Time Nick Message 00:00 sekjal ah, interesting... BackgroundJob fails if your DB isn't up to date 00:00 sekjal ... and so did VirtualShelves 00:00 sekjal I've learned something 00:01 rangi that'll be it 00:01 sekjal okay, so only db_dependent test to fix is Acquisitions, and that's already written 00:02 * jcamins wanders off. 00:03 rangi DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't create table 'koha.virtualshelfshares' (errno: 150) at ./installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4984. 00:03 rangi that'll be the issue 00:05 rangi foreign key 00:11 sekjal hmmm, should t/db_dependent/Ratings.t depend on the test DB... none of the other tests seem to 00:14 rangi !jenkins buld Koha_master now 00:14 jenkins_koha rangi did you mean me? Unknown command 'buld' 00:14 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help! 00:14 rangi !jenkins build Koha_master now 00:14 jenkins_koha rangi: job Koha_master build scheduled now 00:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #671 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #668 9 h 58 mn ago) 00:32 rangi sekjal: thats on a patch right? 00:32 rangi found it 00:32 sekjal k 00:33 rangi hmm 00:35 rangi yeah 00:35 rangi it does depend on a biblio existing 00:35 rangi and a borrower .. the sample db has borrowers but no biblio's 00:35 rangi heh biblios 00:36 rangi so yeah that test will fail on the sample db that ships with koha 00:36 rangi was that what you were asking? 00:47 Oak kia ora #koha 00:47 rangi hi Oak 00:47 Oak hello rangi 00:58 rangi sup libsysguy 00:59 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 00:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #671: FIXED in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/671/ 00:59 libsysguy sup rangi 01:00 sekjal rangi: sorry, distracted. I was curious about whether we should require a specific db installed in order to make db_dependent tests work 01:01 rangi the plan was to make them work with the sample files that come with koha .. but im not sure thats feasible .. however having some sample biblio and circ rules would mean that if you did install the sample files you would have a koha that you could actually evaluate a bit better 01:01 rangi so getting the stuff in the sample db .. does have a positive side effect 01:02 rangi install sample records and items 01:02 rangi install sample circulation rules 01:02 rangi etc 01:02 sekjal so should I add a SKIP wrapper to the Ratings.t, so the tests won't fail outright if the data isn't there to do the test? 01:03 rangi actually thats a darn good idea, for 5549 too 01:03 Oak sekjal++ 01:04 Judit has anyone using chinese zebra in a library with 2(or more) branches- chinese and english 01:04 rangi not me, but anthony mao might have 01:05 rangi there's a whole koha-taiwan user group 01:07 Judit we started to use chinese zebra, but is also modified our english seraches- no surprice there 01:07 Judit just want to understand a bit more 02:40 Brooke O/ 02:40 rangi hi Brooke 02:41 Brooke howdy 02:44 Space_Librarian \o 02:45 Brooke :) 02:47 Space_Librarian ;) 02:47 Judit :D 02:51 Brooke smiles all round 03:54 rangi go to sleep paul_p ! 03:54 paul_p ;-) 03:55 paul_p can't sleep anymore (5AM) 03:55 rangi gonna be a long day then :) 03:55 paul_p some count sheeps to sleep, I will push some patches instead :D 03:55 rangi heh 03:55 Judit :) 03:55 Brooke paul_p++ 03:56 paul_p count sheeps => is it a frenchism ? 03:56 rangi no -s 03:56 Brooke non 03:56 rangi sheep is plural and singular 03:56 Judit it is a humanism 03:56 Brooke or possibly the Kiwi way to aessess one's prospects. 03:56 * Brooke ducks. 03:56 rangi 87 bugs/enh pushed to master so far in march 03:56 Judit :D 03:57 rangi 104 passed qa 03:57 rangi and 146 signed off 03:57 kmkale OMG!! Looks like the meeting is still on! Lay off ppl.. 03:58 rangi lol 03:58 Brooke hehehe 03:58 Brooke NEVAR 03:58 * Brooke sat a 17.5 hr. meeting once. 03:58 kmkale yikes 03:58 kmkale poor chair 03:58 kmkale ;) 03:58 Brooke thankfully I wasn't chair. 03:58 kmkale no I meant the furniture :) 03:59 Brooke went straight to lobbying from there, though 04:00 Brooke you might find this hard to believe, deary, but I was Ash's figure back then :P 04:01 Brooke rachel maddow! 04:01 kmkale Gotta go. BBL. /finds no problems with any figure 04:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #672 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 04:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7310 follow-up DBVersion was wrong <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b86b5a29799493014d475e181802861738df7ec4> 04:12 eythian_ anyone have a guesstimate as to how many people are going to be at kohacon? 04:15 rangi not me 04:15 rangi total guess would be 80-100 04:15 rangi going on previous ones 04:15 eythian_ ok, cool 04:34 gcc hI 04:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #672: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/672/ 04:47 jenkins_koha paul.poulain: bug 7310 follow-up DBVersion was wrong 04:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) 04:50 skk we upgraded our koha installation from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 then to 3.6.4 while running upgrade we had also ran command ./remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl and then we ran rebuild_Zebra command. We are unable to see all bound volumes data after doing the upgrade. Can someone help us to know what has gone wrong. 04:51 skk when we checked in phpMyAdmin all these items are there in koha database. why are they not available in koha then neither from kohaadmin nor from OPAC. pl. help. 05:06 Judit1 you might one to do a full zebra rebuild 05:06 Judit1 i would start with that 05:06 skk yes i did that with ./rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v 05:07 Judit1 try this: 05:07 Judit1 " /etc/init.d/zebra.sh stop" 05:07 Judit1 su koha 05:07 Judit1 export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib 05:07 Judit1 export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 05:07 Judit1 export KOHA_CRON_PATH= /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs 05:07 Judit1 $KOHA_CRON_PATH/../migration_tools/http://rebuild_zebra.pl/ -a -r 05:07 Judit1 $KOHA_CRON_PATH/../migration_tools/http://rebuild_zebra.pl/ -b -x -r -v 05:07 Judit1 /etc/init.d/zebra.sh start 05:07 Judit1 adjust the path! 05:08 skk ok let me try and get back to u i had started running ./batchRepairMissingBiblionumbers.pl this to check if these biblios are missing by chance 05:08 ago43 skk: try running rebuild_zebra first with authorities: -r -w -v -v -a 05:09 ago43 then, separately biblios: -r -w -v -v -b -x 05:22 anitsirk rangi, are you about? 05:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #673 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 05:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7771: "Notices" changed to "Notices & Slips" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd1f39b483ef397bafa05e993a505178c8b53ac1> / Bug 7745: Wrong service name for CAS authentification <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=28bb1a3ed01e89588b8f95d9ad4a53c700df862a> / Bug 7753: serials-home displays library name instead of code <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha 05:52 Oak kia ora #koha 06:02 anitsirk hello Oak and Irma 06:02 Irma hi aitsirk and Oak 06:02 Irma how r u anitsirk? 06:02 anitsirk how's the fall weather in sydney, irma :-) 06:03 Irma sad sad indeed ... we have not really had a good summer :-( 06:03 Irma had to fetch a jumper this afternoon 06:04 Oak :) 06:04 anitsirk :-( it's been on and off drizzly for the last 3 days here. 06:04 anitsirk Irma: do you happen to know if there is a list of sample notices? i am attempting to test a bug but the sandboxes do not have the routling list notice configured. :-( 06:04 Irma where are you located Oak? 06:04 marcelr morning 06:04 Oak Pakistan 06:04 anitsirk i couldn't find a link on the manual 06:04 anitsirk evening marcelr 06:04 marcelr :-) 06:04 anitsirk ;-) 06:05 Irma thanks Oak 06:05 Oak thanks Irma 06:05 Oak :) 06:05 Oak why thanks Irma ? 06:05 Irma anitsirk in the demo sites you will find some notices 06:05 anitsirk ah true. thanks. i'll check there. 06:06 Irma let me check our demo site 06:06 Irma which notice in particular r u looking for or does any do? 06:07 Irma Oak thanks for your reply ... 06:08 Oak got it. 06:08 Oak just messing with you. 06:08 Oak hello cait. 06:08 Oak :) Guten Morgen 06:08 anitsirk Irma: i found the routing list notice. 06:08 anitsirk hello cait. you are up early. :-) 06:09 anitsirk cait: i'm getting started with bug 5841 that you suggested to rangi for me to test 06:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5841 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Routing slip not displaying publication date 06:09 Irma anitsirk Overdue notice https://demo-admin.calyx.net.au/cgi-bin/koha/tools/letter.pl?op=add_form&module=circulation&code=ODUE 06:10 Irma login anne pw koha 06:10 cait anitsirk: thank you :) 06:11 cait and hi Oak, Irma and anitsirk :) 06:12 anitsirk Irma: thank you. i needed the rlist. had a brain freeze for not thinking of a demo site. 06:12 Irma Bonjour cait 06:12 Irma Ca va a Marseilles? 06:12 Irma anitsirk ++ 06:15 Irma Cait isn't it great to be with other Koha hackers and achieving real progress ... 06:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #673: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/673/ 06:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7700: Cart's more details view shows identity numbers 06:17 jenkins_koha * matthias.meusburger: Bug 7300 : Show working branch suggestions by default 06:17 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7753: serials-home displays library name instead of code 06:17 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 7745: Wrong service name for CAS authentification 06:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7700 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Cart's more details view shows identity numbers 06:17 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7771: "Notices" changed to "Notices & Slips" 06:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , display suggestions from librarian library only by default 06:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7753 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , when displaying serials, library name should be showed and not code 06:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7745 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Using OPACBaseURL for CAS Authentication 06:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7771 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Different texts in the Notices & Slips page 06:17 anitsirk cait: are you already up for a question? 06:17 cait hm I think so 06:17 cait I am commenting about gst.... 06:17 cait so it can't be worse :) 06:18 anitsirk hehe. nope i don't think so. ;-) 06:18 cait Irma: it is great :) and going over too fast - only today and tomorrow now :( 06:18 anitsirk on bug 5841 it says that the "publication date" should be printed. is that the date the issue was published or the date that the routing list was published? 06:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5841 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Routing slip not displaying publication date 06:19 Irma cait I know ;-( sorry for you ... 06:20 cait Irma: it's ok :) 06:20 cait anitsirk: I thin it refers to the issue 06:21 cait anitsirk: yep, the publication date of the issue -it was on one slip but not on the other 06:21 cait anitsirk: so i made them the same 06:21 cait anitsirk: did you already add a subscription and a routing list to your test database? 06:21 anitsirk cait: ah ok. then i'll see that i change the date when the issue was received so i don't get confused 06:21 cait :) 06:22 anitsirk cait: yes. i'm on http://pro.test4.biblibre.com 06:22 cait ok 06:22 anitsirk if you want to join me there :-) 06:22 cait there are 2 ways to print the slips 06:22 cait that is basically the problem ,and one was missing a parameter 06:23 cait anitsirk: does my comment on bug 2865 make sense to you? 06:23 * cait is still waking up 06:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2865 major, P3, ---, chrish, Failed QA , Acquisitions: GST not calculating correctly. 06:24 cait huginn too it seems 06:24 huginn cait: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 06:24 cait !huginn botsnack cookie 06:24 cait huginn botsnack cookie 06:24 huginn cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes 06:24 cait hm. 06:25 anitsirk cait: makes sense to me. 06:25 cait ok :) 06:25 anitsirk cait: let me check way number 1 before getting to way number 2. still slow in finding my way around. 06:26 cait I get easily confused by all the calculatoins in acq 06:27 anitsirk every country is different... 06:27 cait yes, makes it even more fun 06:27 anitsirk cait: i see the publication date at http://pro.test4.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/serials/routing-preview.pl?subscriptionid=3&issue=Supplement%20%2821%2F03%2F2012%29 and also in the preview of the routing slip. 06:27 cait and correct calculations are important in acq... so. arg. 06:28 cait what is the login for the sandbox? 06:28 anitsirk test / test 06:29 skk can someone help. I am struggling to see if my bound volumes records are visible in kohaadmin and OPAC. I ran upgrade from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4 and after reindexing zebra the bound volumes data is not visible. When i create a report of barcode and titles all the records are available but they are not available in search 06:29 anitsirk cait: with " Links in the table of issues on the serial collection page" do you mean http://pro.test4.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/serials/subscription-detail.pl?subscriptionid=3 ? 06:29 cait hm 06:29 cait the links don't work too well I think 06:30 cait on the left sidebar 06:30 cait the link serial collection 06:30 anitsirk :-( 06:30 anitsirk cait: i always seem to see the arrival date 06:31 cait we will figure it out 06:31 cait click on the name of your subscription 06:31 cait the tabbed view 06:31 cait of all subscription information 06:31 cait are you there? 06:31 cait I think that is right then 06:31 cait I took the same infomration 06:31 cait from the slip where it showed 06:31 cait I used the same field - so it should be right 06:31 cait the complaint was it showed only on one 06:32 cait http://pro.test4.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/serials/serials-collection.pl?subscriptionid=3 06:32 cait if you are there 06:32 cait you can preview the slip following the steps from Edit routing list 06:32 anitsirk cait: https://skitch.com/anitsirk/8c8f1/serial 06:32 cait or you can click print list 06:32 cait and both should show the same date in () 06:34 anitsirk yes. both have the same date, cait. does it matter that it is the arrival date of the issue and not the publication date of the issue? 06:34 cait I am not sure really 06:34 cait you could note it 06:34 cait and sign off saying it makes them the same but you are not sure if it should show another date? 06:34 cait and leave that for qa 06:34 cait i did this when I was searching for bugs I could solve 06:35 cait hm 06:35 cait from the code 06:35 cait it's the serialplanneddate 06:36 cait weird. 06:36 anitsirk yep sounds like it because that's the date you put into it. i'll add the note you suggested. 