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cait-m |
hi koha |
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Space_Librarian |
hey cait-m |
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chris_n |
wizzyrea about? |
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eythian_bucklame |
cait-m: go to bed! |
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chris_n |
cait-m still up? |
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chris_n |
@seen rangi |
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huginn |
chris_n: rangi was last seen in #koha 4 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <rangi> bbl |
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eythian_bucklame |
a lot later... |
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chris_n |
really |
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* chris_n |
was thinking it must be getting late by now :) |
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chris_n |
@later tell wizzyrea if there are fields advertised which do not print on labels in the current head, I'd be obliged if you'd open a bug for it; thanks |
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huginn |
chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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eternalsword |
rework is done. won't be making that mistake again. |
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chris_n |
@later tell wizzyrea and if you have time to sign off on bug 7615, I'd send along lots of chocolate |
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huginn |
chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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eternalsword |
Fellowship One has blessed my use of their API. I just need to make a few minor adjustments and it should be ready for inclusion in koha. |
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* chris_n |
waves goodnight |
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eternalsword |
my current work is up at https://github.com/eternalsword/koha in the f1 branch |
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Amit_Gupta |
heya bag |
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bag |
heya Amit_Gupta |
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druthb |
heckuva storm in Lawrence, KS right now. 100 kph winds, amazingly heavy rain, and 2.5 cm hailstones reported just outside the city. |
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druthb |
@wunder 66046 |
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huginn |
druthb: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 13.0°C (10:00 PM CST on February 28, 2012). Conditions: Heavy Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1000.9 hPa (Rising). Tornado Watch 41 in effect until 1 am CST Wednesday... |
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alex_a |
bonjour koha |
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Amit_Gupta |
heya alex_a |
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alex_a |
heya Amit_Gupta |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
hola, reiveune |
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magnuse |
kia ora #koha |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Falling). |
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magnuse |
yay |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 5.0°C (8:30 AM CET on February 29, 2012). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
hm, rather cool? |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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wahanui |
niihau, gaetan_B |
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magnuse |
bonjour gaetan_B and julian_m |
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julian_m |
hi magnuse :) |
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gaetan_B |
ohayo wahanui and magnuse ;) |
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Amit_Gupta |
heya gaetan_B |
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gaetan_B |
hi Amit_Gupta :) |
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clrh_ |
hello all |
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Amit_Gupta |
heya clrh_ |
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Amit_Gupta |
@bug 6440 |
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huginn |
Amit_Gupta: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Patch doesn't apply , Koha's OAI-PMH does not support sets |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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kivilahtio |
hi cait! |
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cait |
hi :) |
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jwagner |
hi cait |
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cait |
on a train, hope the connection will work |
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jcamins_away |
How did your presentation go? :) |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
I think it was ok |
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jcamins_away |
Yay! |
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jcamins_away |
cait++ |
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jcamins_away |
schuster++ |
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kivilahtio |
does Koha support credit card payments? |
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kivilahtio |
from OPAC |
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jcamins_away |
kivilahtio: no. |
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kivilahtio |
jcamins_away: any plans? |
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jcamins_away |
kivilahtio: you can use SIP for that, though. |
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jcamins_away |
Not to my knowledge. |
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kivilahtio |
hmm |
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kivilahtio |
SIP |
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jcamins_away |
That seems like a whole kettle of fish that we don't want to deal with. |
| 12:37 |
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kivilahtio |
yeah, its a big issue |
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cait |
kivilahtio: I think you can use sip to integrate third party applications to koha |
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kivilahtio |
I'll make a proposal about that to our leaders, about cutting the Gordian knot |
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cait |
to do that |
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cait |
you can use sip for payment machines? (how do you call that in english?) |
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kivilahtio |
how about epayments? |
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cait |
it's only a recent development though |
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cait |
so not sure how much it can do |
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cait |
same thing, koha can only do manual payments |
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kivilahtio |
like paypal or some bank services? |
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cait |
or you can use sip |
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kivilahtio |
ok |
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kivilahtio |
but it is not such a biggie to implement |
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kivilahtio |
we already have open source web stores |
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kivilahtio |
we have a free ePayment and personal verification service here in Finalnd |
| 12:40 |
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kivilahtio |
well, I'll note that |
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kivilahtio |
thanks again |
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marcelr |
hi koha |
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jcamins_away |
marcelr: does 7310 need a new sign off? |
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jcamins_away |
No it doesn't. |
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jcamins_away |
Thanks. |
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marcelr |
hi jcamins: i do not hope so |
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marcelr |
changed only fk requirements |
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cait |
hi marcelr :) |
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cait |
bug 7310 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) |
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marcelr |
hi cait |
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marcelr |
paul_p not around today? |
| 12:50 |
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jcamins_away |
Is everyone suitably excited by the fact that schuster signed off on bug 7284? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements |
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jcamins_away |
But forgot to change the status. |
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* jcamins_away |
will do that for him. |
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marcelr |
was that the patch with huge test plan ;) |
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jcamins_away |
Yup. |
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jcamins_away |
wizzyrea requested a test plan. |
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jcamins_away |
I delivered. |
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* magnuse |
cheers and applauds for bug 7284 |
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marcelr |
good |
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marcelr |
did you also provide a qa plan :-) |
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cait |
schuster++ |
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magnuse |
and a "push to master" plan? |
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cait |
I still have the data but not tested :( |
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magnuse |
schuster++ |
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marcelr |
jcamins++ schuster++ |
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jcamins_away |
marcelr: "1. Look at code. 2. Mark passed QA" |
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marcelr |
3. Push |
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jcamins_away |
Right. |
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magnuse |
good plan! |
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cait |
hi magnuse :) |
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magnuse |
guten tag cait |
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jcamins_away |
Okay, time to get ready to go. |
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jcamins_away |
Have a good day, #koha. |
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marcelr |
same |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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marcelr |
hi oleonard |
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marcelr |
oleonard: the pref in 3516 was no problem for me (marked it passed qa at the time..) |
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oleonard |
Thanks marcelr |
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cait |
hi oleonard |
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oleonard |
Hi cait, you're cait early today :) |
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cait |
oleonard: travelling back from munich where I had a presentation |
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cait |
lots of travelling in march :) |
