IRC log for #koha, 2012-04-05

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00:14 jcamins_away BSES: yes. Turn on TraceAllSubfields in Searching.
00:15 rangi (thats in system preferences, under administration)
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01:28 BSES found it! Thank you so much - I should read the entire manual shouldn't I? :)
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04:05 libsysguy later #koha
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04:10 mib_82cyha Hi
04:11 mib_82cyha Heloo
04:12 mib_82cyha I have an issue with koha, its always XML
04:12 mib_82cyha it always fails the package XML::RSS
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04:15 Mahesh Hello Good Morning
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04:36 mib_f4svf6 hello
04:36 mib_f4svf6 I have an issue with perl package XML::RSS
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04:39 mib_f4svf6 hello
04:41 cait hi mib_f4svf6
04:41 cait hi #koha
04:52 mib_f4svf6 have an issue with perl package error XML::RSS while installing
04:53 mib_f4svf6 hi cait
04:54 mib_f4svf6 error message is Test Summary Report ------------------- t/1.0-generate.t             (Wstat: 2048 Tests: 25 Failed: 8)   Failed tests:  16-18, 21-25   Non-zero exit status: 8 t/2.0-generate.t             (Wstat: 2048 Tests: 29 Failed: 8)   Failed tests:  16-18, 24-28   Non-zero exit status: 8 t/test-generated-items.t     (Wstat: 65280 Tests: 174 Failed: 0)
04:57 cait mib_f4svf6: which version are you trying to install?
04:59 mib_f4svf6 hi cait ;;   koha version koha-3.06.04 and operating system open suse 12.1
04:59 cait hm I am not sure why the tests fail
04:59 cait it might be ok to continue
05:00 mib_f4svf6 all other packages are installed sucessfully
05:00 mib_f4svf6 and i had compile the packages
05:01 mib_f4svf6 while trying in browser its showing the package error
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05:23 Oak kia ora #koha
05:23 Oak hello miss cait.
05:23 cait hi Oak
05:23 cait sorry mib_f4svf6 not sure how to fix it
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05:26 Amit_Gupta heya bag
05:31 mib_f4svf6 Failed test 'Parsed ./t/generated/1.0-generated.xml' #   at t/1.0-generate.t line 118. #          got: '
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06:37 reiveune hello
06:42 alex_away hello!
06:47 cait bonjour alex_away
06:47 cait hi reiveune :)
06:47 reiveune hi cait :)
06:51 cait ok, have to run - bbl
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07:04 Joubu hi
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07:31 kf hi #koha
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07:49 kf hi asaurat :)
07:50 asaurat hi !! :)
07:53 kf :)
08:05 rangi evening
08:05 kf evening :)
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08:33 mbalmer paul_p++
08:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #699 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7785: Remove unused function columns() which uses a MySQLism. <[…]fc9895fdd601a5f11>
08:36 rangi no longer worried about the logs?
08:46 rangi @wunder nzwn
08:46 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 PM NZST on April 05, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
08:46 rangi @wunder edinburgh,uk
08:46 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 4.0°C (9:45 AM BST on April 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
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09:00 Oak i don't know if my last message went through?
09:00 Oak copy pasting: how important is it to set-up and use the Acquisition module? I mean, if I am skipping it altogether, can it come back and haunt me later? If yes then under what conditions?
09:00 rangi nope
09:00 rangi you can totally not use it, and at any time start to use it
09:01 Oak okay good.
09:01 Oak thank you!
09:01 rangi no worries
09:01 slef hi all
09:01 slef magnus_away: thanks for the signoff
09:01 rangi heya slef
09:01 slef eythian: failed QA? Really? :(
09:02 Oak hello slef
09:02 rangi heh, he replaced it with one that did all the dependencies, but yes he could have just followed up
09:05 eythian slef: well, I wasn't sure how long it'd take me to make a replacement, so I figured that I'd mark it that while I did one.
09:05 eythian turned out to be quick, so I added that.
09:05 eythian it would have been harder to make a follow up, as it's all generated by scripts anyway
09:06 rangi you not still at work eythian ?
09:07 slef eythian: I added only the ones necessary to make the build work. I thought you must have a reason for not listing everything. Something like a debian/HACKING might be useful.
09:07 rangi hmm that really didn't need not in there
09:07 eythian no, finishing up by eating my lunch as dinner (forgot it was a pizza day) and don't yet have a microwave to reheat it at home.
09:08 eythian slef: ah, no. The script walks through all the declared dependencies and adds them. If it shows them, they almost always should be added.
09:08 eythian you're right, a file explaining that would be good.
09:09 slef eythian: what script?
09:09 wahanui script is, like, here, take it, pretty it up, use  it ;)
09:09 eythian slef: debian/update-control
09:09 slef eythian: doh, should have spotted that one
09:10 eythian it actually needs a bit of work when I get the chance, there are some deps not in debian that it freaks out about a bit
09:10 eythian (in sid, not in squeeze I think)
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09:12 slef aaaaag bug 2780 mailbombed me
09:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2780 minor, P3, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Capitalize strings consistently
09:12 slef another drawback of lots-of-little-patches
09:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #699: SUCCESS in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/699/
09:22 jenkins_koha marc: Bug 7785: Remove unused function columns() which uses a MySQLism.
09:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7785 trivial, P5 - low, ---, marc, Pushed to Master , Unnecessary MySQL-ism:  C4::Members columns()
09:26 slef rangi: what's your view on running that git gc command that fredericd suggests?
09:28 rangi id have to test it doesn't do anything weird
09:28 rangi git gc is fine
09:29 rangi i need to read up on what --prune=now does
09:29 rangi probably when im more sober
09:29 rangi ahhh
09:29 rangi git gc does prune 2 weeks ago by default
09:30 rangi so yeah its harmless i thnk
09:34 slef rangi: paul_p just reported it's a memory and cpu hog
09:34 slef but if you can get through that, it looks fine
09:35 rangi well thats the --aggressive bit
09:35 rangi that works the machine hard
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09:35 slef wahanui: irc log?
09:35 wahanui i think irc log is at
09:36 rangi logs?
09:36 wahanui logs is
09:36 slef errr, which to use?
09:36 rangi same machine but nicer url
09:36 rangi its both my computer here at home
09:36 slef wahanui: forget irc log
09:36 wahanui slef: I forgot irc log
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10:39 dpavlin_ rangi: awake again :-)
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11:04 kf hi dpavlin_ :)
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11:44 dpavlin_ Did you noticed that Samuel erased himself from Translation Manager role?[…]diff=0&oldid=7303
11:46 Culiforge Could someone offer some assistance here, Fedora14, trying to get to the koha web setup,
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11:51 slef Culiforge: have you installed the package containing Authen::CAS::Client?
11:52 Culiforge slef: should have.. checking...
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12:00 Culiforge slef: hmm, went to install and get [msg] no 'root/.cpanplus/custom-sources' dir, skipping custom sources
12:00 jcamins Culiforge: you shouldn't need any custom sources, I don't think.
12:00 Culiforge slef: wait,wait.. it's still going
12:01 Culiforge it just paused quite long.. maybe searching sources I think
12:05 Culiforge 'Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at line 288'
12:05 Culiforge that's from the browser
12:06 Culiforge I think it's good news that there's only on error now :)
12:06 Culiforge *one*
12:08 jcamins Culiforge: you're missing CGI::Session::something-or-other.
12:08 Culiforge one sec, checking on that..
12:08 jcamins CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml
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12:11 slef @query google books
12:11 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Pazpar2 integration
12:11 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6267 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , custom http user-agent in (fix for 401 error)
12:11 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6035 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Mobile interface for OPAC
12:11 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7594 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Google Cover CSS suggestions
12:11 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7657 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Google and OpenLibrary image conflict
12:11 slef I'm taking bug 6267
12:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6267 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , custom http user-agent in (fix for 401 error)
12:11 jcamins slef: go for it.
12:17 Culiforge jcamins:  slef - muhahaha, thanks, that did the trick, I'm in. kudos and cookies to you both
12:20 slef Changes submitted for bug 6267
12:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6267 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , custom http user-agent in (fix for 401 error)
12:24 * dpavlin_ happy -- first fully succeful database upgrade on plack with bug 7857 :-)
12:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7857 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , database upgrade fails with plack
12:26 kf :)
12:26 slef actually, why does check-url GET rather than HEAD?
12:29 slef not that it would have fixed bug 6267
12:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6267 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , custom http user-agent in (fix for 401 error)
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12:40 dpavlin_ bug 6701 changed syspreference timeout to ms, which is wrong. Can somebody sign-off it before string freeze?
12:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6701 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , language on timeout system preference is wrong
12:41 kf I can try to do it tonight
12:41 chris_n dpavlin_: I can do it in a few moments
12:41 chris_n hi kf
12:42 dpavlin_ kf++ chris_n++ :-)
12:43 kf :)
12:43 kf chris_n++
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12:52 libsysguy sometimes you're trolling your own catalog and you see a book that just makes you go WTF
12:52 libsysguy then you make the mistake of opening it and wish you hadn't
12:52 kf ?
12:53 libsysguy Tantra for two
12:53 kf lol
12:53 libsysguy …full of naked fat people
12:53 libsysguy WHYYYY
12:53 kf and that in a library, scandalous
12:54 libsysguy in a conservative library
12:54 libsysguy actually I found a book in reference one day that was "Teaching to a segregated classroom"
12:57 * chris_n wonders why we create biblioimages in rev and again later in
12:57 jcamins chris_n: typo.
12:58 chris_n where?
12:58 jcamins kohastructure.sql.
12:58 chris_n the create table statements look identical
12:58 kf chris_n: there was a bug
12:59 kf wrong table name in some installations
12:59 kf because different name in kohastructure
12:59 chris_n I see a note to the effect that the  table name is wrong
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12:59 chris_n ahh, so if you performed a new install between the two revs you had an incorrect table name?
13:00 chris_n so why not a simple RENAME TABLE rather than drop and create
13:00 jcamins Right.
13:00 jcamins I don't recall.
13:00 chris_n or was the entire structure wrong?
13:01 jcamins I think there may have been an error in the table name and also in some of the column names.
13:01 jcamins And since there was no way for data to get into it, I decided to just use DROP and CREATE.
13:01 chris_n k, nasty business errors are
13:01 jcamins Yup.