06:36 cait ok 06:36 anitsirk vielen dank, cait. 06:36 cait sorry, I think this is confusing 06:36 anitsirk yep, will say so. 06:36 cait no thanks to you :) 06:37 cait and perhaps we need to hange it - but at least both slips will behave the same way now 06:37 cait I think there is a small typo on your testing report for 5354 06:37 cait For aqbooksellerid and aqbooksellerid, ... :) 06:39 cait only saying because perhaps they will ask about the second field 06:41 anitsirk ah thanks. will add a note once i'm done with this report. 06:44 anitsirk thanks for checking, cait. the second vendor id should have been the biblionumber 06:44 cait I have subscribed to the bugs list 06:44 cait which is going crazy these days :) 06:45 anitsirk oh i bet. 06:46 Irma **back in a while** 06:48 anitsirk have a great day / afternoon / evening. 07:08 skk 'can someone help. I am struggling to see if my bound volumes records are visible in kohaadmin and OPAC. I ran upgrade from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4 and after reindexing zebra some records are missing in kohaadmin and opac but when a report with barcode and title is printed those records are added in the report. why these records are not available in search 07:10 cait skk: did you run the script to remove the itmes from the records after updating from 3.2 to 3.4? 07:10 cait it's probably that or an indexing problem I think 07:10 skk yes i had done running script to remove items 07:10 cait sorry, I have to run, more people will be here later 07:11 skk ok tx 07:39 mtj hmm, i seem to be hitting a stupid install/upgrade bug, of late.... 07:41 mtj the problem seems to be, any minor db error in the upgrade causes the upgrade to loop, forever 07:43 mtj previously, these 'warning' type errors, would just print a warning in red, but the upgrade would succeed 07:44 mtj now, the upgrade seems to keep looping back to the previous 'you use must upgrade from 3.6.x to 3.6.y' step 07:48 alex_a hello #koha 07:48 Oak hi to hide subfields, i need to put -1 in hidden field? 07:52 mtj Oak: i cant remember, its in the manual 07:52 mtj manual? 07:52 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 07:53 Oak yes yes found it :) 07:53 Oak cool 07:55 Oak and if I hide all the subfields of a tag, then during cataloging i am left with just the Tag of the field. 07:55 Oak Can I hide the Tag or do I have to delete it? 07:55 oleonard Hi #koha 07:55 Oak hi oleonard 07:55 paul_p hi oleonard ;-) & all ! 07:56 rangi morning marseille 07:56 Oak :) 07:56 paul_p new motto : "a good day is a day where the RM pushes at least 10 patches" 07:56 paul_p 3 already pushed today ;-) 07:57 mtj Oak: hide it, dont delete it 07:58 mtj (is the rule for frameworks) 07:59 Oak how can I hide the main Tag? I see no option to do that. Let me see again... 08:00 rangi it owont show if you hide all the subfields 08:01 Oak hm, cait said the same thing. i hid all the subfields, but i still see the main tag (246), and is clickable, and when clicked shows the hidden field. 08:01 reiveune hello 08:01 wahanui hello, reiveune 08:01 Oak or is it because i am logged as admin? 08:02 rangi that shouldn't matter 08:02 Oak hmm 08:03 rangi i use the dropdown to hide it 08:03 rangi not the values (usually) 08:03 asaurat hi! 08:03 Oak here: /cgi-bin/koha/admin/marc_subfields_structure.pl?tagfield=246&frameworkcode=MIN i see "hidden" for all fields in "constraints" column 08:05 rangi hmm 08:05 Oak rangi, the dropdown? 08:08 rangi yeah you can choose which tab it shows on 08:08 Oak i put ah 08:09 Oak you choose "ignore"? 08:09 rangi yeah 08:09 rangi try that 08:09 Oak okay 08:10 Oak coool 08:10 Oak worked 08:10 Oak thank you rangi! 08:11 rangi 1no worries 08:11 rangi hmm bad typing tonight 08:12 Oak no worries :) 08:23 oleonard Is there still a problem with translating <optgroup> ? 08:23 Joubu hello 08:23 wahanui hola, Joubu 08:24 oleonard Oh, I guess not (Bug 3672) 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3672 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, labels of <optgroups> not translatable 08:29 marcelr hi oleonard! up for a small question on lists? 08:29 oleonard Yes 08:30 marcelr what about this: Permissions on lists: Do not allow anyone to remove his own contributed entries. Is that line understandable? 08:30 marcelr (working on showing the permissions for a list_ 08:31 marcelr ) 08:31 skk help pl. i am not getting bound volumes of few serials after upgrade from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4. these records are there in the database but they are not retrieved in search and when i run rebuildzebra it gives an error asMARC: Bad offsets in data. Skipping rest 13:56:37-22/03 zebraidx(29706) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number 08:32 rangi did you run it -b -x -r -v ? 08:32 skk yes did it several times 08:33 rangi definitely with the -x tho eh? 08:33 rangi that is the important bit 08:36 marcelr oleonard: added a screenshot on 7310 to show what I meant 08:38 marcelr hi magnuse 08:39 magnuse hiya marcelr and #koha 08:41 oleonard Sorry marcelr, got pulled away 08:41 marcelr added a screenshot 08:42 marcelr at bug 7310 to illustratie 08:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) 08:42 skk no luck yet even after doing rebuild_zebra -b -x -r -v 08:43 rangi you might like to do a select marcxml from biblioitems where biblionumber=a number that you having problems with 08:43 rangi and check if it looks ok 08:43 oleonard marcelr, I'm confused about the first one actually. "[ Do not allow ] adding entries to this list" means do not allow /others/ to add entries? 08:44 marcelr no it includes owner too 08:44 skk how to do that i have no clue 08:44 rangi you did the upgrade on your test db eh? 08:44 skk no live 08:44 marcelr oleonard: include: anyone including yourself? 08:44 skk but i have backup of old one which i can restore 08:45 oleonard marcelr, so the owner can create the list, add items to it, and then prevent himself from adding new entries? 08:45 marcelr if he wants so, yes 08:45 marcelr kind of closed list in the past 08:46 rangi skk: i suspect that at least one of yuour records has invalid xml in the marcxml column you need to find that one 08:46 skk can u tell me hw to check that 08:46 rangi you need to run that sql 08:47 skk if i am guided with command wil try that 08:47 rangi but if you don't know how to do that, you probably want to get someone who does to do it for you 08:47 rangi because you dont want to make it worse 08:47 cait slef: around? 08:47 skk i knw linux and have knowledge of executing commands only thing is which command to try 08:48 oleonard marcelr, I think it might be more clear to say "[ Do not allow ] anyone, including the owner, to add entries to this list" 08:48 oleonard ...but I'm concerned about the flexibility of these constructions with regard to translation. 08:49 marcelr it is just like the prefs 08:49 oleonard True 08:50 marcelr contributed entries sounds good to you? 08:51 oleonard It sounds a little bit awkward to me, but I don't have a better suggestion 08:51 oleonard Easy to change if someone thinks of a better way to say it 08:52 marcelr ok, thanks 08:53 francharb 0/ all 08:53 oleonard Bonjour francharb 08:55 francharb 0/ oleonard ;) 08:56 francharb the funny thing is that we are 3 m away from each other... ;) 08:57 oleonard I'm hardly ever 3m away from ANY Koha developer! It's a nice change 08:59 skk can u tell me the query i can even run it from phpmyadmin 08:59 skk by copy pasting 09:07 Oak in setting subfield constraints, in "hidden", what does -4 means? manual says: OPAC !Intranet !Editor !Collapsed whereas "! means 'not visible' or in the case of Collapsed 'not Collapsed'" 09:11 Oak should not ! mean not hidden? and -4 should mean hidden in OPAC, not hidden in Intranet, not hidden in Editor, and Not collapsed? 09:11 Oak http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/catadmin.html 09:12 Judit yes 09:12 Oak why does it say "! means 'not visible' or in the case of Collapsed 'not Collapsed'" 09:12 Judit what do you see 09:13 Oak when I set -4, i see "hidden" in "Constraints" column, but the field is visible in admin area. 09:13 Judit yes 09:13 Judit not hidden in Intranet, 09:13 Judit not hidden ergo visible in admin 09:14 Oak cool, then the wording in manual that says: "! means 'not visible' or in the case of Collapsed 'not Collapsed'" should be changed to ""! means 'not hidden' or in the case of Collapsed 'not Collapsed'" 09:14 Judit ehm 09:14 Judit hang on 09:15 Judit no 09:15 Judit ! means not 09:15 Judit not in opac n 09:15 Judit not visible 09:15 Oak but the setting name is "hidden" 09:16 Judit well 09:16 Judit yes! 09:16 Oak so if we put ! it read ! hidden in whatever we put it after. 09:16 Judit i know what you mean 09:16 Judit it the the state of hidden 09:17 Judit hidden has these states: like the numbers : −9 to 9 09:17 Oak yes 09:17 Judit the word 'hidden' is confusing 09:17 Judit yes 09:17 Oak and if we put ! in front it mean "not" hidden 09:17 Oak not "not visible" 09:18 Judit no, that means it is not visible which is a state of "hidden" 09:18 Oak wait. listen. 09:18 Oak the field name is "hidden" right. 09:18 Judit yes 09:19 Oak the value "0 " says the manual: 0 => OPAC Intranet Editor !Collapsed 09:19 Oak it reads to me as: 09:20 Oak hidden: yes hidden in OPAC, yes hidden in Intranet, yes hidden in Editor, but NOT collapsed. 09:20 Judit i know what you mean, it is very confusing 09:20 Oak hmm 09:20 Judit but i would change the hidden word 09:21 Judit the problem is caused by the word not by the ! 09:21 Oak hmm 09:21 Oak what should be the word? 09:21 Oak in place of hidden? 09:21 Judit i have no idea 09:21 Oak hm 09:21 Judit status? visibility? 09:21 Oak visibility sounds right. 09:21 Judit yeah 09:21 Oak let me read the rules with that in mind 09:22 Judit visibility: 0 09:22 Judit OPAC Intranet Editor !Collapsed 09:22 Judit visible in opac, visible in intranet visible in editor not colapsed 09:22 Oak that would read as: visible in OPAC, visible in Intranet, visible in Editr, and... 09:23 Oak oh yes you wrote same 09:23 Oak let me see how it works then 09:23 skk can some one help! one of my bound volumes all records are not visible in OPAC/kohaadmin. I have opened the database in phpmyAdmin and have browsed items where i could locate that record. Now i need a small help what change i have to do here so ththat this record is visible in OPAC/kohaadmin with all its bound volume detatails. 09:24 Judit in the sql: you have a zebraqueue table 09:24 skk yes 09:24 Judit do you have 0 or 1 next to the biblio 09:25 Judit or is it the biblio you cannot see, or theitem? 09:25 skk both biblio and items attached to a biblio 09:25 Judit ok 09:25 Judit chechk the zebraqueue 09:25 skk i am there 09:26 Judit did you find the biblionumber you are missing from opac? 09:26 skk yes 09:27 skk i see in zebraque at few times there 09:27 Judit i dont remember the column name, maybe it is called done 09:27 Judit do yousee 0 or 1 09:27 Judit ? 09:28 skk yes i can see a column as done where it is 1 09:28 Judit and you have already rebuilt zebra, right 09:28 Judit i remmeber you from this mornig 09:29 skk yes i am sitting since morning but no answer yet 09:29 skk zebra is rebuilt thousand times 09:29 Judit do you see some of your records 09:29 Judit or non at all 09:29 Judit in opac 09:30 skk only for that biblio and items related to that biblio are not visible in either opac or in kohaadmin but if i take a report with barcode and title all those barcodes and titles are listed 09:30 Judit yeah, still zebra 09:31 Judit reports are just sql queries, but in search that is zebra 09:31 Judit so you are missing only one biblio? 09:31 Judit or several 09:31 Oak Judit, I want 021 c to be not visible in OPAC, visible in intranet, visible in editor, and not collapsed, I choose 4. but the c field disappears from admin area cataloging page. but if i put -4, it appears. 09:32 skk at the moment looks to be only one where it has around 700 items attached to a biblio. its a bould volumes record 09:32 Oak sorry, typo. 020 c 09:32 Oak first deal with skk 's issue 09:32 Judit gee, Oak you dont know how much i hate marc:D let me have a look 09:33 oleonard cait: Bug 7789 09:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7789 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Add translations of item type and authorized value descriptions 09:34 cait :) 09:35 mveron Hi #koha 09:35 mveron Adrien submitted resolving patch to already signed-off Bug 7737 09:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7737 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Signed Off , Use of date filters on bookseller pages 09:36 mveron Should this bug be signed off again? 09:36 oleonard Usually no, if the resubmission is to resolved conflicts only it does not require another signoff 09:37 Judit skk you have 1 biblio with 700 items attached to it? 09:37 skk yes 09:37 * oleonard is happy to submit a patch for Bug 6209 09:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Standardize on one javascript library for client-side form validation 09:37 * oleonard hopes it is the first of many 09:38 cait :) 09:40 Judit oak, you re right 09:40 Oak so what's going on then? 09:41 Judit i choose 4, but then it is not viisble in the edit 09:41 Judit well, time to ask someone who is good in it 09:41 Oak then try -4 and it will appear 09:41 Judit yeah 09:41 Judit i did 09:41 Oak but in "Constraints" column it says "hidden" right? 09:41 Judit it does 09:42 Oak weird is it not? 09:42 Judit it says hidden in both cases: 4 and -4 09:42 Oak yes yes 09:43 mbalmer good morning. 09:43 Oak right 09:43 Judit well i guess this is one of the resons why i dont like marc 09:43 Oak but it should not 09:43 Judit id ont know, what hidden in Constraints refers to 09:44 cait it's in the help file 09:44 cait click on the ? on the page 09:44 skk when i had ran rebuild_zebra here is the error it gave "Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)" 09:45 Judit skk, i am sorry but my knowledge ends here 09:45 Oak cait, when editing subfields, there is no ? in there 09:45 cait no, but there is one on the top left of each page 09:45 cait offering context help :) 09:46 Oak top-right... yes 09:46 Oak looking at it now 09:46 Judit the same as themanual 09:46 Oak yup. same as manual. 09:47 mbalmer SIP is so much easier to handle on the client side when the server does not close the connecton unexpectedly... 09:50 alex_a1 skk: your record has lot of items ? 09:50 Judit 700 items 09:50 Judit he has 09:50 Judit for one bibli 09:50 alex_a ouch 09:50 Judit o 09:50 Judit yeah 09:50 skk is that the issue then 09:51 alex_a skk: this could happen when the biblionumber (field 001) has been saved at the end of marcxml iirc 09:51 alex_a can you check that ? 09:52 Judit i need to go 09:53 skk i am in biblioitem and i am in marcxml in phpmyadmin <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <record xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/schema/MARC21slim.xsd" xmlns="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim"> <leader>109323casa22087971 45000</leader 09:53 Judit if you figured out something oak, let me know 09:53 Oak okay Judit 09:53 Judit good night 09:53 Oak good night :) 09:53 skk <controlfield tag="001">11137031</controlfield> this field u mean is it 09:53 alex_a skk: can you pastbin the marcxml ? 09:53 skk it is with start in marcxml 09:53 Oak so cait, let me know when you are free to be annoyed. 09:56 alex_a skk: do you get errors with others record (all?) or only this one ? 09:56 skk only this record 09:57 skk i have pasted in pastebin 09:57 skk can u check 09:58 alex_a ? 09:58 alex_a where ? 