IRC log for #koha, 2012-03-22

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00:00 sekjal ah, interesting... BackgroundJob fails if your DB isn't up to date
00:00 sekjal ... and so did VirtualShelves
00:00 sekjal I've learned something
00:01 rangi that'll be it
00:01 sekjal okay, so only db_dependent test to fix is Acquisitions, and that's already written
00:02 * jcamins wanders off.
00:03 rangi DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't create table 'koha.virtualshelfshares' (errno: 150) at ./installer/data/mysql/ line 4984.
00:03 rangi that'll be the issue
00:05 rangi foreign key
00:11 sekjal hmmm, should t/db_dependent/Ratings.t depend on the test DB... none of the other tests seem to
00:14 rangi !jenkins buld Koha_master now
00:14 jenkins_koha rangi did you mean me? Unknown command 'buld'
00:14 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
00:14 rangi !jenkins build Koha_master now
00:14 jenkins_koha rangi: job Koha_master build scheduled now
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00:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #671 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #668 9 h 58 mn ago)
00:32 rangi sekjal: thats on a patch right?
00:32 rangi found it
00:32 sekjal k
00:33 rangi hmm
00:35 rangi yeah
00:35 rangi it does depend on a biblio existing
00:35 rangi and a borrower .. the sample db has borrowers but no biblio's
00:35 rangi heh biblios
00:36 rangi so yeah that test will fail on the sample db that ships with koha
00:36 rangi was that what you were asking?
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00:47 Oak kia ora #koha
00:47 rangi hi Oak
00:47 Oak hello rangi
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00:58 rangi sup libsysguy
00:59 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
00:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #671: FIXED in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/671/
00:59 libsysguy sup rangi
01:00 sekjal rangi: sorry, distracted.  I was curious about whether we should require a specific db installed in order to make db_dependent tests work
01:01 rangi the plan was to make them work with the sample files that come with koha .. but im not sure thats feasible .. however having some sample biblio and circ rules would mean that if you did install the sample files you would have a koha that you could actually evaluate a bit better
01:01 rangi so getting the stuff in the sample db .. does have a positive side effect
01:02 rangi install sample records and items
01:02 rangi install sample circulation rules
01:02 rangi etc
01:02 sekjal so should I add a SKIP wrapper to the Ratings.t, so the tests won't fail outright if the data isn't there to do the test?
01:03 rangi actually thats a darn good idea, for 5549 too
01:03 Oak sekjal++
01:04 Judit has anyone using  chinese zebra in a library with 2(or more) branches- chinese and english
01:04 rangi not me, but anthony mao might have
01:05 rangi there's a whole koha-taiwan user group
01:07 Judit we started to use chinese zebra, but is also modified our english seraches- no surprice there
01:07 Judit just want to understand a bit more
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01:43 Topic for #koha is now General IRC Meeting 21 March 18.00 UTC
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02:40 Brooke O/
02:40 rangi hi Brooke
02:41 Brooke howdy
02:44 Space_Librarian \o
02:45 Brooke :)
02:47 Space_Librarian ;)
02:47 Judit :D
02:51 Brooke smiles all round
03:06 Topic for #koha is now General IRC Meeting 4 April 10.00 UTC
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03:54 rangi go to sleep paul_p !
03:54 paul_p ;-)
03:55 paul_p can't sleep anymore (5AM)
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03:55 rangi gonna be a long day then :)
03:55 paul_p some count sheeps to sleep, I will push some patches instead :D
03:55 rangi heh
03:55 Judit :)
03:55 Brooke paul_p++
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03:56 paul_p count sheeps => is it a frenchism ?
03:56 rangi no -s
03:56 Brooke non
03:56 rangi sheep is plural and singular
03:56 Judit it is a humanism
03:56 Brooke or possibly the Kiwi way to aessess one's prospects.
03:56 * Brooke ducks.
03:56 rangi 87 bugs/enh pushed to master so far in march
03:56 Judit :D
03:57 rangi 104 passed qa
03:57 rangi and 146 signed off
03:57 kmkale OMG!! Looks like the meeting is still on! Lay off ppl..
03:58 rangi lol
03:58 Brooke hehehe
03:58 Brooke NEVAR
03:58 * Brooke sat a 17.5 hr. meeting once.
03:58 kmkale yikes
03:58 kmkale poor chair
03:58 kmkale ;)
03:58 Brooke thankfully I wasn't chair.
03:58 kmkale no I meant the furniture :)
03:59 Brooke went straight to lobbying from there, though
04:00 Brooke you might find this hard to believe, deary, but I was Ash's figure back then :P
04:01 Brooke rachel maddow!
04:01 kmkale Gotta go. BBL. /finds no problems with any figure
04:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #672 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
04:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7310 follow-up DBVersion was wrong <[…]81802861738df7ec4>
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04:12 eythian_ anyone have a guesstimate as to how many people are going to be at kohacon?
04:15 rangi not me
04:15 rangi total guess would be 80-100
04:15 rangi going on previous ones
04:15 eythian_ ok, cool
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04:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #672: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/672/
04:47 jenkins_koha paul.poulain: bug 7310 follow-up DBVersion was wrong
04:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---,, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
04:50 skk we upgraded our koha installation from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 then to 3.6.4 while running upgrade we had also ran command ./ and then we ran rebuild_Zebra command. We are unable to see all bound volumes data  after doing the upgrade. Can someone help us to know what has gone wrong.
04:51 skk when we checked in phpMyAdmin all these items are there in koha database. why are they not available in koha then neither from kohaadmin nor from OPAC. pl. help.
05:06 Judit1 you might one to do a full zebra rebuild
05:06 Judit1 i would start with that
05:06 skk yes i did that with ./ -b -a -r -v
05:07 Judit1 try this:
05:07 Judit1 " /etc/init.d/ stop"
05:07 Judit1 su koha
05:07 Judit1 export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
05:07 Judit1 export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
05:07 Judit1 export KOHA_CRON_PATH= /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs
05:07 Judit1 $KOHA_CRON_PATH/../migration_tools/ -a -r
05:07 Judit1 $KOHA_CRON_PATH/../migration_tools/ -b -x -r -v
05:07 Judit1 /etc/init.d/ start
05:07 Judit1 adjust the path!
05:08 skk ok let me try and get back to u i had started running ./ this to check if these biblios are missing by chance
05:08 ago43 skk: try running rebuild_zebra first with authorities: -r -w -v -v -a
05:09 ago43 then, separately biblios: -r -w -v -v -b -x
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05:22 anitsirk rangi, are you about?
05:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #673 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
05:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7771: "Notices" changed to "Notices & Slips" <[…]93a505178c8b53ac1> / Bug 7745: Wrong service name for CAS authentification <[…]9ad4a53c700df862a> / Bug 7753: serials-home displays library name instead of code <
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05:52 Oak kia ora #koha
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06:02 anitsirk hello Oak and Irma
06:02 Irma hi aitsirk and Oak
06:02 Irma how r u anitsirk?
06:02 anitsirk how's the fall weather in sydney, irma :-)
06:03 Irma sad sad indeed ... we have not really had a good summer :-(
06:03 Irma had to fetch a jumper this afternoon
06:04 Oak :)
06:04 anitsirk :-( it's been on and off drizzly for the last 3 days here.
06:04 anitsirk Irma: do you happen to know if there is a list of sample notices? i am attempting to test a bug but the sandboxes do not have the routling list notice configured. :-(
06:04 Irma where are you located Oak?
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06:04 marcelr morning
06:04 Oak Pakistan
06:04 anitsirk i couldn't find a link on the manual
06:04 anitsirk evening marcelr
06:04 marcelr :-)
06:04 anitsirk ;-)
06:05 Irma thanks Oak
06:05 Oak thanks Irma
06:05 Oak :)
06:05 Oak why thanks Irma ?
06:05 Irma anitsirk in the demo sites you will find some notices
06:05 anitsirk ah true. thanks. i'll check there.
06:06 Irma let me check our demo site
06:06 Irma which notice in particular r u looking for or does any do?
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06:07 Irma Oak thanks for your reply ...
06:08 Oak got it.
06:08 Oak just messing with you.
06:08 Oak hello cait.
06:08 Oak :) Guten Morgen
06:08 anitsirk Irma: i found the routing list notice.
06:08 anitsirk hello cait. you are up early. :-)
06:09 anitsirk cait: i'm getting started with bug 5841 that you suggested to rangi for me to test
06:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5841 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Routing slip not displaying publication date
06:09 Irma anitsirk Overdue notice[…]ulation&code=ODUE
06:10 Irma login anne pw koha
06:10 cait anitsirk: thank you :)
06:11 cait and hi Oak, Irma and anitsirk :)
06:12 anitsirk Irma: thank you. i needed the rlist. had a brain freeze for not thinking of a demo site.
06:12 Irma Bonjour cait
06:12 Irma Ca va a Marseilles?
06:12 Irma anitsirk ++
06:15 Irma Cait isn't it great to be with other Koha hackers and achieving real progress ...
06:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #673: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/673/
06:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7700: Cart's more details view shows identity numbers
06:17 jenkins_koha * matthias.meusburger: Bug 7300 : Show working branch suggestions by default
06:17 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7753: serials-home displays library name instead of code
06:17 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 7745: Wrong service name for CAS authentification
06:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7700 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Cart's more details view shows identity numbers
06:17 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7771: "Notices" changed to "Notices & Slips"
06:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , display suggestions from librarian library only by default
06:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7753 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , when displaying serials, library name should be showed and not code
06:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7745 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Using OPACBaseURL for CAS Authentication
06:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7771 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Different texts in the Notices & Slips page
06:17 anitsirk cait: are you already up for a question?
06:17 cait hm I think so
06:17 cait I am commenting about gst....
06:17 cait so it can't be worse :)
06:18 anitsirk hehe. nope i don't think so. ;-)
06:18 cait Irma: it is great :) and going over too fast - only today and tomorrow now :(
06:18 anitsirk on bug 5841 it says that the "publication date" should be printed. is that the date the issue was published or the date that the routing list was published?
06:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5841 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Routing slip not displaying publication date
06:19 Irma cait I know ;-( sorry for you ...
06:20 cait Irma: it's ok :)
06:20 cait anitsirk: I thin it refers to the issue
06:21 cait anitsirk: yep, the publication date of the issue  -it was on one slip but not on the other
06:21 cait anitsirk: so i made them the same
06:21 cait anitsirk: did you already add a subscription and a routing list to your test database?
06:21 anitsirk cait: ah ok. then i'll see that i change the date when the issue was received so i don't get confused
06:21 cait :)
06:22 anitsirk cait: yes. i'm on
06:22 cait ok
06:22 anitsirk if you want to join me there :-)
06:22 cait there are 2 ways to print the slips
06:22 cait that is basically the problem ,and one was missing a parameter
06:23 cait anitsirk: does my comment on bug 2865 make sense to you?
06:23 * cait is still waking up
06:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2865 major, P3, ---, chrish, Failed QA , Acquisitions: GST not calculating correctly.
06:24 cait huginn too it seems
06:24 huginn cait: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
06:24 cait !huginn botsnack cookie
06:24 cait huginn botsnack cookie
06:24 huginn cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes
06:24 cait hm.
06:25 anitsirk cait: makes sense to me.
06:25 cait ok :)
06:25 anitsirk cait: let me check way number 1 before getting to way number 2. still slow in finding my way around.
06:26 cait I get easily confused by all the calculatoins in acq
06:27 anitsirk every country is different...
06:27 cait yes, makes it even more fun
06:27 anitsirk cait: i see the publication date at[…]21%2F03%2F2012%29 and also in the preview of the routing slip.
06:27 cait and correct calculations are important in acq... so. arg.
06:28 cait what is the login for the sandbox?
06:28 anitsirk test / test
06:29 skk can someone help. I am struggling to see if my bound volumes records are visible in kohaadmin and OPAC. I ran upgrade from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4 and after reindexing zebra the bound volumes data is not visible. When i create a report of barcode and titles all the records are available but they are not available in search
06:29 anitsirk cait: with " Links in the table of issues on the serial collection page" do you mean[…]?subscriptionid=3 ?
06:29 cait hm
06:29 cait the links don't work too well I think
06:30 cait on the left sidebar
06:30 cait the link serial collection
06:30 anitsirk :-(
06:30 anitsirk cait: i always seem to see the arrival date
06:31 cait we will figure it out
06:31 cait click on the name of your subscription
06:31 cait the tabbed view
06:31 cait of all subscription information
06:31 cait are you there?
06:31 cait I think that is right then
06:31 cait I took the same infomration
06:31 cait from the slip where it showed
06:31 cait I used the same field - so it should be right
06:31 cait the complaint was it showed only on one
06:32 cait[…]?subscriptionid=3
06:32 cait if you are there
06:32 cait you can preview the slip following the steps from Edit routing list
06:32 anitsirk cait:
06:32 cait or you can click print list
06:32 cait and both should show the same date in ()
06:34 anitsirk yes. both have the same date, cait. does it matter that it is the arrival date of the issue and not the publication date of the issue?
06:34 cait I am not sure really
06:34 cait you could note it
06:34 cait and sign off saying it makes them the same but you are not sure if it should show another date?
06:34 cait and leave that for qa
06:34 cait i did this when I was searching for bugs I could solve
06:35 cait hm
06:35 cait from the code
06:35 cait it's the serialplanneddate
06:36 cait weird.
06:36 anitsirk yep sounds like it because that's the date you put into it. i'll add the note you suggested.
06:36 cait ok
06:36 anitsirk vielen dank, cait.
06:36 cait sorry, I think this is confusing
06:36 anitsirk yep, will say so.
06:36 cait no thanks to you :)
06:37 cait and perhaps we need to  hange it - but at least both slips will behave the same way now
06:37 cait I think there is a small typo on your testing report for 5354
06:37 cait For aqbooksellerid and aqbooksellerid, ... :)
06:39 cait only saying because perhaps they will ask about the second field
06:41 anitsirk ah thanks. will add a note once i'm done with this report.
06:44 anitsirk thanks for checking, cait. the second vendor id should have been the biblionumber
06:44 cait I have subscribed to the bugs list
06:44 cait which is going crazy these days :)
06:45 anitsirk oh i bet.