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13:07 vfernandes hi guys
13:07 vfernandes i can't upload patron images in bulk
13:08 vfernandes Can't exec "unzip": No such file or directory
13:08 dpavlin_ vfernandes: apt-get install unzip
13:09 vfernandes omg... i thought that was some problem with the script and not a missing package
13:10 jcamins vfernandes: I think that feature may currently be broken.
13:10 jcamins Oh, that means you need to install unzip.
13:10 jcamins sudo apt-get install unzip
13:10 dpavlin_ Did you install from koha package? It has dependecy on unzip so it should work AFAIK
13:11 vfernandes i've installed the unzip but it gives another error
13:11 vfernandes Opening /tmp/KQIJOcb0oH/ failed!
13:13 jcamins vfernandes: unfortunately, I'm still pretty sure that feature doesn't work at the moment.
13:13 vfernandes damn :/
13:13 vfernandes so how i can upload praton images in bulk?
13:14 jcamins vfernandes: I don't think you can.
13:14 jcamins vfernandes: I could be mistaken, I don't ever use that feature.
13:15 vfernandes ok, thanks jcamins
13:15 vfernandes another questions that kf had tried to help me
13:15 vfernandes i'm having some strange enconding problems with Koha
13:16 chris_n vfernandes: that feature has worked fine in the past, if it does not now, please file a bug
13:17 jcamins chris_n: it just broke recently. I think there is a bug.
13:17 vfernandes i'm using 3.2.6... not a recent version
13:17 jcamins Bug 7643.
13:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7643 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Can't upload and import zipped file of patron images
13:17 jcamins vfernandes: it worked fine in 3.2.
13:18 vfernandes ok i will check the logs...
13:20 vfernandes now you can try help me whit something.... i've having strange encoding problems with the MARC expanded views and cataloguing view
13:20 * chris_n dutifully reassigns 7643 to himself
13:20 vfernandes i'll give you a exemple
13:24 vfernandes[…]iblionumber=84701
13:24 vfernandes look at tags description... encoding probelm :/
13:25 vfernandes i've checked in the code of and the tags are returned well from the database but when concating the string the encoding gets wrong
13:26 vfernandes $tag_data{tag} = $fields[$x_i]->tag() . ' ' . C4::Koha::display_marc_indicators($fields[$x_i])  . ' - '  . $tagslib->{ $fields[$x_i]->tag() }->{lib};
13:26 jcamins vfernandes: did you try a newer version?
13:26 jcamins At the very least, you should be running 3.2.10, which is the last version of 3.2.x.
13:27 vfernandes jcamins the same database, the same scripts and templates in another system works fine
13:29 vfernandes same Koha version
13:31 vfernandes before that code line the tags and descriptions are correct. After concat encoding go bad :/
13:31 jcamins vfernandes: in that case, it's something to do with your particular setup.
13:32 vfernandes locale are UTF8, same for Apache and for MySQL
13:32 vfernandes any idea of what it could be?
13:34 Culiforge does koha require a specific version of  PDF::API2::Simple, the version I have doesn't want to install?
13:34 jcamins Culiforge: it's not required at all.
13:34 jcamins vfernandes: none, sorry.
13:34 jcamins Culiforge: it's used for patron cards, labels, and invoices, but you can continue on if installing it is not working now.
13:36 Culiforge jcamins: hmm, web installer is telling me it MUST be installed. both makefile and cpan tell me can't locate inc/module/
13:37 jcamins Hm.
13:37 jcamins It shouldn't.
13:37 Culiforge jcamins: big red letters too
13:38 jcamins Yeah, that's not so good.
13:38 Culiforge jcamins: otherwise.. when you say it's not needed... I tend to listen to you...
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13:40 Culiforge jcamins: could it be a problem with the source file?
13:40 jcamins Culiforge: oh, I know what it is. You're missing MakeMaker.
13:41 vfernandes jcamins i've solve it :):) finally
13:42 Culiforge jcamins: is that the extutils-makemaker.noarch?
13:42 chris_n jcamins: have a look at bug 7902
13:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7902 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Adding Function to Check for Existence of Tables
13:44 Culiforge jcamins: says it's there.. unless there's another makemaker I need?
13:44 jcamins Culiforge: that's the one I was thinking of.
13:44 vfernandes it was the DBD::mysql perl package...
13:44 jcamins chris_n: brilliant!
13:45 vfernandes the version was 3.0... i've upgraded to 4.0 and works fine
13:45 chris_n sign-off and maybe paul_p will push it into 3.8
13:45 chris_n it makes no serious changes and gets rid of errors (not)
13:45 * chris_n goes off to sign-off on 6701
13:46 jcamins Culiforge: I'm sorry, you need Module::Install.
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13:46 jcamins I got confused about which one was needed.
13:46 jcamins MakeMaker is automatic, Module::Install is not.
13:46 jcamins[…]March/023259.html
13:46 Culiforge jcamins: cool cool.. just found it myself, looking in the makefile script
13:55 asaurat did someone created a new basket recently on a master koha ? :p I can't do it anymore, dunno if there's a new bug or if I broke my DB (can happen =))
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13:58 chris_n dpavlin_: bug 6701 signed off
13:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6701 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Signed Off , language on timeout system preference is wrong
13:58 dpavlin_ chris_n++
13:58 * chris_n actually feels a bit useful now ;-)
14:08 chris_n jcamins++
14:08 chris_n paul_p around?
