IRC log for #koha, 2012-03-21

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00:10 * slef falls asleep, but thanks rangi
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00:52 rangi w00t
00:52 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]lastBuild/console
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00:55 druthb o/
00:56 rangi hey druthb
00:56 druthb hi, rangi!  *hug*
00:58 rangi hows the choir going?
00:58 druthb wonderfully!  I had something really amazing happen monday before last during our tea break.
00:59 rangi oh?
00:59 druthb They announced that board elections are coming up, and they need at least five, and up to eleven, to join the board.  So I was thinking over throwing my hat in the ring, and two current board members came up and asked me if I'd accept a nomination from them.
01:00 rangi excellent :)
01:00 druthb To the kid who always got picked last, and who has *never* been the go-to, this was just huge.  Took all I had not to cry like a lil girl.
01:00 rangi heh :)
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01:01 druthb Kind of emboldend me a lil, I, I joined PerlMonks, and am one point away from no longer being an Initiate.
01:01 rangi oohh well done
01:01 druthb answered a couple of questions, helped on one...and racked up 19 XP.
01:02 rangi sweet
01:02 rangi we should start
01:02 rangi we already have actual monks :)
01:02 * druthb puts on her robes.
01:03 druthb The only thing is, there, they've decided against having gender-centric terms for us fems.  All the titles are masculine forms.
01:03 * druthb would be a Koha nun.  ;-)
01:06 * druthb chants "pie jesu domine", and whacks herself on the forehead with a flat board.
01:08 rangi heh
01:08 ibeardslee harder
01:09 druthb :P
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02:04 ibeardslee rangi: would you have anyone in mind to back you up for those sessions?
02:05 rangi maybe chrish .. maybe kristina .. dont want to volunteer ppl without checking tho
02:05 ibeardslee eg in the event asking for hot chips on the Friday night goes wrong ;)
02:06 rangi heh, i think chrish or robin
02:09 ibeardslee I think eythian would probably usually be out on the Saturday.
02:09 rangi yup
02:10 ibeardslee anyway email inbound
02:10 rangi ta
02:11 rangi !jenkins build Master_Packages now
02:11 jenkins_koha rangi: job Master_Packages build scheduled now
02:17 cjh_ rangi: is this regarding the minion training?
02:18 cjh_ rangi: I was going to volunteer but assumed you wouldnt need help, id be more than happy to come in on a saturday.
02:18 rangi its more for backup
02:18 rangi if you could cover saturdays if i was sick etc .. and eythian_ cover tuesday evening ..
02:18 rangi then that would work
02:19 cjh_ im also available tues evening after 4:30, but whatever works :)
02:19 cjh_ although eythian would be in office anyway.
02:19 rangi cool yep
02:19 rangi sweet
02:20 eythian_ what am I volunteering for?
02:20 rangi heh
02:20 ibeardslee Nick Smith's portfolios
02:20 eythian_ eh?
02:20 rangi some of the academy kids expressed an interest in doing some ongoing work .. so a couple of hours every tuesday
02:20 eythian_ ah right
02:21 rangi we picked tuesday, cos thast when perlmongers is
02:21 rangi so if they want on those nights they can stay on for that too
02:21 eythian_bucklame makes sense. I'm also able to be free on Tuesdays if need be (unlike last year when training was that night so I took off a bit earlier)
02:21 rangi sweet
02:22 ibeardslee sounds like we have something happening .. now to get people interested
03:09 rangi https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamai[…]_1980896496_n.jpg
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05:07 Oak kia ora #koha
05:07 Oak i need help setting up Koha
05:07 Oak on Debian, I have followed this:[…]on_Debian_Squeeze and now I am at the login prompt of the web installer, and it is asking for username password
05:08 Oak what username and password?
05:08 wahanui i heard username and password was correct
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05:28 Oak found it
05:36 Oak anyone around?
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05:54 Oak cait!
05:54 Oak i need bit of help
05:54 cait Happy birthday!
05:54 Oak oh well. thanks.
05:55 cait wrong day again?
05:55 Oak nope
05:55 cait you don't like birthdays?
05:55 Oak nope
05:55 Oak well, not mine.
05:56 Oak anyway, the help part.
05:57 Oak Koha on Debian is installed and works fine. Now how do I configure the OPAC? entering IP address of the pc in my local network just returns: "It works! This is the default web page for this server."
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05:58 Oak_ did you get the help question? or was I disconnected?
05:58 Oak_ Koha on Debian is installed and works fine. Now how do I configure the OPAC? entering IP address of the pc in my local network just returns: "It works! This is the default web page for this server."
05:58 cait hm
05:58 cait I thin kyou have to deactivate sth
05:59 cait I am trying to remember
05:59 cait which manual did you use for installation?
05:59 Oak_ here is my /etc/apache2/sites-available/... file:
05:59 Oak_[…]jeJCai01Ulq_XZWNg
06:00 Oak_ crap
06:00 Oak_ this one:​/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze
06:00 Oak_ what's "sth"?
06:09 cait something
06:09 cait :)
06:09 cait oh
06:09 cait let me check
06:10 cait ah you used the packages
06:10 Oak yes
06:11 Oak all i did is this:
06:12 cait hm
06:12 cait I am perhaps the wrong person to ask
06:12 cait I think you have to deactivate the standard page from apache perhaps
06:12 cait but I don't see in the manuals how to do that
06:12 Oak sudo a2dissite default  ? http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]AC-td4513503.html
06:14 Oak should I run that command and see what happens?
06:14 cait http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]AC-td4513503.html
06:14 cait ah
06:14 cait you found the same :)
06:14 cait I think what liz wrote ther
06:14 Oak cool, let me try
06:15 Oak \o/
06:15 Oak worke
06:15 Oak d
06:15 Oak thank you cait! :)
06:18 Oak now me go.
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06:49 skk i have a quick question we have koha 3.04.07 can we straight upgrade to 3.06.02 with cofigure make and make upgrade commands or we need to do anything else
06:52 cait 3.4 to 3.6 should not reqiure running any additional scripts or something, if you meant that
06:52 cait there might be some new dependencies noted in the release notes
06:53 skk those if it ask i will download but my worry was with regular upgrade commands anything else as well need to be done hence before doing this i wanted to verify
06:56 cait it's recommended to dump your database and keep it safe somewhere before doing an update
06:56 rangi why 3.6.2 not 3.6.4 ?
06:56 cait and ideally run through the process on a test server first
06:57 skk i was thinking i should go from 3.6.2 then to 3.6.4 but if i can go straight and if it wont create any problems then will use 3.6.4
06:58 rangi well 3.6.2 was the 3rd 3.6.x release, theres nothing special about it .. no reason to go to it first
06:59 skk thanks a lot!
06:59 skk will try straight upgrade from 3.04.07 to 3.06.04
07:00 cait have fun :)
07:04 skk we were getting error while running reports in 3.4.7 undefined subroutine &C4::Reports::Guided::themelanguage called at /usr/share/ko ha/lib/C4/Reports/ line 714 . hence we wanted to check if this error can be rectified in new version
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07:14 rangi dorkland in the house
07:21 magnuse kia ora eythian_bucklame, rangi and #koha!
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07:28 alex_a bonjour
07:28 magnuse bonjour l'hackfest!
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07:30 mveron Bonjour, #koha @ Marseille and worldwide
07:31 magnuse hiya mveron
07:35 mveron magnuse: I saw in the newsletter the note about Kohaat the Oslo and Akershus University College of Applied Sciences
07:35 mveron It is a good story to tell
07:35 magnuse yeah, they rock! :-)
07:35 mveron Do yo have more information about? - Would like to write something on our (future) Website
07:37 magnuse depends on what you want to know
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07:37 mveron Just "soft news", something I could use in a blog or in an article
07:38 magnuse well, i don't really have that much more detail than what was in the newsletter
07:40 magnuse yay for 5549 passing qa!
07:43 mveron magnuse: OK, thanks. Will take the info as is.
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07:57 map hi
07:57 wahanui bonjour, map
07:57 rangi hmm cait kicked out the plug at biblibre
07:58 map how can i create bard code for koha
07:58 map ?
07:58 map while am trying to create am not getting proper bar codes for my books
07:58 map can anyone help me ?
08:00 map i am new in koha
08:12 mveron map: I'm quite new as well. Maybe: Administration->System Preferences->Cataloging preferences->Record Structure->autoBarcode
08:12 mveron and: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]ion.html#catprefs autoBarcode
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08:21 rangi[…]1/squashing-bugs/
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08:22 eythian_bucklame rangi: nightline at 10.30 is apparently having a look inside the Chch library.
08:23 rangi oh, ill keep an eye out
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08:34 sophie_m hi #koha
08:34 cait hi sophie_m :)
08:35 sophie_m :-)
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08:50 Joubu hi all
08:52 cait hi Joubu
08:53 map hai any one there
08:53 map sorry
08:53 map i was not here
09:04 paul_p hello #koha
09:06 cait hello paul_p :)
09:06 map hai
09:07 map i am new in koha
09:07 wahanui i already had it that way, map.
09:07 cait hi map
09:07 cait welcome to #koha
09:07 map i hai cati
09:07 map sorry
09:07 map cait
09:07 map how r u
09:07 map ?
09:07 map actually i am trying to do the barcode field for my koha
09:08 map but am not able to do it properly
09:08 map can u help me for that
09:08 cait I am sorry, not sure i understand your questions
09:08 cait what are you trying to do? exactly?
09:08 cait you have a working koha installation?
09:08 map yah
09:08 cait which version of koha did you install?
09:08 map koha is working
09:09 map and now we are doing data entry for adding books
09:09 map 3.6
09:09 map i think not sure
09:10 map only bar coding is the problem for me now
09:10 cait ok
09:10 cait so do you want to use preprinted barcodes? or print barcodes with koha?
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09:10 map i want to print barcode with koha
09:11 map i like to get accession number as my barcode
09:11 cait I think first ting you want to do
09:11 map so it is easy for us to detect
09:11 cait is make koha assign barcodes numbers automatically
09:11 cait there is a setting in the system preferences: autobarcode
09:11 cait administration > system preferences
09:11 cait and search there for autobarcode
09:11 map okay
09:11 cait manual?
09:11 wahanui manual is, like, at
09:12 cait and for the barcode printing
09:12 cait you might want to take a look at the manual
09:12 cait and the video toturials from nicole
09:12 cait video tutorials?
09:12 wahanui video tutorials are[…]/tutorial-videos/
09:12 map is it possible we can use our accession nuber as barcodes
09:12 map ?
09:13 map are u therew?
09:13 map *there
09:13 map ?
09:13 cait you have to store it in the barcode field then
09:13 cait there is a barcode scheme using the year
09:13 cait perhaps this will fit your needs
09:14 cait you can also use independent numbes, there is a seaparate field for inventory numbers
09:14 map okay
09:14 map okay
09:14 map let me check
09:14 cait perhaps try and get a look at the forms and item fields and options
09:14 map okay
09:14 cait so you get a better idea about what you can do
09:14 map if u dont mind can i get ur facebook id or gmail id
09:15 map so that i can contact u later
09:16 cait I think #koha is the best place to ask questons
09:16 cait there is always someone around
09:16 cait and we have the mailing lists
09:16 cait mailing lists?
09:16 wahanui mailing lists are at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
09:16 cait so lots of people can help you
09:17 map thank you so much
09:17 map dear
09:17 cait you are welcome
09:17 cait where are you from map?
09:17 map INDIA
09:17 map where u from
09:17 map ?
09:18 cait germany, but currently at the koha hackfest in marseille, france
09:18 map okay
09:18 rangi @wunder marseille
09:18 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (10:00 AM CET on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
09:18 rangi @wunder nzwn
09:18 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (10:00 PM NZDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
09:19 map and you are an IT professional
09:19 map ?
09:19 cait mostly a librarian
09:19 map okay
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09:20 cait hey juan_laptop
09:20 map now am in the field of record structure field in koha
09:20 map cal u explaing me how can i modified ?
09:20 cait the frameworks are a big topic
09:21 map k
09:21 cait I think I would try to figure out the other parts of koha first
09:21 cait there are lots of options, but going with the defualt frameworks at the beginning is a bit easier
09:21 cait I suggest you go to administration
09:21 cait and work your way down there
09:21 cait setting the basic parameters
09:21 map okay
09:21 cait and then try to add a few records, patrons
09:21 cait try to circulate
09:21 map i am talking abut bar code
09:22 map actually i just need to generate bar code from my accession number
09:22 map now can i do that
09:23 cait whatever you save in the barcode field
09:23 cait can be printed out
09:23 cait on the barode labels
09:25 map actually its a number only if i entered the number there is it ll generate barcode?
