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francharb |
hello #koha |
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francharb |
0/ rangi cait |
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hi francharb |
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hi rangi |
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hi cait |
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Oak |
kia ora #koha |
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Oak |
hello cait :) |
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hi Oak |
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waves at oleonard |
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* oleonard |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
replacing sth with jquery? |
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oleonard |
That's a safe bet :) |
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chris_n |
g'morning cait, oleonard |
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cait |
good morning |
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wizzyrea |
wow, really quiet night |
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wizzyrea |
lots of "hi" |
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cait |
hi wizzyrea |
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magnuse |
hi wizzyrea |
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slef |
hi wizzyrea |
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wizzyrea |
hey slef :) |
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wizzyrea |
and magnuse :) |
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Oak |
hello my hearties |
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oleonard |
I think you mean "Ahoy me hearties" Oak |
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Oak |
:) ah yes |
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wizzyrea |
hehe, ahoy. |
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* sekjal |
has this sudden urge to break into song... but resists |
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wizzyrea |
! |
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wizzyrea |
what song? |
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wahanui |
song is somewhat infectious. The video is a lot of vintage baseball footage, a baseball trivia geek's dream come true. |
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sekjal |
wizzyrea: Reise, Reise by Rammstein :/ |
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wizzyrea |
hmm. |
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* wizzyrea |
suspects that is not happy singing. |
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sekjal |
for variable definitions of "happy", sure |
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francharb |
sekjal, check out this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]Rw&feature=relmfu |
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francharb |
i love kids playing with their siblings at home and covering songs on youtube video! |
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sekjal |
lulz |
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francharb |
they play a yardbirds song which is good actually ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]&feature=youtu.be |
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francharb |
i should dedicate a blog for all those videos i found on youtube... |
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slef |
@query bulk modification SQL |
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huginn |
slef: No results for "bulk modification SQL." |
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slef |
@query bulk SQL |
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huginn |
slef: No results for "bulk SQL." |
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slef |
@query batch SQL |
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huginn |
slef: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6946 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Import Batches _update_batch_record_counts has inefficient SQL |
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slef |
huginn: is that all? |
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huginn |
slef: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
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jcamins_away |
slef: what are you looking for? |
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slef |
jcamins: I thought I remembered a batch item or bibilo editor enh that allowed SQL |
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jcamins |
slef: I don't recall that. |
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slef |
Of course, I was looking for it for Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] SQL reports [error] |
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wizzyrea |
I think the guy should go ahead and do whetever he wants to to his local code. |
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wizzyrea |
nmp if he allows his catalogers to drop table biblio; |
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* wizzyrea |
goes all tough love on his tooshie. |
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oleonard |
I think that's the consensus isn't it? |
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jcamins |
Yup. |
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* oleonard |
does think it would be nice to be able to pipe results of reports to batch modifications (i.e. pass a set of barcodes) |
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wizzyrea |
yes, that would be cool. |
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sekjal |
oooh, that'd be interesting to hack on... |
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sekjal |
make it flexible enough to handle various keys (itemnumber, barcode, biblionumber, borrowernumber, patron barcode, etc) |
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wizzyrea |
maybe just start with barcode/itemnumber? |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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jcamins |
fredericd: there's a UNIMARC patch on bug 7818 with your name on it. :) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records |
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jcamins |
(for sign-off) |
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oleonard |
chris_n around? |
| 16:42 |
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chris_n |
full of lunch, but still slightly coherent |
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chris_n |
did you see the datatables editor plugin? |
| 16:43 |
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oleonard |
I'm testing Bug 7977 and wondering about the "last displayed" column |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Add a "Quote-of-the-day" feature to the OPAC homepage |
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oleonard |
..which I thought wasn't working but now I see it is. Never mind :) |
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chris_n |
the timestamps will all be zero until they are selected for display |
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chris_n |