09:58 skk here there is a PasteBin option when i click that i pasted my marcxml there what else i need to do for u to see it 10:06 skk alex_a are u there 11:05 paul_p who can rewind the clock, so it shows "9AM" instead of "12AM" ? 11:06 Oak is it a wall clock? 11:06 Oak you won't even need a chair i think :) 11:07 Amit_Gupta heya paul_p 11:07 Amit_Gupta paul_p: C4::Search::SimpleSearch 11:07 Amit_Gupta can you please explain me what this subroutine do? 11:09 jcamins_away Amit_Gupta: it searches Zebra. 11:13 jcamins paul_p: I changed that line on bug 7444 because sekjal's original patch just did what you requested, and it had side effects. 11:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7444 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Use T::T date plugin to display dates omnibus 11:13 jcamins It broke the display in a bunch of places. 11:13 jcamins I think it's better to not cause regressions. 11:14 oleonard Hi jcamins 11:14 jcamins Good morning. 11:27 cait lunch break at the hackfest - today we have pizza :) 11:28 Oak and ketchup 11:32 slef I'm perplexed by bug 7365 and mbalmer signing off his own work 11:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, marc, Signed Off , Koha uses MySQL 11:32 slef has that approach been discussed on koha-devel? Maybe I missed it. 11:33 jcamins slef: no. 11:37 jcamins mbalmer and Stephen Delauney decided that this was a better method than actually fixing the problems in the Koha codebase. 11:37 mbalmer slef, we are a team of three folks working on that 11:37 jcamins And someone else. 11:37 wahanui someone else is going to have to look at acquisitions 11:37 mbalmer so technically, I did not signoff my own work. 11:37 jcamins Sorry, I didn't realize that there was a third person. 11:40 mbalmer actually the design was discussed in a group of six people. 11:45 slef mbalmer: that's nice. What about giving the other 173 developers a chance? 11:46 mbalmer sure, we discuss the issue to death or accept that there is now a path to move forward with PostgreSQL support. 11:46 mbalmer we can, even... 11:50 jcamins Well, you know my feeling on the matter. I think it's a bad idea, but as long as the code is written in such a way as to be easily removable when it becomes unmaintainable, I don't much care. 11:52 jcamins Though I think a sign-off from someone else would be a good idea. 11:52 * jcamins leaves for the new apartment. 12:18 slef mbalmer: I'm not asking you to "discuss the issue to death". I'm asking for it to be discussed AT ALL and not just have 6 devs unilaterally overturn what I thought was previously agreed. 12:39 sekjal morning, #koha 12:53 marcelr hi sekjal 12:53 sekjal hi, marcelr! 12:53 oleonard I agree, re: another signoff for the new DB stuff 12:53 mbalmer slef, it was agreed to add PostgreSQL support. 12:54 marcelr slef: i think you are still right; my only exception still would be a trivial very trivail self-signed patch for something very very tiny 12:54 mbalmer it is _not_ self signed-off. stephane did the diff, and tested it. I tested on a separate machine and signed it off. 12:55 marcelr mbalmer: if it is not trivial, someone else must sign 12:55 mbalmer I _am_ someone else than stephan. 12:55 marcelr if someone tested, let him sign off 12:55 marcelr in qa you would hear that too 12:55 mbalmer that is what we did. 12:56 marcelr but this discussion seems to show otherwise? 12:56 mbalmer stephan did prepare the diff, I signed off. Is it hard to see that stephane and I are not the same person. 12:57 reiveune I am stephane 12:57 marcelr well it may be just bureaucratic but the patch must show that 12:57 marcelr hi reiveune 12:57 reiveune hi 12:57 reiveune ... the patch show uit 12:58 reiveune line 7 : Signed-off-by: Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch> 12:58 marcelr and who is the author? 12:58 wahanui i guess the author is linked to authorities by default 12:58 oleonard wahanui, forget the author 12:58 wahanui oleonard: I forgot author 12:58 reiveune marcelr: it's me 12:58 marcelr what does the patch say? 12:59 reiveune read the diff 12:59 reiveune and you'll see 12:59 reiveune :) 12:59 marcelr :-) 12:59 reiveune (my english is too bad to explain it easyly) 13:00 mbalmer btw, is code written in other languages than Perl accepted? 13:01 sekjal mbalmer: if you count Javascript or XSLT as a language, then yes 13:01 mbalmer and other than that? 13:01 sekjal but I'm pretty sure we're not going to add other scripting languages like PHP or Python 13:01 slef stephane's patch looked similar to mbalmer's earlier patch 13:02 sekjal mbalmer: do you have one in mind? 13:02 mbalmer yes, I was wonderling about libraries is C that come with Lua bindings. 13:02 slef mbalmer: I agree with adding postgresql support, but I am not sure a bespoke code-generator is sustainable. 13:03 mbalmer but I am just asking. 13:04 mbalmer slef, it is the very minimum that needs be done. 13:04 slef mbalmer: might be minimum today, but almost definitely not the minimum in the long-term. 13:06 mbalmer yes, but running on PostgreSQL is not a long-term goal either. So we need a solution that works without changing to much stuff. That does not mean that it will stay that way forever. Maybe one day we get a better database layer that obsoletes all this. 13:15 paul_p slef & mbalmer : I jump in the discussion... 13:52 sekjal paul_p: confirmation on the string freeze procedures. After this week, no new feature of any size is going to be accepted for 3.8 13:52 sekjal are features awaiting QA still game? how about waiting Signoff? 13:59 marcelr sekjal: i asked the same on the list some time ago 14:00 libsysguy sekjal did you see the new notes on 5549 14:01 libsysguy is that something that we need to look into or something that we should just consider in follow up 14:02 sekjal libsysguy: I'd like to know why their renewals fail and everyone else's work 14:02 sekjal is it a setting or a setup thing? 14:02 libsysguy I don't suppose we could have access to that sand box 14:02 sekjal as for hardduedate-time and suspension in days, those can be followups 14:03 sekjal suspension in days works 14:03 libsysguy thats the only way I can really thing of to see the error 14:03 sekjal but only for hourly loans that are days late 14:03 wizzyrea libsysguy: I bet it's one of the biblibre one 14:03 wizzyrea public ones 14:03 sekjal I should probably fix that 14:03 wizzyrea sandboxes? 14:03 wahanui sandboxes are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes 14:04 libsysguy hmm interesting concept 14:10 sekjal libsysguy: commented on 5549 14:11 libsysguy i just read that 14:11 libsysguy well said imo :) 14:11 sekjal I like the new code 14:11 sekjal using DateTime and DateTime::Duration makes sense to me 14:11 libsysguy me too 14:12 sekjal once I learned some of the basics, I was able to do the suspension in days reimplementation, and it was pretty straight forward 14:12 libsysguy so does this mean that all C4::Dates will need to be changed over eventually 14:12 sekjal I believe so, yes 14:12 libsysguy sweet 14:12 libsysguy which will also allow more of a conversion to the Koha namespace 14:13 sekjal I'd also like to increase support for this, once we've beaten down the trail a bit more, for loans in minutes 14:13 sekjal in case someone wants to do an hour and a half loan 14:13 libsysguy I agree, i plan to do quite a few follow up patches/enhancements with this 14:14 sekjal getting the library calendars to contain opening/closing hours is a biggie 14:14 sekjal as laid out in the original spec 14:15 libsysguy yeah there is a lot that got left out of that original spec 14:15 libsysguy which is dissappointing 14:19 sekjal very 14:20 sekjal but, it's not like we're done here... all these things can be implemented 14:20 sekjal Holds Rewrite, too 14:20 libsysguy notifications rewrite.... 14:20 libsysguy im still gunning for that one 14:20 wizzyrea libsysguy: did you see bug 7001 14:20 libsysguy my script can't hold out forever 14:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips 14:20 sekjal it's a lot better after 7001 14:21 wizzyrea you'll want to build on top of that instead of what's already there 14:21 sekjal ... how bad would it be to just use Template Toolkit for templating the notices? 14:21 sekjal I mean, sure there is plenty to learn 14:21 sekjal and we'd need to filter it for security 14:21 sekjal but, really, is it any harder to learn than anything else? 14:21 libsysguy wizzyrea I hadn't seen that 14:22 libsysguy sekjal drag and drop fields :) 14:22 wizzyrea if you could do it similarly to what it does now - click the thing, click >> 14:22 wizzyrea to add it 14:22 wizzyrea it would be simple 14:22 wizzyrea for people 14:22 wizzyrea sekjal: also, that sounds kind of like a appinventor or scratch-type notice generation engine thinger 14:22 wizzyrea well in my mind anyway 14:22 wizzyrea where you drag and drop chunks of stuff 14:23 libsysguy ^^ 14:23 sekjal at the very least, we need loops 14:23 sekjal would be nice to have if/then, but I haven't seem a demand for it yet 14:25 wizzyrea I don't think the way it works now is so limiting. 14:25 wizzyrea I mean, it's a little limiting. 14:25 sekjal a solid T:T editor, though, would allow us to actually edit the Koha templates themselves... 14:25 jcamins_away Four of seven faceplates installed. 14:26 sekjal though the first blocker to that is getting a standardized set of params for each page 14:26 jcamins_away The other three are rather problematic. 14:26 sekjal and not changing that between major versions 14:26 wizzyrea uh oh 14:26 jcamins_away But this is a start. 14:27 jcamins_away I may end up needing to reterminate for two, alas. Stupid studs. 14:28 sekjal okay, all, I've got to check out of my hotel, then cruise the exhibit hall 14:28 sekjal [off] anyone have anything they want me to say to LibLime for them? 14:30 libsysguy [off] *silence from all* 14:30 jcamins_away [off] it gets very... bah, libsysguy beat me to it. 14:31 wizzyrea you might remind them of this problem: http://valparaiso.pioneer.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-shelves.pl?viewshelf=2410&sortfield=author 14:31 wizzyrea at least it doesn't show the server internals anymore. 14:31 wizzyrea that's a step up. 14:31 sekjal indeed 14:31 sekjal only took what, 6 months? 14:32 wizzyrea something like that, it's been that way since go-live 14:32 sekjal [off] perhaps I could get a comment on the NZ trademark status... 14:33 wizzyrea [off] ooh yes, you should ask about that 14:33 sekjal k, gtg 14:33 wizzyrea gl, have fun 14:33 jcamins_away I don't want to reterminate. :( 14:33 sekjal hopefully my train home tonight will have WiFi 14:33 sekjal cheers, #koha 14:34 libsysguy I don't always reterminate....but when I do the terminator is near a stud 14:39 * wizzyrea considers if this is a real statement or something to do with the movie. 14:44 cait libsysguy: i think you could get access to that sandbox - at least to the interface 14:44 wizzyrea cait - do you know which one they are using? 14:45 wizzyrea (could you ask) :) <3 pretty please 14:47 cait oh yes 14:47 cait sorry 14:47 cait was just reading back; I will ask paul 14:47 cait sec 14:47 wizzyrea no worries :) 14:49 libsysguy cait was was actually thinking more along the lines of the log output 14:54 cait not sure you need tht 14:54 cait and wizzyrea will help you ;) 14:54 cait wizzyrea: it's textbox 6 14:55 cait wizzyrea: from looking at the screens I suspect it could be using record level itypes - could you check? 14:55 cait perhaps if that makes a difference? 14:55 cait she is going to show me an example now; I am going to write it down 14:56 slef @quote add <libsysguy> I don't always reterminate....but when I do the terminator is near a stud // * wizzyrea considers if this is a real statement or something to do with the movie. 14:56 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. Quote #193 added. 14:57 slef @quote random 14:57 huginn slef: Quote #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are librarians involved :P" (added by wizzyrea at 03:30 PM, February 28, 2012) 14:57 slef wow, love that coincidence 14:59 mtj is it just me, or are Paul's 'coding guidlines' examples identical, here... 14:59 mtj http://koha-community.org/koha-release-manager-newsletter-4-2012-02/ 15:00 mtj aah, whitespace :p 15:05 libsysguy back -- in regards to that quote I was actaully poking fun at jcamins 15:08 wizzyrea hm says 6 is bug 7291? 15:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7291 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , claims management improvement 15:09 wizzyrea but, that one *is* unimarc 15:09 cait yeah 15:09 cait they are testing on unimarc :) 15:09 cait are you scared now? 15:09 cait :) 15:09 cait so 15:09 wizzyrea well no. 15:09 cait ok 15:09 cait it seems 15:09 cait renewalperiodbase is broken generally 15:09 cait what we did was 15:09 wizzyrea libsysguy 15:09 wahanui i think libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck 15:09 cait set renewalperiodbase to renew from the old due date 15:10 * wizzyrea giggles 15:10 cait so on renewal it should do old due date + loan period 15:10 cait and it doesn't work 15:10 wizzyrea OH 15:10 cait neither on nr 6 15:10 wizzyrea it's a syspref! 15:10 cait nor on one wihtout hourly loans 15:10 cait but it's abad 15:10 cait it's bad 15:10 cait and we need to fix it 15:10 wizzyrea yes 15:10 wizzyrea yes it is 15:10 cait they are opening a bug 15:10 wizzyrea so renewals are broken 15:10 wizzyrea that's not-good 15:10 cait wizzyrea: do you have a sec to check in marc21? 15:10 wizzyrea sure 15:10 cait that would be great 15:10 wizzyrea i'm checking renewal? 15:11 cait yes 15:11 wizzyrea on master? 15:11 wizzyrea check. on it. 15:11 cait with different settings for renewalperiodbase 15:11 wizzyrea *nod* 15:11 cait great :) 15:11 cait it might be related to item-level itypes... or even unimarc... but we should get that fixed 15:12 cait textbox 3 I think is without hourly loans 15:13 cait sandbox... 15:15 wizzyrea so what is the bug? 15:16 cait 7803 15:16 cait or do you mean what is not working about it? 15:17 wizzyrea right - how exactly is it broken 15:17 wizzyrea or I could just read the bug 15:17 wizzyrea bug 7802 15:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7802 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , A MySQLism is used to get the current date. 15:17 wizzyrea bug 7803 15:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7803 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Renewal : syspref RenewalPeriodBase "old due date of the checkout" doesn't work 15:21 cait if you set it to renew from the old due date 15:21 cait it should do : due date + loan period 15:21 cait so even if you checked out something today 15:21 cait it will push the date back another loan period 15:21 cait but this seems not to be working any longer 15:21 cait it stays on the same date 15:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7154 follow-up DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8705e18aa5d9fe3f59625d84ee6360645c28c1c4> / Bug 7154: Modification in borrower attributes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb35b608282e670e1bb07bf4cea324fc16b6ec90> / bug 7264: follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=13f553020ca8f032ee83d87d8cb780f13febadb9 15:24 * wizzyrea tests again 15:26 wizzyrea ok, mine updated 15:26 wizzyrea was originally due 15:27 wizzyrea 3/23/2012 15:27 wahanui 6.48284207796698e-05 15:27 mbalmer who knows tha C4:Aquisition.pm module and could test a patch? 15:27 wizzyrea loan period is one day 15:27 wizzyrea renewed with renewalbase set to old due date 15:27 wizzyrea new due date is 3/24/2012 15:28 cait yeah 15:28 cait she showed me 15:28 cait it IS broken on that database 15:28 cait but where is the difference? 