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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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Has anyone ever encountered a " Premature end of script headers: itemslost.pl" before? |
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mveron |
Good daytime #koha |
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mveron |
koha-error_log: File does not exist: /koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/img/famfamfam/PR.png |
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mveron |
referrer is: (...)koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=9 |
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good morning #koha |
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Oak |
good morning miss cait |
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cait |
hello mr oak :) |
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Oak |
:) |
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dcook |
Hi Cait! Thanks again for that link to the jQuery library. It's been very helpful. |
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cait |
dcook: :) |
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mveron |
Hi cait :-) |
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cait |
hi mveron :) |
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mveron |
Koha complains about missing image file (...) famfamfam/PR.png |
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ropuch |
Good morning |
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cait |
mveron: hm, maybe it accidently got removed while tidying up? |
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cait |
it looks like one of he small images used in the xslt |
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mveron |
It seems to be related to AV-Medien I suppose. What media type would PR stand for? |
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mveron |
translation typo in xslt? |
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cait |
it's a possibility |
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cait |
does it work for english and has the same name? |
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will have a look (later) |
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cait |
some strings of the xslt files show up in translations - it's really possible there is a mistake there |
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hello |
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hi, reiveune |
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hi ! |
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kindly guide |
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hello :) |
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paul_p |
good morning #koha |
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mtompset |
bonjour, paul_p |
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mtompset |
I think I found an ugly query lurking in the bowels of Koha. |
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mtompset |
And it is a memory sucker! |
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mtompset |
Home -> Reports -> Items Lost |
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mtompset |
If you have a lot of lost items... you get a ugly 500 page back. |
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mtompset |
Turns out GetLostItems in C4::Items has a select * on a join with items, biblio, biblioitems, and authorised_values. |
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hi #koha |
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paul_p |
hi mtompset & kf & others |
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kf |
good morning paul_p |
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hdl |
hi paul_p rangi anyone on 3.8 maintenance ? |
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hdl |
CHI is integrated in 3.8 ? |
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kf |
I think rangi is travelling - he was at the airport yesterday |
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hdl |
kf are you using latest 3.8 ? |
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kf |
no, not yet |
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kf |
hdl: I think jcamins_away would know - but it's a bit too early for him right now |
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hdl |
guess so |
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gaetan_B |
has anyone been having problems with the author facet in 3.8 ? |
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gaetan_B |
it's corretly generated, but i never get results after clicking on an author name |
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kf |
gaetan_B: what does the link look like? |
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kf: cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?&limit=mc-itype,phr:PERIO&sort_by=relevance&limit=au:Kaminsky,%20Jean |
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kf |
hmm |
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wonders if it's an indexing issue rather than a code issue |
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gaetan_B |
hmm if no one here has encountered it, then it's probably somewhere in my configuration |
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and indexing does sound like a very good candidate indeed ;) |
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kf |
hm yeah |
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kf |
but the records are found |
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kf |
it's a bit weird |
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kf |
gaetan_B: I have no 3.8.x installation I can access right now - maybe a bit later today |
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kf |
working on my new vm :) |
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on the phone |
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dcook |
Now that I look at it, I don't understand that link structure at all :S. How was that link produced? |
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kf |
dcook: I think it's a link from the facets |
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mtompset |
Sorry, we're using 3.6.3 |
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mtompset |
haven't upgraded yet. |
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dcook |
I have a 3.8.x install up right now, and the facets don't make links like that |
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kf |
interesting |
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wahanui |
well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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dcook |
http://test38.intersearch.com.[…]rahame,%20Kenneth. |
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kf |
dcook: but you are using MARC21, right? |
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dcook |
Hmm, didn't mean to include the full link there... |
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dcook |
Yep. MARC21 |
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gaetan_B: is probably using Unimarc |
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dcook |
I don't imagine that would change the link though. |
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kf |
the links do not look verydifferent |
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kf |
I think it might depend on what your first search was thaat brought you to the result list |
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dcook |
The top one is missing the "idx" index |
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dcook |
Hmm, maybe |
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dcook |
I am missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in my IRC client |
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kf |
probably translates to : p |
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dcook |
It still seems weird that there would be two limits and no reference to the index |
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dcook |
Ahh, wait. There I think I see how a person could get there... |
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kf |
gaetan_B: I could only test 3.6.3 - there the link works for me |
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kf |
/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=israel%20studies&limit=au:Neusner,%20Jacob&limit=au:Neusner,%20Jacob |
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dcook |
I got this link to work as well: /cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?&limit=mc-itype,phr:BK&sort_by=relevance&limit=au:Till,%20David. |
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dcook |
kf you mentioned that records were found...how did you determine that, when gaetan_B said that there were no results? |
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kf |
I did a search and clicked on the link :) |
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dcook |
I figure that there are either no PERIO item types with author Jean Kaminsky, or the indexing needs to be re-run |
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kf |
and I had results |
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kf |
dcook: for the facets the result list is parsed... there should be resulsts I think |
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dcook |
Right! |
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dcook |
*facepalm* |
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magnuse |
Oak |
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kf |
dcook: don't worry, if we were using facets in a different way it could be the index |
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mtompset |
Anyone care to look at C4::Items GetLostItems and confirm that the SELECT is a horrendous SELECT *? |
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dcook |
Thanks, kf. I admit that I'm stumped and it's 7pm here, so I should call it a day :p |
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mtompset |
You should have stopped an hour ago for supper. ;) |
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dcook |
longingly* OK, it's been a long day. Gotta go. Good luck with GetLostItems, mtompset! |
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mtompset |
That's a lot of name changing, chris_n. :) |
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mtompset |
bug 8329 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8329 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , GetLostItems in C4::Items.pm has a SELECT * |
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gaetan_B |
kf: thanks for the input, i'll keep investigating... |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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drojf1 |
hey marcelr |
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kf_lunch |
hi marcelr :) |
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marcelr |
hi drojf1 kf |
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slef |
hi all |
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marcelr |
hi slef |
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slef |
is rangi or anyone who can put http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/ back up awake? |
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kf_lunch |
rangi is travelling - was at the airport yesterday |
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eythian |
he's off training. |
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eythian |
also, it's 12:43am there |
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eythian |
if we host it, I might be able to make it work. |
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eythian |
ah no, it's a googly thing apparently. I have no idea how that works. |
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eythian |
10:43am rather |
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eythian |
so he could be I suppose |
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* mtompset |
waves bye. |
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kf_lunch |
I think someone talked about moving it |
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kf_lunch |
from the server where it used to be - maybe a domain thing? |
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eythian |
I dunno |
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slef |
oh well - I was trying to point someone at a talk from kohacon10 - would be nice to have it back some time. Do you think rangi knows about it or should I ask someone else? |
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kf_lunch |
hm maybe we can find the talk? |
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kf_lunch |
I think they were not on the same server, the video recordings |
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eythian |
slef: I dunno. Can't hurt to ask him, he'll at least know who to pass it on to. |
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slef |
kf_lunch: I think recordings were on blip.tv by anitsirk |
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slef |
kf_lunch: thanks for the reminder :) |
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magnuse |
http://blip.tv/the-curious-and-wondering-eye |
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slef |
@later tell rangi could you put http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/ back or pass me on, please? |
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huginn |
slef: The operation succeeded. |
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slef |
eythian: thanks |
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jcamins |
hdl1: CHI is integrated into 3.10, but not 3.8 yet. |
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jcamins |
I am not sure if rangi is going to be backporting it. |
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jcamins |
Probably not. |
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jcamins |
hdl1: it isn't fully integrated into 3.10 yet. dpavlin is working on a patch. |
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mtompset |
Hello, #koha |
| 11:49 |
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mtompset |
While hunting for my GetLostItems bug, I discovered a problem... the server is continually running out of memory. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: how much RAM does the server have? |
| 11:50 |
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mtompset |
512MB |
| 11:50 |
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jcamins |
That would be your problem. |
| 11:50 |
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mtompset |
So all our zebra indexing problems might be a memory problem too. |
| 11:51 |
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jcamins |
Probably not. |
| 11:51 |
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mtompset |
Considering a DB dump is 300MB+ |
| 11:51 |
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jcamins |
Wait, how many records do you have? |
| 11:51 |
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jcamins |
I thought you had a large database. |
| 11:51 |
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mtompset |
Large for us. |
| 11:51 |
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mtompset |
Probably not for you. :) |
| 11:51 |
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jcamins |
I think maybe I got you confused with someone else. |
| 11:51 |
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mtompset |
I think there is just over 39K items. |
| 11:52 |
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jcamins |
So, pretty small. |
| 11:52 |
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jcamins |
512MB won't be enough for production, but that should be fine for testing. |
| 11:52 |
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jcamins |
The problem is that Apache uses a lot of RAM. |
| 11:52 |
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mtompset |
stopped apache and mysql 468MB free... |
| 11:52 |
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jcamins |
The problem's Apache. |
| 11:52 |
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jcamins |
Without any doubt. |
| 11:52 |
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mtompset |
restarted them 367MB free. |
| 11:53 |
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kf |
mtompset: how are you indexing your records? |
| 11:53 |
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jcamins |
If MySQL is using too muchof your RAM, it means that you have MySQL configured wrong. |
| 11:53 |
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mtompset |
And there seemed to be a bit of a memory leak too. |
| 11:54 |
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jcamins |
Right, that memory leak is Apache. ;) |
| 11:55 |
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mtompset |
test? |
| 11:55 |
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* wahanui |
does a testing dance |
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mtompset |
:( |
| 11:55 |
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mtompset |
I forgot the / issue. |
| 11:55 |
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mtompset |
/usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r |
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mtompset |
But jcamins, that's like 1MB leak per OPAC query... at least for a few of them. |
| 11:57 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: each time Apache is started, it uses ~25MB. |
| 11:57 |
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jcamins |
(I think) |
| 11:57 |
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jcamins |
One Apache process is started for every single HTTP request. |
| 11:58 |
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jcamins |
Eventually they end, and your memory usage goes down, but on a system with 512MB/RAM, they'll deadlock and explode first. |
| 11:59 |
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mtompset |
I was going to suggest bumping it up to 1GB... It's a VM, and our host provider might not like going higher. |
| 11:59 |
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jcamins |
1GB should work pretty well. |
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mtompset |
Actually, I was trying to figure the memory use per query... it's somewhere between 40 and 50MB. |
| 12:01 |
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mtompset |
Of course, perhaps that is because of our named host setup. |
| 12:01 |
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jcamins |
I'd believe it. |
| 12:01 |
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mtompset |
both are port 80. |
| 12:01 |
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jcamins |
That's how I have mine set up, too. |
| 12:02 |
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jcamins |
My 25MB was from memory. I could easily be off by a factor of two. |
| 12:03 |
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jcamins |
paul_p: have I convinced you on bug 6557 yet? |
| 12:03 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6557 normal, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , biblioitems.totalissues unused |
| 12:04 |
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marcelr |
:-) |
| 12:04 |
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paul_p |
jcamins in fact, I'll push the patch, but I consider it's a dirty one. But as there is a lot of dirtyness in this area, it would require too much effort -from far !- to do it another way |
| 12:04 |
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jcamins |
paul_p: agreed. |
| 12:04 |
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jcamins |
As I said, my ideal would be to only do the update on indexing, but that's not really an option until 3.14 |
| 12:05 |
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hdl1 |
jcamins: ok /me saw that. |
| 12:05 |
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mtompset |
What happens on 3.14? |
| 12:05 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: we've had DOM long enough that I can start removing features that work around GRS-1's limitations. |
| 12:06 |
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mtompset |
So, 3.14 we remove GRS-1 completely? |
| 12:06 |
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jcamins |
At least, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. :) |
| 12:06 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: hey, a man can dream. :) |
| 12:07 |
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mtompset |
I fear to ask, but curious demands it... What is GRS-1? |
| 12:07 |
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jcamins |
The indexing schema that Zebra uses. |
| 12:07 |
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jcamins |
Starting with 3.10, DOM will be available. |
| 12:07 |
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jcamins |
DOM actually works. :) |
| 12:07 |
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magnuse |
mtompset: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/grs.html |
| 12:08 |
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mtompset |
A quick skim brings fear! That was a standard? |
| 12:09 |
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jcamins |
Well... I don't know that "standard" is quite the right word. |
| 12:09 |
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mtompset |
Okay... the way they did it. |
| 12:09 |
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jcamins |
Right. They had the good sense to deprecate it about five years ago. |
| 12:10 |
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mtompset |
And we still have it in Koha?! |
| 12:11 |
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mtompset |
(well, work arounds for it) |
| 12:11 |
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jcamins |
As far as I can tell, it was introduced into Koha after it was deprecated, actually... I'm not sure why. |
| 12:11 |
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jcamins |
However, 3.10 is ushering in a glorious new era of DOM and solr. |
| 12:12 |
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mtompset |
probably because there was more documentation back then. |
| 12:12 |
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mtompset |
it's all about the documentation. |
| 12:12 |
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jcamins |
Yes, that would make sense. |
| 12:13 |
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mtompset |
a perfect programming language will never be used unless it is documented. :) |
| 12:13 |
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mtompset |
What is solr? |
| 12:13 |
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wahanui |
i heard solr was fast |
| 12:14 |
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jcamins |
It is that, yes. |
| 12:14 |
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jcamins |
It's a different indexing engine: http://lucene.apache.org/solr/ |
| 12:14 |
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mtompset |
wait a second... |
| 12:14 |
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mtompset |
you were just harping on Apache for seeming memory leaks. |
| 12:15 |
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mtompset |
Is solr an apache innovation? |
| 12:15 |
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jcamins |
It's not httpd that's leaking. |
| 12:15 |
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jcamins |
It's the Apache processes. |
| 12:16 |
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jcamins |
It's not actually leaking, per se. |
| 12:16 |
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jcamins |
It's just that it loads a staggering amount into memory every time it receives a query. |
| 12:16 |
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mtompset |
It's not getting garbage collected quickly. |
| 12:16 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 12:16 |
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jcamins |
On an infinitely fast system with an infinite amount of RAM, RAM usage would actually stay quite low. :) |
| 12:17 |
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mtompset |
