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renren |
good day guys.. im trying to install the RFDUMP on my Koha Virtual appliance, is that possible to intigrate my RFID on koha? |
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renren |
using RFdump? |
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mtj |
pass, rfdump is new to me... |
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mtj |
looks very useful for debugging rfid , tho :) |
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mtj |
if you have success, please report back |
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Brooke |
o/ |
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oleonard |
Hi Brooke |
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Brooke |
how's it going? |
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is documenting interface patterns |
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Brooke |
ooooh |
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Brooke |
documentation++ |
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Brooke |
oleonard++ |
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oleonard |
What are you up to Brooke? |
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Brooke |
not much |
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mtj |
how many hours till teh meeting? |
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Brooke |
17m yes? |
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oleonard |
17 minutes? I was thinking 16 hours! |
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Brooke |
http://www.timeanddate.com/wor[…]g&iso=20120502T02 |
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Brooke |
yes? |
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oleonard |
Oh, WolframAlpha failed me, assumed 2:00 == 2PM |
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oleonard |
I guess it's dumb luck I happened to be online at this odd (for me) hour |
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mtj |
ta brooke :) |
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oleonard |
dumb_luck++ |
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oleonard |
I guess we can assume Europe is sleeping soundly. |
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Brooke |
pretty much guessing so |
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oleonard |
...and rangi is traveling I think |
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Brooke |
Magnus issued an apology |
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oleonard |
Where? I don't see a wiki page for this meeting |
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Brooke |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eting,_2_May_2012 |
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oleonard |
Hi druthb |
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Brooke |
oi paul. |
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Irma |
hi everyone :-) |
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paulnz |
hi #koha |
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Brooke |
hey earma :D |
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druthb |
o/ |
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Irma |
;-) |
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Irma |
;-) druthb |
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druthb |
Hi, Irma! *hugs* |
| 02:00 |
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Brooke |
#startmeeting |
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wahanui |
if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed May 2 02:00:07 2012 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
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Brooke |
#topic Introductions |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions |
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oleonard |
#info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
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druthb |
#info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions. |
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Brooke |
Haere Mai and welcome |
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Brooke |
please introduce yourself with #info if you want to be counted |
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Irma |
#info Irma Birchall CALYX Australia |
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jwagner |
#info Jane Wagner LibLime/PTFS |
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* druthb |
watches wahanui carefully. |
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Brooke |
okie dokie, I'm thinking this is prolly gonna be a content light meeting, but we'll see |
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mtj |
#info Mason James, kOHAaLOHA, NZ |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements |
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Brooke |
does anyone have any announcements? |
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Brooke |
#topic Update on Roadmap to 3.4 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on Roadmap to 3.4 |
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Brooke |
not sure we really need a bullet point for this anymore.. |
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Irma |
possibly a few ... but I think it will be nice to keep them for the next Koha newsletter ... |
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Brooke |
okie dokie |
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Brooke |
I think Daniel's doing a nice job with that |
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oleonard |
Anyone recall if an end-of-life deadline has been announced for 3.4? |
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Brooke |
it seemed to be moving that way |
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Brooke |
and then summat happened |
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Irma |
yes DAniel is doing a fine job ++ |
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Brooke |
#help End of Life for 3.4 or no? |
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BobB |
#info BobB |
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Brooke |
hopefully someone will mark that up by the next meeting |
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BobB |
Sorry I'm late |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on Roadmap to 3.6 |
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Brooke |
Jared is asleep, but left this on the wiki |
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mtj |
i think 3.4 automatically becomes EOL after the release of 3.8 |
| 02:09 |
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Brooke |
Jared is still learning his way around the release maintainer tools, but hopes to release 3.6.5 by May 23; he will announce a string freeze as soon as he has something with strings that require freezing |
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eythian |
#info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT |
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Brooke |
I'm betting that if you #info or #help, you might be able to draw his attention, else AT later |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on Roadmap to 3.8 |
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Brooke |
Rangi? |
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wahanui |
I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! |
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oleonard |
Last I heard rangi was traveling today |
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Brooke |
oh duh |
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Brooke |
ta |
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Brooke |
Robin do you happen to know anything? |
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eythian |
yeah, rangi won't be around today |
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eythian |
I'm not sure of any details of his 3.8 plans |
| 02:13 |
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Brooke |
rog |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.10 |
| 02:13 |
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Brooke |
(bet Paul's asleep) |
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oleonard |
4AM? I hope so. |
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Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2012 |
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druthb |
no slef, either. |
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Brooke |
the big one for this one is that we need a lot more dough from sponsorship |
| 02:15 |
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Brooke |
#help find sponsors |
| 02:15 |
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Brooke |
there's a reminder on the wiki that there are meetings on Wednesdays at 18.00 |
| 02:16 |
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Brooke |
the good news is |
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oleonard |
Brooke, is there a run-down of expenses which still need to be covered? I'm just curious. |
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Brooke |
we had a boatload of papers submitted |
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Brooke |
he's got a weird skelebudget posted owen |
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Brooke |
lemme dig up the link |
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* druthb |
codes up a bigger boat. |
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Irma |
#info sponsors can be individuals or companies or libraries ... |
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Brooke |
it's on the vol page |
| 02:18 |
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Brooke |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aCon12_Volunteers |
| 02:18 |
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Irma |
#info Could/should a "donate" button be added on the KohaCon12 page? |
| 02:19 |
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Irma |
#info http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/ |
| 02:19 |
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Brooke |
already is |
| 02:19 |
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Brooke |
http://koha-community.org/koha[…]soring-kohacon12/ |
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Brooke |
:) |
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Irma |
I can't see a donate button on the KohaCon12 page |
| 02:21 |
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eythian |
It's at the bottom |
| 02:21 |
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Irma |
ahh thanks Brooke I am using Chrome |
| 02:21 |
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Brooke |
that's why they pay me the big bucks ;) |
| 02:22 |
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Irma |
and some ... |
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Topic for #koha is now KohaCon13 |
| 02:22 |
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* druthb |
offers to double Brooke's wage for chairing the meetings. |
| 02:22 |
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Brooke |
so, I think it's a good idea to fish or cut bait on the KohaCon2013 bids |
| 02:22 |
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Brooke |
there was a flurry of interest on the listserv |
| 02:22 |
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Brooke |
but only a fraction of the folks that said they were interested posted to the wiki |
| 02:23 |
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Brooke |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon2013 |
| 02:23 |
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Brooke |
if you want to bid please edit it ^ |
| 02:24 |
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Brooke |
the way it's gone recently is that that page gets an edit |
| 02:24 |
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Brooke |
at some point, we say alright already |
| 02:24 |
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Brooke |
Nicole's been kind enough to gen a proper ballot |
| 02:24 |
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Brooke |
that then goes out |
| 02:24 |
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Brooke |
folks vote |
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Brooke |
and hooray |
| 02:24 |
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Brooke |
anyone have problems with that procedure? |
| 02:25 |
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Irma |
#info We need a http://koha-community.org/kohacon13/ page soon to ... |
| 02:26 |
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Brooke |
okie dokie |
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Irma |
procedure is good Brooke |
| 02:26 |
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Brooke |
I'll prolly send (another) reminder to the list to edit the wiki |
| 02:26 |
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Brooke |
does closing that portion in a fortnight sound reasonable, or is that too quick? |
| 02:27 |
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Irma |
too quick |
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| 02:27 |
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Brooke |
[just recalling that folks wanted a location by KohaCon, sooo] |
| 02:27 |
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Brooke |
what's your timeframe then, Irma? |
| 02:27 |
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Irma |
#info is it not important to remember that there should not be 2 Koha conferences in the same financial year. So KohaCon13 would need to be after July 2013 |
| 02:29 |
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Irma |
close 2 months after KohaCon12 ... that's my current suggestion |
| 02:29 |
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Brooke |
wow. That's long. |
| 02:30 |
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eythian |
well, '11 and '12 were closer together |
| 02:30 |
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BobB |
I guess the issue is whether we want to announce the KohaCon13 venue at KohaCon12. If so, you have to close it next meeting. |
| 02:30 |
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Irma |
actually my logic is wrong as KohaCon12 will be over in the FY 2012... |
| 02:31 |
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BobB |
There are a couple of folks who can't get budget for KohaCon twice in the same financial year. That's happened with Mumbai and Edinburgh. |
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BobB |
Just something to bear in mind. |
| 02:31 |