15:28 cait :( 15:28 cait it works for me too 15:28 cait I just testd with biblio level itypes too 15:28 wizzyrea no different? 15:29 wizzyrea usedaysmode? 15:29 wizzyrea maybe it has to do with holidays 15:29 wizzyrea or weekends 15:29 wahanui weekends are very silent 15:30 wizzyrea let me make sure i'm using the very latest master 15:30 * wizzyrea was not 15:31 wizzyrea i mean, only 10 hours out of date or so 15:31 wizzyrea but stille 15:31 wizzyrea oh bless writeoffall 15:32 wizzyrea OH! 15:32 wizzyrea I did have it not work 15:32 wizzyrea only on the very latest master 15:32 wizzyrea something in the last day broke it 15:33 wizzyrea cait 15:33 cait here 15:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #674 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:33 wizzyrea I just replicated the problem 15:33 cait !!! 15:33 cait really? 15:33 wizzyrea yes 15:33 cait I can't :( 15:33 wizzyrea I last pulled sometime yesterday afternoon 15:33 cait so it must be very very recent? 15:33 wizzyrea and just did a checkout, yea 15:34 wizzyrea 1s, I can show what was pulled 15:34 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "Already on 'master' remote: Co" (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/316 15:36 cait that update was weird 15:37 cait ok 15:37 cait I am latest latest master now 15:37 cait which settings were broken for you? 15:38 wizzyrea try them both 15:38 wizzyrea wait. 15:38 wizzyrea I wonder if this is a misunderstanding 15:38 wizzyrea if you renew an item 15:38 wizzyrea on the same day 15:39 wizzyrea with it set to "the current date" 15:39 cait nothing happens 15:39 wizzyrea and if you renew an item 15:39 wizzyrea on the same day 15:39 cait because today + loan period is still the same loan period it was checked out with 15:39 wizzyrea with it set to the old due date, it should hop forward 15:39 wizzyrea no. 15:39 cait that was what I thought 15:40 wizzyrea old due date is *still the same day* 15:40 * wizzyrea has to ponder 15:40 cait draw it 15:40 cait helped me :P 15:40 wizzyrea brain's in knots 15:41 cait I think: old due date - so tomorrow + 1 is ... day after tomorrow 15:41 cait current date today... +1 is still tomorrow 15:41 cait make sense? 15:41 cait but I can't break it 15:41 wizzyrea right, ok 15:42 wizzyrea I can't break it either - because you're right 15:42 cait :( 15:42 wizzyrea checked out today + 1 day = 3/24 15:42 cait that's bad 15:42 cait I will ask paul 15:42 cait perhaps there is something in the logs 15:42 oleonard Okay... we broke display of holdings in the OPAC :( 15:42 cait because I see it's wrong for her 15:42 wizzyrea oh no! 15:42 cait a day full of good news! ;) 15:44 wizzyrea something in her rules? 15:44 wizzyrea fine in days? 15:44 wizzyrea no, that wouldn't have anything to do with it. 15:44 wizzyrea what do her rules look like? 15:45 slef @query svc 15:45 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , svc API should allow creation and deletion of items 15:45 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client 15:52 oleonard Attention everyone, there was an error in something recently pushed 15:52 wizzyrea yea? 15:52 wahanui yea is probably better to not get attached to a specific koha version >.> 15:52 oleonard paul_p will push a follow-up which will correct updatedatabase.pl 15:53 jcamins_away libsysguy: they put the box directly over a stud so a coupler doesn't fit. 15:53 oleonard We'll have to manually set back our KohaVersion preference after it is pushed so the database can catch up 15:53 wizzyrea oki 15:53 wizzyrea just say when the fix is pushed 15:55 wizzyrea brr. I'm cold. 15:55 wizzyrea @wunder 66049 15:55 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Near Free State High, Lawrence, Kansas is 13.7°C (10:54 AM CDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 15:55 wizzyrea bit chilly. 15:56 wizzyrea omg, love bug 7804 15:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add Koha Plugin System 15:56 wizzyrea love love love 15:56 paul_p follow-up for bug 7310 pushed 15:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) 15:56 wizzyrea ty paul 16:00 oleonard And database fix pushed too 16:00 wizzyrea so all we do 16:00 wizzyrea is set it back to... 33? 16:00 wizzyrea or 32? 16:01 oleonard 31 at least I think 16:01 slef "Consequently, ModBiblio() is not to be used to try to modify item records." That's nice, perldoc. Please can someone remind me what is? 16:01 wizzyrea moditem? 16:02 slef looks like ModItemFromMarc 16:02 slef so partial credit, wizzyrea ;) 16:02 wizzyrea :) 16:03 wizzyrea oleonard what's the symptom of the problem? 16:03 oleonard The symptom I noticed: display of holdings disappeared from opac-detail.pl 16:04 oleonard wizzyrea, did you notice your KohaVersion pref had a strange number? 16:04 slef hrmph, ModItemFromMarc wants itemnumber. So where do I get that from? 16:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7310 follow-up : typo fix lt instead of < in DB version comparison <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6751749a68c3d7dfc31259ea4fe2e0b7a13df2a> / Bug 7769 - members/pay.pl: $template scoping for plack <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4eeb14c52b44ea431aa23c736d8450a023b78faf> / Bug 5841: Routing slip not displaying publication date <http://git.koha-community.o 16:05 slef @marc 952 16:05 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 16:05 huginn slef: unknown tag 952 16:05 slef yay, 952$9 16:09 mbalmer bug 7806 16:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7806 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Illegal dates are used to signal non existing dates. 16:10 * slef sighs as svc/bib doesn't send 952 tags 16:10 * slef kicks it about a bit 16:11 mbalmer DBQ changed to use a more obvious example, while there we changed SHOW COLUMNS FROM to use $dbh->column_info. 16:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #674: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/674/ 16:17 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7778: fixes creation of a new server 16:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7746: "No Public Lists." not translatable. 16:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7738: "Display more constraints' in subfield configuraiton is not properly translatable 16:17 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7732: Restoring "More lists" in the Add-to combo of OPAC Search Results 16:17 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5180: FIX autocomplete on overdues report 16:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 5482 - Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names 16:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7778 blocker, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Not possible to add new z39.50 servers 16:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5482: Update colums.def file 16:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 5482 [Follow up] Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names 16:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7746 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , In staff 'No public lists.' is not translatable 16:17 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7714 translating letters in fr-FR to french 16:17 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_7264: [SIGNED-OFF] Branch popup on OPAC detail.Added opac_info field to branches table. 16:17 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 7264: follow-up DBRev number 16:17 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7154: Modification in borrower attributes 16:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7738 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, "Display more constraints" in subfield configuraton is not properly translatable 16:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7732 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Restoring "More lists" in the Add-to combo of OPAC Search Results 16:17 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7154 follow-up DBRev 16:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5180 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Autocomplete broken on overdues report 16:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5482 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names 16:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7714 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , sample_notices.sql translated to french 16:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Display information about library on OPAC detail 16:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7154 enhancement, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Group borrower attributes and link between patron category and attribute 16:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #675 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:22 paul_p i'm about to push bug 5549 ;-) 16:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Passed QA , Hourly Loans 16:22 jcamins_away paul_p: you waited until *after* libsysguy left? That's just cruel! 16:23 * slef cheers as he squashes the bug 16:24 cait lol 16:24 cait woohoo 16:24 cait :) 16:24 cait I belive paul wants to qa 7760 next 16:25 cait right, paul_p? :) 16:25 jcamins_away bug 7760 16:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton 16:25 paul_p cait = if you promize to vote "yes" to the icon-ed mainpage :D :D 16:25 cait I can't 16:25 cait I don't like any icons 16:26 cait it's not only those icons - I am against any icons 16:26 cait :) 16:26 cait but I can stay silent... maybe 16:26 cait I still think doing a small change with some colors and things will be enough 16:26 * slef sulks as the more complex test fails 16:26 cait everything else is breaking too much with the existing layout 16:26 cait even if it's shiny 16:26 mbalmer icons are great if you use touchscreens, think of selfcheckouts e.g. 16:27 cait yeah, but not in this context 16:27 cait I mean, it#s not about touchscreens here 16:27 cait and big buttons work too 16:27 jcamins_away Okay, I have found a way around reterminating any Cat6a jacks at this time. 16:31 slef Terminator 3 16:31 slef wahanui: coding guidelines? 16:31 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 17:01 chris_n so what do ya'll think about having a branch-local category of sysprefs? 17:01 chris_n hourly++ 17:01 * wizzyrea thinks it could be handy 17:01 * chris_n assumes that also means hourly fines? 17:01 kmkale its eaten with hot "Tup" which is clarified butter 17:01 wizzyrea yummmm 17:02 kmkale yup 17:03 chris_n sounds good 17:03 sean in order for zebra functionality to work, does there need to be any type of service running? trying to figure out why i can't get any search results from the webpage. i already ran rebuild 17:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #675: SUCCESS in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/675/ 17:03 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 6125: repairs dateaccessioned plugin 17:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5841: Routing slip not displaying publication date 17:03 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7769 - members/pay.pl: $template scoping for plack 17:03 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7310 follow-up : typo fix lt instead of < in DB version comparison 17:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6125 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Plugin for date acquired does not work on ACQ framework 17:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5841 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Routing slip not displaying publication date 17:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7769 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , members/pay.pl: $template scoping for plack 17:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) 17:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #676 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:04 kmkale sean run rebuild_zebra.pl with a cronjob 17:05 wizzyrea searching faq? 17:05 wahanui i guess searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 17:05 wizzyrea sean, see && 17:05 wizzyrea ^^* 17:06 wizzyrea are you using the packages or a tarball install? 17:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #676: FAILURE in 2 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/676/ 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Allow hourly loans to be indicated in the loan rules 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add a timezone object to C4::Context 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add DateUtils Module 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Due Date calculation in issue needs to be HH:MM aware 17:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Hourly Loans 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Koha::Calendar allow negative offset to addDate 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Pass time_zone correctly 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Get basic 24 Hr loan working 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : GetPendingIssues now returns duedate as a DateTime object 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Need a testscript for rolling loans 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add Tests For Koha::DateUtils 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add Koha directory to testcritic 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Merge old and new DateUtils tests 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : DateUtils handling odd cases 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Handle datetimes on return 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Only use DateTime for issues table 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : GetPendingIssues now returns DateTime objects 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : overdues display should be hours mins aware 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Cannot use CUR_DATE on date_due column 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Format date with hh:mm in branchoverdues 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : DateUtils add subroutine format_sqldatetime 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549: Formatting duedates in catalogue scripts 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Duedate formatting : reserves and opac 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Format Date in ILSDI::Services to include hhmm 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add days_between method to Koha::Calendar 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Fix calculation of duedates in fines.pl and advance_notices.pl 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : replace curdate with now in a couple of sql lines 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Let Timestamp do the right thing if passed a DateTime 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Sip scripts should handle dt due dates 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Overdues : Handle some date comparison and display issues 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add script to convert issue_dates 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add Extra Perl Dependencies 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Fix a couple of date issues from testing 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add