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magnuse |
is there a way to hide whole records from the opac, not just items? (i don't think there is, but i might be missing something) |
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cait |
I think if oyu hide the items |
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cait |
with the new pref |
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cait |
it should hide the record too - with the last item - but miht be wrong about that |
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magnuse |
ah, i'll check! |
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magnuse |
cait: doesn't seem to work that way - this record has one item that is hidden with OpacHiddenItems: http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/[…]?biblionumber=344 |
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cait |
hmm |
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cait |
Ithought it would because there was a lot of discussion about the numbering in search results having holes for the records that are not shown |
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cait |
there was a recent change because it also hid serials and ebooks and things... perhaps this is a side effect ? |
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magnuse |
dunno |
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magnuse |
i'm testing on master from last night, at least |
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magnuse |
cait: looks like bug 6488 was hiding records without items, but that was fixed |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6488 critical, P2, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , opachiddenitems not working in master |
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cait |
yes, that's the one I was thinking about |
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cait |
so there is logic to hide the record too |
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cait |
now the question is, why it doesn't work for youu |
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magnuse |
no the other way around, as i understand it |
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magnuse |
hiding records without items was a bug and that got fixed |
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magnuse |
because it was hiding e-books and periodicals |
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cait |
yes |
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cait |
but I still think it should |
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cait |
if you have a record with items |
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cait |
that are hidden |
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cait |
hide the record |
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jcamins_away |
Augh! |
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jcamins_away |
It's so expensive! |
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cait |
:( |
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cait |
the contractor? |
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jcamins_away |
Yeah. |
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jcamins_away |
Actually, it seems like a great deal. |
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jcamins_away |
But it's a lot of money. |
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Shane-S |
morning :) |
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jcamins_away |
He looked at the fuse box and said "this is going to be a problem... we need to punch holes in all your walls to replace the wiring. |
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cait |
oh ouch |
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oleonard |
jcamins_away: Second opinion? New wiring is all well and good, but contractors have a bad habit of automatically rejecting other people's work. |
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jcamins_away |
oleonard: yeah, the next guy is coming in four hours. |
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jcamins_away |
Unfortunately, I opened up the fuse box yesterday and said "oh ****, they're going to have to punch holes in all our walls and replace the wiring." |
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jcamins_away |
I asked druthb about it, and she agreed. |
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cait |
old? |
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cait |
oh cool |
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cait |
I can download firefox for my phone! |
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jcamins_away |
cait: very. |
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jcamins_away |
cait: it's the same age as my grandparents! |
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jcamins_away |
Not old for people, but old for wiring. |
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cait |
and opera :) |
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magnuse |
probably past the retirement age |
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jcamins_away |
magnuse: for people, too! |
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magnuse |
yup :-) |
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Shane-S |
who does the documentation management? |
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cait |
Shane-S: do you mean documentation? |
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cait |
wahanui |
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wahanui |
yes, cait? |
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cait |
? |
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cait |
documentation? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
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Shane-S |
I see chris_n modified the files to enable branches, I will have to apply those changes, but it should allow more then just branchname |
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oleonard |
Shane-S: Check the "About Koha" page, "Koha Team" tab, "Koha Release Team" section |
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Shane-S |
it should allow all the fields in the branches table "I think". I have to test it, so I was curious how I can submit that, would that be a "bug" submission as well |
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oleonard |
nengard is documentation manager |
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cait |
Shane-S: if you want to submit code - add a bug - then add your patch to it :) |
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Shane-S |
I just want to submit further documentation on the fields usable by the patch chris_n release to bug 7615 if I determine more work |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Give option to use description for homebranch/holding branch in label creator instead of the branchcode |
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Shane-S |
I mean I wanted that change, only fair I help submit the new fields :) |
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* jcamins_away |
heads off to 66th and Lex. |
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magnuse |
Shane-S: if you want to change the documentation you can clone http://git.koha-community.org/[…].git;a=summaryand submit patches to the documentation mailing list |
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magnuse |
Shane-S: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]istinfo/koha-docs |
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oleonard |
Why can't logged-in users search using tags they've added but which are not approved? |
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* oleonard |
whines |
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Shane-S |
magnuse: ty, still learning git, so can I just copy it manually then email the change in or is it patched via git as well? |
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magnuse |
oops https://lists.koha-community.org/ (with https, not http) is giving some nasty security warnings |
| 14:52 |
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magnuse |
Shane-S: i think git is preferred, but ask nengard when she shows up |
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Shane-S |
kk ty |
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chris_n |
Shane-S: all fields from the branches table should be available, although probably not all are useful |
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chris_n |
that entire bit of code needs to be cleaned up |
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oleonard |
We'll continue to peer-pressure you about git Shane-S ;) |
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chris_n |
that select really returns way too much data |
| 14:53 |
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Shane-S |
Have it at home now...just have to learn it :D |
| 14:53 |
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Shane-S |
chris_n: yeah, I can trim the fat of the branches down easily. I can look into trimming it all if you like. |
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Shane-S |
It was just quicker to fetch it all :P |
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chris_n |
well, the problem is larger than that sadly |
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Shane-S |
the script is bloated? |
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chris_n |
there were some differences of opinion as to what should be available or what needed to be available |
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chris_n |
so to please all of the people all of the time, that's how it ended up |
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Shane-S |
I don't see how the entire description is needed for a "labels" module |
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chris_n |
restricting it w/o lots of commenting by the community might result in a few not able to print what they are used to printing |
| 14:55 |
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Shane-S |
QR code MAYBE :P |
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* chris_n |
heads out |
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Shane-S |
hmm...*ponders radio/checkboxes and a "case" statement |
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mveron |
Good afternoon #koha |
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marcelr |
oleonard: i am just thinking that my git clone had some resets and abort too many or so; probably must start a fresh one.. |
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marcelr |
back |
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marcelr |
oleonard? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler |
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oleonard |
Yes |
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marcelr |
it must be vim instead of git |
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marcelr |
replacing tabs by spaces |
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marcelr |
changed my rc file today |
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marcelr |
even in a fresh clone same problems.. |
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kyleh |
have there been any problems with using Date::Calc::Day_of_Week? It's telling me today is an invalid date! |
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oleonard |
I'll say it is. |
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* oleonard |
goes home |
| 15:51 |
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kyleh |
it's also telling me that the 27th is also invalid. |