06:46 Irma **back in a while**
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06:48 anitsirk have a great day / afternoon / evening.
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07:08 skk 'can someone help. I am struggling to see if my bound volumes records are visible in kohaadmin and OPAC. I ran upgrade from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4 and after reindexing zebra some records are missing in kohaadmin and opac but when a report with barcode and title is printed those records are added in the report. why these records are not available in search
07:10 cait skk: did you run the script to remove the itmes from the records after updating from 3.2 to 3.4?
07:10 cait it's probably that or an indexing problem I think
07:10 skk yes i had done running script to remove items
07:10 cait sorry, I have to run, more people will be here later
07:11 skk ok tx
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07:39 mtj hmm, i seem to be hitting a stupid install/upgrade bug, of late....
07:41 mtj the problem seems to be, any minor db error in the upgrade causes the upgrade to loop, forever
07:43 mtj previously, these 'warning' type errors, would just print a warning in red, but the upgrade would succeed
07:44 mtj now, the upgrade seems to keep looping back to the previous 'you use must upgrade from 3.6.x to 3.6.y'  step
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07:48 alex_a hello #koha
07:48 Oak hi to hide subfields, i need to put -1 in hidden field?
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07:52 mtj Oak: i cant remember,  its in the manual
07:52 mtj manual?
07:52 wahanui manual is at
07:53 Oak yes yes found it :)
07:53 Oak cool
07:55 Oak and if I hide all the subfields of a tag, then during cataloging i am left with just the Tag of the field.
07:55 Oak Can I hide the Tag or do I have to delete it?
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07:55 oleonard Hi #koha
07:55 Oak hi oleonard
07:55 paul_p hi oleonard ;-) & all !
07:56 rangi morning marseille
07:56 Oak :)
07:56 paul_p new motto : "a good day is a day where the RM pushes at least 10 patches"
07:56 paul_p 3 already pushed today ;-)
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07:57 mtj Oak: hide it, dont delete it
07:58 mtj (is the rule for frameworks)
07:59 Oak how can I hide the main Tag? I see no option to do that. Let me see again...
08:00 rangi it owont show if you hide all the subfields
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08:01 Oak hm, cait said the same thing. i hid all the subfields, but i still see the main tag (246), and is clickable, and when clicked shows the hidden field.
08:01 reiveune hello
08:01 wahanui hello, reiveune
08:01 Oak or is it because i am logged as admin?
08:02 rangi that shouldn't matter
08:02 Oak hmm
08:03 rangi i use the dropdown to hide it
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08:03 rangi not the values (usually)
08:03 asaurat hi!
08:03 Oak here: /cgi-bin/koha/admin/marc_subfields_stru​ i see "hidden" for all fields in "constraints" column
08:05 rangi hmm
08:05 Oak rangi, the dropdown?
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08:08 rangi yeah you can choose which tab it shows on
08:08 Oak i put ah
08:09 Oak you choose "ignore"?
08:09 rangi yeah
08:09 rangi try that
08:09 Oak okay
08:10 Oak coool
08:10 Oak worked
08:10 Oak thank you rangi!
08:11 rangi 1no worries
08:11 rangi hmm bad typing tonight
08:12 Oak no worries :)
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08:23 oleonard Is there still a problem with translating <optgroup> ?
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08:23 Joubu hello
08:23 wahanui hola, Joubu
08:24 oleonard Oh, I guess not (Bug 3672)
08:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3672 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, labels of <optgroups> not translatable
08:29 marcelr hi oleonard! up for a small question on lists?
08:29 oleonard Yes
08:30 marcelr what about this: Permissions on lists: Do not allow anyone to remove his own contributed entries. Is that line understandable?
08:30 marcelr (working on showing the permissions for a list_
08:31 marcelr )
08:31 skk help pl. i am not getting bound volumes of few serials after upgrade from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4. these records are there in the database but they are not retrieved in search and when i run rebuildzebra it gives an error asMARC: Bad offsets in data. Skipping rest 13:56:37-22/03 zebraidx(29706) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number
08:32 rangi did you run it -b -x -r -v ?
08:32 skk yes did it several times
08:33 rangi definitely with the -x tho eh?
08:33 rangi that is the important bit
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08:36 marcelr oleonard: added a screenshot on 7310 to show what I meant
08:38 marcelr hi magnuse
08:39 magnuse hiya marcelr and #koha
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08:41 oleonard Sorry marcelr, got pulled away
08:41 marcelr added a screenshot
08:42 marcelr at bug 7310 to illustratie
08:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---,, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
08:42 skk no luck yet even after doing rebuild_zebra -b -x -r -v
08:43 rangi you might like to do a select marcxml from biblioitems where biblionumber=a number that you having problems with
08:43 rangi and check if it looks ok
08:43 oleonard marcelr, I'm confused about the first one actually. "[ Do not allow ] adding entries to this list" means do not allow /others/ to add entries?
08:44 marcelr no it includes owner too
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08:44 skk how to do that i have no clue
08:44 rangi you did the upgrade on your test db eh?
08:44 skk no live
08:44 marcelr oleonard: include: anyone including yourself?
08:44 skk but i have backup of old one which i can restore
08:45 oleonard marcelr, so the owner can create the list, add items to it, and then prevent himself from adding new entries?
08:45 marcelr if he wants so, yes
08:45 marcelr kind of closed list in the past
08:46 rangi skk: i suspect that at least one of yuour records has invalid xml in the marcxml column you need to find that one
08:46 skk can u tell me hw to check that
08:46 rangi you need to run that sql
08:47 skk if i am guided with command wil try that
08:47 rangi but if you don't know how to do that, you probably want to get someone who does to do it for you
08:47 rangi because you dont want to make it worse
08:47 cait slef: around?
08:47 skk i knw linux and have knowledge of executing commands only thing is which command to try
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08:48 oleonard marcelr, I think it might be more clear to say "[ Do not allow ] anyone, including the owner, to add entries to this list"
08:48 oleonard ...but I'm concerned about the flexibility of these constructions with regard to translation.
08:49 marcelr it is just like the prefs
08:49 oleonard True
08:50 marcelr contributed entries sounds good to you?
08:51 oleonard It sounds a little bit awkward to me, but I don't have a better suggestion
08:51 oleonard Easy to change if someone thinks of a better way to say it
08:52 marcelr ok, thanks
08:53 francharb 0/ all
08:53 oleonard Bonjour francharb
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08:55 francharb 0/ oleonard ;)
08:56 francharb the funny thing is that we are 3 m away from each other... ;)
08:57 oleonard I'm hardly ever 3m away from ANY Koha developer! It's a nice change
08:59 skk can u tell me the query i can even run it from phpmyadmin
08:59 skk by copy pasting
09:07 Oak in setting subfield constraints, in "hidden", what does -4 means? manual says: OPAC !Intranet !Editor !Collapsed whereas "! means 'not visible' or in the case of Collapsed 'not Collapsed'"
09:11 Oak should not ! mean not hidden? and -4 should mean hidden in OPAC, not hidden in Intranet, not hidden in Editor, and Not collapsed?
09:11 Oak http://manual.koha-community.o[…]/en/catadmin.html
09:12 Judit yes
09:12 Oak why does it say "! means 'not visible' or in the case of Collapsed 'not Collapsed'"
09:12 Judit what do you see
09:13 Oak when I set -4, i see "hidden" in "Constraints" column, but the field is visible in admin area.
09:13 Judit yes
09:13 Judit not hidden in Intranet,
09:13 Judit not hidden ergo visible in admin
09:14 Oak cool, then the wording in manual that says: "! means 'not visible' or in the case of Collapsed 'not Collapsed'" should be changed to ""! means 'not hidden' or in the case of Collapsed 'not Collapsed'"
09:14 Judit ehm
09:14 Judit hang on
09:15 Judit no
09:15 Judit ! means not
09:15 Judit not in opac n
09:15 Judit not visible
09:15 Oak but the setting name is "hidden"
09:16 Judit well
09:16 Judit yes!
09:16 Oak so if we put ! it read ! hidden in whatever we put it after.
09:16 Judit i know what you mean
09:16 Judit it the the state of hidden
09:17 Judit hidden has these states: like the numbers : −9 to 9
09:17 Oak yes
09:17 Judit the word 'hidden' is confusing
09:17 Judit yes
09:17 Oak and if we put ! in front it mean "not" hidden
09:17 Oak not "not visible"
09:18 Judit no, that means it is not visible which is a state of "hidden"
09:18 Oak wait. listen.
09:18 Oak the field name is "hidden" right.
09:18 Judit yes
09:19 Oak the value "0 " says the manual: 0 => OPAC Intranet Editor !Collapsed
09:19 Oak it reads to me as:
09:20 Oak hidden: yes hidden in OPAC, yes hidden in Intranet, yes hidden in Editor, but NOT collapsed.
09:20 Judit i know what you mean, it is very confusing
09:20 Oak hmm
09:20 Judit but i would change the hidden  word
09:21 Judit the problem is caused by the word not by the !
09:21 Oak hmm
09:21 Oak what should be the word?
09:21 Oak in place of hidden?
09:21 Judit i have no idea
09:21 Oak hm
09:21 Judit status? visibility?
09:21 Oak visibility sounds right.
09:21 Judit yeah
09:21 Oak let me read the rules with that in mind
09:22 Judit visibility: 0
09:22 Judit OPAC Intranet Editor !Collapsed
09:22 Judit visible in opac, visible in intranet visible in editor not colapsed
09:22 Oak that would read as: visible in OPAC, visible in Intranet, visible in Editr, and...
09:23 Oak oh yes you wrote same
09:23 Oak let me see how it works then
09:23 skk can some one help! one of my bound volumes all records are not visible in OPAC/kohaadmin. I have opened the database in phpmyAdmin and have browsed items where i could locate that record. Now i need a small help what change i have to do here so ththat this record is visible in OPAC/kohaadmin with all its bound volume detatails.
09:24 Judit in the sql: you have a zebraqueue table
09:24 skk yes
09:24 Judit do you have 0 or 1 next to the biblio
09:25 Judit or is it the biblio you cannot see, or theitem?
09:25 skk both biblio and items attached to a biblio
09:25 Judit ok
09:25 Judit chechk the zebraqueue
09:25 skk i am there
09:26 Judit did you find the biblionumber you are missing from opac?
09:26 skk yes
09:27 skk i see in zebraque at few times there
09:27 Judit i dont remember the column name, maybe it is called done
09:27 Judit do yousee 0 or 1
09:27 Judit ?
09:28 skk yes i can see a column as done where it is 1
09:28 Judit and you have already rebuilt zebra, right
09:28 Judit i remmeber you from this mornig
09:29 skk yes i am sitting since morning but no answer yet
09:29 skk zebra is rebuilt thousand times
09:29 Judit do you see some of your records
09:29 Judit or non at all
09:29 Judit in opac
09:30 skk only for that biblio and items related to that biblio are not visible in either opac or in kohaadmin but if i take a report with barcode and title all those barcodes and titles are listed
09:30 Judit yeah, still zebra
09:31 Judit reports are just sql queries, but in search that is zebra
09:31 Judit so you are missing only one biblio?
09:31 Judit or several
09:31 Oak Judit, I want 021 c to be not visible in OPAC, visible in intranet, visible in editor, and not collapsed, I choose 4. but the c field disappears from admin area cataloging page. but if i put -4, it appears.
09:32 skk at the moment looks to be only one where it has around 700 items attached to a biblio. its a bould volumes record
09:32 Oak sorry, typo. 020 c
09:32 Oak first deal with skk 's issue
09:32 Judit gee, Oak you dont know how much i hate marc:D let me have a look
09:33 oleonard cait: Bug 7789
09:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7789 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Add translations of item type and authorized value descriptions
09:34 cait :)
09:35 mveron Hi #koha
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09:35 mveron Adrien submitted resolving patch to already signed-off Bug 7737
09:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7737 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Signed Off , Use of date filters on bookseller pages
09:36 mveron Should this bug be signed off again?
09:36 oleonard Usually no, if the resubmission is to resolved conflicts only it does not require another signoff
09:37 Judit skk you have 1 biblio with 700 items attached to it?
09:37 skk yes
09:37 * oleonard is happy to submit a patch for Bug 6209
09:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Standardize on one javascript library for client-side form validation
09:37 * oleonard hopes it is the first of many
09:38 cait :)
09:40 Judit oak, you re right
09:40 Oak so what's going on then?
09:41 Judit i choose 4, but then it is not viisble in the edit
09:41 Judit well, time to ask someone who is good in it
09:41 Oak then try -4 and it will appear
09:41 Judit yeah
09:41 Judit i did
09:41 Oak but in "Constraints" column it says "hidden" right?
09:41 Judit it does
09:42 Oak weird is it not?
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09:42 Judit it says hidden in both cases: 4 and -4
09:42 Oak yes yes
09:43 mbalmer good morning.
09:43 Oak right
09:43 Judit well i guess this is one of the resons why i dont like marc
09:43 Oak but it should not
09:43 Judit id ont know, what  hidden in Constraints refers to
09:44 cait it's in the help file
09:44 cait click on the ? on the page
09:44 skk when i had ran rebuild_zebra here is the error it gave "Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)"
09:45 Judit skk, i am sorry but my knowledge ends here
09:45 Oak cait, when editing subfields, there is no ? in there
09:45 cait no, but there is one on the top left of each page
09:45 cait offering context help :)
09:46 Oak top-right... yes
09:46 Oak looking at it now
09:46 Judit the same as themanual
09:46 Oak yup. same as manual.
09:47 mbalmer SIP is so much easier to handle on the client side when the server does not close the connecton unexpectedly...
09:50 alex_a1 skk: your record has lot of items ?
09:50 Judit 700 items
09:50 Judit he has
09:50 Judit for one bibli
09:50 alex_a ouch
09:50 Judit o
09:50 Judit yeah
09:50 skk is that the issue then
09:51 alex_a skk: this could happen when the biblionumber (field 001) has been saved at the end of marcxml iirc
09:51 alex_a can you check that ?