Returned, checkout out time to Patron Circ History 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Show time due in opac-detail 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Fix typo in renewscript 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Make Koha::Calendar testable 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Koha::Calendar needs to accept scalar add_durations 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Calendar needed a change array_ref to hash_ref 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : move rollingloans.t to db_dependent tests 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Don't confuse the users with an irrelevant time 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Format due dates in opac 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 Fix a couple of comparisons in C4::Circulation 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : circ/returns needs to import DateUtils 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Daily loans should be due at 23:59 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : returns calling wrong format routine on date 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Fix 'specify due date' 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Koha::Calendar::addDate should not loop on -1 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : use DateUtils routine for formatting sql date 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Refactor fines.pl 17:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : CalcFine was corrupting due date 17:06 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6430 - DB changes needed to support hourly circ 17:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6430 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED WONTFIX, DB changes needed for Hourly Circulation 17:06 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 - Hourly Loans - Fixing a typo 17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : Fixed bracketing error 17:07 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 - Another typo fix 17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : added select option in circ rules for unit 17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed typo 17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : added dropdown for new rule 17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed save in smart-rules 17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed clone issue in moremember 17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : Fixing the opac-pref 17:07 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 : Fixing link to calendar 17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed datetime issue so time is shown in output for circulation.pl and moremember.pl 17:07 jenkins_koha * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed non-cloned date object in Add date for calendar, also removed erounous dumper in moremember.pl that dumped entire issue 17:07 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 : Fixing typo in C4/Circulation.pm 17:07 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 : _FixFineDaysOnReturn was using C4::Dates in calling 17:07 jenkins_koha * root: Bug 5549 : fixed undefined subroutine format_date in circ/returns.pl by adding full path of C4::Dates::format_date() 17:07 jenkins_koha * koha.sekjal: Bug 5549 Followup: fix suspension in days 17:07 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7737: applies date filters on vendor pages 17:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7737 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Use of date filters on bookseller pages 17:07 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 5549: follow-up DBRev number 17:08 sean yeah, i checked all the faq stuff. i have the correct env variables and no zebra processes are running. zebra is installed. yet, nothing comes up in the search 17:08 libsysguy uh oh 17:08 chris_n sean: do 'ps -ef | grep zebra' 17:08 libsysguy hourly killed jenkins 17:08 chris_n opps 17:08 chris_n should have read first... :P 17:09 sean no zebra processes at all. is there supposed to be one? 17:09 wizzyrea jcamins: http://video.about.com/indianfood/How-to-Make-Coconut-Barfi--Coconut-Fudge-.htm 17:09 sean that fudge looks good 17:09 gmcharlt sean: zebrasrv, at least 17:09 kmkale sean: you must rin zebra server first 17:10 sean that's my original problem: i can't get the zebra server to run 17:10 wizzyrea sorry sean I think I misunderstood your problem 17:10 sean not even from the command line 17:10 wizzyrea I thought you weren't getting *updates* 17:10 wizzyrea that's my bad sorry >.< 17:10 sean it stops short of giving it a pid, when i run from the command line 17:10 sean np :) 17:10 kmkale I run it like this : 17:10 kmkale KOHA_CONF=/home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/home/kk/kohaclone /home/kk/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh start 17:10 kmkale KOHA_CONF=/home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/home/kk/kohaclone /home/kk/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z 17:11 sekjal hey, all. got my ducks in a nice row, and can squeeze in most of one more session at CiL before heading home 17:11 sekjal open source trends and migrations 17:11 sekjal should be fun 17:11 kmkale go sekjal :) 17:12 sean kmkale: when i run koha-zebra-ctl.sh like that, nothing happens... just get a prompt again 17:12 sekjal given that one of the presenters just migrated to faux-pen source, I figured it might be handy to have another perspective in the room 17:13 kmkale yah but the ps aux|grep zebra should show a zebra server running 17:13 wizzyrea sekjal: who's that 17:13 wahanui that is failed qa 17:13 sean checking... 17:13 kmkale sean have you installed zebraserv ? 17:13 wizzyrea forget that 17:13 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot that 17:13 sean not running 17:13 kmkale have you installed the pkg? 17:13 sekjal librarian from Crowell Public in CA 17:13 sean i'm pretty sure i installed it... what's the package name? 17:13 sekjal (california, not canada) 17:14 bag @wunder 93109 17:14 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.9°C (10:13 AM PDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 17:14 kmkale ii idzebra-2.0 2.0.44-3 IDZebra metapackage (the works) 17:14 sean indexdata, right? 17:15 maximep @wunder cyqb 17:15 huginn maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is 15.0°C (1:00 PM EDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 17:15 maximep o_O 17:15 sean kmkale: definitely installed that 17:15 kmkale if yes then check the location of where zebrasrv lives mine is at ZEBRASRV=/usr/bin/zebrasrv 17:15 sean checking... 17:15 kmkale and check if its correct in koha-zebra-ctl.sh 17:16 paul_p noone should worry of jenkins build failed, it's because of a missing package rangi will probably add very soon (DateTime/Format/DateParse.pm) 17:18 sekjal paul_p: ah, I had installed that earlier while testing something I later scraped... that's why it slipped through on my machine 17:18 sean kmkale: hell, the shell file says ZEBRASRV=/zebrasrv. doh 17:18 kmkale hah thats your problem right there :) 17:18 * slef is unreasonably happy with bug 7729 17:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , svc API should allow modification of items 17:18 Morthland Howdy, 17:18 slef hi Morthland 17:19 Morthland My kohaadmin wont let me add items to batches anymore 17:19 Morthland It is set to single-branch mode 17:19 Morthland I'm sure I changed some setting 17:19 Morthland how do I fix? 17:19 wizzyrea add items to what kind of batches? 17:20 wizzyrea the first question? 17:20 wahanui i think the first question is "What are you trying to do?" 17:20 wizzyrea the second question? 17:20 wahanui somebody said the second question was "What is the exact error message?" 17:20 Morthland label creater 17:20 Morthland let me reprodduce 17:20 chris_n the third question? 17:20 wahanui the third question is, like, "What version of Koha are you using?" 17:20 Morthland An error was encountered and items(s) not added, the error was: Branch is not set, you please set your branch before adding items to a batch Please have your system administrator check the error log for details. 17:20 Morthland I go to set branch 17:20 wizzyrea ok, do you have another superlibrarian 17:21 wizzyrea because you can't do that kind of stuff with your kohaadmin 17:21 Morthland Single Branch mode is ON. 17:21 wizzyrea you should NEVER use that 17:21 wizzyrea account. 17:21 wahanui account is not debarred 17:21 wizzyrea forget account. 17:21 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot account 17:21 Morthland what? 17:21 wizzyrea morthland 17:21 wahanui i guess morthland is reading the history 17:22 kmkale I am really happy with bug 7698. Is there any chance it can pich the default locale and put it in the xml file? 17:22 wizzyrea you should never ever use the kohaadmin account to do stuff 17:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7698 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Add ICU option to Koha out of the box 17:22 sean kmkale: should i use zebrasrv or zebrasrv-2.0? 17:22 kmkale I always had to apply that by hand to all my installs 17:22 Morthland what account shoul I use? 17:22 bag dpavlin++ I'm loving seeing all those plack bugs/enh :) w00t 17:22 kmkale sean: that should be a symlink 17:22 wizzyrea you should always create another user, give that user the home branch and superlibrarian permissions 17:22 wizzyrea and use that account 17:22 wizzyrea you add another account by adding a patron, then going to more -> permissions 17:22 wizzyrea and checking "superlibrarian" 17:23 sean the symlink is zebrasrv. i noticed a file called zebrasrv-2.0 in there, though 17:23 kmkale I think its setup through /etc/alternatives/ during pkg installation 17:24 kmkale use zebrasrv. should work 17:24 sean cool. trying it out... 17:27 sean success :) thanks ya'll 17:27 sekjal yes, dpavlin++ indeed 17:27 sekjal I'll try running my home library under mod_perl, and see if I can flush a few more of the bugs out 17:27 Morthland I don't see more>>permissions on my patron 17:27 Morthland running 3.2.5 17:28 bag yeah sekjal that would great! 17:29 bag let me know if you don't have time. I think I can set up two installs on mybox and have one plack and one mod_perl 17:29 sekjal bag: I've already got the configs in my koha-httpd.conf; just need to turn them on 17:29 bag I'll give you the keys to the mod_perl one and maybe we can spend sometime together looking for mod_perl issues 17:29 sekjal oh, right, and populate my install.... 17:29 sekjal bag: that'd be sweet 17:29 bag heh.. send me the configs - and I can throw some sample data at it 17:30 bag shouldn't be crazy amounts - but it would be fix to get some little tweaks for mod_perl completed :) 17:30 bag SPEED!!! 17:30 wahanui speed is important however. 17:31 sean huh. i ran the command to start zebrasrv, it said starting server... but there is no process 17:31 sekjal even if you could just get the OPAC running on it, that'd be boss 17:31 kmkale sean run it manually then 17:31 kmkale not with daemon 17:31 sekjal okay, session is getting started 17:31 sekjal lessee how this goes 17:31 kmkale it will show you where its getting errors 17:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #677 for job Koha_master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #675 1 hr 14 min ago) 17:33 sean same thing as before... the last thing it prints to the screen is authoritysocket id=2. it stops short of giving it a pid 17:34 paul_p OK guys, I think i've pushed maybe 30 patches today, time for my family now ;-) 17:34 sekjal have a great night, paul_p! 17:34 kmkale sean: /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 17:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 6140 follow-up: DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=35279926b3865b003c6bd01d5c5378addfa903a9> / Bug 6140 - Set a timeout to z3950 servers that could have network problems occasionally <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=21b3f8a7bfe149925a0dc9331ca1935593a4b6e5> / Bug 7779 - tools/letter.pl: scope vars for plack <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/? 17:35 rangi !jenkins build Koha_master now 17:35 jenkins_koha rangi: job Koha_master build scheduled now 17:36 sean 12:35:10-22/03 [server] Adding dynamic listener on none,fatal,warn id=0 17:36 sean 12:35:10-22/03 [fatal] Failed to listen on none,fatal,warn 17:37 kmkale huh. try /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v -f /home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 17:37 sean 12:37:22-22/03 [server] Adding dynamic listener on /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml id=0 17:38 sean 12:37:22-22/03 [fatal] Failed to listen on /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 17:38 sekjal hey, ByWater is on one of Marshall's slides as part of the competitive landscape of the US library industry 17:38 bag cool :) 17:38 bag about time :) 17:39 sekjal liblime koha and liblime academic koha are broken out as separate software, at last 17:39 rangi yay! 17:40 sekjal "numbers are respectable, it's a piece of the industy, a growing part of how libraries do automation" 17:40 rangi wow thats an about face 17:41 rangi from there is no trend 17:42 sekjal he's willing to be swayed by the data he collects 17:42 sekjal "koha as supported by ByWater Solutions is doing very well" 17:43 rangi so is koha independent, i hope he mentions that .. because thats the real success of a project .. the ppl who can do it themselves .. imho 17:43 slef and the people who do it with a mix of service providers 17:43 slef which we're doing more and more 17:43 rangi yeah thats cool 17:43 slef (including internal+external) 17:43 slef Marshall's numbers remain unverifiable. 17:44 slef Unless something's changed? 17:44 sekjal points out the migration from LibLime to ByWater and Independent 17:44 sekjal but as for independent Koha, he's says most US libraries get help from a company, so he doesn't mention it very prominently 17:44 bag nothing has changed slef 17:44 rangi yeah we now have a public library who does their own upgrades via packages 17:44 rangi which is pretty cool 17:44 bag hey that's cool 17:44 slef I'm a statistician, so I don't trust secret datasets or methodologies much. 17:45 bag :) 17:45 rangi im a mathematician so i dont trust statisticians much *grin* 17:46 sekjal talking about satisfaction: "koha from liblime is pretty low" 17:46 rangi actually i lie, i actually did about as many stats as pure math papers at uni 17:46 bag is nengard there? 17:47 sekjal bag: she didn't want to come 17:47 sekjal slef: haven't seen marshall's raw data, no, but I haven't looked in depth 17:48 rangi @wunder nzwn 17:48 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (6:00 AM NZDT on March 23, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 17:49 rangi go away humidity 17:49 chris_n @wunder 28334 17:49 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 25.0°C (1:35 PM EDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 17:49 slef sekjal: now you're not at a vendor, maybe marshall would let you see the data. I don't know. 17:49 rangi nz are sposta be losing to south africa at cricket in wellington today 17:50 sekjal slef: could be worth asking. do it as an academic librarian... could work 17:53 * rangi is very happy about bug 7760 17:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton 17:54 sekjal marshall is estimating from 15-30 full time (equivalent) developers in the Koha sphere 17:55 rangi i think thats about right 17:55 sekjal seems reasonable... only real way to do the comparison with proprietary companies, i think 17:56 slef rangi: you reckon? Seems low to me. I think up to half of any LMS's development effort is site-specific integration work. 17:57 rangi fulltime devs? yeah i think round 20 is about right in a given month 17:58 slef rangi: yeah, but that's in the community code, not the whole sphere 17:58 rangi but if you want to count ppl doing implementation probbaly 40ish 18:00 rangi i mean you dont get 256 migrations in a year in the philippines 18:00 rangi without a few ppl working on 18:00 rangi it 18:00 sean i have searched everywhere and tried many things, but i can't figure this out. when i try to start zebrasrv, is " Failed to listen on..." does anybody have any insight? 