IRC log for #koha, 2012-03-15

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01:18 mtj by proxy++
01:18 mtj @karma by proxy
01:18 huginn mtj: by proxy has neutral karma.
01:19 mtj meh.. :)
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03:31 druthb o/
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04:30 bag heya druthb
04:32 druthb hi, bag!  BEST BOSS EVAR
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05:39 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7557 follow-up: DBRev number and removed default value <[…]3d2c494af484db0f4> / Bug 7557: Change hardcoded routing list note into a system preference <[…]1b782201ac0a6287f> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6875' <http://git.koha-community.or
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05:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #656 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 7 j 13 h ago)
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05:50 cait morning #koha
05:50 Judit1 good evevning :)
05:53 cait hi Judit1 :)
05:55 Judit1 i am just off from work
05:56 Judit1 and it is nice an dsuny out there
05:56 Judit1 cycling time
05:56 cait :)
05:56 cait have fun
05:56 Judit1 i iwll :)
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06:16 sturmtruppen morning #koha
06:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #656: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/656/
06:26 jenkins_koha * stephane.delaune: Bug 5749 Fix borrower address display in intranet
06:26 jenkins_koha * koha.sekjal: Bug 6875 Followup: De-nesting C4::Items breaks bulkmarcimport
06:26 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7557: Change hardcoded routing list note into a system preference
06:26 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7557 follow-up: DBRev number and removed default value
06:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5749 normal, P4, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , The display of borrower adresses composed of streetnumber, streettype and address is broken
06:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6875 blocker, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Signed Off , de-nesting C4 packages
06:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7557 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Change hardcoded routing list note into a system preference
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07:12 francharb hello
07:12 sturmtruppen hi francharb
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07:32 alex_a1 hello
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07:38 marcelr hi koha
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07:41 reiveune hello
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08:18 clrh hello all
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08:40 kf hi #koha
08:42 asaurat hi kf!
08:48 kf hi asaurat :)
08:54 kf soon!
09:01 asaurat yep :)
09:06 mle !
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09:32 clrh do you know a known hashtag for hackfest? #hackfest12 ?
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09:38 mtj #KohaHackfest12  ?
09:39 clrh mtj: il is long no?
09:39 clrh but maybe the good answer :)
09:39 clrh #khf12? :)
09:39 mtj aaah, i didnt know what the char limit was :)
09:40 clrh it is for twitter for example
09:42 mtj aaah, so what is the chat limit for #hashtags on twitter ?
09:42 mtj s/chat/char/ :)
09:42 clrh there is no char limits for a hashtag but for a message ;) that is 140chars
09:42 clrh I propose #kohahf12
09:43 clrh simple short avec with koha inside ;)
09:43 clrh (thanks hdl)
09:45 mtj or #kohahack12  ?
09:47 mtj the average person does not easily know what 'hf' is
09:48 slef #kohahack12 seems good, can be reused multiple times through the year
09:49 mtj yeah, what slef said :p
09:50 clrh ok mrj slef
09:52 * kf practices
09:52 kf #kohahack12
09:54 slef BBC subtitles used to use # to signify someone singing. Still cracks me up when I read hashtags. I imagine them sung.
09:55 clrh kf: I send my first tweet with #kohahack12 thanks for help :)
09:55 kf clrh: not sure I really helped- only memorizing to use later :)
09:55 kf slef++ :)
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10:48 magnuse kia ora #koha!
10:48 kf kia ora magnuse
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11:00 Amit_Gupta heya magnuse
11:00 Amit_Gupta heya gaetan_B
11:00 magnuse namaste Amit_Gupta
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11:12 kf hi paul_p_android
11:13 paul_p_android hi kf
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12:42 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:48 utente_ hi
12:48 wahanui hello, utente_
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13:38 clrh does someone use "" ?
13:38 clrh (just to now)
13:41 jcamins_away clrh: I don't think it works.
13:42 clrh actually it can't work
13:43 kf I think it's a permission problem
13:43 kf and if you give it the needed permissions, it's a security problem
13:43 kf I remember something like that
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13:54 jwagner clrh, it has been a problem since 2008 -- see Bug 1993
13:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write
14:02 slef handbasket is <reply> where are we going? And what am I doing in this handbasket?