09:52 Judit i need to go
09:53 skk i am in biblioitem and i am in marcxml in phpmyadmin <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <record     xmlns:xsi=""     xsi:schemaLocation="[…]ma/MARC21slim.xsd"     xmlns="">    <leader>109323casa22087971  45000</leader
09:53 Judit if you figured out something oak, let me know
09:53 Oak okay Judit
09:53 Judit good night
09:53 Oak good night :)
09:53 skk <controlfield tag="001">11137031</controlfield> this field u mean is it
09:53 alex_a skk: can you pastbin the marcxml ?
09:53 skk it is with start in marcxml
09:53 Oak so cait, let me know when you are free to be annoyed.
09:56 alex_a skk: do you get errors with others record (all?) or only this one ?
09:56 skk only this record
09:57 skk i have pasted in pastebin
09:57 skk can u check
09:58 alex_a ?
09:58 alex_a where ?
09:58 skk here there is a PasteBin option when i click that i pasted my marcxml there what else i need to do for u to see it
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10:06 skk alex_a are u there
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11:05 paul_p who can rewind the clock, so it shows "9AM" instead of "12AM" ?
11:06 Oak is it a wall clock?
11:06 Oak you won't even need a chair i think :)
11:07 Amit_Gupta heya paul_p
11:07 Amit_Gupta paul_p: C4::Search::SimpleSearch
11:07 Amit_Gupta can you please explain me what this subroutine do?
11:09 jcamins_away Amit_Gupta: it searches Zebra.
11:13 jcamins paul_p: I changed that line on bug 7444 because sekjal's original patch just did what you requested, and it had side effects.
11:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7444 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Use T::T date plugin to display dates omnibus
11:13 jcamins It broke the display in a bunch of places.
11:13 jcamins I think it's better to not cause regressions.
11:14 oleonard Hi jcamins
11:14 jcamins Good morning.
11:27 cait lunch break at the hackfest - today we have pizza :)
11:28 Oak and ketchup
11:32 slef I'm perplexed by bug 7365 and mbalmer signing off his own work
11:32 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, marc, Signed Off , Koha uses MySQL
11:32 slef has that approach been discussed on koha-devel? Maybe I missed it.
11:33 jcamins slef: no.
11:37 jcamins mbalmer and Stephen Delauney decided that this was a better method than actually fixing the problems in the Koha codebase.
11:37 mbalmer slef, we are a team of three folks working on that
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11:37 jcamins And someone else.
11:37 wahanui someone else is going to have to look at acquisitions
11:37 mbalmer so technically, I did not signoff my own work.
11:37 jcamins Sorry, I didn't realize that there was a third person.
11:40 mbalmer actually the design was discussed in a group of six people.
11:45 slef mbalmer: that's nice. What about giving the other 173 developers a chance?
11:46 mbalmer sure, we discuss the issue to death or accept that there is now a path to move forward with PostgreSQL support.
11:46 mbalmer we can, even...
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11:50 jcamins Well, you know my feeling on the matter. I think it's a bad idea, but as long as the code is written in such a way as to be easily removable when it becomes unmaintainable, I don't much care.
11:52 jcamins Though I think a sign-off from someone else would be a good idea.
11:52 * jcamins leaves for the new apartment.
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12:18 slef mbalmer: I'm not asking you to "discuss the issue to death". I'm asking for it to be discussed AT ALL and not just have 6 devs unilaterally overturn what I thought was previously agreed.
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12:39 sekjal morning, #koha
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12:53 marcelr hi sekjal
12:53 sekjal hi, marcelr!
12:53 oleonard I agree, re: another signoff for the new DB stuff
12:53 mbalmer slef, it was agreed to add PostgreSQL support.
12:54 marcelr slef: i think you are still right; my only exception still would be a trivial very trivail self-signed patch for something very very tiny
12:54 mbalmer it is _not_ self signed-off.  stephane did the diff, and tested it.  I tested on a separate machine and signed it off.
12:55 marcelr mbalmer: if it is not trivial, someone else must sign
12:55 mbalmer I _am_ someone else than stephan.
12:55 marcelr if someone tested, let him sign off
12:55 marcelr in qa you would hear that too
12:55 mbalmer that is what we did.
12:56 marcelr but this discussion seems to show otherwise?
12:56 mbalmer stephan did prepare the diff, I signed off.  Is it hard to see that stephane and I are not the same person.
12:57 reiveune I am stephane
12:57 marcelr well it may be just bureaucratic but the patch must show that
12:57 marcelr hi reiveune
12:57 reiveune hi
12:57 reiveune ... the patch show uit
12:58 reiveune line 7 : Signed-off-by: Marc Balmer <>
12:58 marcelr and who is the author?
12:58 wahanui i guess the author is linked to authorities by default
12:58 oleonard wahanui, forget the author
12:58 wahanui oleonard: I forgot author
12:58 reiveune marcelr: it's me
12:58 marcelr what does the patch say?
12:59 reiveune read the diff
12:59 reiveune and you'll see
12:59 reiveune :)
12:59 marcelr :-)
12:59 reiveune (my english is too bad to explain it easyly)
13:00 mbalmer btw, is code written in other languages than Perl accepted?
13:01 sekjal mbalmer:  if you count Javascript or XSLT as a language, then yes
13:01 mbalmer and other than that?
13:01 sekjal but I'm pretty sure we're not going to add other scripting languages like PHP or Python
13:01 slef stephane's patch looked similar to mbalmer's earlier patch
13:02 sekjal mbalmer: do you have one in mind?
13:02 mbalmer yes, I was wonderling about libraries is C that come with Lua bindings.
13:02 slef mbalmer: I agree with adding postgresql support, but I am not sure a bespoke code-generator is sustainable.
13:03 mbalmer but I am just asking.
13:04 mbalmer slef, it is the very minimum that needs be done.
13:04 slef mbalmer: might be minimum today, but almost definitely not the minimum in the long-term.
13:06 mbalmer yes, but running on PostgreSQL is not a long-term goal either.  So we need a solution that works without changing to much stuff.  That does not mean that it will stay that way forever.  Maybe one day we get a better database layer that obsoletes all this.
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13:15 paul_p slef & mbalmer : I jump in the discussion...
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13:52 sekjal paul_p:  confirmation on the string freeze procedures.  After this week, no new feature of any size is going to be accepted for 3.8
13:52 sekjal are features awaiting QA still game?  how about waiting Signoff?
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13:59 marcelr sekjal: i asked the same on the list some time ago
14:00 libsysguy sekjal did you see the new notes on 5549
14:01 libsysguy is that something that we need to look into or something that we should just consider in follow up
14:02 sekjal libsysguy:  I'd like to know why their renewals fail and everyone else's work
14:02 sekjal is it a setting or a setup thing?
14:02 libsysguy I don't suppose we could have access to that sand box
14:02 sekjal as for hardduedate-time and suspension in days, those can be followups
14:03 sekjal suspension in days works
14:03 libsysguy thats the only way I can really thing of to see the error
14:03 sekjal but only for hourly loans that are days late
14:03 wizzyrea libsysguy: I bet it's one of the biblibre one
14:03 wizzyrea public ones
14:03 sekjal I should probably fix that
14:03 wizzyrea sandboxes?
14:03 wahanui sandboxes are
14:04 libsysguy hmm interesting concept
14:10 sekjal libsysguy:  commented on 5549
14:11 libsysguy i just read that
14:11 libsysguy well said imo :)
14:11 sekjal I like the new code
14:11 sekjal using DateTime and DateTime::Duration makes sense to me
14:11 libsysguy me too
14:12 sekjal once I learned some of the basics, I was able to do the suspension in days reimplementation, and it was pretty straight forward
14:12 libsysguy so does this mean that all C4::Dates will need to be changed over eventually
14:12 sekjal I believe so, yes
14:12 libsysguy sweet
14:12 libsysguy which will also allow more of a conversion to the Koha namespace
14:13 sekjal I'd also like to increase support for this, once we've beaten down the trail a bit more, for loans in minutes
14:13 sekjal in case someone wants to do an hour and a half loan
14:13 libsysguy I agree, i plan to do quite a few follow up patches/enhancements with this
14:14 sekjal getting the library calendars to contain opening/closing hours is a biggie
14:14 sekjal as laid out in the original spec
14:15 libsysguy yeah there is a lot that got left out of that original spec
14:15 libsysguy which is dissappointing
14:19 sekjal very
14:20 sekjal but, it's not like we're done here... all these things can be implemented
14:20 sekjal Holds Rewrite, too
14:20 libsysguy notifications rewrite....
14:20 libsysguy im still gunning for that one
14:20 wizzyrea libsysguy: did you see bug 7001
14:20 libsysguy my script can't hold out forever
14:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips
14:20 sekjal it's a lot better after 7001
14:21 wizzyrea you'll want to build on top of that instead of what's already there
14:21 sekjal ... how bad would it be to just use Template Toolkit for templating the notices?
14:21 sekjal I mean, sure there is plenty to learn
14:21 sekjal and we'd need to filter it for security
14:21 sekjal but, really, is it any harder to learn than anything else?
14:21 libsysguy wizzyrea I hadn't seen that
14:22 libsysguy sekjal drag and drop fields :)
14:22 wizzyrea if you could do it similarly to what it does now - click the thing, click >>
14:22 wizzyrea to add it
14:22 wizzyrea it would be simple
14:22 wizzyrea for people
14:22 wizzyrea sekjal: also, that sounds kind of like a appinventor or scratch-type notice generation engine thinger
14:22 wizzyrea well in my mind anyway
14:22 wizzyrea where you drag and drop chunks of stuff
14:23 libsysguy ^^
14:23 sekjal at the very least, we need loops
14:23 sekjal would be nice to have if/then, but I haven't seem a demand for it yet
14:25 wizzyrea I don't think the way it works now is so limiting.
14:25 wizzyrea I mean, it's a little limiting.
14:25 sekjal a solid T:T editor, though, would allow us to actually edit the Koha templates themselves...
14:25 jcamins_away Four of seven faceplates installed.
14:26 sekjal though the first blocker to that is getting a standardized set of params for each page
14:26 jcamins_away The other three are rather problematic.
14:26 sekjal and not changing that between major versions
14:26 wizzyrea uh oh
14:26 jcamins_away But this is a start.
14:27 jcamins_away I may end up needing to reterminate for two, alas. Stupid studs.
14:28 sekjal okay, all, I've got to check out of my hotel, then cruise the exhibit hall
14:31 wizzyrea you might remind them of this problem:[…]&sortfield=author
14:31 wizzyrea at least it doesn't show the server internals anymore.
14:31 wizzyrea that's a step up.
14:31 sekjal indeed
14:31 sekjal only took what, 6 months?
14:32 wizzyrea something like that, it's been that way since go-live
14:33 sekjal k, gtg
14:33 wizzyrea gl, have fun
14:33 jcamins_away I don't want to reterminate. :(
14:33 sekjal hopefully my train home tonight will have WiFi
14:33 sekjal cheers, #koha
14:34 libsysguy I don't always reterminate....but when I do the terminator is near a stud
14:39 * wizzyrea considers if this is a real statement or something to do with the movie.
14:44 cait libsysguy: i think you could get access to that sandbox - at least to the interface
14:44 wizzyrea cait - do you know which one they are using?
14:45 wizzyrea (could you ask) :) <3 pretty please
14:47 cait oh yes
14:47 cait sorry
14:47 cait was just reading back; I will ask paul
14:47 cait sec
14:47 wizzyrea no worries :)
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14:49 libsysguy cait was was actually thinking more along the lines of the log output
14:54 cait not sure you need tht
14:54 cait and wizzyrea will help you ;)
14:54 cait wizzyrea: it's textbox 6
14:55 cait wizzyrea: from looking at the screens I suspect it could be using record level itypes - could you check?
14:55 cait perhaps if that makes a difference?
14:55 cait she is going to show me an example now; I am going to write it down
14:56 slef @quote add <libsysguy> I don't always reterminate....but when I do the terminator is near a stud // * wizzyrea considers if this is a real statement or something to do with the movie.
14:56 huginn slef: The operation succeeded.  Quote #193 added.
14:57 slef @quote random
14:57 huginn slef: Quote #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are librarians involved :P" (added by wizzyrea at 03:30 PM, February 28, 2012)
14:57 slef wow, love that coincidence
14:59 mtj is it just me, or are Paul's 'coding guidlines' examples identical, here...
14:59 mtj[…]letter-4-2012-02/
15:00 mtj aah, whitespace :p
15:05 libsysguy back -- in regards to that quote I was actaully poking fun at jcamins
15:08 wizzyrea hm says 6 is bug 7291?
15:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7291 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , claims management improvement
15:09 wizzyrea but, that one *is* unimarc
15:09 cait yeah
15:09 cait they are testing on unimarc :)
15:09 cait are you scared now?
15:09 cait :)
15:09 cait so
15:09 wizzyrea well no.
15:09 cait ok
15:09 cait it seems
15:09 cait renewalperiodbase is broken generally
15:09 cait what we did was
15:09 wizzyrea libsysguy
15:09 wahanui i think libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
15:09 cait set renewalperiodbase to renew from the old due date
15:10 * wizzyrea giggles
15:10 cait so on renewal it should do old due date + loan period
15:10 cait and it doesn't work
15:10 wizzyrea OH
15:10 cait neither on nr 6
15:10 wizzyrea it's a syspref!
15:10 cait nor on one wihtout hourly loans
15:10 cait but it's abad
15:10 cait it's bad
15:10 cait and we need to fix it
15:10 wizzyrea yes
15:10 wizzyrea yes it is
15:10 cait they are opening a bug
15:10 wizzyrea so renewals are broken
15:10 wizzyrea that's not-good
15:10 cait wizzyrea: do you have a sec to check in marc21?
15:10 wizzyrea sure
15:10 cait that would be great
15:10 wizzyrea i'm checking renewal?
15:11 cait yes
15:11 wizzyrea on master?
15:11 wizzyrea check. on it.
15:11 cait with different settings for renewalperiodbase
15:11 wizzyrea *nod*
15:11 cait great :)
15:11 cait it might be related to item-level itypes... or even unimarc... but we should get that fixed
15:12 cait textbox 3 I think is without hourly loans
15:13 cait sandbox...