Mmm.... reminds me of "the god chip" discussions I had in university. |
| 12:17 |
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mtompset |
There are two versions... |
| 12:17 |
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mtompset |
One is all-knowing statically. |
| 12:18 |
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mtompset |
There other is apparently all-knowing, because it is infinitely fast. |
| 12:19 |
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mtompset |
Low Ram usage implies the latter. ;) |
| 12:21 |
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mtompset |
So, in terms of solr, does that mean the zebra pieces will disappear? |
| 12:21 |
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jcamins |
Possibly eventually. |
| 12:21 |
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jcamins |
However, not until the solr implementation is entirely mature. |
| 12:22 |
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jcamins |
Also, there needs to be some option for relatively low memory systems. |
| 12:23 |
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mtompset |
The only reason I discovered this memory issue while hunting for an inexplicable bug in GetLostItems. |
| 12:23 |
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mtompset |
Turns out that C4::Items GetLostItems needs to be patched. |
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mtompset |
It has a SELECT * |
| 12:23 |
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mtompset |
on items, biblio, and biblioitems, and authorised_values. |
| 12:24 |
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mtompset |
bug 8329 |
| 12:24 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8329 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , GetLostItems in C4::Items.pm has a SELECT * |
| 12:24 |
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kf |
mtompset: you can write a patch :) |
| 12:24 |
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mtompset |
Can't... don't have a git source. |
| 12:24 |
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mtompset |
I made a suggestion. |
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alex_a1 |
bonjour |
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wahanui |
bonjour, alex_a1 |
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| 12:25 |
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jcamins_mib |
I need to switch servers. This host has been having serious connectivity issues. |
| 12:25 |
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mtompset |
I know the bug is still in 3.6.6 |
| 12:25 |
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mtompset |
even though I'm working with 3.6.3 |
| 12:25 |
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jcamins_mib |
You should submit a patch for GetLostItems if it hasn't been fixed yet. |
| 12:26 |
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jcamins_mib |
Bug 8329 |
| 12:26 |
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jcamins_mib |
Oh, you reported it. |
| 12:26 |
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jcamins_mib |
Excellent. |
| 12:26 |
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mtompset |
If I can't patch, I can at least write something. |
| 12:26 |
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jcamins_mib |
Now you just need to patch it! |
| 12:26 |
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jcamins_mib |
Aw, you can do it! |
| 12:27 |
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mtompset |
I've got a bash scripting fest to finish. |
| 12:27 |
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mtompset |
I don't like git. |
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jcamins_mib |
Given how many bugs everyone already has on their lists, it'll probably wait for you. :) |
| 12:27 |
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jcamins_mib |
Oh, that's just 'cause you haven't made friends yet. |
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jcamins_mib |
git? |
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wahanui |
well, git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
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jcamins_mib |
It is about a million times more pleasant to use than CVS. |
| 12:28 |
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mtompset |
I fixed it in my system. :P |
| 12:29 |
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jcamins_mib |
And when you upgrade (which you are going to want to do), it'll break again. |
| 12:29 |
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jcamins_mib |
Ask Waylon about this. |
| 12:29 |
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mtompset |
So far, it's been a small number. :) |
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jcamins_mib |
(he isn't here now) |
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schuster |
But I am! |
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jcamins_mib |
schuster! Good morning. |
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mtompset |
Well, one of my bugs got patched current. :) |
| 12:31 |
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mtompset |
Yes, but the patch I'd give wouldn't be perfect... it would be functional. |
| 12:32 |
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jcamins_mib |
Hint: functional is better than not. |
| 12:34 |
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mtompset |
And if I write bug reports, then I know which one's I have to fix again on an upgrade. ;) |
| 12:35 |
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jcamins_mib |
Lots of people have had this thought. |
| 12:35 |
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jcamins_mib |
Believe me, they *all* end up on #koha asking for help with their code. |
| 12:36 |
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drojf |
i never do |
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drojf |
:D |
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jcamins_mib |
drojf: don't you use git? |
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drojf |
i do |
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drojf |
i probably dont know what you are actually talking about since i just came in ;) |
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jcamins_mib |
My point was that people who _don't_ use git need help reconciling their changes. |
| 12:37 |
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mtompset |
I don't. :P I'm not the average person. ;) |
| 12:38 |
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mtompset |
Of course... we'll see how that holds up on an upgrade. :) |
| 12:38 |
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jcamins_mib |
Just so long as you understand that not only is this a case of "I cannot help you," this is a case of "I will not help you." |
| 12:38 |
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mtompset |
Oooo... tough love? I feel it. :) |
| 12:39 |
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mtompset |
I don't have the disk space on my netbook to set up the git test environment. :( |
| 12:39 |
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drojf |
use a real computer? :P |
| 12:40 |
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jcamins_mib |
Or a raspberry pi. |
| 12:40 |
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wahanui |
well, a raspberry pi is arm-based |
| 12:40 |
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drojf |
but seriously, git is great, and i just started using it and probably do not even know the cool stuff |
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drojf |
lol jcamins |
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kf |
drojf: you know you can ask :) |
| 12:41 |
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mtompset |
As for a real computer... I work on a donation basis. |
| 12:41 |
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kf |
well... I probably don't know the cool stuff, but I love git :) |
| 12:41 |
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mtompset |
So, if you donate, I'll get a real computer. :) |
| 12:41 |
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schuster |
git is still a lot of magic in a box to me but it is cool!! |
| 12:42 |
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drojf |
mtompset: i really use a raspberry pi for development. its $35 |
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* jcamins_mib |
is very jealous of drojf's raspberry pi. ;) |
| 12:43 |
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mtompset |
But they are back ordered for like month. |
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mtompset |
months. |
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jcamins |
That's why I'm jealous. |
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drojf |
i think they should have reached the end of that soon |
| 12:44 |
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drojf |
but i might be wrong |
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drojf |
mtompset: but you could also just put a 8gb usb flash thingy in the netbook? that should be <$10 |
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eythian |
http://linux.slashdot.org/stor[…]o-cross-the-ocean <-- drojf |
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drojf |
hahaha thats fantastic |
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mtompset |
Thanks for the reminder, drojf |
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mtompset |
I'm setting something now. |
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mtompset |
It's a slow USB thumb drive, but it should suffice for a koha setup. |
| 13:06 |
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mtompset |
And a reformat to NTFS from FAT. |
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eythian |
ext4 perhaps? |
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Waylon |
hiya all |
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Waylon |
How is Solr support coming in 3.8? and is it faster than zebrasrv? i find zebrasrv spending time in IO alot. |
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mtompset |
I'm under Windoze. |
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mtompset |
I'll be running Koha in a VM. |
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mtompset |
What is solr |
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wahanui |
well, solr is fast |
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Waylon |
yea, I know.. but how fast/ |
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Waylon |
? |
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eythian |
Waylon: I don't see zebra spending a lot of time on IO |
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Waylon |
solr is an alternative index and search engine than zebrasrv |
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eythian |
I find zebra to be quite fast |
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Waylon |
hmm... |
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drojf |
i think solr is expected to be in 3.10 |
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Waylon |
its in master now though? |
| 13:12 |
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drojf |
is it pushed? |
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magnuse |
bug 8233 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else |
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eythian |
I'm not sure if it's in master yet, I don't think it is quite |
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Waylon |
and yea, in iotop, ive seen zebrasrv instances hit 99% and stay for a bit. |
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Waylon |
under 10 concurrent users, 5 second delay between search batches |
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magnuse |
looks like solr is almost ready to pass qa |
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Waylon |
and an average of 15 seconds response time. |
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Waylon |
so.. yeah... |
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Waylon |
this is koha 3.0.0.094 |
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kf |
15 seconds?? |
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eythian |
that is a bit older than my experience. |
| 13:14 |
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Waylon |
15 seconds. |
| 13:14 |
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eythian |
But also a lot slower. |
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kf |
that's a lot |
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kf |
I haven't expereinced that |
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Waylon |
max of 25 |
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Waylon |
so yea... not too happy about it. |
| 13:15 |
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kf |
but there might be another reason than zebra |
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eythian |
Running in a vm on a crappy netbook I got faster results than that. |
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kf |
I think solr is fast, but you have to feed it with hardware |
| 13:15 |
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eythian |
yeah |
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kf |
so probably would still be slow on old hardware |
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jcamins |
Waylon: hey, we were just talking about you. |
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Waylon |
this is on a quadcore xeon something. |
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Waylon |
hi jcamins |
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mtompset |
oh, that is something to begin the coveting. ;) |
| 13:16 |
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Waylon |
Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E31270 @ 3.40GHz |
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Waylon |
maybe i should throw more memory at it? |
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eythian |
how much do you have? |
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drojf |
maybe you should throw a newer version of koha at it |
| 13:17 |
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Waylon |
currently giving the vm's 4 gigs. |
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eythian |
how big is your zebra database? |
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eythian |
oh, it's in a VM |
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eythian |
is your VM being an IO bottleneck? |
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Waylon |
3.5 gigs for the dev/update test servers |
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Waylon |
possibly. |
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Waylon |
no idea. |
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Waylon |
thats the big question. |
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eythian |
basically, if zebra is slow, I wouldn't expect solr to be better unless it's a configuration issue. |
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mtompset |
3.5gigs?! Oh my... we have a SMALL database by comparison. |
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Waylon |
oh, the db? no.. i mean ram for the dev/update test server |
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jcamins |
Waylon: I would reiterate my earlier statement that optimizing is premature until you've moved to a version of Koha that is at least semi-modern. |
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Waylon |
what were you saying about me jcamins ? |
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Waylon |
and yeah.. i do keep reiterating that to my boss. |
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drojf |
semi-modern *giggles* |
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eythian |
Waylon: how big is your zebra database? |
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eythian |
typically they're not too far off being able to hold in RAM |
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jcamins |
Waylon: that you can confirm for mtompset how painful it is to not keep your code changes in version control. |
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* mtompset |
laughs, "I know you are right, jcamins." |
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Waylon |
oh hell yea |
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eythian |
yeah, don't do that. |
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eythian |
it's hard enough when your changes are in version control |
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eythian |
without making things worse |
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Waylon |
mtompset, if your finger waggled even a little bit, log it. |
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mtompset |
Okay, simple question... how do I export data from Koha? |
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eythian |
that's not a simple question :) |
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jcamins |
mtompset: what data? |
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wahanui |
somebody said data was here. |
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eythian |
what do you want to export? |
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Waylon |
entire zebradb lib directory, is 5.1 gig. |
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* Oak |
waves |
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eythian |
no wahanui, data is the plural of datum, not anecdote. |
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mtompset |
not the setting, but all the data (items?) |
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wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
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Oak |
magnuse |
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Waylon |
5.2. |
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eythian |
Waylon: you might benefit from giving it 8GB then, assuming you're on 64-bit. |
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mtompset |
There's a nice batchimport of MARC records. |
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eythian |
mtompset: in what way? marc or SQL dump? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: you can export the MARC records, or you could do a partial SQL dump. It depends what you want. |
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mtompset |
I'd like to go MARC, so I can transplant to a different version of Koha without worries of architecture. |
| 13:23 |
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Waylon |
hmm... the servers only have 8 gig a piece.. should i just ditch the vm's, go bare metal, and get a third machine for dev/upgrade test stuff? |
| 13:23 |
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Oak |
eythian: i was wondering, is using koha on a 64 bit deiban stable (just like on a 32bit system) or are there issues? |
| 13:23 |
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eythian |
mtompset: that doesn't sound like a reasonable reason :) |
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* Waylon |
is running koha 3.0.0pre2 on lenny 64bit |
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eythian |
Waylon: that might be not a bad idea |
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Waylon |
runs fine. |
| 13:24 |
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eythian |
Oak: there's no reason for 64 bit to have issues |
| 13:24 |
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mtompset |
hey... code differences I can tweak... DB differences are ever more hellish. |
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Oak |
okay got it |
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* mtompset |
laughs. |
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eythian |
it's the standard architecture these days :) |
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Oak |
:) okay cool |
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eythian |
mtompset: well, mysql dumps shouldn't be too different between mysql version, and koha handles upgrading koha versions. |
| 13:25 |
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jcamins |
Waylon: I guess it's possible that part of the problem is that 3.0.0-beta2 did weird things with Zebra, but I wouldn't count on it. |
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magnuse |
Oak |
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jcamins |
Oak: I only use Debian Squeeze 64-bit . |
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Oak |
jcamins! |
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wahanui |
jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins |
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Oak |
thankyou |
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jcamins |
Oak! |
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mtompset |
I see where you are going eythian, but let's say MARC... I'd like to get my 3.6.3 data into a 3.8.2 system. :) |
| 13:26 |
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Waylon |
hmm.. though, disavantage with going bare metal, is its much harder to recover from. with VM's, its an easy DD onto the lvm partition, and then start up the vm. |
| 13:26 |
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Oak |
okay then, I'll start downloading 64 bit debian now |
| 13:26 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: the upgrade works pretty much prefectly. |
| 13:26 |
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Waylon |
backing up is again, piece of cake. lvm snapshot. |
| 13:26 |
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jcamins |
Waylon: see above about premature optimization. |
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eythian |
Waylon: well then give your VM 7GB :) |
| 13:26 |
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eythian |
but, upgrade first |
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eythian |
it'll be worth it anyhow |
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jcamins |
Not just worth it. |
| 13:27 |
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jcamins |
It is necessary. |
| 13:27 |
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eythian |
mtompset: I think the export tool can do that. |
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mtompset |
So, I could mysqldump... create the DB's, and then do an upgrade install? |
| 13:27 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: right. |
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eythian |
in tools->export bibliographic... |
| 13:27 |
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eythian |
that's what I would do |
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eythian |
in fact, it's what I do do. |
| 13:27 |
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jcamins |
eythian is giving you the instructions for exporting MARC, but I'm lazy, and just dump the entire DB. |
| 13:27 |
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eythian |
yeah, I meant above that DB dumps is what I do do. |
| 13:28 |
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Waylon |
Waylon! |
| 13:28 |
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jcamins |
Waylon: tell your bosses that the performance issue is because of the version, and there's no way to improve it unless they shell out to get the local modifications integrated. |
| 13:28 |
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Waylon |
hahaha! |
| 13:28 |
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jcamins |
No, seriously. |
| 13:28 |
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jcamins |
You will not be wrong. |
| 13:28 |
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Waylon |
oh.. i thought that was the bot. |
| 13:28 |
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eythian |
hehe |
| 13:28 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 13:29 |
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jcamins |
That would've been even cooler. |
| 13:29 |
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jcamins |
wahanui: Waylon is <reply>Waylon: tell your bosses that the performance issue is because of the version, and there's no way to improve it unless they shell out to get the local modifications integrated.5D |