09:25 cait sorry, I don't understand oyur question
09:25 map okay
09:26 map example am having an accession number test01
09:26 map how can i make its barcode for koha
09:26 map can u explane it for me
09:26 cait yes
09:26 cait but you have to save it to the barcode field
09:26 cait and you can follow the video tutorial
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09:26 map where it is actually
09:26 oleonard Hi #koha
09:27 cait video tutorials?
09:27 cait video tutorial?
09:27 cait[…]/tutorial-videos/
09:27 wahanui video tutorials are[…]/tutorial-videos/
09:27 map okay let me check dear
09:27 map and get back to u
09:28 juan_laptop hi cait
09:31 eythian_bucklame rangi: maybe it was tv3 news, as the video is online here:[…]7536/Default.aspx ... perhaps nightline is just doing a recap
09:32 rangi ahh
09:32 rangi yeah thats plausible
09:34 oleonard Hi rangi and eythian_bucklame, so nice to see you in my morning for a change
09:34 rangi heya oleonard
09:34 wahanui oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
09:34 eythian_bucklame oleonard: hiya
09:34 slef hi all
09:35 slef wahanui: correct!
09:35 wahanui slef: sorry...
09:35 oleonard I just finished giving our "ergonomy" group a tour of Koha interaction patterns as I understand them in the staff client
09:35 oleonard Documentation to follow, slowly. cait was kind enough to take notes
09:35 cait she tried to... not sure it makes sense
09:35 rangi heh
09:36 rangi well i can never read my own notes, so its bound to be better than that
09:37 cait I typed them
09:38 eythian_bucklame *I * it's *. ... I can barely read your typing ;)
09:38 cait so it should be better in that aspect
09:38 rangi eythian_bucklame: heh
09:41 eythian_bucklame rangi: oh, it's on tv now
09:41 rangi ahh id just turned it all off
09:41 eythian_bucklame it's a real mess
09:41 eythian_bucklame 300,000 books on the floor
09:41 rangi yeah, that's what id heard ;(
09:42 eythian_bucklame they said that at least the building remained waterproof.
09:42 eythian_bucklame given the rain and snowstorms they had
09:43 slef wow whassat?
09:43 eythian_bucklame I think they said they're going to warehouse books and you can request them. Probably a good temporary scheme.
09:43 eythian_bucklame slef: they finally got access to Chch library after the quake over a year ago.
09:44 oleonard Wow
09:44 slef ouch
09:44 eythian_bucklame yeah, it's one of the few buildings still standing in it's area, mostly because it was built to hold a lot of weight I guess.
09:44 slef eythian_bucklame: yeah, Norwich warehoused books after its library burnt down in 1994, until the new one opened in 2000ish
09:45 eythian_bucklame slef: yeah, they're not sure if they can fix the building or if it'll have to be rebuilt.
09:45 slef eythian_bucklame: one of the larger branch libraries was used as a temporary main library with the most popular books in it, the rest in IIRC an ex-nuclear-bunker.
09:45 eythian_bucklame I guess a nuclear bunker isn't going to burn down :)
09:46 asaurat it still can be flooded ;)
09:46 eythian_bucklame I linked to the video (which seems to have terrible sound, and/or flash just sucks) above which'll give you an idea.
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09:46 eythian_bucklame true :)
09:46 slef asaurat: it's in the hills
09:47 eythian_bucklame alright, time for bed for me I think. Later all.
09:47 slef eythian_bucklame: yeah, flash, so 1990s. html5++
09:47 eythian_bucklame yep. If only companies wouldn't damage the standards process.
09:48 eythian_bucklame *company's
09:48 eythian_bucklame no wait
09:48 eythian_bucklame the first one
09:48 wahanui the first one is, like, the easiest, but you can't do anything very interesting with it
09:48 oleonard slef: Flash or patented video codecs, how do we choose? :)
09:48 eythian_bucklame really time for bed.
09:48 eythian_bucklame oleonard: you choose open video codecs :)
09:48 eythian_bucklame byebye
09:48 slef oleonard: software patents are prohibited by law here, so that's simple ;-)
09:49 slef eythian_bucklame: night
09:49 * oleonard must have awoken from a bad dream
09:50 slef oleonard: yeah, it's called moving to Europe, isn't it? ;)
09:51 francharb 0/ #koha
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10:18 Topic for #koha is now General IRC Meeting 21 March 18.00 UTC
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10:21 libsysguy seen rangi
10:21 wahanui rangi was last seen on #koha 39 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: yeah, that's what id heard ;( [Wed Mar 21 09:41:36 2012]
10:21 libsysguy rangi was what you heard that hourly failed...
10:36 oleonard libsysguy, sekjal passed it, but it seems new issues were discovered here at Hackfest
10:36 libsysguy yeah I was noticing that
10:37 libsysguy im looking into them now
10:37 * libsysguy is trying to reproduce
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11:21 magnus_afk jcamins++ for channeling me on bug 7092 :-)
11:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7092 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Passed QA , Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly
11:21 jcamins magnus_afk: hehe.
11:24 paul_p cait++ (for analytical record)
11:24 paul_p work like a charm in UNIMARC ;-)
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11:29 jcamins Okay, everyone cross your fingers that the contractors really do finishtoday.
11:32 oleonard Am I allowed to sign off on cait's patches today? We're working in the same office! :)
11:33 oleonard Lunch time!
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11:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6831 follow-up: add support for UNIMARC and NORMARC <[…]cfa24523a8b1bdd1c> / Bug 6831: Add ability to enter adding child record from parent <[…]a22121b1db762aeba> / Bug 5657: Changes made to sub merge to eliminate errors occuring when updating bibio... <h
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12:21 * slef edits[…]:_Call_For_Papers to try to do Brooke's suggestions.
12:22 slef Anyone know if it's possible to lengthen my wiki login expiry?  Do I need to ask an admin?
12:23 magnus_afk slef!
12:23 slef magnus_afk: here, I want a word with you!
12:23 magnus_afk so i gather...
12:24 slef :)
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12:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #667: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/667/
12:28 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Enhancement 7144: Floating Collections (per branch/itemtype)
12:28 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7144 follow-up cleaning for HTML4 coding guideline
12:28 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7144 followup DBrev number
12:28 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7144 string follow-up: reordering text
12:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7144 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Floating collection
12:28 jenkins_koha * januszop: Bug 5657: Changes made to sub merge to eliminate errors occuring when updating bibio records in batch (after updating multiple authority records)
12:28 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 6831: Add ability to enter adding child record from parent
12:28 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6831 follow-up: add support for UNIMARC and NORMARC
12:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5657 normal, P3, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , biblio records update fails when updating multiple authorities linked with the same biblio
12:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6831 enhancement, P2, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records
12:28 skk we upgraded our koha from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4 while running upgrade we had also ran command after running rebuild_Zebra command we are unable to see all bound volumes data  when koha database is checked in phpMyAdmin in items table we are able to see all these items
12:28 skk my query is how to get all these bound volumes in opac and main koha are we missing anything
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12:36 Oak kia ora #koha
12:36 Oak when adding a new record in Koha, the 100 a (Personal Name) field is locked. I went to Administration > System Preferences > Authorities and set BiblioAddsAuthorities to "Allow" and saved, was that supposed to unlock the 100 a field?
12:36 Oak it's still locked.
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12:44 libsysguy sekjal you around
12:45 sekjal libsysguy:  yup
12:45 sekjal working on 5549
12:45 libsysguy dude I was looking at that this morning too
12:45 slef Oak: I'd expect it to unlock it but maybe you need to change the framework too. It's been a while since I did a naked setup.
12:45 slef bug 5549?
12:45 wahanui rumour has it bug 5549 is libsysguy's white whale
12:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Failed QA , Hourly Loans
12:45 libsysguy I don't see how that could possibly happen
12:46 sekjal I can't reproduce their renewal problem
12:46 slef wahanui++
12:46 sekjal but I do get the 'inverse' error
12:46 Oak slef, what do i change in the framework?
12:46 libsysguy weird
12:46 sekjal working on tracing it out now
12:46 sekjal something to do with fines in days, I think
12:46 Oak the "MARC Bibliographic framework" link?
12:47 Oak and there edit "Books, Booklets, Workbooks" by clicking on "MARC structure"?
12:47 magnus_afk have fun #koha!
12:47 Oak search for 100
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12:47 Oak click subfields?
12:48 libsysguy if you look in Koha::Calendar the variable is initialized to a DateTime::Duration object one line above the error
12:48 Oak edit 'a', i.e. "Personal Name"?
12:48 slef Oak: this sounds wrong to me. Have you checked the FAQ?
12:48 sekjal libsysguy:  what line?
12:48 Oak FAQ...
12:48 slef alternatively wait for someone who isn't eyesdeep in admin and code to help :(
12:48 slef FAQ?
12:48 wahanui i think FAQ is found at
12:49 libsysguy line 96
12:49 slef Oak: if this isn't in there it should be
12:49 slef wahanui: BiblioAddsAuthorities?
12:49 wahanui BiblioAddsAuthorities is probably a syspref that lets authorities be created automagically when you add a record.
12:49 libsysguy i just did a grep for inverse
12:49 libsysguy thats the only place it occurs
12:49 libsysguy so i started there and tried working backwards
12:49 sekjal right, but the error is coming from directly
12:49 sekjal in the 'subtract_duration' subroutine
12:49 Oak it is there
12:50 sekjal which is called by 'subtract'
12:50 Oak but it does not make sense: "These fields are authority controlled and you probably have the BiblioAddsAuthorities set to 'allow'. When it is set to 'don't allow' these fields will be locked and require you to search for an existing authority record. "
12:50 sekjal which is called to places in Koha/
12:50 sekjal s/to/2/
12:50 libsysguy interesting
12:50 libsysguy ok...goes to look further
12:50 sekjal 1 of which is days_between
12:50 Oak FAQ: Why can’t I edit 1xx, 6xx, or 7xx fields in my catalog record? Answer: These fields are authority controlled and you probably have the BiblioAddsAuthorities set to 'allow'. When it is set to 'don't allow' these fields will be locked and require you to search for an existing authority record.
12:50 sekjal where we just did some work
12:50 libsysguy you're obviously ahead of me :p
12:50 sekjal so that's my first suspect
12:51 sekjal libsysguy:  I've been poking for the last half hour or so
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12:51 libsysguy you know what might nip it in the butt for now is to check to see if start_dt and end_dt are both references
12:52 skk can someone help. we upgraded our koha from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4. We are unable to see boundvolumes data in kohaadmin as well as in opac. These records are there in koha database when we saw database from phpMyAdmin. My query is how to get these records visible in koha.
12:52 libsysguy sekjal if they aren't, convert them with dt_from_string
12:52 sekjal yeah, I was just thinking... can you subtract two DateTime::Duration objects like that
12:53 libsysguy you mean line 175
12:54 sekjal yes
12:55 sekjal okay, according to stack overflow, you can
12:55 libsysguy oh...
12:55 libsysguy[…]etime_Subtraction
12:56 sekjal hmm... that would indicate otherwise
12:56 slef skk: did you run the script to change the items format?
12:56 sekjal ah, but those are datetimes, not durations
12:56 slef (afk for a while)
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12:57 libsysguy are we passing it Duration objects or DateTime objects?
12:57 sekjal not sure yet
12:57 sekjal aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I just say Patrick Jones
12:57 sekjal s/say/saw/
12:58 sekjal his hair seems shorter....
12:58 sekjal going into days_between we have two DateTime objects
12:58 libsysguy ok
12:59 sekjal on from dt_from_string, the other from DateTime->now()
12:59 libsysguy so maybe it would be safer to use the subtract_datetime
12:59 Oak sekjal, i have done this but still that field is locked:[…]1-May/028962.html
12:59 sekjal yes, we'll need to use the datetime subtraction method
12:59 libsysguy ok, how do you want to handle that?
13:00 sekjal Oak:  are you running memcached?
