Time  Nick              Message
22:41 fabio_t           bye all
22:15 magnus_afk        g'night #koha!
21:58 eythian_bucklame  I knew it!
21:56 wizzyrea          you're right, the world *does* revolve around NZ
21:56 wizzyrea          hehe
21:56 eythian_bucklame  don't count
21:56 eythian_bucklame  outliers.
21:56 wizzyrea          world clock says it is NOT morning in the UK or here ;)
21:55 eythian_bucklame  so far, evidence points to morning everywhere
21:55 wizzyrea          *nod*
21:55 eythian_bucklame  it's also morning for me.
21:48 Space_Librarian   hehehehe.
21:46 wizzyrea          you*
21:46 wizzyrea          oh I am *sure* it's morning for yOU :)
21:46 * Space_Librarian checks the clock - it's morning for her
21:45 * wizzyrea        thinks slef is bluffing about it being morning.
21:45 * wizzyrea        checks the world clock
21:45 * wizzyrea        looks at the clock
21:29 Space_Librarian   morning slef
21:28 slef              morning #koha
21:15 * oleonard        heads out too
21:15 mveron            Oh, it's getting late. Good night.
21:06 fabio_t           eythian++
21:06 fabio_t           cait++
21:06 fabio_t           wizzyrea++
21:06 fabio_t           and thanks
21:06 fabio_t           bye cait
21:06 cait              cya all tomorrow
21:06 cait              and about to sleep :)
21:05 cait              not much use here
21:05 wizzyrea          sorry, I only use MARC21 too
21:05 cait              fabio_t: sorry, I am not familiar with the packages or unimarc - and have not followed all of the discussion
21:05 fabio_t           any clue?
21:05 fabio_t           wizzyrea, cait: what do you think about it?
21:05 fabio_t           ok, thank you anyway
21:04 eythian_bucklame  (also, I'm not doing koha work today, so can't really look in detail)
21:04 eythian_bucklame  however, I'd collect as much information as you can to work out where the issue is, my only ideas are just guessing
21:03 eythian_bucklame  fabio_t: worth a shot, it at least gives you somewhere to focus research on
21:03 fabio_t           should I open a new bug?
21:03 cait              mveron: only not too happy with it like it is now for myself :(
21:02 cait              mveron: I can understand
21:02 * mveron          Hmm, remembering wat wizzyrea said earlier today about small and big chunks: I would really like to get the age thing sail through as soon as possible.
21:01 eythian_bucklame  I don't know then really, never used unimarc. It's possible the packages aren't setting up some path for unimarc correctly, but that's just a guess.
21:01 oleonard          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_groups_RFC
21:01 eythian_bucklame  hmm OK
21:00 fabio_t           ...so I did it
21:00 fabio_t           it returns sudo koha-create --marcflavor unimarc --create-db kohaauth
21:00 fabio_t           just ran history | grep koha-create
20:57 fabio_t           ...pathProfile in a zebra configuration file
20:57 fabio_t           but I've fixed pathProfile or something in one instance that I didn't installed properly
20:56 cait              when I remember correctly what rangi told me
20:56 fabio_t           eythian_bucklame: I don't know if I did it for this instance
20:55 cait              wizzyrea: I think it's probably much older
20:55 oleonard          Liblime took it with them when they took their toys and went home.
20:55 cait              I was thinking about have a library with ILL function (to own ill materials)
20:55 mveron            Found an explanation here: (for what they do and not do actually, with a text for the manual): http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2011-March/027861.html
20:55 wizzyrea          but it never got finished, because the company that was doing it left the community.
20:55 cait              like 'non-circulatiing'
20:55 wizzyrea          sorry, was supposed to be a 3.2 things
20:55 cait              I think it was possible to use groups to express attributes
20:55 wizzyrea          yea, it was a 3.0 thing
20:54 cait              because it#s a cool idea :)
20:54 cait              mveron: I think features that got lost sometime, but should be revoked
20:54 wizzyrea          aha
20:54 cait              mveron: I think search group swork, but property groups not
20:53 wizzyrea          I vaguely wonder why we don't rip them out.
20:53 mveron            See: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/basicparams.html#libsgroups, 2.1.3.2.
20:53 mveron            wizzyrea: You were right with the Library Property Groups. I mistaked with my tests.  I read the manual for Verion 3.6, but there is no explnation what the groups do.
20:53 eythian_bucklame  cait: I don't know. fabio_t, did you add '--marcflavor unimarc' when you ran koha-create?
20:52 fabio_t           but bibs indexing and searching work
20:52 cait              eythian_bucklame: could that be the problem?
20:51 fabio_t           UNIMARC
20:51 cait              are you using marc21 or unimarc?
20:51 cait              I have never seen those index names I think
20:51 fabio_t           I've always got those warnings, even if I don't reindex authorities
20:50 cait              d
20:50 cait              the warnings look really weri
20:49 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3072 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE
20:49 fabio_t           I thought it could be bug #3072 but I get no results with any option
20:49 eythian_bucklame  those warnings look a bit dubious, but I don't really know what they mean
20:47 fabio_t           as NPs
20:47 fabio_t           I still can't search authorities
20:46 fabio_t           no...
20:46 pastebot          "fabio_t" at 93.47.33.122 pasted "output of sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instanceName" (86 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/285
20:46 wizzyrea          did it work?
20:42 fabio_t           I've just ran sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v  myInstanceName
20:41 cait              hope I make sense...
20:39 cait              only that you are not supposed to change the order lines after ordering and I think that's a first step tomake that happen
20:39 cait              oleonard: it is the same field as on the order form - it's not a new field
20:39 cait              oleonard: probably automagically copied footnotes?
20:38 cait              which I always found a bit weird
20:38 oleonard          Notes which I must have added at the time of ordering
20:38 cait              in neworderempty
20:38 cait              one other thing about the change is, that we copy footnotes into that field
20:38 cait              what other notes?
