for allowing a completely secure homebranch only/multiple -explicitly assigned branches- only search : Search patron branch(es) security: All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) /  Only patrons' home library and other assigned libraries (if any) can be searched (Other assigned libraries only accessable by logged-in users. Home library set via virtualhost branch option)
03:54 Waylon add on at end, if not logged in.
03:55 eythian typically you just change the .tt files that will have to look different.
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04:35 Waylon new preference design, for allowing a completely secure homebranch only/multiple -explicitly assigned branches- only search : Search patron branch(es) security: All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) /  Only patrons' home library and other assigned libraries (if any) can be searched (Other assigned libraries only accessable by logged-in users. Home library set via virtualhost branch option, if not logged-in)
04:36 Waylon the middle option, Just ..or better named Prefer home library, is equivilent to SearchMyLibraryFirst
04:38 Waylon since this requires changes to templates, will i need to edit both ccsr and prog/en? or just let other people manage the change on ccsr?
04:38 Waylon also, do i need to do any po changes?
04:40 eythian I don't know about ccsr, but if you need to make changes to the UI, then you need to make changes to prog.
04:40 eythian Not the .po files however.
04:42 Waylon right
04:42 Waylon so pretty easy for a developer then. cool.
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04:47 eythian yeah
04:50 Waylon who is ccsr anyway?
04:50 Waylon why are they in the template set?
04:52 eythian dunno
04:52 eythian I wonder if it's the mobile theme
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05:51 cait morning
05:51 * magnuse waves
05:51 eythian hiya
05:52 magnuse hiya eythian
05:52 * magnuse will do dist-upgrade in ~12 hours
05:53 eythian cool
05:56 magnuse hm, zebra is definitely what has been eating up my swap space
05:56 magnuse restart all the zebras and swap is freed up
05:57 eythian I tend to use top to see what's doing that
05:57 eythian run top, then press 'M' to sort by memory
05:58 magnuse yeah, i tried that but it didn't really tell me much
05:59 magnuse maybe because there are lots of small zebras?
06:00 eythian I guess it could be.
06:00 eythian There are things that will tell you more, but it's at that point I usually consult a real sysadmin.
06:00 eythian And go do what I'm supposed to be doing
06:01 magnuse hehe
06:01 magnuse that's probably what i ought to do too, but i don't have a real sysadmin on hand...
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06:09 magnuse kia ora libsysguy
06:14 cait hi eythian too :)
06:14 eythian hello cait
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06:24 alex_a bonjour
06:34 eythian
06:37 magnuse eythian: site of a future kohacon? :-)
06:38 cait :)
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06:41 reiveune hello
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06:49 julian_m hello
06:49 wahanui privet, julian_m
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07:04 francharb hello
07:04 wahanui hello, francharb
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07:04 gaetan_B hello
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07:26 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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07:38 mtompset Greetings, libsysguy and julian_m.
07:54 WaqarAzeem hello! can anyone point me to some artical that how can i introduce my new keyboard (sindhi language) layout in koha (might be using css)
07:55 mtompset Are you thinking of doing a translation?
07:57 mtompset Your keyboard layout is usually a function of your operating system, not an application.
07:59 mtj WaqarAzeem, ask the question on the koha mailing-list - some people have done this already
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08:04 kf hi #koha
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08:10 mtj WaqarAzeem, aaah no sindhi, but hindi  :/ ->[…]oard/v1/reference
08:10 WaqarAzeem thanks!
08:11 mtj no probs :)
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08:37 mtompset After trying to get 3.8.x onto Ubuntu 10.04... I figure I may just change the Ubuntu page to say the latest LTS or later is supported. Seem reasonable, mtj?
08:39 mtompset Greetings, #kf. Sorry for the delayed greeting. :)
08:39 mtj mtompset -> K.I.S.S
08:39 mtompset Less is more. ;)
08:40 mtj yep, and that one too ;)
08:42 mtompset Do you have a working plak setup?
08:43 kf hi mtompset, hi mtj
08:44 mtompset The reason I ask is the bug I just entered: bug 8826
08:44 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
08:45 mtompset should put the patch up anyways, even if I didn't test for a plakified system?
08:46 * mtompset is glad to know about git blame/git show. "It really helps track down related bug reports."
08:48 mtj mtompset, hmm, no working plack koha at the mo
08:48 mtj … and hi #koha
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08:50 slef mtompset: I doubt it was intentional to drop support for lucid BICBW.
08:51 slef mtompset: certainly, when I suggested that we should only document, rather than make sure we include last two debian stable and last two ubuntu LTS, it felt like I was outnumbered.
08:52 slef mtompset: the DateTime thing is a bit irritating, as it's fairly simple to cast back to a string when needed.
08:57 mtompset Actually, there are three missing.
08:57 mtompset (not the right numbers)
08:57 slef mtj: did you mean Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:54:32 +1200 Message-id: <> ?  It looks odd
08:57 slef
09:00 mtj hmm, more info? slef
09:02 mtompset DateTime, DateTime::TimeZone, and Template.
09:02 mtompset jcamins_away said that he was using the downgraded Template without issues.
09:02 mtj slef, did you want mtj ,  or mtompset  ?
09:03 mtompset I'm thinking you, mtj.
09:04 mtj ah yep, sorry -  just spotted that...
09:05 mtj slef, hmm the email looks…… ok-ish to me? :/
09:05 mtj http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/017403.html
09:06 mtj … what am i missing here?
09:08 slef mtj: probably I am missing something. What does adding "xxxxxxxxxxx" achieve?
09:08 mtj well, apart from patch contents being gibbersh
09:08 slef right... that's what had me confused
09:08 mtj as the title says …'git bz test'
09:09 slef and I couldn't see how that patch tested git bz at all... it doesn't even make a file in t/ !
09:09 slef ;-)
09:09 slef time for more coffee
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09:10 slef mtompset: any idea where DateTime::TimeZone bites?
09:10 mtompset[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8780
09:10 huginn` Bug 8780: major, P1 - high, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone
09:11 mtompset Reading the change logs anything lower may be problem?
09:11 mtompset change logs for the library, that is.
09:11 wahanui mtompset: that doesn't look right
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09:12 mtompset that
09:12 mtompset that is
09:12 mtompset that i.
09:12 mtompset that is.
09:12 slef that?
09:12 mtompset Okay, whatever.
09:12 wahanui whatever is most appropriate for the situation.
09:12 mtompset wahanui: forget whatever
09:12 wahanui mtompset: I forgot whatever
09:13 mtompset hey
09:13 slef wahanui: the NO?
09:13 wahanui i don't know, slef
09:13 mtompset anyways... I think the lowered DateTime::TimeZone will solve that problem.
09:13 slef wahanui: the reason?
09:13 wahanui i guess the reason is i want to relearn about koha 3.2
09:13 * mtompset laughs.
09:13 mtompset 3.2?
09:13 wahanui 3.2 is a stable version and is not supposed to have entering a lot of new syspref
09:13 slef wahanui: the reason mtompset asks?
09:13 wahanui no idea, slef
09:14 slef wahanui: the script?
09:14 wahanui rumour has it the script is pretty non-OS specific
09:14 mtompset bots are crazy
09:14 mtompset bots?
09:14 wahanui bots are listed at
09:14 slef wahanui: clyiie's koha?
09:14 wahanui slef: no idea
09:15 slef wahanui: google's dns resolver?
09:15 wahanui i guess google's dns resolver is for example
09:15 mtompset Who is clyiie?
09:15 slef clyiie was (
09:15 mtompset is that the same person ask maxine2012?
09:16 mtompset (or whoever that was yesterday)
09:17 slef maxie2012
09:17 slef no idea
09:17 mtj slef, re: git-bz testing -> http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/038099.html
09:17 slef ca2adb72@ircip2.mibbit
09:17 slef so no, different hash
09:18 slef mtj: read that. Still didn't connect the dots...
09:19 slef mtj: could you get mlist from the repo config or the command-line, rather than hardcoding a koha-specific?
09:21 mtj yes, and there is a bunch of extra feature-creep around the patch
09:22 mtj i thought i'd start with something basic and functional - and add features if people were positive toward the patch
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09:24 mtj patches welcome, etc...
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09:43 drojf @later tell wajasu[…]-takes-pre-orders
09:43 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded.