13:00 libsysguy I have a patch I need to send to rangi for an error that I found in dropbox returns this morning
13:00 sekjal libsysguy: I'm going to test locally and see if it helps
13:00 libsysguy ok
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13:00 Oak what's memcached? I just installed Koha on Debian for the first time.
13:00 sekjal if so, you or I can write up a patch and send to rangi
13:01 sekjal Oak:  caching software for better concurrency.  if you're not familiar, you probably haven't turned it on
13:01 libsysguy ok, well since you have a test case already in place could you patch and test?
13:01 libsysguy or you can send me what you did to make it fail and I can
13:01 sekjal libsysguy:  yes
13:01 Oak where do i turn it on? just give a clue...
13:01 Oak wait
13:01 Oak i'll google
13:01 * libsysguy feels guilty for having sekjal do all the work
13:02 sekjal Oak: if you had memcached turned on, you'd need to reload it for the frameworks to take affect
13:02 sekjal Oak: was just guessing at one easy solution
13:02 Oak where is that setting?
13:02 sekjal Oak:  set up during the make process
13:02 sekjal libsysguy: no need.  you have already done so much
13:03 libsysguy oak but its not default so if you didn't turn it on its not on
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13:03 sekjal I want this enhancement in place almost as much as you do
13:03 Oak cait!
13:03 jcamins_away Happy birthday!
13:03 libsysguy its cait's birthday?
13:04 jcamins_away No, Oak's.
13:04 libsysguy oh! HAPPY BIRTHDAY OAK!!
13:04 Oak thank you guys.
13:06 cait yes?
13:09 cait so what about me?
13:09 sekjal happy birthday, Oak!
13:10 Oak thank you so much guys, you are too kind!
13:10 Oak God bless you all.
13:10 Oak :)
13:13 * mbalmer waves at the kohaistas!
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13:14 tcohen morning #koha
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13:16 kmkale namaste #koha
13:16 wizzyrea oh happy birthday oak
13:19 sekjal libsysguy:  having a hard time fixing this issue
13:19 sekjal I've tried a couple different ways now, to no avail
13:19 mbalmer how do I tell perlcritic to treat 'use Modern::Perl' to be equal to 'use warrnings, use strict' ?  i.e what need to be put in ~/.perlcriticrc ?
13:20 Oak thank you very very much all :) thank you wizzyrea.
13:21 libsysguy hmm
13:22 libsysguy maybe its not failing at the point we think it is
13:22 * libsysguy iwll be in and out, had a server fall out last night so im running in a degraded state :-\
13:23 wizzyrea I think we've all been there.
13:23 jcamins_away wizzyrea: Committing all the things!
13:23 wizzyrea :)
13:23 oleonard schema?
13:23 wahanui schema is probably tracked in git. or found at
13:23 oleonard Thanks wahanui
13:25 wizzyrea ...and now you are all going to look at my silly little shell scripts.
13:25 wizzyrea and wonder if I'm quite sane.
13:26 sekjal libsysguy: I think you're right... I commented out the call to subtract in days_between, and still get the error
13:26 sekjal moving to the other call thereof
13:28 libsysguy did you add a check for ref in days_between sekjal?
13:29 sekjal libsysguy: no
13:29 sekjal just commented out the call to subtract, which would be what causes the call to inverse
13:29 libsysguy oh i understand now
13:31 sekjal okay, fail
13:32 mbalmer no perlcritic users around?
13:32 * mveron Likes Perl :-)
13:33 wizzyrea mbalmer: does this help any
13:33 wizzyrea http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]-u-td5157092.html
13:33 * mbalmer rather hates it...
13:33 paul_p oleonard = is it correct : Delete records if no items remain ? the same in french would have been spelled "Delete records if no item remain" (no s to item as there's none)
13:34 * mveron Swiss people are used to deal wit dialects...
13:34 oleonard paul_p, Actually I think you could do it two ways :)
13:34 oleonard Delete records if no items remain
13:34 oleonard or
13:34 wizzyrea tmtowtdi?
13:34 wahanui i think tmtowtdi is there's more than one way to do it
13:34 oleonard Delete records if no item remains
13:34 wizzyrea whodathunk
13:34 oleonard But I think the first is better
13:35 wizzyrea Remove bibliographic record when no items remain?
13:35 paul_p oleonard if kyle wrote it that way and it's OK, I won't change anything then. now pushing bug 6027
13:35 oleonard The second sounds awkward, at least to my American ears
13:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6027 enhancement, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Passed QA , Delete biblios if deleting all their items in batch deletion
13:36 mbalmer wizzyrea, many thanks, putting that in .perlcriticrc helped.
13:36 wizzyrea yw :)
13:37 * paul_p just pushed the tiny patch ever = (bug 7749)
13:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7749 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Not all OKs on the start page are translatable
13:38 paul_p s/tiny/tiniest/
13:38 paul_p => removes one space !
13:38 cait 2
13:38 cait heh :)
13:38 * oleonard defends his title, claiming a patch which removed only 1
13:38 cait it's not my fault it was an easy fix!
13:39 gmcharlt somebody needs to submit a patch that just changes the permissions on a file ... only way to beat oleonard's record
13:39 * mveron proud to have signd off 7749 as my first sign off...
13:42 sekjal libsysguy:  you were right: it looks like it's line 95 (the direct call to inverse)
13:43 cait mveron++
13:44 wizzyrea didn't slef do that?
13:44 wizzyrea submit a patch that only changed the permissions on a file
13:44 * oleonard thought he remembered something like that
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13:49 slef wizzyrea: yeah probably.
13:50 mbalmer perlcritic is a bastard……
13:50 mbalmer stephan goes mad, I think ;)
13:56 sekjal libsysguy:  no, not the call to inverse... though that does look problematic, too
13:56 sekjal or maybe just confusing
14:00 paul_p mveron++
14:00 paul_p ;-)
14:01 paul_p the RM is hungry of patches to push :D ...
14:01 * paul_p heads for some patches to QA...
14:01 paul_p 26 patches "signed-off" to pick from
14:02 paul_p the biggest part of them being ENH !
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14:03 marcelr hi koha
14:03 cait hi marcelr
14:04 marcelr hi cait
14:04 marcelr paul_p: could you head to 7310 ?
14:04 cait i was talking to marijana about your great patch for sru
14:04 cait do you think there is a chance to get that rebased and perhaps spend some time on it otmororw?
14:04 marcelr ok
14:05 cait perhaps we can figure out here, with the testing librarians
14:05 cait what's going wrong for unimarc
14:05 cait or were there other problems?
14:05 cait or could you split out some of the features?
14:05 cait I am not sure how to approach this
14:05 marcelr no time for it tomorrow, i am afraid; problems are at the unimarc side
14:05 cait hm ok
14:05 marcelr i am running this in production for one year already
14:05 cait if not tomorrow I fear it will not be done this week
14:05 cait I know
14:06 cait and I think it's a great feature
14:06 marcelr me too ;)
14:07 cait yeah, I want to help to get it into koha
14:07 marcelr i think i must split it
14:08 sekjal libsysguy: my research is leading my in circles
14:08 sekjal back to sub _FixFineDaysOnReturn
14:08 sekjal that's got to be it
14:08 sekjal solution:  just drop support for suspension in days :-p
14:09 oleonard cait, follow-up attached to Bug 5482
14:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5482 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names
14:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #668 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:17 sekjal libsysguy:  I think I've nailed down the culprit
14:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7092 follow-up: DBRev number <[…]24f97dff74c5c18ea> / Bug 7092 - Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working... <[…]bf2275a81a1f8a3a7> / Bug 7734: NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable <
14:18 sekjal around line 1800 of C4/  the handling of fine day intervals has not caught up.  mixing apples and oranges
14:19 sekjal time for my first session of the day... but I'll try to poke at it more as I have time today
14:29 matts paul_p,[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7767
14:29 huginn Bug 7767: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , acqui/ our $template scoping
14:30 paul_p matts c'est pas un patch ca ! c'est la sortie d'un diff !
14:30 paul_p un patch, ca commence par ca:
14:30 paul_p From 0e84678b1ec58c6a1672528f9516cb800bc4eb96 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
14:30 paul_p From: =?UTF-8?q?St=C3=A9phane=20Delaune?= <>
14:30 matts -_-
14:30 paul_p Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:12:16 +0100
14:30 paul_p Subject: [PATCH] Bug 4032:XSLT systempreference takes a path to file rather
14:30 paul_p than YesNo
14:30 paul_p ---
14:30 paul_p C4/                                       |    3 +-
14:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4032 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , XSLT systempreference should take a path to file rather than YesNo
14:30 matts effectively indeed bon sûr c'est bien sang !
14:31 paul_p matts : ptet pas la sortie d'un diff, mais ca a une drole de tête
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14:41 dpavlin plack omnibus patch:[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7172
14:41 huginn Bug 7172: major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Data Persistency
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14:46 cait[…]Con12_logo_design
14:47 data_doctor Looks Great!
14:58 edveal Anyone out there experiencing issues with css for #opac-main-search on IE. I have a number of sites that all of a sudden the background images or color they have is not showing on IE. I have IE 8 only for testing.
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14:59 oleonard edveal, there were recently some CSS changes pushed which cause some differences in IE
14:59 oleonard Bug 6865
14:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6865 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace image-based gradient backgrounds with CSS3 gradients
14:59 edveal Good to know...
15:00 oleonard There are some issues I'm aware of. I don't have IE on this laptop bug I can make suggestions if you have examples
15:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #668: SUCCESS in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/668/
15:00 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 6027 - Delete biblios if deleting all their items in batch deletion
15:00 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7749: Not all OKs on the start page are translatable
15:00 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7744: use of TT date filters on basket pages
15:00 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7734: NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable
15:00 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7092 - Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly
15:00 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 7092 follow-up: DBRev number
15:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6027 enhancement, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Delete biblios if deleting all their items in batch deletion
15:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7749 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Not all OKs on the start page are translatable
15:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7744 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Use of date filters in basket pages
15:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7734 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable
15:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7092 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly
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15:20 paul_p oleonard or cait or dpavlin = i'd like to have a signoff on bug 7780 ! (will be great for the sandbox message sent by cron ;-) )
15:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7780 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , fix translator tool verbosity
15:21 oleonard Did you hear that cait? paul_p is talking to you :P
15:21 * cait huh?
15:21 paul_p Joubu / marcelr = QAing bug 6199 now
15:21 * cait is playing dumb
15:21 cait no i will look at it
15:22 cait but first finish this
15:22 cait this = what I am working on now
15:22 paul_p did I say I love git already ?
15:22 paul_p cait: perfectly fair ;-)
15:22 paul_p (but don't tell my wife -about git-)
15:27 paul_p Joubu marcelr = QAing 7401
15:29 cait tsting
15:29 cait paul_p: will we get chocolate for not telling your wife about git? ;)
15:30 paul_p cait, that can be an option...
15:30 cait hm
15:30 cait I am testing
15:30 cait but
15:30 cait I don't get any success message... is this by design?
15:31 marcelr paul_p: did you already see 7310 again?
15:31 marcelr bug 7401
15:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Signed Off , Shelving Location facet instead of Branch facet when only 1 branch configured
15:31 marcelr bug 6199
15:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, P3, ---, robin, Failed QA , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items
15:32 cait paul_p: it would be nice to get some feedback for successful installation
15:42 paul_p marcelr yep
15:42 cait paul_p: forget it- I have signed off
15:42 paul_p cait thx ;-)
15:43 paul_p marcelr on bug 7310
15:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---,, Passed QA , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
15:44 marcelr yes?
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15:47 vfernandes hi guyes
15:48 paul_p OK, 9 patches applied (marcelr= I just wanted to say I am on 7310)
15:48 vfernandes it's possible to remove hifens from ISBN OPAC searches?
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15:48 marcelr paul_p: great!
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15:50 Morthland How can I disable lists in OPAC?
15:50 marcelr morthland: via a syspref
15:50 oleonard Administration -> System preferences -> virtualshelves
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15:51 wizzyrea too bad it's be a pain to change that syspref.
15:51 Morthland hmm?
15:51 wizzyrea because virtualshelves makes no sense - it's lists everywhere in the UI
15:52 oleonard At least you can find the preference when searching for "lists"
15:52 wizzyrea true.