18:00 rangi when i was asked about it, i was asked how many would i estimate were committing code to the git repo on a full time basis 18:01 rangi so thats how i answered 18:01 slef sean: second question 18:01 wahanui somebody said second question was "What is the exact error message?" 18:01 rangi it specifically didnt count implementers 18:01 sean oh. i posted it earlier. one sec 18:02 slef sean: "netstat -apn" as root may show something else listening on one of the zebrasrv ports 18:02 slef sean: oh I'll look back 18:02 slef "Failed to listen on /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml" 18:02 slef that's odd 18:03 slef koha-conf.xml is a config file, not a port 18:03 * slef looks at his server 18:03 sean yup. and i ran it with just -v -f 18:03 slef sean: why aren't you using koha-zebra-ctl.sh ? 18:03 sekjal .... LL customer speaking now is confusing "Koha" and "LibLime" unconsciously in her speech 18:04 sekjal but does recognize that it is proprietary, not open source 18:04 slef sekjal: :( 18:04 sean because the shell was crashing with nothing to show 18:04 slef sean: then try: sh -x koha-zebra-ctl.sh start # and put the output into http://paste.koha-community.org 18:04 sean when i ran the shell script, it would say "starting server" but there would be no process 18:05 sean will do 18:05 rangi sekjal: can you heckle? :) 18:05 slef although actually zebrasrv -f should work OK :-/ 18:05 * slef rereads back 18:05 sekjal quesitons at the end... I have to catch a train soon 18:05 rangi oe at least say :You are only talking about liblime eh?" 18:05 sekjal now she's badmouthing the system 18:05 sean slef: right 18:05 rangi yeah, thats where it needs to be clear its not koha 18:06 jcamins_away wizzyrea: coconut barfi is amazing. 18:06 kmkale sean try with your env vars on the same line like : KOHA_CONF=/home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/home/kk/kohaclone /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 18:07 slef jcamins_away: coconut barf??? 18:07 kmkale thats working for me 18:07 jcamins_away *barfi* 18:07 slef kmkale: zebrasrv ignores the env vars doesn't it? 18:07 kmkale it will either show you the error or run the zebra server 18:07 jcamins_away Very big difference. 18:07 rangi sekjal: *sigh* hopefully the people listening understand the distinction 18:07 slef Barfi or burfi (Hindi: बरà¥à¤«à¤¼à¥€, Urdu: برÙÛŒ), is a sweet from the Indian subcontinent. Plain barfi is made from condensed milk, cooked with sugar until it solidifies. Other varieties include besan barfi, made with besan (gram flour), and pista barfi, which is a milk barfi containing ground pistachio nuts. The name is derived from Persian barf which means ice since burfi is... http://a.vu/w:Barfi 18:07 kmkale slef: I just tried that command. without the env it gives exact same error as sean got 18:08 kmkale with the env it runs 18:08 slef kmkale: something wicked this way comes! 18:08 pastebot "sean" at 68.100.195.65 pasted "zebra server: failed to listen on" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/317 18:08 kmkale hey barfi, puranpoli 18:08 kmkale today #koha is full of our sweets!! 18:09 sekjal did my corrections 18:09 sekjal got to pack up and go 18:09 rangi thank you sekjal 18:09 slef sekjal thanks! 18:09 rangi safe travels 18:09 sean kmkale: giving it a shot 18:09 bag safe travels sekjal 18:10 jcamins_away Mmmm. Puranpoli looks tasty. 18:10 sekjal okay, now we're on to "what's Koha" 18:10 sekjal oh geeze 18:10 kmkale jcamins_away: come over. its on my menu tomorrow :) 18:10 rangi yikes 18:10 rangi that doesnt sound good 18:10 sekjal LL rep said that it's all open, but that you can't download LibLime Academic Koha 18:10 sekjal so... little cognitive dissonance there 18:11 sekjal ugh. gtg. train 18:11 jcamins_away kmkale: oooh, wish I could. 18:11 sean kmkale: got a permission denied. huh 18:11 sean 13:11:00-22/03 [fatal] lock file /home/koha/koha-dev/var/lock/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [Permission denied] 18:12 chris_n search? 18:12 wahanui search is for the patrons not the librarians 18:12 chris_n zebra? 18:12 wahanui zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses 18:12 chris_n zebra faq? 18:12 chris_n search faq? 18:12 wahanui search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 18:12 kmkale sean: check perms on the full path upto /home/koha/koha-dev/var/lock/zebradb/biblios 18:12 kmkale and hope you are running the command as koha user? 18:12 data_doctor zebra has poor documentation 18:12 sean yup, just starting. odd. i did the whole installation from the koha super user 18:13 data_doctor on its site 18:13 kmkale as super user? 18:13 kmkale then the perms might be for root. check 18:13 sean a user called "koha" with sudo 18:13 sean haven't logged in as root since i first installed the server 18:14 kmkale did you do install with sudo <command>? 18:14 sean yup, from the koha user 18:14 kmkale aah check the ownership of the above path 18:15 slef chris_n: enjoying groping wahanui? 18:15 sean bah. root owns koha-dev 18:15 kmkale :) 18:15 kmkale sean for a dev install no need to use sudo 18:15 rangi ok time to feed the kids, back from the bus in a bit 18:15 sean i feel like i missed a "check the damn cables" step in troubleshooting 18:16 * jcamins_away eats some regular bitter orange fudge as a consolation for not having coconut barfi. 18:16 sean off the top of your head, before i ask allmighty google, can i recursively change the ownership of koha-dev? 18:17 jcamins_away Yes. 18:17 kmkale sean: yup 18:17 sean been away from linux for a while 18:17 kmkale chown -R 18:17 jcamins_away chown -R sean:sean ~/koha-dev 18:17 slef chown -R user:group ~/koha-dev 18:17 kmkale aahh I think he is using the koha user? 18:17 sean rog. thanks 18:18 jcamins_away sean: right, whichever user you are running Koha as. 18:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #677: NOW UNSTABLE in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/677/ 18:19 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7768 - acqui/z3950_search.pl: remove sub displayresults to fix plack scoping 18:19 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7767 - acqui/basketgroup.pl: our $template scoping for plack 18:19 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7765 - labels/label-edit-layout.pl: plack $layout scoping 18:19 jenkins_koha * f.demians: SIGNED-OFF Bug 7590 Cataloging authorities search result page is broken 18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add unique ids and a module class to all acquisitions pages 18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add unique ids and a module class to all authorities pages 18:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7768 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , acqui/z3950_search.pl: remove sub displayresults to fix scoping 18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add unique ids and a module class to all administration pages 18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (cart) 18:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7767 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , acqui/basketgroup.pl: our $template scoping 18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (batch, error) 18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (catalog) 18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (cataloguing) 18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (circulation) 18:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7765 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , label-edit-layout.pl $layout scoping for plack #20 18:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7590 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Cataloging authorities search result page is broken 18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (lists, suggestion, z39.50) 18:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (patrons) 18:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton 18:20 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (serials) 18:20 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (tools) 18:20 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (patroncard, labels) 18:20 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (reports, ...) 18:20 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7779 - tools/letter.pl: scope vars for plack 18:20 jenkins_koha * juan.sieira: Bug 6140 - Set a timeout to z3950 servers that could have network problems occasionally 18:20 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 6140 follow-up: DBRev number 18:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7779 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , tools/letter.pl: scope vars for plack 18:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6140 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, juan.sieira, Pushed to Master , Set a timeout to z3950 servers that could have network problems occasionally 18:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #678 for job Koha_master (previous build: NOW UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #675 2 hr 1 min ago) 18:22 sean kmkale: the process showed up. sigh. looks like it was a permission issue the whole time. i suppose this is a good issue to have when getting back into linux. i checked everything BUT that 18:24 kmkale sean: heh. perms get you many times 18:24 kmkale even if you work on linux full time 18:24 kmkale but you had the zebrasrb path prob in the sh file too 18:24 kmkale anyway glad its solved for you :) 18:25 jcamins_away sean: I have probably installed Koha in dev mode several dozen times now. 18:25 jcamins_away Can you guess how many times I've been tripped up by that? 18:26 jcamins_away (hint: not quite as many times as I've installed Koha in dev mode, but pretty close) 18:26 jcamins_away :) 18:27 kmkale :) 18:27 sean hmmm. my librarian still says that searching is not working. guess i'm still in troubleshooting mode 18:27 jcamins_away sean: now you have to reindex. 18:27 kmkale sean: now run the rebuild_zebra.pl 18:28 jcamins_away misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v 18:28 sean i already did before the servgice was running. should i do it again? 18:28 kmkale whith your env of koha_conf and perl5lib exported :) 18:28 jcamins_away sean: if the permissions were wrong, the reindex probably didn't actually work successfully. 18:28 sean i also still need to do the cronjob 18:28 kmkale sean: yes 18:28 sean ah, jcamins, good point 18:32 sean no success, after rebuild. i wonder if i jacked up the perms on the zebra db as well 18:32 sean is that where the index is stored? 18:33 jcamins_away sean: it should be in ~/koha-dev/var/lib 18:33 kmkale sean: for a dev install the db is also under koha-dev 18:35 sean then that shouldn't be a problem, since i changed the ownership of the whole directory 18:35 jcamins_away Right. 18:39 sean nothing is coming up in the "search catalog". strange. i'm still poking around 18:39 sean i do have some stuff popping up in the error log, though... 18:40 jcamins_away sean: what's in the error log? 18:40 sean [Thu Mar 22 13:37:15 2012] [error] [client 68.100.195.65] [Thu Mar 22 13:37:15 2012] Context.pm: could not find ParserDetails.ini in /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/XML/SAX, referer: http://108.166.82.181:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=pagan 18:41 jcamins_away Okay, you're missing some dependencies. 18:41 jcamins_away Run... 18:41 jcamins_away koha_perl_deps.pl -m 18:41 sean i tried to load all the sax packages i could, earlier 18:41 sean k. running... 18:41 wizzyrea or more -> about koha -> perl modules 18:42 jcamins_away wizzyrea: oh, good thought. 18:42 wizzyrea sometimes it happens :) 18:43 sean where is that perl script? 18:43 jcamins_away kohaclone. 18:43 wizzyrea just do it through the web interface: more -> about koha -> perl modules 18:43 jcamins_away But wizzyrea's suggestion is probably better. 18:43 wizzyrea should show you what you're missing 18:43 wizzyrea less worrying about env that way :P 18:44 sekjal made my train 18:44 jcamins_away sekjal: yay! 18:44 jcamins_away And there's wifi! 18:44 sean oh. you said that, but i wasn't following. i'm just a computer guy. i know very little about koha :) 18:44 sekjal indeed... though kind of spotty wifi 18:44 wizzyrea ah we were all there once :) 18:44 jcamins_away Except me. I was there twice. 18:44 jcamins_away :) 18:44 wizzyrea well, you're the exception. 18:45 wizzyrea kekeke 18:45 jcamins_away Yes. I learned to use Koha 3.0 way back, then forgot everything, and had to start over with 3.2. 18:45 wizzyrea oh that doesn't count really. 18:45 rangi Back 18:45 wizzyrea wb 18:46 * wizzyrea ponders the cinnamon sweet rolls in the kitchen 18:46 jcamins_away Oooh. 18:46 jcamins_away I want cinnamon sweet rolls. 18:46 kmkale wizzyrea: you are really on food today :) 18:46 wizzyrea every day! 18:46 wahanui somebody said every day was a koha hackfest here at Catalyst :D 18:46 wizzyrea more or less :) 18:46 wizzyrea sorry, that should read *coconut* sweet rolls 18:46 jcamins_away wahanui: every day is also a good day to talk about food 18:46 wahanui okay, jcamins_away. 18:47 sean it says i have all the sax modules 18:47 jcamins_away wizzyrea: ooooooooooooooohhhhh! 18:47 wizzyrea did you edit your parserdetails.ini to put the right sax parser at the bottom? 18:47 rangi Ohh anitsirk did another sign off 18:47 sean probably not :) i found a post about that, but i'm not certain at all if i did the correct edit 18:47 wizzyrea it's in the install.debian 18:48 wizzyrea have we established if you were doing a package install or a regular one/ 18:48 * wizzyrea was at lunch didn't see all of it 18:48 sean git 18:48 wizzyrea kk 18:48 rangi I did a patch to make that not necessary 18:48 wizzyrea http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;h=c423473e3738410b02d144ff3d07ce8d429a0ec2;hb=HEAD#l130 18:48 wizzyrea oooo 18:48 wizzyrea we should update the instructions then. 18:49 wizzyrea rangi- we don't need to do that parserdetails.ini edit *at all* anymore? 18:49 libsysguy man bug 5339 went out of date again 18:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5339 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Parcel closing in acq 18:49 wizzyrea instructions regarding that can go away 18:50 wizzyrea (just making sure I understand) 18:50 rangi I don't think it was pushed I remember some trolly egg who works for a,logs competitor being an egg 18:50 sean i edited parser earlier. i put expatxs at the bottom, not knowing any better 18:50 wizzyrea no, that's wrong 18:50 rangi Koha competitor 18:50 sean in retrospect, i probably jacked up the entire file 18:50 wizzyrea naw 18:50 wizzyrea sean - see that link? 18:51 rangi And I gave up arguing 18:51 wizzyrea it tells you exactly what the end of the file should look like 18:51 sean yup, saw it. about to implement :) 18:51 wizzyrea great :) 18:51 jcamins_away What do eggs have to do with anything? 