14:09 chris_n @later tell paul_p any chance we can slip bug 7902 into 3.8?
14:09 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded.
14:09 * chris_n hands jcamins a chocolate icecream sandwich
14:10 jcamins Mmm.
14:10 jcamins chris_n++
14:19 slef has anybody here... seen my old friend bug 6267?
14:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6267 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , custom http user-agent in (fix for 401 error)
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14:36 jcamins Does anyone know of any reason why Koha doesn't use the popularity index anymore?
14:36 wizzyrea because there's no way to automatically populate the field in the record?
14:37 wizzyrea at least, that was my impression.
14:37 kf well... there would be ways... but we don't do it?
14:37 matts hey kf, just to let you know, i implemented your "less-confusing" way for BZ7412 :)
14:37 wizzyrea well, yea, "no way" meaning "there is no existent code to do it right now"
14:37 jcamins So, "because GRS-1 sucks" is the relevant answer here, too.
14:37 jcamins :)
14:38 jcamins Just checking.
14:38 jcamins It seems to me that it would be really useful.
14:38 kf yay :)
14:38 wizzyrea if you are inclined to fix it I'd test it for you :P
14:38 jcamins wizzyrea: we're waiting on gmcharlt's DOM indexing. :)
14:39 wizzyrea *nod*
14:40 jcamins I mean, it's not a completely simple fix, but it's not too bad.
14:41 chris_n anybody looked at chrome's "Audit" of various koha pages?
14:41 jcamins Whoah. Remove 1339 unused CSS rules.
14:41 * chris_n notes that it suggests that 2594 css rules are loaded but not used by the opac page
14:41 chris_n snap
14:41 wizzyrea not sure what you are referring to
14:41 chris_n among other performance suggestions
14:42 chris_n wizzyrea: in chrome
14:42 wizzyrea but where :p
14:42 chris_n right-click and select "inspect element"
14:42 chris_n :-)
14:42 chris_n then you'll see an "audit" button
14:42 wizzyrea oh, ha, you mean the "audits" tab
14:42 wizzyrea derp
14:42 chris_n go ahead..
14:42 chris_n push it
14:42 * wizzyrea has morning blindness
14:43 wizzyrea some of that is because of opacusercss
14:43 * chris_n wonders if implementing those suggestions would noticeably improve performance
14:43 wizzyrea and opacuserjs
14:43 wahanui rumour has it opacuserjs is a syspref
14:43 oleonard Chrome only knows what is on that particular page. It doesn't know what CSS rules are used on other pages
14:43 jcamins wizzyrea: most of what we're not using is opac.css.
14:44 jcamins I wish there were a way to crawl the entire site, and see whether any CSS rules were not used *at all*.
14:44 chris_n oleonard: so does it make sense to break things up?
14:44 chris_n or is that a nightmare
14:44 oleonard Probably not, since loading the CSS once and caching it is probably faster
14:45 oleonard It would probably be better to consolidate the CSS even more so that we're not loading so many different ones on a single page
14:45 wizzyrea that "optimize the order of styles and scripts" is almost certainly caused by those sysprefs though
14:46 oleonard That one we should file a bug for
14:47 * chris_n had to find something to do while waiting for items to be separated from bibs
14:48 jcamins Hmmm... it should be pretty easy to move CSS and JS to a separate domain, I think.
14:49 oleonard jcamins: Why?
14:49 jcamins oleonard: that's one of the things Chrome says we should do.
14:49 * chris_n files a bug
14:49 jcamins I'm reflecting that would be pretty easy if it's worthwhile.
14:52 chris_n oleonard: I hope bug 7906 makes some sense :-P
14:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Optimize the order of styles and scripts
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14:57 chris_n chrome's network tab is insightful as well
14:57 jcamins Any idea what data:text/css is?
14:59 chris_n ?
15:00 chris_n where are you seeing that?
15:00 jcamins chris_n: it's being loaded by the OPAC?
15:00 jcamins *.
15:00 jcamins In the network tab.
15:01 chris_n style sheets?
15:01 jcamins <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" href="data:text/css,">
15:01 chris_n ahh
15:01 chris_n not sure
15:02 jcamins I'm not sure where it's coming from, either.
15:02 oleonard What page? I don't see it
15:03 jcamins Main OPAC page.
15:04 oleonard Do you have something in OPACUserCSS?
15:05 oleonard I still don't see it
15:05 reiveune1 bye
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15:05 jcamins Weird... I found the line right before, and the line right after it in
15:05 chris_n bye
15:05 jcamins They're consecutive.
15:07 jcamins And the line doesn't show up in the source. Just in the inspector.
15:08 jcamins Oh, something to do with javascript.
15:09 chris_n to enable xslt in opac I should just have to enter 'default' for OPACXSLT*Display, right?
15:10 * chris_n feels like he's in the dark ages being back on 3.2
15:10 oleonard Mammoth OPAC patch for Bug 2780 submitted.
15:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2780 minor, P3, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Capitalize strings consistently
15:13 wizzyrea oh wow no lie, that is mammoth
15:14 oleonard And I'm sure I've missed things
15:15 chris_n nice
15:15 kf oleonard: it will still be a looooo tmore consistent than we have ever been before :)
15:15 kf oh
15:16 kf and translators are going to hate you :P
15:16 oleonard Oh well :)
15:17 kf first ... later they will like it :)
15:17 wizzyrea are we qa'ing these by reading the patches + making sure they apply?