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wizzyrea |
chris_n: testing your patch now |
| 15:52 |
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wizzyrea |
... and that was before I read your @later :) |
| 15:54 |
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wizzyrea |
chris_n++ that works a treat :) |
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magnuse |
wizzyrea: if and when you have the time, could you take a look at the "bugs to be signed off" link on http://koha-community.org/ - and maybe change the kohaCon11-link to one for KohaCon12? |
| 15:54 |
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magnuse |
kthxbai |
| 15:54 |
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wizzyrea |
yep |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
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magnus_afk |
yay! |
| 15:55 |
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magnus_afk |
2 bugs that need sign off is a little bit too good to be true... |
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* magnus_afk |
takes the dogs for a walk |
| 15:55 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 15:56 |
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wizzyrea |
chris_n: labels.t gives some funky messages in the tests - but passes |
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pastebot |
"wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "messages from tests for chris_n" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/283 |
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pastebot |
"wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "messages from tests for chris_n" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/284 |
| 15:57 |
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wizzyrea |
(may be unrelated, idk. will check master too.) |
| 15:58 |
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nengard |
question about master - is anyone else noticign that the help files aren't loading? is it just my set up? or a bug? |
| 15:58 |
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nengard |
or i should say the help file on the main page |
| 15:58 |
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nengard |
other pages seem to work |
| 15:59 |
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oleonard |
nengard: It may just be mentioned in another bug, but it is a known issue |
| 15:59 |
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nengard |
okey dokey, will search |
| 15:59 |
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nengard |
another question - why were the table sorters removed on the patron search? and when? |
| 15:59 |
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oleonard |
If you're at http://my-koha-site.com it doesn't work. If you're at http://my-koha-site.com/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl it does work |
| 16:00 |
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oleonard |
nengard: I assume they were removed around the time the results got split into pages |
| 16:00 |
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oleonard |
...since sorting one page of many pages of results doesn't make much sense. |
| 16:01 |
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nengard |
hmmm |
| 16:01 |
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nengard |
got people complaining that it disappeared after an upgrade |
| 16:01 |
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wizzyrea |
part of the unified patron search routine? |
| 16:01 |
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wizzyrea |
possibly? |
| 16:01 |
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wizzyrea |
I know it was a speed suck. |
| 16:27 |
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Shane-S |
nengard: how best should I submit documentation changes based on a patch. I want to add more detail to the tools section 2.3.1 on the fields available. However, I can't use git (yet..working on it @ home) |
| 16:28 |
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nengard |
if you can't use git them email me the text of your changes and i'll put it in |
| 16:28 |
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Shane-S |
okay, using the http://lists.koha-community.or[…]istinfo/koha-docs page emails? |
| 16:29 |
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wizzyrea |
Shane-S: I just signed off on the patch for your bug :) |
| 16:29 |
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Shane-S |
awesome thanks :P (not sure what that means though) |
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wizzyrea |
it means it's only got QA and RM approval before your bug will be fixed :) |
| 16:36 |
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wizzyrea |
(in master) |
| 16:37 |
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wizzyrea |
does someone have the link for kohacon12? |
| 16:37 |
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wizzyrea |
slef? |
| 16:37 |
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wahanui |
slef is an encyclopedia of FOSS knowledge |
| 16:37 |
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wizzyrea |
^ true |
| 16:37 |
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wizzyrea |
kohacon12? |
| 16:37 |
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wahanui |
kohacon12 is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ategory:KohaCon12 or Conference Tue 5 June 2012 to Thu 7th, Hackfest Sat 9th June-Mon 11th June |
| 16:37 |
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wizzyrea |
AHA |
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eternalsword |
in the templating system, with the [% IF %] blocks, is it possible to check if a variable, whose value is grabbed from the database, is NULL |
| 17:03 |
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wizzyrea |
template toolkit? |
| 17:03 |
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wahanui |
template toolkit is apt-get install libtemplate-perl or http://tt2.org/ |
| 17:04 |
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wizzyrea |
this may help you: http://tt2.org/docs/manual/Variables.html |
| 17:05 |
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eternalsword |
thanks |
| 17:05 |
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slef |
wahanui++ |
| 17:06 |
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Shane-S |
nengard: email you with the change, hopefully I I covered my bases. |
| 17:20 |
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melia |
has anyone noticed a problem with RenewalBasePreference set to "the old date of the checkout"? one library is saying that if they renew a book today that isn't due until 5 days from today, the new due date is 2 wks from today instead of 2 wks from the actual due date... |
| 17:33 |
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wizzyrea |
melia - i haven't heard that |
| 17:34 |
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wizzyrea |
but can test it |
| 17:35 |
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gaetan_B |
bye #koha! |
| 17:35 |
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melia |
I'm only hearing it from one library. am wondering if maybe some other settings could be affecting it… |
| 17:35 |
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wizzyrea |
could be |
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oleonard |
Seems to be working for me in master melia |
| 17:40 |
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fabio_t |
Hi #koha! |
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melia |
ok thanks for testing oleonard :) |
| 17:41 |
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* oleonard |
needs to stop finding things he doesn't like about the way tags work |
| 17:41 |
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* jcamins_away |
needs to stop finding things he wants done to his new apartment. |
| 17:42 |
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oleonard |
I'm sure I could get lots of things I want if I threw money at the problem jcamins_away |
| 17:43 |
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* wizzyrea |
read that as "throw money at the problem jcamins" |
| 17:43 |
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wizzyrea |
he's not a problem |
| 17:44 |
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wizzyrea |
paul_p, see 5586 in regard to your SIP issue |
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oleonard |
I'm sure he wouldn't mind if we threw money at him wizzyrea |
| 17:45 |
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jcamins_away |
wizzyrea: you canstill throw money at me. I wouldn't mind. |
| 17:45 |
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jcamins_away |
It would go towards cat6 cabling. |
| 17:48 |
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kivilahtio |
what is accountlines.accountno used for? |
| 17:48 |
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wizzyrea |
schema? |
| 17:48 |
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wahanui |
i heard schema was tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org |
| 17:49 |
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wizzyrea |
boo it doesn't say |
| 17:49 |
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wizzyrea |
but afaik, the accountno is the number of the fine for that patron |
| 17:49 |
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wizzyrea |
so the very first fine a patron ever gets, will be 1 |
| 17:50 |
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wizzyrea |
the next, 2 |
| 17:50 |
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wizzyrea |
and so on |
| 17:50 |
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kivilahtio |
what I wanted to find out is can we find out from what library does the fine originate from |
| 17:50 |
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kivilahtio |
@wizzyrea: hey thats true, |
| 17:50 |
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huginn |
kivilahtio: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 17:50 |
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wizzyrea |
well... you can link the borrowernumber with issues |
| 17:51 |
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wizzyrea |
or old issues, if the book has been returned |
| 17:52 |
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wizzyrea |
and look at issues.issuingbranch |
| 17:52 |
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wizzyrea |
or issues.branchcode |
| 17:52 |
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kivilahtio |
@wizzyrea:yeah it seems legit |
| 17:52 |
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huginn |
kivilahtio: I suck |
| 17:52 |
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kivilahtio |
huginn: why is that? |
| 17:52 |
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huginn |
kivilahtio: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 17:52 |
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wizzyrea |
which would tell you where the item was checked out from |
| 17:52 |
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wizzyrea |
he's a bot :) |
| 17:52 |
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wizzyrea |
he does that when you say @anything |
| 17:52 |
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wizzyrea |
at the beginning of a line |
| 17:53 |
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kivilahtio |
@wizzyrea: so you have strategically added @ to the start of your name? |
| 17:53 |
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huginn |
kivilahtio: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 17:53 |