18:51 * jcamins_away totally failed at following that conversation. 18:51 rangi Ill see if I can resurrect 18:51 wizzyrea I think rangi is replacing swearwords with eggs 18:51 * wizzyrea uses shampoo. 18:51 jcamins_away Ohhh. 18:51 wizzyrea trolly shampoo sounds like a godsend 18:51 jcamins_away That makes sense. :) 18:52 rangi Hehe no its an nz thing 18:52 wizzyrea lol or that 18:52 rangi Watch the movie boy 18:52 * wizzyrea keeps meaning to do that 18:52 rangi Ull learn the slang I grew up with 18:52 wizzyrea that's a pretty good incentive. 18:52 wizzyrea replacing swearwords with egg is pretty fun too though, you have to admit 18:53 rangi Spoon is another one 18:54 sekjal spoon? 18:54 wahanui There is no spoon. 18:54 rangi You egg could be you spoon 18:54 rangi That guys such a spoon 18:55 rangi I think they use spoon in the ghost chips advert 18:55 rangi I'd look but YouTube on 3g gets expensive 18:58 sean still no results. should i restart zebrasrv? 18:58 jcamins_away faq? 18:58 wahanui faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 19:00 jcamins_away ^^ it might be a good idea to take a look through that. 19:00 sean been over the faq numerous times in the past 24 hours :) 19:01 jcamins_away Oh. 19:01 wizzyrea do you know if your initial index was successful? 19:01 wizzyrea perhaps start there. 19:01 sean "Records exported: 0" is that a bad thing? 19:02 rangi Yes means u have none 19:02 sean well then :) good to know 19:02 rangi That was -b -v -x -r eh? 19:02 wizzyrea ok, do you *have* any records? 19:03 sean i have just over 2k records 19:03 wizzyrea because we don't include any in the sample data. 19:03 wizzyrea ok good. 19:03 sean -b -a -r -v 19:03 * wizzyrea just had to make sure 19:03 sean i migrated an existing db to a new server 19:03 wizzyrea ah cool 19:04 rangi Try without -a 19:04 rangi Just do biblio first 19:05 sean 0 again. however, i noticed an error message, but it scrolled by too fast. going to dump that output and read it 19:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #678: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/678/ 19:08 sean the screen output is different from the dumped output. the stuff on the screen is xml, while the file has the normal index output. which means i didn't catch that error 19:09 wizzyrea the third question? 19:09 wahanui the third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" 19:09 sean oh, missed it. 3.6.x git 19:09 wizzyrea k 19:09 wizzyrea the git I caught :) 19:10 sean now that i think about it. i didn't used to see a bunch of xml spit out when i ran rebuild before 19:12 jcamins_away sean: that means you have some record corruption. What version are you upgrading from? 19:13 sean i think the old server was also 3.6.x, but i used the package installation on that one. i just changed servers. 19:13 sean i did the mysqldump this morning from the old, and then copied it over 19:14 sean regarding ParserDetails.ini, should i remove XML::SAX::ExpatXS? 19:14 sean libxml::sax is at the bottom 19:14 wizzyrea as long as the right thing is at the end, you don't need to 19:14 sean k 19:17 sean ah. sax_parser_print said i was a bad boy 19:17 sean it's picking up the pureperl entry, even though the correct entry is at the bottom 19:18 wizzyrea ok, is pureperl at the *top* 19:18 wizzyrea ? 19:18 wizzyrea when in doubt 19:18 wizzyrea get rid of everything except the thing that is supposed to be there. 19:18 rangi ahh rollingloans.t 19:18 * wizzyrea proposes the nuclear approach 19:19 sean lol "that is supposed to be there" 19:19 rangi ill submit a patch doing the db thing like we did for ratings 19:19 * jcamins_away tries to decide which parts of the table to take off of which other parts. 19:19 wizzyrea [XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser] 19:19 wizzyrea 147 http://xml.org/sax/features/namespaces = 1 19:19 wizzyrea only that 19:19 wizzyrea (without the 147 19:19 wizzyrea ) 19:19 sean giving it a shot :) 19:22 sean weird. deleted everything but the correct entry and sax_parser_print STILL says it sees pureperl. interesting 19:22 sean maybe just remove that package entirely? 19:22 sean does anything else need it? 19:22 wizzyrea you are looking at /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini 19:22 wizzyrea ? 19:22 sean oh. just noticed the path it was referring to 19:23 sean i was looking at etc, but this script is looking at /usr/local 19:23 wizzyrea you installed as standard or as dev? 19:24 sean dev 19:25 sean it's looking for the file at the usr location, but the file resides in etc 19:25 sean maybe just a symlink? 19:25 wizzyrea no one else has this problem that I'm aware of. 19:25 sean ysy 19:25 sean yay 19:26 sean where should parserdetails.ini normally reside? 19:26 wizzyrea /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini 19:26 sean yup, that's where it's at 19:26 jcamins_away Why aren't you just using packages, BTW? 19:27 sean i read that it was a little easier, in some ways, to upgrade with a git installation 19:27 jcamins_away sean: no, it's a lot harder. 19:27 sean thought i would give it a shot 19:27 sean :'( 19:27 jcamins_away If you're not planning on doing development, packages are the best choice. 19:27 sean should i just nuke then? 19:28 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIYvD9DI1ZA <-- how to use the word spoon .. at 29 seconds 19:29 jcamins_away sean: up to you. 19:29 sean i think i'll nuke and do the package 19:31 jcamins_away Good choice. 19:31 sean virtual servers ftw 19:32 jcamins_away rangi: having watched that, I'm not entirely clear on what spoon means. 19:34 rangi it means the same as egg! 19:34 rangi :) 19:36 rangi and really that was all just a ploy to paste this again 19:36 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsFlVWqWHlA 19:37 wizzyrea you know I can't eat ur ghost chups. 19:38 chris_n what is the proper "name" for the "database" on a z3950 server running sirsi? 19:38 * bag loves playing with plackup 19:38 rangi egg ? 19:38 rangi crap? 19:39 wizzyrea UNICORN 19:39 wizzyrea I think. 19:39 rangi thisdoesn'twork! 19:39 rangi :) 19:39 chris_n lol rangi 19:39 * rangi is totally in friday mood 19:39 wizzyrea YOURMOM 19:40 jcamins_away youmaynothaveyourdata 19:53 wizzyrea goodluckgettingyourstuffsuckers 19:55 sean in a new install of debian, is /etc/apt supposed to exist? 19:59 ibeardslee as a directory, yes it should 20:00 sean it doesn't. i wonder wy 20:00 sean why 20:01 ibeardslee what happens if you do an 'apt-get update' ? 20:02 sean command not found 20:02 sean i just installed this server on rackspace wtf 20:03 rangi yeah i dont think you got debian :) 20:04 sean i must have clicked too quickly. obviously, i need more margarita 20:04 rangi yes 20:04 rangi that is pretty much the fix for everything :) 20:05 sean i've been in project management for the past 6 years. haven't touched a server in all that time. relearning everying 20:06 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5158#c4 20:06 huginn 04Bug 5158: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, camins, ASSIGNED , Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors 20:07 sekjal blog post summarizing the session I was just in: http://hurstassociates.blogspot.com/2012/03/cil2012-open-source-trends-and.html 20:07 * rangi looks 20:08 sekjal not much about the question/answer portion at the end 20:08 rangi hmm 20:09 rangi about what i expected, sad that the LL customers believe the FUD from LL 20:09 sekjal yeah... her library didn't want Koha, they wanted Polaris 20:09 sekjal were forced to go with LibLime's quote by those doing the budget 20:10 rangi yeah thats never going to go well 20:10 wizzyrea what's the thing about the koha fight? 20:10 rangi ppl who chose free software on price 20:10 rangi not good for koha .. or them 20:10 sekjal me v. LL 20:10 wizzyrea OH 20:10 sekjal there were some... ambiguities I wanted to help clear up 20:11 eythian_bucklame > Koha in general is being developed by volunteers. 20:11 eythian_bucklame Not convinced that's true at all 20:11 * wizzyrea either 20:11 sekjal the librarian was ripping on feature-based quirks that are not actually a problem in Koha 20:11 sekjal depends how you measure 20:11 wizzyrea last I checked most of you got paid to do work on koha :P 20:11 * wizzyrea does 20:11 sekjal if it's by number of individuals who have contributed code, perhaps 20:11 sekjal we have lots of volunteers contributing one or two patches 20:12 eythian_bucklame sekjal: that's likely true, but by number of patches or something, I think it's not true. 20:12 sekjal but if you go by number of commits, or SLOC contributed, it's mostly from a few groups 20:13 rangi i think its a very healthy mix 20:13 eythian_bucklame > Wow...we nearly had a Koha fight! 20:13 eythian_bucklame what's that mean? 20:14 sekjal eythian_bucklame: after I spoke, a rep from LL spoke saying they don't have any proprietary code 20:14 wizzyrea sekjal was defending our honor ;) 20:14 rangi sekjal clarified, and i expect a liblime employee spread lies to counter .. its pretty much their MO 20:14 wizzyrea did you ask them about the trademark 20:14 sekjal I asked where we can download LibLime Academic Koha, and they said it's not available because it hasn't been signed off by it's sponsors 20:14 sekjal trademark didn't come up 20:15 eythian_bucklame rangi: that's quite true, however it's often a marketing thing that's used to make free software look "bad" because everyone knows a big company doing everything is clearly the best model *cough* 20:15 sekjal well, no, it did 20:15 rangi eythian_bucklame: yup 20:15 sekjal mbreeding brought it up as he attempted to cool everyone down 20:15 sekjal I was packing up to leave at that point 20:15 rangi lol 20:15 rangi here let me throw some oil on the fire to calm it down 20:15 wizzyrea whoa sounds contentious 20:16 sekjal didn't mention NZ trademark, just that LL owns "the trademark" (true only for US, but wasn't worth me continuing the fight over, since the whole talk was very US-centric) 20:16 wizzyrea well, and I don't care if you don't allow download because waldo hasn't signed off 20:16 wizzyrea it's not open until you do 20:16 sekjal exactly. "will be released" and "is released" are two entirely different things 20:17 rangi yup 20:17 rangi how many ppl in the room? 20:17 rangi hopefully being librarians they can do some research themselves 20:17 rangi :) 20:17 wizzyrea the whole thing probably has license terms on it "GPL! GPL!" except... it's not open until it's released to the public. So moot. 20:17 sekjal rangi: 50-70, I'd guess 20:17 eythian_bucklame *grumble*grumble*AGPL*grumble* ;) 20:17 wizzyrea hehe 20:18 wizzyrea man that whole thing kinda died didn't it 20:18 wizzyrea we got busy with things like HOURLY LOANS 20:18 * wizzyrea throws confetti 20:18 * wizzyrea rents the disco ball 20:18 rangi ok bug 5549 and 6679 20:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans 20:19 rangi have trivially easy patches to sign off 20:19 eythian_bucklame wizzyrea: don't forget the smoke machine! 20:19 rangi and they will make jenkins happy 20:20 wizzyrea rangi - just run the db dependent tests? 20:20 rangi yep for one of them, and the other run 20:20 rangi TEST_QA=1 perl t/00-testcritic.t 20:20 wizzyrea check. 20:21 wizzyrea hm I must be missing some test data. Is ok, rollingloans.t still works. 20:22 rangi sorry? 20:22 rangi without the patch? 20:22 rangi if it works without the patch, it must be the opposite, you must have the test data :) 20:23 wizzyrea no no, I have other things that are failing 20:23 wizzyrea i suspect I do not have a serial in this data, for example 20:23 rangi perl t/db_dependent/rollingloans.t 20:23 rangi id do 20:23 wizzyrea it works 20:23 wizzyrea :) 20:23 rangi after the patch? 20:23 rangi or before? 20:23 wizzyrea yes, after 20:24 rangi phew :) ok :) 20:24 wizzyrea sorry! didn't mean to alarm you 20:24 rangi not alarmed just confused :) 20:32 rangi this weather is pants 20:34 sekjal looking at around 15% packet loss here... 20:35 sean stupid question, but i'm running out of time. after the package install, where is debian.packages located> 20:37 * rangi goes to investigate bug 7729 20:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , svc API should allow modification of items 20:50 wizzyrea can someone confirm for me - add a child patron on 3.6.4 20:51 wizzyrea mine has failed with a "this user does not exist" 20:51 wizzyrea but i'm trying it again 20:51 rangi works on master tho? 20:51 wizzyrea yes, apparently 20:51 rangi hmmm 20:51 wizzyrea however, I did change the category from a non-guarantor allowed category (staff) to a guarantor allowed category. 20:51 wizzyrea maybe that did it. 20:52 rangi could be 20:52 rangi but a better error message would be nice 20:52 rangi Space_Librarian: going to the cricket? 20:52 Space_Librarian When it's on, I'll be there. 20:53 Space_Librarian Hoping for a decent spell with the weather tomorrow and Sunday. 20:54 wizzyrea nope I can't do it at all... when I try to save it just does "this patron does not exist" and redirects to borrowernumber 0 20:55 wizzyrea ooo 20:55 wizzyrea get this 20:55 wizzyrea I put "NEKLSTESTPATRON11111" in the cardnumber 20:55 wizzyrea and that's when it wouldn't sae. 20:55 wizzyrea save. 20:57 wizzyrea whoa 20:57 wizzyrea testing_protocols++ 20:57 rangi Space_Librarian: yeah i was planning to go down today ... if play starts 20:57 rangi ohh koha user group meeting at the treasury dept .. cool ;) 20:59 Space_Librarian orly? (on both counts) 21:00 rangi yup, you'll see the email on nz-libs .. and yes i have my beige in my bag 21:00 Space_Librarian I'm short staffed, or I would be there for the arvo session (if play starts) 21:03 wizzyrea so one can only put 16 digit cardnumbers in borrower? 21:03 rangi yes 21:04 rangi cardnumber varchar(16) default NULL, 21:04 wizzyrea okies well that explains my problem then 21:04 wizzyrea moving on, nothing to see here 21:04 wizzyrea :) 21:04 Space_Librarian ;) 21:05 * wizzyrea consulted the schema 21:05 wizzyrea I love the schema. 21:06 rangi i should regen that 21:06 rangi 2 secs 21:06 wizzyrea yes, you should :) 21:06 wizzyrea (and thanks) 21:06 rangi http://grooveshark.com/s/Girl+In+The+Fire/z7ZEt?src=5 21:07 rangi listen to that while you wait 21:07 rangi :) 21:07 wizzyrea ah that's nice. 21:08 wizzyrea thumbs up to that one. 21:10 kathryn hi wizzyrea and Space_Librarian : ) 21:11 Space_Librarian hey kathryn 21:11 rangi your call is important to us, please continue to hold 21:11 rangi http://grooveshark.com/s/Maori+Songs+Tarakihi+The+Locust/2woQNK?src=5 21:12 rangi its scping up now 21:14 rangi you are next in the priority queue, one of our trained operators is standing by to take your call 21:14 rangi http://grooveshark.com/s/Creator/2J2Irm?src=5 21:14 Space_Librarian lol. 21:14 Space_Librarian Right. Need my quad shot. bbiab 21:17 wizzyrea lol i love you guys. 21:20 rangi ok its all updated 21:25 data_doctor g'nite! 21:30 wizzyrea wot ty 21:30 wizzyrea woot 21:30 wizzyrea even. 21:32 wizzyrea batch modifying frameworks - something to consider? 21:33 rangi hmmm 21:33 wizzyrea and what i mean is 21:33 rangi could be hella messy 21:33 rangi and what i mean is 21:33 rangi NOT ME 21:33 rangi :) 21:33 wizzyrea take a bunch of bibs and modify them from their current framework to a new framework 21:33 rangi oh 21:33 rangi i thought you meant modifying the frameworks 21:33 wizzyrea no no 21:33 wizzyrea we already have import 21:34 wizzyrea that's how I would do a batch change of frameworks :P 21:34 rangi why not add that as an option to the batch biblio modification 21:34 wizzyrea eff ya 21:34 wizzyrea boyee 21:35 wizzyrea do we have batch bib modification? 