Time Nick Message 00:01 * mtompset groans. 00:01 mtompset I have to reindex now, don't I? 00:10 eythian no? 00:10 eythian I only reindex everything when I change stuff in the database. 00:10 eythian sometimes after a major upgrade 00:12 mtompset There were zebra indexing files updated. 00:13 eythian oh right. In that case, you can. Up to you, I wouldn't consider it urgent unless things aren't working right in your test env. 00:15 eythian http://catalogue.bu.univ-rennes2.fr/ <-- that surely is a pretty OPAC 00:17 eythian @later tell cait so after getting me to proofread your newsletter submission, and my only change being the addition of a comma, you didn't include my comma. How mean! ;) 00:17 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 00:18 mtompset perhaps the comma got removed by a third party. ;) 00:19 mtompset that is a pretty OPAC. 02:01 Brooke_ kia ora :D 02:01 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paulcnielsen: "@mbreeding 102 libs left liblime in last year - 96 went to #kohails #Lianza2012 #justsaying" 02:01 eythian mtj: --^ 02:02 rangi Brooke_: jo is by me now, she says "can you get an earlier flight?" 02:05 rangi ill take that as a no 02:06 eythian either that or she's just left :) 02:09 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paulcnielsen: "#worlddomination map of #kohails - usa poised to invade canadia slide #Lianza2012 @mbreeding" 02:09 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @KiwiLibrarian: "mbreeding #kohails as transformational. Awesome. Esp for developing world. Love it. #lianza2012" 02:09 tcohen what a nice OPAc eythian 02:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #186 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:15 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 02:21 mtompset eythian: You think someone has a bias? ;) 02:38 eythian mtompset: no, it was just relating to a conversation we were having yesterday. 02:39 mtompset Ah, okay. That clarifies that. 02:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #186: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/186/ 02:51 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 4173 - Statuses not appearing in the OPAC 02:51 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 4173: Followup: put the lib into a variable 02:51 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 4173: Followup: Document KohaAuthorisedValues plugin 02:51 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8629: update of statistics fields on fund selection in order creation/edition 02:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4173 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Statuses not appearing in the OPAC 02:51 jenkins_koha * dcook: Bug 8764 - Template change "Authors" to "Additional authors" in OPAC 02:51 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8617 - Problem with display of comments waiting for moderation in OPAC 02:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8629 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , update of statistics fields on fund selection in order creation/edition 02:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8764 trivial, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Template change "Authors" to "Additional authors" in OPAC 02:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8617 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Problem with display of comments waiting for moderation in OPAC 02:57 Waylon hey all 02:57 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha 3.8.5 statistics http://t.co/yBw1lQRp" 02:57 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Statistics for Koha 3.6.9 http://t.co/p0a3azCA" 02:57 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha Newsletter: Volume 3, Issue 9: September 2012 http://t.co/wnCjk7hW" 02:57 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @arwenamin: "Loving the tweets coming out of the @mbreeding talk at #lianza2012 #kohails #collaborationandcommunication" 03:01 * eythian has his noise cancelling headphones back in operation. That is hugely better. 03:08 Waylon hmm.. how do i use git blame? how do i search commits for the first commit of a concept? 03:09 * Waylon wants to find the guy who created SearchMyLibraryFirst ... to understand what they wanted to do with it. 03:09 eythian Waylon: it's not terribly easy. 03:09 eythian although, it is possible 03:09 eythian but you have to do it manually 03:10 eythian you can blame up to a particular revision, so work your ay backwards 03:10 Waylon so.. how do i do it? 03:10 eythian I dunno, I'd look in the manual. I've never actually done it. 03:11 eythian hmm, --reverse _might_ be useful. 03:26 Waylon okay, how do i get the fulltext of every patch done to a file, all at once, in order to grep it? 03:27 eythian uhm, are you sure that's what you want? 03:27 eythian (also, I don't know, but perhaps git show can do something like that.) 03:27 Waylon nevermind. 03:28 Waylon git log + vim works. 03:28 Waylon bug 3244 03:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3244 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, initial support for multiple OPACs for libraries sharing a single Koha database 03:28 Waylon hum... sounds like what im doing. 03:30 Waylon gmcharlt still about? 03:30 Waylon ah yes. 03:30 Waylon hi gmcharlt ? 03:32 Waylon hmm... the patch/bug looks like it was on the right track. but still only handled single branches. 03:32 Waylon and didn't enforce the security either. 03:43 Waylon hmm... decisions decisions. 03:45 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "taking the opportunity in the first bit of quiet we have had on the stand at #lianza2012 to test a few patches for #kohails" 03:45 Waylon ..... I don't believe SearchMyLibraryFirst goes far enough, so If SearchMyLibrariesLimit is set, SearchMyLibrariesFirst is ignored, no matter what its set to. Its a much stricter security. 03:46 Waylon hiya rangi? 03:47 Waylon guess hes not logged in from the con. 04:50 harit i need some help with koha installation 04:51 harit i am getting a gpg error when i update ubuntu 04:51 harit after echo deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list 04:57 eythian http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2012-September/038057.html <-- harit 05:00 harit still it says key expired 05:00 eythian let me test... 05:02 eythian ah, odd. I had someone test that when I updated it, and they said it worked. I guess not. 05:02 eythian One moment. 05:03 harit please 05:04 eythian oh, I know what happened 05:04 eythian when I updated the repo earlier, it overwrote the key with the old one 05:04 eythian try it again now. 05:04 harit ok just a sec 05:05 harit its good now 05:05 harit thanks a ton 05:05 eythian no worries 05:06 harit are you going to be here for a while, i am a new to koha 05:06 harit ill post if i do have some problem installing it 05:06 eythian not much longer, it's 5pm and I have a headache. 05:06 harit oh sorry 05:06 eythian but other people may be around 05:06 harit oh k , thanks for your kind help 05:11 mtompset It worked for me. 05:11 mtompset oh, nevermind... late to the conversation. :) 05:12 eythian yes, you'd hit the sweet spot in between me fixing it and then unfixing it again 05:12 eythian https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says <-- concentrated wrong 05:14 harit oh , is it ok now 05:25 harit ./misc/sax_parser_print.pl 05:26 harit that gave out "no such file or directory" 05:26 harit any help ?? 05:31 harit ./misc/sax_parser_print.pl 05:31 harit that gave out " no such file or directory " 05:31 eythian why are you doing that? 05:31 harit i was just following the instructions on the webpage 05:32 harit just to make sure nothing is wrong with the sax parser 05:32 eythian which webpage? 05:32 harit http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Installation_Method 05:33 eythian oh. the instructions are wrong there. 05:33 eythian lemme check 05:33 harit oh god. 05:33 harit please 05:34 eythian try using '/usr/share/koha/bin/sax_parser_print.pl' instead of the command there 05:34 eythian I'm not even sure that step is necessary any more, but it can't hurt. 05:35 harit it says koha wants something like 05:35 harit as shown in the previous page ive sent you 05:36 eythian yes 05:36 harit you have XML:SAX::Expat=HASH() 05:37 eythian so follow the instructions from there, they tell you what to do 05:37 harit alright, can i trust that page. 05:37 harit you said they are wrong ?? 05:37 eythian Well, that bit was wrong. 05:38 eythian I fixed it. 05:38 harit oh k 05:38 harit excellent 05:46 harit its a little confusing, should i erase [XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser] http://xml.org/sax/features/namespaces=1 05:46 harit and put it next to Expat in the file ? 05:46 harit I mean after [XML::SAX::Expat] 05:48 Oak Ahoy me hearties! 05:48 Oak hello mtompset 05:48 eythian harit: you should move those lines to the bottom of the file 05:48 mtompset Oak! Long time no chat. 05:48 eythian harit: or ask mtompset, he wrote the instructions :) 05:49 * eythian leaves work 05:49 * mtompset laughs. 05:49 mtompset What instructions? 05:49 wahanui instructions are coming right now to the wiki near you 05:49 mtompset I have worked on the ubuntu instructions, yes. 05:50 harit mtompset : I was confused by the Parserdetails editing 05:51 mtompset It would be better to look at the packages page for Debian at this point in time. 05:51 mtompset you'll notice they don't have that. 05:51 harit can you please provide me a link 05:51 harit ? 05:51 mtompset It's at the top of the instructions. 05:52 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze 05:52 Oak mtompset, well yes. :) 05:53 mtompset Yes, well, I just split the instructions from a giant wall of text covering all types of installs this morning. 05:54 mtompset This is why the instructions are "in transition". 05:54 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Ubuntu_MySQL_Security_Tweak 05:55 mtompset Though you will want to do this. 05:58 mtompset If you are using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, there are no missing dependencies. 05:58 mtompset So, there's no need to go looking for anything missing. 06:05 harit when i modified the Parserdetails.ini when trying to save it says "Cant open file for writing" 06:06 harit mtompset can you help ? 06:06 mtompset sudo vi ... 06:07 harit oh k thank you 06:22 francharb hello 06:24 mtj hey francharbzZ 06:25 mtj mtompset, i see your wiki stuff - looks good :) 06:25 mtompset I'm cleaning up the packages instructions, since we had our first confusion. :( 06:27 mtompset I think I have it cleaned up... 06:27 mtompset Going to test myself right now. 06:30 mtj mtompset, have you thought about improving the tarball install process, via a cpanfile? 06:30 mtompset cpanfile? 06:30 mtompset There's a ubuntu.packages file which already lists everything. 06:31 mtompset (and a corresponding debian.packages file too) 06:31 mtj … for distros other than debian/ubuntu 06:31 alex_a bonjour! 06:32 mtompset bonjour din po! ;) Okay, so I threw in some Tagalog. :) 06:32 mtompset din po is "also <polite marker>" 06:33 mtompset Actually, I was hoping to have something that could nicely use a "koha_perl_deps.pl -b -r" listing. 