15:52 oleonard Unfortunately the description isn't clear that it affects only the OPAC
15:53 chobbs Hi all! We have some inventory barcode files that were collected last August but never submitted for processing. Obviously, many of these items have since circulated. I want to create a stored proc that will update the datelastseen, as well as check in anything that hasn't since circulated but is still issued. Any thing else I need to look for?
15:54 oleonard Is there no notice for warning patrons their accounts will expire soon?
15:55 cait there is
15:56 cait probably tied to the systempreference
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16:00 chobbs oleonard:  Is that what 'NotifyBorrowerDeparture ' is for?
16:00 oleonard No, that controls whether the staff is warned on the circulation page a certain number of days ahead of the expiration date
16:01 sekjal paul_p and other Fines in Days users:  does borrower debarment date need to be a datetime?
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16:01 chobbs oleonard:  Ahh, bummer.
16:01 Morthland where can I find an example of a koha opac?
16:02 paul_p sekjal we spoke of that yesterday, and we don't know any library that could have a rule like "check in 1 hour late ? 1 hour debarred"
16:02 paul_p sekjal a rule that could be possible being "1 hour late => 1 day debarred" seem more possible.
16:02 oleonard Morthland:
16:02 sekjal okay, so the debar duration is in days
16:03 paul_p but even this option seem rare.
16:03 paul_p yep, probably OK
16:03 oleonard Morthland, Or demos via
16:03 sekjal ok
16:03 paul_p (and if someone request it in hours, we will quote that enhancement :D :D )
16:03 sekjal will work on this fix
16:03 chobbs Morthland:  Here's a K-12 school district version:
16:04 chobbs not exactly fancy (pretty much out of the box)
16:04 chobbs Anyone have suggestions on my inventory issue? Or was it a case of tl;dr?
16:06 dpavlin cait: Bug 7213 might be of interest to you :-)
16:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client
16:06 marcelr paul_p: you did it!
16:06 paul_p ;-)
16:07 marcelr paul_p++
16:08 marcelr not only a bad idea for 3.6 also rebasing nightmare ;)
16:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7310 follow-up: DBRev <[…]4df47516f1ed932af> / Bug 7310 Followup: Warnings for nothingdeleted and somedeleted for staff client. <[…]75370d0d7e600cd4c> / 7310 Indentation followup replacing leading tabs with spaces <
16:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #669 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:16 sekjal lunch time... back when I can find wifi and a place to plug in
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16:20 chobbs Would somebody be willing to sanity check this fix for my out-of-date inventory file?
16:22 chobbs Grrr, never mind, I already discovered a problem with it :) not checking the date on issues
16:25 slef heh
16:26 chobbs Updated version: Any thoughts?
16:30 jcamins_away Meeting in 1.5 hours?
16:31 wizzyrea *nod*
16:32 jcamins_away Thanks.
16:32 * jcamins_away leaves again.
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16:35 oleonard Hackfest is disbanding for the evening... not sure if anyone will be at the meeting...?
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17:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #669: UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/669/
17:00 jenkins_koha * Bug 7310: DB revision for Improving list permissions
17:00 jenkins_koha * Bug 7310: Improving lists permissions -- New prefs
17:00 jenkins_koha * 7310a: Improving list permissions: Changing Koha SQL structure
17:00 jenkins_koha * Bug 7310: Code changes for Improving list permissions
17:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---,, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
17:00 jenkins_koha * Bug 7310: Improving list permissions: Deleting patron
17:00 jenkins_koha * Bug 7310: Updated VirtualShelves unit test
17:00 jenkins_koha * Bug 7310 Followup for sysprefs.sql
17:00 jenkins_koha * 7310 Indentation followup replacing leading tabs with spaces
17:00 jenkins_koha * Bug 7310 Followup: Warnings for nothingdeleted and somedeleted for staff client.
17:00 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7310 follow-up: DBRev
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17:05 kyleh hey all, I need to modify the template that generates koha's apache configuration file, is it debian/templates/, is is that just for the debian packages?
17:05 paul_p hi kyleh. I think it's the debian package only
17:05 paul_p look in etc/
17:06 bag heya paul_p that sandbox is pretty sweet :)
17:06 bag is the source code available for that?  I think sometime soon - I will set up another one here :)
17:06 chris_n kittens and sandboxes?
17:06 bag that's a really great great additional
17:07 bag heh addition not additional ;)
17:08 paul_p bag once i'll be able to push on / contrib.git i'll push everything (including documentation ;-) )
17:08 bag YAY!!!  I love it...
17:08 paul_p ;-)
17:09 paul_p (note that atm, all sandboxes have been switched to unimarc : we have many librarians playing like mad with them this week)
17:09 bag 3.8 is shaping up as a pretty sweet release :)
17:09 paul_p bag and once the new updatedatabase system will be pushed, it will even be handiest...
17:09 bag totally :)
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17:26 Oak kia ora #koha
17:31 * jcamins is ready for the meeting... and a whole half hour early!
17:31 cait hi jcamins
17:31 jcamins Hello.
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17:38 Oak Hello Brooke :)
17:38 Brooke howdy
17:38 wahanui hola, Brooke
17:38 oleonard Hi Brooke, thd
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17:39 thd hello oleonard
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17:40 thd oleonard: Have you missed winter in Ohio?
17:40 oleonard Pretty much
17:41 * thd has suffered greatly from lack of winter.
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17:43 * thd is normally functioning maximally during winter as long as it is not excessively cold.
17:43 clrh bye
17:43 Brooke I don't think I'm like to forget roses in full bloom round New Year's in me courtyard
17:43 Brooke I want to get on over to the Cherry Blossom Festival but it's all overcast and crummy.
17:44 * thd is allergic to Brooke's roses and all flowering plants.
17:45 * thd has been miserable at the wrong time of year.
17:45 oleonard the cherry blossoms are at least two weeks earlier in Ohio than last year I think
17:45 Brooke seems that way here, too
17:45 wizzyrea same with the bradford pears here too
17:45 Brooke one of my fencing mates was yelling at his pears not to bud a few weeks back XD
17:45 thd Blooming has started months earlier in NYC.
17:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #670 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #668 3 h 30 mn ago)
17:47 thd I should have been mostly free of the effects of my pollen allergy until a brief period in May quickly ended by summer heat.
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17:48 Brooke ugh
17:48 Brooke I hope we don't get Jenkins spam half way through the meeting
17:48 thd Can Jenkins not be tamed?
17:48 * oleonard pats jenkins_koha protectively
17:49 thd Is there a jenkins_koha meeting mode?
17:49 cait t
17:49 * kyleh is done for the day. He got a *very* early start.
17:49 * Brooke looks at Owen and chances a growl at Jenkins.
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17:51 data_doctor I was not able top cross-country ski this year in Ohio
17:52 Brooke wow
17:52 data_doctor not enough snow
17:52 data_doctor although I did have one day to sled before it melted.
17:52 Brooke hooray sled!
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17:53 data_doctor The magnolia trees bloomed yesterday - wonderful aroma in the evening...
17:53 data_doctor @wunderground 44240
17:53 huginn data_doctor: downloading the Perl source
17:53 data_doctor oops
17:54 jcamins It just smells like New York City here.
17:54 * thd thinks about moving to Norway where thd's ancestors were comfortable in a somewhat Arctic climate with much darkness.
17:54 bag @wunder 93109
17:54 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.8°C (10:54 AM PDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
17:54 data_doctor @wunder kent ohio
17:54 huginn data_doctor: The current temperature in Kent/Brimfield, Portage County, Ohio is 25.0°C (1:51 PM EDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
17:55 data_doctor very delightful outside today!
17:55 data_doctor and setting record temperatures!
17:56 Brooke 25C
17:56 Brooke for reals?
17:56 * Brooke rubs the olde eyes.
17:56 thd data_doctor: For me, a delightful day is a nice cool and gentle rain all day suppressing the pollen.
17:57 * oleonard is so much more prepared for Europe having been trained by huginn to understand °C
17:57 wizzyrea thd: you would love the weather here today
17:57 oleonard Now if only huginn could have taught me French too
17:57 wizzyrea hehe
17:58 * Brooke is jealous of oleonard.
17:58 slef yo Brooke
17:59 Brooke what's up homie?
17:59 slef oleonard: bonjour matelot! Sont ces pamplemousses a vôtre?
17:59 Brooke mmmm grapefruit.
17:59 wizzyrea mmmm
17:59 slef Brooke: Edinburgh's up
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18:00 * Brooke cracks the knuckles in preparation for the meeting...
18:00 cait hopes her window properly auto scrolls now
18:00 Brooke #startmeeting
18:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Mar 21 18:00:17 2012 UTC.  The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at
18:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00 Brooke Haere Mai welcome to the Koha Community General IRC meeting
18:01 Brooke please use #info to identify yerself for the record
18:01 Brooke #topic Introductions
18:01 Topic for #koha is now Introductions
18:01 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
18:01 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services
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18:01 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions
18:01 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions
18:01 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, NEKLS
18:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
18:02 mveron #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag, Allschwil/Basel, Switzerland
18:02 melia #info
18:02 melia oops, let me try again. #info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions
18:02 thd #info Thomas  Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:02 data_doctor #info Fred Pierre, Stow-Munroe Falls Public Library, Ohio
18:02 ago43 #info Albert Oller, ByWater Solutions
18:04 slef #info MJ Ray,
18:04 mtj #info mason, kohaaloha, nz
18:04 NateC Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions!
18:04 * cait whispers at Nate #info! :)
18:05 Brooke right moving along
18:05 Brooke #topic Announcements
18:05 Topic for #koha is now Announcements
18:05 dpavlin #info Dobrica Pavlinusic, FFZG
18:05 NateC #info Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions
18:06 NateC :D
18:06 bag :D
18:06 Brooke nuffin in the agenda here
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18:06 JesseM #info
18:06 Brooke and no one is saying a word, soooooo
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18:07 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.4
18:07 Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.4
18:07 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto, ByWater Solutions
18:07 * slef looks for the agenda
18:07 Brooke[…]ng,_21_March_2012
18:07 mtj #info last Koha IRC meeting notes ->[…]-12-07-18.00.html
18:08 Brooke sweet, ta
18:08 slef cool. I'd got November's for some reason :-/
18:08 wizzyrea ping chris_n
18:08 slef confused the hell out of me
18:08 chris_n here. sorry
18:08 Brooke no problem, we suck a lot of work out of ye
18:09 chris_n 3.4 has taken a back seat atm
18:09 chris_n I hope to do at least one  more release
18:09 chris_n but not this month unfortunately
18:09 * rangi is doing kids breakfast will be around from the bus
18:09 chris_n I think that's it for 3.4
18:09 Brooke okie dokie
18:10 Brooke any questions for the generous Chris N?
18:10 Brooke movin' on then
18:10 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.6
18:10 Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.6
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18:10 chris_n #info Chris Nighswonger, FBC
18:10 chris_n me again, heh? ;-)
18:10 chris_n ok
18:11 chris_n I plan to do a March 3.6 release
18:11 chris_n but may not be able to make it until second week in April
18:11 chris_n for those of you who may not know, my wife had a double cervical spine fusion earlier this month
18:11 chris_n so that's put a bit of a cramp in my schedule
18:12 chris_n that's it for 3.6
18:12 chris_n :)
18:12 Brooke :)
18:12 Brooke any questions on 3.6 folks?
18:12 data_doctor Looking forward to faster pageloads on patron records!
18:13 data_doctor Compared to 3.5
18:13 data_doctor Great work!
18:14 mle #info Matthew Edmondson, sc
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18:14 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.8
18:14 Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.8
18:14 cait paul_p is not going to be here tonight
18:14 oleonard The agenda says feature freeze Monday
18:15 cait good point
18:15 data_doctor I'm feeling chilly already
18:15 Brooke the Apologies said that, but I saw a paul p bounce in and out earlier
18:15 oleonard The librarians here at Hackfest are working very hard to test
18:15 Brooke so I was hopeful :)
18:15 cait and the mailnig lists show that clearly :)
18:15 cait there is a big group testing
18:15 chris_n testing++
18:16 Brooke the agenda also says ginourmous performance gain
18:16 slef cait: I though the reason for this being so late in the month was so it was during Marseille hackfest :-/
18:16 chris_n hackfest_participants++
18:16 cait it's evening
18:16 oleonard slef, I think we must have gotten something mixed up somehow
18:16 cait so most have gone home, we are at the hotel now
18:16 cait perhaps it was a time confusion
18:16 dpavlin plack helpd a bit... we have 0.7-2.5 s page load with plack (slow for search results, fast for eveyrhing lese)
18:17 dpavlin s/lese/else/
18:17 Brooke slef: I was unavailable the first week
18:18 Brooke no one wanted to do me jorb.