15:15 wizzyrea so what is the bug?
15:16 cait 7803
15:16 cait or do you mean what is not working about it?
15:17 wizzyrea right - how exactly is it broken
15:17 wizzyrea or I could just read the bug
15:17 wizzyrea bug 7802
15:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7802 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , A MySQLism is used to get the current date.
15:17 wizzyrea bug 7803
15:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7803 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Renewal : syspref RenewalPeriodBase "old due date of the checkout" doesn't work
15:21 cait if you set it to renew from the old due date
15:21 cait it should do : due date + loan period
15:21 cait so even if you checked out something today
15:21 cait it will push the date back another loan period
15:21 cait but this seems not to be working any longer
15:21 cait it stays on the same date
15:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7154 follow-up DBRev <[…]4ee6360645c28c1c4> / Bug 7154: Modification in borrower attributes <[…]4cea324fc16b6ec90> / bug 7264: follow-up DBRev number <[…]d8cb780f13febadb9
15:24 * wizzyrea tests again
15:26 wizzyrea ok, mine updated
15:26 wizzyrea was originally due
15:27 wizzyrea 3/23/2012
15:27 wahanui 6.48284207796698e-05
15:27 mbalmer who knows tha module and could test a patch?
15:27 wizzyrea loan period is one day
15:27 wizzyrea renewed with renewalbase set to old due date
15:27 wizzyrea new due date is 3/24/2012
15:28 cait yeah
15:28 cait she showed me
15:28 cait it IS broken on that database
15:28 cait but where is the difference?
15:28 cait :(
15:28 cait it works for me too
15:28 cait I just testd with biblio level itypes too
15:28 wizzyrea no different?
15:29 wizzyrea usedaysmode?
15:29 wizzyrea maybe it has to do with holidays
15:29 wizzyrea or weekends
15:29 wahanui weekends are very silent
15:30 wizzyrea let me make sure i'm using the very latest master
15:30 * wizzyrea was not
15:31 wizzyrea i mean, only 10 hours out of date or so
15:31 wizzyrea but stille
15:31 wizzyrea oh bless writeoffall
15:32 wizzyrea OH!
15:32 wizzyrea I did have it not work
15:32 wizzyrea only on the very latest master
15:32 wizzyrea something in the last day broke it
15:33 wizzyrea cait
15:33 cait here
15:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #674 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:33 wizzyrea I just replicated the problem
15:33 cait !!!
15:33 cait really?
15:33 wizzyrea yes
15:33 cait I can't :(
15:33 wizzyrea I last pulled sometime yesterday afternoon
15:33 cait so it must be very very recent?
15:33 wizzyrea and just did a checkout, yea
15:34 wizzyrea 1s, I can show what was pulled
15:34 pastebot "wizzyrea" at pasted "Already on 'master' remote: Co" (32 lines) at
15:36 cait that update was weird
15:37 cait ok
15:37 cait I am latest latest master now
15:37 cait which settings were broken for you?
15:38 wizzyrea try them both
15:38 wizzyrea wait.
15:38 wizzyrea I wonder if this is a misunderstanding
15:38 wizzyrea if you renew an item
15:38 wizzyrea on the same day
15:39 wizzyrea with it set to "the current date"
15:39 cait nothing happens
15:39 wizzyrea and if you renew an item
15:39 wizzyrea on the same day
15:39 cait because today + loan period is still the same loan period it was checked out with
15:39 wizzyrea with it set to the old due date, it should hop forward
15:39 wizzyrea no.
15:39 cait that was what I thought
15:40 wizzyrea old due date is *still the same day*
15:40 * wizzyrea has to ponder
15:40 cait draw it
15:40 cait helped me :P
15:40 wizzyrea brain's in knots
15:41 cait I think: old due date - so tomorrow + 1 is ... day after tomorrow
15:41 cait current date today... +1 is still tomorrow
15:41 cait make sense?
15:41 cait but I can't break it
15:41 wizzyrea right, ok
15:42 wizzyrea I can't break it either - because you're right
15:42 cait :(
15:42 wizzyrea checked out today + 1 day = 3/24
15:42 cait that's bad
15:42 cait I will ask paul
15:42 cait perhaps there is something in the logs
15:42 oleonard Okay... we broke display of holdings in the OPAC :(
15:42 cait because I see it's wrong for her
15:42 wizzyrea oh no!
15:42 cait a day full of good news! ;)
15:44 wizzyrea something in her rules?
15:44 wizzyrea fine in days?
15:44 wizzyrea no, that wouldn't have anything to do with it.
15:44 wizzyrea what do her rules look like?
15:45 slef @query svc
15:45 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , svc API should allow creation and deletion of items
15:45 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client
15:52 oleonard Attention everyone, there was an error in something recently pushed
15:52 wizzyrea yea?
15:52 wahanui yea is probably better to not get attached to a specific koha version >.>
15:52 oleonard paul_p will push a follow-up which will correct
15:53 jcamins_away libsysguy: they put the box directly over a stud so a coupler doesn't fit.
15:53 oleonard We'll have to manually set back our KohaVersion preference after it is pushed so the database can catch up
15:53 wizzyrea oki
15:53 wizzyrea just say when the fix is pushed
15:55 wizzyrea brr. I'm cold.
15:55 wizzyrea @wunder 66049
15:55 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Near Free State High, Lawrence, Kansas is 13.7°C (10:54 AM CDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
15:55 wizzyrea bit chilly.
15:56 wizzyrea omg, love bug 7804
15:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add Koha Plugin System
15:56 wizzyrea love love love
15:56 paul_p follow-up for bug 7310 pushed
15:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---,, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
15:56 wizzyrea ty paul
16:00 oleonard And database fix pushed too
16:00 wizzyrea so all we do
16:00 wizzyrea is set it back to... 33?
16:00 wizzyrea or 32?
16:01 oleonard 31 at least I think
16:01 slef "Consequently, ModBiblio() is not to be used to try to modify item records." That's nice, perldoc. Please can someone remind me what is?
16:01 wizzyrea moditem?
16:02 slef looks like ModItemFromMarc
16:02 slef so partial credit, wizzyrea ;)
16:02 wizzyrea :)
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16:03 wizzyrea oleonard what's the symptom of the problem?
16:03 oleonard The symptom I noticed: display of holdings disappeared from
16:04 oleonard wizzyrea, did you notice your KohaVersion pref had a strange number?
16:04 slef hrmph, ModItemFromMarc wants itemnumber. So where do I get that from?
16:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7310 follow-up : typo fix lt instead of < in DB version comparison <[…]ea4fe2e0b7a13df2a> / Bug 7769 - members/ $template scoping for plack <[…]36d8450a023b78faf> / Bug 5841: Routing slip not displaying publication date <http://git.koha-community.o
16:05 slef @marc 952
16:05 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at[…]_fields_%289xx%29
16:05 huginn slef: unknown tag 952
16:05 slef yay, 952$9
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16:09 mbalmer bug 7806
16:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7806 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Illegal dates are used to signal non existing dates.
16:10 * slef sighs as svc/bib doesn't send 952 tags
16:10 * slef kicks it about a bit
16:11 mbalmer DBQ changed to use a more obvious example, while there we changed SHOW COLUMNS FROM to use $dbh->column_info.
16:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #674: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/674/
16:17 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7778: fixes creation of a new server
16:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7746: "No Public Lists." not translatable.
16:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7738: "Display more constraints' in subfield configuraiton is not properly translatable
16:17 jenkins_koha * Bug 7732: Restoring "More lists" in the Add-to combo of OPAC Search Results
16:17 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5180: FIX autocomplete on overdues report
16:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 5482 - Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names
16:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7778 blocker, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Not possible to add new z39.50 servers
16:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5482: Update colums.def file
16:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 5482 [Follow up] Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names
16:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7746 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , In staff 'No public lists.' is not translatable
16:17 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7714 translating letters in fr-FR to french
16:17 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_7264: [SIGNED-OFF] Branch popup on OPAC detail.Added opac_info field to branches table.
16:17 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 7264: follow-up DBRev number
16:17 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7154: Modification in borrower attributes
16:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7738 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, "Display more constraints" in subfield configuraton is not properly translatable
16:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7732 enhancement, P3, ---,, Pushed to Master , Restoring "More lists" in the Add-to combo of OPAC Search Results
16:17 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7154 follow-up DBRev
16:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5180 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Autocomplete broken on overdues report
16:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5482 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names
16:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7714 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , sample_notices.sql translated to french
16:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Display information about library on OPAC detail
16:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7154 enhancement, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Group borrower attributes and link between patron category and attribute
16:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #675 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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16:22 paul_p i'm about to push bug 5549 ;-)
16:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Passed QA , Hourly Loans
16:22 jcamins_away paul_p: you waited until *after* libsysguy left? That's just cruel!
16:23 * slef cheers as he squashes the bug
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16:24 cait lol
16:24 cait woohoo
16:24 cait :)
16:24 cait I belive paul wants to qa 7760 next
16:25 cait right, paul_p? :)
16:25 jcamins_away bug 7760
16:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton
16:25 paul_p cait = if you promize to vote "yes" to the icon-ed mainpage :D :D
16:25 cait I can't
16:25 cait I don't like any icons
16:26 cait it's not only those icons - I am against any icons
16:26 cait :)
16:26 cait but I can stay silent... maybe
16:26 cait I still think doing a small change with some colors and things will be enough
16:26 * slef sulks as the more complex test fails
16:26 cait everything else is breaking too much with the existing layout
16:26 cait even if it's shiny
16:26 mbalmer icons are great if you use touchscreens, think of selfcheckouts e.g.
16:27 cait yeah, but not in this context
16:27 cait I mean, it#s not about touchscreens here
16:27 cait and big buttons work too
16:27 jcamins_away Okay, I have found a way around reterminating any Cat6a jacks at this time.
16:31 slef Terminator 3
16:31 slef wahanui: coding guidelines?
16:31 wahanui coding guidelines are[…]Coding_Guidelines
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17:01 chris_n so what do ya'll think about having a branch-local category of sysprefs?
17:01 chris_n hourly++
17:01 * wizzyrea thinks it could be handy
17:01 * chris_n assumes that also means hourly fines?
17:01 kmkale its eaten with hot "Tup" which is clarified butter
17:01 wizzyrea yummmm
17:02 kmkale yup
17:03 chris_n sounds good
17:03 sean in order for zebra functionality to work, does there need to be any type of service running?  trying to figure out why i can't get any search results from the webpage.  i already ran rebuild
17:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #675: SUCCESS in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/675/
17:03 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 6125: repairs dateaccessioned plugin
17:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5841: Routing slip not displaying publication date
17:03 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7769 - members/ $template scoping for plack
17:03 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7310 follow-up : typo fix lt instead of < in DB version comparison
17:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6125 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Plugin for date acquired does not work on ACQ framework
17:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5841 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Routing slip not displaying publication date
17:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7769 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , members/ $template scoping for plack
17:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---,, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
17:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #676 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:04 kmkale sean run with a cronjob
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17:05 wizzyrea searching faq?
17:05 wahanui i guess searching faq is at
17:05 wizzyrea sean, see &&
17:05 wizzyrea ^^*
17:06 wizzyrea are you using the packages or a tarball install?
17:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #676: FAILURE in 2 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/676/
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Allow hourly loans to be indicated in the loan rules
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add a timezone object to C4::Context
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add DateUtils Module
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Due Date calculation in issue needs to be HH:MM aware
17:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Hourly Loans
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Koha::Calendar allow negative offset to addDate
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Pass time_zone correctly
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Get basic 24 Hr loan working
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : GetPendingIssues now returns duedate as a DateTime object
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Need a testscript for rolling loans
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add Tests For Koha::DateUtils
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add Koha directory to testcritic
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Merge old and new DateUtils tests
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : DateUtils handling odd cases
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Handle datetimes on return
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Only use DateTime for issues table
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : GetPendingIssues now returns DateTime objects
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : overdues display should be hours mins aware
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Cannot use CUR_DATE on date_due column
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Format date with hh:mm in branchoverdues
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : DateUtils add subroutine format_sqldatetime
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549: Formatting duedates in catalogue scripts
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Duedate formatting : reserves and opac
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Format Date in ILSDI::Services to include hhmm
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add days_between method to Koha::Calendar
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Fix calculation of duedates in and
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : replace curdate with now in a couple of sql lines
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Let Timestamp do the right thing if passed a DateTime
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Sip scripts should handle dt due dates
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Overdues : Handle some date comparison and display issues
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add script to convert issue_dates
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add Extra Perl Dependencies
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Fix a couple of date issues from testing
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add Returned, checkout out time to Patron Circ History
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Show time due in opac-detail
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Fix typo in renewscript
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Make Koha::Calendar testable
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Koha::Calendar needs to accept scalar add_durations
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Calendar needed a change array_ref to hash_ref
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : move rollingloans.t to db_dependent tests
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Don't confuse the users with an irrelevant time
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Format due dates in opac
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 Fix a couple of comparisons in C4::Circulation
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : circ/returns needs to import DateUtils
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Daily loans should be due at 23:59
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : returns calling wrong format routine on date
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Fix 'specify due date'
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Koha::Calendar::addDate should not loop on -1
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : use DateUtils routine for formatting sql date
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Refactor
17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : CalcFine was corrupting due date
17:06 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6430 - DB changes needed to support hourly circ
17:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6430 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED WONTFIX, DB changes needed for Hourly Circulation
17:06 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 - Hourly Loans - Fixing a typo
17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : Fixed bracketing error
17:07 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 - Another typo fix
17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : added select option in circ rules for unit
17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed typo
17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : added dropdown for new rule
17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed save in smart-rules
17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed clone issue in moremember
17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : Fixing the opac-pref
17:07 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 : Fixing link to calendar
17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed datetime issue so time is shown in output for and
17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed non-cloned date object in Add date for calendar, also removed erounous dumper in that dumped entire issue
17:07 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 : Fixing typo in C4/
17:07 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 :  _FixFineDaysOnReturn was using C4::Dates in calling
17:07 jenkins_koha * root: Bug 5549 : fixed undefined subroutine format_date in circ/ by adding full path of C4::Dates::format_date()
17:07 jenkins_koha * koha.sekjal: Bug 5549 Followup: fix suspension in days
17:07 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7737: applies date filters on vendor pages
17:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7737 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Use of date filters on bookseller pages
17:07 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 5549: follow-up DBRev number
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17:08 sean yeah, i checked all the faq stuff.  i have the correct env variables and no zebra processes are running.  zebra is installed.  yet, nothing comes up in the search
17:08 libsysguy uh oh
17:08 chris_n sean: do 'ps -ef | grep zebra'
17:08 libsysguy hourly killed jenkins
17:08 chris_n opps
17:08 chris_n should have read first... :P
17:09 sean no zebra processes at all.  is there supposed to be one?