| 13:29 |
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wahanui |
...but waylon is the 33rd contributor to Koha. Currently works for Mandumah.com.... |
| 13:29 |
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schuster |
I'm working on putting together a "FRESH" debian 3.8 install for development and when I get to the memcached server question do I still want to say no? I have not played with that yet. |
| 13:29 |
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jcamins |
wahanui: no, Waylon is <reply>Waylon: tell your bosses that the performance issue is because of the version, and there's no way to improve it unless they shell out to get the local modifications integrated. |
| 13:29 |
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wahanui |
...but waylon is the 33rd contributor to Koha. Currently works for Mandumah.com.... |
| 13:29 |
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jcamins |
forget waylon |
| 13:29 |
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wahanui |
jcamins: I forgot waylon |
| 13:29 |
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jcamins |
wahanui: Waylon is <reply>Waylon: tell your bosses that the performance issue is because of the version, and there's no way to improve it unless they shell out to get the local modifications integrated. |
| 13:29 |
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wahanui |
OK, jcamins. |
| 13:30 |
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jcamins |
waylon |
| 13:30 |
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jcamins |
waylon! |
| 13:30 |
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jcamins |
Waylon |
| 13:30 |
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jcamins |
Waylon? |
| 13:30 |
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wahanui |
Waylon: tell wahanui's bosses that the performance issue is because of the version, and there's no way to improve it unless they shell out to get the local modifications integrated. |
| 13:30 |
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jcamins |
Oh well. |
| 13:30 |
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jcamins |
It's not perfect. |
| 13:30 |
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Waylon |
33rd developer and im stranded in old code. |
| 13:30 |
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schuster |
you go jcamins! |
| 13:30 |
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* Waylon |
hasn't even looked at the new koha code. |
| 13:30 |
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mtompset |
What version are you running? |
| 13:31 |
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schuster |
Waylon - there are sooo many new features and functionality in Koha have you done a comparison of features to determine what you would have to "rebuild" vs what has already been integrated? |
| 13:31 |
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jcamins |
schuster: I use memcached in production, and have it configured on my development server, but manually shut it down when testing things. |
| 13:31 |
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Waylon |
koha 3.0.0.094 with patches imported from later versions, without git updating. |
| 13:31 |
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jcamins |
(depending on what I'm testing) |
| 13:31 |
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schuster |
jcamins - is it hard to setup? from what you just said I would probably not run it then in dev mode thanks. |
| 13:31 |
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Waylon |
so its a mess. |
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jcamins |
schuster: super easy. |
| 13:31 |
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mtompset |
OH MY! !#!@$ That's horrid. |
| 13:31 |
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drojf |
Waylon: what local changes do you have that koha does not have now in some form that you rely on? |
| 13:32 |
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eythian |
Yeah, when I do a 3.4/3.6->3.8 upgrade, I usually cut the custom patches from 30 down to about 5. |
| 13:33 |
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eythian |
and those 5 are usually deal with client-specific CSS etc. |
| 13:33 |
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schuster |
Waylon - There are demos that you can look at on the koha community site for comparison without installing etc... You know we all here are more than happy to respond as well to questions of current functionality. |
| 13:33 |
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jcamins |
Wait a minute! I've heard of mandumah. |
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jcamins |
:) |
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eythian |
jcamins: the wahanui update format is "no wahanui, something is something else" |
| 13:35 |
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jcamins |
Waylon: the following pages on the wiki are relevant to performance tuning, but not for 3.0: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Koha_Tuning_Guide, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Tuning, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack |
| 13:35 |
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mtompset |
might lose connectivity... |
| 13:35 |
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jcamins |
Also, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Performance |
| 13:35 |
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Waylon |
okay.. lemme see... access restrictions based on ip range, referer, download urls that go to a opac-download page, count the number of downloads against the borrower (in our version of koha, a borrower represents all of a university), counts the number of logins that borrower does, ip range access blacklisting, hmm... abuse of the branch table to create seperate libraries, one can search all at once or just one of them, borrowers can be rest |
| 13:35 |
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Waylon |
ricted to certain branches... |
| 13:35 |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
| 13:35 |
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huginn |
kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.8°C (3:30 PM CEST on June 28, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:35 |
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Waylon |
I think theres some arabic mods also. |
| 13:36 |
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jcamins |
Waylon: so you need to add some analytics features to current Koha. |
| 13:36 |
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Waylon |
hmm? |
| 13:36 |
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Oak |
hello kf :) |
| 13:36 |
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jcamins |
What you described is done by Koha, other than the analytics. |
| 13:36 |
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schuster |
Waylon - there has been a ton of development for right to left and Unicode that you could probably take advantage of now that were not in 3.0 and with PLACK and TT performance issues would dry up and you would be current on code. |
| 13:36 |
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Waylon |
our db is in utf8 |
| 13:36 |
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mtompset |
abuse of the branch table? |
| 13:37 |
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jcamins |
I don't think *anything* in those four pages I sent you would be suitable for 3.0. |
| 13:37 |
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mtompset |
That sounds like what someone was talking about in the koha-developer list recently. |
| 13:37 |
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Waylon |
yeah. items belong to branches, or libraries. |
| 13:37 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: apparently back pre-3.0 it didn't work the way it does now? |
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* jcamins |
shrugs. |
| 13:37 |
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Waylon |
and zebra searches for stuff + limit by branch |
| 13:37 |
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mtompset |
If the current system isn't a VM, VM it. |
| 13:38 |
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jcamins |
So, basically you have hacked together a lot of Koha's current features. |
| 13:38 |
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mtompset |
Set up a newer system. |
| 13:38 |
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mtompset |
And then switch VM's once everyone is happy. |
| 13:38 |
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jcamins |
mtompset++ # this is the way to do it. |
| 13:38 |
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jcamins |
Waylon: all Koha DBs should be in utf-8. Koha does not like DBs in any character set other than utf-8. |
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schuster |
hmmm I'm trying to setup this dev system and it keeps failing at "Tried to use 'Koha::Cache::Memcached' "Tests were run but no plan was declared and done_testing() was not seen. FAILED and stops. |
| 13:39 |
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schuster |
Suggestions? |
| 13:39 |
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wahanui |
Suggestions are broken at the moment - I can't accept those for German :( |
| 13:39 |
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Waylon |
the current system, vm'ed and load balanced, is responding only 94% of the time. |
| 13:39 |
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* mtompset |
nods. |
| 13:40 |
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Waylon |
thats not even including when we do the daily zebrasrv rebuild. |
| 13:40 |
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jcamins |
schuster: ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m |
| 13:40 |
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jcamins |
Or whatever it is. |
| 13:40 |
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jcamins |
You do a daily rebuild? |
| 13:40 |
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schuster |
comes up clear |
| 13:40 |
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jcamins |
Your system is broken. |
| 13:40 |
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eythian |
why do you do a daily rebuild? |
| 13:40 |
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jcamins |
Give up on this. |
| 13:40 |
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Waylon |
yeah. found that without it, zebra would break for some reason. |
| 13:40 |
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schuster |
jcamins - who are you talking to? schuster or Waylon? |
| 13:41 |
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mtompset |
if you are using ubuntu, then you dselect the packages from the ubuntu list. |
| 13:41 |
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kf |
jcamins: I had the same problem with running the tests yesterday |
| 13:41 |
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jcamins |
I am not joking. There is no hope that you are going to be able to resolve this without upgrading to a version of Koha from within the last year. |
| 13:41 |
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kf |
jcamins: also lots of complaints about cachng when running make test |
| 13:41 |
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jcamins |
schuster: Waylon. I'm trying your problem. |
| 13:41 |
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jcamins |
schuster: I see no reason for hopelessness wrt the cache. |
| 13:42 |
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Waylon |
admittedly, it was some time ago that I found this out, maybe it was a problem with koha 3.0.0.094 that i never fixed? |
| 13:42 |
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jcamins |
Quite possibly, but you are trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. |
| 13:42 |
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mtompset |
to put it nicely. |
| 13:42 |
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jcamins |
*After* the sow's ear has already decomposed. |
| 13:43 |
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Waylon |
i think its going to take ages to get to modern koha... and boss is looking into OpenJournal or something. |
| 13:44 |
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Waylon |
PHP brainrot. |
| 13:44 |
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mtompset |
Why look into something else, when a newer FREE version of the existing software exists? |
| 13:46 |
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jcamins |
Waylon: to be honest, I think you'd be better off going to OpenJournal than insisting on using the mess you have now. :( |
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kf |
mtompset: as I see it from the feature list Waylon is using koha not as an ILS |
| 13:47 |
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Waylon |
honestly, no, its more a digital library archive. |
| 13:47 |
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kf |
at least it looks like it :) |
| 13:47 |
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Waylon |
Of course, if they go to OJS, ill be out of a job. |
| 13:48 |
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schuster |
kf did you get your test to complete? |
| 13:48 |
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Waylon |
Meh.. prehaps too difficult a task, being stuck in this mess. |
| 13:48 |
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kf |
schuster: no, I just continued without completing it - but it's my test installation, so I can mess that up as much as I want :) |
| 13:48 |
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drojf |
Waylon: where do you work? |
| 13:49 |
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Waylon |
online part-time contracting, for Mandumah.com |
| 13:49 |
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mtompset |
why would you be out of a job? |
| 13:49 |
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mtompset |
oh |
| 13:49 |
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Waylon |
well OJS is PHP. |
| 13:49 |
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schuster |
kf - so you just did the make install and went on and things mostly work? |
| 13:49 |
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Waylon |
and my god.... its a whole different philosophy |
| 13:49 |
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mtompset |
You aren't a salaried employee which could be expected to grow professionally and just do it. |
| 13:50 |
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drojf |
heh that site is a bit too much arabic for me to understand. but it's a university? |
| 13:50 |
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Waylon |
google translate does okay on it. |
| 13:50 |
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* eythian |
is not convinced moving to PHP is "growing" |
| 13:50 |
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Waylon |
no, its a digital services vendor. |
| 13:50 |
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drojf |
ok |
| 13:50 |
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Waylon |
flagship project is the digital library archive of thousands of arabic journals. |
| 13:51 |
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Waylon |
pdf format. |
| 13:51 |
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Waylon |
very nicely marc'ed up |
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drojf |
aaah you are the guy that wanted to encrypt the biblio ids or something a short time ago? |
| 13:51 |
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Waylon |
yea. |
| 13:52 |
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kf |
schuster: yes |
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Waylon |
or at least make them so someone can't just wget and increment biblio numbers to download the entire library. |
| 13:52 |
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kf |
schuster: I did not activate caching tho |
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kf |
but I did activate dom indexing and icu - looking forward to test it out :) |
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eythian |
Waylon: hash 'em with a secret |
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Waylon |
kf: caching? zebrasrv does caching? |
| 13:53 |
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eythian |
Waylon: memcache does caching |
| 13:53 |
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eythian |
though not in 3.0 :) |
| 13:53 |
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Waylon |
ahh yea |
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Waylon |
so yea, i see zebrasrv spending alot of time... perl spending alot of time, and by the time it gets back to the return, its sometimes too late. |
| 13:55 |
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eythian |
does iotop tell you anything useful> |
| 13:55 |
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eythian |
? |
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Waylon |
zebrasrv spending alot of io time. |
| 13:55 |
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eythian |
it really shouldn't. |
| 13:55 |
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eythian |
How many records do you have? |
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Waylon |
register directory is 5.1 gigabytes |
| 13:56 |
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eythian |
yeah, but how many records do you have? |
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Waylon |
hmm.. no idea. |
| 13:56 |
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eythian |
is it proportional to the 5.1GB? |
| 13:57 |
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eythian |
I should expect ~250,000 records for that zebra size. |
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Waylon |
162071 biblios |
| 13:57 |
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eythian |
OK, not too far off |
| 13:57 |
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Waylon |
each biblio has a biblioitems and at least one item. |
| 13:58 |
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Waylon |
and a very fleshed out marcxml |
| 13:58 |
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eythian |
yeah, I think the records I was comparing to are a bit smaller |
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Waylon |
I could adjust the vm's, give 6 gig each to koha vm, and only 1.5 gig each to the dev vms. |
| 13:59 |
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Waylon |
2 gig make a big difference? |
| 13:59 |
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eythian |
Impossible to say |
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jcamins |
Waylon: not as big a difference as using a version of the system that we could help you with. |
| 14:04 |
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schuster |
kf thanks for the advice - I'm always hesitant to move forward even on my test system with "testing" doesn't complete. |
| 14:04 |
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kf |
schuster: no guarantees - I didn't figure out why it failed and it's only a dev system for me |
| 14:04 |
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kf |
schuster: so doesn't matter if I break it |
| 14:05 |
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jcamins |
I'll track down the problem when I can. |
| 14:05 |
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jcamins |
The problem is I can't seem to duplicate it. |
| 14:05 |
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jcamins |
Not even with pbuilder. |
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kf |
jcamins: perhaps because you have all modules installed? |
| 14:05 |
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kf |
I suspect I am missing a dependency |
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kf |
I didn't cpan the chi modules |
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* slef |
forms a dependency on kf... send me money :) |
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* mtompset |
smirks. |
| 14:06 |
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kf |
hey! |
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* mtompset |
has a musical flashback: http://youtu.be/9k5ooaufrLM |
| 14:12 |
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mtompset |
(The Beatles - Money) |
| 14:14 |
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mtompset |
Out of curiousity, if I submit patches to the bug reports that I made, will that speed them up in terms of getting processed through? |
| 14:15 |
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eythian |
very much so |
| 14:16 |
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jcamins |
yes. |
| 14:16 |
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kf |
yes |
| 14:16 |
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eythian |
otherwise you're waiting for someone to care enough to write a patch for you |
| 14:16 |
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jcamins |
If you don't submit patches, chances are the bugs won't go anywhere. |
| 14:16 |
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Waylon |
^^ |
| 14:16 |
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kf |
mtompset: most koha developers work for a koha support provider, so they spent time on things they get paid for first |
| 14:16 |
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* Waylon |
nods. |
| 14:16 |
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Waylon |
Sadly, im getting paid to work on an antique |
| 14:17 |
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jcamins |
I have 15 bugs assigned to me that don't have patches yet. |
| 14:17 |
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kf |
and he is writing patches like crazy :) |
| 14:17 |
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jcamins |
There are numerous others that I would like to work on. |
| 14:17 |
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* kf |
got a long list for testing! |
| 14:17 |
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kf |
yeah, it's also a big time problem |
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mtompset |
So, if I provide a patch, it is quite likely to speed up the process? |
| 14:17 |
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kf |
not that people don't want to fix bugs |
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kf |
mtompset: yes |
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kf |
mtompset: the next step is somone else testing your patch, than it moves on to qa if it's good and after that it pushed into Koha |
| 14:18 |
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jcamins |
If you provide a patch for a bug like this, there's a very good chance somewhere will test and sign off on it in the next two months. |
| 14:18 |
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jcamins |
The trick to encouraging that to happen is lots of cheerful reminders to people who care about related functionality. |
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* slef |
smiles at Waylon |
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* slef |
should be paid to replace some antiques next month |
| 14:18 |
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eythian |
jcamins: only 15? luxury! |
| 14:19 |
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jcamins |
eythian: I only assign bugs that I am *definitely* patching to myself. |
| 14:19 |
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eythian |
ah right :) I got lots by default |
| 14:19 |
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Waylon |
hmm? mandumah is not the only one to use old code, slef ? |
| 14:20 |
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magnuse |
paul_p recently did an upgrade from 2.2.x :-) |
| 14:20 |
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Waylon |
wow. |
| 14:20 |
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eythian |
I did one of those a year or two ago |
| 14:20 |
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* magnuse |
too |
| 14:20 |
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slef |