too bad allan decided to charge licensing fees for the use of the editor plugin |
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oleonard |
chris_n: ? |
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chris_n |
http://editor.datatables.net/ |
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chris_n |
it super-slick |
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chris_n |
but is only oss license for total non-profit use |
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* chris_n |
had very similar things in mind for table based editing in koha |
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jcamins |
chris_n: oh no! After all that work we can't use the editor you did? |
| 16:48 |
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chris_n |
jcamins: not so... this is a plugin for datatables |
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chris_n |
datatables core uses a compatible license |
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chris_n |
but the editor plugin referenced above would not be compatible (in my reading) |
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chris_n |
so in the long run, we roll our own |
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jcamins |
I see. |
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chris_n |
oleonard: be aware that I'm working on a bug in the QOTD editor which causes single added quotes not to immediately display |
| 16:54 |
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oleonard |
chris_n My primary complaint is you left out all of George W. Bush's best quotes :P |
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* chris_n |
seems to recall some questions regarding the authenticity of the cherry tree incident ;-) |
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chris_n |
but file a bug for it... who knows? maybe we can add it in :) |
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chris_n |
opps |
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chris_n |
way too much lunch |
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chris_n |
"George W. Bush" |
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chris_n |
oleonard: well, just hit the add-a-quote button and have at it |
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nengard |
good morning all - i'm in a training in OR - say hi to the new Koha community members |
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oleonard |
Hi OR! |
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cait |
hi :) |
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francharb |
0/ all ;) |
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nengard |
okay back to work :) |
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goes for the smoker |
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oleonard |
Another spontaneous Firefox crash. Yay version 12. |
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cait |
:( |
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chris_n |
FF-- |
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oleonard |
FF, the worst browser in the world except for all the others. |
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cait |
oleonard: we should write our own :) |
| 18:48 |
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oleonard |
Oh yeah, just a little side project to working on Koha? :P |
| 18:49 |
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cait |
hm |
| 18:49 |
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cait |
we could make koha a browser |
| 18:49 |
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cait |
it woul be absolutely standard compliant of course |
| 18:49 |
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cait |
? :) |
| 18:50 |
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datadoctor |
Love how FF is positioning itself as the anti-browser by promoting the Collusion plugin |
| 18:50 |
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datadoctor |
Collusion displays the sources of your cookies. |
| 18:51 |
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oleonard |
If they want to be serious about it they'd give us tabs which could be sandboxed from each other |
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datadoctor |
I love Chrome too, but Firefox has the community and the cool plug-ins. |
| 18:52 |
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datadoctor |
There's always Midori, if you like the real open source... |
| 18:53 |
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datadoctor |
I like the sandbox idea - hmm, hope to see that soon. |
| 18:53 |
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oleonard |
I think they might be working on it. |
| 18:55 |
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chris_n |
chrome is better than FF imho |
| 18:55 |
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chris_n |
why can't code just work as soon as I finish typing it? |
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rangi |
only if you don't care about privacy (chrome being better) |
| 18:56 |
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oleonard |
Better performance maybe chris_n. Not better tools or better for my paranoia. |
| 18:56 |
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rangi |
exactly |
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chris_n |
TOR is the answer to all privacy concerns :-) |
| 18:56 |
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rangi |
not with chrome |
| 18:56 |
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rangi |
it still leaks data to google |
| 18:57 |
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chris_n |
well, for that matter we'd better stop using unencrypted email |
| 18:57 |
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* oleonard |
feels he should if he wants to use GMail |
| 18:57 |
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chris_n |
and credit cards |
| 18:57 |
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rangi |
i have a soft spot for mozilla, because they seem to be the only ones working on things like browserid, and they essentially freed the web |
| 18:58 |
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rangi |
chris_n: those are active choices, i can choose to encrypt my mail or not, with chrome i cant choose not to tell google what sites im visiting |
| 18:58 |
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chris_n |
I like mozilla as well, just not the fact that their browser crashes regularly |
| 18:58 |
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rangi |
i find 10 rock solid on linux, i havent had a crash yet |
| 18:59 |
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rangi |
cant speak for windows or anything of course |
| 18:59 |
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chris_n |
the thing crashes regularly on Ubuntu.. at least the last few versions |
| 18:59 |
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rangi |
weird, not on mine |
| 19:00 |
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rangi |
i dont run gnome tho, so that could be why |
| 19:00 |
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chris_n |
kde? |
| 19:00 |
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rangi |