17:09 wizzyrea jcamins:[…]oconut-Fudge-.htm
17:09 sean that fudge looks good
17:09 gmcharlt sean: zebrasrv, at least
17:09 kmkale sean: you must rin zebra server first
17:10 sean that's my original problem: i can't get the zebra server to run
17:10 wizzyrea sorry sean I think I misunderstood your problem
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17:10 sean not even from the command line
17:10 wizzyrea I thought you weren't getting *updates*
17:10 wizzyrea that's my bad sorry >.<
17:10 sean it stops short of giving it a pid, when i run from the command line
17:10 sean np :)
17:10 kmkale I run it like this :
17:10 kmkale KOHA_CONF=/home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/home/kk/kohaclone /home/kk/koha-dev/bin/ start
17:10 kmkale KOHA_CONF=/home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/home/kk/kohaclone /home/kk/kohaclone/misc/migr​ation_tools/ -a -b -z
17:11 sekjal hey, all.  got my ducks in a nice row, and can squeeze in most of one more session at CiL before heading home
17:11 sekjal open source trends and migrations
17:11 sekjal should be fun
17:11 kmkale go sekjal :)
17:12 sean kmkale: when i run like that, nothing happens... just get a prompt again
17:12 sekjal given that one of the presenters just migrated to faux-pen source, I figured it might be handy to have another perspective in the room
17:13 kmkale yah but the ps aux|grep zebra should show a zebra server running
17:13 wizzyrea sekjal: who's that
17:13 wahanui that is failed qa
17:13 sean checking...
17:13 kmkale sean have you installed zebraserv ?
17:13 wizzyrea forget that
17:13 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot that
17:13 sean not running
17:13 kmkale have you installed the pkg?
17:13 sekjal librarian from Crowell Public in CA
17:13 sean i'm pretty sure i installed it... what's the package name?
17:13 sekjal (california, not canada)
17:14 bag @wunder 93109
17:14 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.9°C (10:13 AM PDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
17:14 kmkale ii  idzebra-2.0                              2.0.44-3                                   IDZebra metapackage (the works)
17:14 sean indexdata, right?
17:15 maximep @wunder cyqb
17:15 huginn maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is 15.0°C (1:00 PM EDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
17:15 maximep o_O
17:15 sean kmkale: definitely installed that
17:15 kmkale if yes then check the location of where zebrasrv lives mine is at ZEBRASRV=/usr/bin/zebrasrv
17:15 sean checking...
17:15 kmkale and check if its correct in
17:16 paul_p noone should worry of jenkins build failed, it's because of a missing package rangi will probably add very soon (DateTime/Format/
17:18 sekjal paul_p:  ah, I had installed that earlier while testing something I later scraped... that's why it slipped through on my machine
17:18 sean kmkale: hell, the shell file says ZEBRASRV=/zebrasrv.  doh
17:18 kmkale hah thats your problem right there :)
17:18 * slef is unreasonably happy with bug 7729
17:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , svc API should allow modification of items
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17:18 Morthland Howdy,
17:18 slef hi Morthland
17:19 Morthland My kohaadmin wont let me add items to batches anymore
17:19 Morthland It is set to single-branch mode
17:19 Morthland I'm sure I changed some setting
17:19 Morthland how do I fix?
17:19 wizzyrea add items to what kind of batches?
17:20 wizzyrea the first question?
17:20 wahanui i think the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
17:20 wizzyrea the second question?
17:20 wahanui somebody said the second question was "What is the exact error message?"
17:20 Morthland label creater
17:20 Morthland let me reprodduce
17:20 chris_n the third question?
17:20 wahanui the third question is, like, "What version of Koha are you using?"
17:20 Morthland An error was encountered and items(s) not added, the error was: Branch is not set, you please set your branch before adding items to a batch Please have your system administrator check the error log for details.
17:20 Morthland I go to set branch
17:20 wizzyrea ok, do you have another superlibrarian
17:21 wizzyrea because you can't do that kind of stuff with your kohaadmin
17:21 Morthland Single Branch mode is ON.
17:21 wizzyrea you should NEVER use that
17:21 wizzyrea account.
17:21 wahanui account is not debarred
17:21 wizzyrea forget account.
17:21 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot account
17:21 Morthland what?
17:21 wizzyrea morthland
17:21 wahanui i guess morthland is reading the history
17:22 kmkale I am really happy with bug 7698. Is there any chance it can pich the default locale and put it in the xml file?
17:22 wizzyrea you should never ever use the kohaadmin account to do stuff
17:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7698 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Add ICU option to Koha out of the box
17:22 sean kmkale: should i use zebrasrv or zebrasrv-2.0?
17:22 kmkale I always had to apply that by hand to all my installs
17:22 Morthland what account shoul I use?
17:22 bag dpavlin++  I'm loving seeing all those plack bugs/enh  :)  w00t
17:22 kmkale sean: that should be a symlink
17:22 wizzyrea you should always create another user, give that user the  home branch and superlibrarian permissions
17:22 wizzyrea and use that account
17:22 wizzyrea you add another account by adding a patron, then going to more -> permissions
17:22 wizzyrea and checking "superlibrarian"
17:23 sean the symlink is zebrasrv.  i noticed a file called zebrasrv-2.0 in there, though
17:23 kmkale I think its setup through /etc/alternatives/ during pkg installation
17:24 kmkale use zebrasrv. should work
17:24 sean cool.  trying it out...
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17:27 sean success :)  thanks ya'll
17:27 sekjal yes, dpavlin++ indeed
17:27 sekjal I'll try running my home library under mod_perl, and see if I can flush a few more of the bugs out
17:27 Morthland I don't see more>>permissions on my patron
17:27 Morthland running 3.2.5
17:28 bag yeah sekjal that would great!
17:29 bag let me know if you don't have time.  I think I can set up two installs on mybox and have one plack and one mod_perl
17:29 sekjal bag:  I've already got the configs in my koha-httpd.conf; just need to turn them on
17:29 bag I'll give you the keys to the mod_perl one and maybe we can spend sometime together looking for mod_perl issues
17:29 sekjal oh, right, and populate my install....
17:29 sekjal bag: that'd be sweet
17:29 bag heh..  send me the configs - and I can throw some sample data at it
17:30 bag shouldn't be crazy amounts - but it would be fix to get some little tweaks for mod_perl completed :)
17:30 bag SPEED!!!
17:30 wahanui speed is important however.
17:31 sean huh.  i ran the command to start zebrasrv, it said starting server... but there is no process
17:31 sekjal even if you could just get the OPAC running on it, that'd be boss
17:31 kmkale sean run it manually then
17:31 kmkale not with daemon
17:31 sekjal okay, session is getting started
17:31 sekjal lessee how this goes
17:31 kmkale it will show you where its getting errors
17:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #677 for job Koha_master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #675 1 hr 14 min ago)
17:33 sean same thing as before... the last thing it prints to the screen is authoritysocket id=2.  it stops short of giving it a pid
17:34 paul_p OK guys, I think i've pushed maybe 30 patches today, time for my family now ;-)
17:34 sekjal have a great night, paul_p!
17:34 kmkale sean: /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
17:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 6140 follow-up: DBRev number <[…]d5c5378addfa903a9> / Bug 6140 - Set a timeout to z3950 servers that could have network problems occasionally <[…]31ca1935593a4b6e5> / Bug 7779 - tools/ scope vars for plack <
17:35 rangi !jenkins build Koha_master now
17:35 jenkins_koha rangi: job Koha_master build scheduled now
17:36 sean 12:35:10-22/03 [server] Adding dynamic listener on none,fatal,warn id=0
17:36 sean 12:35:10-22/03 [fatal] Failed to listen on none,fatal,warn
17:37 kmkale huh. try /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v  -f /home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
17:37 sean 12:37:22-22/03 [server] Adding dynamic listener on /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml id=0
17:38 sean 12:37:22-22/03 [fatal] Failed to listen on /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
17:38 sekjal hey, ByWater is on one of Marshall's slides as part of the competitive landscape of the US library industry
17:38 bag cool :)
17:38 bag about time :)
17:39 sekjal liblime koha and liblime academic koha are broken out as separate software, at last
17:39 rangi yay!
17:40 sekjal "numbers are respectable, it's a piece of the industy, a growing part of how libraries do automation"
17:40 rangi wow thats an about face
17:41 rangi from there is no trend
17:42 sekjal he's willing to be swayed by the data he collects
17:42 sekjal "koha as supported by ByWater Solutions is doing very well"
17:43 rangi so is koha independent, i hope he mentions that .. because thats the real success of a project .. the ppl who can do it themselves .. imho
17:43 slef and the people who do it with a mix of service providers
17:43 slef which we're doing more and more
17:43 rangi yeah thats cool
17:43 slef (including internal+external)
17:43 slef Marshall's numbers remain unverifiable.
17:44 slef Unless something's changed?
17:44 sekjal points out the migration from LibLime to ByWater and Independent
17:44 sekjal but as for independent Koha, he's says most US libraries get help from a company, so he doesn't mention it very prominently
17:44 bag nothing has changed slef
17:44 rangi yeah we now have a public library who does their own upgrades via packages
17:44 rangi which is pretty cool
17:44 bag hey that's cool
17:44 slef I'm a statistician, so I don't trust secret datasets or methodologies much.
17:45 bag :)
17:45 rangi im a mathematician so i dont trust statisticians much *grin*
17:46 sekjal talking about satisfaction:  "koha from liblime is pretty low"
17:46 rangi actually i lie, i actually did about as many stats as pure math papers at  uni
17:46 bag is nengard there?
17:47 sekjal bag: she didn't want to come
17:47 sekjal slef: haven't seen marshall's raw data, no, but I haven't looked in depth
17:48 rangi @wunder nzwn
17:48 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (6:00 AM NZDT on March 23, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
17:49 rangi go away humidity
17:49 chris_n @wunder 28334
17:49 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 25.0°C (1:35 PM EDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
17:49 slef sekjal: now you're not at a vendor, maybe marshall would let you see the data. I don't know.
17:49 rangi nz are sposta be losing to south africa at cricket in wellington today
17:50 sekjal slef: could be worth asking.  do it as an academic librarian... could work
17:53 * rangi is very happy about bug 7760
17:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton
17:54 sekjal marshall is estimating from 15-30 full time (equivalent) developers in the Koha sphere
17:55 rangi i think thats about right
17:55 sekjal seems reasonable... only real way to do the comparison with proprietary companies, i think
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17:56 slef rangi: you reckon? Seems low to me. I think up to half of any LMS's development effort is site-specific integration work.
17:57 rangi fulltime devs? yeah i think round 20 is about right in a given month
17:58 slef rangi: yeah, but that's in the community code, not the whole sphere
17:58 rangi but if you want to count ppl doing implementation probbaly 40ish
18:00 rangi i mean you dont get 256 migrations in a year in the philippines
18:00 rangi without a few ppl working on
18:00 rangi it
18:00 sean i have searched everywhere and tried many things, but i can't figure this out.  when i try to start zebrasrv, is " Failed to listen on..."  does anybody have any insight?
18:00 rangi when i was asked about it, i was asked how many would i estimate were committing code to the git repo on a full time basis
18:01 rangi so thats how i answered
18:01 slef sean: second question
18:01 wahanui somebody said second question was "What is the exact error message?"
18:01 rangi it specifically didnt count implementers
18:01 sean oh.  i posted it earlier.  one sec
18:02 slef sean: "netstat -apn" as root may show something else listening on one of the zebrasrv ports
18:02 slef sean: oh I'll look back
18:02 slef "Failed to listen on /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml"
18:02 slef that's odd
18:03 slef koha-conf.xml is a config file, not a port
18:03 * slef looks at his server
18:03 sean yup.  and i ran it with just -v -f
18:03 slef sean: why aren't you using ?
18:03 sekjal .... LL customer speaking now is confusing "Koha" and "LibLime" unconsciously in her speech
18:04 sekjal but does recognize that it is proprietary, not open source
18:04 slef sekjal: :(
18:04 sean because the shell was crashing with nothing to show
18:04 slef sean: then try: sh -x start # and put the output into
18:04 sean when i ran the shell script, it would say "starting server" but there would be no process
18:05 sean will do
18:05 rangi sekjal: can you heckle? :)
18:05 slef although actually zebrasrv -f should work OK :-/
18:05 * slef rereads back
18:05 sekjal quesitons at the end... I have to catch a train soon
18:05 rangi oe at least say :You are only talking about liblime eh?"
18:05 sekjal now she's badmouthing the system
18:05 sean slef: right
18:05 rangi yeah, thats where it needs to be clear its not koha
18:06 jcamins_away wizzyrea: coconut barfi is amazing.
18:06 kmkale sean try with your  env vars on the same line like : KOHA_CONF=/home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/home/kk/kohaclone /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
18:07 slef jcamins_away: coconut barf???
18:07 kmkale thats working for me
18:07 jcamins_away *barfi*
18:07 slef kmkale: zebrasrv ignores the env vars doesn't it?
18:07 kmkale it will either show you the error or run the zebra server
18:07 jcamins_away Very big difference.
18:07 rangi sekjal: *sigh* hopefully the people listening understand the distinction
18:07 slef Barfi or burfi (Hindi: बर्फ़ी, Urdu: برفی), is a sweet from the Indian subcontinent. Plain barfi is made from condensed milk, cooked with sugar until it solidifies. Other varieties include besan barfi, made with besan (gram flour), and pista barfi, which is a milk barfi containing ground pistachio nuts. The name is derived from Persian barf which means ice since burfi is...