Waylon: indeed. Lots of places install koha and don't take out a support contract or allocate any of their own IT workers to do upgrades. If it works for them, that's fine. If it doesn't, it rather limits their support options. |
| 14:21 |
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Waylon |
okay.. data wise, whats the upgrade path from 3.0 to 3.8 like? |
| 14:21 |
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magnuse |
even hlt, the original koha library, was left behind for a looong time - it worked for them so why upgrade? :-) |
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magnuse |
hiya tcohen |
| 14:22 |
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tcohen |
hi magnuse |
| 14:22 |
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jcamins |
Waylon: very easy. Install new Koha version on different server. Load uold data. |
| 14:22 |
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jcamins |
Run upgrade scripts. |
| 14:22 |
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kf |
not to speak about libraries still installing 2.2 because it works on widows :( |
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* jcamins |
shudders. |
| 14:22 |
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jcamins |
kf: let's not speak about that, please. ;) |
| 14:22 |
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* magnuse |
shudders too |
| 14:22 |
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Waylon |
yes, i started with koha on windows. |
| 14:22 |
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Waylon |
it worked. |
| 14:22 |
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* wizzyrea |
giggles about working on widows. |
| 14:22 |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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* tcohen |
is setting a fat 12.04 VPS for upgrading our production kohas to 3.8.2 |
| 14:24 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: remember that Ubuntu 12.04 has anonymous MySQL logins by default. |
| 14:24 |
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Waylon |
can one do the acquisitions using koha 3, and the opac servers etc using 3.8.2? |
| 14:24 |
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mtompset |
You mean 2.9 :P |
| 14:24 |
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tcohen |
jcamins, thanks for the advise |
| 14:24 |
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eythian |
packages apparentl have issues with Ubuntu 12.04. It's on my list to check. |
| 14:24 |
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tcohen |
we have a separate MySQL server |
| 14:24 |
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Waylon |
or would i have to get the production server updated too? |
| 14:24 |
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tcohen |
and a DBA that has tuned everything for safety |
| 14:25 |
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kf |
Waylon: you are not doing acq on your prodcution server? |
| 14:25 |
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jcamins |
Waylon: well, yeah, you'd want to upgrade your production server. I meant, test it on another server first. |
| 14:25 |
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eythian |
Waylon: that sounds like a terrible idea, fyi. |
| 14:25 |
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eythian |
there's so much that could go wrong. |
| 14:25 |
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jcamins |
Wait, what? |
| 14:25 |
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wahanui |
well, Wait, is it only in items? |
| 14:25 |
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jcamins |
You want to do acquisitions on one version and OPAC with another? |
| 14:25 |
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jcamins |
That's the second-worst idea I've heard recently, sorry. |
| 14:26 |
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Waylon |
nope. biblio entries are being done on an office server, so called production server. so biblios, biblioitems, items, everything biblio related is being replicated over to the internet facing server. |
| 14:26 |
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eythian |
tcohen: well, the package issues apply to the database, so you're probably OK then |
| 14:26 |
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mtompset |
Oh, thanks for the reminder... I'll update the Koha on Ubuntu wiki with the DELETE FROM mysql.users where mysql.users=''; |
| 14:26 |
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mtompset |
or whatever the appropriate SQL is. |
| 14:26 |
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Waylon |
oh, this is actually working well, jcamins |
| 14:26 |
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Waylon |
with koha 3. |
| 14:26 |
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eythian |
Waylon: yeah, but if you have different versions things will go badly I expect. |
| 14:26 |
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Waylon |
right. |
| 14:27 |
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eythian |
doing that on one version is ok |
| 14:27 |
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tcohen |
i'm really excited to go live with 3.8.2 |
| 14:27 |
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Waylon |
suddenly, a bit bigger of a task. |
| 14:27 |
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tcohen |
our librarians are really happy after testing it |
| 14:27 |
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jcamins |
Waylon: having the same version on two servers is fine. Having different versions on two servers is not. |
| 14:27 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: you either don't charge fines, or are prepared to work around the fine bugs? |
| 14:27 |
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Waylon |
cause i have no idea how the marc and new biblio tables are different to the original 3.0 |
| 14:28 |
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jcamins |
Different. |
| 14:28 |
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Waylon |
err.. that is new biblio entry <tables> |
| 14:28 |
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tcohen |
jcamins: we use suspension in days |
| 14:28 |
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tcohen |
and i'm prepared to tackle those bugs |
| 14:28 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: I think that's still working on 3.8, so you should be fine. :) |
| 14:28 |
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tcohen |
i even worked on the patches for those (signing, writing) |
| 14:29 |
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Waylon |
is there any chance you could write me an email i could forward to my boss, jcamins ? |
| 14:29 |
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eythian |
then you'll know the exact scope of the issue :) |
| 14:30 |
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eythian |
we are bringing some libraries up to 3.8.2, but those that don't do fines. |
| 14:31 |
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jcamins |
Waylon: I can summarize it very quickly: "There is no way you are going to be able to solve any of the problems you have run into while running a hacked version of a Koha version that is many years old and no one else remembers how to use. Koha has continued to improve over the last five years, but what you have has not." |
| 14:33 |
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tcohen |
8GB RAM? 5 cores? |
| 14:34 |
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mtompset |
I just want a Asus Sabertooth Z77 with an i5-3550 and at least 4GB of Ram. :) |
| 14:34 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: they already have 4GB RAM and 4 cores. |
| 14:35 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: RAM is a way bigger issue than processor for Koha. |
| 14:35 |
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eythian |
mtompset: aiming low, my laptop is an i7 :) |
| 14:36 |
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tcohen |
we already have 32 koha's on a server using 8GB of RAM |
| 14:36 |
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tcohen |
the flow smoothly |
| 14:36 |
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tcohen |
(db on a separate server) |
| 14:37 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: that's why I think that there's nothing that Waylon can do other than upgrade. |
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drojf |
Waylon: maybe send your boss in here for half an hour ;) |
| 14:40 |
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drojf |
we could sing, all together. the "upgrade to latest koha" song |
| 14:41 |
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Waylon |
current baremetal server is a 4 core 3.5 gb (32 bit kernel i think) machine. |
| 14:41 |
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Waylon |
hasn't skipped a beat. |
| 14:41 |
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Waylon |
of course, its never been siege tested. |
| 14:41 |
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Waylon |
is 10 users, 5 sec delay even a reasonable siege |
| 14:41 |
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Waylon |
? |
| 14:42 |
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jcamins |
Waylon: you're using a prerelease of 3.0.0. We have absolutely no idea. |
| 14:43 |
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eythian |
Waylon: you are older than liblime koha |
| 14:43 |
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jcamins |
eythian: oooh. Good way of putting it. |
| 14:43 |
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Waylon |
man, thats saying something. |
| 14:43 |
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Waylon |
liblime-- |
| 14:54 |
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Waylon |
okay, sent, with the suggestion that we baremetal one server, put our current koha on it, and dev on the other server, to bring us to koha 3.8, and then VM things. |
| 14:55 |
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Waylon |
going to regret baremetaling though.. managing a bare metal server via IMPI is time consuming. |
| 14:56 |
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mtompset |
IMPI? |
| 14:57 |
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Waylon |
INPI? |
| 14:57 |
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mtompset |
I don't what acronym you were aiming for, or the meaning of it. :) |
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Waylon |
the data center protocol/card that is a KVM |
| 14:58 |
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Waylon |
basically, an esoteric concept of VNC, at a hardware level. |
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mtompset |
Ah. |
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* mtompset |
cracks open the Mountain Dew. |
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mtompset |
Tonight... I tango with git. |
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magnuse |
yay, that sounds like a quote |
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mtompset |
Yes, but you missed the carbonation escaping the bottle as I opened it. |
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mtompset |
It had a bit of a zorro kind of voice. |
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jcamins |
@quote add "<mtompset> Tonight... I tango with git." |
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huginn |
jcamins: The operation succeeded. Quote #208 added. |
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magnuse |
thanks jcamins |
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* magnuse |
never figured out how to register with huginn... |
| 15:06 |
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Waylon |
so yea, if ssh fails, if the bare metal koha refuses to boot, IMPI is the only way to gain access to the machine. |
| 15:06 |
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Waylon |
and yea.. SLOOOWWWWW |
| 15:07 |
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slef |
yeah we've at least one IMPI-using server... think I've used it once |
| 15:07 |
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mtompset |
Now I'm part of the Koha mythos. ;) |
| 15:08 |
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slef |
you don't want to do that if you can avoid it |
| 15:08 |
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eythian |
we prefer "truthos" |
| 15:08 |
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slef |
An Impi is an isiZulu word for any armed body of men. However, in English it is often used to refer to a Zulu regiment, which is called an ibutho in Zulu. The first impis were formed by Zulu king Shaka, who was then only the exiled illegitimate son of king Senzangakona, but already showing much prowess as a general in the army of Mthethwa king Dingiswayo in the Mthethwa... http://a.vu/w:Impi |
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slef |
errr, not what I meant :) |
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slef |
Intelligent Platform Management Interface (IPMI) |
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mtompset |
at least you didn't rm -rf your home directory over the weekend. :) |
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slef |
mtompset: backups++ |
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mtompset |
That's what I was in the middle of scripting. |
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mtompset |
I forever will put -i on my rm's! |
| 15:10 |
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slef |
no you won't |
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slef |
you'll get annoyed soon |
| 15:10 |
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slef |
like everyone else who's said that |
| 15:10 |
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mtompset |
Yes, but for now... -i is my friend. |
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mtompset |
And I added "Are you sure you want to delete that? (y/n) " prompts to my scripts too. |
| 15:11 |
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mtompset |
No more accidental deletions. :) |
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Waylon |
yeah. IPMI is a horror. |
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mtompset |
I just had another musical flash, slef. |
| 15:13 |
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Waylon |
slow, ugly, and you most likely need to use a complete ssh route proxy if you don't already have a ssh server on the same intranet. |
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mtompset |
http://youtu.be/tOifaUXPk4g |
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Waylon |
mtompset? |
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wahanui |
i guess mtompset is not. |
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mtompset |
(To All The Girls I've Loved Before) --- because you said "like everyone else who's said that" |
| 15:14 |
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Waylon |
mtompset, who are you? |
| 15:14 |
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mtompset |
A human being. :) |
| 15:14 |
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Waylon |
wahanui, mtompset is a human being |
| 15:14 |
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wahanui |
...but mtompset is not.... |
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mtompset |
I'm currently located in the Philippines. |
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mtompset |
forget mtompset |
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wahanui |
mtompset: I forgot mtompset |
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mtompset |
mtompset is having musical flashbacks. |
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Waylon |
mtompset is a human being in the Philippines, and is having musical flashbacks. |
| 15:15 |
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Waylon |
wahanui, mtompset is a human being in the Philippines, and is having musical flashbacks. |
| 15:15 |
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wahanui |
...but mtompset is having musical flashbacks.... |
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Waylon |
forget mtompset |
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wahanui |
Waylon: I forgot mtompset |
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Waylon |
wahanui, mtompset is a human being in the Philippines, and is having musical flashbacks. |
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wahanui |
OK, Waylon. |
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* mtompset |
laughs. |
| 15:16 |
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Waylon |
mtompset? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that mtompset is a human being in the Philippines, and is having musical flashbacks. |
| 15:16 |
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Waylon |
now your part of the koha community |
| 15:16 |
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mtompset |
Except that I don't get paid. |
| 15:16 |
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mtompset |
:) |
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mtompset |
@wunder MNL |
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huginn |
mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 26.0°C (11:00 PM PHT on June 28, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). |
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kf |
mtompset: for which library are you working? |
| 15:17 |
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mtompset |
Looks like rain shortly. |
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kf |
mtompset: sorry, only curious :) |
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mtompset |
I don't work for a library, but rather an organization that does language development activities worldwide. |
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kf |
ah :) |
| 15:19 |
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mtompset |
We happen to have many libraries of materials, and Koha was chosen to be used. |
| 15:19 |
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kf |
cool :) |
| 15:19 |
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Waylon |
awesome |
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mtompset |
http://www.sil.org/ |
| 15:19 |
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Waylon |
would be cool if you were part of the google language preservation project... |
| 15:20 |
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mtompset |
Google is following in OUR footsteps. :P |
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Waylon |
hot damn, i was on the right track. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: oh, you work for SIL? |
| 15:20 |
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jcamins |
Awesome! |
| 15:20 |
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Waylon |
in fact, ive been to this website before. |
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* slef |
froths at the mention of the Google-opoly |
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mtompset |
Yes. |
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mtompset |
Is that anything like Monopoly? ;) |
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Waylon |
i was doing aspergers driven research on the Ainu language. |
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Waylon |
i think sil came up on wiki as a citation prehaps. |
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mtompset |
quiet likely. SIL is involved in many language projects. |
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mtompset |
They also partner with other organizations as well. |
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Waylon |
okay. |
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Waylon |
time for me to pack myself into bed i think. |
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mtompset |
Bed?! That's what the Mountain Dew is for... No rest for the wicked. ;) |
| 15:23 |
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mtompset |
I suspect 2L will be gone shortly. :) |
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Waylon |
yeah.. been up since 7am, to do a DJ set. |
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Waylon |
its now 3:23am |
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mtompset |
I want to get all the pre-installation steps done for Koha before I even think of sleep. |
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Waylon |
you should be using 'screen' mtompset |
| 15:25 |
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Waylon |
then you could detach, shutdown your personal computer, sleep.. wake up, and resume. |
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mtompset |
I'm doing this on a VM on my personal computer. |
| 15:26 |
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mtompset |
I wish I was doing it in screen. |
| 15:26 |
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Waylon |
ah. |
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Waylon |
VM save state/ |
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Waylon |
? |
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mtompset |
Yes but then it doesn't complete to the perl Makefile.PL stage. |
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Waylon |
right |
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Waylon |
okay, sleep. |
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mtompset |
Have a good night, Waylon. |
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mtompset |
Nice meeting you. |
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slef |
oh fun question... if someone has installed koha with a mysql database with latin1 tables, is there a nice way to convert it to utf8 or do we have to convert column-by-column? |
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Waylon |
yup. you too |
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kf |
slef: sounds eew. how did that happen? |
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slef |
kf: "IT Services" installed the server with the koha packages before we were called in :-( |
| 15:29 |
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eythian |
> Can't locate HTML/Template/Pro.pm in @INC |
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slef |
actually I'm surprised the packages do that... eythian is usually smarter than that |
| 15:29 |
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eythian |
that takes me back... |
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Waylon |
yeah.. how many records entered into it alrady, slef? |
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jcamins |
slef: step 1) dope slap individual who did that. Step 2) use ALTER table. |
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eythian |
slef: what do they do? |
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jcamins |
eythian: why are you looking at HTP? |
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slef |
eythian: do the packages create the database as utf8? |
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jcamins |
The packages don't use Latin-1. |
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eythian |
jcamins: working with an old version, prepping for an upgrade |
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jcamins |
Yes they do. |
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slef |
oh my |
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jcamins |
Someone had to *try* to get Latin-1. |
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eythian |
slef: I should think so. |
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slef |
then I wonder how they managed that |
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mtompset |
latin-1 is default mysql. |
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kf |
yeah, I was wondering too :) |
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jcamins |
And when I say "try," I mean they must've really worked at it. |
| 15:30 |
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slef |
any road up, yes, they're data in it |
| 15:30 |
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Waylon |
anyway, gotta go. |
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kf |