06:33 cait morning all :) 06:33 mtompset koha_perl_deps.pl -b -r does a listing of just the blah::blah that are required from PerlDependencies.pm 06:33 mtompset Morning, cait. 06:35 mtompset Hmm... mtj, name another debian-based OS which is not debian or ubuntu... I'll try an experiment on it later. 06:38 mtj mtompset, consider Centos as a target for your tarball instructions 06:38 mtj … using a cpanfile 06:38 * mtompset cries, "CentOS has to CPAN." 06:39 mtompset There are 18 or so dependencies which can not be gotten otherwise. 06:40 mtj … using a cpanfile 06:40 mtompset I don't know what you mean by cpanfile, to be honest. 06:41 mtj https://github.com/miyagawa/cpanfile 06:43 mtompset This sounds like something that wajasu is trying to integrate with koha_perl_deps.pl 06:43 reiveune hello 06:43 mtompset If he succeeds, then changing the tarball instructions to fit that is probably a good idea. 06:43 mtj or CPAN::Meta::Spec , or Module::Install, or carton 06:44 mtj they all solve the same problem - pulling modules from CPAN, at a specific version 06:45 mtompset I'd rather figure out how to build from CPAN the dependencies, and then get RPM's hosted. 06:45 mtompset So they add the RPM repo, and all comes down nicely. 06:46 mtj ^^ if you are looking for a tasty pet-project for Koha, pick that one :) 06:46 mtompset Unfortunately, I don't have the time to do that. 06:48 matts hi ! 06:53 mtj ooh, perlcritic errors now 390 from 671-> http://munin.kohaaloha.com/kohaaloha.com/xen3.kohaaloha.com/perlcritic.html 06:54 mtompset perlcritic of what? 06:54 mtj koha 07:19 gaetan_B hello 07:23 kf good morning #koha 07:24 mtompset greetings, kf. 07:36 kf hi sophie_m :) 07:40 mveron Good morning #koha 07:40 kf mveron++ :) 07:40 kf signing off like crazy 07:40 harit Now you can visit your admininstration website to continue with the Koha web installer. 07:40 harit what would that be 07:40 mveron Hi kf :-) 07:41 harit and when i created an instance adduser : to avoid problems .. appears 07:41 harit need help with installation 07:41 mveron Comments welcome for Bug 4177 07:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4177 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface 07:43 sophie_m hi kf 07:43 kf harit: with the information you gave so far it's a bit hard to help you 07:43 mtompset Do you have a web browser? 07:43 kf harit: which version are you installing? which OS? which steps have you taken so far? 07:44 harit ubuntu 07:44 mtompset I'll attempt this. :) 07:44 harit i am done till the Pre web install step 07:44 mtompset okay... 07:44 mtompset you finished the pre-web install step, or are you starting it? 07:45 harit when i type in sudoa2enmod rewrite i am getting an error 07:45 mtompset THere's a space. 07:45 harit yeh i created the config file 07:45 harit i am sorry i typed it wrong here not in the command line 07:45 mtompset paste? 07:45 wahanui i heard paste was found at http://paste.koha-community.org 07:46 harit here is the error 07:46 mtompset harit, click the link, and paste your koha-sites.conf there. 07:46 mtompset I'd like to make sure it makes sense. 07:48 harit yep i did it 07:48 mtompset you forgot to set the channel, and your nick, and such... it didn't paste here. 07:49 kf be careful with passwords 07:49 mtompset The koha-sites.conf doesn't have any passwords. 07:49 kf right 07:50 mtompset But a good reminder to not paste something with passwords. :) 07:50 pastebot "harit" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "DOMAIN=".ttcils.latech.edu" #" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/198 07:51 harit sorry now did it 07:51 mtompset [off] okay, harit... so you are expecting your final url to end up something like library.ttcils.latech.edu? 07:51 harit yes 07:52 mtompset (for the opac) 07:52 mtompset [off] and library-intra.ttcils.latech.edu for the intranet client? 07:52 harit yes 07:53 mtompset Okay, then there is nothing wrong with the file. 07:53 harit but when i am typing in sudo a2enmod rewrite 07:53 mtompset so then you typed 'sudo a2enmod rewrite' and got an error? 07:53 harit it says module rewrite already enabled 07:54 mtompset That's fine. 07:54 mtompset Okay... 07:54 mtompset By the way, do a page refresh... I am tweaking the instructions. :) 07:55 mtompset So, you will likely run the mysql database on the same server, so you'll need to install it. 07:55 mtompset (which you may have already done) 07:55 harit ok 07:55 mtompset if it is already the newest version, all is good. 07:55 harit at the moment does the apache server have anything to show on the browser 07:56 mtompset not yet. 07:56 harit cause the instructions says "Now you can visit your admininstration website to continue with the Koha web installer." 07:56 mtompset did you run koha-create already? 07:56 harit yes i did 07:57 mtompset sudo koha-create --create-db library... okay. 07:57 mtompset And you have the password? 07:57 mtompset don't type it. 07:57 harit yes 07:57 harit i got it now 07:58 mtompset did you do the ubuntu mysql security tweak? 07:58 harit last time i included the braces as a part of the syntax 07:58 mtompset Oops... :) 07:58 harit sudo koha-create --create-db {instancename} 07:58 mtompset Oh... 07:58 mtompset you may wish to type: koha-list 07:58 harit ok 07:59 mtompset how many things are listed? 07:59 harit and i have a message from the apache 07:59 mtompset slow down... let's go in order. 07:59 harit could not reliably determine the servers fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 07:59 mtompset we'll deal with that after. 08:00 harit no thats what i got after koha-create 08:00 harit ok 08:00 mtompset Right... but let's figure out if you accidentally created two instances first. 08:00 harit ok 08:00 mtompset type: koha-list. 08:00 mtompset (no period) 08:01 harit yep 08:01 mtompset how many thing(s) are listed? 08:01 harit just one library 08:01 mtompset okay, good... I guess the {}'d version bombed. :) 08:01 harit oh k 08:02 mtompset let's triple check: ls /etc/apache2/sites-available 08:02 mtompset just default stuff and library, right? 08:02 harit letme check 08:03 harit it says no directory 08:04 harit yes its here 08:04 harit sorry 08:04 harit yes 08:05 harit just the default stuff and library 08:05 mtompset okay... now, to address your concern. 08:05 mtompset when you create the instance, it sets up apache config files. 08:05 mtompset based on the file you pasted initially. 08:06 harit ok 08:06 mtompset The problem is... the machine you are on, doesn't know what the ip address is for this. 08:06 mtompset So, when it doesn't know, it defaults to 127.0.0.1 or 127.0.1.1 08:07 harit ok 08:07 mtompset This is why we are going to edit /etc/hosts eventually, but not yet. 08:07 mtompset let's get through the other steps. 08:07 harit as you say 08:08 mtompset Have you done the "Configuring the Character Set (Part 2)" steps? 08:08 harit nop , as the mysql security tweak comes first 08:09 mtompset you are using Ubuntu 12.04, correct? 08:09 harit yes 08:11 mtompset Sorry... phone call. 08:12 harit thats fine , i really appreciate your help 08:12 mtompset in the MySQL section, you want the last possibility for the my.cnf tweak. 08:12 mtompset and don't forget to add the optimization listed there too. 08:13 harit i didnt really understand your last two messages , can you rephrase 08:14 mtompset The MySQL section of the configuring... is rather long. 08:14 harit ok 08:14 mtompset I'm telling you that rather than experiment with the first sample, or the second sample... 08:15 mtompset you want the third one. 08:15 mtompset I probably should reverse the order on those. 08:15 mtompset character-set-server=utf8 08:15 harit ok 08:15 mtompset skip-character-set-client-handshake 08:15 mtompset and make sure to add the next thing too. 08:16 mtompset innodb_file_per_table 08:17 mtompset Tell me when you have the apache and mysql steps done. 08:17 harit ok 08:17 harit just a min 08:19 harit i am sorry to ask you again 08:19 harit do you want me to perform the apache step first 08:19 harit and then the tweak 08:20 mtompset I thought you already did the security tweak. 08:20 harit no i didnt 08:20 mtompset well, better do that first, before you forget. :) 08:21 harit ok 08:22 koyauni please check whether this can work to help the community http://koha.dailyforum.net/index.php 08:25 drojf koyauni: personally i think this will not help but fragment the community. we have mailing lists that one can alternatively use in the form of web forums and that way has worked well for years. i think it is not realistic to expect thousands (i suppose) subscribers to register at this forum instead. also using a mailing list has the very nice possibility to filter emails for certain subjects etc which i personally would not like to miss. just my opinion 08:26 drojf and good morning #koha 08:26 mtompset http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 08:27 mtompset If you scroll down to the bottom, there are already forum interfaces to the mailing lists. 08:31 mtompset welcome back, harit. 08:31 harit mtompset sorry my system was down 08:32 harit just a sec ill do the tweak 08:35 harit i am done with the tweak 08:36 harit please tell me one step at a time, I am new to all these 08:36 mtj koyauni, i have considered importing many years of koha mailing-list history into phpbb 08:38 mtj .. but it is very difficult :/ 08:38 mtompset harit: Okay... next step... make sure to refresh the page. 08:38 mtompset I'm tweaking it as we go through it, so others aren't as confused by it. 08:39 harit ok 08:39 mtompset configuring the character set part2 08:39 mtompset The apache part should be simple enough to do without explanation. 08:39 harit ok 08:39 mtompset And again, don't worry about any messages you might see on the restart. 08:39 harit ok 08:39 harit ill let u know when i am done 08:41 mtj koyauni, mail2forum is the only tool to do phpbb import, but it is a dead website/project 08:41 mtj … and only works for phpbb2, not phpbb3 :( 08:42 harit mtompset , Done with the charset part 08:42 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @mikromarc: "The Bibits AS Daily is out! http://t.co/Ys8A4TGL ▸ Top stories today via @kohails" 08:43 mtompset good, because I'm going through this document myself with a new VM. 08:43 mtompset Okay... 08:43 harit ok 08:43 mtompset MySQL part... we're going to skim a bit, because I know what you need to do for 12.04 08:44 harit ok 08:44 mtompset Scroll down to where it says: sudo nano /etc/mysql/my.cnf 08:44 harit ok 08:44 mtompset You are going to add the two lines directly below into the file. 08:44 harit ok ill do it 08:45 mtompset and then scrolling some more to the "add this optimization" in bold. 08:45 mtompset Add that third line, and save. 08:45 mtj koyauni, there are 12 years of Koha mailing-list history that we lose, if we switch to a new forum 08:45 mtj -> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/ 08:46 Maxie2012 Hi people out there! I'm writing from Singapore in the hopes that I could get some help re the KOHA systems as I'm TOTALLY new to this, but really interested to learn more about it. Can anyone help...? 08:48 drojf Maxie2012: welcome. the first step is to learn the name ;) it is Koha, not KOHA. Koha is a maori word, not an acronym. the second step would be to read the manual at the koha website http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 08:49 Maxie2012 My apologies....Koha... 08:50 Maxie2012 Thank you for your referral...am taking note of the website 08:52 harit mtompset, i cant find add this optimization in the file 08:52 mtj hi Maxie2012, i <3 Singapore :) 08:52 harit and whats the third line there are only 2 in the instructions 08:52 mtompset It's there are three boxes with similar examples. 