09:56 magnuse huh, norway?
09:56 wahanui i heard norway was beautiful
09:56 magnuse yay!
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10:18 mtompset but the cotton candy sticks are more expensive that the raspberry pi's.
10:22 magnuse you bet, if there is a norwegian company behind them ;-)
10:23 mtompset I was reading this article in PC Buyer's Guide here in the Philippines about linux on a stick kind of machines.
10:23 mtompset[…]php?page=26&id=80
10:25 mtompset I thought the Rikomagic MK802 looked interesting.
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10:57 magnuse yay, all the bachelor students at the library education in oslo now have their own personal koha installations that they use during their training (based on the packages, of couse :-)
11:01 drojf koha_studies++ :)
11:04 drojf mtompset: the price is ridiculous, i had not seen it
11:05 drojf you could have a cluster of 5 raspberry pi for that money :D
11:05 drojf or 6 even
11:05 mtompset Yes, $199 is crazy... That's why the mk802 looks better. ;)
11:17 slef 2012-09-26 11:49:38 1TGRrd-0006gs-DV [] Connection refused
11:17 slef anyone else able to email koha@lists.katipo at the mo?
11:18 slef that's been happening since 2012-09-25 10:55:39 1TGRrd-0006gs-DV [] Connection refused
11:18 slef so more than a day now
11:21 drojf last email i see on the main list is almost 2 days old so i suppose it's not working for anybody
11:22 drojf slef: i could send one of these "test" emails that everybody loves if you like
11:23 mtompset Okay... I was wondering if I could get some debugging help.
11:23 mtompset This error message makes no sense.
11:23 mtompset [Wed Sep 26 14:03:50 2012] [error] [client] [Wed Sep 26 14:03:50 2012] Use of uninitialized value in lc at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 529.
11:24 mtompset Obviously something in renewscript is calling a function in, right?
11:24 mtompset C4::Context->preference("ReturnToShelvingCart")
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11:24 mtompset Is that the correct way to call it?
11:25 drojf seems like my network does not like me
11:25 slef drojf: or it's detecting you sending test emails? ;-)
11:25 slef drojf: could you try to telnet 25 # and see if it connects?
11:26 slef mtompset: is that the call in
11:26 mtompset Yes.
11:27 mtompset it's part of an if check.
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11:27 mtompset is it supposed to be -> and not ::?
11:28 mtompset duh... nevermind that was a dumb question.
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11:28 mtompset Yes it is supposed to be -> since otherwise it would think it is a library.
11:28 slef mtompset: are you sure that's the line? It's like you've called it without a parameter.
11:28 mtompset if ( C4::Context->preference("ReturnToShelvingCart") ) {
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11:29 mtompset That is just one line with the call,.
11:29 drojf slef: connection refused
11:29 mtompset if ( C4::Context->preference("In​ProcessingToShelvingCart") ) {
11:29 mtompset That's the other... both have a string defined.
11:29 slef drojf: yikes.
11:29 mtompset I get connection timeout./
11:29 slef mtj: are you still up?
11:29 mtompset I tried from a VM in Sinapore, and my VM on my local machine.
11:30 slef Anyone got a contact at katipo?
11:30 mtompset NZ is at 11:27PM.
11:30 mtompset isn't it?
11:30 mtompset Not likely anyone is there.
11:30 slef mail is handled by 10
11:30 drojf we could just move to that nice new webforum :P
11:31 slef drojf: is still up
11:31 * mtompset gives drojf the evil eye.
11:31 slef mtompset: yeah something like that, which is why personal contact would be better, if we can guess who might be awake
11:32 mtompset If they are awake, don't they love us enough to be here? ;)
11:32 slef doesn't exist
11:32 slef not everyone is as lovely as the co-op and y'all ;-)
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11:33 drojf i wonder if this is supposed to be a joke
11:33 drojf i mean my wifi
11:34 * slef picks a random off of
11:34 slef ah
11:34 slef sijobl: could you fix please?
11:34 slef @later tell sijobl could you fix please?
11:34 huginn` slef: The operation succeeded.
11:35 slef idle since 12 sep, but hey ho
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11:40 drojf %&§/(/& wifi
11:40 drojf back with a cable now
11:41 drojf why thank you, guy living in the appartment over mine, hammering noises are exactly what i was pondering regarding my headache.
11:41 * drojf hates this day
11:42 jcamins_away mtj: could you please merge in my changes to git-bz?
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11:43 mtompset Does blah::blah->new() get called if blah::blah->foo() is called?
11:44 jcamins_away Of course not.
11:44 mtompset just checking...
11:45 mtompset I'm trying to figure out why lc(shift) is generating an error log entry if a string is passed.
11:46 mtompset I'm assuming C4::Context->preference("blah") would pass a self reference as a the first parameter.
11:46 jcamins_away Yes.
11:47 jcamins_away In that case, it's a string, I think.
11:47 mtompset This error just makes no sense then.
11:48 mtompset Perhaps I should look at the referer page for ideas?
11:49 jcamins_away Maybe.
11:52 drojf mtompset: there are a number of checks in the koha on ubuntu / packages wikipage. is it safe to assume that if i have a fresh installation of ubuntu 12.04 (and koha with packages on top), i don't have to check for these things? (like locale, sax parser, mysql encoding etc)
11:53 jcamins_away drojf: it is, yes.
11:54 jcamins_away packages?
11:54 wahanui i heard packages was at
11:54 jcamins_away ^^ those are the instructions you should follow
11:54 drojf if that is enough it's perfect. i might do an installation session and i was wondering whether to restrict it to debian or allow ubuntu too
11:55 jcamins_away Yes. mtompset will be revising the Ubuntu instructions to make it clear that they are only for installing from the tarball.
11:56 drojf jcamins_away: there is a (longish) version for koha with packages already
11:56 mtompset I left them in for safety.
11:57 drojf jcamins_away:[…]ubuntu_-_packages
11:57 mtompset The default packages installation doesn't have all that stuff set the way the tarball instructions did.
11:57 drojf it's like 3x the text of the debian one. if the debian instructions are enough it's perfect
11:57 mtompset Yes, I've split the great wall of text.
11:58 jcamins_away I'll remove the parts that are unnecessary.
11:58 mtompset It has more example output.
11:58 jcamins_away And instructs you to do lots of things that aren't necessary.
11:59 mtompset The question which no one has the answer to is... why are those things not done in the packages?
11:59 mtompset They must have had a historical reason.
11:59 mtompset Why don't they apply now?
12:00 jcamins_away mtompset: the packages handle everything automatically.
12:00 drojf i assume because a) with a fresh installation it is alright b) it does not dare to screw up things that you set up for something else
12:01 mtompset Fine... I will trim out sections which are likely extra.
12:01 drojf oh look i have a ubuntu virtual machine for some reason. seems like trying it is not as far away as i thought
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12:02 drojf mtompset: can mediawiki have hidden text with an expand button or something. these test might be useful for someone installing on a machine that is used for other things already, but it's a lot of unneccessary text for everybody just doing a clean installation
12:03 drojf that was supposed to be a question… can mediawiki have hidden text with an expand button or something?
12:03 kf maybe have an extra page and link to it?
12:03 kf troubleshooting
12:03 kf do this... if you run into problems... look here
12:03 jcamins_away That makes sense.
12:03 mtompset There... sections cut out.
12:04 mtompset And yes, it is still longer, because I actually attempt to try to explain the pre-web install/web install step better.
12:04 mtompset Oh, and I have nicer upgrade and uninstall instructions. :P
12:05 jcamins_away Longer is fine.
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12:11 mtompset The biggest problem with the instructions is the networking portion involved, because people can't handle lynx.
12:11 mtompset I still use lynx, but tried to explain edit'ing /etc/hosts.
12:12 mtompset The debian instructions don't even try.
12:13 mtompset And I can understand why, but it's rather bothersome that we need a web interface to finish the last step.
12:13 mtompset I was bouncing the idea of a readline front end to a Test::WWW::Mechanize based script off tcohen yesterday.
12:19 jcamins_away If you are installing a server-based application for use over a network, I think it's safe to assume that there is a client somewhere.