because I normally end up doing things wrong first, and never managed that :) |
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mtompset |
They didn't edit the my.cnf |
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Waylon |
much as this is rather entertaining. |
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slef |
not sure how many records, but it'll be painful to recover |
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jcamins |
mtompset: yeah, but every single table specifies its character set as utf-8. |
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jcamins |
slef: ALTER TABLE can adjust the character set. |
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jcamins |
Oh, here's something to check. |
| 15:31 |
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jcamins |
What database engine is it using? |
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slef |
jcamins: I hear we need to be careful with that. |
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* Waylon |
loves on InnoDB |
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eythian |
yeah, looking at this old DB dump, it's utf-8. |
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mtompset |
yes, but that's why I purposefully did that ignore the client handshake mess in my configuration. |
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slef |
jcamins: oh do I really want to look at this? |
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mtompset |
I wanted to be sure it was UTF8 period. |
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eythian |
MyISAM for some bizzaro reason though. |
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slef |
excuse me for a mo while I dance into the server (you wouldn't believe the process...) |
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wahanui |
slef: The data on your hard drive is out of balance. |
| 15:32 |
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eythian |
where is this MyISAM stuff coming from. |
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slef |
wahanui: I know that! |
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wahanui |
slef: huh? |
| 15:32 |
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mtompset |
Isn't MyISAM the default for mySQL as well? |
| 15:32 |
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eythian |
It is |
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eythian |
koha is supposed to override that though |
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jcamins |
eythian: another?!? |
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wahanui |
another is probably http://macromedia.bsz-bw.de |
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eythian |
but anything I look at that's oldish, it's MyISAM |
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eythian |
this one is a plain default install too, nothing fancy |
| 15:33 |
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eythian |
from around the 3.2 days |
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tcohen |
the CREATE TABLE sentences include the ENGINE='InnoDB' param |
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mtompset |
How do you change the default? Is there an easy way? |
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mtompset |
Ah. |
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eythian |
I wondering if it's changed more recently than I suspected. |
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jcamins |
eythian: I think it's been InnoDB since 3.0. |
| 15:34 |
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eythian |
oh |
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jcamins |
Aw. We should've asked Waylon. |
| 15:34 |
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eythian |
this was originally an upgrade from 2.2 |
| 15:34 |
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eythian |
that'll be why |
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eythian |
heh |
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eythian |
ok, that's explainable then. |
| 15:35 |
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jcamins |
Wasn't 2.2 Postgres-based? |
| 15:35 |
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eythian |
no |
| 15:35 |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
| 15:35 |
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kf |
jcamins: any chance you get funding to make koha sort right? |
| 15:35 |
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jcamins |
That was 1.0? |
| 15:35 |
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eythian |
I guess so. |
| 15:35 |
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jcamins |
kf: which sorting? |
| 15:35 |
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kf |
jcamins: the, an, der, die, das etc. being ignored |
| 15:35 |
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kf |
nonfiling...? |
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eythian |
perl -p -i -e 's/MyISAM/InnoDB/g' library-2012-06-28.sql |
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eythian |
that fixes it :) |
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jcamins |
kf: oh, that'. |
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jcamins |
eythian: but you'll still be missing foreign keys. |
| 15:36 |
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eythian |
jcamins: yes |
| 15:36 |
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jcamins |
kf: short answer: maybe. Long answer: maybe. |
| 15:36 |
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jcamins |
:P |
| 15:36 |
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eythian |
I'm going to do some experimenting with fixing that too |
| 15:36 |
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kf |
jcamins: I didn't expect an easy answer... |
| 15:36 |
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kf |
hehe |
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kf |
:) |
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slef |
jcamins: phew. pending_offline_operations and a couple of others are MyISAM but most seem to be InnoDB. |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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slef |
jcamins: don't scare me like that! :) |
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jcamins |
slef: better to check now than find a problem later. :) |
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mtompset |
Some problems left unchecked become incurable. ;) |
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* eythian |
should have remained with myisam, it is a _lot_ faster... |
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eythian |
on the other hand, it causes upgrade issues. |
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jcamins |
lol |
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jcamins |
eythian: and data consistency issues. |
| 15:45 |
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eythian |
pssht "data" |
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mtompset |
That's what backups are for. ;) |
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eythian |
zactly! |
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slef |
jcamins: true, true. |
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mtompset |
Seriously?! I was just looking at the Budweiser commercial a couple days ago, slef. |
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mtompset |
How big is the git repository? |
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mtompset |
Good... 15 minutes or so, I'll have a freshly installed OS. |
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eythian |
1.1GB fully checked out |
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eythian |
however, it'll transfer less |
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mtompset |
1.1GB fully checked out?! |
| 15:56 |
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eythian |
oh wait |
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eythian |
I have data sitting in there |
| 15:56 |
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eythian |
that'll make it somewhat larger than it needs to be |
| 15:56 |
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mtompset |
I guess that sounds about right... the xvf'd tar gz was about that big. |
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eythian |
612MB I think |
| 15:57 |
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eythian |
well, git includes the history, and this isn't compressed because it's a working copy |
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slef |
git gc --aggressive |
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mtompset |
The full packages compressed are around 44-45. |
| 15:58 |
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mtompset |
What is gc? |
| 15:58 |
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slef |
garbage collection |
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slef |
koha master is about 320M, not checked out |
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slef |
hmmm, that's master and 3.8.x |
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slef |
and various bug branches |
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slef |
hmm, and stuff I thought I'd deleted :) |
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slef |
there was a discussion about this on koha-devel a month or two ago |
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eythian |
this data is still importing. I hate you, InnoDB |
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slef |
http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]294.html#a5619904 |
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slef |
git gc --aggressive --prune=now, apparently |
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magnuse |
eythian: bug 8289 has stuff about 2.2 and MyISAM and InnoDB |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8289 critical, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Stable , Upgrading from 2.2 does not work anymore |
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eythian |
make sense. |
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eythian |
I can't remember how we did the upgrade way back when. |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 27.0°C (6:00 PM CEST on June 28, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
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kf |
it started to rain :( |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
it's raining. |
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mtompset |
@wunder mnl |
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huginn |
mtompset: The current temperature in Loyola Heights, Quezon City, Philippines is 25.1°C (11:59 PM PHT on June 28, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:08 |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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mtompset |
At least it's a reasonable humidity there. :) |
| 16:08 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (5:50 PM CEST on June 28, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
ahhh... |
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mtompset |
11C? That's freezing! |
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eythian |
@wunder brighton, uk |
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huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 16.4°C (5:00 PM BST on June 28, 2012). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
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eythian |
so sticky here :( |
| 16:09 |
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mtompset |
And I thought here was bad! |
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kf |
it was here... actually the rain is a good thing |
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mtompset |
@wunder laguna, philippines |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: timed out |
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mtompset |
Nope, not popular enough. :) |
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mtompset |
I think we have a Typhoon coming at the Philippines. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, talljoy |
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mtompset |
Can't do much about humidity when Ocean water is swirling over the islands. |
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talljoy |
hiya! |
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mtompset |
@wunder boracay, philippines |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: timed out |
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mtompset |
Where does huginn get its weather data from? |
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mveron |
@wunder Allschwil |
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huginn |
mveron: Error: timed out |
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mveron |
@wunder Basel |
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huginn |
mveron: Error: timed out |
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mtompset |
Oh oh! It's late, and I'm feeling craaaaazy... |
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mtompset |
@wunder bar |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: timed out |
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eythian |
mtompset: wunderground |
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eythian |
@wunder wellington, nz |
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huginn |
eythian: Error: timed out |
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eythian |
I think wundeground may be broken |
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eythian |
though, the site's working. Who knows. |
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mtompset |
@wunder iaklanbo2 |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: timed out |
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mtompset |
@wunder aklan |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: timed out |
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mtompset |
@wunder AKLAN, PH |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: timed out |
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mtompset |
5 more minutes... should be to a fresh instal. |
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mtompset |
then I can prep for koha. |
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mtompset |
cleaning up 97%... why does 3% take 97% of the time? |
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mtompset |
@wunder subic bay |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: timed out |
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mtompset |
@wunder Subic Bay, PH |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: timed out |
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slef |
stop hammering huginn... he won't recover any sooner |
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mtompset |
Are you sure it is a he? But you're right, less spamming. |
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slef |
no, not sure, indeed |
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drojf |
ok, "library without borders" took a week to not answer my question about what library system they use. "It's not easy to answer your simple question, because it depends on the particular project.". nice |
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jcamins |
drojf: told ya. |
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slef |
drojf: library without answers |
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eythian |
sounds like they're not particularly organised in that manner internally then perhaps |
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slef |
might be a good and a bad thing |
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mtompset |
I have an archivist friend who was interested in that organization a while back. |
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mtompset |
You didn't ask a yes/no question. |
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drojf |
i suppose they dont have a million projects and dont use a gazillion systems, so i guess "a and b and c" would have been an easy answer. if there is actually someone who knows this, i guess there isnt |
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mtompset |
Yes, but that assumes that someone knows about all projects. |
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* jcamins |
has already expressed his feelings on this organization. |
| 16:32 |
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mtompset |
I take that as not a positive, jcamins? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: not positive at all, no. |
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drojf |
jcamins: yeah we talked about it. i already forgot i asked them, was slightly confused getting an email about "my inquiry" |
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jcamins |
lol |
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jcamins |
mtompset: with the exception of a few faith-based organizations (SIL included), I have no use for NGO "relief" agencies. |
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mtompset |
Okay. So, you are talking from experience then. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: yeah, I spent three months as a librarian in Afghanistan, and tried to offer help to LWB in an entirely separate situation. |
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kf |
jcamins: remind me to talk to you about updating the marc frameworks? |
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kf |
:) |
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jcamins |
kf: there's a bug for that. |
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* kf |
sends herself areminder email home |
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jcamins |
@search marc21 |
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huginn |
jcamins: There were no matching configuration variables. |
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kf |
yes, I saw that rangi did somethig |
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jcamins |
@query marc21 |
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huginn |
jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug |
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huginn |
jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1218 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New plugin for MARC21 replacement cost |
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huginn |
jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2514 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , special default fields for MARC21 records |
| 16:37 |
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huginn |
jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2559 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Language limit on Spanish returns Russian records or is it English ... |
| 16:37 |
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huginn |
jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2280 normal, P3, ---, henridamien, NEW , authorized value for indicators in UNIMARC Framework at field level |
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kf |
but I am not sure we want to do it that way |
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jcamins |
Thanks, huginn... |
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jcamins |
kf: better that way than not at all. :( |
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kf |
yeah, but deleting the obsoleted fields? |
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mtompset |
"Language limit on Spanish returns Russian records or is it English"?! |
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* mtompset |
laughs. |
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fredericd |
Does tagging still work on HEAD/3.8.2? For me, no |
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kf |
fredericd: I did test some time ago for eythian's patch - it did at that time, but something might have changed |
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kf |
was at the hackfest |
| 16:38 |
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kf |
what is not working for you? |
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jcamins |
kf: yeah, rangi and I discussed it. |
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eythian |
fredericd: tagging is broken in 3.8.2 |
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jcamins |
I think my conclusion was that since it's only for new installs, it's not a big deal. |
| 16:39 |
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fredericd |
eythian: thanks, indeed |
| 16:39 |
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eythian |
there's a patch for it that I think is lined up to go in |
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fredericd |
eythian: do you have bug number, I can't find it |
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kf |
jcamins: I kinda promised paul to do something about the frameowrks - because of the changes for the maximal size of fields |
| 16:40 |
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eythian |
bug 8315 |
| 16:40 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8315 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , fix 'C4::Output 3.02' errors in Koha |
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kf |
and thought we could wrap that into a bigger patch working out some of the related bugs |
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jcamins |
kf: ooh, excellent, you should fix it. :) |
| 16:40 |
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mtompset |
I wanted to page up.. instead... booted out. |
| 16:40 |
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eythian |
that patch might not be complete, details are on the bug though |
| 16:40 |
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fredericd |
thanks. that's it. I have this warning in logs |
| 16:40 |
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kf |
jcamins: so I am going to work on it - only trying to sort out what needs to be done and how we want to do it :) |
| 16:41 |
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kf |
and hopefully closing lots of the related bugs in the process. |
| 16:41 |
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mtompset |
related bugs closed is good! |
| 16:41 |
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jcamins |
Any bug closing is good! |
| 16:42 |
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mtompset |
but related bugs with one patch is better. :) |
| 16:43 |
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mtompset |
And now for the VM reboot, and the git getting gotten. |
| 16:45 |
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mtompset |
git? |
| 16:45 |
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wahanui |
git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
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mtompset |
Would you recommend doing the git under the 'koha' user name, or the developer's account? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: I work under my own account. |
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jcamins |
Well, that's what I do on my own computer. |
| 17:05 |
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jcamins |
On my servers that I use for testing, I have a koha user. |
| 17:05 |
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jcamins |
But I just push from my own computers to that one. |
| 17:05 |
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jcamins |
Those. There are two at the moment. |
| 17:07 |
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mtompset |
So the git is yours, but the koha one is really just a giant rsync? |
| 17:07 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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jcamins |
I mean, I use git push to maintain it, but I handle it like it's rsync. |
| 17:09 |
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mtompset |
Since I don't have the luxury of disk space... I'm thinking I'll just git clone under koha. |
| 17:09 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: those are two different computers for me. |
| 17:09 |