20:37 cait              :(
20:37 cait              perhaps
20:37 cait              I think i only checked basket summary
20:37 cait              oleonard: oh
20:37 cait              sorry, noticed?
20:37 wizzyrea          that would probably be the one that made the problem originally
20:37 oleonard          cait, have you noticed that ^^
20:34 fabio_t           hm, I've made many attempts eythian_bucklame... do you need to know the first one?
20:33 oleonard          ...but other notes are.
20:33 oleonard          Weird... The notes I added via modordernotes.pl are not showing up on parcel.pl
20:32 eythian_bucklame  brb meeting
20:32 eythian_bucklame  fabio_t: when you ran rebuild_zebra, exactly what was your command?
20:32 fabio_t           eheh
20:32 wizzyrea          but you do :)
20:32 wizzyrea          but I didn't have any direct evidence
20:31 wizzyrea          ^^ this was my concern
20:31 eythian_bucklame  or rather, on the package managed zebra db
20:31 fabio_t           should I change ownership or other rights on some zebra file?
20:31 eythian_bucklame  I tend to find that as soon as someone does a sudo rebuild_zebra... it breaks the permissions on the packages.
20:30 fabio_t           zebra seems to run fine
20:30 fabio_t           hm
20:30 fabio_t           k
20:29 wizzyrea          i.e. the permissions on the zebradb itself.
20:29 wizzyrea          operating system permissions
20:29 fabio_t           wizzyrea: you were talking about permissions... what kind of permissions? operative system user (sudoer or not) or staff user permissions set in the backend of Koha?
20:29 wizzyrea          you have to do both
20:29 wizzyrea          so you can't do just bibs, or just authorities
20:26 eythian_bucklame  but it is smart enough to always do usmarc for authorities :)
20:26 * wizzyrea        adds that to the wiki
20:26 wizzyrea          there you have it, thanks eythian
20:25 eythian_bucklame  koha-rebuild-zebra currently only has the ability to do both bibs and authorities at the same time
20:25 * wizzyrea        was reading http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages
20:25 wizzyrea          process as USMARC rather than default of MARCXML
20:25 fabio_t           what does -u stand for?
20:25 wizzyrea          for no -x
20:24 wizzyrea          or -u -f
20:24 fabio_t           I'm giving it a try, thanks
20:24 wizzyrea          -u -a -r
20:24 wizzyrea          oh
20:24 eythian_bucklame  *just do them
20:24 eythian_bucklame  I think there's an option to just do thing, will check
20:24 eythian_bucklame  yep, authorities too
20:24 eythian_bucklame  I'd be very careful doing it the old fashioned way
20:24 wizzyrea          authorities too?
20:24 fabio_t           :)
20:24 fabio_t           so I ran the reindexing in the old fashioned way :
20:23 eythian_bucklame  if you just do koha-rebuild-zebra --full instancename, it'll rebuild everything.
20:23 wizzyrea          eythian - any thoughts on that one?
20:23 fabio_t           it says that -a switch is not compatible with -x
20:22 wizzyrea          koha-rebuild-zebra -a -r instancename
20:22 wizzyrea          perhaps you need to do
20:22 fabio_t           and authority records seem fine
20:22 mtj               on the way back to wgtn, from a wedding in ak
20:22 wizzyrea          I wonder if it was a problem with permissions
20:22 fabio_t           auth_header table isn't empty
20:22 wizzyrea          hm, you're using packages
20:21 eythian_bucklame  mtj: why on earth would you be there?
20:21 fabio_t           but no way
20:21 fabio_t           I did rebuild_zebra.pl -a -r
20:21 wizzyrea          and they've been indexed?
20:20 fabio_t           I can't search authorities in UNIMARC Koha 3.6 packages
20:19 mtj               heya fabio_t
20:19 * mtj             waves to eythian_bucklame from hamiltr0n
20:19 fabio_t           Hi mtj
20:19 mtj               morning #koha
20:18 fabio_t           Hi
20:15 Space_Librarian   o/
20:10 cait              oleonard++
20:10 cait              thank you!
20:10 cait              yay
20:10 wizzyrea          funny?
20:10 * oleonard        will submit a follow-up patch which includes that and other changes
20:10 wizzyrea          awesome?
20:10 cait              priceless?
20:10 cait              oleonard: keep it simple - I like it
20:09 wizzyrea          aside: that note is pretty priceless.
20:09 oleonard          cait: what about simply giving the note a little space? http://screencast.com/t/eeIE86fWA ...and a proper label?
20:05 mveron            Hmm, would propose to stick with system preferences (as longas  they "listen" to property groups)
20:03 wizzyrea          i would guess so, yes
20:03 mveron            wizzyrea: Adding something to the branch definitions would need an additional database field in the branches table, am I right?
20:01 cait              but not sure what will work
20:01 cait              it didn't feel 'right' to me
20:01 cait              thank you :)
20:01 * oleonard        got distracted by issues with modordernotes.pl; will look now at basket.tt
19:56 cait              oleonard: I think I have changed it in german to 'order' = bestellung
19:55 oleonard          wizzyrea: I'd say wait for a detailed error message before spending any more time on it
19:54 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Constrain new category code field to 2 Characters in categorie.pl
19:54 wizzyrea          bug 7624
19:54 wizzyrea          does anyone else have an idea on what exactly is going on in 7624?
19:54 * wizzyrea        has had the same problem with the word basket
19:53 oleonard          I spend twenty minutes looking at acquisitions templates and now the word "basket" looks totally wrong to me.
19:51 wizzyrea          yep
19:50 mveron            In Home › Administration › Libraries and Groups -> Modify Library?
19:49 wizzyrea          if it were me, I'd just add it to the branch definitions.
19:49 wizzyrea          or didn't work as expected
19:48 wizzyrea          i have never fiddled around with the groups because I assumed they didn't work, because at some point someone told me they were incomplete.