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Brooke |
right |
| 02:32 |
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BobB |
For the US the financial year is Jan to Dec I thinK? So prolly not an issue for folks there. |
| 02:32 |
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Brooke |
no |
| 02:32 |
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Brooke |
most Libraries are Juneish |
| 02:32 |
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jwagner |
It depends on the institution |
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BobB |
oh, ok |
| 02:32 |
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jwagner |
Jan-Dec, Oct-Oct, June-June, etc. |
| 02:32 |
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oleonard |
Yeah, fiscal years differ from place to place |
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* oleonard |
's library's fiscal year doesn't even match his state's |
| 02:33 |
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Irma |
thanks jwagner. CAn you elaborate re the type of libraries? |
| 02:33 |
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Brooke |
I think it was the six month thing that really tanked it |
| 02:33 |
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jwagner |
Not really -- it depends on the individual institution, except federal government sites which start FY October 1 |
| 02:33 |
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Irma |
Financial year in Australia and New Zealand is 1 July to 30 June |
| 02:34 |
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kathryn |
hi sorry didn't intro earlier - Kathryn from Catalyst : ) |
| 02:34 |
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Brooke |
so |
| 02:34 |
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kathryn |
in nz it can also be march - apr |
| 02:34 |
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Irma |
hi kathryn :) |
| 02:34 |
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kathryn |
june-july is for public sector mostly |
| 02:34 |
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Brooke |
I think we need a proper idea as to when to close the wiki and forward it to Nicole if she's willing to do up the ballot |
| 02:35 |
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Irma |
well here we go , I better stick to local knowledge! |
| 02:35 |
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jwagner |
I don't see any particular reason to have a final vote before KohaCon12. Let's give more time for bids to develop |
| 02:36 |
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Gbengaadara |
Intro here too. Olugbenga from Projektlink |
| 02:36 |
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oleonard |
Let's put it to the list. There aren't enough people here to make a good decision |
| 02:37 |
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druthb |
oleonard++ |
| 02:37 |
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Irma |
hi Gbengaadara thanks for your bid for KohaCon13 |
| 02:37 |
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Brooke |
the vote is going to the list regardless of what we decide |
| 02:37 |
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Brooke |
and I'm going to send a reminder anyway |
| 02:37 |
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Brooke |
but we'll toss the timeframe in there as well |
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Topic for #koha is now Old Business |
| 02:38 |
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Brooke |
there were no actions from the previous meeting that I spotted in the minutes |
| 02:38 |
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Brooke |
but speak now or forever hold your peace if there's other stuff |
| 02:39 |
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Irma |
The success (I also mean the content) of KohaCon12 >> generates hopefully more bids for KohaCon13 |
| 02:41 |
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Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous |
| 02:42 |
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Brooke |
anything out there at all? |
| 02:42 |
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BobB |
Lunch? |
| 02:42 |
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wahanui |
i think Lunch is a good idea :) |
| 02:42 |
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druthb |
:) |
| 02:42 |
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* jwagner |
would prefer bedtime to lunch.... |
| 02:43 |
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Irma |
back to work? |
| 02:43 |
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Brooke |
not just yet :P |
| 02:43 |
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Irma |
ok then ... |
| 02:43 |
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Topic for #koha is now Time of Next Meeting |
| 02:44 |
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Brooke |
looking at you 6 June |
| 02:44 |
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Brooke |
should be 18.00 regardless |
| 02:44 |
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Irma |
during KOhaCon12 ... |
| 02:45 |
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Brooke |
d'oh |
| 02:45 |
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Brooke |
screw that |
| 02:45 |
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Brooke |
13thish then? |
| 02:45 |
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* kathryn |
thought that was the idea |
| 02:45 |
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kathryn |
(but won't be at Kohacon so not relevant) |
| 02:45 |
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Irma |
it could be ok but has to be during a break time Scotland time |
| 02:45 |
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Brooke |
nah not gonna fidget with that |
| 02:45 |
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jwagner |
Might work during hackfest, but that's a regular program day -- awkward for a mtg |
| 02:46 |
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oleonard |
Won't work |
| 02:46 |
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Brooke |
13th won't work too oleonard? |
| 02:46 |
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oleonard |
I mean scheduling a meeting around Kohacon meetings wont work |
| 02:46 |
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Brooke |
conflicts with the 13th? |
| 02:47 |
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* oleonard |
doesn't know the hackfest schedule |
| 02:47 |
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Brooke |
hackfest is til 11th |
| 02:47 |
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Irma |
depending of the time of day...I could bring some hot Belgian waffles along ... |
| 02:48 |
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Irma |
so 13th ok for CALYX |
| 02:48 |
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Brooke |
folks will prolly be a little jetlaggy, but prime conference memories should still be fresh :) |
| 02:49 |
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Brooke |
so |
| 02:49 |
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Brooke |
+1 for 13th June 18.00 UTC |
| 02:49 |
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oleonard |
+1 |
| 02:49 |
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Gbengaadara |
+1 |
| 02:49 |
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Irma |
+1 |
| 02:50 |
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druthb |
+1 |
| 02:50 |
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mtj |
+1 |
| 02:51 |
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Brooke |
right that carries then |
| 02:51 |
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Brooke |
#endmeeting |
| 02:51 |
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Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.0, 3.6.4 and 3.4.8 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 2 May 2012 at 2:00 UTC+0 |
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huginn |
Meeting ended Wed May 2 02:51:16 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-02-02.00.html |
| 02:51 |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-05-02-02.00.txt |
| 02:51 |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]02-02.00.log.html |
| 02:51 |
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Brooke |
now you can go back to work :P |
| 02:52 |
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druthb |
heh |
| 02:52 |
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* Brooke |
rather likes bossin' the boss lady about |
| 02:52 |
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Gbengaadara |
Or to sleep |
| 02:52 |
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Brooke |
sleep is an addiction that can be cured! |
| 02:53 |
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Irma |
thanks Brooke. Cioa all. |
| 02:53 |
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kathryn |
thanks Brooke, that was my first Koha meeting and first Meetbot experience! |
| 02:53 |
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Brooke |
ciao bella |
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Brooke |
thank you kathryn |
| 02:53 |
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kathryn |
: ) |
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Gbengaadara |
4 am here in Nigeria |
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kathryn |
oi Gbengaadara, good night! |
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Gbengaadara |
Thank you |
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oleonard |
Good night #koha |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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kathryn |
goodnight cait : ) |
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Oak |
Ahoy me hearties! |
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Oak |
Bonjour cait :) |
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hi Oak :) |
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hello |
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cait |
hi julian_m |
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cait |
and bye all :) |
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bbl |
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bonjour |
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Bonjour alex_a1, julian_m, hdl1, reiveune |
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reiveune |
Hi Oak :) |
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hi Oak |
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Oak |
:) |
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julian_m |
hello Oak |
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bonjour Oak |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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Ahoy kf |
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hello #koha |
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kf |
hi again #koha |
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Oak |
Ahoy again kf |
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kf |
silent today :) |
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Oak |
:) |
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clrh |
hello |
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kf |
hi clrh |
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samuel |
hi everybody |
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kf |
hi samuel |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
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kf |
good mornign gmcharlt :) |
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gmcharlt |
hi kf |
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oleonard |
Hi everyone |
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oleonard |
You all missed a sparsely attended meeting last night :P |
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oleonard |
(and I can't blame many of you) |
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* gmcharlt |
was recovering from (what was to me) a six-day conference |
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kf |
hi oleonard |
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kf |
gmcharlt: how was the eg conf? :) |
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gmcharlt |
kf: very good and productive, but exhausintg |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
any chance to get to see you at the kohaconf soon? :) |
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gmcharlt |
next year, hopefully |
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kf |
ooh ok |
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samuel |
me too, i hope next year, i've just moved. |
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samuel |
question , i don't understand this error when i use zebra "zebraidx(1575) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) " |
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kf |
samuel: hm some missing 999 field in one of your records I think |
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oleonard |
Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17924190 |
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oleonard |
Hand over your Xbox kf! |
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kf |
I don't have one! |
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oleonard |
Good citizen :) |
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kf |
heh |
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kf |
oh wow |
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kf |
internet explorer and windows 7 |
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oleonard |
It sounds like a pretty big deal if MS has to follow through |
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oleonard |
...although it never seems like companies end up having to follow through in these cases... |
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kf |
yeah |
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kf |
they are forbidden to enforce it (motorola) |
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kf |
but still interesting |
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kf |
... and ie would not be a big loss |
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kf |
samuel: still around? |
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oleonard |
Well, there you have it. |
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kf |
hmpf :) |
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kf |
wb samuel |
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kf |
I was going to ask you about vietnamese :) |
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kf |
