Time Nick Message 00:14 jcamins_away BSES: yes. Turn on TraceAllSubfields in Searching. 00:15 rangi (thats in system preferences, under administration) 01:28 BSES found it! Thank you so much - I should read the entire manual shouldn't I? :) 04:05 libsysguy later #koha 04:10 mib_82cyha Hi 04:11 mib_82cyha Heloo 04:12 mib_82cyha I have an issue with koha, its always XML 04:12 mib_82cyha it always fails the package XML::RSS 04:15 Mahesh Hello Good Morning 04:36 mib_f4svf6 hello 04:36 mib_f4svf6 I have an issue with perl package XML::RSS 04:39 mib_f4svf6 hello 04:41 cait hi mib_f4svf6 04:41 cait hi #koha 04:52 mib_f4svf6 have an issue with perl package error XML::RSS while installing 04:53 mib_f4svf6 hi cait 04:54 mib_f4svf6 error message is Test Summary Report ------------------- t/1.0-generate.t (Wstat: 2048 Tests: 25 Failed: 8) Failed tests: 16-18, 21-25 Non-zero exit status: 8 t/2.0-generate.t (Wstat: 2048 Tests: 29 Failed: 8) Failed tests: 16-18, 24-28 Non-zero exit status: 8 t/test-generated-items.t (Wstat: 65280 Tests: 174 Failed: 0) 04:57 cait mib_f4svf6: which version are you trying to install? 04:59 mib_f4svf6 hi cait ;; koha version koha-3.06.04 and operating system open suse 12.1 04:59 cait hm I am not sure why the tests fail 04:59 cait it might be ok to continue 05:00 mib_f4svf6 all other packages are installed sucessfully 05:00 mib_f4svf6 and i had compile the packages 05:01 mib_f4svf6 while trying in browser its showing the package error 05:23 Oak kia ora #koha 05:23 Oak hello miss cait. 05:23 cait hi Oak 05:23 cait sorry mib_f4svf6 not sure how to fix it 05:26 Amit_Gupta heya bag 05:31 mib_f4svf6 Failed test 'Parsed ./t/generated/1.0-generated.xml' # at t/1.0-generate.t line 118. # got: ' 06:37 reiveune hello 06:42 alex_away hello! 06:47 cait bonjour alex_away 06:47 cait hi reiveune :) 06:47 reiveune hi cait :) 06:51 cait ok, have to run - bbl 07:04 Joubu hi 07:31 kf hi #koha 07:49 kf hi asaurat :) 07:50 asaurat hi !! :) 07:53 kf :) 08:05 rangi evening 08:05 kf evening :) 08:33 mbalmer paul_p++ 08:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #699 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7785: Remove unused function columns() which uses a MySQLism. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c8df08aea5eb173d7216cdfc9895fdd601a5f11> 08:36 rangi no longer worried about the logs? 08:46 rangi @wunder nzwn 08:46 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 PM NZST on April 05, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 08:46 rangi @wunder edinburgh,uk 08:46 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 4.0°C (9:45 AM BST on April 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 09:00 Oak i don't know if my last message went through? 09:00 Oak copy pasting: how important is it to set-up and use the Acquisition module? I mean, if I am skipping it altogether, can it come back and haunt me later? If yes then under what conditions? 09:00 rangi nope 09:00 rangi you can totally not use it, and at any time start to use it 09:01 Oak okay good. 09:01 Oak thank you! 09:01 rangi no worries 09:01 slef hi all 09:01 slef magnus_away: thanks for the signoff 09:01 rangi heya slef 09:01 slef eythian: failed QA? Really? :( 09:02 Oak hello slef 09:02 rangi heh, he replaced it with one that did all the dependencies, but yes he could have just followed up 09:05 eythian slef: well, I wasn't sure how long it'd take me to make a replacement, so I figured that I'd mark it that while I did one. 09:05 eythian turned out to be quick, so I added that. 09:05 eythian it would have been harder to make a follow up, as it's all generated by scripts anyway 09:06 rangi you not still at work eythian ? 09:07 slef eythian: I added only the ones necessary to make the build work. I thought you must have a reason for not listing everything. Something like a debian/HACKING might be useful. 09:07 rangi hmm that really didn't need not in there 09:07 eythian no, finishing up by eating my lunch as dinner (forgot it was a pizza day) and don't yet have a microwave to reheat it at home. 09:08 eythian slef: ah, no. The script walks through all the declared dependencies and adds them. If it shows them, they almost always should be added. 09:08 eythian you're right, a file explaining that would be good. 09:09 slef eythian: what script? 09:09 wahanui script is, like, here, take it, pretty it up, use it ;) 09:09 eythian slef: debian/update-control 09:09 slef eythian: doh, should have spotted that one 09:10 eythian it actually needs a bit of work when I get the chance, there are some deps not in debian that it freaks out about a bit 09:10 eythian (in sid, not in squeeze I think) 09:12 slef aaaaag bug 2780 mailbombed me 09:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2780 minor, P3, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Capitalize strings consistently 09:12 slef another drawback of lots-of-little-patches 09:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #699: SUCCESS in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/699/ 09:22 jenkins_koha marc: Bug 7785: Remove unused function columns() which uses a MySQLism. 09:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7785 trivial, P5 - low, ---, marc, Pushed to Master , Unnecessary MySQL-ism: C4::Members columns() 09:26 slef rangi: what's your view on running that git gc command that fredericd suggests? 