14:02 slef wahanui: handbasket is <reply> where are we going? And what am I doing in this handbasket?
14:03 wahanui slef: bugger all, i dunno
14:03 slef wahanui: ?
14:03 wahanui slef: wish i knew
14:05 kf handbasket?
14:05 wahanui where are we going? And what am I doing in this handbasket?
14:10 clrh jwagner: "needs rewrite"... yep ok
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15:30 kf bye all :)
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15:47 oleonard I'm curious if others have opinions they could share about Bug 7720
15:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7720 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Ambiguity in OPAC Details location.
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15:53 morthland Where would I input a subtitle when cataloging old books?
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15:59 jcamins_away morthland: 245$b for MARC21
16:01 morthland it doesn't show up in OPAC
16:01 morthland I am runnning 3.0
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16:04 jcamins_away morthland: Don't use 3.0. Use one of the maintained versions. I'd recommend 3.6.4.
16:05 jcamins_away morthland: then set OPACXSLTDetailsDisplay to "Use."
16:05 * jcamins_away leaves again.
16:09 sekjal oleonard:  I believe I do
16:13 morthland I am running from the livecd, is there a simple upgrade path?
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16:23 morthland2 How can I upgrade to 3.6
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16:42 sekjal morthland2:  I don't believe there is an easy way to upgrade from the livecd
16:42 sekjal and the most recent version of Koha you can get that way is 3.2.5 (from Mizstik), which is no longer a supported version
16:45 bag bug 7001
16:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips
16:45 bag yay pushed to master :)
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16:50 bag bug 5339
16:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5339 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Parcel closing in acq
16:53 cait hi #koha
16:53 cait yes, that's a nice bug :)
16:53 cait hi bag
16:54 bag hi cait
16:54 bag hmm..  Needs Signoff…  busy today - maybe this weekend :)
16:54 cait that's what I keep saying too :(
16:54 cait but marseille next week will perhaps help with that :)
16:59 reiveune bye
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17:10 mbalmer gude eivening
17:17 mbalmer oh nice, the next IRC meeting is during the hackfest
17:24 sekjal mbalmer: thanks for the reminder!  I'll be in a conference session right about then, but hopefully it'll have WiFi
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17:59 Topic for #koha is now General IRC Meeting 21 March 18.00 UTC
18:08 magnuse is there a clever way to prettyprint/tidy an xslt file?
18:10 sekjal magnuse:  not sure
18:20 magnuse looks like something like "tidy -xml -i -utf8 -w <file>" might be usable
18:24 magnuse oh well
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18:28 libsysguy o/
18:31 libsysguy if I wanted to rollback a patch im testing that made a db change
18:32 libsysguy would I have to have a backup of the db?
18:34 cait depends on the change
18:34 libsysguy bug 5339
18:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5339 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Parcel closing in acq
18:34 cait i do a mysqldump omst of the time
18:35 cait hm that's a bit harder
18:35 libsysguy yeah I thought so
18:35 cait because you have to put the invoice numbe back into it's original place
18:35 libsysguy im just restoring the backup
18:35 libsysguy it just takes forever because its like 5 gig
18:35 libsysguy I want to test that patch but i got it before it was rebased
18:36 libsysguy so it made a mess
18:36 cait ah
18:36 cait yes, it should work better now
18:36 cait it broke some features in other parts
18:36 libsysguy I saw that too
18:36 libsysguy im wanting to add some additional features to it as well
18:37 libsysguy but I'll create an enhancement request and add 5339 as a block
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19:18 alaquerre Hi all, question for you.  Is there a way to extract MARC field 000 ?  I tried : ExtractValue(biblioitems.marcxml,'/​/record/controlfield[@tag="000"]').  The field is always empty.  If I try with 008 it work.
19:19 jcamins alaquerre: there is no such tag.
19:19 jcamins That's the leader.
19:19 cait ^^ what he says
19:19 cait <leader></leader>
19:19 libsysguy cait…I think that invoices patch is out of date again
19:19 libsysguy I've getting conflicts
19:19 cait libsysguy: :(
19:19 cait where does it conflict?
19:19 cait lots of changes recently
19:19 libsysguy koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog​/en/modules/acqui/
19:20 libsysguy and
19:20 libsysguy but that pretty much always conflicts
19:20 libsysguy but this was on a fresh install of master
19:21 alaquerre jcamins - So I need to use extractValue to find the leader instead... ok I'll try. thanks.