is it enough to create the po files freshly and upload them? |
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kf |
if it is I could do so tonight |
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kf |
or is there something that needs to be doneon the pootle server? |
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samuel |
excuse, i've been disconnected. |
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wahanui |
samuel: Your packets were eaten by the terminator |
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samuel |
kf: you can create po files and upload files. |
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kf |
ok |
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kf |
I will make a note and try :) |
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* chris_n |
chains himself back to bug 7977 :-P |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Add a "Quote-of-the-day" feature to the OPAC homepage |
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* oleonard |
offers to crack the whip periodically if that would help |
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chris_n |
well, tossing an occasional chocolate treat in a general southward direction will go a long way ;-) |
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kf |
items? |
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wahanui |
items are all missing. |
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kf |
holding data? |
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kf |
holdings? |
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kf |
holding fields? |
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kf |
chris_n: reading your message to the list - I think you and oleonard might be the only exceptions of the rule. I think an empty field would be more inviting then having a module maintainer who is only a name and not doing anything |
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kf |
holdings data? |
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kf |
oh wahanui. |
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wahanui |
i am probably a bot |
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chris_n |
kf: that might be so, but I sense a wider-spread issue here rooted in the failure to utilize fields in general |
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kf |
chris_n: hmm |
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chris_n |
which, if true, means that no amount of "fixing up" will solve the problem :-( |
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kf |
not sure I understand |
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kf |
chris_n: the problem is people not working on bugs |
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kf |
and inactive module maintainers |
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kf |
I think |
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kf |
I only hope that it will be more clear that noone is working on a bug, if there is no assignee |
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oleonard |
What do you mean by " the failure to utilize fields in general" chris_n ? |
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kf |
and I doubt we will find active maintainers for each module |
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chris_n |
there is no want of complaints about various fields either not being set or their current settings being incorrect |
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kf |
chris_n: sorry, I don't understand :( |
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chris_n |
many bugs are worked on by other than the default assignee; if the dev cannot take time to click the "take" link, what is there to make us thing they will take time to add their name to the assignee field? |
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chris_n |
so now you have bugs being worked on with blank assignee fields |
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kf |
I don't think that's the problem actuallcy |
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kf |
the problem is wrong expectations - someone file a bug and there is a name in default assignee |
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kf |
and that shoudl not be |
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* chris_n |
must have misunderstood the problem or is focused on a problem noone else is :-( |
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kf |
as long as the default assignees have not any meaning |
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kf |
and I think with exception of you and oleonard, that is not the case |
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kf |
they don't do anything about the bugs |
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* chris_n |
does not see the problem |
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kf |
I think it's confusing |
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kf |
to explain to people they can kick out the default assignee |
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kf |
because you have to explain it |
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chris_n |
I think it is confusing for someone to be working on a bug and the assignee field is either wrong or blank |
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kf |
it would be very clear that noone is working on it with an empty field |
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kf |
and then people should take the bug when they start working on it actively |
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kf |
that is something that's easy to explain |
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kf |
I think we might be misunderstanding each other :) |
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chris_n |
I think you will still have the problem of devs not "taking" the bug, yet working on it |
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oleonard |
I think you're talking about two different problems. |
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chris_n |
^^^ |
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kf |
I think keeping you and oleonard as default assignees is fine - because you do soemthing. I want to empty all other modules where people don't step up |
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* chris_n |
agrees |
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chris_n |
with oleonard's last comment |
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kf |
me too |
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oleonard |
it makes more sense to leave the default assignee blank for all the modules gmcharlt is the default for, for instance, because he can't possibly handle all of them by himself. |
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kf |
agreed :) |
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oleonard |
Better to have the default assignee mean something. Then the blank will mean something too |
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kf |
yep |
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chris_n |
I wonder if we have any examples of bugs not being worked on because someone thought the default assignee was working on it or otherwise? |
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kf |
exactly |
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kf |
I think for people new to koha |
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kf |
it is confusing like it is now |
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kf |
because they expect default assignees to be involved with the bug somehow |
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kf |
and we have tried to find new default assignees, but Ithink it's not working out |
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oleonard |
I think it also conveys a bad message about default assignees, like "Why haven't they worked on any of these bugs?" |
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kf |
so better have empty and people can take bugs - that will be easy to understand |
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chris_n |
I also think the greater demonstrable confusion exists because various fields are not updated in a timely fashion |
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kf |
and for you and own, you can delete yourselves if you don't want to work on one |
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kf |
chris_n: do you have an example? |
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oleonard |
That's also a problem chris_n, but the change marcel proposed won't help or harm that situtation |
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oleonard |
It's just different. |
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kf |
chris_n: and only trying to understand - thought this would be easier in chat than writing another mail :) |
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chris_n |
kf: the irc logs provide plenty of examples of questions over what the status of bugs is.. ie closed, open, etc |
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chris_n |
a perusal of bugzilla shows that there are many bugs worked on, but marked "new" |
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chris_n |
as well as many worked on by dev A, but assigned to dev B |
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* wizzyrea |
waves |
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oleonard |
chris_n: And lots of those guilty of doing that are experienced devs who should know better. All we can do is keep bugging people about it I think. |
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wizzyrea |
I think it's a human problem. |
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chris_n |
oleonard: agreed, but I am concerned that we are skirting the real issue of the need to utilize the other fields |
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chris_n |
humans? |
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wahanui |
KILL ALL HUMANS |
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oleonard |
The task will often fall to the bug-wranglers to notice those things and speak up about it |
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oleonard |
chris_n: By framing it as "the real issue" you set up a dichotomy which doesn't exist between these two issues |
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chris_n |
kf: probably clarifying what sort of confusion is being addressed by marcel would be good |
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oleonard |
Let's address both of them. |
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chris_n |
I fear that that is easier said than done |
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kf |
the confusion that a default assignee will do something about the bug |
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kf |
which is not the case in general |
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kf |
it's just a name on the bug |
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kf |
but it has lost meaning |
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kf |
as I said - I know they are exceptions |
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wizzyrea |
well i'm default assignee for website stuff |
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wizzyrea |
and I look at those |
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kf |
and I think bug wranglers could help fixing mistakes like you pointed out - bugs with patches still new etc. |
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wizzyrea |
much like owen looks at his opac bugs |
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chris_n |
kf: an alternative might be to poll the default assignees once more to see if they desire to continue as such |
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kf |
wizzyrea: yep I know - but we have modules where it's different |
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wizzyrea |
oh I know |
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chris_n |
if they don't, blank the field if there are no volunteers |
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kf |
wizzyrea: never said we should change the workflow for those who are actively maintaining something |
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kf |
:) |
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oleonard |
chris_n: That's what marcel just did :) |
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wizzyrea |
i'm only saying "I'll keep my default assignment" ;) |
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chris_n |
oleonard: but that's not what his email said.. unless I misread |
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kf |
chris_n: I think that's what marcel did with his mail - asking for consent to do something - those who want to keep things can speak up now |
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chris_n |
:-) |
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kf |
I think we don't really disagree :) |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder lawrence ks |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 23.5°C (9:11 AM CDT on May 02, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007 hPa (Rising). |
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kf |
I don't want to take your modules!! .) |
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wizzyrea |
hot already |
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Oak |
...or forever hold your peace... |
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chris_n |
kf: your right :) |
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* chris_n |
looks warily at oleonard's whip and gets back to work ;-) |
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* oleonard |
has never seen the "take" link in Bugzilla before today |
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jcamins |
o/ |
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oleonard |
Hi jcamins, you just missed the Bugzilla wars. There was no conclusive winner. |
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* kf |
offers cookies to all participants |
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jcamins |
oleonard: boy, Luke Skywalker sure grew up fast. |
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jcamins |
kf: what kind of cookies? |
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kf |
hm chocolate? |
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wahanui |
reiveune ate them all |
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kf |
I feel bad for starting bugzilla wars |