15:17 wizzyrea curious how others did it
15:18 kf hm
15:18 kf should we have a general bug t clean the logs?
15:18 kf there are lots and lots and lots of entries inmy logs everytime I  look
15:19 kf I think we activated warnings... code was ok... and then we added new thigns that made it complain again
15:19 oleonard wizzyrea: I think it would be too difficult to try to view each page.
15:19 chris_n kf: I think there may be a bug for that
15:19 wizzyrea there ought to be a cron to archive and truncate actionitems
15:19 chris_n trouble is, I don't remember which
15:19 wizzyrea actionlogs
15:19 kf mentioning it... *hint* in hope someone goes and fixes some of those
15:19 wizzyrea . sheesh. Actionitems
15:19 * chris_n hands wizzyrea a new keyboard
15:20 * wizzyrea has succumbed to the buzzword mentality SAVE ME
15:20 jcamins kf: aren't you talking about the Apache log?
15:20 kf koha-error-logs
15:20 chris_n oohh, rounded corners
15:20 chris_n oleonard++
15:20 kf and the opac one... but I hardly go there.. mostly looking at the intranet log
15:20 * wizzyrea ahems
15:20 kf and it's crowded
15:20 kf wizzyrea++
15:20 kf chris_n fast!
15:20 wizzyrea lol :)
15:20 wizzyrea j/k
15:20 wizzyrea well kinda
15:20 wizzyrea depends on which rounded corners >.>
15:21 * wizzyrea would roundify lots of stuff.
15:21 * chris_n thinks his librarians will be lost after the upgrade :-)
15:22 kf chris_n: they will love it :)
15:22 kf chris_n: we upgraded all our librraies from 3.2.2 to 3.6.3 very recently
15:22 kf and they like it a lot :)
15:22 chris_n I can only imagine
15:22 chris_n bugs are crawling out of 3.2.x like crazy around here
15:23 chris_n which have been fixed
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15:25 chris_n so which xslt stylesheet is the "default"?
15:28 kf the one in your language folder
15:28 kf prog/en/xslt/...
15:28 kf :)
15:29 kf hm more precise perhaps the one that comes with Koha - because you could add your own into that folder and give the patch now :) which is pretty cool
15:29 chris_n well, there were [sic] more than one ;-)
15:29 chris_n but I figured it out
15:29 kf oh ok
15:29 * chris_n needs more caffine
15:29 * kf should go home :)
15:30 * chris_n works on integrating a "reader" into his koha installation
15:33 alex_a bye !
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15:45 chris_n wow, are references to *.tmpl files still used?
15:45 * chris_n eyeballs line 32 in
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15:45 jcamins chris_n: they're translated to .tt in C4.
15:45 chris_n why not just fix it all?
15:46 chris_n seems asking for problems
15:46 chris_n so when I write new pages, I have to observe that syntax?
15:47 jcamins chris_n: new pages should use .tt.
15:48 chris_n we need to fix the old ones imho
15:48 chris_n half-baked things are asking for trouble
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16:11 slef @quote add <chris_n> half-baked things are asking for trouble
16:11 huginn slef: The operation succeeded.  Quote #197 added.
16:11 slef @quote random
16:11 huginn slef: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010)
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16:17 kf bye all and happy easter :)
16:17 uwe Hello, i got koha installed now; and on the web i can open the page in the browser but it gets me to System Maintenance page. im not sure what i did wrong, the documentation was a bit scattered and i might have done something wrong ...
16:17 slef bye kf you slacker :)
16:17 kf ?
16:17 slef uwe: log into the intranet interface
16:17 kf slacker?
16:17 slef kf: oh just that I'll be here at least one day of the next 4
16:18 uwe im using the IP; im not sure what you mean
16:18 kf kf won't but cait will be too ;)
16:19 oleonard uwe: You're seeing the public interface, the OPAC. You need to navigate to the staff client to run the web installer
16:19 slef uwe: stick :8080 on the end, probably
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16:19 slef (of the IP)
16:20 uwe yep !
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16:21 uwe now i got in :)
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16:25 slef @query logging
16:25 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2394 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , canreservefromotherbranches preference not working
16:25 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2821 minor, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , gets too much information when authenticating staff user
16:25 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5371 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Back-button in OPAC shows previous user's details, after LOGOUT
16:25 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3296 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, NEW , replace sessionlog with Perl4Log implementation
16:25 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6890 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Add 'delete reserve' to modification logging
16:38 libsysguy @quote random
16:38 huginn libsysguy: Quote #143: "rhcl: Blame the C coders; if it was written in Ada it would have exception handling." (added by wizzyrea at 09:51 PM, June 28, 2011)
16:38 wizzyrea @quote random
16:38 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #63: "<jwagner> But no one expects the Spammish Inquisition!" (added by jdavidb at 01:50 PM, March 01, 2010)
16:38 wizzyrea lol!