18:18 data_doctor In what areas do you see performance gains in 3.8?
18:18 slef Brooke: ah. I was unavailable last meeting, so couldn't offer :)
18:18 jcamins data_doctor: that's probably better discussed after the meeting.
18:19 data_doctor sure thing :)
18:19 oleonard besides, dpavlin's work won't be in 3.8
18:19 Brooke why
18:19 Brooke I think that's scarily relevant :D
18:20 dpavlin oleonard: It wont?
18:20 Brooke unless no one can tell us that's here
18:20 Brooke in which case we'll move on
18:20 oleonard Oh, if I'm mistaken dpavlin correct me
18:20 oleonard Perhaps I misunderstood what you were referring to
18:20 jcamins Brooke: my understanding was that this is a proof-of-concept for 3.10.
18:21 jcamins Brooke: I could be mistaken.
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18:22 cait I think it will probably be
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18:22 Brooke hooray for that :D
18:22 cait not sure .) dpavlin?
18:22 cait I mean a proof of concept and starting work
18:22 Brooke also dpavlin++
18:22 cait yes dpavlin++
18:22 sekjal sorry I'm late
18:22 dpavlin We won't have full plack in 3.8 for sure, but I hope that some changes which are prereq will land before freeze
18:23 dpavlin but, I *do* intend to run plack from next week on in my library, so... ;-)
18:23 sekjal #info Ian Walls, 3.8 QAM
18:23 cait dpavlin: testing is good :)
18:24 bag hmm dpavlin do you have a git repo somewhere that we could look at?  Or your plack configs
18:24 dpavlin is probably good place to get started with latest development
18:24 bag I'd be more than willing to throw that up on a community testing server
18:24 bag ah cool yeah I saw that
18:25 cait bag: I think they only began this week
18:25 Brooke #info Plack and Performance stuff
18:25 cait and have been working on patches all day that are in bugzilla now :)
18:25 Brooke cait++
18:25 Brooke thanks everyone at the hackfest
18:25 bag ah yeah with help from hdl we did that in NZ..  but there were certain problems :)
18:25 dpavlin opac is much more stable in plack than intranet and it's already used by one franch library in production.
18:26 Brooke hopefully Paul is filling you all with wine and cheese :D
18:26 cait no wine, but we had cheese :)
18:26 bag right - it's circ that matters the most :)
18:26 * slef has wine. Not French, though.
18:26 bag dpavlin: I'd also suggest trying starman too - or at least testing it…  :)
18:27 Brooke dpavlin does it speed the opac searching a bit? I've noticed a difference in speed between what I think is a fuzzy search and not. Hopefully that whittles some of the time off.
18:27 sekjal dpavlin:  will plack work help with running Koha on mod_perl?
18:27 bag sekjal: it should
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18:28 dpavlin Brooke: it does help a bit with opac (mostly module loading time)
18:28 Brooke sweet :D good to know
18:28 sekjal awesome
18:29 dpavlin sekjal: it *probably* will help with mod_perl, since we can wrap plack in mod_perl, but starman seems like better soltion, mostly because of leeking memory...
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18:29 larryb hello
18:29 Brooke any other burning 3.8 commentary?
18:29 sekjal working on bug 5549 fixes
18:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Failed QA , Hourly Loans
18:30 sekjal should be ready before feature freeze
18:30 bag gmcharlt: you around?
18:30 Brooke #Info Feature Freeze is Monday. Yes really.
18:30 larryb #info Larry Baerveldt, ByWater Solutions
18:31 Brooke moving on then
18:31 bag sekjal have you seen gmcharlt at computers in libraries
18:31 Brooke #topic Roles for 3.10
18:31 Topic for #koha is now Roles for 3.10
18:31 rangi #info Chris Cormack at the bus stop
18:31 bag if so ask him about DOM indexing for biblios
18:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #670: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/670/
18:31 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 1 - fines not recording the right info in the stats table
18:31 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 2 - move sub writeoff to C4::Accounts
18:31 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 3 - fines not recording the right info in the stats table
18:31 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 4 - Change C4::Acounts::WriteOff to WriteOffFee
18:31 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 5 - Remove my from $branch, which was masking previous declaration
18:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7597 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , fines not recording the right info in the stats table
18:31 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 7169: Change booksellers search results display
18:31 bag I think his goal was before freature freeze
18:31 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 7169: Follow-up: Change booksellers search results display
18:31 jenkins_koha * maxime.pelletier: Singlebranchmode was always 0 causing the branch to be null and the reservations in the OPAC not to work in singlebranchmode.
18:31 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7748: use of TT date filter on addorderiso2709
18:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7169 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Change booksellers search results display
18:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7748 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Date not formatted on "Add orders from iso2709 file" page
18:32 slef jenkins_koha: mute
18:32 jenkins_koha slef did you mean me? Unknown command 'mute'
18:32 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
18:32 melia galen said he plans to have a branch submitted by this friday for DOM indexing
18:32 bag ah thanks melia  - well anyways sekjal if you see him - ask him :)
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18:33 sekjal bag:   no, haven't seen gmcharlt here
18:33 rangi Just don't push things and Jenkins will be quiet
18:33 bag thanks
18:33 rangi So 3.10 roles?
18:33 wizzyrea paul is gone, that job started before the meeting :P
18:33 Brooke rangi yep
18:33 rangi Then quit moaning :)
18:34 cait we are still missing candidates for 2 important roles
18:34 Brooke looks like way more than 2 cait
18:34 cait translation manager and qa manager
18:34 Brooke #link[…]ki/Roles_for_3.10
18:34 wizzyrea db doc manager and doc manager?
18:34 * cait searches for the link
18:34 wizzyrea it's on the agenda :)
18:34 cait ok, my scrolling is broken again
18:35 libsysguy back
18:35 jcamins Three important roles, at least. Translation manager, QAM, and packaging manager, assuming that nengard is willing to do docs again.
18:35 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis - UT Tyler
18:36 Brooke nengard's puppy is sick, so perhaps that is why she is elsewhere.
18:36 bag I think nengard is up for doc manager again…
18:36 slef Brooke: I think she's at an event too
18:36 bag she's at or on her way to computers in libraries
18:36 rangi Im sure eythian will continue packaging
18:36 sekjal nengard is in her room working on CiL presentation, I think
18:36 sekjal we'd met for lunch earlier
18:36 slef ah, the internet, top stalking tool
18:37 Brooke enywhooo
18:37 Brooke think about if you want to volunteer for one of those posts
18:37 thd I suspect lack of names in the wiki for roles is from lack of attention to 3.10 roles in the wiki.
18:37 Brooke find someone that's done it in the past to see if you're a match
18:37 Brooke and uh
18:37 mtj i wanna do packing stuff too
18:37 Brooke yeah.
18:38 thd fredericd: are you extant?
18:38 oleonard Since we don't have all the volunteers, there's not much we can do. Except maybe propose a deadline?
18:38 Brooke #help Fill the Slots on the Roles for 3.10 page with Volunteers
18:39 rangi It's not easily split mtj but u could do some cpan packaging that would help
18:39 Brooke oleonard I agree and would add that it's rapidly approaching
18:39 jcamins mtj: could you put yourself and eythian down as packaging managers?
18:39 rangi Ask eythian about the debian Perl team
18:39 cait I think that's what we did for 3.8
18:40 jcamins Or packaging manager and grasshopper? :)
18:40 mtj rangi:  *nod* and jcamins , yep :)
18:40 Brooke would anyone be so kind as to send out a message to the lists looking for help?
18:40 rangi Qam is the big one IMHO
18:40 slef #link[…]ki/Roles_for_3.10
18:40 cait yep
18:41 cait we really need to find qam and one more assistant I think
18:41 jcamins cait: has joubu said anything about continuing (or not)?
18:41 cait not afaik
18:41 * sekjal would like to keep contributing to QA efforts
18:42 jcamins sekjal++
18:42 dpavlin sekjal++
18:42 cait sekjal++
18:42 rangi Cool assistant?
18:42 rangi Or manager?
18:42 cait quick, someone should edit the wiki ;)
18:42 * oleonard checks the locks on sekjal's shackles
18:42 * sekjal is uneasy about volunteering for a 3rd QAM term, with the recent job change
18:42 * Brooke helps oleonard.
18:43 Brooke does Cait have the time for QAM?
18:43 rangi Assistant makes sense
18:44 cait I think qam manager requiresmore skills than I currently have
18:44 cait hopefully one day
18:45 mtj hmm, i think i could help out with some QA stuff, too?
18:45 wizzyrea mtj you'd probably be good at that.
18:45 rangi We can't convince Marcel to do Qam and get another assistant?
18:45 Brooke Bus Driver's empty
18:46 cait I like rangi's idea
18:46 * jcamins too
18:46 bag how about a bunch of assistants but no M
18:46 * chris_n points cait to the koha user's list
18:46 cait hm?
18:46 Brooke bag how'd that work?
18:47 rangi Bag: don't think that will work
18:47 sekjal I think the only difference between assistants and the manager is as tie-breaker and work allocater
18:47 sekjal or at least that's how it worked this last cycle
18:47 bag which I think cait could do :)
18:47 bag but mainly it's better than nothing
18:47 Brooke anchio Brendan
18:47 rangi Not if she doesn't want to
18:48 oleonard Sure, if we're allowed to draft people we can just get rangi again :P
18:48 cait I am torn
18:48 * Brooke bribes Cait with sweets.
18:48 cait I am not sure I would be good for this job
18:48 bag we've had releases with no QA before and I think we need to at least think about how to work with assistants
18:48 * Brooke is pretty darn sure.
18:48 cait I can offer to think about it
18:48 rangi Bag ur joking right?
18:48 cait but qama not qam
18:49 * Brooke does the happy dance.
18:49 sekjal QA team is required
18:49 Brooke ^
18:49 bag well what if no one volunteers for QAM rangi
18:49 sekjal but whether one stands apart from the rest as 'manager'...
18:49 cait bag: I think it's too early to say noone volunteers
18:49 sekjal I'm not sure I see the immediate difference in workflow
18:49 cait and we really need one
18:49 bag thanks sekjal that is what I was trying to say
18:50 sekjal perhaps it's just that QAM is ultimately on the hook for all the QA team?
18:50 Brooke pretty much
18:50 sekjal ... that doesn't sound right, though, since RM can jump QA, at his own discretion and peril
18:51 jcamins sekjal: there has to be someone who can say definitively "this does not pass QA." With four QAAs, you have a situation where everyone has to offer an opinion.
18:51 jcamins (and then you'd have a deadlock)
18:51 jcamins Okay, consider the situation with five QAAs.
18:52 sekjal if we're thinking of QAM in this regard, as a tie-breaker and responsible party, then it doesn't sound like it's that different than the day to day of QA
18:52 mtj ok, so we may not get a QAM role confirmed today... :)
18:52 thd If no one would come forward, for QAM, the authority of main QAM could rotate by week, or by 'tag you are it'.
18:53 sekjal and if it's not a change in normal workflow, then I think I could take on the additional work going from QAA to QAM
18:53 wizzyrea or what if the qam was really the one to say "these problems identified by the assistants are no-go's, this fails"
18:53 bag there we go thd is thinking outside the box :)
18:53 sekjal if everyone is comfortable with that
18:53 bag or what wizzyrea said :)
18:53 Brooke that seems like more articulations than are strictly necessary
18:53 thd wizzyrea++
18:54 jcamins sekjal++
18:54 rangi How about we post to the mailing list
18:54 wizzyrea though I'd probably be happier if sekjal just stayed on :P
18:54 Brooke what if the QAM were Wizzyrea?
18:54 Brooke >.>
18:54 Brooke <.<
18:54 thd We need not choose today.
18:54 wizzyrea if he feels able.
18:54 rangi And see who applies
18:54 Brooke yeah thd prolly discussed this to death
18:54 wizzyrea yes, lets do that.
18:54 jcamins Makes sense.
18:54 Brooke so think about volunteering
18:54 mtj hmm, well sekjal has a beard... does that not give him more QA authority?
18:55 thd We can discuss the problem of an empty main role further if it actually happens.