08:53 mtompset you used the first one with only 2 lines. 08:53 mtompset The FOURTH box. 08:53 mtompset has in bold above it "add this optimization" 08:53 Maxie2012 Hi:) 08:53 mtompset innodb_file_per_table 08:54 mtompset so you should have three lines added below [mysqld] in your my.cnf now. 08:54 harit ok should i add this line next to the first two 08:54 harit in my.cnf 08:54 harit ok 08:54 mtompset That's where I put it. :) 08:54 mtompset save the changes, and restart the mysql server. 08:54 mtj Maxie2012, Ananda Bhavan restaurant++ :) 08:55 mtompset sudo service mysql restart 08:56 harit ok i did it 08:56 mtompset no problems restartings? 08:56 mtompset (just confirming) 08:56 harit yep it just said "process 24778 " 08:57 mtompset okay... fine. 08:57 mtompset next we need to make sure named virtual hosts is listening correctly. 08:57 harit ok 08:57 mtompset That's the configuring apache section. 08:58 mtompset If the ports.conf file has those two lines uncommented, there are no changes needed. 08:58 harit can i edit the file ports.conf as said on the website 08:58 harit ok 08:58 Maxie2012 Actually...I need help....have a set of functional requirements for a library system and am looking for a customisable application 08:59 mtompset Are any other websites going to run on this server, harit? 08:59 harit nop 08:59 harit just koha 08:59 drojf Maxie2012: what do you need? 08:59 drojf (koha can do everything ;) ) 08:59 mtompset then I'd go with the simpler "sudo a2dissite 000-default". 09:00 mtompset So, you've done that, harit? 09:00 harit mtompset , they are uncommented 09:00 mtompset see, no changes. 09:01 harit so should i run "sudo a2dissite 000-default" now 09:01 mtompset sometimes, you don't have a clean environment, and there are other websites, so you have to check. 09:01 mtompset Yep. 09:01 koyauni I think we can have the mailing-list attached to the forum, with septate search field. You do not loose it but upgrade to something which is more widley feasible for average users. This will increase Koha's popularity, 09:02 mtompset Now do the Enable Modules and Site section. :) 09:02 koyauni mtj, maby we can istall phpbb2, import data into that format and then upgrade from phpbb2 to phpbb3+ 09:02 harit mtompset, it said " TO activate the new configuration , you need to run : service apache2 reload" 09:02 mtompset we'll get there. 09:02 mtompset Now do the Enable Modules and Site section. :) 09:03 mtompset The last command does that. 09:03 mtompset shoot... I see a problem. 09:03 mtompset it shouldn't be sudo a2ensite koha. 09:03 mtompset It should be sudo a2ensite library. 09:04 harit ok 09:04 mtj koyauni, yes… maybe… but, the tool to import into phpbb2 no longer exists… :/ -> http://mail2forum.com 09:04 mtompset Actually {instance name} 09:05 mtompset because not everyone chooses library.mydomain.whatever 09:05 harit ok 09:05 Maxie2012 I'm looking to use Koha as a base for developing a standard application that I may eventually want to distribute. Is this possible...never worked with open source systems before & not sure about licensing etc...? 09:06 mtj koyauni, and as Karam said, there are many forum software, that already intergrates with the Koha mailing-list 09:06 mtj koyauni, -> http://koha-community.org/support/forums/ 09:06 koyauni this guys has the answer http://code.google.com/u/109921448489784888248/ 09:06 koyauni he is the owner 09:07 mtompset Okay, done that, harit? 09:07 harit yes 09:07 harit i am done 09:07 mtompset This is where you need to know a little about your networking situation. 09:07 harit i have a static ip 09:08 mtj koyauni, there is no download at http://code.google.com/p/mail2forum :/ 09:08 mtompset Great... So, you know it already? 09:08 harit yes 09:08 mtj koyauni, mail2forum is a 'dead' project 09:08 mtompset Scroll down to the "Tweak Hosts File". 09:08 harit ok 09:09 mtompset Instead of 127.0.0.1, as in the example, you put your IP address. 09:10 mtompset Instead of library.framisdooby.org, etc... you put the fully qualified domain names. 09:10 mtompset so library. (scrolling up to look what you said before)... you know what I mean, and library-intra.(same thing) 09:10 mtompset Put those two lines at the bottom of the file. 09:11 harit so the second ip stays as it is ? 09:11 mtompset both should be the same. 09:11 Maxie2012 I'm also looking to possibly collaborate with someone to work on this project 09:11 mtompset they both should be your static ip addresses. 09:12 koyauni yes I know it is dead but we need the application only and it is here http://sourceforge.net/projects/m2f/ 09:12 mtj koyauni, the question is 'why switch Koha to new forum software, when we have *5* already available?' 09:12 mtj Gmane, Markmail, Nabble, ArchiveOrange, Mail Archive 09:13 koyauni they are not Forum, people can not login and create threads 09:13 koyauni it is a emails in with web interface 09:13 mtompset koyauni: you have a pretty narrow definition of forum. 09:14 koyauni you will get 10 emails per day just because you sign in, this is not practical 09:14 mtompset Don't subscribe to the mailing list. 09:14 mtompset Read it at the forums. 09:14 koyauni I see this as forum http://drupal.org/forum 09:15 mtompset Have you saved it, harit? 09:15 harit yes i did 09:15 harit just to double checl 09:15 mtj koyauni, there are people that *do* want 10 emails a day 09:15 mtompset paste? 09:15 wahanui somebody said paste was found at http://paste.koha-community.org 09:15 harit one is library.ttcils.latech.edu 09:15 harit other is library-intra.ttcils.latech.edu 09:16 koyauni where the community find ONE place to look and interact on issues, this will make Koha to become more popular, and get some hint with first search, not looking for 12 years mailing list 09:16 mtompset yes, because that is what you put into your conf file earlier. 09:16 koyauni anyway, I am trying to get Koha to work for average users not computer programmer 09:16 harit oh k 09:17 drojf Maxie2012: it is free and open source software under GPL license. you can modify it as much as you like, even though it is preferred that you give back enhancements to the community. but you have to keep in mind that you have to keep the license, so you have to give users of your enhancemens (or fork if it will be a completely different version) the same right. if by "distributing" you mean "sell the software", that business model is not going to work s 09:17 mtompset So, now you should be able to 'ping library-intra.ttcils.latech.edu' 09:17 mtompset and 'ping library.ttcils.latech.edu' 09:17 mtompset from the koha server. 09:17 koyauni mtj, I am sure they do otherwise we would not have Koha today, but I am talking about average Liberian and teachers who relay on Koha, 09:18 harit yes i was able to do that\ 09:18 mtompset fantastic. 09:19 mtj koyauni, phpbb will only be acceptable, if all mail history is imported 09:19 mtompset now the question is... do you have access to a machine on the same network with a graphical browser? 09:19 harit yes 09:19 koyauni I think Koha will have much better future as community if it can up-to-date its community so a wider users can see the benefit and usability of the system. 09:19 drojf koyauni: who do you think is going to answer all the questions if there are no 10 emails a day? personally i am not going to click through a web forum all day, so i would not read any questions 09:19 mtompset Try: http://library-intra..... 09:20 mtompset (sorry, typing the name is prone to typos, so I didn't even try) 09:20 mtj and… phpbb will only be acceptable, if people can continue to participate via email 09:21 harit i cant find it that way 09:21 mtompset really? 09:21 wahanui Of course! 09:21 drojf koyauni: also a web forum has to have categories. and these categories never fit reality 09:21 mtompset wahanui: forget really 09:21 wahanui mtompset: I forgot really 09:21 koyauni I think you should be able to reply via email to your threads, or a google group can work as well https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!overview 09:21 mtj koyauni, some people want forums - some people want emails - some people want both :) 09:21 koyauni we keep both then :) 09:22 mtompset okay... is this machine a windows box or another linux type box? 09:22 drojf -1 for google 09:22 Maxie2012 By "distibuting" what I meant was that I am looking to set up the application on a centralised server (...cloud computing kind of thing...?) and charge based on a user license fee. Would this not be possible? 09:22 harit its running on ubuntu 09:22 mtompset so your second machine is ubuntu desktop? 09:23 harit no its a windows 09:23 mtompset Ah... do you have administrative access on the machine? 09:23 mtj koyauni, yes, some projects have both phpbb *and* mailing-lists - no problem 09:24 harit mtompset , when i am typing the ip address in my browser its taking to koha under maintenance 09:24 mtompset That's a good message. 09:24 harit http://138.47.37.171/cgi-bin/koha/maintenance.pl 09:24 mtompset It means the koha server is working. 09:24 mtj koyauni, but, this is probably very tricky to set up (too tricky for me) 09:25 mtompset The problem is you need to edit C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts and put the same tweaks into it. 09:25 mtompset C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts 09:26 mtompset Open notepad as an administrator. 09:26 koyauni this scan help http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/15602/mirroring-a-mailing-list-in-google-groups 09:26 drojf Maxie2012: if by that you mean you provide hosting of koha instances for your clients then i guess that is what most koha service providers do 09:26 mtompset open, all files, C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts 09:26 mtompset Add the same two lines you put into /etc/hosts into this file. 09:26 mtompset and save it. 09:27 harit you mean on the windows machine which is on the network 09:27 mtompset The problem is the koha server is expecting a NAME, and when you use the IP address in the URL, it doesn't know what to do, so it gives you the OPAC interface. 09:28 harit do you mean under this 09:28 harit # localhost name resolution is handled within DNS itself. 09:28 mtompset right at the bottom. 09:28 mtompset yes. 09:30 harit just a min 09:30 harit ill do it 09:31 koyauni mtj, a google group is a link between those who wants Forum or Mailing list, that will cover both easier to use for our wider community 09:31 harit i was unable it 09:32 mtompset you need to run note pad as administrator. 