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12:21 drojf i agree with jcamins_away, how would you not have a browser ready to test a entirely browser-based software? sounds strange to me
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12:26 mtompset drojf, because some librarian gets a static ip handed to him by his network admin, and doesn't have the names that he intended to work.
12:27 mtompset but the site is available via ip address.
12:27 mtompset and then you try to explain how to edit a windows hosts file.
12:27 mtompset and they can't do it.
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12:28 jcamins_away mtompset: then they need to talk to IT.
12:28 mtompset because they just don't understand.
12:28 mtompset That's what I told them to do.
12:29 jcamins_away Just like that bug I closed is not appropriate to bring to the Koha community, even though we might be able to solve it.
12:29 drojf i would think that if you have a network admin to hand you an ip address, you have someone to set up a hostfile on your windows machine too
12:30 mtompset not when the person is accessing the server via an VPN.
12:30 gaetan_B bye !
12:30 mtompset Bye, gaetan_B
12:30 mtompset bug closed?
12:30 oleonard Bug 8824
12:30 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED INVALID, use of windows 7, Firefox V15 and wireless level dns 10.58.2.X versus wired 192.168.x.x
12:30 jcamins_away mtompset: and I say in that situation I don't care because any help I try to give them is goin to make them *more* confused.
12:31 drojf there may always be some crazy scenario where one person not really capable of something has to do exactly that, but should we cover all that in instructions? then i would vote for one straight version without all that and a verbose one for those in need. having 8 pages of instructions when you only need half of it can really scare people away
12:31 mtompset Would it be possible that the packages have both 8080 and namedvirtualhosts working?
12:32 jcamins_away mtompset: if you wanted to set it up that way you could.
12:32 jcamins_away mtompset: you discuss that in your instructions.
12:32 mtompset If someone is doing a tarball, they likely have more computer expertise.
12:33 mtompset Not with packages.
12:33 jcamins_away Yes you do.[…]ial_Configuration
12:34 mtompset I suppose it is koha-create that generates the apache files?
12:35 jcamins_away Yes.
12:36 mtompset if you tried to go to without the 8080 for an intraport, will it default to the OPAC or use the 8080 virtualhost anyways?
12:36 jcamins_away What?
12:36 jcamins_away You can only access those hosts you configure. Apache isn't magical.
12:37 mtompset Actually, apache is slightly magical.
12:37 mtompset If you access via IP it defaults to the 80 port.
12:38 jcamins_away That's because the web browser uses port 80. Nothing to do with Apache.
12:39 mtompset so, if you have 80 OPAC and 8080 Intranet, named according... if you use just the name, will it do OPAC (which doesn't match the name), or will it use Intranet (which doesn't match the port), or will you get 404'd?
12:39 jcamins_away It will fall through to the OPAC.
12:39 jcamins_away *or* whatever the first-configured site on the same port is.
12:39 mtompset Right... first configured site on the same port.
12:41 mtompset So, if I wanted both namedvirtualhosts and 8080 setup. I'd either have to explain to the users how to tweak their apache file.
12:42 mtompset OR...
12:42 mtompset modify koha-create to generate a 8080 port regardless.
12:42 mtompset (which probably wouldn't make it live)
12:45 jcamins_away mtompset: yes, that is correct. But this would be a prime example of something that is not needed in the instructions.
12:45 tcohen @later tell paul_p to take a look at bug 8800 for 3.10 as it is a big problem
12:45 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:46 jcamins_away bug 8800
12:46 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
12:46 jcamins_away Ah.
12:48 tcohen thanks slef for the data
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12:49 oleonard Bug 8827
12:49 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8827 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , YUI CSS files no longer found on Yahoo servers
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13:05 tcohen so, dh-make-perl --build --cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil does it
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13:21 tcohen oleonard, that's almost instant bug fixing
13:23 * oleonard loves a good bug in the morning
13:23 kf oleonard++ #being awesome
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13:27 magnuse yeah oleonard++
13:29 oleonard Thanks guys
13:29 Barrc hey all - should DOM and grs-1 filters result in the same index set? That is, suppose I build an index using DOM and a clone using grs-1 - should then results screens be identical in Koha?
13:29 tcohen frget about obama or romney, oleonard for president
13:30 oleonard Ugh, talk about a job I would not take!
13:30 oleonard I hear presidents don't have time to write patches for Koha
13:30 tcohen hehe
13:31 drojf oleonard: i hear none of them has tried yet :P
13:31 mtompset If one of them did... would you vote for them? ;)
13:31 tcohen what's the difference of cherry-picking and applying a patch?
13:32 mtompset I think the latter requires an extra step (creating the patch)
13:32 oleonard cherry-picking allows you to pull a commit from the middle of another branch without having a patch
13:33 tcohen could cleanly apply my patch for 8800 in 3.8.x but cherry picking worked
13:33 tcohen s/could/couldn't/
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13:36 tcohen example contrab file. Also said I'll try to provide a patch to fix
13:36 tcohen that. I'm not in denial of what you say.
13:36 tcohen I belive you take our comments about the problem you encountered too
13:36 tcohen personal. We've just read your emails, and used what we've seen before
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13:36 tcohen to give you some advise. I cannot speak for the rest of the devs, but
13:36 tcohen I feel that problems the users have challenge my knowledge and I spend
13:36 tcohen a lot of time trying to solve them and making Koha better for the
13:37 tcohen non-tech user. It has nothing to do with you or trying to refute your
13:37 tcohen comments specifically."
13:37 mtompset Oops... ;)
13:37 drojf tcohen++ # for trying
13:39 nengard can somoene help me understand how to document bug 7621  ? I don't understand what FSK and PEGI are in the examples - are they item types? Collections? Something else completely?
13:39 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
13:41 tcohen oleonard,mtompset: should I provide a patch for 3.8 of bug 8800? Or just let rangi cherry pick it then?
13:42 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
13:42 drojf nengard: FSK is a rating  (from germany), like MPAA rating for movies
13:42 mtompset I'd say if it doesn't apply cleanly, make a patch up.
13:42 mtompset Better to err on the side of caution.
13:42 oleonard rangi will usually try to apply the patch for master and will ask for a new one if it doesn't apply
13:43 nengard drojf, so I'm entering the rating in the 521a
13:43 oleonard ...bit if you know it doesn't apply...
13:43 nengard but then what, this confuses me FSK|PEGI|Age|
13:43 nengard so if my 521$a  =  PG 13  what do I set the preference to?
13:44 tcohen the patch doesn't apply, but cherry-picking does
13:44 drojf nengard: have to read the actual bug shortly
13:44 nengard :)
13:44 tcohen ok, I'll provide that patch as well
13:44 mtompset nengard: there's a wiki for it.
13:44 mtompset[…]i/Age_restriction
13:45 nengard mtompset sorry that still doesn't help me
13:45 nengard It does not say if 521 = X then the preference should = Y
13:45 nengard I don't understand the link between the two
13:45 kf FSK is an abbreviation for some sort of age limit here - I guess you would have to add one for PG?
13:45 nengard and if I don't then those reading the manual won't if I just copy that page to the manual
13:46 nengard kf - add it where?
13:47 nengard What I need is someone to break it down for me as if I had never used Koha or cataloged anything before
13:47 mtompset PEGI is a game rating system, sort of like E, M, T.
13:47 mtompset Can't help with that, sorry. :(
13:48 nengard Right, I don't need to worry too much about the rating systems, I care about how to use the preference and how to document it for the new Koha users
13:50 kf hm mveron is not here right now
13:50 drojf nengard: i think it's more of a hard age limit based on the actual age of a borrower, matched to 521$1. what i am not sure about is the "AgeRestrictionMarker", is that matched to someting like 521$2 (which i think would mark what system is used)? only using the wiki atm
13:52 kf hm, I think you have a | separated list of prefixes you want ti to look for
13:52 kf in the column you mapped the agerestriction field to
13:52 kf and then catalog  it with prefix <age> in that field
13:53 kf to trigger the warning in circ
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14:02 mtompset Is there a way to show the barcode in the OPAC search results?
14:02 tcohen edit your XSLT's
14:04 tcohen the thing is you wil have more than one barcode right?
14:04 tcohen (you 'might')
14:05 jcamins Barrc: no.
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14:05 tcohen oleonard, i've seen recently that some files where 'moved' in the sense that git is aware fo that move thing
14:06 nengard kf, that's what it looks like, but I'm not sure I know what to put in the preference ?