16:39 wizzyrea that's a great one
16:45 oleonard Thanks for the signoff wizzyrea
16:51 chris_n lol
16:52 wizzyrea yw
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17:25 slef damn I think I've broken my dev install
17:25 slef it says "No physical items for this record" when there are two items attached
17:27 * slef throws the database on the floor in disgust
17:33 sjeffery You are thinking of it the wrong simply found a new bug:)
17:39 jcamins_away slef: there was an updatedatabase issue.
17:39 jcamins_away slef: check your version. It probably says 30799 instead of 30700.
17:39 jcamins_away Change it to 30700, go through updatedatabase, and it will resume working.
17:39 wahanui jcamins_away: that doesn't look right
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17:40 slef now with a clean database, I can't add any rules http://intranet.plantain.obscu[…]in/ in the first table. I click Add and they don't show up.
17:40 jcamins_away slef: that's a new one.
17:40 slef Koha version:
17:41 slef let me retry this with master and make really sure I'm latest master
17:43 slef Koha version:
17:44 slef same problem in
17:44 slef does it work for anyone else on current master?
17:44 jcamins_away Sounds like a bug.
17:45 slef sure, but bug in koha or my setup
17:45 slef ?
17:45 jcamins_away I don't know, and I'm not at home anymore.
17:45 oleonard Hmm... I'm not seeing items either...
17:46 slef this smart-rules thing is with a clean database and all dataset options in the webinstaller ticket
17:46 slef ticked
17:47 slef [Thu Apr  5 18:43:30 2012] DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'lengthunit' in 'field list' at /home/coop/koha/unstable/src/admin/ line 132., referer: http://intranet.plantain.obscu[…]in/
17:47 slef so where should lengthunit have come from?
17:47 jcamins_away Well, that sounds kind of broken.
17:47 jcamins_away I think that's the follow-up patch to hourly that hasn't been pushed yet?
17:48 slef @query hourly
17:48 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6432 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Changes to C4::Circulation to support Hourly Circulation
17:48 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6438 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Changes to smart rules interface to support hourly/minutes loan times as well as daily
17:48 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3758 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Automatic Exchange Rates
17:48 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7899 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tdavis, NEW , Remove C4::Dates from C4::Circulation
17:48 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans
17:48 slef 5549?
17:48 jcamins_away Yes.
17:48 jcamins_away The one set to Needs Signoff.
17:49 slef looking now
17:49 jcamins_away I could be mistaken, but I thought there was a follow-up to the follow-up which added the unit to smart rules.
17:49 jcamins_away @query fine in days
17:49 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6891 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal
17:49 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Problem with grace period calculation and fine intervals >1
17:49 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6873 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Incremental fine system
17:49 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6775 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, shinoy.m, REOPENED , Allow reason to be specified when debarring
17:49 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3896 minor, P3, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Notices: Cant specify if a notice is available as a digest or in advance in the web interface
17:49 jcamins_away @query units
17:49 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5181 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Add js to convert units when units are changed on label or card template form
17:49 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5176 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , SIPServer Incorrectly Requires Login over Socket
17:49 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans
17:49 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6335 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Branch not set consistently in all SIP transactions
17:49 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Passed QA , Star ratings in the opac
17:50 slef @query lengthunit
17:50 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans
17:50 chris_n interesting; it looks like TT comments out embedded php
17:50 chris_n when rendering
17:50 jcamins_away chris_n: why are you embedding PHP?
17:51 jcamins_away chris_n: isn't the idea of embedding PHP that you don't use a templating engine?
17:51 chris_n because the IA reader is written in php and python (a horrible combination to be sure)
17:51 slef I can see lengthunit in ./installer/data/mysql/ and ./installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/hourlyloans.sql:1 but does get called on a clean installation?
17:52 jcamins_away slef: no. It should be in kohastructure.sql.
17:52 chris_n jcamins_away: and I'm trying to get away without having to write a perl interface for it
17:52 slef jcamins_away: let me git blame to see what needs a follow-up
17:52 slef 5549 again
17:53 slef commit 8cea8e5cc05075dc391194248d31a54586389601
17:53 jcamins_away chris_n: shouldn't the viewer be embedded via AJAX?
17:54 jcamins_away So you click the "view ebook" link, and it loads the PHP/Python-based viewer in a lightbox?
17:55 chris_n that's one possibility
17:55 jcamins_away Extra work? Why would I want to do that?
17:56 chris_n exactly
17:57 jcamins_away chris_n: it seems to me that just AJAXing the link into existence would be less work than real embedding.
17:57 slef c966aaf bug 5549: change to kohastructure.sql missing from commit
17:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans
17:58 jcamins_away slef: did you add it to again as well?
17:58 slef jcamins_away: oh no.
17:58 jcamins_away slef: you probably should, to fix all the installations that were done between when hourly was committed, and when the follow-up gets pushed.
18:00 jcamins_away slef: were you doing something with hierarchical authorities recently?
18:06 slef jcamins_away: will do.
18:07 slef jcamins_away: I don't remember. I think I was looking at hierarchical organisations more recently
18:10 jcamins_away Can anyone think of any situation where a link between two *established* authorities might not be bidirection?
18:12 slef Attached bug 5549 change-to-kohastructuresql-missing-from-c.patch
18:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans
18:12 slef jcamins_away: do you mean the same in both directions, or just that there is an inverse link?
18:13 jcamins_away I mean where there would not be an inverse link.