09:32 harit i did 09:32 harit i said filed opend at another location 09:32 harit but there is no file opened 09:32 mtompset "run as administrator"? 09:33 koyauni we need a admin for milainglist to start the group and use the instruction here (http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/15602/mirroring-a-mailing-list-in-google-groups) to connect / import all mail from the 12 years 09:33 Maxie2012 Yes, something like that....and as I mentioned....charge a user licence fee and any additional customisation services 09:33 mtj koyauni , you cant import 12 years of Koha email history into a google-group :/ 09:33 koyauni why, do they say it is too much to handle :) 09:35 mtompset By the way, harit, why aren't the subdomain names that you gave working? 09:35 mtj koyauni, no… google have designed this to be impossible :/ 09:35 Maxie2012 :/But re your comments about "you have to give users of your enhancemens (or fork if it will be a completely different version) the same right".....sorry....don't really understand what that means 09:36 mtj koyauni, there is no way to import email history in google-groups 09:36 harit i got them from my network administrator, he said they work 09:36 mtompset Probably only internally. 09:36 mbalmer mveron? 09:36 wahanui mveron is from switzerland, a koha developer and creating some nice new features! 09:37 harit that might be possible , cause i connect via vpn to the server 09:37 Maxie2012 if I customise it to my needs, does it still belong to the general public under the GPL licence? 09:38 mtompset But your ip address is accessible externally. 09:38 mtompset I could set up my machine to configure you if I knew your password. ;) 09:38 harit i am so sorry i am not aware of all that 09:38 mtompset I don't want to know it, harit. 09:39 harit is there any other way to see the index page using the ip address 09:39 mtompset We're going to do the install that text-based way. 09:39 mtompset that's why I wrote the instructions the way I did. 09:39 mtompset This kind of configuration is a pain. 09:39 slef finally got to the bottom of bug 8738 09:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8738 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , DateTime object being compared to a date string in circulation 09:40 mtompset on the koha server. 09:40 harit ok 09:40 harit i have a problem 09:40 mtompset we're at the web isntallation step. 09:40 mtompset (forgive my misspelling) 09:40 mtompset you probably don't have lynx, so you'll need to sudo apt-get it. 09:40 slef so the packages for koha-common 3.8.4 do not work right on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS 09:41 mtompset What are you talking about slef? 09:41 drojf Maxie2012: that depends what you are doing with it. if you use it in private, you can do what you want. if you release it in some way to the public, it a) has to be under the same license b) that license says you have to give out the source code too. i would argue that applies to offering webhosting of your changed version too but i am neither a lawyer nor a GPL expert. you may want to have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_Licen 09:41 harit mtompset, is that for me 09:42 mtompset harit: sudo apt-get install lynx 09:42 slef mtompset: bug 8738 means that if you install koha-common 3.8.4 on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, it will not circulate unless you do something further. 09:43 harit mtompset, its done 09:43 mtompset [off] harit: lynx http://library-intra.ttcils.latech.edu/ 09:43 mtompset Tab to switch fields. 09:43 mtompset space to go through pages 09:43 mtompset Q on a non-text field to quit 09:43 Waylon hey all 09:44 mtompset harit: Just follow the web install steps. 09:44 mtompset It should be pretty simple. 09:45 mtompset oh, and enter to click a button. 09:45 harit oh k is there no other way to access it from another web browser 09:45 harit via the ip 09:45 mtompset Okay... this is the wrong way to do it. 09:46 mtompset sudo nano /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library 09:46 mtompset take the second section. and put a copy of it again in the file, and change the number to 8080. 09:46 mtompset If that doesn't make sense, don't do anything. 09:48 harit yeh thats not really clear for me 09:49 mtompset there are two sections in the file... it should be obvious. 09:49 harit you mean the intranet section 09:49 mtompset one is <VirtualHost *:80>....</virtualhost *:80> and then there is another. 09:49 mtompset Yes, that whole intranet section. 09:49 harit i can see <VirtualHost *:80> 09:49 harit in the section 09:50 mtompset paste? 09:50 wahanui paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org 09:50 mtompset put your entire file there. 09:51 harit i am sorry i cant export my file this is a diff computer 09:52 mtompset then we've reached the point where your network administrator needs to solve your problems. 09:53 mtompset because until you get a machine that can use a NAMED url, OR the administrator tweaks the configuration to listen to some port for the Intranet.... 09:53 mtompset (because I can't seem to describe it to you) 09:53 harit please give me a sec 09:53 mtompset you won't be able to finish the web isntall. 09:53 harit ill find a way to paste it 09:55 mtompset Okay... I have a system to transfer... you'll have to say my name to get my attention. 09:56 harit ok 09:57 Waylon Maxie2012, you would have happier customers, and much more support from us, (because we would understand your problems) if you contribute to the koha community, and allow your users the freedom to choose venders, without locking them in. the koha-community concept is not a jail. Myself, im in the middle of upgrading a vender from koha 3.0 to koha 3.10, who did not track their developments at all. Because of it, I can get not as much 09:57 Waylon support from koha-community because well.. the modifications im having to port... no one remembers koha 3.0. Not really. So, some advice, use git checkouts, track your developments, and commit back to us, what seems useful. If your code is good, it could become part of koha (under GPL), your name in lights (ah.. okay, i lie there, your name in the changelog and the very long developers list), and more than likely, help if you need it. 09:58 Waylon waylon? 09:58 wahanui Waylon: tell wahanui's bosses that the performance issue is because of the version, and there's no way to improve it unless they shell out to get the local modifications integrated. 09:58 Waylon hrm. 09:58 Waylon wahanui, forget waylon 09:58 wahanui Waylon: I forgot waylon 09:58 Waylon man, im forgotten so easily. 09:59 Maxie2012 Hmmm....do you know of any forum/website or source where I could connect up with Koha developers whom might be interested to collaborate with me on this project..? 10:00 Waylon Waylon is the 33rd developer of Koha, currently working for Mandumah.com, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10. 10:01 Waylon Maxie2012, hmmmmm.. theres the koha-devel mailing list, but theres also the paid support page. 10:01 Maxie2012 Hi Waylon, thank you for your response! 10:01 Waylon koha-devel? 10:01 wahanui i think koha-devel is probably the best list 10:02 Waylon I think so too, but you don't give the url.. 10:02 harit mtompset, Can i mail you soon after i speak to my administrator 10:02 harit can i have your mailing address 10:02 Waylon wahanui, forget koha-devel 10:02 wahanui Waylon: I forgot koha-devel 10:02 mtompset I'd rather not give out my email address. 10:03 mtompset But I will be here for a few more hours. 10:03 Waylon koha-devel is most likely the best koha list there is (Hey, Im a bot, im biased) and can be found at http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel 10:03 Waylon Maxie2012, ^^ 10:03 Waylon paid support? 10:03 wahanui please see http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ for a list of paid Koha support vendors. 10:03 harit mtompset, Ok ill try to get back to you asap. I really appreciate your help 10:04 Maxie2012 Hey Waylon, I am not sure what you mean in your message about "in the middle of upgrading a vender from koha 3.0 to koha 3.10, who did not track their developments at all. Because of it, I can get not as much"...?? 10:04 mtompset Additionally, you are now at the stage where anyone here can help you... it's really getting the web install part to work in a friendly way for you. 10:04 harit i will look into that 10:05 harit thank you sir 10:05 Waylon okay, hmm... koha 3.0 was born a long time ago, Maxie2012 .. alot has changed. the modifications to mandumah.com, if they were brought to 3.10 without editing or in some case, complete rewrite, would break koha. 10:06 Waylon and these modifications were not tracked at all. 10:08 Waylon so, say you do your modifications, without tracking them, and you want to upgrade your koha to get the lastest bugfixes / features / speed improvements (koha is fast, but its going to get much faster. Solr and Plack support is in development) you would have to figure out what code you put into your koha, and put it into the new koha. 10:09 Maxie2012 hey Waylon....I am actually looking for experienced Koha developers (or a team) to collaborate with and develop a standard application to be hosted on the web 10:10 drojf Maxie2012: what do you mean by standard application? 10:10 Waylon Yes, that term needs definition. 10:11 koyauni hello, is any one know how to upgrade 3.8 to 3.8.5? I installed 3.8 as common package, 10:14 drojf answers are expected fast these days 10:15 mtompset He's probably also frustrated that his idea is well, lacking and we've been telling him so. 10:16 kf Maxie2012: if you install koha out of the box - you get a standard application 10:16 kf Maxie2012: I would advise against creating your own flavour of koha 10:22 drojf meh. seems like i got the git machine working again, but all permissions are screwed now so koha does not run. :( 10:22 Maxie2012 "standard application" meaning tailor Koha to fit my set of specifications....what kf refers to as my own flavour..... 10:22 drojf mveron: does not look like i will be able to sign off on bug 8812 today, sorry 10:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8812 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Staff Client: Patron search should display branch name instead of branch code in results table 10:23 drojf Maxie2012: what kind of specifications would that be? also, why would you call your custom version a standard application? 10:25 kf Maxie2012: maybe look into how the koha community works before making a decisition about this 10:26 kf Maxie2012: koha is highly configurable to fit a lot of different libraries needs - if you tailor it involving more than configuration changes, you will cut yourself off from the global development which will be very very very painful 10:26 kf Maxie2012: the best way to do it is use Koha - and give back additional features changes you need so others can use and improve them 10:36 Maxie2012 Hey guys....thanks for all your ideas....I would really like to continue this conversation another day 10:37 Maxie2012 If anyone is interested in a collaboration of sorts with me, I would love to talk further....those interested can contact me at may@expertise-gp.com 10:37 Maxie2012 bye all & thanks again:) 10:45 slef http://expertise-gp.com/ says "Server Error in '/' Application. ERROR [HY000] [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver]Can't connect to MySQL server on '123.100.250.201' (10054) ..." 