14:06 drojf nengard: FSK uses just the age (as a number) for rating, like "FSK 12" means it is suitable for people of 12 or more years of age. PEGI does the same. i think the label (fsk, pegi) ist deleted from 521$a and then the rest (the numbers) are used to match to the borrowers age. after checking with LOC, its is 521$b that should have the source (like FSK) but i guss that is not in the scope of your question
14:06 tcohen do u know how can one tell git to generate patches that 'move' things around instead of deleting/creating?
14:06 mtompset one barcode per item.
14:07 jcamins tcohen: git mv. Unfortunately, there's no way I know of to put that in a patch without removing and creating.
14:07 nengard drojf, I think I understand how to use the 521 part of this .. just not sure what the preference should look like if the 521 has something like FSK 12
14:08 tcohen but, with the last move of you (or was jquery?) when I git pull it told me some files where moved
14:08 nengard Is it maybe all of the prefixes and then the age limit
14:08 tcohen s/you/yui/
14:08 jcamins tcohen: yes, it recognizes that.
14:08 nengard and how do you put multiple limits
14:09 tcohen so, would it be possible to re-organize the koha source tree in a same way without loosing the history of each line?
14:09 jcamins tcohen: why would we want to do that?
14:09 tcohen sorry, my typing is really bad (at least) today
14:10 tcohen s/same/sane/
14:10 jcamins Ohhh.
14:10 jcamins Hm.
14:10 jcamins I'm not sure what directory structure would be sane.
14:11 tcohen src/intranet
14:11 tcohen /opac
14:11 tcohen /lib
14:11 tcohen templates/intranet-tmpl
14:11 tcohen /opac-tmpl
14:11 tcohen and so on?
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14:11 jcamins Ah.
14:11 jcamins Hm.
14:11 jcamins Not sure it would be worth it.
14:11 tcohen not sure if its perfect, but at least it makes sense
14:12 jcamins It does make more sense.
14:12 drojf nengard: i think for using the function of the patch, you would enable it and if  521 matches one of the abbreviations specified in the syspref, the origin (like "FSK" or "PEGI") would be ignored, the bumber part used to check the age limit. in the case of these restrictions, it is not possibe to have more than one. "FSK 12" means from 12 on, "FSK 16" means from 16 on. if it is "FSK 12" it is implied to be "FSK 16" too, there is only one rating in that
14:13 libsysguy tcohen perhaps you could do a git mv?
14:13 libsysguy so you still retain the history of the file
14:13 libsysguy and the move itself
14:14 libsysguy but i'm not sure what is hardcoded as far as paths go
14:14 nengard So let's say I have a movie with FSK 12 and another with FSK 16 ? I set  the prefernece to FSK|16 does that mean that the 12 year olds can take out the FSK 16?
14:14 libsysguy and you'd probably have to do a rebuild
14:14 tcohen i was thinking about Paul's email, and how complicated are the install scripts in taking *some* files from *some* dirs and putting them together in another dir...
14:14 nengard am I making this harder than it has to be? Or do you see my confusion?
14:15 tcohen libsysguy, yes that's what I was thinking of addressing
14:15 tcohen I'm not sure if it is worth the trouble
14:15 tcohen but will give it a try
14:15 libsysguy we'll you'd certainly piss a lot of users off that use git
14:15 libsysguy and im not sure how jenkins would behave
14:16 tcohen hmm, git users that have a -dev setup?
14:16 tcohen didn't think about htat
14:16 kf nengard: I think it checks for older than
14:16 jcamins tcohen: it's not that complicated if you don't do dumb things like editing the files after they've been installed.
14:17 kf nengard: it does not have to be the exact age, only the age it is allowed to or older
14:17 jcamins If you do things that are a bad idea, *of course* you're going to run into problems.
14:17 tcohen jcamins, i'll try and let you know
14:17 libsysguy but users have already been advised against that
14:17 drojf nengard: you have one 521 per biblio. when a patron wants to check out an item, it has a 521 (from the biblio) which is checked against the age of that certain patron that wants to borrow the item. at least that is what i think it does
14:18 kf drojfI think you are right
14:18 nengard Right, that part I get, but if I have two bibs with different levels ?.
14:18 kf all the items get checked against one 521
14:18 kf nengard: sorry, I don't understand the problem :(
14:18 nengard In my example I meant if Bib record A has FSK 12 and bib record B has FSK 16
14:19 nengard what do I put in the preference as my age restriction?
14:19 kf if you have an item for a bib with FSK 12 - the user has to be 12 or older, if you check out another item from another big with FSK 16 - the user has to be 16 or older
14:19 kf FSK
14:19 nengard If I put 16 in there then the 12 year olds can get the item
14:19 kf you only give the prefix as I read the example
14:19 kf in the pref
14:19 nengard But the preference example says FSK|PEGI|Age
14:19 nengard what is 'Age'
14:20 kf I think it means that yu could probably only put in 16 thee
14:20 kf and it would still work
14:20 kf I can't test as I don#t have master accessible right now - but it should be quick to determine
14:20 nengard would it? do we know if it's using the age in the 521 or the age in the preference?  :)
14:20 kf it's using the age in the record
14:20 kf it would make no sense to have it in the pref :)
14:21 kf not even in switzerland (sorry mveron mbalmer, couldn't resist)
14:21 drojf nengard: yes, it throws away "FSK" or "PEGI" from 521$a and used the age (number) that stays
14:21 nengard okay
14:21 nengard I'll give this a shot and see if I can document this
14:22 nengard thanks for all the back and forth kf and drojf - sometimes I need to talk through things
14:22 drojf nengard: try to summon mveron for more information
14:22 drojf if needed
14:22 drojf (i hope we got his feature right ;) )
14:23 jcamins mveron. mveron. mveron.
14:23 jcamins (in case he's like Beetlejuice)
14:23 nengard @later tell mveron I might need some help figuring out how to document the feature introduced in bug 7621, I'm not sure I know what the relationship between the preference and the marc record are or what to put in the preference for 'Age' I'm going to do some testing, but if you have more thorogh documentation I'd love to see it
14:23 huginn` nengard: The operation succeeded.
14:23 nengard jcamins I have one for you too :)
14:24 nengard AuthDisplayHierarchy
14:24 nengard my authorities might just be crap, but I'm not see anything but one level of hierarchy when I turn this on
14:24 nengard can you give me a sample authority to use?
14:24 kf nengard: I have a catalouging example and a screenshot on the bug for yu :)
14:25 nengard well jcamins didn't include a bug number in his database update line :) so I didn't go look at the bug yet :)
14:25 jcamins nengard: bug 8211
14:25 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add "subject (broader)," "subject (narrower)," and "subject (related)" options for search
14:25 jcamins No.
14:25 jcamins Bug 8523?
14:25 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC
14:25 jcamins I cannot. The authorities have to be linked by authid.
14:25 nengard oo boy ? mine does not look like that at all
14:25 nengard in fact mine isn't even linked
14:26 jcamins nengard: right, they generally won't be.
14:26 kf nengard: I created the sample records myself
14:26 kf it was easy
14:26 kf with the new plugin
14:26 jcamins This was a UNIMARC-only feature for five years.
14:26 nengard so the Marc21 part isn't as robust yet?
14:26 kf it's the same, but if you reimport records they get new authids
14:27 jcamins nengard: no, it's just as robust now.
14:27 kf or even more robust than before I think? the display it's much nicer
14:27 kf is much nicer
14:27 jcamins However, no one is going to have data for it because for five years there was no option.
14:27 jcamins Use the see also (5xx) plugin to add links.
14:27 kf you can use my screenshot if you want
14:28 jcamins Or use kf's screenshot. That makes sense, too.
14:28 kf but it's a german example :(
14:28 jcamins More sense, actually, as it saves you work.
14:28 kf basically I did a geographical one
14:28 kf germany - state baden-württemberg - city Konstanz - quarter Fürstenberg
14:29 * jcamins doesn't really know why someone would use it other than geographic authorities.
14:29 jcamins Oooh.
14:29 jcamins We should add a link using bug 8211 to the authority details screen
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14:29 kf jcamins: genealogy?
14:29 kf father / daughter / family trees!