09:28 rangi id have to test it doesn't do anything weird 09:28 rangi git gc is fine 09:29 rangi i need to read up on what --prune=now does 09:29 rangi probably when im more sober 09:29 rangi ahhh 09:29 rangi git gc does prune 2 weeks ago by default 09:30 rangi so yeah its harmless i thnk 09:34 slef rangi: paul_p just reported it's a memory and cpu hog 09:34 slef but if you can get through that, it looks fine 09:35 rangi well thats the --aggressive bit 09:35 rangi that works the machine hard 09:35 slef wahanui: irc log? 09:35 wahanui i think irc log is at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ 09:36 rangi logs? 09:36 wahanui logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 09:36 slef errr, which to use? 09:36 rangi same machine but nicer url 09:36 rangi its both my computer here at home 09:36 slef wahanui: forget irc log 09:36 wahanui slef: I forgot irc log 10:39 dpavlin_ rangi: awake again :-) 11:04 kf hi dpavlin_ :) 11:44 dpavlin_ Did you noticed that Samuel erased himself from Translation Manager role? http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Roles_for_3.10&diff=0&oldid=7303 11:46 Culiforge Could someone offer some assistance here, Fedora14, trying to get to the koha web setup, http://pastebin.com/gYAQPRdu 11:51 slef Culiforge: have you installed the package containing Authen::CAS::Client? 11:52 Culiforge slef: should have.. checking... 12:00 Culiforge slef: hmm, went to install and get [msg] no 'root/.cpanplus/custom-sources' dir, skipping custom sources 12:00 jcamins Culiforge: you shouldn't need any custom sources, I don't think. 12:00 Culiforge slef: wait,wait.. it's still going 12:01 Culiforge it just paused quite long.. maybe searching sources I think 12:05 Culiforge 'Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 288' 12:05 Culiforge that's from the browser 12:06 Culiforge I think it's good news that there's only on error now :) 12:06 Culiforge *one* 12:08 jcamins Culiforge: you're missing CGI::Session::something-or-other. 12:08 Culiforge one sec, checking on that.. 12:08 jcamins CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml 12:11 slef @query google books 12:11 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Pazpar2 integration 12:11 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6267 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , custom http user-agent in check-url.pl (fix for books.google.com 401 error) 12:11 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6035 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Mobile interface for OPAC 12:11 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7594 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Google Cover CSS suggestions 12:11 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7657 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Google and OpenLibrary image conflict 12:11 slef I'm taking bug 6267 12:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6267 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , custom http user-agent in check-url.pl (fix for books.google.com 401 error) 12:11 jcamins slef: go for it. 12:17 Culiforge jcamins: slef - muhahaha, thanks, that did the trick, I'm in. kudos and cookies to you both 12:20 slef Changes submitted for bug 6267 12:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6267 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , custom http user-agent in check-url.pl (fix for books.google.com 401 error) 12:24 * dpavlin_ happy -- first fully succeful database upgrade on plack with bug 7857 :-) 12:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7857 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , database upgrade fails with plack 12:26 kf :) 12:26 slef actually, why does check-url GET rather than HEAD? 12:29 slef not that it would have fixed bug 6267 12:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6267 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , custom http user-agent in check-url.pl (fix for books.google.com 401 error) 12:40 dpavlin_ bug 6701 changed syspreference timeout to ms, which is wrong. Can somebody sign-off it before string freeze? 12:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6701 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , language on timeout system preference is wrong 12:41 kf I can try to do it tonight 12:41 chris_n dpavlin_: I can do it in a few moments 12:41 chris_n hi kf 12:42 dpavlin_ kf++ chris_n++ :-) 12:43 kf :) 12:43 kf chris_n++ 12:52 libsysguy sometimes you're trolling your own catalog and you see a book that just makes you go WTF 12:52 libsysguy then you make the mistake of opening it and wish you hadn't 12:52 kf ? 12:53 libsysguy Tantra for two 12:53 kf lol 12:53 libsysguy …full of naked fat people 12:53 libsysguy WHYYYY 12:53 kf and that in a library, scandalous 12:54 libsysguy in a conservative library 12:54 libsysguy actually I found a book in reference one day that was "Teaching to a segregated classroom" 12:57 * chris_n wonders why we create biblioimages in rev 3.07.00.010 and again later in 3.07.00.025 12:57 jcamins chris_n: typo. 12:58 chris_n where? 12:58 jcamins kohastructure.sql. 12:58 chris_n the create table statements look identical 12:58 kf chris_n: there was a bug 12:59 kf wrong table name in some installations 12:59 kf because different name in kohastructure 12:59 chris_n I see a note to the effect that the table name is wrong 12:59 chris_n ahh, so if you performed a new install between the two revs you had an incorrect table name? 13:00 chris_n so why not a simple RENAME TABLE rather than drop and create 13:00 jcamins Right. 13:00 jcamins I don't recall. 13:00 chris_n or was the entire structure wrong? 13:01 jcamins I think there may have been an error in the table name and also in some of the column names. 