19:48 mveron            With two branches belonging to two different Properties Groups I can have different settings.
19:47 wizzyrea          maybe gmcharlt can speak to that?
19:47 wizzyrea          the groups were never finished afaik
19:47 mveron            wizzyrea: About branch settings, am I right that this is done via the group configuration?
19:32 cait              was thinking perhaps you had a suggestion
19:32 cait              not sure what we could do to make it look good
19:32 cait              I think having a popup is not good - because of printing and because you don't see them
19:27 cait              7166
19:27 cait              finding the bug number for you
19:27 cait              oleonard: sorry, got a phone call
19:22 oleonard          what about order notes cait?
19:20 * wizzyrea        steps away briefly to fetch lunch.
19:18 cait              can bring chocolate? :)
19:18 cait              ...
19:18 cait              and I wanted to ask you to take a look at order notes
19:18 cait              oh
19:17 oleonard          :)
19:17 cait              oleonard: marseille! squee!
19:17 cait              oh
19:17 cait              :)
19:15 * oleonard        thought maybe it was for polishing off my lunch with such dispatch
19:15 wizzyrea          because oleonards make everything better.
19:15 cait              oleonard++
19:02 * mveron          Will try to find out where to implement settings per branch
18:59 * mveron          _9 could maybe something like "working until 9 PM"
18:57 mveron            ^^^Would have to find out how
18:57 wizzyrea          but not patrons of the other publics
18:57 mveron            Looks nice... New emoticon.. Says "MArc, put your glasses"
18:57 wizzyrea          so patrons of a school would be subject to age restrictions
18:56 cait              _9?
18:56 wizzyrea          per-library
18:56 wizzyrea          another way to extend it, would be to make it a per branch setting
18:56 wizzyrea          and they may want to do this
18:56 wizzyrea          as we are thinking of adding a school
18:56 wizzyrea          yup, it will be helpful for us too
18:56 mveron            Really ._9 Not only a 3 letter code :-)
18:55 mveron            The librarians in our group said that I killed a killer by implementing the function.
18:55 mveron            For us it is really very important, because we deal with small and middl public libraris an school libraries.
18:54 mveron            I can make it configurable (you mean the field)
18:54 cait              and perhaps not so much harder to implement really
18:54 cait              but I really think item level would be more flexible
18:54 cait              mveron: make the field configurable
18:54 wizzyrea          get it? har har har
18:53 wizzyrea          lol, fatness is often a problem for big libraries.
18:53 mveron            Shoud put my glasses...
18:53 wizzyrea          :P
18:53 mveron            Sorry, fastness,,,
18:53 mveron            And if fatness would be an issue for big libraries, thy do not have to use the function.
18:53 wizzyrea          we always find out about performance problems the hard way - by putting it into production and suffering.
18:53 wizzyrea          i'd ping sekjal about that sort of thing
18:52 mveron            wizzyrea: Hmm, how to test?
18:50 wizzyrea          fastness probably being the most important
18:50 mveron            a) Fastness, b) Is the field appropriate c) XML extraction
18:49 mveron            So we have 3 concerns:
18:49 mveron            cait: I know.
18:49 cait              not so much of a problme then :) libraries using a different database system can write different reports, it's not built in
18:48 cait              mveron: reports are done by each library, and you can configure it
18:47 cait              we will have different sections maybe later
18:47 cait              mveron: yeah for reporting I think it's ok
18:46 mveron            cait: I'm in discussion wit mbalmer about this, regarding postGre . B.T.W. it is used at other places, I found the idea in the Wiki (Reporting)
18:45 cait              mveron: hm, I wonder if xml functions are mysql specific
18:43 wizzyrea          for fast circ :)
18:43 cait              and keep the functionality on item level
18:43 wizzyrea          cait++
18:43 wizzyrea          that solves both problems.
18:43 cait              use it to preset the value, would make it easy to catalog
18:43 cait              wizzyrea: exactly!
18:42 wizzyrea          kinda
18:42 wizzyrea          like the classification scheme thing.
18:42 cait              then you could match the descriptions from field x to descriptions from an authorized value even...
18:42 cait              make the field configurable using a syspref
18:42 cait              and
18:42 wizzyrea          oh yea! that's a great idea
18:42 cait              that will fill the restricted field in the items
18:42 cait              and make a plugin
18:42 cait              use the value in the marc
18:41 cait              what you could do
18:41 cait              oooh
18:41 wizzyrea          under load?
18:41 mveron            Hmm, it runs fine on my server.
18:40 cait              just came home, sitting in trains all day
18:40 cait              sorry, tired
18:39 cait              with sql
18:39 cait              xml extraction with xml is not so fast in my experience
18:39 cait              mveron: I am a bit worried about using tha tmarc field
18:38 mveron            cait: In my implementation I did not hae the impression that it is slow. It is just one SQL statement more, it includes the XML extraction.
18:38 wizzyrea          circ must not get any slower.
18:38 wizzyrea          and we can *not* have slow circ
18:38 mveron            I think we should do the one and not forget the other. Some libraries would prefer to restrict on titles, athers to restrict on items.
18:37 cait              mveron: item level would be a lot faster
18:37 cait              mveron: I think checking marc in circ will make things really slow
18:36 * wizzyrea        waits for the "look at all of those tabs!"
18:35 mveron            Wow
18:35 wizzyrea          you would set those up here: http://screencast.com/t/Z0VHmUwx3adA
18:34 wizzyrea          http://screencast.com/t/3hqXxIl8iXHH
18:34 cait              you could do something like 16 (value) =  FSK 16 (description)
18:34 wizzyrea          in a drop down
18:34 wizzyrea          that will show up per item
18:34 wizzyrea          you can define restrictions
18:34 cait              mveron: still confused? :)
18:34 wizzyrea          in the authorized values
18:34 wizzyrea          so, mveron
18:34 wizzyrea          possibly
18:33 cait              except I think we display it now
18:33 wizzyrea          rather, overlooked it
18:33 cait              but I don't think we do anything with it
18:33 cait              it's been there all the time
18:33 * wizzyrea        had uh, not seen that one before
18:33 cait              953$5
18:33 cait              was looking up the field - you beat me :)
18:33 cait              yep
18:33 wizzyrea          use restrictions
18:33 wizzyrea          oh, $5
18:33 cait              the rest is a matter of display
18:33 wizzyrea          oh, hm
18:33 mveron            I try to follow...