lxde and xmonad |
| 19:01 |
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rangi |
tiling window managers ftw :) |
| 19:01 |
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rangi |
@wunder christchurch nz |
| 19:01 |
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huginn |
rangi: The current temperature in Christchurch, New Zealand is 7.0°C (6:00 AM NZST on May 02, 2012). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:01 |
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rangi |
@wunder nzwn |
| 19:01 |
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huginn |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (6:00 AM NZST on May 02, 2012). Conditions: Heavy Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:02 |
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rangi |
doesnt look like i can escape the rain today |
| 19:02 |
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rangi |
ok, now ive ranted about freedom as is my weekly want |
| 19:02 |
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rangi |
ill go finish packing and go to the airport :) |
| 19:02 |
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rangi |
cyas later |
| 19:02 |
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* oleonard |
wonders where rangi is going |
| 19:03 |
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rangi |
christchurch today, bucklame tomorrow |
| 19:03 |
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* rangi |
wanders off |
| 19:04 |
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chris_n |
lxde sounds cool |
| 19:04 |
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oleonard |
safe travels rangi |
| 19:05 |
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* oleonard |
thinks he tried lxde once but can't remember what he didn't like about it |
| 19:05 |
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oleonard |
Some interface thing I'm sure. |
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* jcamins_away |
wanders back |
| 19:25 |
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oleonard |
You missed the browser wars jcamins. The outcome was inconclusive. |
| 19:27 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: excellent, we can have a sequel once Luke Skywalker grows up! |
| 19:27 |
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chris_n |
oleonard: I'll fix the points you mention tomorrow :-) |
| 19:27 |
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oleonard |
Thanks chris_n. I hope all that was clear and didn't sound petty |
| 19:28 |
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chris_n |
no, I was hoping you would point up things of that nature |
| 19:29 |
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* chris_n |
is becoming a UI designer only with great reluctance :) |
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* jcamins |
decides to poke at 3.6.x. |
| 19:42 |
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cait |
jcamins++ |
| 19:42 |
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cait |
:) |
| 19:44 |
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jcamins |
Okay, I guess step 1 is to create a 3.6-testing branch. |
| 19:46 |
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jcamins |
Done. |
| 19:46 |
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jcamins |
Step 2: find the instructions I wrote down for using chris_n's scripts. |
| 19:47 |
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jcamins |
chris_n: so it's better to use get_commits? |
| 19:47 |
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jcamins |
Or get_bugs? |
| 19:48 |
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* cait |
cheers jcamins on |
| 19:48 |
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cait |
but don't knw about the scripts |
| 19:48 |
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jcamins |
Or do I use both? |
| 19:49 |
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chris_n |
jcamins: one is for auto-cherry-picking, the other is for release notes |
| 19:49 |
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jcamins |
Ohhh. |
| 19:49 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 19:49 |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
| 19:49 |
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chris_n |
ymmv |
| 19:49 |
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chris_n |
by a wide margin :-) |
| 19:50 |
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jcamins |
Do you use libgit-pure-perl or libgit-wrapper-perl? |
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jcamins |
Wait, I misread the error. |
| 19:52 |
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* jcamins |
returns to step 0. |
| 19:53 |
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jcamins |
(check out new repository directly from git.k-c.org) |
| 19:59 |
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jcamins |
65% |
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jcamins |
Well, get_commits is doing something. |
| 20:10 |
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jcamins |
Very busily. |
| 20:12 |
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pastebot |
"jcamins" at 24.193.130.86 pasted "chris_n: is this what the output should look like?" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/374 |
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mtj |
very interesting... -> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/[…]ing-as-we-know-it |
| 20:15 |
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mtj |
FOSS vs. lawyers ? :( |
| 20:17 |
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oleonard |
Intellectual property law is a hot mess, there's not doubt about it. |
| 20:18 |
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datadoctor |
patent wars - the end of civility in internet business - wall up with patents you buy from trolls |
| 20:18 |
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* liw |
will start using AGPL 3+ for any APIs he ever makes in the future, if APIs become copyrightable (but they won't be) |
| 20:18 |
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datadoctor |
Yes, that's a great public license. |
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jcamins |
I think I'm doing this wrong. |
| 20:20 |
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datadoctor |
Against intellectual monopoly: http://levine.sscnet.ucla.edu/[…]ctual/against.htm |
| 20:20 |
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datadoctor |
It's a fun read. |
| 20:22 |
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oleonard |
I could have sworn the Acquisitions home page showed a warning if you had no budgets defined, but git says that was removed three years ago? |
| 20:22 |
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oleonard |
cait do you remember that? |
| 20:22 |
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oleonard |
Or am I remembering it in some other place more recently? |
| 20:23 |
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cait |
not the home page |
| 20:23 |
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cait |
but when you want to order something |
| 20:23 |