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mtompset |
since this is just my own VM anyways. |
| 17:09 |
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jcamins |
Let me step back and explain what I just explained. :) |
| 17:10 |
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jcamins |
I am a Koha support vendor. I, personally, do development in a VM that runs on my laptop. |
| 17:10 |
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jcamins |
However, my clients do not have access to that laptop. |
| 17:10 |
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jcamins |
So they have test servers. |
| 17:10 |
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mtompset |
The test servers run from the koha user. |
| 17:10 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 17:10 |
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jcamins |
On my VM, though, everything is done as my user. |
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jcamins |
And I do have Koha running on the VM. |
| 17:11 |
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mtompset |
That makes sense for your context. |
| 17:11 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 17:12 |
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mtompset |
Mine is one where I'm just trying to generate a patch or two. |
| 17:12 |
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jcamins |
For you, there's no need for those extra servers. |
| 17:12 |
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mtompset |
I was thinking running under koha... |
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jcamins |
You can do that too. It's whichever user you prefer to log in as. |
| 17:12 |
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mtompset |
So that if I upgrade install a development version I could rsync between the two. |
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jcamins |
I prefer jcamins because SSH uses that automatically. |
| 17:13 |
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jcamins |
And git push handles different SSH users. |
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mtompset |
rsync I understand... git push is another scary beast. |
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jcamins |
It's basically rsync but it understand git repositories so it transfers even less data. |
| 17:17 |
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mtompset |
okay user.name, user.email, format.headers... |
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mtompset |
cloning into kohaclone |
| 17:20 |
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mtompset |
doing an apt-get upgrade and git clone at the same time is a bear on the bandwidth. |
| 17:20 |
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jcamins |
Hehe. Yeah, it would be. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, nengard. |
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mtompset |
Did I correctly notice it is your birthday? |
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nengard |
yesterday |
| 17:23 |
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mtompset |
Belated Happy Birthday. |
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nengard |
thank you! :) |
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* cait |
waves |
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mtompset |
Greetings, cait. |
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cait |
hi mtompset |
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jcamins |
o/ |
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cait |
hi jcamins :) |
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mtompset |
git clone: 25% |
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mtompset |
installing apt-get upgrades |
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mtompset |
and I think I've made all the tweaks that don't require an install of something. |
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mtompset |
are there any major differences between a standard install and a development install? |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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mtompset |
same questions? |
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jcamins |
Development install uses the files in your kohaclone. |
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jcamins |
Well, many of them, anyway. |
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jcamins |
Standard install creates copies. |
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mtompset |
Yes, that I know. |
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jcamins |
If you're doing development, you need to do a development install. |
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jcamins |
Then what's the question? :) |
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mtompset |
If I answer "development", there aren't going to be other questions that the standard doesn't ask? |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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jcamins |
No there will not be. |
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mtompset |
There isn't going to be a secret handshake step that only the privileged few know about by answering 42 to step number X? |
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jcamins |
Nope. |
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mtompset |
But I bet you wanted to add one. :P |
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mtompset |
Wow this is painfully slow over a 1Mbps line. |
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mtompset |
I don't know how I survived with only 384Kbps. |
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jcamins |
lol |
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jcamins |
mtompset: I have cloned Koha over a connection that felt that 17Kbps was a good speed. |
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jcamins |
I hope to never do that again. |
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jcamins |
And no, that wasn't in Afghanistan. That was in New York. |
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mtompset |
If it was that slow, I'd go to sleep! |
| 17:52 |
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mtompset |
No, I believe you. |
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mtompset |
Rural parts of the US still have really poor internet connectivity. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: city. |
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mtompset |
That's scary. |
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mtompset |
Dial up? |
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mtompset |
That was like when I upgraded to XP SP2 over dial up over a decade ago. |
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mtompset |
well, about a decade ago. |
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jcamins |
Nope... cable. |
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jcamins |
I called and complained. |
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mtompset |
They probably over-subscribed their lines. |
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mtompset |
Greed is bad that way. |
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mtompset |
Yep... looks like just over 600MB will be downloaded in this git clone. |
| 17:57 |
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mtompset |
correction... just under. |
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mtompset |
What timezone are you in? |
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drojf |
mtompset: they all over-subscribe. that is part of the concept. and it would be more expensive otherwise |
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mtompset |
You're probably right, drojf. |
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jcamins |
EST... UTC-4 at the moment, I think. |
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mtompset |
1PM there? |
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jcamins |
2. |
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mtompset |
I thought Eastern was 13 hours off... it's 2AM here. |
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jcamins |
Something to do with Daylight Savings Time? |
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mtompset |
It's 13 off in the fall? okay. |
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mtompset |
Philippines doesn't do DST. |
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jcamins |
And the US does extra DST for the past, what, ten years? |
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mtompset |
extra? |
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jcamins |
Yep. |
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jcamins |
Starts earlier, ends later. |
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mtompset |
I thought there was only spring forward, fall back? |
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jcamins |
Cost a fortune in productivity. |
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mtompset |
Oh you mean the days are shifted. |
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jcamins |
There is, but now we do it at a different time than the rest of the world. |
| 18:04 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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mtompset |
Nationalistic Pride? :) |
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jcamins |
I presume so. |
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jcamins |
Hard to see any other justification. |
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mtompset |
70,000 objects to go. |
| 18:17 |
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mtompset |
Woah... that was a blast. |
| 18:17 |
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mtompset |
50,000 to go. |
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slef |
mtompset: you could have saved some time by only downloading the branch(es) you are interested in... but that is probably too long now. |
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slef |
too late, even |
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jcamins |
slef: is that possible? |
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* jcamins |
did not know that. |
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slef |
jcamins: oooh, now you're making me think. It might not be possible with git clone directly. |
| 18:20 |
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mtompset |
10,000 to go... YAY! Almost done. |
| 18:21 |
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mtompset |
Resolving Deltas... oh my. |
| 18:22 |
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slef |
jcamins: mmm, yes, looks like one has to git init, then remote add, then fetch :-/ |
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slef |
jcamins: did anyone run git gc on the main repo? |
| 18:23 |
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slef |
the one that should reduce it to below 200M, that I linked earlier |
| 18:23 |
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jcamins |
slef: I thought gmcharlt did. |
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* mtompset |
smirks, "apt-get upgrade is still installing!" |
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slef |
"The 2007 US change was part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005; previously, from 1987 through 2006, the start and end dates were the first Sunday in April and the last Sunday in October, and Congress retains the right to go back to the previous dates now that an energy-consumption study has been done" -- http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DST |
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slef |
"This section of the act is controversial; some have questioned whether daylight saving results in net energy savings." -- http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki[…]olicy_Act_of_2005 |
| 18:26 |
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slef |
Is there a neat way to put a listbox into a warning box on the checkout screen? |
| 18:26 |
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slef |
to let the librarian choose between ways of resolving a problem |
| 18:26 |
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mtompset |
How can switching on different days result in energy savings?! |
| 18:26 |
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slef |
but I guess I could present a series of buttons |
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cait |
I think we mostly do buttons for actions |
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cait |
so that would be consistent |
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slef |
mtompset: fewer total people-awake hours in darkness, so less use of heat+light |
| 18:28 |
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mtompset |
Yes, but 8AM-5PM is still working hours... so light out and shifted hours means nothing. |
| 18:29 |
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slef |
if 8AM is now warm+light when it was cold+dark before, less artificial heat+light needed, see? |
| 18:29 |
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mtompset |
Okay... that makes more sense. |
| 18:32 |
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mtompset |
Glad that a thumb drive write speed should be faster than a hard drive... because this resolving deltas is slow. |
| 18:32 |
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mtompset |
I was hoping is was a 2 minute thing. |
| 18:35 |
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mtompset |
This tango with git is more like pulling a rock uphill. |
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slef |
at least you're not pushing... then if you slip, you get squished |
| 18:36 |
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mtompset |
well, it is more like pushing in the pain. But it is more like pulling in that's the direction it's going. |
| 18:39 |
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mtompset |
Ah, the source of the pain is low memory in the virtual machine. |
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mtompset |
Note to self: 768MB is not enough. |
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drojf |
what os? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: that should be plenty. |
| 18:51 |
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mtompset |
ubuntu 12.04 in a VM. |
| 18:51 |
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mtompset |
Not for an apt-get upgrade AND a git clone at the same time. |
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drojf |
the vm has 768mb or all together? |
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drojf |
heh maybe nor |
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drojf |
not |
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jcamins |
Oh, well, yeah, that might be a bit much. |
| 18:52 |
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jcamins |
But either one will work happily with 768MB/RAM. |
| 18:53 |
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mtompset |
They are both grunting along. |
| 18:53 |
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mtompset |
Have about 60MB free. |
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| 18:54 |
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mtompset |
Finally, apt-get upgrade finished. |
| 18:54 |
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mtompset |
hopefully successfully... no errors were given. |
| 18:54 |
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mtompset |
And there goes the git clone. |
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mtompset |
Okay, while I'm wait... what if a single patch fixes two bugs? |
| 19:02 |
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mtompset |
waiting... |
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slef |
mtompset: we cheer? |
| 19:03 |
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mtompset |
yes, that's fine and dandy... but which bug report do I put the suggested patch on? |
| 19:03 |
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mtompset |
both? |
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wahanui |
both are port 80. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: you put the patch on one of them, and update the other. |
| 19:03 |
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mtompset |
forget both |
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wahanui |
mtompset: I forgot both |
| 19:03 |
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jcamins |
For an example, bug 2060 and bug 7475 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client |
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slef |
either, and probably mark the other as Depends or SeeAlso (do we have that?) |
| 19:03 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7475 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Option to overlay authorities |
| 19:03 |
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jcamins |
Okay, that's a little different because I used a batch. |
| 19:04 |
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jcamins |
We have see also, but better to use depends. |
| 19:04 |
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mtompset |
bug 7352 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7352 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , moremember.pl generates error in Template.pm related to missing $key value |
| 19:04 |
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mtompset |
bug 7630 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7630 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Warning on moremember.pl about param without key |
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jcamins |
Also, my example isn't so good because actually there are two different functions that depend on each other. |
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mtompset |
Actually, this was where I was going to grep for \$[:alpha:]*\s*=>\s* |
| 19:06 |
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mtompset |
because we have $template->param( .... |
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mtompset |
with some variable as a key with a value. |
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mtompset |
And this triggers the same message that is being generated in Template.pm |
| 19:07 |
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mtompset |
particularly when the variable is undef or blank. |
| 19:07 |
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mtompset |
I think the git clone is done... time for reboot. |
| 19:09 |
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mtompset |
a few more updates... and then I'm ready for a koha dev install. |
| 19:10 |
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cait |
:) |
| 19:18 |
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mtompset |
Has anyone determined if version 7 of the JDK is okay (as compared to version 6)? |
| 19:21 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: JDK? |
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mtompset |
JRE JDK... whatever. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: Koha doesn't use Java at all. |
| 19:23 |
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jcamins |
So, yeah, you can use whichever version you like. |
| 19:23 |
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mtompset |
Really? |
| 19:23 |
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mtompset |
So I can axe that from the list of things to install, okay. |
| 19:24 |
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jcamins |
Yeah. |
| 19:24 |
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jcamins |
Why did you have it on your list in the first place? |
| 19:24 |
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mtompset |
Because... that is what was originally on the Koha on Ubuntu page. |
| 19:24 |
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drojf1 |
what page? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... page is too big? |
| 19:25 |
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mtompset |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu |
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mtompset |
It was there before I edit'd it. |
| 19:25 |
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drojf1 |
"DO NOT ATTEMPT TO INSTALL KOHA 3.8.X ON UBUNTU 8.04 -- IT FAILS!" <- lol |
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mtompset |
I put that it... |
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mtompset |
I tried, just for fun. |
| 19:26 |
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mtompset |
And it was only one tiny dependency that messed it up too. |
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drojf1 |
why would you want to use an ancient version of ubuntu? |
| 19:27 |
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mtompset |
Because 8.04 LTS is supported until next year. |
| 19:27 |
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mtompset |
Not because I want to, but because it is supported still. |
| 19:28 |
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cait |
mtompset: the installation instructions in Koha INSTALL.* are usually better than the instructions on the wiki |
| 19:28 |
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drojf1 |
yes that is great for people that started using it in 2008. those people might have switched to a newer lts version by now. but why would you install that NOW? :D |
| 19:28 |
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mtompset |
I've made every effort to make it the other way around for Ubuntu. :) |
| 19:29 |
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cait |
someone watching soccer? |
| 19:30 |
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mtompset |
What does soccer have to do with installation? |
| 19:30 |
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drojf1 |
cait: i do, even though i am not really interested. ard stream is unusable, zatoo seems to work |
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cait |
using zattoo too |
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cait |
well... if we loose... less noise |
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cait |
mtompset: nothing :) |
| 19:31 |
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drojf1 |
exactly my ppoint :D |
| 19:31 |
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cait |
heh |
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mtompset |
Why would I watch football anyways? Canada never gets anywhere near the finals. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, matts |
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matts |
hi ! |
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matts |
Unusal time to connect, for me... |
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matts |
waiting for the marseille crew to arrive to my place... |
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drojf1 |
hi matts. what are you going to do? |
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matts |
http://journeesperl.fr/fpw2012/ (warning, it's in french) |
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matts |
It's the "Perl Days" in Strasbourg, France, starting tomorrow |
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matts |
So I'm hosting a few of my fellow coworkers in my town |
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drojf1 |
ah yes i heard biblibre is going with a few people |
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matts |
and in my house, of course :) |
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drojf1 |
:) |
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matts |
But they had a late flight, so they'll arrive a quarter before midnight |
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matts |
These two days of conferences will be coool |
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matts |
topics are nice |
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|
* mtompset |
tries to stay awake for downloading and installation of prerequisites for Koha. |
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|
* drojf1 |
needs to learn a lot more about perl before he could go there |