18:13 slef jcamins_away: what about when an authority references another earlier authority, but the referenced authority doesn't recognise the referencer?
18:14 jcamins_away If "Siberians" is a narrower term pointed to from "Cats" then "Cats" should be the broader term for "Siberians".
18:14 slef so say BlogAuth says that blog is a narrower term of TypeAuth's Book, but TypeAuth never mentions BlogAuth?
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18:14 jcamins_away That's the problem I'm trying to solve.
18:14 slef so only if you are going across authority sources, I think I mean
18:15 slef If both authority records are from the same source, they should be internally consistent AFAICT
18:15 jcamins_away If your authority file only stores narrower terms, but does it consistently, there's no reason broader terms couldn't be derived.
18:16 slef Yes but they would need deriving.
18:16 jcamins_away Right. That's a pretty big development.
18:16 slef OH YOU POS MYSQL
18:16 slef how does mysql not accept ""s yet?
18:17 * slef runs around with a pretty big fire axe
18:17 slef wahanui: mysql docs?
18:17 wahanui slef: i don't know
18:17 slef wahanui: mysql doc?
18:17 wahanui no idea, slef
18:17 slef wahanui: mysql?
18:17 wahanui i guess mysql is currently limited to 100MB of RAM.
18:17 slef wahanui: mysql docs is
18:17 wahanui OK, slef.
18:18 * slef fixes that patch he just wrote
18:19 slef # ANSI_QUOTES Treat “"” as an identifier quote character (like the “`” quote character) and not as a string quote character. You can still use “`” to quote identifiers with this mode enabled. With ANSI_QUOTES enabled, you cannot use double quotation marks to quote literal strings, because it is interpreted as an identifier.
18:19 slef sodding rubbish database this
18:21 jcamins_away Why do we need to quote column names at all?
18:21 slef because if they become a reserved word in a future version of mysql, then it'll break
18:22 slef or if they're currently a reserved word
18:22 slef and there are some pretty bizarre reserved words in there
18:22 jcamins_away Ah.
18:22 slef I've had that happen before.
18:23 jcamins_away So in other words, just removing backticks as recommended (as I understand it) by Postgres enthusiasts is a bad idea?
18:23 slef yep
18:24 slef ANSI says to use " but mysql only recognises those optionally (see above) and kohastructure.sql contains ""d literals like "0" too
18:24 oleonard db fight! Go!
18:24 slef nah, it's more a compatibility fight
18:24 slef there is no compatible option here
18:25 slef right, long-overdue coffee time here. works for me again now
18:25 jcamins_away So, use backticks, and change all the double quotes to single quotes and all the backquotes to double quotes at a future time.
18:25 slef but this means redoing this week's deployments.  QA needs help.
18:25 jcamins_away Where backquote=backtick
18:26 slef jcamins_away: yeah, that's probably the correct next move.
18:26 * jcamins_away nominates someone who cares to do that.
18:26 slef jcamins_away: mbalmer? ;)
18:27 slef jcamins_away: do you think we'd get far expecting all users to switch to ANSI_QUOTES mode on their mysql servers though?
18:27 jcamins_away slef: he seems like a good choice.
18:27 * chris_n gets out the popcorn and soda to watch the fight with oleonard
18:27 jcamins_away slef: why do you need to? Can't you do SET ANSI_QUOTES=1 at the beginning of kohastructure.sql?
18:28 slef jcamins_away: won't that break postgresql if it ever loads kohastructure.sql?
18:29 slef really it sucks that it's a global or session option, not a database one
18:29 slef I thought it was SET sql_mode = 'ANSI'; anyway.
18:29 slef right, even-longer-overdue coffee time here.
18:30 jcamins_away slef: no idea. I don't use Postgres.
18:30 jcamins_away You could use the MySQL specific comment-command-thingies.
18:30 jcamins_away chris_n: is it kettlecorn, by any chance?
18:30 jcamins_away slef: easy enough to set it on the session, one presumes.
18:30 jcamins_away lol
18:30 chris_n jcamins_away: its virtual pop-corn, so whatever you like ;-)
18:31 chris_n popcorn, even
18:31 jcamins_away chris_n: mmm. Kettlecorn.
18:31 wizzyrea wait who's fighting?
18:31 * wizzyrea looks around confused
18:31 chris_n wizzyrea: its a db fight
18:31 wizzyrea ohhh
18:31 jcamins_away There's a kettlecorn shop at Southstreet Seaport.
18:31 jcamins_away I've never been there, but I had a class with the owner, and she brought kettlecorn to share.
18:32 jcamins_away It was delicious.
18:32 chris_n now I'm craving kettlecorn
18:32 * jcamins_away too.
18:33 chris_n wizzyrea: and since no one ever wins those, there'll be lots of popcorn and sodas to consume
18:33 * wizzyrea gets out the sour brite worms
18:33 jcamins_away wizzyrea: you don't want to share our kettlecorn?
18:33 * wizzyrea prefers sour brite worms for spectator food
18:34 jcamins_away Heh.
18:34 chris_n are those the gummy variety?
18:35 wizzyrea yes, with the sour sugar on the outside
18:35 chris_n pass the worms please
18:35 * wizzyrea passes the worms to chris_n
18:35 chris_n ever served them on dirt cake?