18:33 cait              you can have both
18:32 cait              not the not for loan one
18:32 cait              wizzyrea: it's a separate field
18:32 cait              you could make the value the age perhaps, and the description whatever you like
18:32 huginn            wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
18:32 wizzyrea          @quote get 123
18:32 wizzyrea          becuse that situation would be impossible with an auth value in not_loan
18:31 wizzyrea          ever a chace of having a restricted item that is also not for loan?
18:31 wizzyrea          an authorized value might work well there.
18:31 cait              wizzyrea: yes, authorized value :)
18:31 cait              would have to try, but I think owen(?) did some work on that
18:31 cait              and I think the descriptions for the restricted values are already shown on opac now
18:31 wizzyrea          oh you mean like a "not for loan" value
18:30 cait              it's an item field
18:30 mveron            Our librarians asked the same thing.
18:30 wizzyrea          seems like a hack to me
18:30 cait              i would think restricted
18:30 cait              hm
18:30 mveron            I pondered about using the public notes field on items.
18:29 cait              and with our union catalog schema we would need soomething on item level
18:29 cait              I don't think it's actually used for something right now
18:29 * libsysguy       runs giggling from wizzyrea
18:29 mveron            Hi cait. Yes I do.
18:29 cait              iam thinking about hte restricted value
18:29 cait              :)
18:29 cait              mveron: do you think it could be extended to take a field from items into account?
18:29 libsysguy         hehe
18:29 mveron            Nobody should complain about age :-)
18:29 * wizzyrea        gives libsysguy the stink eye
18:28 wizzyrea          WILL HE
18:28 wizzyrea          but he won't really
18:28 wizzyrea          no, about libsysguy being sarcastic and complaining about your age functionality ;)
18:28 mveron            Why? Oh. :-) About the weather... ?
18:28 wizzyrea          stop you are giving mveron a heart attack.
18:28 wizzyrea          lol
18:28 * libsysguy       wonders what he'll be complaining about
18:27 libsysguy         ill complain
18:27 wizzyrea          (someone else might complain, I can't speak for them)
18:27 wizzyrea          (at least not for me)
18:27 wizzyrea          (it's not a requirement for your functionality to get in)
18:26 wizzyrea          but I think it's worth thinking about
18:26 wizzyrea          yep, it can be added later
18:26 mveron            wizzyrea: I take this as comment to my comment. We need the functionality urgently.
18:25 wizzyrea          later :)
18:25 kivilahtio        hmm ok, ill dig into those tomorrow, good night gents
18:24 * wizzyrea        imagines a scenario where a kid places a hold on a R rated movie, the item is transited ($$, often), but the kid is denied checkout and the item has to be transited back home (more $$)
18:24 mveron            I just commented it. Seems that it would lad to som architectural changes.
18:24 wizzyrea          what do you think about adding it to reserves as well?
18:23 wizzyrea          me too, that looks really helpful
18:23 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
18:23 mveron            wizzyrea: I hope my little chunk in Bug 7621 can sail through :-)
18:20 wizzyrea          bye :)
18:20 fabio_t           Bye!
18:20 wizzyrea          and http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SubmitingAPatch
18:19 wizzyrea          and http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_a_pushed_branch
18:19 wizzyrea          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches
18:19 wizzyrea          and....
18:19 wizzyrea          you are familiar with this eh
18:19 wahanui           version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
18:19 wizzyrea          version control using git
18:18 * wizzyrea        has seen it again and again
18:18 kivilahtio        thats some solid advice
18:18 wizzyrea          :)
18:18 kivilahtio        ok
18:17 wizzyrea          little chunks often sail right through
18:17 wizzyrea          big chunks often get bogged down in testing.
18:17 kivilahtio        so we wont get version locked
18:17 wizzyrea          steps are bigger than big chunks in our world
18:17 kivilahtio        but it will be important for us to stick to master branch
18:17 wizzyrea          yep - submit early, submit often
18:17 kivilahtio        to have things running more our way
18:17 kivilahtio        we are planning to havea team of 3-4 persons for 1 year to do the migration, setup, extra developments
18:16 kivilahtio        dev work wont be an issues if we go OS ILS
18:16 wizzyrea          if you're willing to do the work - more power to ya :)
18:16 wizzyrea          just thinking about how it could be done *now* and without a bunch of dev work.
18:16 kivilahtio        anyway
18:16 wizzyrea          i'm not disagreeing with you ^.^
18:15 kivilahtio        and that functionality streamlines Koha use, and gets rid of playing around with gazillion item types
18:15 kivilahtio        and what I gather from talks around here, some libraries will definetely be interested
18:15 kivilahtio        scratch your back, and get scratched
18:15 wizzyrea          sure sure
18:14 kivilahtio        you know to work with you guys to find the common ground
18:14 kivilahtio        well we would like to have it in master
18:14 wizzyrea          :)
18:14 wizzyrea          but it is always worth thinking about how to make koha fit in your mad scheme the way it is now
18:14 kivilahtio        to define hierarchial relationship
18:14 kivilahtio        add a parent column to branches
18:13 wizzyrea          I think it might be one of these, and that is *ok*
18:13 kivilahtio        what i gather it might take 2 months
18:13 huginn            wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
18:13 wizzyrea          @quote get 123
18:13 kivilahtio        and you think adding departments is such a huge issues?