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matts |
eiro (former biblibre coworker) will make a few conferences |
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mtompset |
That's what Google is for. |
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mtompset |
:) |
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matts |
There's more than one way to google it ? :) |
| 20:00 |
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mtompset |
There are only three commands in the universe. :) |
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mtompset |
load |
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mtompset |
compare |
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mtompset |
jump |
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matts |
old skool :) |
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mtompset |
Everything else is just too fancy. ;) |
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mtompset |
And before that... there was only one: lcj. It did all three at once! |
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cait |
matts: who is visiting? :) |
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matts |
hi cat |
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kathryn |
morning! |
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wahanui |
morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
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matts |
cait, |
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matts |
sorry |
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cait |
morning kathryn :) |
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matts |
there will be hdl, asaurat, christophe_c, Joubu, julian_m, Kivutar (former from biblibre) and me |
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kathryn |
hiya cait :) |
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cait |
matts: nice :) |
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matts |
wahanui, the cat *always* wants breakfast ! |
| 20:13 |
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wahanui |
matts: what? |
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matts |
wahanui, what what ? :) |
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wahanui |
matts: wish i knew |
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matts |
Am I talking to a bot ? |
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matts |
sigh |
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drojf1 |
:D |
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mtompset |
who is a bot? |
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cait |
lol |
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cait |
mtompset: wahanui is |
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cait |
wahanui botsnack cookie |
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wahanui |
:) |
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cait |
drojf1 botsnack cookie |
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drojf1 |
wahanui botsnack beer |
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wahanui |
thanks drojf1 :) |
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drojf1 |
thanks cait |
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drojf1 |
:D |
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cait |
hah! i knew it |
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jcamins |
matts catsnack breakfast |
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jcamins |
:) |
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matts |
I (almost) failed the turing test ! |
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mtompset |
how could you fail it if you provide reasonable answers? |
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jcamins |
lol |
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matts |
I answered to the bot... |
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mtompset |
oh... I'm half awake. Didn't notice. :) |
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matts |
twice |
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jcamins |
mtompset: shouldn't it be about 4am there? |
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mtompset |
Yes... And I've almost got the prerequisites installed. |
| 20:18 |
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cait |
@quote random |
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huginn |
cait: Quote #77: "*chris_n wants to know if nengard figures out how to do 1 million things at once... and if she will release the source code or not" (added by jdavidb at 05:02 PM, June 21, 2010) |
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nengard |
LOL |
| 20:18 |
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cait |
@quote random |
| 20:18 |
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huginn |
cait: Quote #178: "jcamins: IIS kills kittens" (added by wizzyrea at 05:20 PM, January 10, 2012) |
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cait |
heh |
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cait |
hi nengard |
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mtompset |
This indexing problem related to memory issues is bugging me! |
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matts |
what ? 32To of RAM is not enough ? Kidding, right ? :) |
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mtompset |
We've got 512. |
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mtompset |
MB |
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matts |
MB ? |
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mtompset |
MB. |
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matts |
I'm sorry, are you from the past ? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: you're having indexing problems related to memory? |
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mtompset |
No, I'm being hosted. |
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mtompset |
Zebra reindexes, but I can't find the |
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jcamins |
searching faq? |
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wahanui |
searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
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jcamins |
^^ nothing to do with RAM. :) |
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matts |
increase shadow ? |
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matts |
gotta go... grab something to eat... |
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matts |
cheers |
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jcamins |
matts: nah, I'm thinking zebrasrv isn't running. |
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jcamins |
:) |
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jcamins |
Enjoy your snack. |
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mtompset |
I just restarted it. |
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mtompset |
It was running. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: how did you restart it? |
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jcamins |
Results not showing up is not a symptom of RAM shortage. |
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mtompset |
service koha-zebra-daemon stop |
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mtompset |
then start. |
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jcamins |
If the problem is RAM, the symptom you should be seeing is Apache crashing hard. |
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jcamins |
If you are getting a "No results" message, the problem is not RAM but a configuration issue of some sort. |
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jcamins |
For example, running rebuild_zebra.pl directly. |
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mtompset |
I did. |
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mtompset |
-b -a -e |
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mtompset |
^e^r |
| 20:25 |
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jcamins |
But you are using the pakcages? |
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jcamins |
*packages |
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cait |
mtompset: try with -v? |
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cait |
to see if there are any errors |
| 20:25 |
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mtompset |
I did with -v... no errors. |
| 20:25 |
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cait |
and your zebra files belong to the your koha user? |
| 20:25 |
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mtompset |
yes. |
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jcamins |
You shouldn't run rebuild_zebra.pl directly if you are using the packages. |
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jcamins |
Are you using the Debian packages? |
| 20:26 |
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mtompset |
no. |
| 20:26 |
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jcamins |
Okay. Never mind, then. |
| 20:26 |
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mtompset |
wget latest.tar.gz |
| 20:26 |
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cait |
jcamins: I think he did a dev install? |
| 20:26 |
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mtompset |
no |
| 20:26 |
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mtompset |
standard off tgz |
| 20:26 |
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cait |
a |
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jcamins |
cait: this is his other server. |
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* jcamins |
thinks he's managed to follow, more or less. |
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mtompset |
I haven't finished the dev one yet. |
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jcamins |
git checkout bug_8207 |
| 20:27 |
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jcamins |
Sorry. |
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* jcamins |
just rearchitected his entire infrastructure, and now needs a break. |
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jcamins |
(network infrastructure) |
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jcamins |
(I did not just knock down the apartment building and rebuild it) |
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cait |
ah sorry |
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mtompset |
what env variables need to be set? $KOHA_CONF and $PERL5LIB, right? |
| 20:32 |
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jcamins |
That's correct. |
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mtompset |
does $KOHAPATH need to be set? |
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jcamins |
Nope. |
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mtompset |
I'm running with a single -v. |
| 20:39 |
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jcamins |
How large is the Zebra database on disk? |
| 20:39 |
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mtompset |
where do I find it? |
| 20:39 |
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jcamins |
With standard I think it's /var/lib/koha. |
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mtompset |
I'll take a look after the reindex finishes... just another couple minutes. |
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jcamins |
/var/lib/koha/zebradb, I think. |
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mtompset |
.... |
| 20:41 |
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mtompset |
then authorities or biblio... |
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jcamins |
Both. |
| 20:41 |
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jcamins |
Just du -h /var/lib/koha/zebradb |
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mtompset |
1.8GB and it's in the middle of the reindex |
| 20:43 |
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jcamins |
Okay, the problem is with searching not indexing. |
| 20:43 |
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mtompset |
1.1GB and it is done. |
| 20:43 |
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jcamins |
So chances are your cron job is being run by the wrong user. |
| 20:43 |
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jcamins |
At least, that would be my guess. |
| 20:43 |
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mtompset |
what the ?! |
| 20:43 |
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mtompset |
It's showing up now. |
| 20:44 |
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jcamins |
That's why I was thinking it was probably the user you have the cron job under. |
| 20:44 |
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mtompset |
Well, I sudo'd so running as root works... I should sudo and attempt running as koha. |
| 20:44 |
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jcamins |
If it's working now, that means zebrasrv is running as root. |
| 20:45 |
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jcamins |
So you need to change the user in the koha-zebra-daemon init script. |
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mtompset |
No, the zebra daemon is running as koha. |
| 20:48 |
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jcamins |
But when you used sudo to run the indexer it worked? |
| 20:48 |
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mtompset |
yes... |
| 20:48 |
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mtompset |
Does your brain hurt yet? |
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jcamins |
It is a bit odd. |
| 20:48 |
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jcamins |
Try... |
| 20:49 |
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jcamins |
`sudo chown -R koha:koha /var/lib/koha/zebradb` |
| 20:49 |
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jcamins |
Then reindex as koha, and see if it still works. |
| 20:49 |
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mtompset |
BAM! |
| 20:50 |
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mtompset |
*.mf is root:root |
| 20:50 |
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jcamins |
Okay. |
| 20:50 |
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jcamins |
So you'll need to change the owner to koha, reindex *as koha* and restart the Zebra daemon. |
| 20:51 |
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mtompset |
zebra daemon is running as koha |
| 20:51 |
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mtompset |
That solves that problem, I think. |
| 20:51 |
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mtompset |
I hate permissions! |
| 20:53 |
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mtompset |
Thanks for the pointer. |
| 20:53 |
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mtompset |
I should have thought of that. |
| 20:54 |
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mtompset |
Re-running index as koha. |
| 20:54 |
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mtompset |
Confirming that won't break it. |
| 20:55 |
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mtompset |
Good thing we only have 39Kish records. |
| 21:03 |
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mtompset |
you have got to be kidding me... |
| 21:05 |
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mtompset |
okay... why did I have to restart the daemon to get it to work? |
| 21:05 |
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jcamins |
You mean after reindexing again? |
| 21:05 |
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jcamins |
Permissions get "stuck." |
| 21:06 |
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mtompset |
yes. |
| 21:07 |
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mtompset |
that's dumb. But okay. |
| 21:07 |
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mtompset |
Still waiting on prerequisites to install. |
| 21:08 |
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mtompset |
I really want to git pull and then branch somehow, make my change, and then post the patch! |
| 21:10 |
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mtompset |
So this is the CHI everyone is talking about. |
| 21:10 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: you don't actually need CHI. |
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jcamins |
Unless you're patching the caching code. |
| 21:11 |
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mtompset |
it's listed as required. |
| 21:11 |
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mtompset |
./koha_perl_deps.pl -m |
| 21:12 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: it is? |
| 21:12 |
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mtompset |
Yes. |
| 21:12 |
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jcamins |
It shouldn't be. |
| 21:12 |
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jcamins |
I swear it wasn't when I submitted the patch that marked it optional... |
| 21:12 |
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mtompset |
Can't hurt to install it anyways. |
| 21:13 |
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jcamins |
No, having CHI is a good idea, 'cause then you can see if CHI will help. |
| 21:13 |
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jcamins |
But still. |
| 21:14 |
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mtompset |
CHI |
| 21:14 |
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mtompset |
CHI cached something? |
| 21:14 |
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mtompset |
and two others were listed. |
| 21:14 |
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mtompset |
But they weren't CHI. |
| 21:15 |
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jcamins |
Actually, I'm not sure what that stands for, actually. |
| 21:15 |
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mtompset |
So 3.6.3 DB to 3.8.2 should go smoothly if I go from mysql dumps? |
| 21:15 |
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mtompset |
cache handling interface? |
| 21:15 |
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mtompset |
I think I saw that in the aptitude search I did. |
| 21:16 |
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mtompset |
You can see the logic I use to find it as a package rather than CPAN it in koha_on_ubuntu. :) |
| 21:16 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, cache handling interface sounds right. |
| 21:17 |
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jcamins |
Yes, the upgrade will be very smooth. |
| 21:18 |
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jcamins |
Provided you didn't do any foolish like making changes to the code on your production system. |
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mtompset |
So what you are saying it, that I should do a 3.6.3 install from scratch and then an upgrade install. :P |
| 21:22 |
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jcamins |
Well, you haven't done anything too foolish yet. |
| 21:22 |
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jcamins |
So you should be fine. |
| 21:23 |
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mtompset |
But I am confused... how can I turn a STANDARD install into a DEV install? |
| 21:24 |
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mtompset |
Because doesn't the upgrade install need an install log? |
| 21:24 |
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jcamins |
No, you just do the dev install, and load the data into your database. |
| 21:25 |
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jcamins |
So, say your database is called koha. |
| 21:25 |
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mtompset |
Ah... |
| 21:25 |
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mtompset |
so... dev install. |
| 21:25 |
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mtompset |
put the data in. |
| 21:25 |
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mtompset |
web installer? |
| 21:25 |
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jcamins |
You do all the installation up to the web install, load the data, then run the web installer. |
| 21:25 |
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jcamins |
Exactly. |
| 21:26 |
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mtompset |
CHI is taking a while to install. |
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mtompset |
AH... system restart required... the dselect installed a new kernel. |
| 21:28 |
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jcamins |
Heh. No wonder it took so long... you're also updating the entire rest of the system. |
| 21:28 |
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mtompset |
YES! |
| 21:28 |
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mtompset |
From scratch. |
| 21:28 |
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mtompset |
Fresh OS install. |
| 21:29 |
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mtompset |
16GB VM drive. |
| 21:29 |
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mtompset |
on the USB drive. |
| 21:29 |
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jcamins |
No, I mean, no wonder the CHI install took so long... you haven't finished the whole upgrade reboot upgrade reboot process. ;) |
| 21:30 |
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mtompset |
And I pressed CTRL-S to page up... and forgot to press CTRL-Q. |
| 21:30 |
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mtompset |
The stupid things you do when you're half-awake. |
| 21:31 |
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mtompset |
I'm hoping the new virtualbox version and kernel version work together nicely. |
| 21:31 |
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mtompset |
the previous version and 24 required a rootdelay=120 in the boot command line. |
| 21:32 |
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jcamins |
I've never had problems, not even with a netbook. |
| 21:33 |
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mtompset |
Also, why did the packages selection upgrade my kernel? |
| 21:36 |
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mtompset |
Oh... it isn't required... the CHI had mandatory no, but it was listed. |
| 21:36 |
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jcamins |
I told you it shouldn't be mandatory. |
| 21:37 |
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mtompset |
I'm half awake. Anything listed in mandatory in my mind. :) |
| 21:37 |
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mtompset |
^in^is^ |
| 21:37 |
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jcamins |
Heh. |
| 21:37 |
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mtompset |
drat! |
| 21:37 |
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mtompset |
I'll have to CPAN a module. |
| 21:38 |
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mtompset |
template-plugin-htmltotext |
| 21:38 |
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mtompset |
I was hoping for a CPAN'less install. |
| 21:39 |
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jcamins |
What OS are you on? |
| 21:39 |
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mtompset |
Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 21:39 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... Ubuntu 12.04 is frensh. |
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jcamins |
wahanui: forget Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 21:40 |
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wahanui |
jcamins: I forgot ubuntu 12.04 |
| 21:40 |
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jcamins |
It might be in the debian.k-c.org repo, and it's certainly in mine. |
| 21:40 |
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mtompset |
I'll CPAN it, thanks. |
| 21:40 |
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jcamins |
Okay. |
| 21:40 |
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drojf1 |
mtompset: sudo dh-make-perl --build --cpan template-plugin-htmltotext ? not actually cpan-less, but a deb package you can install or delete… |
| 21:41 |
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jcamins |
drojf1: ooh, one step? |
| 21:41 |
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jcamins |
Nifty! |
| 21:41 |
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drojf1 |
learned that on the plack wiki page :) |