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kivilahtio |
how cool is that :D |
| 17:53 |
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wizzyrea |
lol naw |
| 17:53 |
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wizzyrea |
@something |
| 17:53 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 17:54 |
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wizzyrea |
see :) |
| 17:54 |
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kivilahtio |
I have a issues-table full of returndates and lastrenewdates of NULL |
| 17:54 |
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wizzyrea |
@quote get random |
| 17:54 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Error: 'random' is not a valid id. |
| 17:54 |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 17:54 |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
| 17:54 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #162: "oleonard: I think DRM is inherently incompatible with any lending system which will be friendly to patrons." (added by wizzyrea at 04:03 PM, October 28, 2011) |
| 17:54 |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 17:54 |
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wizzyrea |
right |
| 17:54 |
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wizzyrea |
issues never have a returndate |
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wizzyrea |
because once they do |
| 17:54 |
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wizzyrea |
they are copied to old_issues |
| 17:54 |
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kivilahtio |
ahaa! |
| 17:55 |
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wizzyrea |
s/copied/moved |
| 17:55 |
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wizzyrea |
they *would* have a renewaldate |
| 17:55 |
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wizzyrea |
if there were renewals |
| 17:56 |
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wizzyrea |
but, of course many items are never renewed. |
| 17:56 |
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kivilahtio |
so backtracking accountlines.borrowernumber & itemnumber to issues and oldissues we can determine from which library this transaction emits |
| 17:56 |
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wizzyrea |
exactly. |
| 17:57 |
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wizzyrea |
something like select * from old_issues join accountlines using(borrowernumber) where borrowernumber = <the number>; |
| 17:58 |
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kivilahtio |
good, I can mark good scores for the requirement "Can we see from the fines display, from which library the fines originate from" to existing functionality supports addon :) |
| 17:59 |
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kivilahtio |
How about custom created fines? |
| 17:59 |
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kivilahtio |
@wizzyrea: fines that dont have a item attached? |
| 17:59 |
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huginn |
kivilahtio: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 17:59 |
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wizzyrea |
hmm |
| 17:59 |
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wizzyrea |
you want to know who added that? |
| 18:00 |
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wizzyrea |
let me think |
| 18:00 |
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kivilahtio |
well it doesnt matter |
| 18:00 |
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* wizzyrea |
tests something |
| 18:00 |
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kivilahtio |
we can backtrack according to time and patron |
| 18:00 |
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wizzyrea |
now I want to know ;) |
| 18:01 |
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wizzyrea |
because there is a "manager_id" in there |
| 18:01 |
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wizzyrea |
and i wonder if it means anything |
| 18:01 |
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kivilahtio |
but issues has no manager_id |
| 18:01 |
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wizzyrea |
no |
| 18:01 |
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wizzyrea |
but accountlines does |
| 18:01 |
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kivilahtio |
manager_id is the staff patron who created the fine |
| 18:01 |
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kivilahtio |
or participated in the payment |
| 18:01 |
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wizzyrea |
right - and that would lead you to which library added it |
| 18:02 |
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wizzyrea |
or, at least it would in my system |
| 18:02 |
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kivilahtio |
so true |
| 18:02 |
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wizzyrea |
because every library has their own user. |
| 18:02 |
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wizzyrea |
several, even. |
| 18:02 |
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kivilahtio |
unless the staff was at some other library |
| 18:02 |
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wizzyrea |
nah, the id's correspond to patrons |
| 18:02 |
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wizzyrea |
you would always be able to tell who did it |
| 18:02 |
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kivilahtio |
and patrons have fixed homebranches |
| 18:02 |
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kivilahtio |
yeah who, but from where? |
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wizzyrea |
well, unless a staff member logged in as themself with a set branch in a different library |
| 18:03 |
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kivilahtio |
yeah but thats so rare |
| 18:03 |
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wizzyrea |
you do have to assume that the staff member was at the library they were signed in at |
| 18:03 |
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kivilahtio |
and its user fault |
| 18:03 |
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wizzyrea |
exactly |
| 18:03 |
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kivilahtio |
you cant blame a system for that |
| 18:03 |
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wizzyrea |
nope |
| 18:03 |
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cait |
hi :) |
| 18:03 |
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wizzyrea |
hi cait :) |
| 18:03 |
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kivilahtio |
hi |
| 18:03 |
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wahanui |
salut, kivilahtio |
| 18:03 |
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wizzyrea |
we missed you yesterday |
| 18:03 |
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wizzyrea |
how did it go? |
| 18:03 |
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kivilahtio |
wahanui |
| 18:03 |
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wahanui |
yes, kivilahtio? |
| 18:04 |
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wizzyrea |
(also a bot) |
| 18:04 |
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kivilahtio |
wahanui: what? |
| 18:04 |
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wahanui |
i haven't a clue, kivilahtio |
| 18:04 |
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wizzyrea |
(friendly sort though) |
| 18:04 |
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kivilahtio |
:D |
| 18:04 |
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kivilahtio |
luv your bots |
| 18:04 |
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wizzyrea |
they are fun :) |
| 18:04 |
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kivilahtio |
totally confuse me |
| 18:04 |
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wizzyrea |
true. |
| 18:04 |
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kivilahtio |
damn its 20:00 here already |
| 18:05 |
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kivilahtio |
should try to get to work earlier than 12:00 |
| 18:05 |
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wizzyrea |
where is "here?" |
| 18:05 |
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kivilahtio |
but its nice and peacefull |
| 18:05 |
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kivilahtio |
Finland |
| 18:05 |
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wizzyrea |
ooooo |
| 18:05 |
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kivilahtio |
and @wizzyrea? where do thee hail from? |
| 18:05 |
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wizzyrea |
Kansas, USA |
| 18:05 |
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wizzyrea |
flyover country ;) |
| 18:05 |
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kivilahtio |
ok |
| 18:06 |
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kivilahtio |
Koha is bustling in the states |
| 18:06 |
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wizzyrea |
as in "the part most everyone only sees from the air" |
| 18:06 |
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kivilahtio |
getting solid market share |
| 18:06 |
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wizzyrea |
it's doing alright here :) |
| 18:06 |
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kivilahtio |
I wonder how do you deal with consortia of say 200 libraries? |
| 18:06 |
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wizzyrea |
with lots of hardware and a few staff, I'd guess. |
| 18:07 |
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* wizzyrea |
has 40 in her consortium |
| 18:07 |
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kivilahtio |
but Koha doesn't handicap it in anyway? |
| 18:07 |
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wizzyrea |
not the way we use it, no. |
| 18:07 |
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kivilahtio |
we have a dire need for departments inside libraries |
| 18:07 |
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kivilahtio |
and if we go Koha we definetely need to add that functionality |
| 18:07 |
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wizzyrea |
hm, explain |
| 18:07 |
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kivilahtio |
and atm we have around 20 branches |
| 18:07 |
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wizzyrea |
define "departments inside libraries" |
| 18:08 |
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kivilahtio |
like musics department, childrens department |
| 18:08 |
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wizzyrea |
the first question? |
| 18:08 |
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wahanui |
the first question is "What are you trying to do?" |
| 18:08 |
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kivilahtio |
serials deparmtnet |
| 18:08 |
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kivilahtio |
every library has its own departments, not all have the same. And every department needs to be able to define different loan rules |
| 18:08 |
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wizzyrea |
rather, what's the goal and how does Koha fall short |
| 18:08 |
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kivilahtio |
have its own funds |
| 18:08 |
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wizzyrea |
oh sure you can do that I think |
| 18:08 |
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kivilahtio |
nope |
| 18:09 |
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kivilahtio |
well atm we havea a library for every department and can do searching using search groups |