10:45 slef Anyone want to bet on "standard application" being Windows EXE? 10:46 drojf slef: it's a secret, but why not send an email to a person not answering any questions regarding the work? ;) 10:46 mtompset <insert appropriate minced oath!> 10:48 slef drojf: because I fear the costs of a collaboration with someone who "would love to talk further" but ignored your questions will exceed the rewards. 10:48 drojf Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:2.0.50727.3634; ASP.NET Version:2.0.50727.3634 10:48 * drojf giggles 10:49 slef is that old? 10:49 slef updated bug 8738 manually because my email doesn't seem to have appeared 10:49 drojf no idea, it's amusing to read microsoft .net on a server website anyway ;) 10:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8738 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , DateTime object being compared to a date string in circulation 10:50 slef drojf: bah, many UK council websites will throw that sort of exception when no-one is baby-sitting their servers :-/ the joke has worn thin 10:50 drojf ugh 10:50 drojf ms website says Visual Studio 2012 (with ASP.NET 4.5) 10:51 drojf so i assume it's old too 10:51 slef drojf: or some will throw that sort of exception if you reject their session cookies... or if you don't run their javascripts... or do any one of many other things which are perfectly fine under the eGovernment standards but not in reality. 10:51 slef </rant> 10:52 drojf .NET framework, stable release 4.5 (4.5.50709) / 15 August 2012; 41 days ago 10:52 drojf slef: maybe he is going to do something similar for singapore :P 10:53 slef drojf: yay 10:55 drojf 2.0.50727.42 7 November 2005 Visual Studio 2005 Windows Server 2003 R2 10:55 drojf it's only 8 years 10:55 drojf 7 even 10:57 drojf [off] i bet it has a million security issues. someone care to open it and install debian and koha on it? jk 10:58 Waylon [off] and do the work for him? no way. 10:59 mtompset [off] make sure to route your packets through multiple countries to make tracibility minimal. ;) 11:00 drojf [off] one proxy for every year that system is out of date 11:10 Waylon kf: hi? 11:10 * wahanui waves 11:10 kf hi Waylon 11:10 kf hi wahanui 11:12 Waylon im thinking, kf, that the limitsearch to multibranches pref.. whatever the pref is going to be named, will override SearchMyLibraryFirst, will say so in its pref text. 11:13 Waylon since its basically a complete lockdown, with security checks, to ensure the user isn't actually trying to break into the other branches. 11:14 Waylon make sense? 11:14 kf if it's documented I see no problem 11:14 kf maybe add a note to Serchmylibrary first too 11:14 kf that it won't work in combination with the other 11:15 Waylon rigtht. 11:15 Waylon hmm.. name..name..... Whats in a name... 11:15 Waylon its not exclusively multibranch limiting either. 11:15 kf is there a chance you could roll them into one pref? 11:15 kf with 3 settings? 11:16 Waylon it will work, (ill make it work) with the standard one branch system. 11:16 kf only an idea 11:16 Waylon so its a hypersecure SearchMyLibraryFirst 11:16 kf hm yeah and more, because can be more than one branch 11:16 kf it's an interesting feature 11:17 Waylon Right. Yeah.. preference planning.. eh.... 11:19 Waylon "Search patron branch(es) security: All branches / Just patrons own branch by default, but allow others to be used / Lock it down completely, only my branch(es) can be searched "? 11:20 Waylon what you think, kf? 11:21 kf hmm 11:21 kf not a native speaker :( 11:21 kf I think jcamins maybe might have an idea 11:21 kf but... heis not here 11:21 kf I think rolling them into one would help people not making mistakes 11:21 kf so I really think that would be a good thing to do 11:21 kf can only have one valid setting then 11:22 kf Waylon: would you mind asking in an hour or so again? when some of US is awake? 11:22 Waylon yeah. 11:36 mveron Maxie 11:36 mveron ? 11:39 nengard morning all 11:39 Waylon morning! 11:39 wahanui morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast 11:39 Waylon i see what you mean, kf. 11:39 Waylon ill give it 30 min more. 11:41 * mveron was pinged directly by Maxie2012. Anybody else? 11:42 kf not me 11:42 kf maybe ask nengard, Waylon 11:43 Waylon now? or wait a little more for people to wake up? 11:47 nengard I'm here 11:49 kf oh und jcamins_away :) 11:49 jcamins_away kf: yes? 11:50 kf Waylon has a system prefernece to phrase 11:50 Waylon okay, now we can do it i guess. 11:50 kf I suggested merging the searchmylibrary first and his approach into one - because it does not work when the other is activated 11:50 Waylon "Search patron branch(es) security: All branches / Just patrons own branch by default, but allow others to be used / Lock it down completely, only my branch(es) can be searched "? 11:51 kf so we wouldn't have to have notes like ' don't activate together with' 11:51 Waylon the "just patrons .. by default" is SearchMyLibraryFirst.. as its not secure at all. 11:51 Waylon its just an appearance thing. 11:52 jcamins_away That makes sense to me. 11:52 Waylon and "Lock it down completely" is where my multibranch code comes into full effect, sanity checking and limiting the search input. 11:53 Waylon but.. yeah.. nengard jcamins_away .... could you give me better wording? 11:55 jcamins_away I will have to think about this. 11:55 jcamins_away I just woke up. 11:56 Waylon sure. 11:58 nengard Waylon how about this: "All branches / Just patrons' own branch (others may be searched) / Only patrons' branch can be searched " 11:59 nengard Why did you have branch(es) -- are you giving patrons a way to have more than one branch? 11:59 nengard If so you can add that back in - but right now it's 1 brach to 1 patron 11:59 Waylon Yes. a multibranch system using borrower_attributes 11:59 nengard Okay then go ahead and change that bit, but the rest I think work 11:59 nengard works 11:59 jcamins_away That sounds good to me. :) 12:00 Waylon So yeah, what you think of the idea? 12:00 nengard I don't have any libraries that need it, but it sounds good if someone does need it 12:02 Waylon whats a good shortname for this, you think? 12:02 Waylon searchsecurity? 12:03 kf Waylon: if the multibranch requires a authorised value or something, maybe also add a note where it can be configured 12:03 kf searchablebranches ? 12:03 kf ah 12:03 kf SearchableLibraries 12:03 kf nengard: I think we decided some time ago to make it library everywhere, but I think branch has come back, not sure now 12:04 Waylon kf: right. multibranch is in opac i think... as independantbranch is? 12:04 nengard you're right so 12:04 mveron We should have a bug option like 'Deferred' for cases like Bug 4177 12:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4177 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface 12:04 nengard "All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) / Only patrons' home library can be searched " 12:04 mveron We have 1309 bugs marked as new, most of them are obsolete I think, but they hide cases like this one. 12:04 drojfx kf: at what time did i say i'd format the sd card? 12:04 nengard Waylon and kf ^^ see my language change 12:05 Waylon only patrons home library/libraries 12:05 kf mveron: I think more importatn we should mark them closed when the new rlease is out 12:05 kf lots of them 12:05 kf so we get rid of all those fixed bugs showing up in searches 12:06 mveron kf: Agree... 12:13 Waylon SearchableLibraries = all/preferhome/securehome? 12:14 kf_afk Waylon: sounds good to me now - 12:15 * Waylon nods. 12:15 Waylon I'll make it so. 12:26 Waylon "All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) / Only patrons' home library and assigned libraries can be searched? 12:26 Waylon or other assigned libraries? 12:28 oleonard Mmmm.... Breakfast. 12:29 * oleonard is ready for his second breakfast 12:31 Waylon okay, bedtime i think 12:31 Waylon night all 12:50 mtompset Nice... system transferred, restyled, reindexed all in less than 3 hours. 12:51 mtompset And now that we're on packages... any further updates will be much faster. :) 12:51 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @nengard: "@KiwiLibrarian @Ngaideckard @NLS_Malawi @Malebopo @chimxy @simon_ids @clementkledo tag #koha tweets with #kohails (#koha is sport team) :)" 12:52 * oleonard feels the sharp sting of nengard's whip 12:53 mtj ... or a Japanese pop singer 12:53 * oleonard also feels the sharp sting of a Japanese pop singer's whip 12:55 druthb This says something about you, oleonard, that I'm not sure I'm better off knowing... :P 12:55 nengard oleonard - I added the :) so that it didn't sound that way ? was just trying to get their tweets seen by the right people 12:55 nengard did it sound rude?? 12:55 oleonard No, I'm just cracking wise 12:55 * nengard is sensitive this week 12:56 nengard but good to hear 12:56 mtompset oleonard: Why did you feel the sting of the whip? Is one of those your twitter id? 12:57 oleonard mtompset: It was purely sympathetic 12:57 * oleonard is @oleonard if you're curious mtompset 12:57 * mtompset nods in understanding. 12:57 mtompset I am trying to avoid twitter. 12:57 nengard it can be very helpful 12:57 * druthb is cleverly disguised as @druthb. 12:57 nengard I get lots of answers to my questions on twitter 12:58 mtompset Is that what facebook is for? 12:58 * kf_afk won't tell :P 12:58 mtompset Or is it... snail mail > email > facebook > twitter? 12:59 * druthb goes :P at kf_afk, who apparently isn't, after all. 12:59 oleonard I wouldn't want to ask a tech question via snail mail 12:59 mtompset sneaker net baby... all the way. ;) 13:00 * kf_afk is now 13:00 mtompset And where do avian carriers fit in? 13:00 mtompset http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers 13:09 * oleonard does a double-take between the two huginns 13:39 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 13:39 mtompset Looks like we had a nice blip. 13:40 mtompset oleonard: Did you survive the blip? 13:40 oleonard blip? 13:40 mtompset lots of comings and goings. 13:41 mtompset Though, I suppose it wasn't a blip, given the time span. 13:41 oleonard Just a quiet morning. 13:42 libsysguy anybody use emacs? 13:42 libsysguy I feel like every solution I come up with to replace tabs in my code with spaces fail 13:43 * mtompset cringes, "meta-meta-host-what key next?!" 13:43 libsysguy heh 13:43 * libsysguy has octopus fingers now 13:43 oleonard libsysguy: I hope you're replacing tabs with spaces only on lines you have changed? 13:44 libsysguy yeah 13:44 oleonard Cool. 13:44 tcohen what does blip stand for? 13:44 mtompset quiet morning? Too bad it is Tuesday... Made me think of Manic Monday: http://youtu.be/47v-Zm-9Wgg 13:45 * oleonard is not clicking that link under any circumstances 13:46 mtompset It's just the youtube link to Manic Monday, but I understand you not clicking it. 13:46 * oleonard is old enough to have lived through that song being in regular rotation, had plenty of it then 13:47 tcohen blip =~ Manic Monday ? 