13:01 jcamins And since there was no way for data to get into it, I decided to just use DROP and CREATE. 13:01 chris_n k, nasty business errors are 13:01 jcamins Yup. 13:07 vfernandes hi guys 13:07 vfernandes i can't upload patron images in bulk 13:08 vfernandes picture-upload.pl: Can't exec "unzip": No such file or directory 13:08 dpavlin_ vfernandes: apt-get install unzip 13:09 vfernandes omg... i thought that was some problem with the script and not a missing package 13:10 jcamins vfernandes: I think that feature may currently be broken. 13:10 jcamins Oh, that means you need to install unzip. 13:10 jcamins sudo apt-get install unzip 13:10 dpavlin_ Did you install from koha package? It has dependecy on unzip so it should work AFAIK 13:11 vfernandes i've installed the unzip but it gives another error 13:11 vfernandes Opening /tmp/KQIJOcb0oH/ failed! 13:13 jcamins vfernandes: unfortunately, I'm still pretty sure that feature doesn't work at the moment. 13:13 vfernandes damn :/ 13:13 vfernandes so how i can upload praton images in bulk? 13:14 jcamins vfernandes: I don't think you can. 13:14 jcamins vfernandes: I could be mistaken, I don't ever use that feature. 13:15 vfernandes ok, thanks jcamins 13:15 vfernandes another questions that kf had tried to help me 13:15 vfernandes i'm having some strange enconding problems with Koha 13:16 chris_n vfernandes: that feature has worked fine in the past, if it does not now, please file a bug 13:17 jcamins chris_n: it just broke recently. I think there is a bug. 13:17 vfernandes i'm using 3.2.6... not a recent version 13:17 jcamins Bug 7643. 13:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7643 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Can't upload and import zipped file of patron images 13:17 jcamins vfernandes: it worked fine in 3.2. 13:18 vfernandes ok i will check the logs... 13:20 vfernandes now you can try help me whit something.... i've having strange encoding problems with the MARC expanded views and cataloguing view 13:20 * chris_n dutifully reassigns 7643 to himself 13:20 vfernandes i'll give you a exemple 13:24 vfernandes http://koha.ulusiada.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=84701 13:24 vfernandes look at tags description... encoding probelm :/ 13:25 vfernandes i've checked in the code of opac-MARCDetail.pl and the tags are returned well from the database but when concating the string the encoding gets wrong 13:26 vfernandes $tag_data{tag} = $fields[$x_i]->tag() . ' ' . C4::Koha::display_marc_indicators($fields[$x_i]) . ' - ' . $tagslib->{ $fields[$x_i]->tag() }->{lib}; 13:26 jcamins vfernandes: did you try a newer version? 13:26 jcamins At the very least, you should be running 3.2.10, which is the last version of 3.2.x. 13:27 vfernandes jcamins the same database, the same scripts and templates in another system works fine 13:29 vfernandes same Koha version 13:31 vfernandes before that code line the tags and descriptions are correct. After concat encoding go bad :/ 13:31 jcamins vfernandes: in that case, it's something to do with your particular setup. 13:32 vfernandes locale are UTF8, same for Apache and for MySQL 13:32 vfernandes any idea of what it could be? 13:34 Culiforge does koha require a specific version of PDF::API2::Simple, the version I have doesn't want to install? 13:34 jcamins Culiforge: it's not required at all. 13:34 jcamins vfernandes: none, sorry. 13:34 jcamins Culiforge: it's used for patron cards, labels, and invoices, but you can continue on if installing it is not working now. 13:36 Culiforge jcamins: hmm, web installer is telling me it MUST be installed. both makefile and cpan tell me can't locate inc/module/install.pm 13:37 jcamins Hm. 13:37 jcamins It shouldn't. 13:37 Culiforge jcamins: big red letters too 13:38 jcamins Yeah, that's not so good. 13:38 Culiforge jcamins: otherwise.. when you say it's not needed... I tend to listen to you... 13:40 Culiforge jcamins: could it be a problem with the source file? 13:40 jcamins Culiforge: oh, I know what it is. You're missing MakeMaker. 13:41 vfernandes jcamins i've solve it :):) finally 13:42 Culiforge jcamins: is that the extutils-makemaker.noarch? 13:42 chris_n jcamins: have a look at bug 7902 13:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7902 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Adding Function to Check for Existence of Tables 13:44 Culiforge jcamins: says it's there.. unless there's another makemaker I need? 13:44 jcamins Culiforge: that's the one I was thinking of. 13:44 vfernandes it was the DBD::mysql perl package... 13:44 jcamins chris_n: brilliant! 13:45 vfernandes the version was 3.0... i've upgraded to 4.0 and works fine 13:45 chris_n sign-off and maybe paul_p will push it into 3.8 13:45 chris_n it makes no serious changes and gets rid of errors (not) 13:45 * chris_n goes off to sign-off on 6701 13:46 jcamins Culiforge: I'm sorry, you need Module::Install. 13:46 jcamins I got confused about which one was needed. 13:46 jcamins MakeMaker is automatic, Module::Install is not. 13:46 jcamins http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2010-March/023259.html 13:46 Culiforge jcamins: cool cool.. just found it myself, looking in the makefile script 13:55 asaurat did someone created a new basket recently on a master koha ? :p I can't do it anymore, dunno if there's a new bug or if I broke my DB (can happen =)) 13:58 chris_n dpavlin_: bug 6701 signed off 13:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6701 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Signed Off , language on timeout system preference is wrong 13:58 dpavlin_ chris_n++ 13:58 * chris_n actually feels a bit useful now ;-) 14:08 chris_n jcamins++ 14:08 chris_n paul_p around? 