| 18:09 |
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kivilahtio |
but it makes the search display extremely cluttered |
| 18:09 |
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kivilahtio |
we have 20 libraries, but those extra 150 departments really clutter the OPAC search |
| 18:10 |
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kivilahtio |
search groups dont fix that |
| 18:10 |
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kivilahtio |
departments need to have their own open periods |
| 18:10 |
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wizzyrea |
you can't do this with item types? |
| 18:10 |
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kivilahtio |
so basically every department is a library of its own, with its own rulesets regardin even how fines are formed |
| 18:11 |
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kivilahtio |
but I feel it's not such a big issues to extend Koha to support departments |
| 18:11 |
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wizzyrea |
so have Serials - subtype |
| 18:11 |
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wizzyrea |
childrens - subtype1 |
| 18:11 |
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wizzyrea |
childrens - subtype2 |
| 18:11 |
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wizzyrea |
set fines/rules based on those itypes |
| 18:11 |
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wizzyrea |
per library |
| 18:11 |
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wizzyrea |
sure you end up with a zillion itypes |
| 18:11 |
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wizzyrea |
but it might be better than what you're doing now |
| 18:11 |
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kivilahtio |
what about finding with itemtypes? |
| 18:12 |
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kivilahtio |
searching* |
| 18:12 |
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kivilahtio |
you havea agazillion to choose from |
| 18:12 |
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kivilahtio |
patrons wont like it, no one will |
| 18:12 |
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wizzyrea |
use collection codes for searching? |
| 18:12 |
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wizzyrea |
and only have a few of those? |
| 18:12 |
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kivilahtio |
or shelf locations? |
| 18:12 |
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wizzyrea |
sure or that |
| 18:12 |
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wizzyrea |
i mean |
| 18:13 |
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wizzyrea |
you can only base rules on itypes |
| 18:13 |
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wizzyrea |
well and patron categories |
| 18:13 |
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wizzyrea |
but I think you're more concerned with *things* and not *people* |
| 18:13 |
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kivilahtio |
and you think adding departments is such a huge issues? |
| 18:13 |
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wizzyrea |
@quote get 123 |
| 18:13 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 18:13 |
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kivilahtio |
what i gather it might take 2 months |
| 18:13 |
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wizzyrea |
I think it might be one of these, and that is *ok* |
| 18:14 |
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kivilahtio |
add a parent column to branches |
| 18:14 |
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kivilahtio |
to define hierarchial relationship |
| 18:14 |
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wizzyrea |
but it is always worth thinking about how to make koha fit in your mad scheme the way it is now |
| 18:14 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 18:14 |
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kivilahtio |
well we would like to have it in master |
| 18:14 |
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kivilahtio |
you know to work with you guys to find the common ground |
| 18:15 |
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wizzyrea |
sure sure |
| 18:15 |
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kivilahtio |
scratch your back, and get scratched |
| 18:15 |
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kivilahtio |
and what I gather from talks around here, some libraries will definetely be interested |
| 18:15 |
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kivilahtio |
and that functionality streamlines Koha use, and gets rid of playing around with gazillion item types |
| 18:16 |
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wizzyrea |
i'm not disagreeing with you ^.^ |
| 18:16 |
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kivilahtio |
anyway |
| 18:16 |
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wizzyrea |
just thinking about how it could be done *now* and without a bunch of dev work. |
| 18:16 |
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wizzyrea |
if you're willing to do the work - more power to ya :) |
| 18:16 |
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kivilahtio |
dev work wont be an issues if we go OS ILS |
| 18:17 |
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kivilahtio |
we are planning to havea team of 3-4 persons for 1 year to do the migration, setup, extra developments |
| 18:17 |
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kivilahtio |
to have things running more our way |
| 18:17 |
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wizzyrea |
yep - submit early, submit often |
| 18:17 |
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kivilahtio |
but it will be important for us to stick to master branch |
| 18:17 |
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wizzyrea |
steps are bigger than big chunks in our world |
| 18:17 |
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kivilahtio |
so we wont get version locked |
| 18:17 |
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wizzyrea |
big chunks often get bogged down in testing. |
| 18:17 |
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wizzyrea |
little chunks often sail right through |
| 18:18 |
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kivilahtio |
ok |
| 18:18 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 18:18 |
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kivilahtio |
thats some solid advice |
| 18:18 |
|
* wizzyrea |
has seen it again and again |
| 18:19 |
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wizzyrea |
version control using git |
| 18:19 |
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wahanui |
version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 18:19 |
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wizzyrea |
you are familiar with this eh |
| 18:19 |
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wizzyrea |
and.... |
| 18:19 |
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wizzyrea |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gn_off_on_patches |
| 18:19 |
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wizzyrea |
and http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]n_a_pushed_branch |
| 18:20 |
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wizzyrea |
and http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/SubmitingAPatch |
| 18:20 |
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fabio_t |
Bye! |
| 18:20 |
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wizzyrea |
bye :) |
| 18:23 |
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mveron |
wizzyrea: I hope my little chunk in Bug 7621 can sail through :-) |
| 18:23 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories |
| 18:23 |
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wizzyrea |
me too, that looks really helpful |
| 18:24 |
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wizzyrea |
what do you think about adding it to reserves as well? |
| 18:24 |
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mveron |
I just commented it. Seems that it would lad to som architectural changes. |
| 18:24 |
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* wizzyrea |
imagines a scenario where a kid places a hold on a R rated movie, the item is transited ($$, often), but the kid is denied checkout and the item has to be transited back home (more $$) |
| 18:25 |
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kivilahtio |
hmm ok, ill dig into those tomorrow, good night gents |
| 18:25 |
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wizzyrea |
later :) |
| 18:26 |
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mveron |
wizzyrea: I take this as comment to my comment. We need the functionality urgently. |
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wizzyrea |
yep, it can be added later |
| 18:26 |
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wizzyrea |
but I think it's worth thinking about |
| 18:27 |
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wizzyrea |
(it's not a requirement for your functionality to get in) |
| 18:27 |
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wizzyrea |
(at least not for me) |
| 18:27 |
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wizzyrea |
(someone else might complain, I can't speak for them) |
| 18:27 |
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libsysguy |
ill complain |
| 18:28 |
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* libsysguy |
wonders what he'll be complaining about |
| 18:28 |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
| 18:28 |
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wizzyrea |
stop you are giving mveron a heart attack. |
| 18:28 |
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mveron |
Why? Oh. :-) About the weather... ? |
| 18:28 |
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wizzyrea |
no, about libsysguy being sarcastic and complaining about your age functionality ;) |
| 18:28 |
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wizzyrea |
but he won't really |
| 18:28 |
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wizzyrea |
WILL HE |
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* wizzyrea |
gives libsysguy the stink eye |
| 18:29 |
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mveron |
Nobody should complain about age :-) |
| 18:29 |
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libsysguy |
hehe |
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cait |
mveron: do you think it could be extended to take a field from items into account? |
| 18:29 |
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cait |
:) |
| 18:29 |
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cait |
iam thinking about hte restricted value |
| 18:29 |
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mveron |
Hi cait. Yes I do. |
| 18:29 |
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* libsysguy |
runs giggling from wizzyrea |
| 18:29 |
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cait |
I don't think it's actually used for something right now |
| 18:29 |
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cait |
and with our union catalog schema we would need soomething on item level |
| 18:30 |
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mveron |
I pondered about using the public notes field on items. |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
i would think restricted |
| 18:30 |
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wizzyrea |
seems like a hack to me |
| 18:30 |
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mveron |