18:07 kmkale slef: I just tried that command. without the env it gives exact same error as sean got
18:08 kmkale with the env it runs
18:08 slef kmkale: something wicked this way comes!
18:08 pastebot "sean" at pasted "zebra server: failed to listen on" (24 lines) at
18:08 kmkale hey barfi, puranpoli
18:08 kmkale today #koha is full of our sweets!!
18:09 sekjal did my corrections
18:09 sekjal got to pack up and go
18:09 rangi thank you sekjal
18:09 slef sekjal thanks!
18:09 rangi safe travels
18:09 sean kmkale: giving it a shot
18:09 bag safe travels sekjal
18:10 jcamins_away Mmmm. Puranpoli looks tasty.
18:10 sekjal okay, now we're on to "what's Koha"
18:10 sekjal oh geeze
18:10 kmkale jcamins_away: come over. its on my menu tomorrow :)
18:10 rangi yikes
18:10 rangi that doesnt sound good
18:10 sekjal LL rep said that it's all open, but that you can't download LibLime Academic Koha
18:10 sekjal so... little cognitive dissonance there
18:11 sekjal ugh.  gtg.  train
18:11 jcamins_away kmkale: oooh, wish I could.
18:11 sean kmkale: got a permission denied.  huh
18:11 sean 13:11:00-22/03 [fatal] lock file /home/koha/koha-dev/var/lock/​zebradb/biblios/ [Permission denied]
18:12 chris_n search?
18:12 wahanui search is for the patrons not the librarians
18:12 chris_n zebra?
18:12 wahanui zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses
18:12 chris_n zebra faq?
18:12 chris_n search faq?
18:12 wahanui search faq is at[…]on/faq/searching/
18:12 kmkale sean: check perms on the full path upto /home/koha/koha-dev/var/lock/zebradb/biblios
18:12 kmkale and hope you are running the command as koha user?
18:12 data_doctor zebra has poor documentation
18:12 sean yup, just starting.  odd.  i did the whole installation from the koha super user
18:13 data_doctor on its site
18:13 kmkale as super user?
18:13 kmkale then the perms might be for root. check
18:13 sean a user called "koha" with sudo
18:13 sean haven't logged in as root since i first installed the server
18:14 kmkale did you do install with sudo <command>?
18:14 sean yup, from the koha user
18:14 kmkale aah check the ownership of the above path
18:15 slef chris_n: enjoying groping wahanui?
18:15 sean bah.  root owns koha-dev
18:15 kmkale :)
18:15 kmkale sean for a dev install no need to use sudo
18:15 rangi ok time to feed the kids, back from the bus in a bit
18:15 sean i feel like i missed a "check the damn cables" step in troubleshooting
18:16 * jcamins_away eats some regular bitter orange fudge as a consolation for not having coconut barfi.
18:16 sean off the top of your head, before i ask allmighty google, can i recursively change the ownership of koha-dev?
18:17 jcamins_away Yes.
18:17 kmkale sean: yup
18:17 sean been away from linux for a while
18:17 kmkale chown -R
18:17 jcamins_away chown -R sean:sean ~/koha-dev
18:17 slef chown -R user:group ~/koha-dev
18:17 kmkale aahh I think he is using the koha user?
18:17 sean rog.  thanks
18:18 jcamins_away sean: right, whichever user you are running Koha as.
18:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #677: NOW UNSTABLE in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/677/
18:19 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7768 - acqui/ remove sub displayresults to fix plack scoping
18:19 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7767 - acqui/ our $template scoping for plack
18:19 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7765 - labels/ plack $layout scoping
18:19 jenkins_koha * f.demians: SIGNED-OFF Bug 7590 Cataloging authorities search result page is broken
18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add unique ids and a module class to all acquisitions pages
18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add unique ids and a module class to all authorities pages
18:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7768 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , acqui/ remove sub displayresults to fix scoping
18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add unique ids and a module class to all administration pages
18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (cart)
18:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7767 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , acqui/ our $template scoping
18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (batch, error)
18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (catalog)
18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (cataloguing)
18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (circulation)
18:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7765 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , $layout scoping for plack #20
18:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7590 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Cataloging authorities search result page is broken
18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (lists, suggestion, z39.50)
18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (patrons)
18:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton
18:20 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (serials)
18:20 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (tools)
18:20 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (patroncard, labels)
18:20 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (reports, ...)
18:20 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7779 - tools/ scope vars for plack
18:20 jenkins_koha * juan.sieira: Bug 6140 - Set a timeout to z3950 servers that could have network problems occasionally
18:20 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 6140 follow-up: DBRev number
18:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7779 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , tools/ scope vars for plack
18:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6140 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, juan.sieira, Pushed to Master , Set a timeout to z3950 servers that could have network problems occasionally
18:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #678 for job Koha_master (previous build: NOW UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #675 2 hr 1 min ago)
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18:22 sean kmkale: the process showed up.  sigh.  looks like it was a permission issue the whole time.  i suppose this is a good issue to have when getting back into linux.  i checked everything BUT that
18:24 kmkale sean: heh. perms get you many times
18:24 kmkale even if you work on linux full time
18:24 kmkale but you had the zebrasrb path prob in the sh file too
18:24 kmkale anyway glad its solved for you :)
18:25 jcamins_away sean: I have probably installed Koha in dev mode several dozen times now.
18:25 jcamins_away Can you guess how many times I've been tripped up by that?
18:26 jcamins_away (hint: not quite as many times as I've installed Koha in dev mode, but pretty close)
18:26 jcamins_away :)
18:27 kmkale :)
18:27 sean hmmm.  my librarian still says that searching is not working.  guess i'm still in troubleshooting mode
18:27 jcamins_away sean: now you have to reindex.
18:27 kmkale sean: now run the
18:28 jcamins_away misc/migration_tools/ -b -a -r -v
18:28 sean i already did before the servgice was running.  should i do it again?
18:28 kmkale whith your env of koha_conf and perl5lib exported :)
18:28 jcamins_away sean: if the permissions were wrong, the reindex probably didn't actually work successfully.
18:28 sean i also still need to do the cronjob
18:28 kmkale sean: yes
18:28 sean ah, jcamins, good point
18:32 sean no success, after rebuild.  i wonder if i jacked up the perms on the zebra db as well
18:32 sean is that where the index is stored?
18:33 jcamins_away sean: it should be in ~/koha-dev/var/lib
18:33 kmkale sean: for a dev install the db is also under koha-dev
18:35 sean then that shouldn't be a problem, since i changed the ownership of the whole directory
18:35 jcamins_away Right.
18:39 sean nothing is coming up in the "search catalog".  strange.  i'm still poking around
18:39 sean i do have some stuff popping up in the error log, though...
18:40 jcamins_away sean: what's in the error log?
18:40 sean [Thu Mar 22 13:37:15 2012] [error] [client] [Thu Mar 22 13:37:15 2012] could not find ParserDetails.ini in /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/XML/SAX, referer:[…]
18:41 jcamins_away Okay, you're missing some dependencies.
18:41 jcamins_away Run...
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18:41 jcamins_away -m
18:41 sean i tried to load all the sax packages i could, earlier
18:41 sean k. running...
18:41 wizzyrea or more -> about koha -> perl modules
18:42 jcamins_away wizzyrea: oh, good thought.
18:42 wizzyrea sometimes it happens :)
18:43 sean where is that perl script?
18:43 tfaile joined #koha
18:43 jcamins_away kohaclone.
18:43 wizzyrea just do it through the web interface: more -> about koha -> perl modules
18:43 jcamins_away But wizzyrea's suggestion is probably better.
18:43 wizzyrea should show you what you're missing
18:43 sekjal joined #koha
18:43 wizzyrea less worrying about env that way :P
18:44 sekjal made my train
18:44 jcamins_away sekjal: yay!
18:44 jcamins_away And there's wifi!
18:44 sean oh.  you said that, but i wasn't following.  i'm just a computer guy.  i know very little about koha :)
18:44 sekjal indeed... though kind of spotty wifi
18:44 wizzyrea ah we were all there once :)
18:44 jcamins_away Except me. I was there twice.
18:44 jcamins_away :)
18:44 wizzyrea well, you're the exception.
18:45 wizzyrea kekeke
18:45 jcamins_away Yes. I learned to use Koha 3.0 way back, then forgot everything, and had to start over with 3.2.
18:45 wizzyrea oh that doesn't count really.
18:45 rangi Back
18:45 wizzyrea wb
18:46 * wizzyrea ponders the cinnamon sweet rolls in the kitchen
18:46 jcamins_away Oooh.
18:46 jcamins_away I want cinnamon sweet rolls.
18:46 kmkale wizzyrea: you are really on food today :)
18:46 wizzyrea every day!
18:46 wahanui somebody said every day was a koha hackfest here at Catalyst :D
18:46 wizzyrea more or less :)
18:46 wizzyrea sorry, that should read *coconut* sweet rolls
18:46 jcamins_away wahanui: every day is also a good day to talk about food
18:46 wahanui okay, jcamins_away.
18:47 sean it says i have all the sax modules
18:47 jcamins_away wizzyrea: ooooooooooooooohhhhh!
18:47 wizzyrea did you edit your parserdetails.ini to put the right sax parser at the bottom?
18:47 rangi Ohh anitsirk did another sign off
18:47 sean probably not :)  i found a post about that, but i'm not certain at all if i did the correct edit
18:47 wizzyrea it's in the install.debian
18:48 wizzyrea have we established if you were doing a package install or a regular one/
18:48 * wizzyrea was at lunch didn't see all of it
18:48 sean git
18:48 wizzyrea kk
18:48 rangi I did a patch to make that not necessary
18:48 wizzyrea[…]0ec2;hb=HEAD#l130
18:48 wizzyrea oooo
18:48 wizzyrea we should update the instructions then.
18:49 wizzyrea rangi- we don't need to do that parserdetails.ini edit *at all* anymore?
18:49 libsysguy man bug 5339 went out of date again
18:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5339 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Parcel closing in acq
18:49 wizzyrea instructions regarding that can go away
18:50 wizzyrea (just making sure I understand)
18:50 rangi I don't think it was pushed I remember some trolly egg who works for a,logs competitor being an egg
18:50 sean i edited parser earlier.  i put expatxs at the bottom, not knowing any better
18:50 wizzyrea no, that's wrong
18:50 rangi Koha competitor
18:50 sean in retrospect, i probably jacked up the entire file
18:50 wizzyrea naw
18:50 wizzyrea sean - see that link?
18:51 rangi And I gave up arguing
18:51 wizzyrea it tells you exactly what the end of the file should look like
18:51 sean yup, saw it.  about to implement :)
18:51 wizzyrea great :)
18:51 jcamins_away What do eggs have to do with anything?
18:51 * jcamins_away totally failed at following that conversation.
18:51 rangi Ill see if I can resurrect
18:51 wizzyrea I think rangi is replacing swearwords with eggs
18:51 * wizzyrea uses shampoo.
18:51 jcamins_away Ohhh.
18:51 wizzyrea trolly shampoo sounds like a godsend
18:51 jcamins_away That makes sense. :)
18:52 rangi Hehe no its an nz thing
18:52 wizzyrea lol or that
18:52 rangi Watch the movie boy
18:52 * wizzyrea keeps meaning to do that
18:52 rangi Ull learn the slang I grew up with
18:52 wizzyrea that's a pretty good incentive.
18:52 wizzyrea replacing swearwords with egg is pretty fun too though, you have to admit
18:53 rangi Spoon is another one
18:54 sekjal spoon?
18:54 wahanui There is no spoon.
18:54 rangi You egg could be you spoon
18:54 rangi That guys such a spoon
18:55 rangi I think they use spoon in the ghost chips advert
18:55 rangi I'd look but YouTube on 3g gets expensive
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18:58 sean still no results.  should i restart zebrasrv?
18:58 jcamins_away faq?
18:58 wahanui faq is found at
19:00 jcamins_away ^^ it might be a good idea to take a look through that.
19:00 sean been over the faq numerous times in the past 24 hours :)
19:01 jcamins_away Oh.
19:01 wizzyrea do you know if your initial index was successful?
19:01 wizzyrea perhaps start there.
19:01 sean "Records exported: 0"  is that a bad thing?
19:02 rangi Yes means u have none
19:02 sean well then :)  good to know
19:02 rangi That was -b -v -x -r eh?
19:02 wizzyrea ok, do you *have* any records?
19:03 sean i have just over 2k records
19:03 wizzyrea because we don't include any in the sample data.
19:03 wizzyrea ok good.
19:03 sean -b -a -r -v
19:03 * wizzyrea just had to make sure
19:03 sean i migrated an existing db to a new server
19:03 wizzyrea ah cool
19:04 rangi Try without -a
19:04 rangi Just do biblio first
19:05 sean 0 again.  however, i noticed an error message, but it scrolled by too fast.  going to dump that output and read it
19:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #678: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/678/
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19:08 sean the screen output is different from the dumped output.  the stuff on the screen is xml, while the file has the normal index output.  which means i didn't catch that error
19:09 wizzyrea the third question?
19:09 wahanui the third question is "What version of Koha are you using?"
19:09 sean oh, missed it.  3.6.x git
19:09 wizzyrea k
19:09 wizzyrea the git I caught :)
19:10 sean now that i think about it.  i didn't used to see a bunch of xml spit out when i ran rebuild before
19:12 jcamins_away sean: that means you have some record corruption. What version are you upgrading from?
19:13 sean i think the old server was also 3.6.x, but i used the package installation on that one.  i just changed servers.
19:13 sean i did the mysqldump this morning from the old, and then copied it over
19:14 sean regarding ParserDetails.ini, should i remove XML::SAX::ExpatXS?
19:14 sean libxml::sax is at the bottom
19:14 wizzyrea as long as the right thing is at the end, you don't need to
19:14 sean k
19:17 sean ah.  sax_parser_print said i was a bad boy
19:17 sean it's picking up the pureperl entry, even though the correct entry is at the bottom
19:18 wizzyrea ok, is pureperl at the *top*
19:18 wizzyrea ?