14:09 chris_n @later tell paul_p any chance we can slip bug 7902 into 3.8? 14:09 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 14:09 * chris_n hands jcamins a chocolate icecream sandwich 14:10 jcamins Mmm. 14:10 jcamins chris_n++ 14:19 slef has anybody here... seen my old friend bug 6267? 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6267 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , custom http user-agent in check-url.pl (fix for books.google.com 401 error) 14:36 jcamins Does anyone know of any reason why Koha doesn't use the popularity index anymore? 14:36 wizzyrea because there's no way to automatically populate the field in the record? 14:37 wizzyrea at least, that was my impression. 14:37 kf well... there would be ways... but we don't do it? 14:37 matts hey kf, just to let you know, i implemented your "less-confusing" way for BZ7412 :) 14:37 wizzyrea well, yea, "no way" meaning "there is no existent code to do it right now" 14:37 jcamins So, "because GRS-1 sucks" is the relevant answer here, too. 14:37 jcamins :) 14:38 jcamins Just checking. 14:38 jcamins It seems to me that it would be really useful. 14:38 kf yay :) 14:38 wizzyrea if you are inclined to fix it I'd test it for you :P 14:38 jcamins wizzyrea: we're waiting on gmcharlt's DOM indexing. :) 14:39 wizzyrea *nod* 14:40 jcamins I mean, it's not a completely simple fix, but it's not too bad. 14:41 chris_n anybody looked at chrome's "Audit" of various koha pages? 14:41 jcamins Whoah. Remove 1339 unused CSS rules. 14:41 * chris_n notes that it suggests that 2594 css rules are loaded but not used by the opac page 14:41 chris_n snap 14:41 wizzyrea not sure what you are referring to 14:41 chris_n among other performance suggestions 14:42 chris_n wizzyrea: in chrome 14:42 wizzyrea but where :p 14:42 chris_n right-click and select "inspect element" 14:42 chris_n :-) 14:42 chris_n then you'll see an "audit" button 14:42 wizzyrea oh, ha, you mean the "audits" tab 14:42 wizzyrea derp 14:42 chris_n go ahead.. 14:42 chris_n push it 14:42 * wizzyrea has morning blindness 14:43 wizzyrea some of that is because of opacusercss 14:43 * chris_n wonders if implementing those suggestions would noticeably improve performance 14:43 wizzyrea and opacuserjs 14:43 wahanui rumour has it opacuserjs is a syspref 14:43 oleonard Chrome only knows what is on that particular page. It doesn't know what CSS rules are used on other pages 14:43 jcamins wizzyrea: most of what we're not using is opac.css. 14:44 jcamins I wish there were a way to crawl the entire site, and see whether any CSS rules were not used *at all*. 14:44 chris_n oleonard: so does it make sense to break things up? 14:44 chris_n or is that a nightmare 14:44 oleonard Probably not, since loading the CSS once and caching it is probably faster 14:45 oleonard It would probably be better to consolidate the CSS even more so that we're not loading so many different ones on a single page 14:45 wizzyrea that "optimize the order of styles and scripts" is almost certainly caused by those sysprefs though 14:46 oleonard That one we should file a bug for 14:47 * chris_n had to find something to do while waiting for items to be separated from bibs 14:48 jcamins Hmmm... it should be pretty easy to move CSS and JS to a separate domain, I think. 14:49 oleonard jcamins: Why? 14:49 jcamins oleonard: that's one of the things Chrome says we should do. 14:49 * chris_n files a bug 14:49 jcamins I'm reflecting that would be pretty easy if it's worthwhile. 14:52 chris_n oleonard: I hope bug 7906 makes some sense :-P 14:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Optimize the order of styles and scripts 14:57 chris_n chrome's network tab is insightful as well 14:57 jcamins Any idea what data:text/css is? 14:59 chris_n ? 15:00 chris_n where are you seeing that? 15:00 jcamins chris_n: it's being loaded by the OPAC? 15:00 jcamins *. 15:00 jcamins In the network tab. 15:01 chris_n style sheets? 15:01 jcamins <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" href="data:text/css,"> 15:01 chris_n ahh 15:01 chris_n not sure 15:02 jcamins I'm not sure where it's coming from, either. 15:02 oleonard What page? I don't see it 15:03 jcamins Main OPAC page. 15:04 oleonard Do you have something in OPACUserCSS? 15:05 oleonard I still don't see it 15:05 reiveune1 bye 15:05 jcamins Weird... I found the line right before, and the line right after it in doc-head-close.inc. 15:05 chris_n bye 15:05 jcamins They're consecutive. 15:07 jcamins And the line doesn't show up in the source. Just in the inspector. 15:08 jcamins Oh, something to do with javascript. 15:09 chris_n to enable xslt in opac I should just have to enter 'default' for OPACXSLT*Display, right? 15:10 * chris_n feels like he's in the dark ages being back on 3.2 15:10 oleonard Mammoth OPAC patch for Bug 2780 submitted. 15:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2780 minor, P3, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Capitalize strings consistently 15:13 wizzyrea oh wow no lie, that is mammoth 15:14 oleonard And I'm sure I've missed things 15:15 chris_n nice 15:15 kf oleonard: it will still be a looooo tmore consistent than we have ever been before :) 15:15 kf oh 15:16 kf and translators are going to hate you :P 15:16 oleonard Oh well :) 15:17 kf first ... later they will like it :) 15:17 wizzyrea are we qa'ing these by reading the patches + making sure they apply? 