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vfernandes |
hi guys |
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* chris_n |
passes around goat milk to go with kf's cookies |
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jcamins |
Ooh. |
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chris_n |
kf: not a war... a discussion :-) |
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* jcamins |
's wife perks up her ears at the mention of goat milk. |
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* kf |
waves at jcamins' wife |
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chris_n |
jcamins: production is ramping up... soon we'll be at ~2gal/day |
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vfernandes |
one question: how to put two koha running on the same zebra server? i've one koha running using zebra... i've installed another koha in the same machine but i don't know how to have two databases in zebra |
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jcamins |
chris_n: cool! |
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chris_n |
vfernandes: I think the answer is use the packages |
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chris_n |
but I'm not very familiar with them, sorry |
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jcamins |
vfernandes: right now the preferred solution is to use two zebrasrv processes. |
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vfernandes |
humm so i need to have two dameons in the start? |
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vfernandes |
one for each installation? |
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jcamins |
That's the easiest way. |
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jcamins |
vfernandes: the best way to do that is to use packages. |
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vfernandes |
packages? |
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wahanui |
i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 14:36 |
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jcamins |
And remember that not only is 3.2 no longer maintained, 3.4 is no longer maintained. |
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jcamins |
Upgrading to 3.6 would probably be a good idea. |
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vfernandes |
at this point upgrading to 3.6 is out of question... :/ |
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jcamins |
vfernandes: that's unfortunate. You're going to have a lot of trouble getting any support from the community for 3.2. |
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vfernandes |
yes i know jcamins... but I've plenty off knowlegdes about 3.2.X. I've working with it around 1 year... |
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jcamins |
I don't even remember if there were packages for 3.2. |
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jcamins |
vfernandes: good luck to you. :) |
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vfernandes |
thanks :) |
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vfernandes |
the company that i've working of it's responsible to maintain 3 koha: http://catalogo.biblioteca.iscte-iul.pt http://koha.ulusiada.pt http://62.28.141.38:88 |
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kf |
vfernandes: there have been some nasty security bugs in 3.2.2 - hope you got the patches for those |
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hdl1 |
basically, vfernandes, zebra can handle multiple database, but koha only uses one database per zebra instance. |
| 14:45 |
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kf |
vfernandes: we have been on that verson for a longer time, I am so happy all our installations are on 3.6.x now |
| 14:45 |
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hdl1 |
you have one zebra instance for authorities, another for biblios |
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jcamins |
hdl1: no, that's not correct. Each zebrasrv right now has two databases: one for authorities, one for biblios. |
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hdl1 |
jcamins: if you look at configuration files, |
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hdl1 |
there is one |
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hdl1 |
zebra-authorities.cfg |
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hdl1 |
one zebra-biblios.cfg |
| 14:47 |
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hdl1 |
data are stored in two different palces. |
| 14:47 |
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jcamins |
hdl1: yes, but it's only one process, as I understand it. |
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hdl1 |
it is not because zebrasrv is handling multiple zebra servers |
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hdl1 |
that you donot have multiple "inner instance" |
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jcamins |
vfernandes: anyway, the long and the short of it is, you'll need to start a zebrasrv process for each Koha installation. |
| 14:50 |
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jcamins |
kf++ |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea++ |
| 14:50 |
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kf |
wizzyrea++! |
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vfernandes |
roger that :) |
| 14:52 |
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vfernandes |
let me say that Koha in portugal is on "boost"... on 20th April was the first national Koha workshop |
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vfernandes |
around 90 people attended to the workshop |
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jcamins |
Very cool! |
| 14:53 |
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wizzyrea |
kf++ |
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kf |
vfernandes: you should write something for the newsletter :) |
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vfernandes |
kf it's a good idea... maybe i'll write something. Who of you will be present at KohaCon2012? |
| 14:57 |
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kf |
I will be :) |
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vfernandes |
nice... I don't know, if the company pay i'll be for sure :) |
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wizzyrea |
hm but 2426 - still an issue? |
| 15:09 |
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wizzyrea |
and, what do we do about it? |
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jcamins |
Bug 2426 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2426 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Management Permissions Deprecated |
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reiveune |
bye |
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kf |
wizzyrea++ |
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kf |
wizzyrea++ |
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wizzyrea |
! |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea++ |
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wizzyrea |
ok guys this is getting silly. |
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jcamins |
@karma wizzyrea |
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huginn |
jcamins: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 332 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 332. |
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jcamins |
33*2*? |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea++ |
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jcamins |
@karma wizzyrea |
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huginn |
jcamins: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 333 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 333. |
| 15:32 |
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jcamins |
Better. |
| 15:33 |
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jcamins |
:) |
| 15:33 |
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oleonard |
Why the wizzyrea karma party? Did I miss something? |
| 15:34 |
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wizzyrea |
well I know a lot of stuff about holds :P |
| 15:34 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I have no idea, but I thought she probably needed karma, since kf was giving her some. :) |
| 15:34 |
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kf |
oleonard: she is answreing my silly holds questions with patience |
| 15:34 |
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kf |
it's enlightening :) |
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kf |
jcamins: thx for trusting my judgement :) |
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jcamins |
:) |
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oleonard |
Ah, just as I suspected: It's all happening in the exclusive shadow-channel to which I am not invited! |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
| 15:36 |
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wizzyrea |
naw |
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* kf |
sends oleonard |
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kf |
cookies |
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kf |
oleonard: it's only because I am asking embarassing newbie questions :) |
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* talljoy |
looks up from desk.....cookie? |
| 15:38 |
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* kf |
sends some to talljoy too |
| 15:38 |
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talljoy |
nom nom |
| 15:38 |
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oleonard |
I would punch a panda in the face for some cookies right now |
| 15:38 |
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talljoy |
heh |
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jcamins |
oleonard: chocolate ginger oatmeal chocolate chip cookies? |
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kf |
lol |
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wizzyrea |
nom. |
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* jcamins |
is very proud of his chocolate ginger oatmeal chocolate chip cookies. |
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kf |
hmmm |
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* kf |
tastes powdered ginger |
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chris_n |
more cookies? |
| 15:48 |
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* chris_n |
hates multi-dimensional arrays |
| 15:48 |
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oleonard |
Then I hope you don't have to work with Drupal chris_n |
| 15:49 |
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jcamins |
Speaking of multi-dimensional arrays, bug 7249 is Really Cool. |
| 15:49 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7249 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Report webservices |
| 15:51 |
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wizzyrea |
does bug 2435 still happen? |
| 15:51 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2435 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , corrupt MARC record can abort import batch commit |
| 15:51 |
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wizzyrea |
also, I think we need an open bug status that is like "FYI - we're not fixing this but here's your workaround" |
| 15:52 |
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wizzyrea |
or a closed bug status for same |
| 15:52 |
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wizzyrea |
and a saved public search for those. |
| 15:53 |
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wizzyrea |
nm, that doesn't happen anymore |
| 15:53 |
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* chris_n |
loves ctl-z |
| 15:54 |
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wizzyrea |
oleonard: bug 2537, still a problem? |
| 15:54 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2537 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , inconsistent behavior when entering tag via add button or hitting return |
| 15:55 |
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oleonard |
Yes |
| 15:55 |
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wizzyrea |
are we going to try to fix it? |
| 15:55 |
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wizzyrea |
or can it be fixed? |
| 15:55 |
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oleonard |
I don't know if it can be fixed. |
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oleonard |
I would prefer to leave it NEW |
| 15:56 |
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wizzyrea |
k |
| 15:58 |
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oleonard |
Oh, speaking of tags: Bug 7980 looks like it would be fun to sign off on eh? |
| 15:58 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7980 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Group search results tag input with other actions |
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cait |
back :) |
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| 16:14 |
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jcamins |
Have I commented recently on how I think we should be making use of popularity in Koha? |
| 16:14 |
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oleonard |
You mean like only the cool kids get their patches signed off? |
| 16:14 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: actually, I had in mind having the sort working. |
| 16:15 |
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cait |
those 3 comments together confuse me |
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* cait |
goes the logs searhing for context |
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jcamins |
cait: there wasn't any context for my pronouncement. |
| 16:15 |
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cait |
oh |
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* oleonard |
recalls jcamins mentioning something about it before |
| 16:17 |
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francharb |
hello all |
| 16:18 |
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oleonard |
Hi francharb |
| 16:18 |
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jcamins |
I feel like that would be really useful for public libraries. |
| 16:18 |
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cait |
jcamins: I think either make it work or remove it from the sort options |
| 16:18 |
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cait |
because as it is now... clearly not good |
| 16:18 |
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jcamins |
cait: I favor making it work. |