14:29 jcamins kf: genealogy?
14:30 jcamins Broader/narrower? :P
14:30 kf well, not with that terms, but it would work :)
14:30 jcamins Okay, yeah
14:31 kf or
14:31 kf well
14:31 kf topical could work well too
14:31 kf like
14:31 kf biology
14:31 jcamins zoology, spiderology?
14:31 jcamins Good point. :)
14:31 kf and have narrower genetics, ... and others I can't translate right now
14:31 kf yep those
14:31 * jcamins made up spiderology.
14:32 kf I was tempted to do animalogy
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14:40 mtompset spiderology is cooler. ;)
14:40 mtompset jcamins++ # plus points for the creativity. ;)
14:44 mtompset Is it possible for a library to have no barcodes?
14:44 jcamins Of course.
14:44 jcamins Most of mine do.
14:44 jcamins Do not.
14:45 mtompset Okay, so a patch to display barcodes in the OPAC search results would really only need to display barcodes if there were barcodes.
14:45 jcamins And wouldn't be accepted, right.
14:45 jcamins See the last three times people tried to change the OPAC to show the barcode.
14:46 mtompset Why wasn't it accepted?
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14:46 jcamins Because most people don't want barcode displayed.
14:47 SJeffery Even if it is a configurable option that is off by default?
14:47 jcamins SJeffery: that would be acceptable. The last three attempts were all "always on"-type modifications.
14:48 nengard jcamins, i'm testing the authority import in master and it's frozen
14:48 nengard and the list of processes on my server doesn't show it running anymore
14:48 nengard it did work the first time I tested it ? last week I think
14:48 jcamins nengard: your javascript was out of date. Go to the manage MARC import screen.
14:48 nengard it's not there
14:49 jcamins And it's not running?
14:49 jcamins Weird.
14:49 nengard but the one I did on the 20th is there
14:49 nengard It is stuck at processing
14:49 nengard on the browser
14:49 nengard and the process is not running anymore on the server
14:49 nengard what has changed for me since the 20th is that I upgraded to mountain lion ? but don't think that's it
14:49 jcamins When I imported authorities yesterday it worked.
14:50 nengard hmmm
14:50 jcamins Actually, it was two days ago.
14:50 jcamins Monday.
14:50 * jcamins can eventually figure out what the calendar says.
14:50 nengard heh
14:51 nengard well i did pull down new updates to master yesterday
14:51 nengard so maybe something broke it yesterday
14:51 jcamins Right, but I didn't think there was anything new since Monday.
14:51 nengard here's what happens ?
14:51 nengard 1. browse for file
14:52 nengard 2. change type to authority
14:52 nengard 3. don't look for matches
14:52 nengard 4. click button
14:52 nengard server says :  www-data  1915  0.0  3.3 109904 24300 ?        R    10:43   0:00 /usr/bin/perl /home/nengard/kohaclone/tool​s/
14:52 nengard 1 minute later that line is gone from the processes, but the browser still says it's processing
14:53 nengard same process with a bib record finishes in no time
14:53 jcamins Hmmm... mtj didn't tidy that file for perlcritic, did he?
14:53 nengard iono
14:54 jcamins He did.
14:54 jcamins Okay... file a new bug, and link the one you reported yesterday to it with see also.
14:54 jcamins That will allow me to quickly identify what the problem is when I get a chance to fix it tonight.
14:55 jcamins Probably I hadn't updated master on Monday.
14:55 nengard okey dokey
14:57 nengard done
14:58 jcamins Thanks.
15:00 jcamins I hate debugging
15:02 jcamins I wish we did *real* AJAX for that.
15:04 slef all AJAX is hell
15:04 slef whether real or fake
15:04 slef KISS
15:05 oleonard AJAX, used properly, helps us keep things simple for the user
15:05 jcamins slef: yes, but the way we do it is worse.
15:06 slef oleonard: rarely simpler in use, often harder to debug.
15:06 * oleonard eagerly awaits jcamins' implementation of
15:06 jcamins The "fork and throw out all debug information to /dev/null" option is rarely superior.
15:07 jcamins Alas, that's the option we went with for import. :(
15:07 slef yeah, forking's best avoided with web too :-/
15:08 slef and if you must fork, redirecting debug into to /dev/null instead of the logs is almost certainly wrong
15:08 slef fun fun fun
15:08 slef stuff like that is why I want to chew people's legs off sometimes
15:08 kf eew
15:09 slef maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?
15:09 slef kitten kebabs!
15:09 slef if I wasn't so busy, I'd get GIMP to make a graphic of that
15:09 kf I am not sure I want dinner today now
15:10 slef Sorry
15:10 slef I'm writing election addresses
15:10 slef I think it is best to be positive in them
15:10 slef but that means that the vitriol has to go somewhere else.
15:11 slef After all, isn't part of the reason anyone stands for election to try to fix what they think is broken?
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15:12 slef If you thought everything was going brilliant, you'd probably not stand for election and just let those who are doing it get on with it.
15:12 slef *shrug*
15:12 jcamins slef: well, that and a belief that there are opportunities for bribery and graft.
15:12 slef jcamins: arf!
15:13 kf slef: you stand of for election?
15:13 chris_n politicians motivated by money?!! perish the thought! they're all pure and innocent aren't they?
15:13 slef jcamins: you can try to bribe me if you like. Let's call it a campaign contribution.  Then I'll probably forget and do what I was going to do anyway, then what you gonna do?
15:13 kf for what?
15:13 kf and sorry for my english today, my brain is not working
15:14 slef kf: One of 50 ordinary consumer-members to attend national meetings. Pretty low-power.
15:15 kf :)
15:15 * druthb would never describe slef as "ordinary"
15:15 kf nope
15:15 slef kf: but: it gets me to the national meetings, which can be useful for various reasons; and it gets me visible to the local meetings if I want to stand for election to a higher-power local post next summer.
15:15 kf well definitely not after the previous kitten comment
15:15 slef bwahaha
15:16 slef druthb: yeah well sometimes they call it "ordinary" and sometimes "active" but what they really mean is "not elected to anything else"
15:16 jcamins drojf: also, "probably not worth bribing." :)
15:16 druthb @later tell eythian Unicorn is nothing more or less than an earlier version of Symphony.  The same API will work for extracting circ data, or use the "List Charges" report with XML output if you don't have shell access.
15:16 huginn` druthb: The operation succeeded.
15:16 jcamins *druthb
15:19 slef jcamins: damn you ;)
15:20 jcamins slef: just calling it like I see it. :P
15:20 slef jcamins: what, you don't want to bribe one of the biggest shareholders of the UK's fifth largest food retailer?
15:21 jwagner @quote add <slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?
15:21 huginn` jwagner: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
15:21 slef (no-one owns more shares in it than I do)
15:21 jcamins slef: n shares per member?
15:22 jwagner @quote add <slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?
15:22 huginn` jwagner: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
15:22 jwagner Grump.
15:22 slef jcamins: 1 member 1 share AFAIK
15:26 wajasu oooh cloning from git timed out.
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15:29 mtompset @quote add <slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?
15:29 huginn` mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
15:29 mtompset Registered with huggin`, I guess.
15:30 * SJeffery just got back from a trip to the Library of Congress and is feeling all librarian-ish today.
15:32 mtompset @quote add <slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?
15:32 huginn` mtompset: The operation succeeded.  Quote #217 added.
15:32 mtompset There we go, jwagner. :)
15:32 oleonard On acqui/, why does it say "Quantity received: 0" when I have previously added 3 items?
15:32 jwagner I keep identifying and huginn never remembers me. I think it doesn't like me....
15:33 oleonard I see the items on the record, so I know they're there.
15:33 jcamins oleonard: I think it only tells you how many have been received that session?
15:34 oleonard Hm, I guess that makes sense in the context that the "Quantity to receive" field shows the number of items I need to receive, *having already received X number of items*
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15:40 jcamins oleonard: do we already have the progressbar in our jQueryUI file?
15:41 oleonard I can't remember if the patch I submitted which included it was pushed yet
15:41 jcamins oleonard: incidentally, did I tell you the API change in jQuery I was cursing turned out to be a workaround for a misconfigured server?