18:35 wizzyrea no, but that would be awesome
18:35 wizzyrea spud would flip.
18:35 chris_n yeah, quite impressive and garners a lot of comments
18:36 * jcamins_away isn't sure he's ever had sour brite worms.
18:36 chris_n they're fantastic
18:36 wizzyrea do you like sour things?
18:36 wizzyrea they really are.
18:36 jcamins_away I do indeed.
18:36 wizzyrea then you would love them.
18:37 chris_n when the find their way into our house, the place looks like a hen-house you just dropped a batch of bugs into
18:37 jcamins_away lol
18:37 * chris_n briefly wonders if chickens would be good at handling software bugs
18:38 * wizzyrea giggles
18:40 jcamins_away Wait, is tomorrow a holiday?
18:40 jcamins_away Someone said something about that.
18:40 wizzyrea in nz I think it is
18:40 wizzyrea well, today
18:41 mbalmer yes, yes, to much MySQLism in Koha.  But we have time and we are patient.
18:44 chris_n hmm.... PHP::Interpreter
18:45 oleonard mbalmer: slef is trying to figure out is how to properly quote column names to ensure that future change in reserved words doesn't cause problems
18:46 mbalmer no one can predict the future.
18:46 oleonard Exactly the point.
18:59 mbalmer oleanard, seen my email about english title capitalization?
19:00 mbalmer I think in <h1></h1> your changes are not correct.
19:00 mbalmer English has title rules, you seem to ignore them.
19:01 oleonard mbalmer: You can see my response to a similar question on Bug 2780
19:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2780 minor, P3, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Capitalize strings consistently
19:02 jcamins_away mbalmer: also, don't forget that Koha is intended for libraries.
19:02 oleonard In short: I think a simpler rule is better
19:02 jcamins_away (and in libraries one only capitalizes the first word and proper names)
19:04 mbalmer well, if it is a conscious decision, all fine. (Though I tend to disagree)
19:04 jcamins_away You can always use a translation if you don't like the wording. I think most libraries do that, actually.
19:05 jcamins_away NZ thinks that color has a 'u', I think "cart" is a dumb name, etc.
19:05 mbalmer the proplem in not the wording, but the capitalization of titles, which is now wrong.
19:06 jcamins_away mbalmer: right, so use a translation to change it.
19:06 mbalmer ??
19:06 jcamins_away Easy peasy. :)
19:06 mbalmer You mean the main language should be some dialect of english that is incorrect?  That sounds a bit strange to me.
19:07 jcamins_away mbalmer: I mean I think it is correct, but if you don't like it, you are free to change it to match how you want it to look.
19:07 mbalmer well, it is not correct.
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19:09 francharb 0/ all
19:10 mbalmer at least we are consistent now.
19:10 wizzyrea logs?
19:10 wahanui it has been said that logs is
19:10 wizzyrea ah
19:12 mbalmer Sentence case they call it.  Ok, I agree.
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20:09 oleonard Bye #koha
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20:58 francharb bye
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21:26 Topic for #koha is now 3.6.4 and 3.4.8 and 3.2.11 Now Available || Koha Community Website - || General IRC meeting, 2 May 2012 at 2:00 UTC+0
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22:40 slef wahanui:
22:40 wahanui it has been said that is complicated and has been the source of much contention in the wake of KohaCon with BibLibre rewriting it for Solr/Lucene instead of Zebra support.
22:40 libsysguy anybody have any experience with hyper-v?
22:40 slef wahanui: C4::Search
22:40 wahanui somebody said C4::Search was calling C4::XSLT
22:40 slef libsysguy: probably someone does.
22:41 libsysguy I can't get the time to configure correctly on my linux boxes
22:41 libsysguy i have to set it to UTC because windows keeps trying to set it at boot for the linux bios
22:41 libsysguy and its causing...problems
22:42 slef oh this is an old chestnut, not specific to hyper-v I think
22:42 slef Windows likes the hardware clock on local time, everything else likes it on UTC
22:43 libsysguy yeah…ugh
22:47 bag libsysguy: we had one experience with hyper-v and then never used it again
22:47 bag actually had a hell of time trying to get into it
22:48 bag so we blew it up
22:48 libsysguy ugh…I have to use it...
22:48 libsysguy the school gets to use ALL windows products free
22:48 libsysguy so its not very fiscally responsible to use vmware
22:48 bag well that's you're problem right there ;)
22:49 libsysguy yeah I know…did you know I am the ONLY friggin person on campus that knows how to use linux
22:49 libsysguy its very lonely
22:49 bag heh - well there are groups for you…  like #koha :)
22:49 libsysguy part of the reason im leaving lol
22:49 bag leaving #koha?
22:49 bag nooooooo
22:49 libsysguy and yes…that is a big reason I hang out with you guys
22:49 libsysguy oh no
22:49 libsysguy i could never leave you guys
22:49 bag I know /me being :P
22:50 libsysguy you know…unless somebody offered me loads of cash
22:50 libsysguy then I might consider it :p
22:50 bag take the cash and develop on koha ;)
22:50 libsysguy haha exactly…take the cash to eat and then work on koha myself :p
23:06 slef Changes submitted for bug 6890
23:06 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6890 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Add 'delete reserve' to modification logging

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