| 21:42 |
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drojf1 |
there is even --install but it did not work for me. --build and install with dpkg did |
| 21:42 |
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mtompset |
That's interesting, but I'll do it the "hard" way. |
| 21:43 |
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drojf1 |
heh |
| 21:43 |
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jcamins |
It's 5am! Do it the easy way. |
| 21:43 |
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mtompset |
5:42am. |
| 21:43 |
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jcamins |
Also, the easier way is better because it makes maintenace easier. |
| 21:43 |
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drojf1 |
ouch |
| 21:43 |
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mtompset |
CPAN isn't that much harder. |
| 21:44 |
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mtompset |
just let me get cpan configured first. |
| 21:44 |
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mtompset |
then quit. |
| 21:44 |
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drojf1 |
:D |
| 21:44 |
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mtompset |
that do the build thingy. |
| 21:46 |
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mtompset |
Yes, I have to admit the dpkg way let's you remove it nicely later. |
| 21:46 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: and upgrade easily when it becomes available on multiverse. |
| 21:47 |
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mtompset |
will a dpkg upgrade nicely with apt-get? |
| 21:48 |
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jcamins |
Yup. |
| 21:48 |
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drojf1 |
yes |
| 21:48 |
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jcamins |
apt-get is a wrapper around dpkg. |
| 21:49 |
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mtompset |
okay... here goes... it is Template::Plugin::HtmlToText not the - thing I said. |
| 21:51 |
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mtompset |
dh-make-perl is another thing to install, I think. |
| 21:52 |
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mtompset |
YIKES! That's a lot more to install. |
| 21:52 |
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mtompset |
CPAN would have been faster. |
| 21:52 |
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jcamins |
Better to do it right than fast. |
| 21:53 |
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mtompset |
38 more files to install later... |
| 21:53 |
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mtompset |
grunt grunt... |
| 21:54 |
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mtompset |
hey, there's the www-mechanize-perl thing you were mentioning. |
| 21:54 |
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drojf1 |
there would still be the repo of jcamins ;) |
| 21:54 |
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jcamins |
Yes, there's that too. |
| 21:55 |
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mtompset |
dh-make-perl is installing it. |
| 21:55 |
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jcamins |
WWW::Mechanize? Huh. |
| 21:55 |
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mtompset |
Yep. |
| 21:56 |
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drojf1 |
"previous rebase directory /home/pi/koha/.git/rebase-apply still exists but mbox given." what is that supposed to mean? |
| 21:56 |
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mtompset |
Shh... no scary git messages. I just want to make my first patch. |
| 21:57 |
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jcamins |
Are you in the middle of a rebase? |
| 21:57 |
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drojf1 |
actually i was just making a new branch to try the solr patch. but it was complaining about something before until i stashed my changes in the other branch |
| 21:58 |
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jcamins |
Well, if you're sure you're not in the middle of a rebase, do git rebase --abort |
| 21:58 |
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drojf1 |
It looks like git-am is in progress. Cannot rebase. |
| 21:59 |
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drojf1 |
so many funny things i never heared of :) |
| 21:59 |
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* mtompset |
plugs his ears, "la la la la la" |
| 21:59 |
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drojf1 |
sounds like the time. omg, it's git-am already |
| 22:01 |
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mtompset |
Where's the like button? ;) |
| 22:02 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 22:02 |
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jcamins |
Okay, git am --abort |
| 22:02 |
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jcamins |
You were using git-bz? |
| 22:03 |
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mtompset |
I hate man-db triggers and ldconfig deferred's. |
| 22:03 |
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mtompset |
They take so long. |
| 22:05 |
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mtompset |
ARG! It didn't work. |
| 22:05 |
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drojf1 |
ok that helped. the patch does not apply though. yes i used git-bz |
| 22:05 |
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mtompset |
The cpan failed. |
| 22:06 |
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mtompset |
series of uninitialized variables. |
| 22:07 |
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mtompset |
looks like a manual compile and install. |
| 22:07 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: I already pointed you to an apt repo with the needed package. |
| 22:07 |
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drojf1 |
just saying… |
| 22:08 |
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mtompset |
okay... what file do I edit where to add this? |
| 22:08 |
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jcamins |
I need to move that onto something other than a spare server, so I can link it on the wiki. |
| 22:08 |
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jcamins |
/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:08 |
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drojf1 |
/etc/apt/sou… how did you type that so fast?? |
| 22:08 |
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drojf1 |
:D |
| 22:09 |
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jcamins |
Oh, missing one word in the copy. Add "main" after dependencies. |
| 22:10 |
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jcamins |
Necessary because putting that on an actual server is still on my to-do list. |
| 22:11 |
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jcamins |
So more than about three people using it at a time is guaranteed to bring the server down. |
| 22:12 |
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mtompset |
http://apt.cpbibliography.com/[…]ists/dependencies |
| 22:12 |
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mtompset |
right? |
| 22:12 |
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jcamins |
You don't need that /dists/ bit. |
| 22:13 |
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mtompset |
So ... |
| 22:14 |
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mtompset |
? |
| 22:14 |
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jcamins |
That exact string. |
| 22:14 |
|
jcamins |
It all goes on one line. |
| 22:14 |
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drojf1 |
without the [off] |
| 22:14 |
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jcamins |
Then apt-get update && apt-get install libwhatever-we--are-trying-to-install-perl |
| 22:14 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 22:14 |
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mtompset |
dependencies has a space after koha? |
| 22:14 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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mtompset |
type [off] is not known. |
| 22:16 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, no [off] |
| 22:16 |
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jcamins |
That was for the IRC channel. |
| 22:17 |
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mtompset |
doing an apt-get update. |
| 22:19 |
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mtompset |
What does [off] mean? |
| 22:19 |
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jcamins |
It means "don't record this line in the logs." |
| 22:22 |
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mtompset |
GPG signature issues. |
| 22:22 |
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jcamins |
Ignore it. |
| 22:22 |
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drojf1 |
ignore |
| 22:23 |
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jcamins |
Not worth the time to add the apt repo's certificate to your keyring. |
| 22:23 |
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mtompset |
It's 6:22am... time has become irrelevant. |
| 22:23 |
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drojf1 |
says the evil mastermind pretending to be jcamins and distributing crazy things via the repo |
| 22:23 |
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mtompset |
I have skipped a day :) |
| 22:24 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 22:24 |
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jcamins |
I hope you don't work on Fridays. |
| 22:24 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 22:27 |
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mtompset |
okay package installed... |
| 22:27 |
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mtompset |
now to check the sax parser. |
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francharb_afk |
good night all |
| 22:30 |
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mtompset |
good night, francharb_afk |
| 22:31 |
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jcamins |
Aw. |
| 22:31 |
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mtompset |
Sweet... I'm at the make stages! |
| 22:31 |
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jcamins |
If I'd realized he wasn't afk, I would've asked him questions. |
| 22:32 |
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mtompset |
dev here I come. |
| 22:32 |
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mtompset |
/dev/koha/kohaclone? |
| 22:33 |
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jcamins |
No! |
| 22:33 |
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jcamins |
Not /dev |
| 22:33 |
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jcamins |
/home/koha/koha-dev |
| 22:33 |
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jcamins |
/dev is for devices. |
| 22:34 |
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jcamins |
And of course your repo should be in something like /home/koha/kohaclone. |
| 22:34 |
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jcamins |
Wherever you checked it out to. |
| 22:34 |
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mtompset |
Here's a question... |
| 22:34 |
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mtompset |
ICU vs. CHR? |
| 22:34 |
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mtompset |
Let's say I'm going to have Thai or Chinese characters... ICU? |
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jcamins |
ICU. |
| 22:35 |
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skeggsc |
Hi, I'm trying to install Koha 4.10.05 on a Debian Squeeze server, and most of the tests fail during make test: http://pastebin.com/3XF67c8S |
| 22:35 |
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mtompset |
4.10.X... that's a liblime release. |
| 22:35 |
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skeggsc |
Huh? |
| 22:35 |
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skeggsc |
Did I get the source from the wrong location? |
| 22:36 |
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jcamins |
skeggsc: yes you did, sorry. :( |
| 22:36 |
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jcamins |
skeggsc: you should get Koha from the Koha website, koha-community.org. |
| 22:36 |
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skeggsc |
Thanks. That would be my problem. |
| 22:36 |
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jcamins |
Yup. :) |
| 22:36 |
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jcamins |
Good luck! |
| 22:37 |
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jcamins |
Also, you should think about just using packages. |
| 22:37 |
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jcamins |
Let me find the wiki page for you. |
| 22:37 |
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jcamins |
It's sooooo much easier. |
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jcamins |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
| 22:37 |
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drojf1 |
he is long gone |
| 22:37 |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
| 22:37 |
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jcamins |
Oh well. |
| 22:37 |
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jcamins |
He'll be back. |
| 22:37 |
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drojf1 |
no reason not to post that link once in a while |
| 22:38 |
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mtompset |
Why are the versions of liblime and koha not synchronized? |
| 22:39 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: LibLime forked the code back before 3.2, and did not share their work until Koha had moved on too far for it to be integrated. |
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drojf1 |
also having 4.x makes their version seem ahead of koha |
| 22:41 |
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drojf1 |
there is an ogg opus codec. yeah, i learned something today |
| 22:42 |
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jcamins |
drojf1: still working on the embedded video? |
| 22:42 |
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drojf1 |
yes but i might skip some of the crazy, unsupportedbynormalbrowsers-parts |
| 22:43 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 22:43 |
|
jcamins |
Makes sense. |
| 22:43 |
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mtompset |
embedded video for what? |
| 22:44 |
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drojf1 |
make koha play video or audio in the opac if catalogued in field 856 |
| 22:44 |
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jcamins |
Anything! |
| 22:44 |
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wahanui |
anything is, like, possible with enough development work :) |
| 22:44 |
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jcamins |
Exactly. |
| 22:47 |
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drojf1 |
i'm surprised there is nothing like a playlist where filepart01, filepart02 would play one after the other. there i go inventing cataloguing rules for field and subfield repetitions for stuff that doesn't exist :D |
| 22:48 |
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jcamins |
drojf1: why wouldn't that happen? |
| 22:48 |
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drojf1 |
it would, but it appears html5 does not have it |
| 22:48 |
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mtompset |
Create your own standard like GRS-1. ;) |
| 22:48 |
|
* mtompset |
laughs. |
| 22:49 |
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drojf1 |
heh |
| 22:49 |
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drojf1 |
i bet loc and ifla will be very happy about me setting rules for html5 video and audio cataloguing in their 856 subfields :D |
| 22:49 |
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jcamins |
drojf1: you can't just repeat... something? |
| 22:50 |
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jcamins |
drojf1: subfield order *is* significant so there's no reason you couldn't decide that videos were to be played in the order they appeared, if that's all you mean. |
| 22:51 |
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mtompset |
No, I think he means, you can't just play it over and over... because you want to? |
| 22:52 |
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jcamins |
Hm. schuster worked late today. |
| 22:52 |
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mtompset |
BTW... Happy Tau Day (6-28) |
| 22:53 |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
| 22:53 |
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mtompset |
Though a friend of mine noted... Happy Perfect Numbers Day. |
| 22:53 |
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drojf1 |
i would have had an idea what to do with repeating subfields vs repeating the whole 856 field. but the repeating subfield part i thought should be used for file parts, because they have the same mime type and all, not all these subfields are repeatable. but i dont know ho to realize hat in the html5 tags, because it seems to have no equivalent there. if you put several files together, they are alternatives (same file, different format, like .ogg versio |
| 22:54 |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
| 22:54 |
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drojf1 |
or i just have not found it. you can do something with javascript, i have ignored that so far |
| 22:55 |
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drojf1 |
it gets even crazier with the <track> tag for subtitles |
| 22:58 |
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jcamins |
Okay, two more patches submitted. |
| 23:06 |
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mtompset |
grunt grunt |
| 23:06 |
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mtompset |
make is slow... |
| 23:06 |
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mtompset |
koha has so many files! |
| 23:07 |
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mtompset |
So, your production servers... |
| 23:07 |
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mtompset |
are they dev installs too? |
| 23:07 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: no! |
| 23:07 |
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jcamins |
Definitely not. |
| 23:07 |
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jcamins |
I use packages for production. |
| 23:08 |
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mtompset |
So you get a nice dev system patched up the way you want, and then you tgz it, and do an upgrade install? |
| 23:09 |
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jcamins |
Basically, except instead of using the tarball I use Debian packages. |
| 23:09 |
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jcamins |
So I install with apt-get upgrade |
| 23:10 |
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mtompset |
and you point it at the package you made from your dev system. |
| 23:10 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 23:11 |
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jcamins |
I build my production packages using the same environment that I use for releasing 3.6.x. |
| 23:12 |
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jcamins |
(though right now eythian builds the packages that are uploaded to debian.koha-community.org) |
| 23:15 |
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mtompset |
And the packages basically dump into some subdirectory from which you do an upgrade install? |
| 23:15 |
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jcamins |
Nope. |
| 23:15 |
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mtompset |
The packages replace the /usr/share/koha? |
| 23:15 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 23:15 |
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jcamins |
And automatically upgrade the database. |
| 23:16 |
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jcamins |
It's very convenient. |
| 23:16 |
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jcamins |
And mosty foolproof. |
| 23:17 |
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mtompset |
whereas, because I'm using Ubuntu and shun using the debian packages, I have to take a couple extra steps. :) |
| 23:17 |
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jcamins |
Nah, the Debian packages work perfectly on Ubuntu. |
| 23:18 |
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jcamins |
Up until a few weeks ago I used Ubuntu on my production servers. |
| 23:19 |
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mtompset |
We'll be sticking with Ubuntu as it has a broader support base within SIL. |
| 23:22 |
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mtompset |
Do the packages include setting up apache? |
| 23:22 |
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jcamins |
Yup. |
| 23:22 |
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mtompset |
Do they set up your preference of MySQL or PostGre? |
| 23:24 |
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jcamins |
MySQL. |
| 23:24 |
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jcamins |
Postgres does not currently work. |
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mtompset |
BTW, thanks for the help with the indexes... |
| 23:30 |
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mtompset |
we are currently reindexing every hour. |
| 23:30 |
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mtompset |
And I haven't lost the ability to search year. :) |
| 23:30 |
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mtompset |
search yet. |
| 23:32 |
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mtompset |
I should rotate the error logs, so I can look at fresh bugs. |
| 23:32 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: why don't you just have it index only the new stuff every ten minutes? |
| 23:32 |
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mtompset |
Because -z seemed busted. |
| 23:33 |
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mtompset |
I suppose I should ask the librarian if he noticed a new entry after 5 minutes. |
| 23:33 |
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jcamins |
Wasn't your indexing not working at all? |
| 23:33 |
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mtompset |
Perhaps -z is working now that we fixed permissions and such. |
| 23:34 |
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jcamins |
I think it might work better now. ;) |
| 23:34 |
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mtompset |
only a full index and sometimes. |
| 23:36 |
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mtompset |
just have to remember to not run the index as root. |
| 23:36 |
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mtompset |
Otherwise it could break again. |
| 23:37 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 23:52 |
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mtompset |
running the make test. |
| 23:52 |
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mtompset |
just had to document the indexing problem for my supervisor and library colleague who is running his own VM. |
| 23:55 |
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jcamins |
A very good idea. |
| 23:55 |
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mtompset |
FAILED?! |
| 23:55 |
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mtompset |
Text/Accent |
| 23:55 |
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mtompset |
Test/Unaccent |
| 23:55 |
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mtompset |
i'll get it right... |
| 23:56 |
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mtompset |
Text/Unaccent |
| 23:56 |
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jcamins |
I had issues with that too... |
| 23:56 |
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jcamins |
sudo apt-get install libtest-unaccent-perl? |
| 23:56 |
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mtompset |
checking... |
| 23:58 |
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mtompset |
BTW, that means that misc/PerlDependencies.pm needs to be updated. |
| 23:59 |
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jcamins |
It sure does. |