15:42 oleonard No, nor do I remember you cursing anything
15:42 jcamins Well, I was tearing my hair over a change in the jQuery AJAX API for cross-site requests.
15:43 jcamins The code worked on the latest jQuery but not older versions.
15:43 jcamins It turns out the code was correct for all versions, but the newer version included a workaround for if the remote server was misconfigured.
15:44 oleonard That's very... specific.
15:44 jcamins Yes. And unexpected.
15:44 jcamins Generally my feeling is that it is not the client's responsibility to deal with a server that hasn't been set up right.
15:45 jcamins Apparently a jQuery developer disagrees.
15:45 oleonard Oh, I submitted a follow-up patch to Bug 7067 which includes Progressbar, but that's not likely to go in soon.
15:45 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
15:45 oleonard biab
15:46 nengard jcamins what is the command line way to import authorities?
15:46 nengard -a file /home/nengard/authorities.mrc -v
15:46 nengard isn't working
15:46 jcamins Really?
15:46 nengard $ -a file /home/nengard/authorities.mrc -v
15:46 nengard bash: command not found
15:46 jcamins Oh.
15:46 jcamins Yes, you have to run the script.
15:47 jcamins misc/migration_tools/
15:47 jcamins Also, -file not file
15:47 nengard ~/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools$ -a -file /home/nengard/authorities.mrc -v
15:47 nengard bash: command not found
15:49 jcamins You need to run the script. Use ./ if you're in the directory, or just run it using perl.
15:49 nengard perl -a -file /home/nengard/authorities.mrc -v
15:49 nengard worked
15:49 tcohen can anyone tell me how to add some ,deb in a debian repo created following[…]g_Debian_Packages ?
15:50 jcamins tcohen: you mean you want to add the deb *to* a repo?
15:50 jcamins Or *from* a repo?
15:51 tcohen I want to add *some* missing perl libs to a repo I created with *some* patches applied
15:51 jcamins Okay, so you don't have the repo yet, and you want it.
15:51 jcamins Well, darn. The guide I like is no longer online.
15:51 tcohen I almost have the repo, using that wiki as reference
15:52 jcamins[…]
15:52 tcohen just need to add some extra .deb files I created using dh-make-perl
15:53 jcamins dput *.changes
15:53 jcamins dput {reponame} *.changes
15:53 jcamins Sorry.
15:53 jcamins Always forget that.
15:54 tcohen thanks
15:57 tcohen jcamins, it wont add perl dependencies but only push the koha-common deb right?
15:58 jcamins tcohen: it will only add koha and koha-common if you specify the koha-whatever.changes file.
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15:58 jcamins You should be running dput {reponame} changesfile.changes for each package you want to add.
15:58 tcohen ok, understood
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16:03 wajasu what repo software do you use to build/host your debian repo?  i was thinking of building a local one.
16:03 jcamins reprepro.
16:03 jcamins Only way to go.
16:03 wajasu thx
16:04 jcamins (I mean, there are other options, but don't take them, they're not as pleasant)
16:04 jcamins There should be a git repo for the deb repo configuration.
16:04 jcamins Also, I should merge my changes into mtj's git-bz.
16:05 wajasu saves me the pain.  i'll revist later when i get around to it.  maybe you will have it merged by then.
16:08 jcamins Merged.
16:10 jcamins <-- if anyone cares
16:10 jcamins @later tell mtj has your changes merged in
16:10 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
16:12 reiveune bye
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16:14 oleonard jcamins++
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16:14 oleonard So do you do "git bz -e -m" ?
16:15 harit Can i customize koha online catalog webpage
16:15 jcamins oleonard: --mail I think.
16:16 wajasu jcamins++
16:26 oleonard Does the sample data now include an ACQ framework?
16:29 oleonard Looks like it doesn't. Should it?
16:30 jcamins oleonard: I would think so.
16:30 * oleonard commands that it be so
16:31 * oleonard checks
16:31 oleonard Shoot, that never works.
16:40 nengard acquisitions question - why is the tax rate a pull down now? how do I enter a tax rate in that field?
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16:41 mtj jcamins, oleonard  either  --mail or -m
16:41 jcamins mtj: do you ever sleep?
16:42 mtj parser.add_option("-m", "--mail", action="store_true", help="send email")
16:43 mtj yeah, i sometimes get up in the wee hours and pfaff
16:45 cait hi again #koha
16:45 mtj oh wow, my git-bz was missing paul's git-am -3 patch (i pulled mine from slefs repo)
16:48 mtj jcamins, nice!  i'll pull yr gitbz changes later
16:48 jcamins mtj: thanks.
16:48 jcamins At some point I also want to add "taking" the bug.
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16:57 oleonard Oh, were we looking for examples of AJAX badly handled? I think if your AJAX function includes a "success" function but no "fail" function that counts.
16:58 jcamins oleonard: if a failure can safely be ignored, I don't see a problem with that.
16:58 oleonard *if*
16:59 oleonard The grey area is where failure seems so unlikely.
16:59 jcamins Where does failure matter but not get checked?
16:59 oleonard I'm looking at which uses AJAX to load a copy of the additem form
17:00 oleonard It seems very unlikely that it would not succeed, but what happens if it doesn't? The user gets no entry form and no clue
17:02 cait oleonard: I agree with you :)
17:02 cait it's evil
17:02 cait ;)
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17:05 oleonard cait: On the other hand, all we can do is say "Sorry, couldn't load the form. Go do something else for a while"
17:06 SJeffery That is better than nothing.
17:07 cait oleonard: well... yes
17:11 jcamins Wow.
17:13 cait jcamins: hm?
17:13 cait you can't just say wow and then stop
17:13 jcamins cait: give it a minute.
17:13 cait bug 8824
17:13 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , use of windows 7, Firefox V15 and wireless level dns 10.58.2.X versus wired 192.168.x.x
17:15 jcamins cait: do you have a better word for it?
17:15 cait not really
17:15 cait maybe.. argh?
17:15 oleonard Oh no, not Network World!
17:16 jcamins ^^ good call. *That* is what you say to it.
17:25 mtj troll-of-teh-week++
17:27 cait mtj: you should sleep sometimes, you know that, right? :)
17:27 mtj i have been asleep, i just got up
17:28 slef mtj: can you nudge katipo to fix lists.katipo please?
17:29 slef they'll love it at this time of the morning :)
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17:30 mtj yep, will do this morning
17:31 jcamins What's wrong with
17:31 slef jcamins: refusing connections
17:31 jcamins slef: ooh, that's a problem.
17:32 maximep wow, 8824 made my day
17:32 slef that's been happening since 2012-09-25 10:55:39 1TGRrd-0006gs-DV [] Connection refused
17:32 slef bug 8824
17:32 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , use of windows 7, Firefox V15 and wireless level dns 10.58.2.X versus wired 192.168.x.x
17:33 jcamins You know what I dislike? The way we use hyphens instead of en dashes for dates in authorities.
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17:45 * oleonard asks jcamins to back down on the inflammatory nature of his strong words re:hyphens
17:45 jcamins oleonard: are you telling me it isn't just *jarring*?
17:47 oleonard I don't actually have an opinion :)
17:47 jcamins oleonard: go look at a heading with dates. I'll wait.
17:47 jcamins Don't you now feel jarred?
17:47 * oleonard climbs back into his chair
17:48 jcamins Exactly!
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17:53 tcohen jcamins, do your script send mails or something if run without other parameters than the version?
18:00 bornie21 hie I wanted to ask whether it is possible to import patron data directly into mysql database.
18:01 jcamins koha migration toolbox?
18:01 wahanui koha migration toolbox is
18:01 jcamins bornie21: yes, and there's a script for it in there ^^
18:01 jcamins There's also a patron import tool, I think.
18:02 bornie21 Ok thanx but i also wanted to ask about passwords for the patrons. Do I leave them blank or create dummies
18:02 jcamins Either way.
18:02 wahanui either way is workable though imho
18:03 bornie21 Great thanx
18:10 tcohen jcamins, your script passes the branch as distribution?
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18:12 oleonard
18:17 jcamins_away tcohen, by default. The e-mail is only sent if explicitly requested.
18:18 tcohen so --branch precise is expected for precise ?
18:18 jcamins_away If you want it srt up like that.
18:19 jcamins_away I prefer meaningful diat names.