Our librarians asked the same thing. |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
it's an item field |
| 18:31 |
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wizzyrea |
oh you mean like a "not for loan" value |
| 18:31 |
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cait |
and I think the descriptions for the restricted values are already shown on opac now |
| 18:31 |
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cait |
would have to try, but I think owen(?) did some work on that |
| 18:31 |
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cait |
wizzyrea: yes, authorized value :) |
| 18:31 |
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wizzyrea |
an authorized value might work well there. |
| 18:31 |
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wizzyrea |
ever a chace of having a restricted item that is also not for loan? |
| 18:32 |
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wizzyrea |
becuse that situation would be impossible with an auth value in not_loan |
| 18:32 |
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wizzyrea |
@quote get 123 |
| 18:32 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 18:32 |
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cait |
you could make the value the age perhaps, and the description whatever you like |
| 18:32 |
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cait |
wizzyrea: it's a separate field |
| 18:32 |
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cait |
not the not for loan one |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
you can have both |
| 18:33 |
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mveron |
I try to follow... |
| 18:33 |
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wizzyrea |
oh, hm |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
the rest is a matter of display |
| 18:33 |
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wizzyrea |
oh, $5 |
| 18:33 |
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wizzyrea |
use restrictions |
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cait |
yep |
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cait |
was looking up the field - you beat me :) |
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cait |
953$5 |
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* wizzyrea |
had uh, not seen that one before |
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cait |
it's been there all the time |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
but I don't think we do anything with it |
| 18:33 |
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wizzyrea |
rather, overlooked it |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
except I think we display it now |
| 18:34 |
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wizzyrea |
possibly |
| 18:34 |
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wizzyrea |
so, mveron |
| 18:34 |
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wizzyrea |
in the authorized values |
| 18:34 |
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cait |
mveron: still confused? :) |
| 18:34 |
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wizzyrea |
you can define restrictions |
| 18:34 |
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wizzyrea |
that will show up per item |
| 18:34 |
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wizzyrea |
in a drop down |
| 18:34 |
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cait |
you could do something like 16 (value) = FSK 16 (description) |
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wizzyrea |
http://screencast.com/t/3hqXxIl8iXHH |
| 18:35 |
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wizzyrea |
you would set those up here: http://screencast.com/t/Z0VHmUwx3adA |
| 18:35 |
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mveron |
Wow |
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* wizzyrea |
waits for the "look at all of those tabs!" |
| 18:37 |
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cait |
mveron: I think checking marc in circ will make things really slow |
| 18:37 |
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cait |
mveron: item level would be a lot faster |
| 18:38 |
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mveron |
I think we should do the one and not forget the other. Some libraries would prefer to restrict on titles, athers to restrict on items. |
| 18:38 |
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wizzyrea |
and we can *not* have slow circ |
| 18:38 |
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wizzyrea |
circ must not get any slower. |
| 18:38 |
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mveron |
cait: In my implementation I did not hae the impression that it is slow. It is just one SQL statement more, it includes the XML extraction. |
| 18:39 |
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cait |
mveron: I am a bit worried about using tha tmarc field |
| 18:39 |
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cait |
xml extraction with xml is not so fast in my experience |
| 18:39 |
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cait |
with sql |
| 18:40 |
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cait |
sorry, tired |
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cait |
just came home, sitting in trains all day |
| 18:41 |
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mveron |
Hmm, it runs fine on my server. |
| 18:41 |
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wizzyrea |
under load? |
| 18:41 |
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cait |
oooh |
| 18:41 |
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cait |
what you could do |
| 18:42 |
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cait |
use the value in the marc |
| 18:42 |
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cait |
and make a plugin |
| 18:42 |
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cait |
that will fill the restricted field in the items |
| 18:42 |
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wizzyrea |
oh yea! that's a great idea |
| 18:42 |
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cait |
and |
| 18:42 |
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cait |
make the field configurable using a syspref |
| 18:42 |
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cait |
then you could match the descriptions from field x to descriptions from an authorized value even... |
| 18:42 |
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wizzyrea |
like the classification scheme thing. |
| 18:42 |
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wizzyrea |
kinda |
| 18:43 |
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cait |
wizzyrea: exactly! |
| 18:43 |
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cait |
use it to preset the value, would make it easy to catalog |
| 18:43 |
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wizzyrea |
that solves both problems. |
| 18:43 |
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wizzyrea |
cait++ |
| 18:43 |
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cait |
and keep the functionality on item level |
| 18:43 |
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wizzyrea |
for fast circ :) |
| 18:45 |
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cait |
mveron: hm, I wonder if xml functions are mysql specific |
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mveron |
cait: I'm in discussion wit mbalmer about this, regarding postGre . B.T.W. it is used at other places, I found the idea in the Wiki (Reporting) |
| 18:47 |
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cait |
mveron: yeah for reporting I think it's ok |
| 18:47 |
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cait |
we will have different sections maybe later |
| 18:48 |
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cait |
mveron: reports are done by each library, and you can configure it |
| 18:49 |
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cait |
not so much of a problme then :) libraries using a different database system can write different reports, it's not built in |
| 18:49 |
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mveron |
cait: I know. |
| 18:49 |
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mveron |
So we have 3 concerns: |
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mveron |
a) Fastness, b) Is the field appropriate c) XML extraction |
| 18:50 |
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wizzyrea |
fastness probably being the most important |
| 18:52 |
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mveron |
wizzyrea: Hmm, how to test? |
| 18:53 |
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wizzyrea |
i'd ping sekjal about that sort of thing |
| 18:53 |
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wizzyrea |
we always find out about performance problems the hard way - by putting it into production and suffering. |
| 18:53 |
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mveron |
And if fatness would be an issue for big libraries, thy do not have to use the function. |
| 18:53 |
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mveron |
Sorry, fastness,,, |
| 18:53 |
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wizzyrea |
:P |
| 18:53 |
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mveron |
Shoud put my glasses... |
| 18:53 |
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wizzyrea |
lol, fatness is often a problem for big libraries. |
| 18:54 |
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wizzyrea |
get it? har har har |
| 18:54 |
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cait |
mveron: make the field configurable |
| 18:54 |
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cait |
but I really think item level would be more flexible |
| 18:54 |
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cait |
and perhaps not so much harder to implement really |
| 18:54 |
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mveron |
I can make it configurable (you mean the field) |
| 18:55 |
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mveron |
For us it is really very important, because we deal with small and middl public libraris an school libraries. |
| 18:55 |
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mveron |
The librarians in our group said that I killed a killer by implementing the function. |
| 18:56 |
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mveron |
Really ._9 Not only a 3 letter code :-) |
| 18:56 |
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wizzyrea |
yup, it will be helpful for us too |
| 18:56 |
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wizzyrea |
as we are thinking of adding a school |
| 18:56 |
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wizzyrea |
and they may want to do this |
| 18:56 |
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wizzyrea |
another way to extend it, would be to make it a per branch setting |
| 18:56 |
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wizzyrea |
per-library |
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cait |
_9? |
| 18:57 |
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wizzyrea |
so patrons of a school would be subject to age restrictions |
| 18:57 |
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mveron |
Looks nice... New emoticon.. Says "MArc, put your glasses" |
| 18:57 |
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wizzyrea |
but not patrons of the other publics |
| 18:57 |
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mveron |
^^^Would have to find out how |
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* mveron |