19:21 jcamins You're welcome.
19:21 cait hm
19:21 cait you could look at parcel
19:21 cait if it's an easy fix
19:22 libsysguy yeah im looking at it now
19:22 libsysguy it seems confusing
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19:22 libsysguy the conflicted on all the <th> tags
19:22 libsysguy and then there seems to be a row above it
19:22 libsysguy ill play with it and see if I can get it to work
19:22 cait I think next time I can take a look will be after my distance study day
19:22 cait so not before sunday...
19:23 libsysguy well its just a test instance for me
19:23 libsysguy so its nbd if it breaks
19:23 mbalmer guv evning
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19:28 infolibr123 Hello. Is there anyone who might be able to help with a koha newbie on an issue with a new install?
19:29 rangi we wont know until we hear your question ;)
19:29 infolibr123 Sorry :)
19:30 infolibr123 My installation seems to be working fine, except that the opac search returns an error about not being able to find the file opac-search.xml
19:30 rangi hmm that doesnt sound right at all ... what version of koha is it?
19:30 cait infolibr123: which version of koha are you using?
19:31 infolibr123
19:31 jcamins infolibr123: are you sure it's looking for opac-search.*xml*?
19:32 rangi weird, that's an error i havent seen before
19:32 infolibr123 here is the exact error: Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 613
19:33 rangi hmmm
19:33 rangi[…]  <-- thats a 3.6.4 ... so i wonder whats different
19:33 rangi will look at the code now
19:33 rangi ooohhh
19:34 rangi switch off the grouping search results
19:34 jcamins Ah.
19:34 infolibr123 i'm running this on Ubuntu 10.01 LTS if that matters
19:34 rangi in your sysprefs
19:34 jcamins It's paz.
19:34 rangi yeah
19:34 infolibr123 the pazpar2 server...
19:34 rangi yeah there should be a systempreference under searching
19:35 infolibr123 ooking now
19:35 rangi something about group search results
19:35 infolibr123 Dont use PazPar2...
19:35 rangi yeah
19:36 jcamins You know, maybe that should be removed... it doesn't work, does it?
19:36 infolibr123 confirmed. that solved the isse
19:36 rangi it did, it worked quite well, but currently no it should be disabled and fixed
19:36 infolibr123 thanks all
19:36 cait hm
19:36 cait how difficult to fix?
19:36 * rangi had it serching project gutenberg and ashs at the same time
19:36 rangi not that hard
19:37 rangi 2 or 3 days work
19:48 maximep should I sent patches that fix stuff under ModPerl::PerlRunPrefork ?
19:48 jcamins maximep: sure.
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19:57 jcamins maximep: presumably the bugs they address are underlying issues that only come up with mod_perl.
19:57 maximep global variable $stylesheet in XSLTParse4Display
19:58 maximep replaced it to a global hash of parsed xsl files
19:58 rangi fixing those are good practice anyway
19:59 rangi however we implement persistance, mod_perl, plack, dancer .. globals cause problems
19:59 maximep I didn't want to lose the performance of having a cache of the parsed file
19:59 maximep really does a big difference of speed
20:00 rangi yeah, but theres way to do that more nicely, including cleaning up, or caching in memcached
20:00 maximep well the whole point of using mod_perl is to have everything cached. Sure you have to restart apache to make changes, but that's very rare
20:00 rangi yep, but having things cached that you never clear
20:01 rangi is just not a good idea
20:01 jcamins Seems to me that memcached would be preferable.
20:01 rangi ie caching sysprefs and never clearing them
20:01 jcamins More scalable.
20:01 mbalmer looking fwd to some wine in marseille…[…]&
20:01 rangi means someone changes a syspref .. need to restart apache to see the change ... yuck
20:01 maximep yeah it sucks a bit for sysprefs
20:01 maximep yeah
20:01 rangi its easily fixed
20:01 rangi just make the code that changes them, either flush the cache, or inject the new value in
20:02 maximep I agree for sysprefs : memcache is better
20:02 rangi <-- mod_perl and lots of caching
20:02 maximep but there's no way to flush the cache of parsed xsl files
20:02 rangi they are cached and stored in a variable right?