15:17 wizzyrea curious how others did it 15:18 kf hm 15:18 kf should we have a general bug t clean the logs? 15:18 kf there are lots and lots and lots of entries inmy logs everytime I look 15:19 kf I think we activated warnings... code was ok... and then we added new thigns that made it complain again 15:19 oleonard wizzyrea: I think it would be too difficult to try to view each page. 15:19 chris_n kf: I think there may be a bug for that 15:19 wizzyrea there ought to be a cron to archive and truncate actionitems 15:19 chris_n trouble is, I don't remember which 15:19 wizzyrea actionlogs 15:19 kf mentioning it... *hint* in hope someone goes and fixes some of those 15:19 wizzyrea . sheesh. Actionitems 15:19 * chris_n hands wizzyrea a new keyboard 15:20 * wizzyrea has succumbed to the buzzword mentality SAVE ME 15:20 jcamins kf: aren't you talking about the Apache log? 15:20 kf koha-error-logs 15:20 chris_n oohh, rounded corners 15:20 chris_n oleonard++ 15:20 kf and the opac one... but I hardly go there.. mostly looking at the intranet log 15:20 * wizzyrea ahems 15:20 kf and it's crowded 15:20 kf wizzyrea++ 15:20 kf chris_n fast! 15:20 wizzyrea lol :) 15:20 wizzyrea j/k 15:20 wizzyrea well kinda 15:20 wizzyrea depends on which rounded corners >.> 15:21 * wizzyrea would roundify lots of stuff. 15:21 * chris_n thinks his librarians will be lost after the upgrade :-) 15:22 kf chris_n: they will love it :) 15:22 kf chris_n: we upgraded all our librraies from 3.2.2 to 3.6.3 very recently 15:22 kf and they like it a lot :) 15:22 chris_n I can only imagine 15:22 chris_n bugs are crawling out of 3.2.x like crazy around here 15:23 chris_n which have been fixed 15:25 chris_n so which xslt stylesheet is the "default"? 15:28 kf the one in your language folder 15:28 kf prog/en/xslt/... 15:28 kf :) 15:29 kf hm more precise perhaps the one that comes with Koha - because you could add your own into that folder and give the patch now :) which is pretty cool 15:29 chris_n well, there were [sic] more than one ;-) 15:29 chris_n but I figured it out 15:29 kf oh ok 15:29 * chris_n needs more caffine 15:29 * kf should go home :) 15:30 * chris_n works on integrating a "reader" into his koha installation 15:33 alex_a bye ! 15:45 chris_n wow, are references to *.tmpl files still used? 15:45 * chris_n eyeballs line 32 in opac-main.pl 15:45 jcamins chris_n: they're translated to .tt in C4. 15:45 chris_n why not just fix it all? 15:46 chris_n seems asking for problems 15:46 chris_n so when I write new pages, I have to observe that syntax? 15:47 jcamins chris_n: new pages should use .tt. 15:48 chris_n we need to fix the old ones imho 15:48 chris_n half-baked things are asking for trouble 16:11 slef @quote add <chris_n> half-baked things are asking for trouble 16:11 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. Quote #197 added. 16:11 slef @quote random 16:11 huginn slef: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010) 16:16 julian_m /ping 16:17 kf bye all and happy easter :) 16:17 uwe Hello, i got koha installed now; and on the web i can open the page in the browser but it gets me to System Maintenance page. im not sure what i did wrong, the documentation was a bit scattered and i might have done something wrong ... 16:17 slef bye kf you slacker :) 16:17 kf ? 16:17 slef uwe: log into the intranet interface 16:17 kf slacker? 16:17 slef kf: oh just that I'll be here at least one day of the next 4 16:18 uwe im using the IP; im not sure what you mean 16:18 kf kf won't but cait will be too ;) 16:19 oleonard uwe: You're seeing the public interface, the OPAC. You need to navigate to the staff client to run the web installer 16:19 slef uwe: stick :8080 on the end, probably 16:19 slef (of the IP) 16:20 uwe yep ! 16:21 uwe now i got in :) 16:25 slef @query logging 16:25 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2394 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , canreservefromotherbranches preference not working 16:25 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2821 minor, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Auth.pm gets too much information when authenticating staff user 16:25 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5371 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Back-button in OPAC shows previous user's details, after LOGOUT 16:25 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3296 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, NEW , replace sessionlog with Perl4Log implementation 16:25 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6890 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Add 'delete reserve' to modification logging 16:38 libsysguy @quote random 16:38 huginn libsysguy: Quote #143: "rhcl: Blame the C coders; if it was written in Ada it would have exception handling." (added by wizzyrea at 09:51 PM, June 28, 2011) 16:38 wizzyrea @quote random 16:38 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #63: "<jwagner> But no one expects the Spammish Inquisition!" (added by jdavidb at 01:50 PM, March 01, 2010) 16:38 wizzyrea lol! 16:39 wizzyrea that's a great one 16:45 oleonard Thanks for the signoff wizzyrea 16:51 chris_n lol 16:52 wizzyrea yw 17:25 slef damn I think I've broken my dev install 17:25 slef it says "No physical items for this record" when there are two items attached 17:27 * slef throws the database on the floor in disgust 17:33 sjeffery You are thinking of it the wrong way...you simply found a new bug:) 17:39 jcamins_away slef: there was an updatedatabase issue. 17:39 jcamins_away slef: check your version. It probably says 30799 instead of 30700. 