| 16:19 |
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cait |
yep :) |
| 16:19 |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately, it's a sufficiently complicated bug that I won't be fixing it without someone saying "hey, we'd like to pay for this!" |
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cait |
hmpf |
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cait |
hehe |
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cait |
so perhaps I shoudl just threaten to remove it |
| 16:22 |
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cait |
brb bringing bike into garage |
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jcamins |
cait: makes sense. |
| 16:24 |
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jcamins |
Hey, cool! |
| 16:25 |
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jcamins |
The Hungarian National Library's authority file is RDF. |
| 16:26 |
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jcamins |
@later tell magnuse The Hungarian National Library apparently provides a SPARQL endpoint for their authority file. I'm still not 100% sure what that means in practical terms, but I thought you would want to know. |
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huginn |
jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
back :) |
| 16:45 |
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jcamins |
Are we sure that popularity ever worked? |
| 16:46 |
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cait |
not totally |
| 16:46 |
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cait |
but someone put it there... |
| 16:46 |
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cait |
but... probably before qa times |
| 16:47 |
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jcamins |
cait: gmcharlt created the column in 2007. |
| 16:47 |
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cait |
ok, then it probably used to work :) |
| 16:47 |
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jcamins |
The index wasn't even added to UNIMARC until 2011. |
| 16:47 |
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gmcharlt |
at the time ... |
| 16:47 |
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jcamins |
I know it didn't work a year ago. |
| 16:47 |
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cait |
hi gmcharlt :) |
| 16:48 |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: ah, you can answer this mystery: was popularity ever actually implemented, or was that something that was planned but never actually done. |
| 16:48 |
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jcamins |
*? |
| 16:48 |
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jcamins |
Also, hi gmcharlt. |
| 16:48 |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: I *think* it got to the point of half-working, but no further |
| 16:48 |
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gmcharlt |
and howdy! :) |
| 16:51 |
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jcamins |
Looks like it was a feature in 2.2. |
| 16:53 |
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cait |
3.2 or 2.2? |
| 16:53 |
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wahanui |
3 |
| 16:53 |
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jcamins |
2.2. |
| 16:53 |
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cait |
oh |
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chris_n |
heya gmcharlt |
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wahanui |
hmmm... gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. |
| 16:55 |
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chris_n |
truth |
| 16:55 |
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gmcharlt |
hi chris_n |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 17:01 |
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cait |
hi magnuse :) |
| 17:01 |
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magnuse |
guten abend cait |
| 17:21 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: does the Norwegian authority file have useful linked data features? |
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* jcamins |
doesn't know. |
| 17:22 |
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magnuse |
jcamins: hardly |
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magnuse |
i dont think we have a national authority file as such |
| 17:23 |
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cait |
magnuse: perhaps check dnb |
| 17:23 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: oh, that's too bad. :( |
| 17:23 |
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magnuse |
the closest is whatever is in bibsys |
| 17:23 |
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cait |
https://wiki.d-nb.de/display/L[…]1481.prod-worker6 |
| 17:23 |
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magnuse |
but there is this project called "Rådata nå!" |
| 17:23 |
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magnuse |
lemme find the link |
| 17:23 |
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magnuse |
http://radatana.wordpress.com/ |
| 17:24 |
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magnuse |
"The project’s key result will be a linked data representation of the BIBSYS authority file. " |
| 17:24 |
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magnuse |
i think they focussed on names and people, not on e.g. subjects |
| 17:25 |
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jcamins |
Understandable. |
| 17:25 |
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wahanui |
i think Understandable. is why i was running it against a local copy |
| 17:25 |
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magnuse |
im using it in semantikoha |
| 17:25 |
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jcamins |
wahanui: forget understandable. |
| 17:25 |
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wahanui |
jcamins, I didn't have anything matching understandable |
| 17:25 |
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jcamins |
wahanui: forget understandable\. |
| 17:25 |
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wahanui |
jcamins, I didn't have anything matching understandable\ |
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jcamins |
understandable. is <reply> |
| 17:26 |
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jcamins |
understandable. |
| 17:26 |
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wahanui |
understandable. is why i was running it against a local copy |
| 17:26 |
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jcamins |
Oh well. |
| 17:26 |
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jcamins |
I tried. |
| 17:27 |
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magnuse |
jcamins++ |
| 17:27 |
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magnuse |
so jcamins, will you be bidding on "the scream"? ;-) |
| 17:27 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: I will not, no. |
| 17:27 |
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cait |
oh really? such a missed opportunity |
| 17:28 |
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magnuse |
oh, too bad ;-) |
| 17:29 |
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jcamins |
I would be happy to provide a catalog to its purchaser, however. |
| 17:31 |
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magnuse |
hehe |
| 17:31 |
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magnuse |
it will be interesting to see where it ends up |
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jcamins |
It will be interesting to see how much it goes for. |
| 17:34 |
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magnuse |
true |
| 17:34 |
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magnuse |
luckily, we still have 3 other versions left over here :-) |
| 17:34 |
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jcamins |
Heh. |
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magnuse |
and one day we might even build a proper museum for them... |
| 17:37 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: a museum that will need a good research library attached. |
| 17:37 |
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jcamins |
With a catalog. |
| 17:37 |
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magnuse |
yay |
| 17:38 |
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magnuse |
hm, they already have one: http://asp.bibits.no/munch/ |
| 17:39 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: I can't say I'm hugely impressed. |
| 17:39 |
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magnuse |
hehe |
| 17:39 |
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jcamins |
In fact... |
| 17:39 |
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jcamins |
Wow. |
| 17:39 |
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magnuse |
wait ill show you somthing that might make you cry... |
| 17:40 |
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jcamins |
Is it just me or is that staggeringly non-functional. |
| 17:40 |
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jcamins |
*? |
| 17:40 |
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cait |
omg |
| 17:40 |
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magnuse |
well, its certainly not koha |
| 17:41 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: no, it certainly is not. |
| 17:41 |
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cait |
not totally bad tho |
| 17:42 |
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magnuse |
gah, i cant find an example - bear with... |
| 17:42 |
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jcamins |
cait: not totally bad, perhaps, but if you find a relevant subject, it takes a bunch of steps to try to find results related to it. |
| 17:43 |
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cait |
hm |
| 17:43 |
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cait |
i searched munch |
| 17:43 |
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jcamins |
So did I. |
| 17:43 |
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magnuse |
here is another norwegian system, within an iframe: http://www.nasjonalmuseet.no/n[…]ts_base_tidemann/ |
| 17:43 |
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cait |
and not totally bad means - I have seen worse |
| 17:44 |
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jcamins |
Then I decided I was interested in Frida Kahlo. |
| 17:44 |
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jcamins |
So I found the relevant subject. |
| 17:44 |
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jcamins |
And then I had to start a new search to find books about her. |
| 17:44 |
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cait |
hm |
| 17:44 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: you're right. That's horrifying. |
| 17:44 |
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cait |
in my record there is nothing I could click |
| 17:45 |
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jcamins |
cait: yes, that's my complaint. |
| 17:45 |
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magnuse |
jcamins: look at the source. count the number of <form>s. weep... |
| 17:45 |
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jcamins |
There are no links anyway. |
| 17:45 |
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cait |
true |
| 17:45 |
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cait |
card catalog |
| 17:45 |
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jcamins |
Yup. |
| 17:46 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: wow. |
| 17:49 |
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cait |
hm? |
| 17:49 |
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cait |
are we talking result list? or detail page? |
| 17:49 |
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magnuse |
cait: check thwe source for this: http://bibliotekservice.ittekn[…]/nmk/tow.dll/EXEC |
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| 17:50 |
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jcamins |
Also, anything served on Windows is automatically horrifying. |
| 17:50 |
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magnuse |
kia ora Irma |
| 17:50 |
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cait |
the css might be enough to make me go blind |
| 17:50 |
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magnuse |
jcamins: yup |
| 17:50 |
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cait |
or the js |
| 17:51 |
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jcamins |
cait: two additional horrifying things. |
| 17:52 |
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* cait |
shakes her head in disbelief |
| 17:53 |
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jcamins |
Hey, does anyone have any idea why there's a checkbox to control whether the MARC tag documentation links show up or not? |
| 17:54 |
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jcamins |
That seems... kind of useless. |
| 17:54 |
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cait |
it's controlled by a cookie |
| 17:54 |
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cait |
so if you don't want them |
| 17:54 |
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magnuse |
because some people might think it s just clutter? |
| 17:54 |
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cait |
you don't have to see them |
| 17:54 |
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magnuse |
hm, my keyboard is wonky after ubuntu 12.04... |
| 17:55 |
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jcamins |
Oh, there's a cookie? |
| 17:55 |
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jcamins |
That's okay, then. |
| 17:55 |
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cait |
and I want my mysql gui tools back *sigh* |
| 17:55 |
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jcamins |
It just occurred to me to wonder what possible reason there could be for having a toggle that requires clicking every time. |
| 17:56 |
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jcamins |
But I guess it doesn't, and I just never noticed it before. |
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| 18:00 |
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slef |
ai ai ai ai ai... it's one of *those* days |
| 18:00 |
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cait |
hi slef |
| 18:00 |
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cait |
want me to chair? |
| 18:00 |
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slef |
hi cait |
| 18:00 |
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slef |