13:48 oleonard blip = when the IRC server moves everyone to another machine and there is a mass exit/entrance (I assume) 13:48 mtompset no that was a non-related consecutive thought. 13:48 mtompset Yes, that's what I meant, oleonard. 13:49 tcohen "A short high-pitched sound made by an electronic device." says google 13:49 mtompset that too. 13:49 mtompset blip has multiple meanings. 13:49 mtompset Since we are on IRC, the context clarifies that it isn 't a sound. 13:49 oleonard tcohen: I would contend that mtompset's usage is non-standard 13:50 tcohen i just thought it was a joke related to that girls pitch 13:50 mtompset no, no joke. 13:51 * Guest8171 reads the backlog, wonders why the cindi lauper hate 13:51 oleonard cyndi lauper?! 13:51 mtompset It was not cyndi lauper. 13:51 * oleonard wags his finger at wizzyrea 13:51 wizzyrea fine fine. 13:51 mtompset The bangels. 13:51 wizzyrea oh ha right it was the bangles 13:51 * wizzyrea even liked the bangles 13:52 wizzyrea I'm sure you can imagine 13:52 * tcohen is more a Bad Religion's guy 13:52 mtompset cyndi lauper... the only thing that quickly comes to mind is girl's just wanna have fun. 13:52 wizzyrea in my younger, more impressionable days I probably listened to many things that we would consider "bad" 13:52 wizzyrea see: bangles 13:53 mtompset oleonard: definition 7 sort of on dictionary.reference.com 13:54 mtompset Never heard of Bad Religion. 13:54 mtompset Listening to American Jesus now. 13:55 tcohen 'Los Angeles is burning' 13:58 mtompset not what I'd normally listen to, but they are rather lyrical for the style of music they are playing. 14:10 nengard jcamins bug 8818 14:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8818 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Authority linker error on Z cataloging 14:10 nengard :( 14:11 jcamins nengard: I'll take a look when I can. 14:11 tcohen anyone in the QA team to take a look at bug 8800? 14:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8800 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour 14:11 jcamins And we're sure that this is not the same as the last bug relating to this, just with a usable test case this time around? 14:12 jcamins (I presume I'll be able to reproduce it, anyway) 14:12 nengard jcamins you asking me? 14:12 nengard I'm not sure what the last bug relating to this was 14:13 jcamins nengard: right. I already patched a bug talljoy reported about the linker not working with Z39.50. 14:13 jcamins Actually, that's not true. 14:13 nengard oh .. do you know that bug number? ?. okay nevermind 14:13 nengard hehe 14:13 jcamins I patched a bug that wajasu *thought* was the same as the bug talljoy reported. 14:14 jcamins I suppose we don't actually know if it was the same bug. 14:14 nengard okey dokey 14:14 nengard well I'll leave mine alone for now 14:14 jcamins If it's the same bug, you might try the patch. 14:14 jcamins talljoy might remember the bug number. 14:19 jcamins And the more information you can provide the better, because if this is anything like that one, I may never be able to reproduce it, so it will be a matter of logic to track it down. 14:21 jcamins libsysguy: in answer to your earlier question about replacing tabs, easy peasy. Ctrl-X Ctrl-Q v i m <Return> 14:22 libsysguy ... 14:22 * libsysguy is not amused jcamins :p 14:22 * jcamins is _very_ amused. 14:22 mtompset And thus began the editor wars. ;) 14:23 libsysguy and for the record it would be Crtl-x Crtl-c v i m <Return> 14:23 libsysguy followed by *sh*t sh*t* 14:24 libsysguy then :q <Return> 14:24 jcamins lol 14:29 tcohen a question on git 14:29 tcohen suppose i set our own git repo following 3.8 14:29 tcohen and want to have our patched applied 14:29 tcohen but still follow the official 3.8/ 14:30 tcohen what will happen t git when my patch gets officially pushed? 14:30 jcamins tcohen: merge in an integration branch. 14:30 jcamins "in" was a bad word to use there. 14:30 jcamins Merge *into* an integration branch. 14:31 tcohen so I create a special branch fr the task of integrating 14:31 jcamins When it gets pushed upstream, you will either get a conflict with no changes, or it will inform you that the patch was already merged upstream. 14:31 jcamins That's what I do. 14:32 tcohen after integrating, do u push into your current 3.8 branch? 14:32 tcohen or do u use your integration branch for production? 14:33 jcamins I use the integration branch in production. 14:33 jcamins Well, I use packages generated off of my integration branch in production. 14:34 tcohen yes, that's my plan now I have the knowledge :-D 14:35 tcohen will try going live with bug 8773 + own packages 14:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 14:35 jcamins tcohen++ 14:36 * jcamins would like to test that. 14:36 tcohen wajasu did 14:37 jcamins More testing is always good. 14:37 jcamins And I think your daemon script is probably superior to the one I'm currently using. 14:39 * jcamins has never quite figured out init/rc. 14:40 tcohen yeah, i provided wajasu with the debs for testing. 14:41 tcohen in fact, i learned to build the packages just for wajasu :-D 14:41 * jcamins remembers. 14:41 jcamins :) 14:51 tcohen what do #koha think of hiding the status=pushed from the default search? 14:52 tcohen (talking about bugzilla) 14:53 jcamins tcohen: it drives me nuts, but I think there's no way to fix it. 14:53 jcamins I created a special "All my bugs" saved search to show me those. 14:54 mtompset I'm attempting a 3.8 install on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. 14:54 jcamins Have fun with that. 14:54 tcohen i guess your idea is the solution for now jcamins 14:54 mtompset Had to update http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages 14:55 mtompset It was missing a couple things to hack,.\ 14:58 mtompset i'm also downloading the tar file just so I can run koha_perl_deps.pl to be sure I didn't miss anything. 14:59 tcohen if you ask me mtompset, i'd avoid using dpkg --set-selections ; dselect install 14:59 tcohen its installing i386 stuff again 15:00 mtompset can you trace the bit that is grabbing the i386 stuff? 15:00 tcohen its strange, as installing the same packages using apt-get install doesn't have that behaviour 15:00 tcohen how do I tell dselect to present the dependency tree? 15:01 mtompset i'm not familiar with dselect. :( 15:01 mtompset It's the yaz messing you up? 15:02 jcamins mtompset: that set of instructions on the wiki has met great success, so really all you should need to do is add any missing dependencies. 15:07 jcamins I have an opinion question for someone from France: does the summer of 1914 come before or after the winter of 1914? 15:07 reiveune bye 15:07 jcamins Aww. 15:07 jcamins He would've known the answer. 15:09 tcohen its the same hemisphere as yours? 15:10 jcamins tcohen: yeah, but it's a cultural thing whether "winter" is January or December. 15:10 oleonard jcamins: I would think it's ambiguous. In some cultures it isn't? 15:11 jcamins oleonard: it's always ambiguous, but depending on where you are, it tends to go one way or the other. 15:12 oleonard Interesting. I would consider it squarely ambiguous, if one can say such a thing. 15:14 jcamins oleonard: part of it is when it starts getting cold, I think. 15:16 jcamins Since no one from France has an opinion, I have decided that winter precedes summer. 15:20 oleonard So let it be written. 15:20 mtompset Can't it be both? 15:21 jcamins mtompset: not when I'm putting books in order, no. 15:23 tcohen i hate dselect 15:23 jcamins tcohen: perhaps we should change back to the old way of doing things? There used to be an apt-get script. 15:23 jcamins Instead of generating .packages files, we could generate .sh scripts that run apt-get. 15:23 tcohen I'd agree 15:24 tcohen is dselect a default on debian? 15:24 tcohen (not in ubuntu) 15:25 jcamins tcohen: no. 15:26 jcamins tcohen: it was initially used only for Ubuntu. 15:31 tcohen i guess because aptitude usage was discouraged in ubuntu 11.04+ 15:33 jcamins tcohen: I don't think so. We had a .packages file for 9.04, I think. 15:34 * mtompset smirks, "dselect works -- for i386" 15:34 mtompset 9.04? 15:34 mtompset There wasn't a 9.04 when I was looking at it. 15:34 jcamins mtompset: is that Jaunty Jackalope? 15:35 mtompset Though, there were instructions talking about Jaunty. 15:35 mtompset I think so. 15:37 tcohen doing: for i in $(cat ubuntu.12.04.packages| grep -v "#" | cut -f1) ; do debtree $i 2>/dev/null | grep -q i386 && echo $i ; done 15:37 tcohen no package generates that i386 dependency 15:37 tcohen damn 15:38 tcohen it must be my box that is busted 15:38 jcamins tcohen: no, someone else managed to reproduce that problem. 15:39 tcohen maybe its a deselect bug 15:39 tcohen related to multiarch support... 15:40 mtompset well, this sucks... it looks like I would have to CPAN DateTime for 10.04 15:41 jcamins You know what Koha needs to be enterprisey? 15:41 jcamins An error message that says "NO CONNECTIONS AVAILABLE : All available connections to the XX Catalog are in use. Please try again in a few minutes." 15:41 jcamins _That_ is enterprisey. 15:42 mtompset I was hoping for a "koha-just-install-it-now" command that did everything automagically. 15:42 jcamins lol 15:43 jcamins mtompset: you couldn't have been expecting it, though, given that there was just a conversation on the list about how CPANing it on 10.04 was the only option. 15:43 libsysguy I was thinking we'd rebase the whole thing on JAVA 15:43 jcamins lol 15:43 * mtompset laughs. 15:44 jcamins Wow. 15:44 oleonard jcamins: While we're at it can we please add session-dependent detail pages? I can't stand that our links are so darn persistent. 15:44 jcamins LC has some great call numbers and notes in their catalog. 15:44 mtompset Actually, there are THREE dependencies. 15:45 jcamins "SB356 .F75 FT MEADE Do Not Serve" Request in: "Unavailable: Contact Collections Officer, CALM" 15:45 mtompset DateTime, DateTime::TimeZone (which I think is possible with some dancing), and Template. 15:45 * jcamins runs around waving his arms around being uncalm. 15:46 jcamins mtompset: are you sure? Template::Toolkit used to be available on 10.04. 15:47 mtompset It is... but it is 2.20 15:47 mtompset requirement says 2.22 15:47 mtompset Similarly DateTime is 0.52, but requirement says 0.58 15:48 slef yeah and that breaks stuff 15:48 jcamins DateTime version matters, but I'm not sure TT version does. 15:48 slef use deb make perl 15:48 slef or whatever it's called 15:48 slef don't just cpan stuff, else a kitten dies 15:49 slef or your server grows a forest of conflicting module namespaces and versions, just as likely 15:50 libsysguy dang it I stepped away and missed all the laughing 15:50 * libsysguy is now sad 15:50 tcohen slef, do u know what the actual command is? 15:50 * kf_afk missed it too 15:50 slef tcohen: no but I can look it up 15:50 libsysguy everybody always gets a good chuckle out of a JAVA rebase kf_afk 15:51 kf_afk oh, someone threatened to rewrite koha in java again? 15:51 libsysguy I did, but in sarcasm 15:51 slef oh did tcohen not want to know? 15:51 slef dh-make-perl --build --cpan DateTime 15:51 libsysguy mtompset said something about making Koha enterprise 15:51 slef @later tell tcohen dh-make-perl --build --cpan DateTime 15:51 huginn` slef: The operation succeeded. 