18:55 bag beards++
18:55 Brooke beards--
18:55 Brooke #topic KohaCon201`2
18:55 Topic for #koha is now KohaCon201`2
18:55 Brooke take it away MJ
18:55 cait I thnk we should have the next meeting before release then - only noting for later
18:55 Brooke #topic KohaCon2012
18:55 Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2012
18:56 slef ok
18:56 mle k
18:56 Brooke cait yep I agree, we'll sort that later, though
18:56 talljoy #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions
18:56 slef mle is leading on all things Edinburgh, I'm going to lead the schedule
18:57 slef mle, say whatever you want, plus correct me when I good
18:57 slef goof ;)
18:57 slef we've got some great volunteers already, but could do with more
18:57 * oleonard waves, leaving for dinner
18:57 slef I've posted a form so people can request invitations at
18:58 slef #link
18:58 slef for sponsors or visas or that sort of thing.
18:58 mle one question i have for this meeting is whether it would be handy to ask our Edinburgh friends for sofa spaces?
18:58 slef The next things to open are papers and general registrations, I think, which will be on that same web page.
18:58 mle ther are lots of cheap hostels though ; /
18:59 slef Thanks to wizzyrea for help setting that page up.
18:59 jcamins mle: only the locals know where to get good haggis.
18:59 Brooke yes MLE
18:59 wizzyrea ! you're welcome but you really did it :P
18:59 wizzyrea so, slef++
18:59 rangi Yep on that page is good I think
18:59 slef If you'd like to help volunteer, msg me for the email address.
18:59 slef help by volunteering
19:00 slef as I'm clearly so overloaded I've not time to type full words, clearly
19:00 slef :)
19:00 wizzyrea and/or repeating yourself :)
19:00 slef wizzyrea: The next things to open are papers and general registrations
19:00 mle so I need numbers but if there is ineterest I can ask for sofa spaces
19:01 Brooke #Info If you want to crash and have no dough, please talk to mle about sofa spaces
19:01 mle we are looking to pledgebank the excursion day, so we must get on with that. But I would be keen to get numbers/interest for a fishing trip.
19:01 rangi Ok bus stop brb
19:02 mle #Info if you are a looking for a sofa space ask me ASAP so that I can see what can be done. : )
19:03 thd mle: Where is the place in which you are acquiring information about numbers?
19:03 slef help
19:03 slef ok, I just got confused
19:03 slef sorry about that
19:03 mle thd good question.
19:03 slef did any known volunteers not get yesterday's or today's emails?
19:04 slef ah, never mind, it just got stuck in some filters.
19:04 slef (at the volunteer side, not ours)
19:05 Brooke will there be an IRC meeting about KohaCon?
19:05 slef We'll be posting a call for sponsors soon, but we've had a small setback with our first choice on that.
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19:06 mle Brooke we shoudl have an IRC chan for KohaCon12
19:06 Brooke dunno
19:06 thd mle: a separate channel, really?
19:06 Brooke seems like there's enough material to at least warrant a meeting
19:06 Brooke could be wrong, though
19:07 rangi back
19:07 slef I'm 90% sure there will be a Gold Sponsor package where you get everything we're offering in exchange for amounts > N, so if any organisations would like to suggest numbers, please do.
19:07 slef Brooke: you might be right now, or at least there will be soon.
19:08 * Brooke nods.
19:08 slef Any first suggestions for a time/date? Give me 5 and I'll run a poll.
19:09 slef OK, I'll pull 5 out of my nose
19:09 mle wednesdays at 18:00
19:10 slef mle: UTC, BST or what? ;)
19:10 mle BST ; )
19:10 cait heh
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19:10 cait wednesday is fine for me
19:10 cait will be travelling until tuesday
19:10 mle great
19:11 Brooke #info KohaCon meetings Wednesdays at 18.00 mebbe
19:11 Brooke anything else on KohaCon
19:11 Brooke ?
19:11 slef ok any more suggestions? I expect wed 19:00 UTC to be popular here, as it's roughly when we're all here.
19:11 slef Not unless anyone has more questions?
19:11 rangi that is i think 7am thursday for me
19:11 rangi which is good
19:12 sekjal btw, nengard says she accepts 3.10 Doc Manager
19:12 Brooke eggsellent.
19:12 mle thd: kohacon12ATsoftwareDOTcoop should be operational now.  numbers, questions etc.
19:12 rangi sweet
19:12 rangi nengard++
19:13 Brooke #topic GBSW
19:13 Topic for #koha is now GBSW
19:13 Brooke It's Global Bug Squashing Week
19:13 Brooke grab a sandbox
19:13 Brooke squash things.
19:13 rangi kristina did a nice post about it
19:13 sekjal lots of signoffs and QA passings so far this week
19:13 sekjal more to come
19:13 Brooke if you don't link it, it doesn't exist ;)
19:13 slef why do my sandboxes always fill with quicksand and eat me?
19:14 rangi[…]1/squashing-bugs/
19:14 cait yes
19:14 cait even with all the hackfest librarians
19:14 cait there are sitll a lot of things to be tested
19:14 cait and bugs to be squashed
19:15 cait I started looking through the list of critical bugs soome days ago
19:15 cait there is lots of work to do!
19:15 rangi yep
19:15 sekjal hourly loans is nearly ready
19:15 rangi yay!
19:15 cait please don't only focus on ne features (I know we all love them) - but also look out for bugs to be fixed!
19:16 cait and tested... and so on
19:16 sekjal I've got a patch ready to test that should fix the suspension in days issues found at hackfest
19:16 rangi sweet, i still cant replicate the renewal issue
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19:16 Brooke speak of the devil :D
19:16 sekjal rangi: nor I
19:16 cait hm
19:16 cait itemlevel itypes?
19:16 cait not sure
19:16 cait or something else being different?
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19:17 anitsirk hi Brooke. :-)
19:17 anitsirk .. and all others
19:17 tajoli hi all
19:18 cait hi anitsirk :)
19:18 anitsirk hi cait
19:18 cait hi zeno - back home?
19:18 Brooke so moving on
19:18 tajoli yes
19:18 tajoli just arrive
19:18 Brooke #topic Actions from Last Meeting
19:18 Topic for #koha is now Actions from Last Meeting
19:18 Brooke there's not much meat there
19:19 Brooke there were a few things discussed over the lists, which I think is good
19:19 Brooke because there definitely seems like there was less minutia in this meeting, which is also happy
19:20 thd :)
19:20 Brooke any other old business apart from me?
19:20 Brooke #topic Miscellaneous
19:20 Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous
19:20 Brooke any general stuff?
19:20 * mle chuckles
19:21 Brooke #topic Time and Date of Next General Meeting
19:21 Topic for #koha is now Time and Date of Next General Meeting
19:21 Brooke so the request was for before 23 april
19:22 Brooke which I think we can do
19:22 Brooke we might even have 2 in april if folks feel the need
19:22 Brooke so we can have one for nominations and one for actual voting
19:22 Brooke or not
19:22 Brooke whatevs.
19:22 cait not sure
19:22 Brooke 4 April is the first Wednesday
19:22 Brooke conflicts on that?
19:22 cait should work for me
19:23 sekjal sound workable to me
19:23 rangi email about roles needs to go out asap then
19:23 tajoli for me +1
19:23 rangi to give time for ppl to talk to husbands, wives, bosses etc
19:23 slef NAFAIK. 10am UTC?
19:23 Brooke next one is meant to be 10.00 UTC
19:23 Brooke rangi are you volunteering to do that?
19:23 rangi no
19:23 Brooke cause if not, we need someone to
19:24 Brooke #help someone send a reminder like yesterday about roles to be filled for next meeting
19:24 Brooke so proper vote please
19:24 Brooke next meeting
19:24 wahanui next meeting is 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0
19:25 Brooke 4 April 10 UTC
19:25 slef wahanui: forget next meeting
19:25 wahanui slef: I forgot next meeting
19:25 Brooke +1 for this is good with you
19:25 slef +1
19:25 rangi +1
19:25 * thd exempts himself from email writing as he departs the city for a few days in search of cold weather.
19:25 wizzyrea +1
19:25 thd +1
19:26 mtj +1
19:26 cait +1
19:27 Brooke #agreed Time and Date of Next General Meeting is 4 April 10.00 UTC
19:27 Brooke #endmeeting
19:27 Topic for #koha is now General IRC Meeting 21 March 18.00 UTC
19:27 huginn Meeting ended Wed Mar 21 19:26:49 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)
19:27 huginn Minutes:[…]-03-21-18.00.html
19:27 huginn Minutes (text):[…]2-03-21-18.00.txt
19:27 huginn Log:  […]21-18.00.log.html
19:27 Brooke hooray I'm free. :D
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19:28 anitsirk you did a good job from what i saw, Brooke :-)
19:28 * Brooke blushes.
19:28 mtj cheers Brooke, very smooth !
19:28 Brooke ta
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19:28 druthb Brooke++
19:28 data_doctor talkulater!
19:28 thd Brooke only does a less than good job when absent.
19:29 slef coding guidelines?
19:29 * druthb pauses to try to parse thd's statement, then agrees with him.
19:29 slef wahanui: guidelines?
19:29 wahanui slef: wish i knew
19:29 slef wahanui: you swine
19:29 wahanui slef: huh?
19:29 slef coding guidelines are[…]Coding_Guidelines
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19:33 rangi minutes updated, and next meeting page made
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19:33 rangi[…]ing,_4_April_2012
19:33 slef shall I mail out about Roles?
19:33 rangi so someone can do that email now
19:33 rangi yay slef :)
19:35 Brooke yes thanks slef
19:36 cait slef++
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19:37 slef rangi: 1-:00 UTC, really? ;-)
19:39 rangi he
19:39 Brooke hi kathryn
19:39 rangi h
19:39 rangi close enough
19:39 rangi fixed
19:39 kathryn hi brooke : )
19:41 slef mail sent
19:41 rangi thanks
19:41 rangi slef++
19:43 libsysguy chat log
19:43 libsysguy log?
19:43 wahanui log is at
19:44 mle anyone want travel help from london to edinburgh?  I can help you book tickets. if we book in the next few days some cheap ones may still be available.
19:44 slef see if you can spot where the mail text came from :)
19:45 slef mle: I'm thinking that travel info and an "ask us" form on might be worthwhile.
19:45 rangi mle: im flying in
19:45 rangi so any tips from getting from the airport into the general conf vicinity would be handy
19:45 mle slef just reminding folk that the cheap train tickets need to be booked asap
19:45 rangi also, pre paid sim cards .. with data plans
19:46 slef mle: I'm guessing booking at is the cheapest trains London-Edinburgh? Web-only fares, collect at King's Cross departure gates.
19:46 rangi they are able to be bought easily?
19:46 mle rangi we can check that
19:46 rangi thanks mle
19:46 slef rangi: yes, walk into shops. Good to check for best deals closer to the time.
19:46 rangi cool
19:46 jcamins rangi: getting from EDI airport to the city is very easy.
19:47 rangi yay!
19:47 * slef did this for a prepaid internet dongle just before Christmas.
19:48 cait :)
19:48 slef mle: "Tickets are now available for travel up to and including Friday 08 June 2012, Click below to get ticket alerts" on so I guess it's not quite time to book if you want to return after hackfest.
19:48 cait also flying in
19:48 cait all booked
19:48 slef cait: to EDI?
19:48 cait yes
19:48 cait via amsterdam
19:48 slef KLM?
19:48 cait from zürich
19:48 cait yes
19:49 slef cool, not used them for years
19:49 cait I flew to marseille with them last year
19:49 cait was ok
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19:50 jcamins KLM is great for EDI-NYC.
19:51 rangi eythian and I are coming in on singapore (then i guess BA)
19:51 rangi same day as cait
19:51 cait yep about 2 hours later than me
19:51 rangi so we will probably travel from the airport together
19:51 cait or 1?
19:51 cait can't remember, but will probably be well rested and wait for the 2 tired nzers
19:53 rangi we'll have been travelling for 40+ hours
19:53 rangi so will probably be zombies
19:53 rangi so someone awake would be helpful
19:54 cait :)
19:54 cait I will be glad
19:54 cait to help
19:54 kathryn hi cait - he he good luck with that!