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cait |
after creating or before creating a basket |
| 20:23 |
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cait |
I think the home page perhaps had one with old acquisitions? |
| 20:23 |
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cait |
the new warning was done by robin |
| 20:24 |
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cait |
does that make sense? |
| 20:25 |
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oleonard |
Yes |
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jcamins |
Okay, I'll work on this sometime when rangi is around. |
| 20:30 |
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oleonard |
See ya later everybuddy |
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francharb |
i'm going too |
| 20:32 |
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francharb |
see ya |
| 20:33 |
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datadoctor |
have a great evening / morning! |
| 20:33 |
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jcamins |
chris_n: do you have the various txt files for 3.6.x? |
| 20:33 |
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datadoctor |
:) |
| 20:34 |
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jcamins |
It looks like without them I have to revisit all the decisions you made for 3.6.1-3.6.4. |
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chris_n |
jcamins: I'll send them along in a bit |
| 20:34 |
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jcamins |
chris_n: thanks! |
| 20:35 |
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chris_n |
that paste is generally correct |
| 20:35 |
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chris_n |
bbl |
| 20:35 |
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jcamins |
chris_n: yeah, I didn't understand what the message was about. It's referring to the txt files I don't have. :) |
| 20:50 |
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chris_n |
jcamins: check your inbox |
| 20:50 |
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chris_n |
place them in the same directory as the script |
| 20:51 |
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chris_n |
rerun the script |
| 20:51 |
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chris_n |
and try to maintain your sanity ;-) |
| 20:53 |
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jcamins |
huginn: thanks! |
| 20:53 |
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huginn |
jcamins: I suck |
| 20:53 |
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jcamins |
huginn? |
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wahanui |
i think huginn is a bot too veera, not a person |
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jcamins |
chris_n: I meant to thank you. |
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chris_n |
meeting in ~5 hours? |
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jcamins |
chris_n: wait, really? |
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jcamins |
Oh. Yes. |
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jcamins |
I guess I might be there after all. |
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* jcamins |
read "20:00 UTC+0" before |
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chris_n |
jcamins: release notes templates for 3.6.x are in the repo @ http://git.koha-community.org/[…]efs/tags/v3.06.04 |
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* chris_n |
heads off to trim hooves |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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chris_n |
maybe the goats will behave better than the jquery did :-P |
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gbengaadara |
Hello all |
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kathryn |
hello all from me too |
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jcamins |
Hello! |
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cait |
hi kathryn :) |
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kathryn |
heya jcamins and cait :) |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0°C (11:00 PM CEST on May 01, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
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jcamins |
Bug 5339 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5339 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Parcel closing in acq |
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kathryn |
@wunder wellington nz |
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huginn |
kathryn: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (9:00 AM NZST on May 02, 2012). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
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kathryn |
doh! |
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cait |
guess I win :) |
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kathryn |
oh no there it is - it's coooold! |
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kathryn |
yep you win cait |
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cait |
give it half a year... and it changes again :) |
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kathryn |
cait, although I travel to work on this ferry http://eastbywest.co.nz/ and there was a rainbow over it this morn |
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cait |
ok, travelling to work on a ferry with a rainbow... that means you win |
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mtj |
kathryn: wow - impressive! :) |
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kathryn |
yuss! |
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kathryn |
didn't have my camera sadly |
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mtj |
y'know what... i reckon we need a 'waiting for qa' status in koha's bugzilla |
| 21:12 |
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cait |
mtj: we have |
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cait |
signed off |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
all that is signed off is waiting for qa :) |
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mtj |
cait: not quite... |
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cait |
persuade me :) |
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jcamins |
mtj: do you have a counter-example where the problem isn't that the QA-er didn't set the status back to Needs signoff? |
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mtj |
some 'signed-off' bugs are waiting for qa |
| 21:14 |
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mtj |
some 'signed-off' bugs are waiting for a 2nd sign-off |
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cait |
I think those are very few |
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cait |
and perhaps they should not be set to signed off then |
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jcamins |
mtj: anything that's waiting for a second sign-off should be set to "needs signoff." |
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cait |
yep |
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cait |
I agree |
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mtj |