15:52 kf_afk I see 15:55 mtompset same problem with Template. There's no way to upgrade without a CPAN -- or painfully updating perl. 15:56 jcamins mtompset: I still don't think that the TT version matters. 15:57 mtompset So would that be another dependency lower? 15:57 jcamins I think we could lower it, yes. 15:58 jcamins You'd have to test that, though. 16:00 mtompset how would I test that? 16:01 jcamins mtompset: View all the pages? 16:01 mtompset every single page?! 16:02 jcamins Or most of them. 16:02 wahanui most of them are pretty small 16:05 mtompset Well, I'm calling it a night. 16:05 mtompset Even though it is now morning. 16:05 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages#Dependencies 16:05 mtompset I did update 10.04 dependencies listed there. 16:06 mtompset Template and DateTime are the only two problems for 3.8 16:06 jcamins mtompset: I was using 3.6 on Ubuntu 10.04 until... 16:07 mtompset 3.6 should work okat on 10.04 16:07 jcamins Mayish, I think. 16:07 jcamins Template Toolkit is not a new requirement to 3.8. 16:09 mtompset But TT was prior to 3.6, wasn't it? 16:10 jcamins We changed to TT for 3.4. 16:12 mtompset I may have CPAN'd it for my tarball install. 16:13 mtompset I love how my 10.04 is telling me to upgrade to 12.04 16:14 jcamins mtompset: well, it is EOLed or nearly so, isn't it? 16:14 mtompset No, support is until April 2014? 16:15 mtompset Or is it 215. 16:15 jcamins April 2013. 16:15 jcamins 2015 if you're paying for server support, I think. 16:15 mtompset No, 2015 is the SERVER version. 16:15 mtompset 2013 is the DESKTOP version. 16:16 jcamins Oh, I thought that was the type of support you were paying for. 16:16 mtompset no, it's for the version you download. 16:16 mtompset (unlike debian) 16:17 jcamins Well, I still think that you don't need to CPAN Template Toolkit on 10.04. 16:18 jcamins Actually, I can check whether I did. 16:21 jcamins I did not. It worked fine. 16:21 jcamins Possibly there was a problem with zebra-striping tables. 16:21 oleonard "I'm in this hole, and you're handing me a ladder? I need a shovel!" 16:22 * oleonard gripes about "Cataloguing authorities 3.6/3.8" on the list 16:25 jcamins oleonard: yeah, I don't know how to respond to that. 16:25 jcamins I'm thinking "you're right, this is a terrible way to do things. If you won't listen to advice, and you won't, you're on your own." 16:26 gaetan_B bye ! 16:26 jcamins [off] Possibly with a continuation... "and because you are doing everything in the worst way possible, please don't send updates to the list, as someone might take it into their head to follow your overly verbose recitations of what you've done as if they were instructions and not warnings." 16:27 libsysguy so mtj failed my patch on tabs 16:27 libsysguy when I re-submit it should I mark it as still signed off 16:27 jcamins libsysguy: if that's all he failed it on, you're doing pretty well. :P 16:27 jcamins Yes. 16:27 libsysguy or needs signoff 16:27 wahanui needs signoff are the oldest now? or random? 16:27 jcamins Still signed off. 16:27 wahanui i think signed off is the queue the QA team should watch 16:27 jcamins passed qa 16:27 wahanui it has been said that passed qa is the queue paul should watch 16:27 libsysguy ok, what about wajasu's signoff flag 16:27 libsysguy since its not in my version 16:27 jcamins Oh. 16:28 mtompset [off] Oh my <insert not so nice words>. Is there a way to send his emails to /dev/null? 16:28 jcamins Guess it's too late to do a follow-up? 16:28 libsysguy nope 16:28 libsysguy I can do that too 16:28 jcamins Then just do a follow-up. 16:28 libsysguy kk 16:32 chris_n [off] I find the mailing list provides some interesting character studies at times :-) 16:32 libsysguy frack 16:32 libsysguy now i effed up git 16:33 jcamins libsysguy: *again*? 16:34 * libsysguy hangs head 16:34 libsysguy yes 16:34 jcamins What are you doing? 16:34 libsysguy is tempted to copy and paste wajasu's sign off :p 16:34 jcamins I mean, generally speaking. 16:34 libsysguy well i did a commit —amend 16:34 libsysguy instead of a commit 16:34 jcamins This is the third time in as many days. 16:35 libsysguy not paying attention 16:35 jcamins Oh, you know what I do? 16:35 jcamins I check out the signed-off patch, then make the changes on top of it. 16:35 libsysguy git reset —hard HEAD^ 16:35 jcamins Nah, that way lies real work. 16:35 jcamins If I want to split it, I then check out all the changed files from the amended branch. 16:37 libsysguy hmm 18:02 * cait waves 18:03 oleonard Hi cait 18:05 cait hi oleonard :) 18:08 mib_906r1e Hi - just looking for some pointers on how to troubleshoot a OPAC/Staff searching problem. Bibs are showing in searches but do when I put the biblionumber in the URL 18:09 mib_906r1e upgraded from 3.6 to 3.8.3 then to 3.8.5 18:09 mib_906r1e sorry, should be: bibs are not showing in searches 18:10 oleonard searching faq? 18:10 wahanui searching faq is probably at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 18:10 oleonard mib_906r1e: Have you looked at that FAQ for help? 18:10 mib_906r1e yep, I have! 18:11 mib_906r1e What is strange is that if an item attached to a biblio (that isn't showing) is checked in, the biblio then shows in search! Rebuild the index - biblio gone again! 18:13 jcamins mib_906r1e: sounds like you are running rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r as the wrong user. 18:13 jcamins You will need to correct your permissions, and reindex. 18:14 mib_906r1e all permission are set correctly, as far as I can tell. There is no error on rebuild.pl -v -v ? Would a permission error not show an error? 18:15 jcamins mib_906r1e: it might, or it might not. 18:15 jcamins Zebra's error reporting is staggeringly useless. 18:16 mib_906r1e I think I have a check on the rebuild script to not allow running as any other user except the owner of the index files (checking that now!) 18:16 jcamins How did you install Koha? 18:17 mbalmer I wonder what products like SISIS SunRise use for full text search. Do they also resort to DB external tools like Solr, Zebra etc? What does evergreen use in this regard? 18:17 jcamins mbalmer: Evergreen uses Postgres' fulltext search. 18:17 mib_906r1e I installed koha for that tarball downloaded from the koha-community.org site 18:17 jcamins mbalmer: it is very slow. 18:17 jcamins Query times can rise upward of two minutes. 18:17 mbalmer wow. 18:17 mbalmer that is slow. 18:18 * jcamins hears an echo. 18:18 jcamins ;) 18:18 jcamins mib_906r1e: how do you have a check on the rebuild script? 18:18 mbalmer are they using it "wrong" or is tsearch that slow? In my experience, the performance is not that bad. 18:19 mib_906r1e I added a small part at the start of the script to check the user id running the script 18:19 jcamins mbalmer: probably both. 18:19 mib_906r1e is that a problem, do you think 18:19 mbalmer I see. 18:19 jcamins mib_906r1e: what else did you change? 18:19 mib_906r1e Not a thing! I hope...... 18:19 mib_906r1e however, I can rerun the original one now, to put my mind at ease! 18:20 mbalmer doing a full text search in a (large) database consisiting of marc records is sth on my todo list (doing the search in the database wo/ external indexer) 18:21 oleonard That didn't work well for Koha before Zebra. 18:22 mbalmer databases have evolved, the landscape might have changed. tests will show 18:23 jcamins oleonard: it'd be nice to have a DB-only option for very small libraries, particularly in developing countries. 18:23 * jcamins has planned his search rewrite such that if someone wanted to implement a database-only search driver, it will be easy. 18:24 mib_906r1e jcamins: I reran that script - the original one - but the same problem remains. Would you have any other ideas? 18:24 mbalmer I have some large files, I really want to find out if a DB only approach can be performant. 18:24 mbalmer but consider this research, not sth to be put into koha 18:25 jcamins mib_906r1e: so it was working in 3.6.something and 3.8.3? 18:26 mib_906r1e no, it was working in 3.6. We upgraded to 3.8.3 about 3-4 weeks ago (approx) and noticed some strange authority problems (which I see a bug for) and this problem. 18:27 mib_906r1e I just upgraded to 3.8.5 today hoping that would solve the problem! 18:27 jcamins And just to confirm, you did run the Makefile, right? 18:28 mib_906r1e yeah, in all occassions 18:28 jcamins (Makefile.PL --prev-install-log=/whatever) 18:28 jcamins Okay. 18:28 * jcamins will ponder. 18:28 jcamins And curse card catalogs. 18:28 mib_906r1e yep, them make upgrade 18:33 mveron Good night #koha 18:34 mbalmer gn8 18:34 mveron Good night #koha 18:34 mbalmer last message repeated 3 times 18:41 drojf can i move my koha-git-folder (with .git inside) to another machine and use it there? assuming that there is git installed? or how would i get my branches to a different computer? 18:41 libsysguy jcamins thanks for the idea of re-pulling that patch instead of trying to fix my screwed up repo 18:51 jcamins drojf: yes. 19:00 oleonard Seems to me that the acquisitions is not strict in distinguishing between "budget" and "fund" 19:01 oleonard See: neworderempty.pl where it has the label "Fund:" and the <select> says "Select a budget" 19:21 mib_906r1e when running an reindex I see this at the start "BIBLIONUMBER in : 999$c" ? what does that mean? 19:21 mib_906r1e I don't seem to have any 999 tags in any records! 19:21 jcamins mib_906r1e: it means your biblionumber is stored in 999$c. 19:21 jcamins Wait, what? 19:21 wahanui Wait, is it only in items? 19:21 jcamins You *must* have 999 tags in all the records. 19:21 jcamins I don't think it's possible not to. 19:22 mib_906r1e is it surpressed in the MARC detail view? 19:22 jcamins mib_906r1e: maybe. It'll show up in the plain MARC view on the OPAC, certainly. 19:22 mib_906r1e OK, I will check 19:23 mib_906r1e yeah - 999 is there alright when viewed in plain view 19:24 jcamins Okay. 19:24 jcamins That is good. 19:24 jcamins I feel like we walked someone through a similar issue a few days ago, and fixed it. 19:24 mib_906r1e yeah, but I just cannot figure out this problem. Everything seems fine......is there any "super verbose" mode I can reindex in? 19:25 jcamins Three -v flags. 19:25 mib_906r1e jcamins: really? do you remember what day? I could search the irc logs? 19:25 jcamins mib_906r1e: I'm trying to remember. 19:25 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @Ngaideckard: "Thanks @nengard Hashtag #kohails it is. For you too @anactNZ" 19:26 oleonard Yay nengard 19:26 jcamins mib_906r1e: I'm thinking someone would surely have mentioned "permissions." 19:26 wizzyrea oh they must be talking about koha at lianza 19:27 nengard yeah they are!! 19:27 nengard but a lot of it is tagged #koha 19:27 nengard so I've telling people about the right hashtag 19:27 mib_906r1e jcamins: I spent a good while looking at them and all the required places are owned by the koha user 19:28 jcamins mib_906r1e: yeah, I mean the conversation probably involved the word "permissions," so you could look for that in the logs. ;) 19:29 mib_906r1e oh yeah! thanks, I will have a quick search 19:41 mib_906r1e near the end of the debug run i get this : Records: 6462 i/u/d 6344/118/0 - which is the correct count of my biblio table (not sure about the 118 updates). Can't help thinking this is a bug now! 19:42 wizzyrea mib_906r1e: it's almost never a bug :/ 19:42 wizzyrea it's almost always a misconfiguration. 