19:54 cait I had jo picking me up from the airport in wellington
19:54 cait and was soooo glad to see her
19:54 cait I asked her later how she recognized me
19:54 cait I think she said something like I looked most tired and glad to be finally there
19:54 jcamins cait: I suggest you hold up a sign that says "WELCOME TO [SOMEWHERE-NOT-EDINBURGH]"
19:55 cait lol
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20:06 libsysguy sekjal i've been gone most of the day...did I miss anything in regards to 5549?
20:07 sekjal libsysguy:  I just sent rangi my patch
20:07 sekjal fixes suspension in days, and that 'inverse' bug
20:08 libsysguy eek i better send rangi my patch as well
20:09 rangi you better!
20:09 rangi whats your patch for libsysguy ?
20:09 sekjal there are going to be some merge conflicts rebasing this branch for latest master
20:09 sekjal one in
20:10 libsysguy I found an error in circ/ during dropbox mode
20:10 libsysguy didn't know where the format_date function was
20:10 sekjal a small one in catalogue/, and (of course)
20:10 sekjal libsysguy:  I fixed that!
20:10 rangi ill rebase it too and push it
20:10 libsysguy dang it sekjal
20:10 libsysguy rangi ignore my email
20:11 rangi actually no i wont
20:11 rangi ill merge from master
20:11 libsysguy sekjals skill is far superior to mine
20:11 sekjal sorry, libsysguy, I thought it was a bug I'd made
20:11 rangi rebasing breaks history, and will make it a mess for anyone who has pulled that branch
20:11 libsysguy it might have been, I checked out and was testing
20:11 rangi so ill just merge master in and fix conflicts and push it
20:12 sekjal there is also a DB rev number issue in the code pushed for 7301
20:12 sekjal erk, 7310
20:12 mtj chat log?
20:12 wahanui chat log is
20:13 rangi sekjal: the patch from libsysguy guy arrived .. which i ignore right? but no sign of yours yet
20:13 jcamins logs?
20:13 wahanui logs are at
20:14 rangi same site
20:14 rangi just in case you were wondering
20:14 rangi my computer at home :)
20:14 libsysguy yes rangi ignore mine
20:15 jcamins rangi: I didn't notice that wahanui had responded, but early I saw him not respond to "chat log," only to "logs."
20:15 sekjal rangi:  blast, my laptop is not set up right
20:15 jcamins *earlier
20:15 mtj logs?
20:15 wahanui logs are at
20:16 mtj logs?
20:16 wahanui somebody said logs was
20:16 rangi sekjal: can you push it somewhere and ill cherry-pick ?
20:16 rangi if thats easier
20:16 sekjal rangi: sent another way
20:16 sekjal will show up as attached patch file
20:17 rangi sweet as
20:17 rangi brb getting coffee
20:20 sekjal rangi:  actually, hang on
20:20 sekjal libsysguy's patch fixed dropboxmode
20:20 sekjal mine fixed debar date
20:21 sekjal so we'll conflict on [% USE KohaDates %], but otherwise, both patches should be necessary
20:21 rangi right ill do both then :)
20:22 libsysguy sweet!
20:22 sekjal I think I need a nap
20:22 libsysguy brb
20:22 sekjal or a beer
20:25 sekjal oh, geeze, 34 bugs in the QAQ
20:25 sekjal I had it so well under control!
20:26 rangi right applying patches now
20:31 rangi pushed .. now im gonna merge master in .. and push again
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20:37 rangi ok
20:37 rangi pushed
20:37 cait yay :)
20:38 libsysguy_afk yayy
20:39 libsysguy is the hackfest over
20:39 cait no not yet
20:39 cait only sleeping :)
20:39 cait lasts until friday
20:39 jcamins Sleep?
20:39 jcamins There's no sleep during the hackfest!
20:39 libsysguy Koha never sleeps
20:39 sekjal rangi: pulled
20:39 jcamins You should be doing relaxing hacking!
20:39 sekjal looks good
20:39 wizzyrea get more caffiene!
20:39 rangi excellent
20:39 wizzyrea wait.
20:39 wizzyrea no.
20:39 wizzyrea 3x days of hackfest... it's prolly time for a break. :)
20:40 jcamins "This is your code."
20:40 jcamins "This is your code on caffeine."
20:40 jcamins lol
20:40 * sekjal needs some caffeine.... serious conference fatigue setting in
20:40 cait jcamins: I am
20:40 cait putting in ids and classes into cataloguing
20:40 wizzyrea oy there is nothing worse than conference caffiene
20:40 jcamins :)
20:40 wizzyrea wait
20:40 cait and I have decided that the class will be named cat
20:40 wizzyrea conference fatigue
20:40 cait because we need more cats in koha ;)
20:40 rangi heh
20:40 wizzyrea hehe
20:40 jcamins cait++
20:43 sekjal I'm going to take a break.  hopefully I'll be back on later this evening to clean out more of the QAQ
20:45 sekjal later, all
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20:52 rangi heya jransom
20:54 cait hi jransom :)
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21:00 rangi slef: thanks for testing bug 7613
21:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , OCLC Connexion Gateway
21:02 cait hm
21:02 cait moveitem lives in cataloguing... but for styling... perhaps more catalog?
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21:05 rangi hmm
21:05 rangi yeah
21:05 cait same for link item?
21:06 rangi i think so
21:07 cait k
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21:11 cait circ is next
21:11 rangi yay for styling the intranet!
21:11 cait lol
21:12 cait there has been some work done by gaetan and asaurat on the start page today
21:13 rangi awesome
21:14 cait :)
21:18 * magnuse waves
21:18 bag heya magnuse
21:18 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
21:18 bag heh
21:18 magnuse hehe
21:18 magnuse hiya bag
21:18 jransom heya all
21:19 jcamins Mmm. Pizza. I look forward to pizza Friday in nine days.
21:19 magnuse kia ora jransom!!!
21:19 rangi hey magnuse :)
21:20 jransom magnus :)
21:20 magnuse hiya rangi
21:20 * magnuse is on the 20th floor of a hotel in stavanger :-)
21:20 magnuse @wunder stavanger
21:20 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Stavanger, Norway is 8.0°C (9:50 PM CET on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Steady).
21:20 jransom rangi: discoverd the root of a bad bug fix was me giving giving bad instructions ... having to apologise profusely now to cjh
21:23 rangi hehe :)
21:23 rangi programmers
21:23 rangi we do what you say
21:23 rangi not what you mean :)
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21:23 * cjh is enjoying not being a *complete* idiot
21:26 gmcharlt programmers: we sometimes mistake ourselves for being the computers ;)
21:27 * wizzyrea does a doubletake
21:27 cait heya gmcharlt :)
21:27 wizzyrea hi gmcharlt
21:27 gmcharlt howdy
21:27 wahanui privet, gmcharlt
21:27 jransom lol - poor cjh and its about time you lot learnt to read librarisn minds and not rely on what we write
21:27 wizzyrea take a screenshot!
21:27 wizzyrea ^.^
21:28 jransom wonders if the rst of the world knows about bucklame
21:28 gmcharlt oh, I'm quite sure it's harmless
21:28 cait hey eythian in bucklame
21:29 cait this part of the world does :)
21:29 gmcharlt but in this case, I have to prove to the customer that it is
21:29 gmcharlt heh, wrong window - ignore any discussion of harmful kitties ;)
21:29 rangi hehe
21:31 slef rangi: no problem. I'm in that bit of the code this weekk.
21:32 jcamins gmcharlt: bag was looking for you.
21:32 bag no not really - but hi gmcharlt
21:33 slef anyone know if I can lengthen my login timeout on the wiki, or if a sysadmin (gmcharlt? thd?) can?
21:33 slef it's rather irritating going afk for an hour, then having to log in again
21:34 slef jcamins: how does one reach the city from Edinburgh Airport then?
21:35 jcamins slef: these are the directions from the international arrivals area. Domestic arrivals are slightly closer, I think.
21:35 jcamins When you come through customs, there is a clearly marked exit on your right.
21:35 jcamins Ignore it.
21:35 jcamins If you go out that door, you will get hopelessly lost and confused.
21:36 jcamins Walk straight by it, between the car rental stand and the exchange place.
21:36 jcamins It's not a very long walk, but you do want to walk up a bit.
21:36 jcamins (inside the terminal)
21:37 jcamins Eventually you reach a bank of doors. I think there are three. Go out.
21:37 jcamins You should see the big blue Airlink buses.
21:38 jcamins There's also a sign that says "Fly by bus."
21:38 jcamins Go up to the bus.
21:38 slef jcamins: that the one that drops you at Waverley Bridge?
21:38 jcamins slef: yeah.
21:38 slef jcamins: cool, thanks.
21:39 jcamins slef: you're welcome.
21:39 jcamins Actually, I think the last time I was there they even had a kiosk selling tickets.
21:39 jcamins (under the big sign that said "Fly by bus")
21:39 slef jcamins: when do these details date from?
21:40 jcamins slef: 2009.
21:40 jcamins So, I guess it's been a while, at this point.
21:40 jcamins The bus page is
21:40 cait wow
21:40 cait you have an amazing memory
21:41 jcamins cait: did I mention that the flight attendents between AMS and EDI knew me?
21:41 wizzyrea later peeps
21:41 cait ?
21:41 cait later wizzyrea :)
21:41 rangi cya wizzyrea
21:41 jcamins cait: because I flew so often!
21:41 slef jcamins: OK if I post that to the wiki?
21:43 jcamins slef: sure, go ahead.
21:43 jcamins Other people may not be so confused if they go out the first door.
21:43 jcamins I sure was, though.
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21:53 slef[…]mmary#Travel_Tips updated
21:55 rangi cool
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21:57 mbalmer evening, koha..
21:59 cait good night #koha
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22:00 mbalmer heh, shift change ;)
22:01 mbalmer jcamins, replied to your worries.
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22:04 jcamins mbalmer: I don't think your reply attached.
22:04 mbalmer my hotel wifi is shaky, to say the least...
22:05 mbalmer in short, it's teh least invasice approach and a generic solution (aka sth from CPAN) won't work.
22:06 mbalmer Koha as is, is deeply MySQLified.
22:06 jcamins mbalmer: why won't a generic solution work?
22:07 mbalmer so it's not enough for other DBs to create a functional equivalent, it has to be functional equivalent and mimick MySQL (which is wrong on son many levels, of course)
22:08 jcamins mbalmer: wouldn't it be better to work to actually eliminate MySQLisms?
22:08 mbalmer jcamins, just look how "SHOW COLUMS FROM" in C4/ImportExport…. is being used.
22:08 mbalmer It totally ecpects a MySQL result.
22:08 mbalmer bad code...
22:09 jcamins mbalmer: okay, so why don't we fix the code?
22:09 mbalmer dunno.  we provide a solution.
22:10 jcamins With the long term goal being stability, sustainability, and general good quality, that would seem preferable.
22:10 mbalmer minimally invasive.
22:10 mbalmer yeah, long term goals...
22:10 jcamins Minimally invasive is good, but then we end up with things like SQL Helper.
22:11 mbalmer did you actually look at what we proposed?
22:11 jcamins mbalmer: I did.
22:11 mbalmer and, you are against it?
22:12 jcamins Not categorically, I just don't see enough benefit to justify writing our own special-purpose DBI layer.
22:12 mbalmer you have stock in MySQL ? ;)
22:12 mbalmer I see A LOT OF BENEFIT in this solution.
22:12 mbalmer and it is not a DBI layer.
22:12 rangi if its in capitals it must be true
22:13 mbalmer comeon, you know exactly what this is about.  generating SQL fragment for the DB in use, not more, not less.
22:13 mbalmer It is not even a layer of abstraction imo.
22:14 mbalmer rangi, it's only louder, not truer ;)
22:14 jcamins mbalmer: that's probably why I look at it and don't think it's a good idea while you look at it and think it is. Having read through the code, I would consider it a special-purpose abstraction layer.
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22:15 oleonard bag around?
22:15 bag we are on it oleonard
22:15 mbalmer jcamins, well we can wait forever to support postgresql.  here is a solution that works, that is clean and easy to understand, and which does the job right.
22:15 bag :D
22:15 oleonard Gotcha, thanx
22:16 bag been watching it for a bit now ;)
22:16 bag looks to be OOM...
22:16 mbalmer and it does not need us to changed the DB stuff to much or apply a complete new paradigm.
22:17 jcamins And if I'm abstracting things, I want something truly abstract.