17:39 jcamins_away Change it to 30700, go through updatedatabase, and it will resume working. 17:39 wahanui jcamins_away: that doesn't look right 17:40 slef now with a clean database, I can't add any rules http://intranet.plantain.obscura.localnet/cgi-bin/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl in the first table. I click Add and they don't show up. 17:40 jcamins_away slef: that's a new one. 17:40 slef Koha version: 3.07.00.044 17:41 slef let me retry this with master and make really sure I'm latest master 17:43 slef Koha version: 3.07.00.044 17:44 slef same problem in smart-rules.pl 17:44 slef does it work for anyone else on current master? 17:44 jcamins_away Sounds like a bug. 17:45 slef sure, but bug in koha or my setup 17:45 slef ? 17:45 jcamins_away I don't know, and I'm not at home anymore. 17:45 oleonard Hmm... I'm not seeing items either... 17:46 slef this smart-rules thing is with a clean database and all dataset options in the webinstaller ticket 17:46 slef ticked 17:47 slef [Thu Apr 5 18:43:30 2012] smart-rules.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'lengthunit' in 'field list' at /home/coop/koha/unstable/src/admin/smart-rules.pl line 132., referer: http://intranet.plantain.obscura.localnet/cgi-bin/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl 17:47 slef so where should lengthunit have come from? 17:47 jcamins_away Well, that sounds kind of broken. 17:47 jcamins_away I think that's the follow-up patch to hourly that hasn't been pushed yet? 17:48 slef @query hourly 17:48 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6432 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Changes to C4::Circulation to support Hourly Circulation 17:48 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6438 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Changes to smart rules interface to support hourly/minutes loan times as well as daily 17:48 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3758 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Automatic Exchange Rates 17:48 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7899 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tdavis, NEW , Remove C4::Dates from C4::Circulation 17:48 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans 17:48 slef 5549? 17:48 jcamins_away Yes. 17:48 jcamins_away The one set to Needs Signoff. 17:49 slef looking now 17:49 jcamins_away I could be mistaken, but I thought there was a follow-up to the follow-up which added the unit to smart rules. 17:49 jcamins_away @query fine in days 17:49 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6891 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal 17:49 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Problem with grace period calculation and fine intervals >1 17:49 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6873 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Incremental fine system 17:49 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6775 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, shinoy.m, REOPENED , Allow reason to be specified when debarring 17:49 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3896 minor, P3, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Notices: Cant specify if a notice is available as a digest or in advance in the web interface 17:49 jcamins_away @query units 17:49 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5181 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Add js to convert units when units are changed on label or card template form 17:49 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5176 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , SIPServer Incorrectly Requires Login over Socket 17:49 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans 17:49 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6335 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Branch not set consistently in all SIP transactions 17:49 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Passed QA , Star ratings in the opac 17:50 slef @query lengthunit 17:50 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans 17:50 chris_n interesting; it looks like TT comments out embedded php 17:50 chris_n when rendering 17:50 jcamins_away chris_n: why are you embedding PHP? 17:51 jcamins_away chris_n: isn't the idea of embedding PHP that you don't use a templating engine? 17:51 chris_n because the IA reader is written in php and python (a horrible combination to be sure) 17:51 slef I can see lengthunit in ./installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl:5022 and ./installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/hourlyloans.sql:1 but does updatedatabase.pl get called on a clean installation? 17:52 jcamins_away slef: no. It should be in kohastructure.sql. 17:52 chris_n jcamins_away: and I'm trying to get away without having to write a perl interface for it 17:52 slef jcamins_away: let me git blame to see what needs a follow-up 17:52 slef 5549 again 17:53 slef commit 8cea8e5cc05075dc391194248d31a54586389601 17:53 jcamins_away chris_n: shouldn't the viewer be embedded via AJAX? 17:54 jcamins_away So you click the "view ebook" link, and it loads the PHP/Python-based viewer in a lightbox? 17:55 chris_n that's one possibility 17:55 jcamins_away Extra work? Why would I want to do that? 17:56 chris_n exactly 17:57 jcamins_away chris_n: it seems to me that just AJAXing the link into existence would be less work than real embedding. 