19:18 wizzyrea when in doubt
19:18 wizzyrea get rid of everything except the thing that is supposed to be there.
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19:18 rangi ahh rollingloans.t
19:18 * wizzyrea proposes the nuclear approach
19:19 sean lol "that is supposed to be there"
19:19 rangi ill submit a patch doing the db thing like we did for ratings
19:19 * jcamins_away tries to decide which parts of the table to take off of which other parts.
19:19 wizzyrea [XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser]
19:19 wizzyrea 147 = 1
19:19 wizzyrea only that
19:19 wizzyrea (without the 147
19:19 wizzyrea )
19:19 sean giving it a shot :)
19:22 sean weird.  deleted everything but the correct entry and sax_parser_print STILL says it sees pureperl.  interesting
19:22 sean maybe just remove that package entirely?
19:22 sean does anything else need it?
19:22 wizzyrea you are looking at /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini
19:22 wizzyrea ?
19:22 sean oh.  just noticed the path it was referring to
19:23 sean i was looking at etc, but this script is looking at /usr/local
19:23 wizzyrea you installed as standard or as dev?
19:24 sean dev
19:25 sean it's looking for the file at the usr location, but the file resides in etc
19:25 sean maybe just a symlink?
19:25 wizzyrea no one else has this problem that I'm aware of.
19:25 sean ysy
19:25 sean yay
19:26 sean where should parserdetails.ini normally reside?
19:26 wizzyrea /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini
19:26 sean yup, that's where it's at
19:26 jcamins_away Why aren't you just using packages, BTW?
19:27 sean i read that it was a little easier, in some ways, to upgrade with a git installation
19:27 jcamins_away sean: no, it's a lot harder.
19:27 sean thought i would give it a shot
19:27 sean :'(
19:27 jcamins_away If you're not planning on doing development, packages are the best choice.
19:27 sean should i just nuke then?
19:28 rangi  <-- how to use the word spoon .. at 29 seconds
19:29 jcamins_away sean: up to you.
19:29 sean i think i'll nuke and do the package
19:31 jcamins_away Good choice.
19:31 sean virtual servers ftw
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19:32 jcamins_away rangi: having watched that, I'm not entirely clear on what spoon means.
19:34 rangi it means the same as egg!
19:34 rangi :)
19:36 rangi and really that was all just a ploy to paste this again
19:36 rangi
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19:37 wizzyrea you know I can't eat ur ghost chups.
19:38 chris_n what is the proper "name" for the "database" on a z3950 server running sirsi?
19:38 * bag loves playing with plackup
19:38 rangi egg ?
19:38 rangi crap?
19:39 wizzyrea UNICORN
19:39 wizzyrea I think.
19:39 rangi thisdoesn'twork!
19:39 rangi :)
19:39 chris_n lol rangi
19:39 * rangi is totally in friday mood
19:39 wizzyrea YOURMOM
19:40 jcamins_away youmaynothaveyourdata
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19:53 wizzyrea goodluckgettingyourstuffsuckers
19:55 sean in a new install of debian, is /etc/apt supposed to exist?
19:59 ibeardslee as a directory, yes it should
20:00 sean it doesn't.  i wonder wy
20:00 sean why
20:01 ibeardslee what happens if you do an 'apt-get update' ?
20:02 sean command not found
20:02 sean i just installed this server on rackspace wtf
20:03 rangi yeah i dont think you got debian :)
20:04 sean i must have clicked too quickly.  obviously, i need more margarita
20:04 rangi yes
20:04 rangi that is pretty much the fix for everything :)
20:05 sean i've been in project management for the past 6 years.  haven't touched a server in all that time.  relearning everying
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20:06 rangi[…]ug.cgi?id=5158#c4
20:06 huginn Bug 5158: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, camins, ASSIGNED , Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors
20:07 sekjal blog post summarizing the session I was just in: http://hurstassociates.blogspo[…]e-trends-and.html
20:07 * rangi looks
20:08 sekjal not much about the question/answer portion at the end
20:08 rangi hmm
20:09 rangi about what i expected, sad that the LL customers believe the FUD from LL
20:09 sekjal yeah... her library didn't want Koha, they wanted Polaris
20:09 sekjal were forced to go with LibLime's quote by those doing the budget
20:10 rangi yeah thats never going to go well
20:10 wizzyrea what's the thing about the koha fight?
20:10 rangi ppl who chose free software on price
20:10 rangi not good for koha .. or them
20:10 sekjal me v. LL
20:10 wizzyrea OH
20:10 sekjal there were some... ambiguities I wanted to help clear up
20:11 eythian_bucklame > Koha in general is being developed by volunteers.
20:11 eythian_bucklame Not convinced that's true at all
20:11 * wizzyrea either
20:11 sekjal the librarian was ripping on feature-based quirks that are not actually a problem in Koha
20:11 sekjal depends how you measure
20:11 wizzyrea last I checked most of you got paid to do work on koha :P
20:11 * wizzyrea does
20:11 sekjal if it's by number of individuals who have contributed code, perhaps
20:11 sekjal we have lots of volunteers contributing one or two patches
20:12 eythian_bucklame sekjal: that's likely true, but by number of patches or something, I think it's not true.
20:12 sekjal but if you go by number of commits, or SLOC contributed, it's mostly from a few groups
20:13 rangi i think its a very healthy mix
20:13 eythian_bucklame > Wow...we nearly had a Koha fight!
20:13 eythian_bucklame what's that mean?
20:14 sekjal eythian_bucklame: after I spoke, a rep from LL spoke saying they don't have any proprietary code
20:14 wizzyrea sekjal was defending our honor ;)
20:14 rangi sekjal clarified, and i expect a liblime employee spread lies to counter .. its pretty much their MO
20:14 wizzyrea did you ask them about the trademark
20:14 sekjal I asked where we can download LibLime Academic Koha, and they said it's not available because it hasn't been signed off by it's sponsors
20:14 sekjal trademark didn't come up
20:15 eythian_bucklame rangi: that's quite true, however it's often a marketing thing that's used to make free software look "bad" because everyone knows a big company doing everything is clearly the best model *cough*
20:15 sekjal well, no, it did
20:15 rangi eythian_bucklame: yup
20:15 sekjal mbreeding brought it up as he attempted to cool everyone down
20:15 sekjal I was packing up to leave at that point
20:15 rangi lol
20:15 rangi here let me throw some oil on the fire to calm it down
20:15 wizzyrea whoa sounds contentious
20:16 sekjal didn't mention NZ trademark, just that LL owns "the trademark" (true only for US, but wasn't worth me continuing the fight over, since the whole talk was very US-centric)
20:16 wizzyrea well, and I don't care if you don't allow download because waldo hasn't signed off
20:16 wizzyrea it's not open until you do
20:16 sekjal exactly.  "will be released" and "is released" are two entirely different things
20:17 rangi yup
20:17 rangi how many ppl in the room?
20:17 rangi hopefully being librarians they can do some research themselves
20:17 rangi :)
20:17 wizzyrea the whole thing probably has license terms on it "GPL! GPL!" except... it's not open until it's released to the public. So moot.
20:17 sekjal rangi:  50-70, I'd guess
20:17 eythian_bucklame *grumble*grumble*AGPL*grumble* ;)
20:17 wizzyrea hehe
20:18 wizzyrea man that whole thing kinda died didn't it
20:18 wizzyrea we got busy with things like HOURLY LOANS
20:18 * wizzyrea throws confetti
20:18 * wizzyrea rents the disco ball
20:18 rangi ok bug 5549 and 6679
20:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans
20:19 rangi have trivially easy patches to sign off
20:19 eythian_bucklame wizzyrea: don't forget the smoke machine!
20:19 rangi and they will make jenkins happy
20:20 wizzyrea rangi - just run the db dependent tests?
20:20 rangi yep for one of them, and the other run
20:20 rangi TEST_QA=1 perl t/00-testcritic.t
20:20 wizzyrea check.
20:21 wizzyrea hm I must be missing some test data. Is ok, rollingloans.t still works.
20:22 rangi sorry?
20:22 rangi without the patch?
20:22 rangi if it works without the patch, it must be the opposite, you must have the test data :)
20:23 wizzyrea no no, I have other things that are failing
20:23 wizzyrea i suspect I do not have a serial in this data, for example
20:23 rangi perl t/db_dependent/rollingloans.t
20:23 rangi id do
20:23 wizzyrea it works
20:23 wizzyrea :)
20:23 rangi after the patch?
20:23 rangi or before?
20:23 wizzyrea yes, after
20:24 rangi phew :) ok :)
20:24 wizzyrea sorry! didn't mean to alarm you
20:24 rangi not alarmed just confused :)
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20:32 rangi this weather is pants
20:34 sekjal looking at around 15% packet loss here...
20:35 sean stupid question, but i'm running out of time.  after the package install, where is debian.packages located>
20:37 * rangi goes to investigate bug 7729
20:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , svc API should allow modification of items
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20:50 wizzyrea can someone confirm for me - add a child patron on 3.6.4
20:51 wizzyrea mine has failed with a "this user does not exist"
20:51 wizzyrea but i'm trying it again
20:51 rangi works on master tho?
20:51 wizzyrea yes, apparently
20:51 rangi hmmm
20:51 wizzyrea however, I did change the category from a non-guarantor allowed category (staff) to a guarantor allowed category.
20:51 wizzyrea maybe that did it.
20:52 rangi could be
20:52 rangi but a better error message would be nice
20:52 rangi Space_Librarian: going to the cricket?
20:52 Space_Librarian When it's on, I'll be there.
20:53 Space_Librarian Hoping for a decent spell with the weather tomorrow and Sunday.
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20:54 wizzyrea nope I can't do it at all... when I try to save it just does "this patron does not exist" and redirects to borrowernumber 0
20:55 wizzyrea ooo
20:55 wizzyrea get this
20:55 wizzyrea I put "NEKLSTESTPATRON11111" in the cardnumber
20:55 wizzyrea and that's when it wouldn't sae.
20:55 wizzyrea save.
20:57 wizzyrea whoa
20:57 wizzyrea testing_protocols++
20:57 rangi Space_Librarian: yeah i was planning to go down today ... if play starts
20:57 rangi ohh koha user group meeting at the treasury dept .. cool ;)
20:59 Space_Librarian orly? (on both counts)
21:00 rangi yup, you'll see the email on nz-libs .. and yes i have my beige in my bag
21:00 Space_Librarian I'm short staffed, or I would be there for the arvo session (if play starts)
21:03 wizzyrea so one can only put 16 digit cardnumbers in borrower?
21:03 rangi yes
21:04 rangi cardnumber varchar(16) default NULL,
21:04 wizzyrea okies well that explains my problem then
21:04 wizzyrea moving on, nothing to see here
21:04 wizzyrea :)
21:04 Space_Librarian ;)
21:05 * wizzyrea consulted the schema
21:05 wizzyrea I love the schema.
21:06 rangi i should regen that
21:06 rangi 2 secs
21:06 wizzyrea yes, you should :)
21:06 wizzyrea (and thanks)
21:06 rangi[…]+Fire/z7ZEt?src=5
21:07 rangi listen to that while you wait
21:07 rangi :)
21:07 wizzyrea ah that's nice.
21:08 wizzyrea thumbs up to that one.
21:10 kathryn hi wizzyrea and Space_Librarian : )
21:11 Space_Librarian hey kathryn
21:11 rangi your call is important to us, please continue to hold
21:11 rangi[…]cust/2woQNK?src=5
21:12 rangi its scping up now
21:14 rangi you are next in the priority queue, one of our trained operators is standing by to take your call
21:14 rangi
21:14 Space_Librarian lol.
21:14 Space_Librarian Right. Need my quad shot. bbiab
21:17 wizzyrea lol i love you guys.
21:20 rangi ok its all updated
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21:25 data_doctor g'nite!
21:30 wizzyrea wot ty
21:30 wizzyrea woot
21:30 wizzyrea even.
21:32 wizzyrea batch modifying frameworks - something to consider?
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21:33 rangi hmmm
21:33 wizzyrea and what i mean is
21:33 rangi could be hella messy
21:33 rangi and what i mean is
21:33 rangi NOT ME
21:33 rangi :)
21:33 wizzyrea take a bunch of bibs and modify them from their current framework to a new framework
21:33 rangi oh
21:33 rangi i thought you meant modifying the frameworks
21:33 wizzyrea no no
21:33 wizzyrea we already have import
21:34 wizzyrea that's how I would do a batch change of frameworks :P
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21:34 rangi why not add that as an option to the batch biblio modification
21:34 wizzyrea eff ya
21:34 wizzyrea boyee
21:35 wizzyrea do we have batch bib modification?
21:35 rangi not signed off
21:35 wizzyrea OH
21:35 wizzyrea derp.
21:35 wizzyrea and probably way out of date
21:35 wizzyrea oyyyy
21:35 rangi yeah will need a tidy up
21:36 rangi bug 5725
21:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, laurence.lefaucheur, Failed QA , Batch modifications for Biblios
21:36 rangi october last year
21:36 rangi so TT
21:36 rangi so not as bad
21:36 wizzyrea not SO bad.
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21:38 rangi still on the train sekjal ?
21:38 sekjal rangi:  yup, 4.5 hrs more to go
21:38 sekjal internet seems a little better now
21:39 rangi thats a long ride
21:39 sekjal got my followup for 5549 suspension in days attached to bug report
21:39 sekjal yeah, 7hrs total
21:39 sekjal DC to Springfield, mA
21:39 rangi sweet i did a follow for the test
21:39 sekjal it's getting put together
21:40 sekjal very encouraging stuff
21:40 wizzyrea also - the sort on the items screen
21:40 wizzyrea edit items*
21:40 wizzyrea it should be by home branch
21:40 wizzyrea not holding branch.
21:40 * wizzyrea grumps about it.
21:41 sekjal I think bug 5668 is almost ready, too
21:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Signed Off , Star ratings in the opac
21:45 rangi yay
21:45 rangi wizzyrea: wasnt someone wanting the opposite for teh detail page?