18:19 tcohen its just that I undesrstood that -D= or --distribution is what is passed to pbuilder as the debian distribution
18:19 jcamins_away Will push reprepro config in an hour.
18:20 jcamins_away Yes, exactly right.
18:20 jcamins_away train is here.
18:20 tcohen bye!
18:33 wajasu libsysguy:  i wanted to write a test for Koha::Schema of  bug 8728.  I went to apply the patches and the third one 'Updated-to-remove-tabs.patch'  failed to apply.  Maybe we should get khall to regen one.
18:33 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8728 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , t/db_dependent/Reserve.t test doesn't use resdate and expdate arguments for AddReserve
18:33 wajasu i mean bug 8798
18:33 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class
18:33 libsysguy maybe wajasu
18:34 khall I may have managed to screw it up somehow. Try deprecating my so'ed one and reinstate his original.
18:36 wajasu ok. i'll try his original.
18:37 wajasu if it works, i'll sign it off.
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18:53 wajasu ok. applied the signed off.  no to my attempt to write a test.
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19:14 oleonard Hi gary_
19:16 gary_ hi there oleonard
19:17 gary_ any chance someone could help me with a problem related to bug 8497?
19:17 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8497 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Strange behavior when modifying the 'timeout' system preference.
19:17 oleonard I can advise you not to use the "days" option
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19:18 gary_ um... to late :(
19:18 cait gary_: did you lock yourself out?
19:18 gary_ more or less
19:18 oleonard gary_: Do you have access to MySQL?
19:18 cait do you have access to the database by chance?
19:18 cait hehe
19:18 cait oleonard++
19:18 oleonard cait++
19:18 gary_ I do but I'm not savvy with mysql so I don't know how to edit it manually
19:19 gary_ i'm just a librarian and a sunny day computer geek
19:19 cait it's not really hard
19:19 cait how can you access myswl? command line or using a tool?
19:19 gary_ hehe, says you cait
19:20 gary_ command line
19:20 cait ok
19:20 cait so lock into mysql and do... (1 sec)
19:22 cait select * from systempreferences where variable like "timeout";
19:23 gary_ cait: putting this in a text file to take to work tomorrow.. system is not online yet
19:23 cait oh
19:24 cait ok
19:24 cait that should just give you the line
19:24 cait the next thing you would want is to update the value
19:24 gary_ ok, i'm with you so far
19:24 gary_ makes sense
19:25 cait hm
19:25 cait wait a sec
19:26 cait yeah but I made amistake
19:26 cait :) let me get it right
19:26 gary_ ok, i'm patient
19:28 cait oook :)
19:28 cait select * from systempreferences where variable = "timeout"
19:28 cait ;
19:29 cait not like, but = - that just outputs
19:29 cait now to update
19:29 gary_ k, got it
19:30 cait update systempreferences set value = 12000001 where variable = "timeout";
19:30 cait the original value in my database from installing koha was 12000000
19:30 cait I updated it by one, checking I tell you the right thing
19:31 cait but if you are supported by a vendor - maybe worth asking them to do it for you
19:32 oleonard Great minds think alike... I also have a timeout of 12000001 now :)
19:32 gary_ nope, no vendor, it's all commando
19:33 gary_ cait, so after update, that's the trick and it should be back to default +1?
19:33 cait you can reset it to 12000001 too
19:33 cait it probably has some numer with d at the end now
19:34 cait which is the problem as this doesn't work so well
19:34 gary_ correct
19:34 gary_ it's like it ignores the d and logs me out every 2 seconds
19:34 cait it may do that - I think there is a bug somewhere :(
19:35 jcamins @later tell tcohen[…]e/master/reprepro
19:35 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
19:35 gary_ thank you all so much. I'll give it a go tomorrow and hopefully be able to get to work
19:36 jcamins Why don't we just remove the canned reports? They don't work.
19:37 oleonard No argument from me jcamins, but since people are actively submitting patches to change them someone must be using them
19:37 cait jcamins: I agree too... but I think we should better fix them
19:37 jcamins Fair enough.
19:37 cait they do offer some functionality we don't have in the other reports *sigh*
19:38 jcamins cait: yeah, fixing would be better, but someone would need to do that.
19:38 cait I fixed some in the past...
19:38 cait well a bit
19:38 mbalmer I will slowly start to collect a list of figures that are interested to run Koha on PostgreSQL.  Send folks my way.
19:40 drojf :)
19:47 mbalmer hmm.
19:48 mbalmer maybe sth I should rather ask on the mailing lists than here.
19:49 oleonard What will you do with your list mbalmer?
19:50 mbalmer A change to PostgreSQL will only hapen if enough people want it.  And that has to be found out first.
19:50 oleonard You mean if enough people fund it?
19:51 mbalmer Maybe even if enough people want it.
19:53 oleonard I would think there are incremental improvements that can be done towards db-agnosticism
19:53 mbalmer but fighting windmillls makes no sense.
19:53 rambutan I think PostgreSQL support is a good thing: (1) backup to MySQL if a truck hits it (2) many people _claim_ it's more secure, reliable and scalable (3) work to support PostgreSQL may work to promote database agnosticism
19:53 mbalmer and db-agnosticism makes no sense either.
19:53 oleonard No sense?!
19:53 mbalmer no.
19:54 cait mbalmer: I tihnk than you are talking about a fork
19:54 cait we need a way to continue support for mysql
19:54 cait even if more and more people switch over to something else over time
19:54 oleonard mbalmer the only way you'll get support for adding Postgres is if you support db-agnosticism
19:54 mbalmer for any real application you have to choose the DB.  else you can not take advantage of the specific offerings.
19:55 * oleonard builds his windmill opposite mbalmer's
19:55 mbalmer oleonard, that is not my goal.  If at all, I want to use advanced features of PostgreSQL.  Or, as an option, leave that and stay with MySQL.
19:56 * jcamins ignores windmills, considers having a cookie.
19:56 cait mmh cookies
19:57 oleonard I agree with cait, it sounds like you're talking about a fork mbalmer
19:57 mbalmer certainly not.
19:58 mbalmer a fork of koha would not be fruitful.
19:58 oleonard Then it sounds like you're going to push Postgres as the only option until everyone agrees with you.
19:58 mbalmer staying with MySQL isn't either ;) (my personal opinion, ymmv)
19:59 mbalmer oleonard, I push nothing.
19:59 mbalmer I use Koha as is.
19:59 * mtj looking forward to DBIx being pushed...
19:59 mbalmer I return to development of Koha once it has changed the DB.
20:00 jcamins mtj: me too!
20:00 oleonard mbalmer: We'll call you when it happens.
20:00 mbalmer until that day I will happily run and support it as is.
20:00 mtj postgres and DBIx, that would be great!
20:01 rambutan Firebird!
20:01 wahanui firebird is a really great database because they have the prettiest web site of any db.
20:01 jcamins mtj: SQLite + DBIx!
20:01 mbalmer oleonard, you are a hypocrite… ;)
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20:02 jcamins mbalmer: no, I think he was being serious. You'll be the first (outside of the people involved) to know when a decision is made to jettison support for existing Koha libraries.
20:03 drojf popcorn. get your popcorn here. mypopcorn and postgrespopcorn, your choice
20:03 * drojf hides
20:03 jcamins rambutan: the only thing I know about Firebird is that they had already claimed the name that Firefox wanted.
20:03 jcamins drojf: which has caramel?
20:03 oleonard jcamins: And since then, nothing
20:03 drojf jcamins: you need caramelpopcorn then. it's not popcorn agnostic
20:04 jcamins drojf: awww.
20:04 jcamins Kettle corn?
20:04 drojf jcamins: but it has nice extra features! :)
20:05 rambutan Firebird used to have a really cool green-themed website. It's not as cool now, but still good. wahanui was right for once.
20:06 rambutan Firebird is, of course, the now much more developed and open sourced Borland Pro database from many years ago.
20:09 jcamins mtj: did you PBP-friendify C4::Auth?
20:10 mbalmer jcamins, I hope one day the switch to PostgreSQL will happen. I am serious about this. ;)
20:10 jcamins mbalmer: and I hope one day that we will be able to support multiple databases.
20:11 oleonard mbalmer: Step 1: Make Koha db-agnostic. Step 2: Wait for everyone to realize how great Postgres is. Step 3: Gloat.