17:57 slef c966aaf bug 5549: change to kohastructure.sql missing from commit 17:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans 17:58 jcamins_away slef: did you add it to updatedatabase.pl again as well? 17:58 slef jcamins_away: oh no. 17:58 jcamins_away slef: you probably should, to fix all the installations that were done between when hourly was committed, and when the follow-up gets pushed. 18:00 jcamins_away slef: were you doing something with hierarchical authorities recently? 18:06 slef jcamins_away: will do. 18:07 slef jcamins_away: I don't remember. I think I was looking at hierarchical organisations more recently 18:10 jcamins_away Can anyone think of any situation where a link between two *established* authorities might not be bidirection? 18:12 slef Attached bug 5549 change-to-kohastructuresql-missing-from-c.patch 18:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans 18:12 slef jcamins_away: do you mean the same in both directions, or just that there is an inverse link? 18:13 jcamins_away I mean where there would not be an inverse link. 18:13 slef jcamins_away: what about when an authority references another earlier authority, but the referenced authority doesn't recognise the referencer? 18:14 jcamins_away If "Siberians" is a narrower term pointed to from "Cats" then "Cats" should be the broader term for "Siberians". 18:14 slef so say BlogAuth says that blog is a narrower term of TypeAuth's Book, but TypeAuth never mentions BlogAuth? 18:14 jcamins_away That's the problem I'm trying to solve. 18:14 slef so only if you are going across authority sources, I think I mean 18:15 slef If both authority records are from the same source, they should be internally consistent AFAICT 18:15 jcamins_away If your authority file only stores narrower terms, but does it consistently, there's no reason broader terms couldn't be derived. 18:16 slef Yes but they would need deriving. 18:16 jcamins_away Right. That's a pretty big development. 18:16 slef OH YOU POS MYSQL 18:16 slef how does mysql not accept ""s yet? 18:17 * slef runs around with a pretty big fire axe 18:17 slef wahanui: mysql docs? 18:17 wahanui slef: i don't know 18:17 slef wahanui: mysql doc? 18:17 wahanui no idea, slef 18:17 slef wahanui: mysql? 18:17 wahanui i guess mysql is currently limited to 100MB of RAM. 18:17 slef wahanui: mysql docs is http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/ 18:17 wahanui OK, slef. 18:18 * slef fixes that patch he just wrote 18:19 slef # ANSI_QUOTES Treat “"†as an identifier quote character (like the “`†quote character) and not as a string quote character. You can still use “`†to quote identifiers with this mode enabled. With ANSI_QUOTES enabled, you cannot use double quotation marks to quote literal strings, because it is interpreted as an identifier. 18:19 slef sodding rubbish database this 18:21 jcamins_away Why do we need to quote column names at all? 18:21 slef because if they become a reserved word in a future version of mysql, then it'll break 18:22 slef or if they're currently a reserved word 18:22 slef and there are some pretty bizarre reserved words in there 18:22 jcamins_away Ah. 18:22 slef I've had that happen before. 18:23 jcamins_away So in other words, just removing backticks as recommended (as I understand it) by Postgres enthusiasts is a bad idea? 18:23 slef yep 18:24 slef ANSI says to use " but mysql only recognises those optionally (see above) and kohastructure.sql contains ""d literals like "0" too 18:24 oleonard db fight! Go! 18:24 slef nah, it's more a compatibility fight 18:24 slef there is no compatible option here 18:25 slef right, long-overdue coffee time here. smart-rules.pl works for me again now 18:25 jcamins_away So, use backticks, and change all the double quotes to single quotes and all the backquotes to double quotes at a future time. 18:25 slef but this means redoing this week's deployments. QA needs help. 18:25 jcamins_away Where backquote=backtick 18:26 slef jcamins_away: yeah, that's probably the correct next move. 18:26 * jcamins_away nominates someone who cares to do that. 18:26 slef jcamins_away: mbalmer? ;) 18:27 slef jcamins_away: do you think we'd get far expecting all users to switch to ANSI_QUOTES mode on their mysql servers though? 18:27 jcamins_away slef: he seems like a good choice. 18:27 * chris_n gets out the popcorn and soda to watch the fight with oleonard 18:27 jcamins_away slef: why do you need to? Can't you do SET ANSI_QUOTES=1 at the beginning of kohastructure.sql? 18:28 slef jcamins_away: won't that break postgresql if it ever loads kohastructure.sql? 18:29 slef really it sucks that it's a global or session option, not a database one 18:29 slef I thought it was SET sql_mode = 'ANSI'; anyway. 18:29 slef right, even-longer-overdue coffee time here. 18:30 jcamins_away slef: no idea. I don't use Postgres. 18:30 jcamins_away You could use the MySQL specific comment-command-thingies. 18:30 jcamins_away chris_n: is it kettlecorn, by any chance? 18:30 jcamins_away slef: easy enough to set it on the session, one presumes. 18:30 jcamins_away lol 18:30 chris_n jcamins_away: its virtual pop-corn, so whatever you like ;-) 18:31 chris_n popcorn, even 18:31 jcamins_away chris_n: mmm. Kettlecorn. 18:31 wizzyrea wait who's fighting? 18:31 * wizzyrea looks around confused 18:31 chris_n wizzyrea: its a db fight 18:31 wizzyrea ohhh 18:31 jcamins_away There's a kettlecorn shop at Southstreet Seaport. 18:31 jcamins_away I've never been there, but I had a class with the owner, and she brought kettlecorn to share. 18:32 jcamins_away It was delicious. 