18:13 wizzyrea          but I think you're more concerned with *things* and not *people*
18:13 wizzyrea          well and patron categories
18:13 wizzyrea          you can only base rules on itypes
18:12 wizzyrea          i mean
18:12 wizzyrea          sure or that
18:12 kivilahtio        or shelf locations?
18:12 wizzyrea          and only have a few of those?
18:12 wizzyrea          use collection codes for searching?
18:12 kivilahtio        patrons wont like it, no one will
18:12 kivilahtio        you havea agazillion to choose from
18:12 kivilahtio        searching*
18:11 kivilahtio        what about finding with itemtypes?
18:11 wizzyrea          but it might be better than what you're doing now
18:11 wizzyrea          sure you end up with a zillion itypes
18:11 wizzyrea          per library
18:11 wizzyrea          set fines/rules based on those itypes
18:11 wizzyrea          childrens - subtype2
18:11 wizzyrea          childrens - subtype1
18:11 wizzyrea          so have Serials - subtype
18:11 kivilahtio        but I feel it's not such a big issues to extend Koha to support departments
18:10 kivilahtio        so basically every department is a library of its own, with its own rulesets regardin even how fines are formed
18:10 wizzyrea          you can't do this with item types?
18:10 kivilahtio        departments need to have their own open periods
18:10 kivilahtio        search groups dont fix that
18:09 kivilahtio        we have 20 libraries, but those extra 150 departments really clutter the OPAC search
18:09 kivilahtio        but it makes the search display extremely cluttered
18:09 kivilahtio        well atm we havea a library for every department and can do searching using search groups
18:08 kivilahtio        nope
18:08 wizzyrea          oh sure you can do that I think
18:08 kivilahtio        have its own funds
18:08 wizzyrea          rather, what's the goal and how does Koha fall short
18:08 kivilahtio        every library has its own departments, not all have the same. And every department needs to be able to define different loan rules
18:08 kivilahtio        serials deparmtnet
18:08 wahanui           the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
18:08 wizzyrea          the first question?
18:08 kivilahtio        like musics department, childrens department
18:07 wizzyrea          define "departments inside libraries"
18:07 kivilahtio        and atm we have around 20 branches
18:07 wizzyrea          hm, explain
18:07 kivilahtio        and if we go Koha we definetely need to add that functionality
18:07 kivilahtio        we have a dire need for departments inside libraries
18:07 wizzyrea          not the way we use it, no.
18:07 kivilahtio        but Koha doesn't handicap it in anyway?
18:07 * wizzyrea        has 40 in her consortium
18:06 wizzyrea          with lots of hardware and a few staff, I'd guess.
18:06 kivilahtio        I wonder how do you deal with consortia of say 200 libraries?
18:06 wizzyrea          it's doing alright here :)
18:06 kivilahtio        getting solid market share
18:06 wizzyrea          as in "the part most everyone only sees from the air"
18:06 kivilahtio        Koha is bustling in the states
18:05 kivilahtio        ok
18:05 wizzyrea          flyover country ;)
18:05 wizzyrea          Kansas, USA
18:05 kivilahtio        and @wizzyrea? where do thee hail from?
18:05 wizzyrea          ooooo
18:05 kivilahtio        Finland
18:05 kivilahtio        but its nice and peacefull
18:05 wizzyrea          where is "here?"
18:05 kivilahtio        should try to get to work earlier than 12:00
18:04 kivilahtio        damn its 20:00 here already
18:04 wizzyrea          true.
18:04 kivilahtio        totally confuse me
18:04 wizzyrea          they are fun :)
18:04 kivilahtio        luv your bots
18:04 kivilahtio        :D
18:04 wizzyrea          (friendly sort though)
18:04 wahanui           i haven't a clue, kivilahtio
18:04 kivilahtio        wahanui: what?
18:04 wizzyrea          (also a bot)
18:03 wahanui           yes, kivilahtio?
18:03 kivilahtio        wahanui
18:03 wizzyrea          how did it go?
18:03 wizzyrea          we missed you yesterday
18:03 wahanui           salut, kivilahtio
18:03 kivilahtio        hi
18:03 wizzyrea          hi cait :)
18:03 cait              hi :)
18:03 wizzyrea          nope
18:03 kivilahtio        you cant blame a system for that
18:03 wizzyrea          exactly
18:03 kivilahtio        and its user fault
18:03 wizzyrea          you do have to assume that the staff member was at the library they were signed in at
18:03 kivilahtio        yeah but thats so rare
18:03 wizzyrea          well, unless a staff member logged in as themself with a set branch in a different library
18:02 kivilahtio        yeah who, but from where?
18:02 kivilahtio        and patrons have fixed homebranches
18:02 wizzyrea          you would always be able to tell who did it
18:02 wizzyrea          nah, the id's correspond to patrons
18:02 kivilahtio        unless the staff was at some other library
18:02 wizzyrea          several, even.
18:02 wizzyrea          because every library has their own user.
18:02 kivilahtio        so true
18:02 wizzyrea          or, at least it would in my system
18:01 wizzyrea          right - and that would lead you to which library added it
18:01 kivilahtio        or participated in the payment
18:01 kivilahtio        manager_id is the staff patron who created the fine
18:01 wizzyrea          but accountlines does
18:01 wizzyrea          no
18:01 kivilahtio        but issues has no manager_id
18:01 wizzyrea          and i wonder if it means anything
18:01 wizzyrea          because there is a "manager_id" in there
18:00 wizzyrea          now I want to know ;)
18:00 kivilahtio        we can backtrack according to time and patron
18:00 * wizzyrea        tests something
18:00 kivilahtio        well it doesnt matter
18:00 wizzyrea          let me think
17:59 wizzyrea          you want to know who added that?
17:59 wizzyrea          hmm
17:59 huginn            kivilahtio: I've exhausted my database of quotes
17:59 kivilahtio        @wizzyrea: fines that dont have a item attached?