19:43 wizzyrea (sad but true, sorry) 19:43 wizzyrea what kind of hardware are you running on? is it possible it's running out of memory? 19:43 wizzyrea or disk space? 19:43 wahanui hmmm... disk space is NOT the issue. 19:43 wizzyrea shh wahanui 19:45 mib_906r1e wizzyrea: I have plenty RAM and disk - I just upped the memMax entry in the confi file, rebuilding now 19:48 mib_906r1e why would checking in an item cause the biblio to show on the search though? That is really strange - and after that, if I do a full rebuild, the biblio dissappears again. What is the diff between update and rebuild!? 19:52 wizzyrea because the zebraqueue has top update the indexes with availability 19:52 wizzyrea to* 19:53 wizzyrea since checking it in triggers a zebra update, apparently whatever *koha* is doing to the indexes is proper 19:53 wizzyrea but however they are being originally generated isn't 19:55 mib_906r1e I am almost beat - running out of ideas fast. No search will get me the hit, only putting the actual biblionumber in the URL gets me the record..... 19:55 jcamins mib_906r1e: are you using zebraqueuedaemon? 19:56 mib_906r1e jcamins: nope 19:56 jcamins Good. 19:57 mib_906r1e is there point in enabling the z3950 server and pointing yaz at it? Will it just be the same index? 19:58 jcamins mib_906r1e: it will be exactly the same index, yes. 19:58 mib_906r1e so not much point then..... 19:59 oleonard On this page, what does the "Finish receiving" button do? http://screencast.com/t/eM6TRLRwwiq 19:59 mib_906r1e there hasn't been any new sysprefs in 3.8 that could be restricting something? 20:00 jcamins mib_906r1e: no. 20:01 jcamins I suppose you could try switching to DOM mode for indexing (or GRS-1 mode, if it defaulted to DOM), but that's somewhat more involved than I can walk you through now, and probably won't resolve the underlying problem. 20:02 mib_906r1e I did think of that - I can make the switch no problem, although it would take some time. Maybe copious amounts of beer and some sleep might help too! 20:03 jcamins mib_906r1e: that makes sense to me. 20:04 mib_906r1e it's late where I am so I think I will call it - thanks everyone for the suggestions - there is a good chance I will be back at some stage! 20:08 mtj libsysguy_afk, feel free to flick your patch back to 'signed-off' - if someone has a problem, they will say so 20:09 mtj (i assume you only made some trival w/s fixes) 20:15 oleonard Man, I really don't understand the acquisitions workflow :( 20:17 * jcamins would switch to OpenOffice.org from LibreOffice if it had a vim mode. 20:17 oleonard Why? 20:18 jcamins oleonard: so I could use the vim mode? 20:18 drojf computers-- 20:18 oleonard Why not say, "I wish LibreOffice had a vim mode?" 20:18 drojf jcamins: i saw your "yes" before everything went crazy, thanks 20:19 drojf (the crazy had nothing to do with it ;) 20:19 jcamins drojf: you're welcome. 20:19 jcamins oleonard: well, I do wish LibreOfice had a vim mode. 20:19 jcamins But I want a vim mode so much that I'd switch back to OpenOffice. 20:21 trea is there a syspref in 3.8 for calculating fines upon check-in? 20:22 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @joamma: "@patriciarussog La noticia es del año pasado ahora van por el 6º aniversario. Yo me decanto más por #kohails que está teniendo + desarrollo" 20:22 * jcamins washes his hands of it. 20:23 jcamins trea: not sure. Ask libsysguy. 20:23 * oleonard notes that the "save" button on orderreceive.pl doesn't mean "save" unless you've clicked "add" first :P 20:23 * oleonard adds a warning that says "Save, really? Save nothing? What good does that do you? Get back to work." 20:24 jcamins Hehe. 20:32 oleonard See ya #koha 21:40 ala_3vo Hello #koha 21:47 clyiie Hello#Koha 21:49 clyiie I have problem with fine in the circulation feature.It is not automatically charging all the overdue patrons 21:51 melia clyiie: do you have the fines cron job correctly set up? do you have finesMode system preference set to "calculate and charge"? 21:53 lanesboroma need help with windows 7 and firefox 15 - can't access koha 21:53 clyiie fine mode system preference set to calculate and charge-yesit is but fines cron job not quite sure maybe will check the IT personel 21:53 wizzyrea the first question? 21:53 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 21:54 lanesboroma get the page to appear, it justspins thinking waiting whatever. all other web access works on either ie or firefox 21:54 wizzyrea new installation, old installation? Locally hosted or hosted by a support company? 21:55 lanesboroma new windows 7 install on the library peer to peer established as work - beingthe homegrou p 21:55 lanesboroma network acess is ok on wired or wireless 21:55 wizzyrea well it's probably not windows 21:55 wizzyrea and it's probably not firefox 21:55 lanesboroma through verizon bridged router 21:56 wizzyrea I happen to know that koha works fine on win7 with ff15 21:56 lanesboroma i can get acees to bring up any other pages, even added firefox as allowed in norton 360 firewall 21:56 clyiie how can we run cron job? 21:56 wizzyrea ok, is the server local to you? in the same LAN? 21:56 lanesboroma yes 21:56 wizzyrea ok, is the server running? 21:57 lanesboroma we have no lo0ca lserver, using browser to logon to the koha site, two toher xp pc's work fine with same link 21:57 clyiie i mean fine cron job 21:58 melia clyiie: there is some info here on cron jobs: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/cronjobsch.html#cronjobs. see 1.2.4 21:58 lanesboroma is the manula link to me 21:58 lanesboroma manual 21:58 melia no that was for clyiie, who is asking about the fines cron job 21:58 lanesboroma ok, np 21:59 wizzyrea hmmm 21:59 wizzyrea besides being the only win7, what is unique about this computer? 21:59 clyiie will the personnel run the cron on that site 21:59 wizzyrea no, your IT guy will have to set that up 22:00 lanesboroma staples tech yesterday installed with premise of wireless whichi turned off to beon wired only 22:00 lanesboroma he had messed up even printers too 22:00 lanesboroma but was able to getr to koha 22:00 lanesboroma i may go and tuen on wireless just in case 22:00 wizzyrea so it was working yesterday but not today 22:00 lanesboroma yes 22:00 wizzyrea and you changed from wireless to wired 22:00 lanesboroma yes 22:01 wizzyrea ok, you say it browses to other sites fine? 22:01 wizzyrea but just spins and spins on koha 22:01 lanesboroma wireless was on a say 10.58.7.xxx schema and i reverted back to verizon dsl wired 192.168.1.xxx schema 22:01 lanesboroma yes to spinning 22:02 wizzyrea I think this possibly has to do with DNS - I"d double check and see if you can go to a terminal and ping the koha server by name 22:02 wizzyrea start -> run (or windows - r) 22:02 wizzyrea type cmd, press (the affirmative button) 22:03 wizzyrea (I can't remember what it is) 22:03 wizzyrea for me, it would be 22:03 wizzyrea in the black window 22:03 wizzyrea ping catalog.nexpresslibrary.org 22:03 wizzyrea press enter 22:04 wizzyrea for you it would be whatever you type after http:// to get to your catalog 22:04 wizzyrea but leave the http:// off 22:04 wizzyrea if you get no reply, that may mean you can't see the server 22:04 wizzyrea I hve to go pick up my kid now… sorry :( 22:04 lanesboroma ok will try thank you 22:04 lanesboroma if i can't get to server then any ideas? 22:05 wizzyrea well, with DNS 22:05 wizzyrea you can try a different DNS server 22:05 wizzyrea google's dns resolver is 8.8.8.8 for example 22:05 wizzyrea you'll find it in the network settings 22:07 rambutan lanesboroma, you can also try to use your browser to connect to the server using the ip address 22:08 rambutan just put it in the location bar, whatever it is, like 192.168.1.9 22:08 rambutan that will give you the OPAC 22:08 rambutan if you want the staff interface, just use: 22:09 rambutan 192.168.1.9:8080 22:09 rambutan That will bypass the DNS problems 22:10 rambutan of course, if you have a DNS problem you'll want to fix it anyway 22:12 clyiie Melia. Can you give me that link again? 22:13 melia sure: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/cronjobsch.html#cronjobs 22:13 melia you want 1.2.4 Fines 22:13 clyiie Thanks, My koha is 3.8.4 on debian squeeze 22:13 clyiie yes 22:14 melia ok, I think that would be the place to start. if your IT dept sets up the cron job, you should probably see fines after it runs for the first time. 22:15 clyiie Does koha zebra rebuild do the same? 22:15 melia no, that has to do with the search. 22:18 eythian hi 22:21 melia hi eythian :) 22:28 Waylon hiya all 22:39 * chris_n +1's the idea of a vim mode for libreoffice 22:58 rambutan chris_n??? 22:58 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5 22:58 rambutan stupid bot, trix are for kids 22:59 lanesboroma got fix done we had to get wireless only and disable wired to make koha come up but then we needed to config printer office jet to wireless only too, doesn't makesense, 22:59 lanesboroma thank you all 22:59 rambutan glad it got resolved 23:01 eythian chris_n: why not just use vim? 23:02 jcamins_away eythian: it doesn't handle RTF. 23:02 chris_n FTR: I use vim for everything... including making morning coffee ;-) 23:02 eythian RTF is text based 23:03 eythian e.g.: 23:03 eythian {\rtf1\ansi{\fonttbl\f0\fswiss Helvetica;}\f0\pard 23:03 eythian This is some {\b bold} text.\par 23:03 eythian } 23:03 eythian QED, vim can support RTF :) 23:03 jcamins_away lol 23:09 jcamins_away Hehe. Guess that would be a side effect of the last bug. 23:25 jcamins_away mtj: consider yourself berated for changing evals from string to block. 23:25 jcamins_away eval { eval { } }; is a no-op. 23:30 jcamins_away mtj: I think perhaps we should declare a moratorium on further PBP-cleanups until 3.10 is released. 23:34 mtj jcamins_away, yeah, that one was a cock-up :) 23:36 * jcamins_away replaced it with can_load. 23:36 jcamins_away Which is, of course, superior. 23:38 mtj and yes, sounds fine to me :) 23:38 jcamins_away Hm. I can't reproduce bug 8823. 23:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record ($9 RLIN) 23:40 jcamins_away mtj: if you really want to do PBP-y fixes for the next two months, you can try and figure out a different way to use FindBin. 23:41 jcamins_away I'm pretty sure load will *not* work. 23:45 wajasu if you can't get 8823 creating multiple links, i might be able to ask my librarian to tell how they do it. i remember them complaining while testing 3.6 23:48 jcamins_away wajasu: I'd appreciate that. 23:48 jcamins_away Of course, this might be like that other one, which we never actually managed to track down. 23:48 jcamins_away Rather, replicate. 23:48 jcamins_away And by "we" I mean "me." 23:49 jcamins_away You replicated it, and successfully tested my fix. :) 23:53 * jcamins_away asks for a better test plan, goes to make dinner.