currently, there is no way to distinguish between those 2 types of bugs |
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cait |
I think they are not 2 type |
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cait |
s |
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cait |
I think either it's ready for qa = signed off, or it's waiting for a sign-off |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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mtj |
hmm, well - that would work |
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jcamins |
If something is waiting for a second signoff, it should still be "needs signoff." |
| 21:16 |
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mtj |
yes, ok - that will work :) |
| 21:16 |
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jcamins |
Bah. |
| 21:16 |
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jcamins |
*Nothing* will apply. |
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cait |
:( |
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mtj |
ok, perhaps i write this discussion as an email to koha-dev mailing-list |
| 21:18 |
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mtj |
... so everyone can discuss and hopefully agree to this :) |
| 21:19 |
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jcamins |
mtj: I don't think that's the way to do it. |
| 21:19 |
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jcamins |
I think the thing to do is send an e-mail to the devel list reminding everyone that if something requires an additional sign off, it should remain at "needs signoff" so that people will be more likely to actually do it. |
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mtj |
jcamins: this topic has already been discussed and agreed? |
| 21:23 |
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jcamins |
mtj: I don't see any need for discussion. |
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jcamins |
mtj: if it's not on needs signoff, those of us who sign off on things won't. |
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cait |
I think the status is clear |
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cait |
it's only not clear when something does need another sign off |
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cait |
someotimes we add follow ups |
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jcamins |
If you're not going to QA it because it *needs signoff* it should be marked as such. |
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cait |
so- do we want the first part to be pushed, while the second needs a signoff? |
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cait |
should go on a separate bug then... but we don't always do |
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* cait |
feels like she is not making much sense |
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mtj |
makes sense to me |
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mtj |
i now understand the process, so i am happy... :) |
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* chris_n |
thinks a separate "QA status" might be useful |
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jcamins |
chris_n: but then we need someone to go through and mark every signed off bug as being ready for QA. |
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cait |
I think perhaps more useful |
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chris_n |
signed-off could fire a db trigger marking it read for QA |
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chris_n |
ready, even |
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cait |
would be to separate the pushed from the resolved status |
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cait |
chris_n: but what would be the gain then? |
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cait |
we can't see easily what's been pushed to which version |
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chris_n |
setting the QA field to "failed" would trigger the status back to "needs sign-off" |
| 21:46 |
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chris_n |
the RM is supposed to set the version field accordingly when the patch is pushed |
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cait |
so you want a separate qa field? |
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chris_n |
allowing for "accurate" version tracking... in theory |
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jcamins |
chris_n: oh, you meant a "QA status" not "Needs QA" status. |
| 21:46 |
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jcamins |
That makes sense. |
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chris_n |
what he said ^^ |
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cait |
chris_n: I know, but once it's 3.6 but not pushed to 3.6 yet- can I mark resolved? |
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chris_n |
no |
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cait |
so we probably never mark them resolved |
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chris_n |
not according to the currently accepted workflow |
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cait |
yeah and that is a problem I think |
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cait |
and I did it wrong then |
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cait |
becuse i don't think anyone is testing on 3.6 |
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cait |
or soon 3.8 |
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* chris_n |
agrees with you |
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cait |
so we will only have a gazillion unresolved bugs in the system :( |
| 21:48 |
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chris_n |
on the "no one is testing" part at least |
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cait |
we don't have enough peopl etesting master |
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cait |
it's like that |
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chris_n |
but in reality, if it has passed QA and been pushed and marked for backporting, it should only need minimal testing |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
some things are difficult to test |
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chris_n |
but jcamins idea of having a "beta" stable branch could help with that |
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chris_n |
if he is able to push 30 days ahead |
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* chris_n |
thinks cait did some very good pre-maintenance release testing :-) |
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cait |
hm? |
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jcamins |
chris_n: well, yeah, 3.6.5 won't quite live up to my ideal. |
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jcamins |
But I hope by 3.6.7 to RMaint'ing more or less figured out. |
| 21:51 |
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cait |
you will :) |
| 21:51 |
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cait |
figure it out I mean |
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mtj |