22:17 jcamins So when next-cool-RDMS comes along, *I* don't have to do the work to support it.
22:17 jcamins mbalmer: provided the work doesn't break existing functionality, I don't suppose I really care that much.
22:17 mbalmer it does not break existing stuff.  that was one of the prerequisites.
22:18 mbalmer and it's really a baby-steps approach
22:18 jcamins Oh, one other requirement from me: it has to be not horrible to maintain.
22:21 mbalmer sorry, we can't accomplish that, since it has to be written in Perl ;P
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22:21 mbalmer jokes aside, it even comes with a unit test
22:23 mbalmer any of the Marseille guys around?
22:24 bag rangi I think I got you beat with weather today
22:24 eythian_bucklame it's 11.25pm there, so probably not so much
22:24 bag @wunder 93109
22:24 rangi highly likely
22:24 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 20.5°C (3:23 PM PDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
22:24 rangi @wunder nzwn
22:24 bag ouch 20C
22:24 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
22:24 eythian_bucklame @wunder auckland,nz
22:24 huginn eythian_bucklame: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 21.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
22:25 bag oh eythian_bucklame with the close win
22:25 bag .5 ahead
22:25 eythian_bucklame of course, we had subtropical type rains yesterday. Quite nice now though.
22:26 oleonard mbalmer, I'm around for a moment
22:26 oleonard ...not that I have anything to bring to your discussion
22:27 mbalmer oleanard, just make sure noone never orders Andouillette in a restaurant, it's horrible...
22:27 mbalmer that was a local marseille announcement only ;)
22:28 mbalmer tomorrow I plan to work on the SIP server
22:28 * oleonard Googles Andouillette, and finds the second result refer to it as "French Pig-Colon Sausage"
22:29 oleonard Wow, it really sounds horrible!
22:29 mbalmer yeah, it is.
22:29 mbalmer I needed a strong Cognac after it ;)
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22:30 mbalmer been here, done that, tried andouillette ;)
22:30 bag oh yeah oleonard - back up :)
22:36 oleonard ?
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22:36 Judit hi
22:36 wahanui hey, Judit
22:39 magnuse hiya Judit
22:41 mbalmer what you using as self checkout hardware? and what os?
22:42 mbalmer what _are_ you using ...
22:43 rangi so Koha uses DBI already right
22:43 rangi and DBI has column_info
22:44 rangi so thats show columns done for all RDBMS supported by DBI
22:44 rangi has tables() too
22:44 rangi for a list of table names
22:44 mbalmer if only it was used that way in Koha
22:45 rangi well how about instead of doing tableColumns
22:45 rangi in DBQ
22:45 rangi in 2 ways 1 for postgres and one for mysql
22:45 Judit is there a list somewhere with the official supported browsesr for koha
22:45 rangi just do it one way .. using DBI
22:46 oleonard Judit, Any modern browser other than Internet Explorer (for the staff client)
22:46 mbalmer as we said many times, we want a minimal invasive solution.
22:46 jcamins Judit: there is not, but basically any recent browsers that aren't IE should work. :)
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22:46 oleonard Judit, And any modern browser for the OPAC
22:46 rangi how is that more invasive?
22:46 mbalmer we just change the SQL, nothing more.
22:46 rangi we already have a DBI handle
22:46 rangi you must be changing somehting to call tableColumns
22:47 mbalmer and we just make sure the SQL works.  No other changes.
22:47 rangi else whats the point
22:47 rangi oh look you do
22:47 rangi -            my $query = 'SHOW COLUMNS FROM ' . $table;
22:47 rangi -            my $sth = $dbh->prepare($query);
22:47 rangi +            my $dbq = C4::DBQ->dbq;
22:47 rangi +            my $sth = $dbh->prepare($dbq->tableColumns($table));
22:47 rangi now why not have tableColumns work in a Database independent manner, instead of just for 2 db's ?
22:48 Judit thanks
22:48 mbalmer it is DB independent.
22:48 rangi only if your db is postgres or mysql
22:48 mbalmer we just provide two implementations, more can be added.
22:48 rangi look
22:48 rangi if you just use column_info
22:49 * oleonard heads for bed... luckily in this room it's not far!
22:49 rangi you'd have 16
22:49 mbalmer unrealistic.
22:49 mbalmer Koha is MySQL only.
22:49 rangi ok i give up
22:49 rangi if you want to reimplement
22:49 rangi go for it
22:50 rangi im just pointing out a 3 line change would make your patch now be able to show columns for 16 databases not just 2
22:50 mbalmer you don't see the real problem.
22:50 rangi yes im stupid
22:50 rangi youve told me that before
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22:51 mbalmer it makes no sense to discuss with you.  whenever you are ready to enter a technical discussion, please tell me.
22:51 rangi *sigh*
22:52 rangi i gave you code snippets .. but whatever im done
22:52 rangi sekjal: you back again?
22:52 bag heya sekjal
22:52 sekjal rangi, bag:  yes, I'm back
22:53 sekjal can't stay away from #koha!
22:53 bag sekjal++
22:53 bag awesome!
22:53 bag it's better than drugs, MAN
22:53 magnuse yeah man, like totally
22:54 mbalmer rangi, even if the SQL statements are DB independent, Koha still expects MySQL results.  Which is wrong on so many levels.  E.g. it expects a column 'Field' as result of 'SHOW COLUMNS FROM'.  That is non-portable, to say the least.
22:55 rangi i understand that
22:55 rangi thats why i propose making it use DBI->table_info and DBI->column_info
22:55 mbalmer so we made the PostgreSQL part return that information like it came from MySQL, as 'Field'
22:55 rangi fwiw when i first wrote koha, it was written on postgres mysql support came later
22:56 rangi and then the postgres ssupport got broken
22:56 rangi but I use postgres at work on a daily basis, and I like it better than mysql
22:56 rangi but i think that DBI has a routine to get column names that is db independent
22:56 mbalmer rangi, yes, in the end that is what needs to be done.  DBQ just enables us to use PostgreSQL right now without to many changes.  In the end, the DB layer has to be reworked a bit.
22:56 rangi and that we could just make your tableNames a wrapper to that
22:58 mbalmer stephane and I wanted to make the bare minimum to make it DB indepdendent.  of course you are right that in the end proper DBI usage is what we want.
22:59 * rangi goes to get coffee
22:59 mbalmer In the long term, C4::DBQ has no business in Koha.  It is really a transition vehicle, imo.
22:59 * sekjal is catching up... so this is all in regards to the work for bug 7365?
22:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Koha uses MySQL
23:00 magnuse mbalmer: would "proper DBI usage" be much harder to implement than C4::DBQ?
23:00 mbalmer sekjal, yes. and also look at the wiki page.
23:00 mbalmer magnuse, we think yes.
23:01 mbalmer we really wanted to be minimally invasive.  just do the very basic changes needed.
23:01 sekjal mbalmer:  reading...
23:02 mbalmer it's incomplete, of course.
23:04 mbalmer even if we make the database layer DB independent, the upper layers of Koha still often expect MySQL results, that is part of the problem (or fun…)
23:05 sekjal I'm seeing 8 C4 modules that have some kind of "show columns from" call
23:05 sekjal most of them are on-offs, except
23:05 rangi they all seem to want an array of column names
23:06 rangi so if tableNames used column_info to do that .. could junk all of those ?
23:06 * jcamins has found a kitchen scale. :D
23:06 rangi baking jcamins ?
23:06 jcamins Apparently there are kitchen scales that support baker's percentages directly!
23:07 Judit u
23:07 Judit can i have one
23:07 Judit please
23:07 cjh bakers percentages?
23:07 jcamins rangi: not until we've moved, but the kitchen scale isn't moving with us, so I need a new one.
23:07 * cjh runs off to google
23:07 rangi ahhh
23:07 mbalmer even worse, in one place DESCRIBE is used, discarding all results, then SHOW COLUMNS FROM.  Some of the SQL code is really funky.
23:07 jcamins mbalmer: those are bugs. They need fixing, regardless of postgres/mysql use.
23:07 mbalmer ack.
23:08 mbalmer and it's part of our patch, btw.
23:08 jcamins cjh: baker's percentages are awesome. Much easier than anything else.
23:08 cjh jcamins: if im reading this right it uses the quantity of flour as the base unit and then gives everything else relatively?
23:08 sekjal oh, nix that, 7 C4 modules... C4/ has that area commented out
23:09 mbalmer so.  midnight here, need to catch some zzz .  cu tomorrow.
23:09 sekjal goodnight, mbalmer
23:09 mbalmer gn8 all!
23:09 sekjal oh, actually, 6... Auth_with_ldap uses that in it's docs, not the code
23:10 cjh bakers units make scaling the recipe easy :o
23:10 cjh and by units, i mean percentages.
23:10 jcamins cjh: right.
23:12 jcamins cjh: and given that I bake... a lot... when I'm baking, that's useful.
23:12 eythian_bucklame just so long as the flours isn't measured in furlongs, or whatever you people use :)
23:12 eythian_bucklame *flour
23:12 cjh heh
23:12 Judit i hate the cup
23:12 Judit so unclear
23:12 cjh but guessing is fun :p
23:12 Judit and there is australian cup and US cup
23:13 jcamins Judit: exactly!
23:13 Judit gram is the only sensible way
23:13 Judit unfortunately most of the population thinks otherwise
23:13 eythian_bucklame and the liquid cup, and the fluffy cup, and the Elbonian cup...
23:13 jcamins Judit: and with my new kitchen scale, I will be able to use it!
23:13 eythian_bucklame and the gold cup
23:14 jcamins (the gram, that is)
23:15 Judit eythian :D
23:15 jcamins Kitchen scale ordered.
23:15 Judit which one?
23:15 wahanui it has been said that which one is it
23:15 Judit the baker percentage scale?
23:15 jcamins[…]top/dp/B001NE0FU2
23:15 jcamins Yup.
23:16 Judit ah
23:21 * jcamins taps his foot impatiently waiting for his new scale to arrive.
23:21 jcamins It'll just be another week or so.
23:21 Judit :)
23:22 Judit until then, you can start collecting recipes
23:22 jcamins Judit: yay!
23:23 Judit i have just amde a rosemary quince cake th eother day
23:23 jcamins Rosemary quince cake?
23:23 jcamins That sounds delicious.
23:23 Judit very interesting
23:23 Judit and delicious
23:24 jcamins Like this:[…]ipped-cream-1222/ ?
23:25 jcamins Hm. Doing that without a spring form pan would be rather difficult.
23:25 Judit it is not
23:25 Judit and vanilla is not for quince
23:26 jcamins Judit: no? I'd think it'd stick something awful.
23:27 Judit well i used one of those silicon "papers"
23:27 Judit and the butter and almond makes it pretty oily too
23:27 jcamins Ah, that makes sense.
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23:28 Judit aand, april is chestnut picking month here: quince and chestnut soup…..
23:29 jcamins Mmm.
23:30 * magnuse finally got around to writing the README for his little project at
23:33 jcamins Woohoo!
23:33 jcamins magnuse++
23:34 magnuse yay :-)
23:36 chris_n` joined #koha
23:39 rangi magnuse++
23:39 sekjal magnuse++  this looks like something I'd like to play with
23:39 magnuse sekjal: feel free ;-)
23:40 sekjal I want to compile information about my library objects from multiple sources, since some places do some things better than others
23:41 magnuse sekjal: then linked data/RDF is your friend
23:42 chris_n` joined #koha
23:43 magnuse oops, my nightly cronjobs are kicking in - time to bid you all a good night!
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23:54 sekjal wow, lots of t/db_dependent failures on current master
23:54 rangi you have the sample db installed ?
23:55 rangi ouch
23:55 rangi yeah
23:55 rangi 7310
23:55 rangi bug 7310
23:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---,, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
23:55 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Build/testReport/
23:56 jcamins Ouch!
23:57 jcamins I wonder why... when I signed off, all the tests passed.
23:57 jcamins Granted, that was a month ago.
23:57 rangi it could be db on jenkins
23:57 sekjal rangi:  no, not running sample db... using wizzyrea's
23:58 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]n_we_should__73_/
23:58 sekjal I've fixed the Acquistions error.. patch is on bug 5347
23:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , late order management
23:59 jcamins All tests in virtualshelves.t pass for me.
23:59 rangi ill check the db on jenkins
23:59 rangi after i eat my sushi

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