18:32 chris_n now I'm craving kettlecorn 18:32 * jcamins_away too. 18:33 chris_n wizzyrea: and since no one ever wins those, there'll be lots of popcorn and sodas to consume 18:33 * wizzyrea gets out the sour brite worms 18:33 jcamins_away wizzyrea: you don't want to share our kettlecorn? 18:33 * wizzyrea prefers sour brite worms for spectator food 18:34 jcamins_away Heh. 18:34 chris_n are those the gummy variety? 18:35 wizzyrea yes, with the sour sugar on the outside 18:35 chris_n pass the worms please 18:35 * wizzyrea passes the worms to chris_n 18:35 chris_n ever served them on dirt cake? 18:35 wizzyrea no, but that would be awesome 18:35 wizzyrea spud would flip. 18:35 chris_n yeah, quite impressive and garners a lot of comments 18:36 * jcamins_away isn't sure he's ever had sour brite worms. 18:36 chris_n they're fantastic 18:36 wizzyrea do you like sour things? 18:36 wizzyrea they really are. 18:36 jcamins_away I do indeed. 18:36 wizzyrea then you would love them. 18:37 chris_n when the find their way into our house, the place looks like a hen-house you just dropped a batch of bugs into 18:37 jcamins_away lol 18:37 * chris_n briefly wonders if chickens would be good at handling software bugs 18:38 * wizzyrea giggles 18:40 jcamins_away Wait, is tomorrow a holiday? 18:40 jcamins_away Someone said something about that. 18:40 wizzyrea in nz I think it is 18:40 wizzyrea well, today 18:41 mbalmer yes, yes, to much MySQLism in Koha. But we have time and we are patient. 18:44 chris_n hmm.... PHP::Interpreter 18:45 oleonard mbalmer: slef is trying to figure out is how to properly quote column names to ensure that future change in reserved words doesn't cause problems 18:46 mbalmer no one can predict the future. 18:46 oleonard Exactly the point. 18:59 mbalmer oleanard, seen my email about english title capitalization? 19:00 mbalmer I think in <h1></h1> your changes are not correct. 19:00 mbalmer English has title rules, you seem to ignore them. 19:01 oleonard mbalmer: You can see my response to a similar question on Bug 2780 19:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2780 minor, P3, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Capitalize strings consistently 19:02 jcamins_away mbalmer: also, don't forget that Koha is intended for libraries. 19:02 oleonard In short: I think a simpler rule is better 19:02 jcamins_away (and in libraries one only capitalizes the first word and proper names) 19:04 mbalmer well, if it is a conscious decision, all fine. (Though I tend to disagree) 19:04 jcamins_away You can always use a translation if you don't like the wording. I think most libraries do that, actually. 19:05 jcamins_away NZ thinks that color has a 'u', I think "cart" is a dumb name, etc. 19:05 mbalmer the proplem in not the wording, but the capitalization of titles, which is now wrong. 19:06 jcamins_away mbalmer: right, so use a translation to change it. 19:06 mbalmer ?? 19:06 jcamins_away Easy peasy. :) 19:06 mbalmer You mean the main language should be some dialect of english that is incorrect? That sounds a bit strange to me. 19:07 jcamins_away mbalmer: I mean I think it is correct, but if you don't like it, you are free to change it to match how you want it to look. 19:07 mbalmer well, it is not correct. 19:09 francharb 0/ all 19:10 mbalmer at least we are consistent now. 19:10 wizzyrea logs? 19:10 wahanui it has been said that logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 19:10 wizzyrea ah 19:12 mbalmer Sentence case they call it. Ok, I agree. 20:09 oleonard Bye #koha 20:58 francharb bye 22:40 slef wahanui: Search.pm? 22:40 wahanui it has been said that Search.pm is complicated and has been the source of much contention in the wake of KohaCon with BibLibre rewriting it for Solr/Lucene instead of Zebra support. 22:40 libsysguy anybody have any experience with hyper-v? 22:40 slef wahanui: C4::Search 22:40 wahanui somebody said C4::Search was calling C4::XSLT 22:40 slef libsysguy: probably someone does. 22:41 libsysguy I can't get the time to configure correctly on my linux boxes 22:41 libsysguy i have to set it to UTC because windows keeps trying to set it at boot for the linux bios 22:41 libsysguy and its causing...problems 22:42 slef oh this is an old chestnut, not specific to hyper-v I think 22:42 slef Windows likes the hardware clock on local time, everything else likes it on UTC 22:43 libsysguy yeah…ugh 22:47 bag libsysguy: we had one experience with hyper-v and then never used it again 22:47 bag actually had a hell of time trying to get into it 22:48 bag so we blew it up 22:48 libsysguy ugh…I have to use it... 22:48 libsysguy the school gets to use ALL windows products free 22:48 libsysguy so its not very fiscally responsible to use vmware 22:48 bag well that's you're problem right there ;) 22:49 libsysguy yeah I know…did you know I am the ONLY friggin person on campus that knows how to use linux 22:49 libsysguy its very lonely 22:49 bag heh - well there are groups for you… like #koha :) 22:49 libsysguy part of the reason im leaving lol 22:49 bag leaving #koha? 22:49 bag nooooooo 22:49 libsysguy and yes…that is a big reason I hang out with you guys 22:49 libsysguy oh no 22:49 libsysguy i could never leave you guys 22:49 bag I know /me being :P 22:50 libsysguy you know…unless somebody offered me loads of cash 22:50 libsysguy then I might consider it :p 22:50 bag take the cash and develop on koha ;) 22:50 libsysguy haha exactly…take the cash to eat and then work on koha myself :p 23:06 slef Changes submitted for bug 6890 23:06 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6890 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Add 'delete reserve' to modification logging