cait: yes, please! :) And let's go for a quick meeting this time, to compensate for the last one! |
| 18:01 |
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jcamins |
quick_meeting++ |
| 18:01 |
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cait |
we can try |
| 18:01 |
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cait |
#startmeeting |
| 18:01 |
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wahanui |
if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 18:01 |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed May 2 18:01:25 2012 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 18:01 |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
| 18:01 |
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cait |
#topic Introductions |
| 18:01 |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions |
| 18:01 |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 18:02 |
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cait |
please introduce youself as the bot did with #info |
| 18:02 |
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slef |
#info MJ Ray, software.coop |
| 18:02 |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 18:02 |
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jcamins |
#info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services |
| 18:02 |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 18:02 |
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slef |
(this is a meeting about KohaCon12... in case anyone is watching who doesn't know) |
| 18:03 |
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cait |
#topic Roadmap to KohaCon |
| 18:03 |
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Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to KohaCon |
| 18:04 |
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cait |
quick update from slef? |
| 18:04 |
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cait |
I think Brooke said at the meeting yesterday that we need more sponsoring? |
| 18:04 |
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slef |
ok well apologies from me for not having the usual report compiled, or the schedule done yet. |
| 18:04 |
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slef |
There was some stuff in the agenda at |
| 18:04 |
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slef |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eting,_2_May_2012 |
| 18:05 |
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slef |
# KohaCon12 Schedule basically full but needs sorting |
| 18:05 |
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slef |
# Over 40 registrations, so about 30% of capacity. Expecting a flurry of fairly local ones when schedule announced. |
| 18:05 |
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slef |
# About £1100 short on sponsorship? Please beg the firms not yet listed on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ to help make the conference better. Otherwise, it will go ahead but it might be slightly bare-bones. |
| 18:05 |
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cait |
perhaps a mail to the list? |
| 18:05 |
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slef |
the comments from that meeting are at |
| 18:05 |
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slef |
#link http://meetings.koha-community[…].00.log.html#l-46 |
| 18:05 |
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slef |
cait: to find more sponsors? |
| 18:05 |
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cait |
yes |
| 18:06 |
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cait |
that more sponsorships are needed |
| 18:06 |
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cait |
not a lot of people at the meeting yesterday |
| 18:06 |
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slef |
that would be good... my next priority is to email potential sponsors directly, based on a list S made |
| 18:06 |
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slef |
so if someone else could repeat/boost the call for sponsors, that would be a big help |
| 18:06 |
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slef |
otherwise I'll get to it after that |
| 18:07 |
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slef |
there's also a suggestion to put a donate button on the front page |
| 18:07 |
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slef |
do people like that? |
| 18:07 |
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jcamins |
+1 |
| 18:08 |
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thd |
+1 |
| 18:08 |
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cait |
+1 |
| 18:08 |
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cait |
if it doesn't take too much time |
| 18:08 |
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cait |
so basically we need more money, something else? |
| 18:09 |
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slef |
I think it's fairly simple to do. Who here can edit the website? |
| 18:09 |
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cait |
I think only around 30 days now! :) |
| 18:09 |
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jcamins |
Even just adding a link that says "Sponsor KohaCon12" on the right might be a good idea. |
| 18:09 |
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cait |
I think wizzyrea |
| 18:10 |
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cait |
not sure how to edit the right navigaton |
| 18:10 |
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slef |
I can do that. |
| 18:10 |
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cait |
I can try to do it myself |
| 18:10 |
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cait |
ah |
| 18:10 |
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slef |
I think it's Links |
| 18:10 |
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cait |
let me try and I will find you if I don't manage? |
| 18:10 |
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slef |
ok, thanks |
| 18:10 |
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thd |
Nothing should stop anyone from donating something during or after the event, however, they could not then have the same sponsorship credit as others. |
| 18:11 |
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cait |
#action cait: put a donate link on the front page |
| 18:11 |
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cait |
I think after might be a bit late for this kohacon |
| 18:11 |
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slef |
thd: yes, deadlines will soon impinge. |
| 18:11 |
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cait |
can only be used for next |
| 18:11 |
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slef |
cait: depends how late we pay the suppliers, but that's a bit nasty. |
| 18:11 |
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cait |
and you would have to know that the money will get in |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
I think we should really sort it out before the event :) |
| 18:12 |
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slef |
yeah |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
ok |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
slef, will you send out a reminder to the list then? |
| 18:12 |
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slef |
ok |
| 18:12 |
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slef |
#action slef to send reminder to the list about sponsorship |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
#action slef: sends a reminder about sponsorship to the mailing list |
| 18:12 |
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slef |
dup! |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
:) |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
you type faster |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
ok |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
next topic? |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
#topic Conference Schedule |
| 18:12 |
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Topic for #koha is now Conference Schedule |
| 18:13 |
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slef |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohaCon12_Schedule |
| 18:13 |
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slef |
took me three goes to paste that :-/ |
| 18:14 |
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slef |
no action since last week, due to illness and other unexpected events, so next action is to summarise last meeting's reviews, plus the two late paper reviews that Brooke has done |
| 18:14 |
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slef |
then contact the GDC presenters to encourage merges |
| 18:14 |
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slef |
and schedule it |
| 18:14 |
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cait |
ok |
| 18:14 |
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slef |
Can anyone help? |
| 18:14 |
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cait |
so no program this week? |
| 18:15 |
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slef |
not today |
| 18:15 |
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cait |
I think we should try to get that sorted soon - so people waiting on the program start to register |
| 18:15 |
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cait |
whatkind of help do you need? |
| 18:15 |
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thd |
cait++ |
| 18:16 |
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cait |
slef: would a spreadsheet with a summary of our last meeting help? |
| 18:17 |
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thd |
There have certainly been conferences for which I had not registered until I the presentations had been posted. |
| 18:17 |
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slef |
cait: yes. scrawling it into http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]2_Schedule#Papers would help |
| 18:17 |
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cait |
yes, I think we need to hurry up a bit |
| 18:17 |
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cait |
hm not sure how to compress the information so it can go there |
| 18:18 |
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slef |
mostly we agreed, so can summarise hi, medium or low and the audience as dev, lib or mix |
| 18:18 |
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cait |
perhaps we should also put the abstracts online for the talks that do not require change? |
| 18:18 |
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slef |
yes, indeed. I suggest on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/ |
| 18:18 |
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cait |
slef: so medium medium high would be medium? |
| 18:19 |
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cait |
slef: i thought perhaps in the wiki and link from the schedule table? |
| 18:19 |
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slef |
cait: that's what I was going to do, with me as a tie-break vote if needed, but I'm happy for it to be you |
| 18:19 |
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slef |
cait: wiki is temporary. Needs moving to the more public place ASAP |
| 18:20 |
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cait |
hm ok |
| 18:20 |
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slef |
cait: but could put it in the wiki and I'll copy it later |
| 18:20 |
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slef |
up to you |
| 18:20 |
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cait |
will still gather as many of the abstracts as I can find there first - so you can fill blanks |
| 18:20 |
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slef |
who does wins |
| 18:20 |
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slef |
I can probably paste all the abstracts fairly quickly |
| 18:20 |
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cait |
will probably be friday - I am off work on friday, so have some time to srot this out |
| 18:20 |
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slef |
it's summarising the reviews that is difficult |
| 18:21 |
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thd |
I think that posting even a potential list of papers would help obtain additional registrations and possibly more sponsorship, even in the absence of confirmation and detailed schedule. |
| 18:22 |
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slef |
cait: OK if I paste abstracts before that? I think only the GDC five required significant changes |
| 18:22 |
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slef |
required/we would request |
| 18:22 |
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cait |
totally ok |
| 18:22 |
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slef |
#agreed slef to post full abstracts to wiki unless changes were requested |
| 18:22 |
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slef |
#agreed cait to summarise reviews, probably Friday |
| 18:23 |
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cait |
#topic Hackfest Schedule |
| 18:23 |
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Topic for #koha is now Hackfest Schedule |
| 18:23 |
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cait |
I have posted 2 ideas on the wiki page |
| 18:23 |
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cait |
I am a bit stuck on it |
| 18:23 |
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slef |
well |
| 18:23 |
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cait |
we have 2 long presentations / workshops |
| 18:23 |
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slef |
I think we have five papers, plus the bugsquash idea |
| 18:23 |
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cait |
where not all might be interested in |
| 18:24 |
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slef |
and there are six half-days |
| 18:24 |
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cait |
especially the debian packaging is probably more a hands on training |
| 18:24 |
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cait |
we can spread it equally - but that will mean people don#t get to work much on topics that are on the last day |
| 18:24 |
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cait |
or we can try to put it into the first days and then start working on things we learned |
| 18:24 |
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cait |
not sure what is better |
| 18:24 |
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cait |
and how to spread it out between mornings and afternoons |