_9 could maybe something like "working until 9 PM" |
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* mveron |
Will try to find out where to implement settings per branch |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
oleonard++ |
| 19:15 |
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wizzyrea |
because oleonards make everything better. |
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* oleonard |
thought maybe it was for polishing off my lunch with such dispatch |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
oh |
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cait |
oleonard: marseille! squee! |
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oleonard |
:) |
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cait |
oh |
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cait |
and I wanted to ask you to take a look at order notes |
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cait |
... |
| 19:18 |
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cait |
can bring chocolate? :) |
| 19:20 |
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* wizzyrea |
steps away briefly to fetch lunch. |
| 19:22 |
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oleonard |
what about order notes cait? |
| 19:27 |
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cait |
oleonard: sorry, got a phone call |
| 19:27 |
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cait |
finding the bug number for you |
| 19:27 |
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cait |
7166 |
| 19:32 |
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cait |
I think having a popup is not good - because of printing and because you don't see them |
| 19:32 |
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cait |
not sure what we could do to make it look good |
| 19:32 |
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cait |
was thinking perhaps you had a suggestion |
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mveron |
wizzyrea: About branch settings, am I right that this is done via the group configuration? |
| 19:47 |
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wizzyrea |
the groups were never finished afaik |
| 19:47 |
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wizzyrea |
maybe gmcharlt can speak to that? |
| 19:48 |
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mveron |
With two branches belonging to two different Properties Groups I can have different settings. |
| 19:48 |
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wizzyrea |
i have never fiddled around with the groups because I assumed they didn't work, because at some point someone told me they were incomplete. |
| 19:49 |
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wizzyrea |
or didn't work as expected |
| 19:49 |
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wizzyrea |
if it were me, I'd just add it to the branch definitions. |
| 19:50 |
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mveron |
In Home › Administration › Libraries and Groups -> Modify Library? |
| 19:51 |
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wizzyrea |
yep |
| 19:53 |
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oleonard |
I spend twenty minutes looking at acquisitions templates and now the word "basket" looks totally wrong to me. |
| 19:54 |
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* wizzyrea |
has had the same problem with the word basket |
| 19:54 |
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wizzyrea |
does anyone else have an idea on what exactly is going on in 7624? |
| 19:54 |
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wizzyrea |
bug 7624 |
| 19:54 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Constrain new category code field to 2 Characters in categorie.pl |
| 19:55 |
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oleonard |
wizzyrea: I'd say wait for a detailed error message before spending any more time on it |
| 19:56 |
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cait |
oleonard: I think I have changed it in german to 'order' = bestellung |
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* oleonard |
got distracted by issues with modordernotes.pl; will look now at basket.tt |
| 20:01 |
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cait |
thank you :) |
| 20:01 |
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cait |
it didn't feel 'right' to me |
| 20:01 |
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cait |
but not sure what will work |
| 20:03 |
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mveron |
wizzyrea: Adding something to the branch definitions would need an additional database field in the branches table, am I right? |
| 20:03 |
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wizzyrea |
i would guess so, yes |
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mveron |
Hmm, would propose to stick with system preferences (as longas they "listen" to property groups) |
| 20:09 |
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oleonard |
cait: what about simply giving the note a little space? http://screencast.com/t/eeIE86fWA ...and a proper label? |
| 20:09 |
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wizzyrea |
aside: that note is pretty priceless. |
| 20:10 |
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cait |
oleonard: keep it simple - I like it |
| 20:10 |
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cait |
priceless? |
| 20:10 |
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wizzyrea |
awesome? |
| 20:10 |
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* oleonard |
will submit a follow-up patch which includes that and other changes |
| 20:10 |
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wizzyrea |
funny? |
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cait |
yay |
| 20:10 |
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cait |
thank you! |
| 20:10 |
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cait |
oleonard++ |
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Space_Librarian |
o/ |
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fabio_t |
Hi |
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mtj |
morning #koha |
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fabio_t |
Hi mtj |
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* mtj |
waves to eythian_bucklame from hamiltr0n |
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mtj |
heya fabio_t |
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fabio_t |
I can't search authorities in UNIMARC Koha 3.6 packages |
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wizzyrea |
and they've been indexed? |
| 20:21 |
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fabio_t |
I did rebuild_zebra.pl -a -r |
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fabio_t |
but no way |
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eythian_bucklame |
mtj: why on earth would you be there? |
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wizzyrea |
hm, you're using packages |
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fabio_t |
auth_header table isn't empty |
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wizzyrea |
I wonder if it was a problem with permissions |
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mtj |
on the way back to wgtn, from a wedding in ak |
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fabio_t |
and authority records seem fine |
| 20:22 |
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wizzyrea |
perhaps you need to do |
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wizzyrea |
koha-rebuild-zebra -a -r instancename |
| 20:23 |
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fabio_t |
it says that -a switch is not compatible with -x |
| 20:23 |
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wizzyrea |
eythian - any thoughts on that one? |
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eythian_bucklame |
if you just do koha-rebuild-zebra --full instancename, it'll rebuild everything. |
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fabio_t |
so I ran the reindexing in the old fashioned way : |
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fabio_t |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
authorities too? |
| 20:24 |
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eythian_bucklame |
I'd be very careful doing it the old fashioned way |
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eythian_bucklame |
yep, authorities too |
| 20:24 |
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eythian_bucklame |
I think there's an option to just do thing, will check |
| 20:24 |
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eythian_bucklame |
*just do them |
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wizzyrea |
oh |
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wizzyrea |
-u -a -r |
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fabio_t |
I'm giving it a try, thanks |
| 20:24 |
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wizzyrea |
or -u -f |
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wizzyrea |
for no -x |
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fabio_t |
what does -u stand for? |
| 20:25 |
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wizzyrea |
process as USMARC rather than default of MARCXML |
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* wizzyrea |
was reading http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]e_Debian_packages |
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eythian_bucklame |
koha-rebuild-zebra currently only has the ability to do both bibs and authorities at the same time |
| 20:26 |
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wizzyrea |
there you have it, thanks eythian |
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* wizzyrea |
adds that to the wiki |
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eythian_bucklame |
but it is smart enough to always do usmarc for authorities :) |
| 20:29 |
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wizzyrea |
so you can't do just bibs, or just authorities |
| 20:29 |
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wizzyrea |
you have to do both |
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fabio_t |
wizzyrea: you were talking about permissions... what kind of permissions? operative system user (sudoer or not) or staff user permissions set in the backend of Koha? |
| 20:29 |
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wizzyrea |
operating system permissions |
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wizzyrea |
i.e. the permissions on the zebradb itself. |
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fabio_t |
k |
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fabio_t |
hm |
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fabio_t |
zebra seems to run fine |
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eythian_bucklame |
I tend to find that as soon as someone does a sudo rebuild_zebra... it breaks the permissions on the packages. |
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fabio_t |
should I change ownership or other rights on some zebra file? |
| 20:31 |
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eythian_bucklame |
or rather, on the package managed zebra db |
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wizzyrea |
^^ this was my concern |
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wizzyrea |
but I didn't have any direct evidence |
| 20:32 |
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wizzyrea |
but you do :) |
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fabio_t |