so it looks like we need to improve the bug workflow, to handle backporting 'pushed-to-master' bugs to stable and old-stable branches |
| 21:58 |
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jcamins |
mtj: yeah. My long-term plan involves a cron job that cherry picks bugfixes to 3.6-testing. |
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cait |
I am not sure it will work without some manual work |
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jcamins |
cait: oh, it will certainly require manual work. |
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jcamins |
But if I have a list of commits that require manual intervention every morning, it'll be a lot easier. |
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cait |
I am still pondering the resolved problem |
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cait |
because I really want to get our bug numbers down... not sure how to achieve that |
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cait |
I can't test on 3 versions! |
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cait |
perhaps... works in master... pushed way down would be enough to mark resolved? |
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jcamins |
cait: that's my feeling. |
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mtj |
hmm... we could even add a new 'backporting' status to help track backporting? |
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jcamins |
mtj: I'm not sure how much help that would be. |
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mtj |
well, more help than not having it - for sure |
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jcamins |
mtj: I guess I'm not really seeing how having a separate status for backporting would *reduce* the amount of time we need to spend managing bugzilla. |
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jcamins |
We already have problems because we can't tell if the Version has been set properly. |
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jcamins |
(and often it hasn't been) |
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cait |
too many statuses make work harder for wranglers I think |
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cait |
the lists are less useful |
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cait |
what I would like to see removed is the workflow settings |
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cait |
to change something back to new - I have to move through 4 steps |
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cait |
and every step creates a mail |
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jcamins |
Yes, that does make sense. |
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cait |
it's not helpful |
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cait |
it's a good idea |
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cait |
but it does not work well |
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mtj |
cait: just curious , when/why do you change a bug back to new? |
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cait |
ok, it was when someone mistakenly set the wrong status |
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cait |
bug confusion :) |
| 22:12 |
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cait |
but there are some quirks |
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cait |
where you can't go back |
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cait |
directly |
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cait |
and I thin it's more confusing than helpful |
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mtj |
aah, actually i have just clicked to something good.... |
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bag |
@wunder 93109 |
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huginn |
bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 16.9°C (3:14 PM PDT on May 01, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). |
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mtj |
there *is* a way currently to track backporting in bugzilla, i think |
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mtj |
so.. the 3.8 RM would search on bugs that are status='RESOLVED' , version='MASTER', etc.... |
| 22:17 |
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jcamins |
mtj: yeah, that's what we do now. |
| 22:17 |
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jcamins |
The problem is there are already too many opportunities for human error. |
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eythian |
we clearly need to remove humans from the process. |
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mtj |
then backport that bug to 3.8, and set the bug-version to 'koha-3.8', with a note saying 'backported to 3.8'... |
| 22:18 |
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jcamins |
mtj: right, that's what we're doing now. |
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jcamins |
eythian: agreed. |
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eythian |
wahanui: humans |
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wahanui |
eythian: i'm not following you... |
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cait |
morning eythian |
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mtj |
jcamins: ok, so that works perfectly :) now i understand the process.... |
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eythian |
hi cait |
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jcamins |
mtj: well, no, unfortunately it doesn't work so well. But the principle is sound. |
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mtj |
jcamins: i am sure when more people understand the process, it will work better |
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jcamins |
mtj: from your mouth to reality. |
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mtj |
hmm, is the process described on the wiki yet? |
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* mtj |
looks, cant find anything.... |
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jcamins |
mtj: I don't know. |
| 22:26 |
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jcamins |
I think so. |
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mtj |
ok, so i learn't something back there - i'll drop the topic now... :) |
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jcamins |
mtj: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow |
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eythian |
wahanui: humans is <reply>KILL ALL HUMANS|<reply>http://youtu.be/SYmYbkdHCBE |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
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mtj |
jcamins: oooh, thanks for that |
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jcamins |
humans? |
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wahanui |
KILL ALL HUMANS |
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jcamins |
humans? |
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wahanui |
http://youtu.be/SYmYbkdHCBE |
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jcamins |
Cool. |
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jcamins |
I didn't know you could do that. |
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