| 18:25 |
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slef |
me neither |
| 18:25 |
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cait |
I hoped for some input :) |
| 18:25 |
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jcamins |
I'd suggest no long workshops after lunch. |
| 18:25 |
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cait |
yeah |
| 18:25 |
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cait |
I was hoping for people to hack in the afternoons mostly |
| 18:25 |
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jcamins |
So I'd vote for option 2. |
| 18:25 |
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cait |
digesting what they heard in the mornings and leaving room for some spontanous things |
| 18:25 |
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slef |
ok |
| 18:26 |
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jcamins |
And I think the order makes sense, too. |
| 18:26 |
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cait |
and has someone a better idea about the Groups report? (term I mean?) |
| 18:26 |
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slef |
I think it's important to kick the bugsquash off early |
| 18:26 |
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slef |
cait: feedback? |
| 18:26 |
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cait |
the idea was that people talk about what they have worked on during the day |
| 18:26 |
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cait |
or ideas that came up |
| 18:26 |
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jcamins |
The most people will be interested in TT, followed by Plack, with SIP being interesting to the smallest number of people. |
| 18:26 |
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slef |
jcamins: yes, I think TT should be early. |
| 18:26 |
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cait |
we could start squashing bugs on monday afternoon |
| 18:26 |
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cait |
keeping some kind of score during the days |
| 18:26 |
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jcamins |
cait++ |
| 18:27 |
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cait |
jcamins: that was my thinking, hope that's ok with you all too |
| 18:27 |
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cait |
i think sip is smallest group |
| 18:27 |
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cait |
and put template toolkit before plack, because it's a bit less technical |
| 18:28 |
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slef |
ok... next question: do you want both the package workshops in the same day? |
| 18:28 |
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slef |
I can see arguments for and against it |
| 18:28 |
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jcamins |
slef: the problem I see with that is that you end up having 4 straight hours on packaging, two of those immediately after lunch, which means everyone will fall asleep. |
| 18:29 |
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slef |
Aye. The benefit is that you only lose one day to package work and could have two days spent on core hacking. |
| 18:29 |
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cait |
slef: I think both on same day is a bit much |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
so I prefer the second schedule a bit |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
we could move the sip server talk into the afternoon |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
which would make friday free to play |
| 18:30 |
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jcamins |
cait: yeah, that would make sense. |
| 18:30 |
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thd |
I like the idea of a progressive degree of accessibility starting with template toolkit. |
| 18:30 |
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slef |
jcamins: I think we have to trust people not to gorge so much at lunch that they fall asleep. |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
slef: dangerous :) |
| 18:31 |
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jcamins |
slef: well, there's trusting people, then there's making it that much easier for them to be trustworthy. ;) |
| 18:31 |
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slef |
jcamins: and we have to trust cait to bring so much chocolate and the co-ops to bring so much coffee, everyone will be running laps around the walls. |
| 18:31 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 18:31 |
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cait |
please refresh page |
| 18:31 |
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cait |
I made some changes to number 2 |
| 18:31 |
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oleonard |
slef: it worked for the marseille hackfest |
| 18:32 |
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cait |
slef: who said I will bring chocolate? :) |
| 18:32 |
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thd |
which page? |
| 18:32 |
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jcamins |
cait: I like option two. |
| 18:32 |
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cait |
everyone has to bring chocolate! :) |
| 18:32 |
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slef |
thd: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohaCon12_Schedule I think |
| 18:32 |
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jcamins |
As you have it now. |
| 18:32 |
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jcamins |
That makes a lot of sense. |
| 18:32 |
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cait |
slef: what do you think? |
| 18:32 |
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slef |
cait: looks good to me. |
| 18:32 |
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cait |
and please - another word for groups report? or is that ok, reads wrong :) |
| 18:32 |
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slef |
cait: feedback? |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
ah |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
feedback is good |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
I will put a short explanation above |
| 18:33 |
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slef |
I have seen it called "feedback to plenary" but plenary is not really a common English word I think. |
| 18:34 |
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cait |
hm and it's long :) |
| 18:34 |
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slef |
as in I have been in plenary sessions that were split into groups ;) |
| 18:34 |
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cait |
"Feedback" ? :) |
| 18:34 |
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slef |
cait: bweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeee |
| 18:34 |
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* slef |
screeches at cait |
| 18:34 |
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cait |
oh |
| 18:34 |
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cait |
what have I done? |
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* cait |
hides behind jcamins |
| 18:34 |
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slef |
sorry... thought you wanted some feedback |
| 18:35 |
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cait |
rofl |
| 18:35 |
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slef |
heh that'll be a cool way to stop people talking when it's time for the feedback session |
| 18:35 |
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cait |
you have the hat tonight ;) |
| 18:35 |
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cait |
ok |
| 18:35 |
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slef |
sorry |
| 18:35 |
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cait |
latest version in wiki |
| 18:35 |
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cait |
if someone hates it - we can still reschedule |
| 18:36 |
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jcamins |
Looks good to me. |
| 18:36 |
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slef |
hmm |
| 18:36 |
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thd |
I think that we should have some group reports at the end of each day for which there are divided tracks. |
| 18:36 |
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slef |
no free hack time in first two mornings if you like all talks |
| 18:37 |
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jcamins |
thd: I think "Feedback" covers that well enough. |
| 18:37 |
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cait |
I think we will have not all people attending to the packaging |
| 18:37 |
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slef |
yeah I guess not |
| 18:37 |
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cait |
so the short talks first in the morning |
| 18:38 |
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cait |
and people can decide to work on that or work on something else |
| 18:38 |
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slef |
ok |
| 18:38 |
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cait |
not sure it will work - we will see then and there |
| 18:38 |
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thd |
Have we suggested 'feedback' for the end of each day? |
| 18:38 |
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slef |
yeah true we can play if needed, but this is a good working plan |
| 18:38 |
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cait |
thd: check the schedule - there is one block at 4 everyday |
| 18:38 |
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jcamins |
thd: yes, there's a schedule proposed on the wiki. |
| 18:38 |
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cait |
perhaps we could also have on ein the morning for friday? |
| 18:39 |
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slef |
cait: friday? |
| 18:39 |
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cait |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]edule#Other_ideas |
| 18:39 |
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wahanui |
friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday |
| 18:39 |
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cait |
oh monday |
| 18:39 |
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cait |
sory |
| 18:39 |
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slef |
np |
| 18:39 |
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slef |
all work and no play makes cait a dull boy |
| 18:39 |
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* thd |
had glanced so quickly at the schedule table that rows and columns had been inverted in his mind. |
| 18:40 |
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cait |
boy? |
| 18:40 |
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slef |
cait: hey, I didn't make the saying up. |
| 18:41 |
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slef |
speaking of mind inversions, can we move on to the next topic before thd makes another entry in the bizarre statement contest? ;-) |
| 18:41 |
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cait |
#Topic Next meeting |
| 18:41 |
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Topic for #koha is now Next meeting |
| 18:41 |
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slef |
Next Wednesday, same time? |
| 18:41 |
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cait |
yep |
| 18:41 |
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cait |
+1 |
| 18:41 |
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slef |
#agreed Next Wednesday, same time |
| 18:42 |
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cait |
#endmeeting |
| 18:42 |
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Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.0, 3.6.4 and 3.4.8 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 2 May 2012 at 2:00 UTC+0 |
| 18:42 |
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huginn |
Meeting ended Wed May 2 18:41:45 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 18:42 |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-02-18.01.html |
| 18:42 |
|
huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-05-02-18.01.txt |
| 18:42 |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]02-18.01.log.html |
| 18:42 |
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* slef |
waits for the hammer to fall |
| 18:42 |
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cait |
don't get your hand under it |
| 18:42 |
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* slef |
got beat by it |
| 18:42 |
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cait |
lolo |
| 18:42 |
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cait |
or lol even |
| 18:42 |
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slef |
no yolo then? |
| 18:43 |
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slef |
ok, thanks everyone |
| 18:43 |
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jcamins |
Well done. Only 40 minutes. |
| 18:44 |
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* slef |
returns to collapsing |
| 18:44 |
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thd |
slef: My previous entry into the bizarre statements had been inspired by wahanui. |
| 18:45 |
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oleonard |
Who proposed "A Road Map to Improved Koha Governance?" Or is it secret for papers under review? |
| 18:45 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I think they were all accepted. |
| 18:45 |
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slef |
oleonard: it'll be in last week's log in the paste therein |
| 18:45 |
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jcamins |
(and therefore it need not be secret) |
| 18:45 |
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slef |
I'm next to it, so I'll get it |
| 18:45 |
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jcamins |
Bob Birchall, I think. |
| 18:46 |
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slef |
oh no not in the pastebin |
| 18:46 |
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slef |
meh |
| 18:46 |
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* oleonard |
is going by http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]2_Schedule#Papers |
| 18:46 |
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slef |
let me get the abstracts now |
| 18:46 |
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oleonard |
Many under "reviewing" jcamins |
| 18:46 |
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cait |