17:59 kivilahtio        How about custom created fines?
17:58 kivilahtio        good, I can mark good scores for the requirement "Can we see from the fines display, from which library the fines originate from" to existing functionality supports addon :)
17:57 wizzyrea          something like select * from old_issues join accountlines using(borrowernumber) where borrowernumber = <the number>;
17:56 wizzyrea          exactly.
17:56 kivilahtio        so backtracking accountlines.borrowernumber & itemnumber to issues and oldissues we can determine from which library this transaction emits
17:56 wizzyrea          but, of course many items are never renewed.
17:55 wizzyrea          if there were renewals
17:55 wizzyrea          they *would* have a renewaldate
17:55 wizzyrea          s/copied/moved
17:54 kivilahtio        ahaa!
17:54 wizzyrea          they are copied to old_issues
17:54 wizzyrea          because once they do
17:54 wizzyrea          issues never have a returndate
17:54 wizzyrea          right
17:54 wahanui           i already had it that way, huginn.
17:54 huginn            wizzyrea: Quote #162: "oleonard: I think DRM is inherently incompatible with any lending system which will be friendly to patrons." (added by wizzyrea at 04:03 PM, October 28, 2011)
17:54 wizzyrea          @quote random
17:54 wahanui           i already had it that way, huginn.
17:54 huginn            wizzyrea: Error: 'random' is not a valid id.
17:54 wizzyrea          @quote get random
17:54 kivilahtio        I have a issues-table full of returndates and lastrenewdates of NULL
17:54 wizzyrea          see :)
17:53 huginn            wizzyrea: I've exhausted my database of quotes
17:53 wizzyrea          @something
17:53 wizzyrea          lol naw
17:53 kivilahtio        how cool is that :D
17:53 huginn            kivilahtio: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
17:53 kivilahtio        @wizzyrea: so you have strategically added @ to the start of your name?
17:52 wizzyrea          at the beginning of a line
17:52 wizzyrea          he does that when you say @anything
17:52 wizzyrea          he's a bot :)
17:52 wizzyrea          which would tell you where the item was checked out from
17:52 huginn            kivilahtio: I've exhausted my database of quotes
17:52 kivilahtio        huginn: why is that?
17:52 huginn            kivilahtio: I suck
17:52 kivilahtio        @wizzyrea:yeah it seems legit
17:52 wizzyrea          or issues.branchcode
17:52 wizzyrea          and look at issues.issuingbranch
17:51 wizzyrea          or old issues, if the book has been returned
17:50 wizzyrea          well... you can link the borrowernumber with issues
17:50 huginn            kivilahtio: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
17:50 kivilahtio        @wizzyrea: hey thats true,
17:50 kivilahtio        what I wanted to find out is can we find out from what library does the fine originate from
17:50 wizzyrea          and so on
17:50 wizzyrea          the next, 2
17:49 wizzyrea          so the very first fine a patron ever gets, will be 1
17:49 wizzyrea          but afaik, the accountno is the number of the fine for that patron
17:49 wizzyrea          boo it doesn't say
17:48 wahanui           i heard schema was tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
17:48 wizzyrea          schema?
17:48 kivilahtio        what is accountlines.accountno used for?
17:45 jcamins_away      It would go towards cat6 cabling.
17:45 jcamins_away      wizzyrea: you canstill throw money at me. I wouldn't mind.
17:44 oleonard          I'm sure he wouldn't mind if we threw money at him wizzyrea
17:44 wizzyrea          paul_p, see 5586 in regard to your SIP issue
17:43 wizzyrea          he's not a problem
17:43 * wizzyrea        read that as "throw money at the problem jcamins"
17:42 oleonard          I'm sure I could get lots of things I want if I threw money at the problem jcamins_away
17:41 * jcamins_away    needs to stop finding things he wants done to his new apartment.
17:41 * oleonard        needs to stop finding things he doesn't like about the way tags work
17:40 melia             ok thanks for testing oleonard :)
17:40 fabio_t           Hi #koha!
17:40 oleonard          Seems to be working for me in master melia
17:35 wizzyrea          could be
17:35 melia             I'm only hearing it from one library. am wondering if maybe some other settings could be affecting it…
17:35 gaetan_B          bye #koha!
17:34 wizzyrea          but can test it
17:33 wizzyrea          melia - i haven't heard that
17:20 melia             has anyone noticed a problem with RenewalBasePreference set to "the old date of the checkout"? one library is saying that if they renew a book today that isn't due until 5 days from today, the new due date is 2 wks from today instead of 2 wks from the actual due date...
17:06 Shane-S           nengard: email you with the change, hopefully I I covered my bases.
17:05 slef              wahanui++
17:05 eternalsword      thanks
17:04 wizzyrea          this may help you: http://tt2.org/docs/manual/Variables.html
17:03 wahanui           template toolkit is apt-get install libtemplate-perl or http://tt2.org/
17:03 wizzyrea          template toolkit?
17:02 eternalsword      in the templating system, with the [% IF %] blocks, is it possible to check if a variable, whose value is grabbed from the database, is NULL
16:37 wizzyrea          AHA
16:37 wahanui           kohacon12 is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12 or Conference Tue 5 June 2012 to Thu 7th, Hackfest Sat 9th June-Mon 11th June
16:37 wizzyrea          kohacon12?
16:37 wizzyrea          ^ true
16:37 wahanui           slef is an encyclopedia of FOSS knowledge
16:37 wizzyrea          slef?
16:37 wizzyrea          does someone have the link for kohacon12?
16:36 wizzyrea          (in master)
16:36 wizzyrea          it means it's only got QA and RM approval before your bug will be fixed :)
16:29 Shane-S           awesome thanks :P (not sure what that means though)
16:29 wizzyrea          Shane-S: I just signed off on the patch for your bug :)
16:28 Shane-S           okay, using the http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-docs page emails?