eheh |
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eythian_bucklame |
fabio_t: when you ran rebuild_zebra, exactly what was your command? |
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eythian_bucklame |
brb meeting |
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oleonard |
Weird... The notes I added via modordernotes.pl are not showing up on parcel.pl |
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oleonard |
...but other notes are. |
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fabio_t |
hm, I've made many attempts eythian_bucklame... do you need to know the first one? |
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oleonard |
cait, have you noticed that ^^ |
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wizzyrea |
that would probably be the one that made the problem originally |
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cait |
sorry, noticed? |
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cait |
oleonard: oh |
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cait |
I think i only checked basket summary |
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cait |
perhaps |
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cait |
:( |
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cait |
what other notes? |
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cait |
one other thing about the change is, that we copy footnotes into that field |
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cait |
in neworderempty |
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oleonard |
Notes which I must have added at the time of ordering |
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cait |
which I always found a bit weird |
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cait |
oleonard: probably automagically copied footnotes? |
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cait |
oleonard: it is the same field as on the order form - it's not a new field |
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cait |
only that you are not supposed to change the order lines after ordering and I think that's a first step tomake that happen |
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cait |
hope I make sense... |
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fabio_t |
I've just ran sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v myInstanceName |
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wizzyrea |
did it work? |
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pastebot |
"fabio_t" at 93.47.33.122 pasted "output of sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instanceName" (86 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/285 |
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fabio_t |
no... |
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fabio_t |
I still can't search authorities |
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fabio_t |
as NPs |
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eythian_bucklame |
those warnings look a bit dubious, but I don't really know what they mean |
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fabio_t |
I thought it could be bug #3072 but I get no results with any option |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3072 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE |
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cait |
the warnings look really weri |
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cait |
d |
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fabio_t |
I've always got those warnings, even if I don't reindex authorities |
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cait |
I have never seen those index names I think |
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cait |
are you using marc21 or unimarc? |
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fabio_t |
UNIMARC |
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cait |
eythian_bucklame: could that be the problem? |
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fabio_t |
but bibs indexing and searching work |
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eythian_bucklame |
cait: I don't know. fabio_t, did you add '--marcflavor unimarc' when you ran koha-create? |
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mveron |
wizzyrea: You were right with the Library Property Groups. I mistaked with my tests. I read the manual for Verion 3.6, but there is no explnation what the groups do. |
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mveron |
See: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]s.html#libsgroups, 2.1.3.2. |
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wizzyrea |
I vaguely wonder why we don't rip them out. |
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cait |
mveron: I think search group swork, but property groups not |
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wizzyrea |
aha |
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cait |
mveron: I think features that got lost sometime, but should be revoked |
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cait |
because it#s a cool idea :) |
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wizzyrea |
yea, it was a 3.0 thing |
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cait |
I think it was possible to use groups to express attributes |
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wizzyrea |
sorry, was supposed to be a 3.2 things |
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cait |
like 'non-circulatiing' |
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wizzyrea |
but it never got finished, because the company that was doing it left the community. |
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mveron |
Found an explanation here: (for what they do and not do actually, with a text for the manual): http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]March/027861.html |
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cait |
I was thinking about have a library with ILL function (to own ill materials) |
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oleonard |
Liblime took it with them when they took their toys and went home. |
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cait |
wizzyrea: I think it's probably much older |
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fabio_t |
eythian_bucklame: I don't know if I did it for this instance |
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cait |
when I remember correctly what rangi told me |
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fabio_t |
but I've fixed pathProfile or something in one instance that I didn't installed properly |
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fabio_t |
...pathProfile in a zebra configuration file |
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fabio_t |
just ran history | grep koha-create |
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fabio_t |
it returns sudo koha-create --marcflavor unimarc --create-db kohaauth |
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fabio_t |
...so I did it |
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eythian_bucklame |
hmm OK |
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oleonard |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]System_groups_RFC |
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eythian_bucklame |
I don't know then really, never used unimarc. It's possible the packages aren't setting up some path for unimarc correctly, but that's just a guess. |
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* mveron |
Hmm, remembering wat wizzyrea said earlier today about small and big chunks: I would really like to get the age thing sail through as soon as possible. |
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cait |
mveron: I can understand |
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cait |
mveron: only not too happy with it like it is now for myself :( |
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fabio_t |
should I open a new bug? |
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eythian_bucklame |
fabio_t: worth a shot, it at least gives you somewhere to focus research on |
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eythian_bucklame |
however, I'd collect as much information as you can to work out where the issue is, my only ideas are just guessing |
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eythian_bucklame |
(also, I'm not doing koha work today, so can't really look in detail) |
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fabio_t |
ok, thank you anyway |
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fabio_t |
wizzyrea, cait: what do you think about it? |
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fabio_t |
any clue? |
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cait |
fabio_t: sorry, I am not familiar with the packages or unimarc - and have not followed all of the discussion |
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wizzyrea |
sorry, I only use MARC21 too |
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cait |
not much use here |
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cait |
and about to sleep :) |
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cait |
cya all tomorrow |
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fabio_t |
bye cait |
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fabio_t |
and thanks |
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fabio_t |
wizzyrea++ |
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fabio_t |
cait++ |
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fabio_t |
eythian++ |
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mveron |
Oh, it's getting late. Good night. |
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* oleonard |
heads out too |
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slef |
morning #koha |
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Space_Librarian |
morning slef |
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* wizzyrea |
looks at the clock |
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* wizzyrea |
checks the world clock |
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* wizzyrea |
thinks slef is bluffing about it being morning. |
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* Space_Librarian |
checks the clock - it's morning for her |
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wizzyrea |
oh I am *sure* it's morning for yOU :) |
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wizzyrea |
you* |
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Space_Librarian |
hehehehe. |
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eythian_bucklame |
it's also morning for me. |
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wizzyrea |
*nod* |
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eythian_bucklame |
so far, evidence points to morning everywhere |
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wizzyrea |
world clock says it is NOT morning in the UK or here ;) |
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eythian_bucklame |
outliers. |
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eythian_bucklame |
don't count |
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wizzyrea |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
you're right, the world *does* revolve around NZ |
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eythian_bucklame |
I knew it! |
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magnus_afk |
g'night #koha! |
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fabio_t |
bye all |
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