21:35 rangi not signed off 21:35 wizzyrea OH 21:35 wizzyrea derp. 21:35 wizzyrea and probably way out of date 21:35 wizzyrea oyyyy 21:35 rangi yeah will need a tidy up 21:36 rangi bug 5725 21:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, laurence.lefaucheur, Failed QA , Batch modifications for Biblios 21:36 rangi october last year 21:36 rangi so TT 21:36 rangi so not as bad 21:36 wizzyrea not SO bad. 21:38 rangi still on the train sekjal ? 21:38 sekjal rangi: yup, 4.5 hrs more to go 21:38 sekjal internet seems a little better now 21:39 rangi thats a long ride 21:39 sekjal got my followup for 5549 suspension in days attached to bug report 21:39 sekjal yeah, 7hrs total 21:39 sekjal DC to Springfield, mA 21:39 rangi sweet i did a follow for the test 21:39 sekjal it's getting put together 21:40 sekjal very encouraging stuff 21:40 wizzyrea also - the sort on the items screen 21:40 wizzyrea edit items* 21:40 wizzyrea it should be by home branch 21:40 wizzyrea not holding branch. 21:40 * wizzyrea grumps about it. 21:41 sekjal I think bug 5668 is almost ready, too 21:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Signed Off , Star ratings in the opac 21:45 rangi yay 21:45 rangi wizzyrea: wasnt someone wanting the opposite for teh detail page? 21:45 rangi sort by holding not home 21:46 rangi 123 :) 21:46 wizzyrea no 21:46 wizzyrea no no 21:46 wizzyrea they always want to sort by home 21:47 rangi oh i dont think they do 21:47 wizzyrea lol 21:47 wizzyrea we just fixed the detail to sort by home 21:47 wizzyrea ^.^ 21:47 rangi yeah and someone already complained 21:47 rangi :) 21:47 sekjal ah, but what about floating collections? 21:47 wizzyrea lol gfdi. 21:47 rangi exacterly! 21:47 wizzyrea who complained? 21:47 wizzyrea just curious 21:47 rangi ppl who use floating collections 21:47 rangi i think katrin 21:47 wizzyrea oh psh. 21:47 rangi raised that 21:47 wizzyrea well they are speshul 21:48 rangi heh 21:48 wizzyrea no seriously 21:48 wizzyrea we'll have to figure something out for that 21:48 wizzyrea for floating 21:48 rangi yup 21:48 rangi and then just random others who are weird 21:48 wizzyrea that's a legitimate complaint. :) 21:48 wizzyrea and now 21:48 wizzyrea new* 21:48 wizzyrea split out floating items into their own table? 21:48 wizzyrea that is sorted by holding? 21:48 sekjal NO! 21:48 sekjal oh god no 21:48 wizzyrea haha 21:49 sekjal no more tables 21:49 sekjal not for that, anyway 21:49 rangi users dont care 21:49 rangi they want to know where the book is 21:49 rangi thats all 21:49 rangi this whole owned by but here but sorted this way 21:50 rangi is just obfusctication 21:50 sekjal I think the issue is access 21:50 rangi just tell me where the goddamned item is and if i can have it 21:50 sekjal the item may be at a different holding branch, but can I get it from there? 21:50 sekjal or does it have to go home first? 21:50 rangi exactly 21:50 rangi its here 21:50 wizzyrea but people's definition of "where it is" is different. 21:51 sekjal "that depends on what 'is' is" 21:51 sean i'm so tired of errors. has anyone seen this? 21:51 sean Could not create file parser context for file "/etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml": Permission denied at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/LibXML/SAX.pm line 80 at /usr/share/perl5/XML/Simple.pm line 362 21:51 rangi but availability should say, needs transger 21:51 rangi fer even 21:51 wizzyrea hmmm 21:51 wizzyrea I'd have to think about that. 21:51 rangi or not available at this branch 21:51 wizzyrea for a not-logged-in user 21:51 rangi or something 21:51 sean i started fresh with a clean server and a package install 21:51 wizzyrea we don't know where they are 21:51 wizzyrea or who they belong to 21:52 sean i get that error when i try to surf to the page 21:52 wizzyrea i'm thinking opac 21:52 sekjal it's not about loans or transfers; it's about fulfillment. what's the quickest way for me to get X? 21:52 rangi yep, its a tricky one, but i dont think another column listing who owns the book helps 21:52 wizzyrea it helps staff. 21:52 rangi yes 21:52 rangi but keep that off the opac 21:52 wizzyrea not necessarily patrons though 21:52 rangi less is more 21:52 rangi theres already too much on the opac 21:52 wizzyrea marc = too much 21:52 rangi tl;dr went to amazon instead 21:53 rangi thats what most opacs are 21:53 wizzyrea haha 21:56 sean should the perl5 directory be more open? i was so close to being done with this install, and now i can't even access the site 21:57 rangi looks you you have messed up permissions again 21:57 sean but on the perl5 directory? does the koha user have to own that too? 21:57 sekjal bug 5668 21:57 wahanui bug 5668 is almost ready, too 21:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Passed QA , Star ratings in the opac 21:57 rangi no 21:58 rangi the error is saying 21:58 rangi Could not create file parser context for file "/etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml" 21:58 rangi its that file 21:58 rangi what user owns that? and the dir its in? 21:58 sean koha owns every from /etc/koha on down 21:59 rangi can you look at the apache config for it 21:59 rangi its should be 21:59 rangi /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha 22:00 rangi what does it have on the line that starts 22:00 rangi AssignUserID 22:00 rangi you installed koha-common right 22:00 rangi and then went 22:00 rangi sudo koha-create --create-db koha 22:00 rangi ? 22:01 sean koha-common, yup 22:01 * sekjal wishes he was in New Zealand right now and not New Jersey 22:01 sean i have two entries for assignuserid, because i have a port 80 and a port 8080 22:01 sean both have koha_koha koha_koha 22:01 rangi thats the problem then 22:01 sean sorry, dashes 22:02 sean i should just edit the apache file, right? 22:02 rangi koha-conf.xml should be owned by that user 22:02 rangi no 22:02 rangi you didnt do something like chown on /etc/koha or anything like that did you? 22:02 rangi because out of the box 22:03 rangi /etc/koha is owned by root 22:03 sean i did do chown 22:03 rangi yeah .. you didnt want to do that 22:03 sean can i fix it with recursive ownership for root? 22:03 rangi try this chown -R koha-koha /etc/koha/sites/koha 22:04 rangi then try hitting the site again 22:04 sean did the koha-create make another user? 22:04 sean koha-koha? 22:04 rangi yes 22:04 sean oh 22:21 Space_Librarian orly? this could be interesting... 22:21 rangi http://www.lianza.org.nz/blog/2012/mar/23/marshall-breeding 22:22 rangi hmm not sure about this 22:22 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7787 22:22 huginn 04Bug 7787: normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , SIP server closes the TCP connection when it receives an invalid message 22:22 rangi Note how the server closes the connection when you just hit enter 3 time or send any garbage. With the patch applied, the server will not close the connection. 22:35 Space_Librarian rangi: I see it's an early lunch with play underway at 12:30-ish? 22:35 rangi here's hoping 22:39 sekjal aaaah, wifi is much better in this car 22:39 Space_Librarian sekjal: that sounds wrong. 22:40 sekjal Space_Librarian: train car 22:41 sean does koha mess with scp in any way? 22:42 rangi no 22:43 sean after loading up, i can no longer scp my db dump to the new server 22:43 rangi it doesnt touch that at all, can you ssh to it? 22:44 rangi if not, you might want to check it has an ssh server running 22:44 rangi (which is what scp uses) 22:44 sean i'm currently ssh'd in 22:44 sean makes no sense 22:44 rangi dont logout 22:44 rangi but try another connection 22:45 sean i can console in, if needed 22:45 sean rackspace 22:45 rangi no idea, but no koha doesnt touch that, .. you sure its not permissions again, try scping it to /tmp 22:47 Space_Librarian re: cricket *throws hands up in despair* 22:47 rangi heh 22:48 sean ssh is running, but i can't scp to the server. it's stupid 22:49 sean i did nothing except load koha and change the root password 22:49 rangi what user are you scping in as? 22:57 mbalmer kohaistas! 22:58 Space_Librarian ola! 22:59 sean got the scp working 22:59 sean now i'm trying to upload a previous db 22:59 sean i figured it would be good to do that as user "koha-koha", but that isn't working 23:00 sean can i restore the db as root? 23:00 rangi sudo koha-mysql koha < db_dump.sql 23:01 sean i'm already logged in as root 23:01 rangi then just koha-mysql koha < yourfile 23:01 sean mysql -u koha-koha -p koha_koha < stuff 23:01 sean isn't working 23:01 rangi no it wont 23:02 sean thanks for your help, btw 23:02 rangi no worries 23:03 mbalmer marseille is crazy, they repair a street and there is endless honking.. 23:04 mbalmer as if the traffic moves faster... 23:06 * Space_Librarian can't wait to see Marseille 23:06 mbalmer when will you be here? it's a nice town. 23:06 Space_Librarian September 23:06 wahanui well, September is a good dead line 23:08 mbalmer I hope they fixed the road until then, this honking is unbearable... 23:12 sean rangi: when i ran koha-mysql it gave this... 23:12 sean warning: failed to load external entity "/etc/koha/sites/koha_koha/koha-conf.xml 23:12 sean several times 23:12 sean ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: N O) 23:12 rangi right 23:13 rangi did you do this 23:13 rangi koha-mysql koha < yourfile 23:13 rangi or 23:13 rangi koha-mysql koha_koha 23:13 rangi because i suspect you did the second and thats wrong 23:13 sean koha_koha, because that's the name of the db 23:14 rangi yes 23:14 sean when i do "koha", it doesn't seem to work 23:14 rangi but thats not what you use 23:14 rangi its the name of the site 23:14 rangi which is koha 23:14 rangi it will sit their quietly 23:14 rangi until it finishes 23:15 rangi when you did koha-create you called it koha 23:15 rangi so you need to do koha-mysql koha 23:15 sean done 23:16 rangi it will take a while depending on how big your database is 23:16 sean not big 23:16 sean now i can't log via the admin site... i'm full of this stuff 23:17 rangi has it finished loading the db? 23:17 rangi login with the login details at the bottom of the koha-conf.xml files 23:17 sean been trying 23:18 sean i'm an idiot. moving on 23:19 mbalmer heh.. what was it? 23:19 sean koha-koha vs koha_koha 23:19 mbalmer ok, shit happens. 23:20 sean i checked etc/passwd... and there is a koha-koha 23:20 sean but the db wants koha_koha 23:20 sean when i run the zebra_rebuild, who should i be logged in as? 23:21 sean i don't know the password for koha-koha, and i'm afraid to change it 23:21 sean koha_koha was in the conf file 23:21 rangi you shouldnt run rebuild_zebra 23:21 rangi not with the packages 23:21 sean oh right. use the system command 23:22 rangi sudo koha-rebuild-zebra <instancename> 23:22 rangi for you 23:22 rangi sudo koha-rebuild-zebra koha 23:22 sean i'm still logged in as root 23:22 sean that's cool? 23:22 rangi yes 23:22 rangi well, being logged in as root isnt ever cool but apart from that yes :-) 23:23 sean i know, i know "_ 23:23 * Space_Librarian laughs 23:23 sean :) 23:23 rangi you might want to pass in -r as a switch 23:23 rangi sorry 23:23 rangi -f 23:23 mbalmer at least being logged in as root gives you some power. nothing wrong with that. 23:23 rangi for full reindex 23:23 Space_Librarian mbalmer: it also means if you do something wrong... 23:23 rangi audit trails, sudo tells you who actually ran the command 23:24 mbalmer you better not, Space_Librarian 23:24 mbalmer power comes with responsability. 23:24 Space_Librarian exactly 23:25 Space_Librarian All power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. 23:25 mbalmer absolut vodka vodkas absolute 23:26 Space_Librarian yes. 23:27 ibeardslee no no no, all will be ok when you vote 'Ian for Dictator' in the next elections 23:27 ibeardslee honest 23:27 ibeardslee you can trust my smile 23:27 ibeardslee :D 23:28 Space_Librarian how are you going to convince us to vote for you? That smile doesn't work. Especially when it involves stealing meringues. 23:28 mbalmer what is realistic for PostgreSQL support in Koha, 3, 6, or 12 months? I'd envision 6 months or 12. 23:30 rangi well it wont be in 3.8 .. so has to wait at least 6 months for the next .0 release 23:30 mbalmer but that sounds like a realistic time frame, though 6 months might even be to short. 23:33 sekjal I think the guy in the cafe car heard 'cheeseburger' when I said 'veggie burger'... oh well 23:33 mbalmer if 3.9 comes after 3.8. maybe having full PG support in 4.0 would be a reasonable goal. 23:34 rangi 3.9 wont come after 23:34 rangi 3.10 will be after 3.8 23:34 rangi we only do even second numbers .. odd ones are the dev branch 23:35 ibeardslee Space_Librarian: It's not stealing them. They weren't getting the attention they deserved, so I looked after them. 23:35 rangi master is current 3.7.x 23:35 mbalmer ok, so maybe 3.12 23:35 Space_Librarian ibeardslee: You see me coming and you steal them. 23:35 ibeardslee it's like taking a poor homeless kitteh and giving it some love 23:36 Space_Librarian you're not doing a good job of convincing us to vote for you... 23:36 ibeardslee Space_Librarian: I moved them closer to the edge of the table for you so your didn't have to reach so far 23:36 ibeardslee .. let's ignore that it was the further side of the table 23:37 ibeardslee the closer side was too cluttered 23:37 sekjal I think we should decide, as a community, what features are going to define Koha 4.0 23:37 Space_Librarian sekjal: agreed 23:37 sekjal I know Solr is one of them, but is it the only one? any others we want to use to define the new number? 23:37 mbalmer when will it be 4.0, I mean after which 3.X release? 23:38 sekjal mbalmer: undefined 23:38 sekjal we'll continue on 3.X until there is a 'major structural change' 23:38 sekjal Solr is one such change 23:38 mbalmer I'd like to see full PostgreSQL support in 4.0 23:38 sekjal but should it be "Solr and something else" 23:39 rangi elasticsearch 23:39 sekjal rangi: what's that? 23:39 rangi solr done right 23:39 rangi http://www.elasticsearch.org/ 23:40 rangi its a schema free, restful indexing engine 23:40 rangi seriously and i mean seriously outperforms solr 23:41 rangi http://www.slideshare.net/peterVG999/access2011-van-garderensuhonospart2 23:41 mbalmer 4.0 is pbly at least a year from now, if not more, so PostgreSQL support in it seem reasonable and doable. 23:42 sekjal I like their 404s 23:43 sekjal oh, so what about 4.0 = ( new search engine && database independence ) 23:44 rangi seems ok to me 23:44 mbalmer sekjal, lets be honest on this one: database independence will probably only mean run on MySQL and PostgreSQL. 23:44 rangi it better not 23:45 rangi because thats a really weak definition of independence 23:45 rangi call it run on 2 databases if thats what the goal is 23:45 mbalmer That is why you should not advertise DB independence. 23:45 rangi no thats why we should try and actually do that 23:46 mbalmer it will not work. 23:46 mbalmer imo. 23:46 mbalmer and it makes not much sense, either, again imo. 23:47 rangi Space_Librarian: 2pm apparently 23:48 Space_Librarian yep. saw that 23:48 Space_Librarian curious to see where they put Flynn. 23:50 rangi yeah 23:50 mbalmer zzz time here. 23:50 mbalmer have a good koha night. 23:51 Space_Librarian ciao 23:51 cait night all :) 23:51 mbalmer night kathrin! 23:52 cait that's not me I fear 23:53 cait no th 23:55 mbalmer ah, those german nitpickers ;)