16:28 nengard           if you can't use git them email me the text of your changes and i'll put it in
16:27 Shane-S           nengard: how best should I submit documentation changes based on a patch. I want to add more detail to the tools section 2.3.1 on the fields available. However, I can't use git (yet..working on it @ home)
16:01 wizzyrea          I know it was a speed suck.
16:01 wizzyrea          possibly?
16:01 wizzyrea          part of the unified patron search routine?
16:01 nengard           got people complaining that it disappeared after an upgrade
16:01 nengard           hmmm
16:00 oleonard          ...since sorting one page of many pages of results doesn't make much sense.
16:00 oleonard          nengard: I assume they were removed around the time the results got split into pages
15:59 oleonard          If you're at http://my-koha-site.com it doesn't work. If you're at http://my-koha-site.com/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl it does work
15:59 nengard           another question - why were the table sorters removed on the patron search? and when?
15:59 nengard           okey dokey, will search
15:59 oleonard          nengard: It may just be mentioned in another bug, but it is a known issue
15:58 nengard           other pages seem to work
15:58 nengard           or i should say the help file on the main page
15:58 nengard           question about master - is anyone else noticign that the help files aren't loading? is it just my set up? or a bug?
15:57 wizzyrea          (may be unrelated, idk. will check master too.)
15:57 pastebot          "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "messages from tests for chris_n" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/284
15:57 pastebot          "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "messages from tests for chris_n" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/283
15:56 wizzyrea          chris_n: labels.t gives some funky messages in the tests - but passes
15:55 wizzyrea          :)
15:55 * magnus_afk      takes the dogs for a walk
15:55 magnus_afk        2 bugs that need sign off is a little bit too good to be true...
15:55 magnus_afk        yay!
15:54 wizzyrea          lol
15:54 wizzyrea          yep
15:54 magnuse           kthxbai
15:54 magnuse           wizzyrea: if and when you have the time, could you take a look at the "bugs to be signed off" link on http://koha-community.org/ - and maybe change the kohaCon11-link to one for KohaCon12?
15:54 wizzyrea          chris_n++ that works a treat :)
15:52 wizzyrea          ... and that was before I read your @later :)
15:52 wizzyrea          chris_n: testing your patch now
15:51 kyleh             it's also telling me that the 27th is also invalid.
15:50 * oleonard        goes home
15:50 oleonard          I'll say it is.
15:49 kyleh             have there been any problems with using Date::Calc::Day_of_Week? It's telling me today is an invalid date!
15:39 marcelr           even in a fresh clone same problems..
15:38 marcelr           changed my rc file today
15:38 marcelr           replacing tabs by spaces
15:38 marcelr           it must be vim instead of git
15:38 oleonard          Yes
15:38 wahanui           it has been said that oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
15:38 marcelr           oleonard?
15:38 marcelr           back
15:18 marcelr           oleonard: i am just thinking that my git clone had some resets and abort too many or so; probably must start a fresh one..
15:08 mveron            Good afternoon #koha
14:56 Shane-S           hmm...*ponders radio/checkboxes and a "case" statement
14:56 * chris_n         heads out
14:55 Shane-S           QR code MAYBE :P
14:55 chris_n           restricting it w/o lots of commenting by the community might result in a few not able to print what they are used to printing
14:55 Shane-S           I don't see how the entire description is needed for a "labels" module
14:54 chris_n           so to please all of the people all of the time, that's how it ended up
14:54 chris_n           there were some differences of opinion as to what should be available or what needed to be available
14:54 Shane-S           the script is bloated?
14:54 chris_n           well, the problem is larger than that sadly
14:54 Shane-S           It was just quicker to fetch it all :P
14:53 Shane-S           chris_n: yeah, I can trim the fat of the branches down easily. I can look into trimming it all if you like.
14:53 Shane-S           Have it at home now...just have to learn it :D
14:53 chris_n           that select really returns way too much data
14:53 oleonard          We'll continue to peer-pressure you about git Shane-S ;)
14:52 chris_n           that entire bit of code needs to be cleaned up
14:52 chris_n           Shane-S: all fields from the branches table should be available, although probably not all are useful
14:52 Shane-S           kk ty
14:52 magnuse           Shane-S: i think git is preferred, but ask nengard when she shows up
14:51 magnuse           oops https://lists.koha-community.org/ (with https, not http) is giving some nasty security warnings
14:51 Shane-S           magnuse: ty, still learning git, so can I just copy it manually then email the change in or is it patched via git as well?
14:51 * oleonard        whines
14:51 oleonard          Why can't logged-in users search using tags they've added but which are not approved?
14:50 magnuse           Shane-S: http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-docs
14:50 magnuse           Shane-S: if you want to change the documentation you can clone http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=summaryand submit patches to the documentation mailing list
14:43 * jcamins_away    heads off to 66th and Lex.
14:41 Shane-S           I mean I wanted that change, only fair I help submit the new fields :)
14:39 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Give option to use description for homebranch/holding branch in label creator instead of the branchcode
14:39 Shane-S           I just want to submit further documentation on the fields usable by the patch chris_n release to bug 7615 if I determine more work
14:39 cait              Shane-S: if you want to submit code - add a bug - then add your patch to it :)
14:37 oleonard          nengard is documentation manager
14:37 Shane-S           it should allow all the fields in the branches table "I think". I have to test it, so I was curious how I can submit that, would that be a "bug" submission as well
14:37 oleonard          Shane-S: Check the "About Koha" page, "Koha Team" tab, "Koha Release Team" section
14:36 Shane-S           I see chris_n modified the files to enable branches, I will have to apply those changes, but it should allow more then just branchname
14:36 wahanui           hmmm... documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
14:36 cait              documentation?
14:36 cait              ?
14:36 wahanui           yes, cait?
14:36 cait              wahanui
14:36 cait              Shane-S: do you mean documentation?
14:35 Shane-S           who does the documentation management?