20:14 mbalmer I see it a bit different, obviously.
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20:16 jcamins I have an authority for "Smith" -- no first name.
20:17 jcamins Apparently "Smith" is male, and has been active for sixty-some years.
20:17 cait mr smith from the matrix maybe?
20:18 jcamins cait: hehe.
20:22 mtj the obvious point to me is, koha can only switch to postgres *after* it becomes db-agnostic
20:22 jcamins mtj: did you enable warnings in C4::Auth?
20:24 mtj hmm, cant remember :/
20:25 mtj yeah, i did
20:26 jcamins If you log in as the database user, your logs get absolutely massacred.
20:27 jcamins Problematic, if your goal is to spot legitimate errors.
20:27 oleonard Bug 6679
20:27 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P1 - high, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
20:28 jcamins Yeah, that's why I blamed mtj immediately.
20:29 mtj a simple a follow-up patch would fix that tho
20:30 mtj 'use warning' introduces 2 new warns?
20:30 mtj Use of uninitialized value $sessiontype in string eq at /home/mason/git/head/C4/ line 705.,
20:30 mtj Argument "kohaadmin" isn't numeric in bitwise and (&) at /home/mason/git/head/C4/ line 1500.,
20:31 jcamins Yup.
20:31 mtj or are there more warns?
20:31 jcamins I fixed 'em both.
20:31 jcamins Those two.
20:31 mtj kaizen++
20:31 jcamins They were necessary in order to solve bug 8818
20:31 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8818 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Authority linker error on Z cataloging
20:31 jcamins No.
20:31 jcamins Bug 88somethingelse
20:31 huginn` Bug[…]how_bug.cgi?id=88 normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Can't log out if using basic authentication
20:32 jcamins Hehe.
20:32 * gmcharlt kicks huginn
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20:32 mtj new bootstrapped koha-dash ->
20:33 oleonard mtj++
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20:33 gmcharlt @quote random
20:33 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #136: "<sekjal> MARC. Must. Die!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:18 PM, May 26, 2011)
20:33 * oleonard waves goodbye
20:34 the_zombie_MARC I'm still kicking!
20:34 rambutan a changeling is among us
20:35 druthb @quote random
20:35 huginn druthb: Quote #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful" (added by chris at 09:34 PM, September 02, 2009)
20:35 druthb *snrk*
20:36 druthb @quote random
20:36 huginn druthb: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 07:40 PM, August 14, 2009)
20:36 jcamins Bug 8829
20:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8829 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't import authorities
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20:50 bag @seen sekjal
20:50 huginn bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 53 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: * sekjal waves
20:55 jcamins talljoy: confirmed that bug 8829 is 3.8.x-only.
20:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8829 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , can't import authorities
20:56 talljoy ok
20:56 jcamins No, not that one.
20:56 jcamins Bug 8823
20:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record  ($9 RLIN)
20:56 jcamins That one.
20:57 jcamins Oddly, there are no changes in the relevant code.
20:58 jcamins Oooh. Wait. I think I see the problem.
21:18 wajasu libsysguy: I'm pasting a beginning effort to validate some of the DBIx schema.
21:18 pastebot "wajasu" at pasted "in order to enable DBIx schema testing, I took a stab at Test::DBIx::Schema (need to findout why #3 fails)" (194 lines) at
21:18 libsysguy looking wajasu
21:19 libsysguy what was the tag test?
21:20 libsysguy test 3
21:20 wajasu hold on
21:22 pastebot "wajasu" at pasted "line 75 of test #3" (21 lines) at
21:23 wajasu self->{moniker}   probably resolves to   Tag
21:23 libsysguy yeah
21:23 libsysguy so it looks like since this was generated with Schema
21:23 libsysguy you need something that includes Result
21:25 wajasu they are trying to test if the ResultSet::Tag   isa   Schema::Tag    let me see if i  need something more.  i have an idea
21:31 wajasu no, its not something in my $schematests->methods  that i need    ( ithough i needed resultsets)   but its something else having to do with the matching
21:33 wajasu They are probably just testing that  Koha::Schema::Result::Tag   isa  Koha::Schema::Tag
21:34 libsysguy yeah but I don't think they are the same are they?
21:35 wajasu i'd have to look into what  "like" does i guess.
21:42 jcamins talljoy: I posted a patch, and fixed a related bug that you would've run into after the this one.
21:43 talljoy ok
21:43 jcamins Well- might have run into.
21:47 jcamins Oh my.
21:47 jcamins Our next door neighbors are planning a playdate with someone passing by on the street.
21:48 jcamins "So what, you say"?
21:48 jcamins We're on the fourth floor.
21:49 drojf jcamins: so they talk silently on their phones to coordinate it? :)
21:49 jcamins drojf: at 3 and 5, I don't think they're allowed to have phones.
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21:51 drojf jcamins: really? how do they use facebook then?
21:51 jcamins lol
21:52 jcamins I'm not sure. I didn't ask.
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22:19 eythian @later tell tcohen that's what the dput command does
22:19 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
22:33 mtj jcamins?
22:33 wahanui rumour has it jcamins is either blind sided with arrogance for me even to bring up this inquiry as if he has seen this before or he can not be bothered, and an embarrasement to my software comunity
22:34 jcamins lol
22:34 mtj i couldnt resist
22:35 mtj … and soo true!
22:37 jcamins mtj?
22:37 wahanui somebody said mtj was a danger to bots everywhere.
22:37 jcamins That was remarkably difficult to teach wahanui. He kept on getting confused.
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23:25 bag mtj?
23:25 wahanui well, mtj is a danger to bots everywhere.
23:25 bag oh no!!!  that's lousy…  I love the crazy nuts one… booo to whomever changed that one
23:29 eythian what was the nuts one?
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23:36 eythian wahanui: literal mtj
23:36 wahanui eythian: mtj =is= a danger to bots everywhere.
23:36 eythian no wahanui, mtj is a danger to bots everywhere.|DeM KraZy NutZ!!
23:36 wahanui okay, eythian.
23:36 eythian bag: there you go
23:36 bag mtj?
23:36 wahanui mtj is DeM KraZy NutZ!!
23:37 bag YAY!!!!
23:38 * eythian needs to fix the 'also' command one day
23:38 bag :)
23:46 papa joined #koha
23:46 eythian hello papa
23:47 eythian bye wahanui
23:47 eythian hello wahanui
23:47 papa hello. You've gone international
23:47 wahanui joined #koha
23:47 eythian papa: in which sense, specifically?
23:48 eythian wahanui: papa is <reply>'r' is a vowel
23:48 wahanui ...but papa is who you wnat to talk to about it...
23:48 papa well, you said hallo on an international channel
23:48 eythian no, wahanui, papa is <reply>'r' is a vowel
23:48 wahanui okay, eythian.
23:48 eythian wahanui: papa is also <reply> ifs are bad
23:48 wahanui okay, eythian.
23:48 eythian wahanui: literal papa
23:48 wahanui eythian: papa =is= <reply>'r' is a vowel|<reply> ifs are bad
23:48 eythian there we go, been meaning to make that fix for ages
23:49 cjh papa?
23:49 wahanui 'r' is a vowel
23:49 papa maybe you should try talking to humans more?
23:49 eythian papa: why start now?
23:49 papa umm, maybe you'll like it?
23:50 papa so what is wahanui supposed to do?
23:51 eythian wahanui: wahanui
23:51 wahanui it has been said that i am a bot
23:51 papa seriously?
23:52 eythian would a computer lie to you?
23:52 papa nope
23:52 eythian wahanui: status
23:52 wahanui Since Wed Sep 26 23:44:47 2012, there have been 2 modifications and 3 questions.  I have been awake for 5 minutes, 3 seconds this session, and currently reference 21873 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
23:53 papa like kc bug tracking?
23:54 eythian I think huginn does that
23:59 eythian wahanui: slashdot
23:59 wahanui Slashdot - Updated 2012-09-26 23:48:00 | Torvalds Uses Profanity To Lambaste Romney Remarks | GNOME 3.6 Released | DNC Salute to Vets Featured Backdrop Of Russian Warships | Google Brazil Exec "Detained" For Refusing YouTube Takedown Order

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