21:45 rangi sort by holding not home
21:46 rangi 123 :)
21:46 wizzyrea no
21:46 wizzyrea no no
21:46 wizzyrea they always want to sort by home
21:47 rangi oh i dont think they do
21:47 wizzyrea lol
21:47 wizzyrea we just fixed the detail to sort by home
21:47 wizzyrea ^.^
21:47 rangi yeah and someone already complained
21:47 rangi :)
21:47 sekjal ah, but what about floating collections?
21:47 wizzyrea lol gfdi.
21:47 rangi exacterly!
21:47 wizzyrea who complained?
21:47 wizzyrea just curious
21:47 rangi ppl who use floating collections
21:47 rangi i think katrin
21:47 wizzyrea oh psh.
21:47 rangi raised that
21:47 wizzyrea well they are speshul
21:48 rangi heh
21:48 wizzyrea no seriously
21:48 wizzyrea we'll have to figure something out for that
21:48 wizzyrea for floating
21:48 rangi yup
21:48 rangi and then just random others who are weird
21:48 wizzyrea that's a legitimate complaint. :)
21:48 wizzyrea and now
21:48 wizzyrea new*
21:48 wizzyrea split out floating items into their own table?
21:48 wizzyrea that is sorted by holding?
21:48 sekjal NO!
21:48 sekjal oh god no
21:48 wizzyrea haha
21:49 sekjal no more tables
21:49 sekjal not for that, anyway
21:49 rangi users dont care
21:49 rangi they want to know where the book is
21:49 rangi thats all
21:49 rangi this whole owned by but here but sorted this way
21:50 rangi is just obfusctication
21:50 sekjal I think the issue is access
21:50 rangi just tell me where the goddamned item is and if i can have it
21:50 sekjal the item may be at a different holding branch, but can I get it from there?
21:50 sekjal or does it have to go home first?
21:50 rangi exactly
21:50 rangi its here
21:50 wizzyrea but people's definition of "where it is" is different.
21:51 sekjal "that depends on what 'is' is"
21:51 sean i'm so tired of errors.  has anyone seen this?
21:51 sean Could not create file parser context for file "/etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml": Permission denied at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/LibXML/ line 80  at /usr/share/perl5/XML/ line 362
21:51 rangi but availability should say, needs transger
21:51 rangi fer even
21:51 wizzyrea hmmm
21:51 wizzyrea I'd have to think about that.
21:51 rangi or not available at this branch
21:51 wizzyrea for a not-logged-in user
21:51 rangi or something
21:51 sean i started fresh with a clean server and a package install
21:51 wizzyrea we don't know where they are
21:51 wizzyrea or who they belong to
21:52 sean i get that error when i try to surf to the page
21:52 wizzyrea i'm thinking opac
21:52 sekjal it's not about loans or transfers; it's about fulfillment.  what's the quickest way for me to get X?
21:52 rangi yep, its a tricky one, but i dont think another column listing who owns the book helps
21:52 wizzyrea it helps staff.
21:52 rangi yes
21:52 rangi but keep that off the opac
21:52 wizzyrea not necessarily patrons though
21:52 rangi less is more
21:52 rangi theres already too much on the opac
21:52 wizzyrea marc = too much
21:52 rangi tl;dr went to amazon instead
21:53 rangi thats what most opacs are
21:53 wizzyrea haha
21:56 sean should the perl5 directory be more open?  i was so close to being done with this install, and now i can't even access the site
21:57 rangi looks you you have messed up permissions again
21:57 sean but on the perl5 directory?  does the koha user have to own that too?
21:57 sekjal bug 5668
21:57 wahanui bug 5668 is almost ready, too
21:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Passed QA , Star ratings in the opac
21:57 rangi no
21:58 rangi the error is saying
21:58 rangi Could not create file parser context for file "/etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml"
21:58 rangi its that file
21:58 rangi what user owns that? and the dir its in?
21:58 sean koha owns every from /etc/koha on down
21:59 rangi can you look at the apache config for it
21:59 rangi its should be
21:59 rangi /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha
22:00 rangi what does it have on the line that starts
22:00 rangi AssignUserID
22:00 rangi you installed koha-common right
22:00 rangi and then went
22:00 rangi sudo koha-create --create-db koha
22:00 rangi ?
22:01 sean koha-common, yup
22:01 * sekjal wishes he was in New Zealand right now and not New Jersey
22:01 sean i have two entries for assignuserid, because i have a port 80 and a port 8080
22:01 sean both have koha_koha koha_koha
22:01 rangi thats the problem then
22:01 sean sorry, dashes
22:02 sean i should just edit the apache file, right?
22:02 rangi koha-conf.xml should be owned by that user
22:02 rangi no
22:02 rangi you didnt do something like chown on /etc/koha or anything like that did you?
22:02 rangi because out of the box
22:03 rangi /etc/koha is owned by root
22:03 sean i did do chown
22:03 rangi yeah .. you didnt want to do that
22:03 sean can i fix it with recursive ownership for root?
22:03 rangi try this chown -R koha-koha /etc/koha/sites/koha
22:04 rangi then try hitting the site again
22:04 sean did the koha-create make another user?
22:04 sean koha-koha?
22:04 rangi yes
22:04 sean oh
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22:21 Space_Librarian orly? this could be interesting...
22:21 rangi[…]marshall-breeding
22:22 rangi hmm not sure about this
22:22 rangi[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7787
22:22 huginn Bug 7787: normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , SIP server closes the TCP connection when it receives an invalid message
22:22 rangi Note how the server closes the connection when you just hit enter 3 time or send any garbage.  With the patch applied, the server will not close the connection.
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22:35 Space_Librarian rangi: I see it's an early  lunch with play underway at 12:30-ish?
22:35 rangi here's hoping
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22:39 sekjal aaaah, wifi is much better in this car
22:39 Space_Librarian sekjal: that sounds wrong.
22:40 sekjal Space_Librarian:  train car
22:41 sean does koha mess with scp in any way?
22:42 rangi no
22:43 sean after loading up, i can no longer scp my db dump to the new server
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22:43 rangi it doesnt touch that at all, can you ssh to it?
22:44 rangi if not, you might want to check it has an ssh server running
22:44 rangi (which is what scp uses)
22:44 sean i'm currently ssh'd in
22:44 sean makes no sense
22:44 rangi dont logout
22:44 rangi but try another connection
22:45 sean i can console in, if needed
22:45 sean rackspace
22:45 rangi no idea, but no koha doesnt touch that, .. you sure its not permissions again, try scping it to /tmp
22:47 Space_Librarian re: cricket *throws hands up in despair*
22:47 rangi heh
22:48 sean ssh is running, but i can't scp to the server.  it's stupid
22:49 sean i did nothing except load koha and change the root password
22:49 rangi what user are you scping in as?
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22:57 mbalmer kohaistas!
22:58 Space_Librarian ola!
22:59 sean got the scp working
22:59 sean now i'm trying to upload a previous db
22:59 sean i figured it would be good to do that as user "koha-koha", but that isn't working
23:00 sean can i restore the db as root?
23:00 rangi sudo koha-mysql koha < db_dump.sql
23:01 sean i'm already logged in as root
23:01 rangi then just koha-mysql koha < yourfile
23:01 sean mysql -u koha-koha -p koha_koha < stuff
23:01 sean isn't working
23:01 rangi no it wont
23:02 sean thanks for your help, btw
23:02 rangi no worries
23:03 mbalmer marseille is crazy, they repair a street and there is endless honking..
23:04 mbalmer as if the traffic moves faster...
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23:06 * Space_Librarian can't wait to see Marseille
23:06 mbalmer when will you be here?  it's a nice town.
23:06 Space_Librarian September
23:06 wahanui well, September is a good dead line
23:08 mbalmer I hope they fixed the road until then, this honking is unbearable...
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23:12 sean rangi: when i ran koha-mysql it gave this...
23:12 sean warning: failed to load external entity "/etc/koha/sites/koha_koha/koha-conf.xml
23:12 sean several times
23:12 sean ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: N                                     O)
23:12 rangi right
23:13 rangi did you do this
23:13 rangi koha-mysql koha < yourfile
23:13 rangi or
23:13 rangi koha-mysql koha_koha
23:13 rangi because i suspect you did the second and thats wrong
23:13 sean koha_koha, because that's the name of the db
23:14 rangi yes
23:14 sean when i do "koha", it doesn't seem to work
23:14 rangi but thats not what you use
23:14 rangi its the name of the site
23:14 rangi which is koha
23:14 rangi it will sit their quietly
23:14 rangi until it finishes
23:15 rangi when you did koha-create you called it koha
23:15 rangi so you need to do koha-mysql koha
23:15 sean done
23:16 rangi it will take a while depending on how big your database is
23:16 sean not big
23:16 sean now i can't log via the admin site... i'm full of this stuff
23:17 rangi has it finished loading the db?
23:17 rangi login with the login details at the bottom of the koha-conf.xml files
23:17 sean been trying
23:18 sean i'm an idiot.  moving on
23:19 mbalmer heh..  what was it?
23:19 sean koha-koha vs koha_koha
23:19 mbalmer ok, shit happens.
23:20 sean i checked etc/passwd... and there is a koha-koha
23:20 sean but the db wants koha_koha
23:20 sean when i run the zebra_rebuild, who should i be logged in as?
23:21 sean i don't know the password for koha-koha, and i'm afraid to change it
23:21 sean koha_koha was in the conf file
23:21 rangi you shouldnt run rebuild_zebra
23:21 rangi not with the packages
23:21 sean oh right.  use the system command
23:22 rangi sudo koha-rebuild-zebra <instancename>
23:22 rangi for you
23:22 rangi sudo koha-rebuild-zebra koha
23:22 sean i'm still logged in as root
23:22 sean that's cool?
23:22 rangi yes
23:22 rangi well, being logged in as root isnt ever cool but apart from that yes :-)
23:23 sean i know, i know "_
23:23 * Space_Librarian laughs
23:23 sean :)
23:23 rangi you might want to pass in -r as a switch
23:23 rangi sorry
23:23 rangi -f
23:23 mbalmer at least being logged in as root gives you some power.  nothing wrong with that.
23:23 rangi for full reindex
23:23 Space_Librarian mbalmer: it also means if you do something wrong...
23:23 rangi audit trails, sudo tells you who actually ran the command
23:24 mbalmer you better not, Space_Librarian
23:24 mbalmer power comes with responsability.
23:24 Space_Librarian exactly
23:25 Space_Librarian All power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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23:25 mbalmer absolut vodka vodkas absolute
23:26 Space_Librarian yes.
23:27 ibeardslee no no no, all will be ok when you vote 'Ian for Dictator' in the next elections
23:27 ibeardslee honest
23:27 ibeardslee you can trust my smile
23:27 ibeardslee :D
23:28 Space_Librarian how are you going to convince us to vote for you? That smile doesn't work. Especially when it involves stealing meringues.
23:28 mbalmer what is realistic for PostgreSQL support in Koha, 3, 6, or 12 months?  I'd envision 6 months or 12.
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23:30 rangi well it wont be in 3.8 .. so has to wait at least 6 months for the next .0 release
23:30 mbalmer but that sounds like a realistic time frame, though 6 months might even be to short.
23:33 sekjal I think the guy in the cafe car heard 'cheeseburger' when I said 'veggie burger'... oh well
23:33 mbalmer if 3.9 comes after 3.8. maybe having full PG support in 4.0 would be a reasonable goal.
23:34 rangi 3.9 wont come after
23:34 rangi 3.10 will be after 3.8
23:34 rangi we only do even second numbers .. odd ones are the dev branch
23:35 ibeardslee Space_Librarian: It's not stealing them. They weren't getting the attention they deserved, so I looked after them.
23:35 rangi master is current 3.7.x
23:35 mbalmer ok, so maybe 3.12
23:35 Space_Librarian ibeardslee: You see me coming and you steal them.
23:35 ibeardslee it's like taking a poor homeless kitteh and giving it some love
23:36 Space_Librarian you're not doing a good job of convincing us to vote for you...
23:36 ibeardslee Space_Librarian: I moved them closer to the edge of the table for you so your didn't have to reach so far
23:36 ibeardslee .. let's ignore that it was the further side of the table
23:37 ibeardslee the closer side was too cluttered
23:37 sekjal I think we should decide, as a community, what features are going to define Koha 4.0
23:37 Space_Librarian sekjal: agreed
23:37 sekjal I know Solr is one of them, but is it the only one?  any others we want to use to define the new number?
23:37 mbalmer when will it be 4.0, I mean after which 3.X release?
23:38 sekjal mbalmer:  undefined
23:38 sekjal we'll continue on 3.X until there is a 'major structural change'
23:38 sekjal Solr is one such change
23:38 mbalmer I'd like to see full PostgreSQL support in 4.0
23:38 sekjal but should it be "Solr and something else"
23:39 rangi elasticsearch
23:39 sekjal rangi:  what's that?
23:39 rangi solr done right
23:39 rangi
23:40 rangi its a schema free, restful indexing engine
23:40 rangi seriously and i mean seriously outperforms solr
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23:41 mbalmer 4.0 is pbly at least a year from now, if not more, so PostgreSQL support in it seem reasonable and doable.
23:42 sekjal I like their 404s
23:43 sekjal oh, so what about 4.0 = ( new search engine && database independence )
23:44 rangi seems ok to me
23:44 mbalmer sekjal, lets be honest on this one:  database independence will probably only mean run on MySQL and PostgreSQL.
23:44 rangi it better not
23:45 rangi because thats a really weak definition of independence
23:45 rangi call it run on 2 databases if thats what the goal is
23:45 mbalmer That is why you should not advertise DB independence.
23:45 rangi no thats why we should try and actually do that
23:46 mbalmer it will not work.
23:46 mbalmer imo.
23:46 mbalmer and it makes not much sense, either, again imo.
23:47 rangi Space_Librarian: 2pm apparently
23:48 Space_Librarian yep. saw that
23:48 Space_Librarian curious to see where they put Flynn.
23:50 rangi yeah
23:50 mbalmer zzz time here.
23:50 mbalmer have a good koha night.
23:51 Space_Librarian ciao
23:51 cait night all :)
23:51 mbalmer night kathrin!
23:52 cait that's not me I fear
23:53 cait no th
23:55 mbalmer ah, those german nitpickers ;)
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