20:02 maximep yes
20:03 rangi undefing that variable would flush it :)
20:03 maximep sure, but when do you flush it
20:03 maximep for syspref you do it when you save
20:03 maximep easy
20:03 rangi yup, and with the new user submitted xslt
20:03 rangi you do the same
20:04 maximep user submitted xslt ?
20:04 jcamins rangi: do we have user-submitted XSLT yet?
20:04 rangi yep, there is a new enhancement on the way
20:04 rangi but until then
20:04 rangi i would flush it when someone changes an xslt syspref  ;)
20:04 rangi turning it on or off
20:05 rangi and also when running the web based upgrade
20:05 rangi be nice to have a clean_cache
20:05 maximep I guess... but a pain for developers
20:05 maximep but something to clean the whole memcached probably exists ?
20:05 cait restart?
20:05 rangi yep, but i care about devs way way way way less than users :)
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20:06 cait I mean for developers
20:06 rangi yeah cache->flush_all
20:06 rangi easy with memcached
20:08 rangi anyway, thats off topic, anything you do to make mod_perl run better will indirectly be good for the rest of koha, so yep do it :)
20:08 maximep ok
20:08 maximep alright
20:08 maximep will mention memcached in the bug
20:08 maximep as a possible enhencement
20:09 maximep hoping we have time to start using memcached to have the performance boost and not have the mod_perl problems
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20:10 Morthland Howdy
20:16 edveal Anyone ever changed the focus of hold-found dialog box from ignore to "Confirm hold and Transfer" so that when you hit enter the hold is confirmed rather than ignored?
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20:44 bag bug 5549
20:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, koha.sekjal, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans
20:47 mbalmer bug 4711
20:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4711 was not found.
20:47 mbalmer <huginn> smells like perfume
21:11 cait @wunder Marseille
21:11 huginn cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (10:00 PM CET on March 15, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
21:11 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:11 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0°C (10:00 PM CET on March 15, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Rising).
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22:33 eythian jcamins_away: tried that, it didn't work (unless you really mean "three quote marks"
22:41 MiltsNZ hey all, does anyone know if it's possible to change the settings for autocompleting the 008 field?
22:42 MiltsNZ I was going to set a default value in the framework, but suddenly realised that would mean the "Date entered on file" would always be incorrect >.<
22:42 jcamins_away eythian: that was literally three quote marks in a row.
22:43 eythian jcamins_away: OK, I'll give that a go. Ta.
22:43 jcamins_away eythian: you're welcome.
22:44 jcamins_away MiltsNZ: 12MMDD will do what you need.
22:44 jcamins_away You just have to update it once a year. :)
22:44 MiltsNZ awesome!
22:44 MiltsNZ cheers, figured there must be some solution
22:44 jcamins_away MiltsNZ: it's not ideal, but it works pretty well.
22:46 jcamins_away eythian: CSV may use the stupidest quote escaping of all time.
22:46 MiltsNZ jcamins_away: well, close enough to idea. Taking the time once a year to update it isn't the end of the world
22:46 MiltsNZ *ideal
22:46 jcamins_away Yeah, that was my philosophy, too.
22:47 eythian jcamins_away: as far as I can tell, there is no reliable standard.
22:47 jcamins_away eythian: yeah, I can't find one, either.
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23:08 MiltsNZ jcamins_away: any reason you don't use YYMMDD? I've put it in and it seems to fill correctly. Could be the system hasn't registered my change to the framework yet though...
23:08 jcamins_away MiltsNZ: YY didn't work for me. It came out literally YY.
23:09 eythian jcamins_away: I hope you filed a bug :D
23:10 jcamins_away eythian: well, it isn't supposed to work.
23:10 jcamins_away (not that it wouldn't be nice if it did, of course)
23:10 MiltsNZ jcamins_away: I'll give it a go again on Monday and see if it's broken by then
23:11 eythian jcamins_away: I hope you filed an enhancement!
23:11 jcamins_away eythian: I did not.
23:11 eythian tsk tsk
23:30 cait night #koha
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23:42 MiltsNZ haha you were dead right jcamins_away, once the changes came through it did just start putting 'YY" instead of the year.
23:59 MiltsNZ ok, thx for the help, time to enjoy the sun

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