oleonard: slef will update :) |
| 18:46 |
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cait |
it's on his list :P |
| 18:46 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: updating that is one of slef's actions. |
| 18:46 |
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thd |
Presenters should be included in the list of accepted papers. |
| 18:47 |
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oleonard |
Okay, I'm in no hurry (and I wasn't paying close attention to the meeting sorry) |
| 18:47 |
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* oleonard |
is trying to keep jealously-levels down |
| 18:47 |
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cait |
ooh :( |
| 18:47 |
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thd |
oleonard: There are no secrets which are not secret from me. |
| 18:49 |
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thd |
oleonard: We are also not 'something enough' to yet have need for anonymous review of papers or bugs. |
| 18:49 |
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wahanui |
okay, thd. |
| 18:49 |
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oleonard |
We? |
| 18:49 |
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wahanui |
We are talking about ms outlook here... or not 'something enough' to yet have need for anonymous review of papers or bugs. |
| 18:50 |
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thd |
oleonard: We, the koha communal we. |
| 18:50 |
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* oleonard |
was merely poking wahanui |
| 18:50 |
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cait |
whanui: forget we |
| 18:50 |
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wahanui |
cait: I forgot we |
| 18:52 |
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thd |
Many peer review procedures have anonymous review for papers. Does anyone ever do anonymous patch review? |
| 18:52 |
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thd |
s/bugs/patches/ |
| 18:52 |
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jcamins |
thd: not for Koha. |
| 18:53 |
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thd |
jcamins: I meant for the world. |
| 18:53 |
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jcamins |
thd: I'm not sure. |
| 18:54 |
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jcamins |
A quick Google search doesn't turn much up. |
| 18:54 |
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jcamins |
I don't see how that could work, though. |
| 18:55 |
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thd |
jcamins: I imagine that it could work in the same way that anonymous peer review works to some degree for academic journals. |
| 18:56 |
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thd |
jcamins: It involves an additional anonymising layer in the work flow. |
| 18:56 |
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jcamins |
I mean, not that academic peer review is necessarily that successful at keeping things anonymous, but at least there are a lot more PhDs in mechanical engineering than there are developers in most development projects. |
| 18:58 |
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thd |
The veil of anonymity would be especially thin and probably conflict with other universal project goals such as keeping people aware of what your development efforts. |
| 19:00 |
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thd |
The only project which comes to mind where anonymity in patch review might help overcome a problem is Linux kernel development. |
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* thd |
heads to the laundry. |
| 19:06 |
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cait |
slef: the great wizzyrea has put the donate button on the front page :) |
| 19:06 |
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cait |
wizzyrea++ |
| 19:06 |
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wizzyrea |
(but it looks funny - is there another paypal graphic we can use? |
| 19:06 |
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magnuse |
wizzyrea++ |
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wizzyrea |
well it's better anyway |
| 19:10 |
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wizzyrea |
ok, now I feel at least not terrible about it |
| 19:10 |
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wizzyrea |
bbiab, installing software |
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slef |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]chedule#Abstracts posted, except the ones we're definitely asking for changes on. Let me know if I've mispasted anything... or just edit it out, please? |
| 19:18 |
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magnuse |
g`night #koha |
| 19:19 |
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oleonard |
Looks like a great slate of talks |
| 19:22 |
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* chris_n |
wonders what the toxicity level is for java |
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oleonard |
How much java programming you can do before you die? |
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chris_n |
it tastes good going down... |
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jcamins |
o.O |
| 19:45 |
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jcamins |
Oh, never mind. |
| 19:45 |
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jcamins |
Looks like the RSS feed is acting up. |
| 19:50 |
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jcamins |
Would it (theoretically) be possible to return "404: this record does not exist" when someone enters an invalid biblionumber rather than the standard 404 page? |
| 19:54 |
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oleonard |
Oh, I figured out how to get Chome to eat memory like Firefox |
| 19:54 |
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slef |
oleonard: congratulations! |
| 19:54 |
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oleonard |
Ask it to clear the cache since the beginning of time. |
| 19:54 |
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jcamins |
Ironic, isn't it? All you wanted to do was reduce its resource usage! |
| 19:55 |
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slef |
jcamins: maybe. It is possible to set a different errordocument for that path? |
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jcamins |
slef: well, it's opac-detail.pl |
| 19:58 |
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jcamins |
Ah, just check REDIRECT_URL. |
| 19:58 |
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jcamins |
Cool. |
| 19:58 |
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jcamins |
And with that thought, it's time to call it a day. |
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jcamins |
So long, #koha. |
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cait |
morning kathryn |
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kathryn |
heya cait |
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* chris_n |
follows oleonard's example and heads home |
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cait |
night all |
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jcamins_away |
You know what would hugely improve performance? |
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jcamins_away |
On the OPAC, anyway, cache the error pages. |
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melia |
wizzyrea: you around? |
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* wizzyrea |
waves |
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wizzyrea |
sup |
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melia |
I am looking at the sql reports library at your report for finding duplicate holds |
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wizzyrea |
reports library? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that reports library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
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wizzyrea |
(just wanted the link) |
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wizzyrea |
ok shoot |
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melia |
but am curious about "do note that it doesn't necessarily mean anything as processes done on one will do the same to the other" |
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wizzyrea |
right, this report only detects them, but you can't DO anything to them through the UI |
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wizzyrea |
if that makes sense |
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wizzyrea |
you can't delete them |
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melia |
so how does one get rid of them? (and how did they get there to start with?) |
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wizzyrea |
they got there when a patron or staff member double clicked the "place hold" button |
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wizzyrea |
there is relatively recent code that adds a javascript trap for double clicks |
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wizzyrea |
kyle did it I think |
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wizzyrea |
i'm sure it's in 3.8, i'm not sure if it's in 3.6 |
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melia |
ok, that makes sense. the library that's asking is on 3.6 still. |
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wizzyrea |
bug 4054 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4054 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Double-clicking the 'place hold' button can result in duplicate holds |
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melia |
thank you very much@ |
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wizzyrea |
yw :) |
| 21:47 |
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wizzyrea |
as far as getting rid of them |
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wizzyrea |
you don't have to |
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wizzyrea |
yes, it's weird |
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wizzyrea |
but they complete and work just like every other hold |
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melia |
awesome. if they'll just disappear happily on their own, that's great. :) |
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wizzyrea |
so, just tell the staff (and they can tell their patron) "these will clear in time" |
| 21:48 |
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wizzyrea |
yep, they do |
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chris_n |
is there not dup check for holds in the holds code? |
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jcamins_away |
I don't think there is. |
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chris_n |
interesting that the reserves table has no PK |
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gmcharlt |
interesting indeed |
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gmcharlt |
for painful definitions of "interesting" ;) |
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chris_n |
a PK made up of borrowernumber and biblionumber probably would eliminate the possability of dups |
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chris_n |
or itemnumber rather? |
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chris_n |
depending |
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* chris_n |
is no circulation whiz |
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gmcharlt |
which is where it could get tricky |
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gmcharlt |
in principle somebody could want both a title-level and copy-level hold on the same title |
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chris_n |
in which case it may be better to have an autoincr pk and have the code catch dups based on rules? |
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gmcharlt |
IMO, yes |
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chris_n |
this probably deserves its very own bug :-) |
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jcamins_away |
chris_n: it has one. |
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jcamins_away |
kyleh wrote a patch, which I commented on. |
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jcamins_away |
@query primary key |
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huginn |
jcamins_away: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7065 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , reserves table needs a primary key |
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huginn |
jcamins_away: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7671 major, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , add a real primary key "accountlinesid" in accountlines |
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huginn |
jcamins_away: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7792 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , redefine the field branchcode as PRIMARY KEY of branches |
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huginn |
jcamins_away: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7793 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , redefine the field message_id as PRIMARY KEY of message_queue |
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huginn |
jcamins_away: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7794 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , redefine the field id as PRIMARY KEY of sessions |
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jcamins_away |
Bug 7065 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7065 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , reserves table needs a primary key |
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jcamins_away |
That's the one. |
| 22:39 |
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chris_n |
that needs pushing |
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chris_n |
but the problem is a bit deeper as the backend fails to do any dup checking |
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* chris_n |
runs off to the next scheduled event of the evening |
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jcamins_away |
chris_n: I commented on why I didn't like the proposed patch. |
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jcamins_away |
Oh, there is a new patch. |
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jcamins_away |
From today. |
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jcamins_away |
Huh. Didn't notice that. |
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Judit |
good morning |