14:28 magnuse           yup :-)
14:28 jcamins_away      magnuse: for people, too!
14:27 magnuse           probably past the retirement age
14:27 cait              and opera :)
14:27 jcamins_away      Not old for people, but old for wiring.
14:26 jcamins_away      cait: it's the same age as my grandparents!
14:26 jcamins_away      cait: very.
14:26 cait              I can download firefox for my phone!
14:26 cait              oh cool
14:25 cait              old?
14:23 jcamins_away      I asked druthb about it, and she agreed.
14:21 jcamins_away      Unfortunately, I opened up the fuse box yesterday and said "oh ****, they're going to have to punch holes in all our walls and replace the wiring."
14:20 jcamins_away      oleonard: yeah, the next guy is coming in four hours.
14:20 oleonard          jcamins_away: Second opinion? New wiring is all well and good, but contractors have a bad habit of automatically rejecting other people's work.
14:14 cait              oh ouch
14:14 jcamins_away      He looked at the fuse box and said "this is going to be a problem... we need to punch holes in all your walls to replace the wiring.
14:13 Shane-S           morning :)
14:13 jcamins_away      But it's a lot of money.
14:13 jcamins_away      Actually, it seems like a great deal.
14:13 jcamins_away      Yeah.
14:11 cait              the contractor?
14:11 cait              :(
14:09 jcamins_away      It's so expensive!
14:09 jcamins_away      Augh!
14:04 cait              hide the record
14:04 cait              that are hidden
14:04 cait              if you have a record with items
14:04 cait              but I still think it should
14:04 cait              yes
13:58 magnuse           because it was hiding e-books and periodicals
13:58 magnuse           hiding records without items was a bug and that got fixed
13:58 magnuse           no the other way around, as i understand it
13:58 cait              now the question is, why it doesn't work for youu
13:58 cait              so there is logic to hide the record too
13:57 cait              yes, that's the one I was thinking about
13:57 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 critical, P2, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , opachiddenitems not working in master
13:57 magnuse           cait: looks like bug 6488 was hiding records without items, but that was fixed
13:47 magnuse           i'm testing on master from last night, at least
13:47 magnuse           dunno
13:46 cait              there was a recent change because it also hid serials and ebooks and things... perhaps this is a side effect ?
13:46 cait              Ithought it would because there was a lot of discussion about the numbering in search results having holes for the records that are not shown
13:45 cait              hmm
13:45 magnuse           cait: doesn't seem to work that way - this record has one item that is hidden with OpacHiddenItems: http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=344
13:42 magnuse           ah, i'll check!
13:42 cait              it should hide the record too - with the last item - but miht be wrong about that
13:42 cait              with the new pref
13:42 cait              I think if oyu hide the items
13:42 magnuse           is there a way to hide whole records from the opac, not just items? (i don't think there is, but i might be missing something)
13:38 cait              lots of travelling in march :)
13:37 cait              oleonard: travelling back from munich where I had a presentation
13:36 oleonard          Hi cait, you're cait early today :)
13:33 cait              hi oleonard
13:31 oleonard          Thanks marcelr
13:29 marcelr           oleonard: the pref in 3516 was no problem for me (marked it passed qa at the time..)
13:28 marcelr           hi oleonard
13:28 oleonard          Hi #koha
12:58 marcelr           same
12:58 jcamins_away      Have a good day, #koha.
12:58 jcamins_away      Okay, time to get ready to go.
12:54 magnuse           guten tag cait
12:54 cait              hi magnuse :)
12:53 magnuse           good plan!
12:53 jcamins_away      Right.
12:52 marcelr           3. Push
12:52 jcamins_away      marcelr: "1. Look at code. 2. Mark passed QA"
12:52 marcelr           jcamins++ schuster++
12:52 magnuse           schuster++
12:52 cait              I still have the data but not tested :(
12:52 magnuse           and a "push to master" plan?
12:52 cait              schuster++
12:51 marcelr           did you also provide a qa plan :-)
12:51 marcelr           good
12:51 * magnuse         cheers and applauds for bug 7284
12:51 jcamins_away      I delivered.
12:51 jcamins_away      wizzyrea requested a test plan.
12:51 jcamins_away      Yup.
12:51 marcelr           was that the patch with huge test plan ;)
12:50 * jcamins_away    will do that for him.
12:50 jcamins_away      But forgot to change the status.
12:50 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
12:50 jcamins_away      Is everyone suitably excited by the fact that schuster signed off on bug 7284?
12:49 marcelr           paul_p not around today?
12:48 marcelr           hi cait
12:48 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
12:48 cait              bug 7310
12:48 cait              hi marcelr :)
12:47 marcelr           changed only fk requirements
12:47 marcelr           hi jcamins: i do not hope so
12:47 jcamins_away      Thanks.
12:47 jcamins_away      No it doesn't.
12:47 jcamins_away      marcelr: does 7310 need a new sign off?
12:47 marcelr           hi koha
12:40 kivilahtio        thanks again
12:40 kivilahtio        well, I'll note that
12:40 kivilahtio        we have a free ePayment and personal verification service here in Finalnd
12:39 kivilahtio        we already have open source web stores
12:39 kivilahtio        but it is not such a biggie to implement
12:39 kivilahtio        ok
12:39 cait              or you can use sip
12:39 kivilahtio        like paypal or some bank services?
12:38 cait              same thing, koha can only do manual payments
12:38 cait              so not sure how much it can do
12:38 cait              it's only a recent development though
12:38 kivilahtio        how about epayments?
12:38 cait              you can use sip for payment machines? (how do you call that in english?)
12:38 cait              to do that
12:38 kivilahtio        I'll make a proposal about that to our leaders, about cutting the Gordian knot
12:38 cait              kivilahtio: I think you can use sip to integrate third party applications to koha
12:37 kivilahtio        yeah, its a big issue
12:37 jcamins_away      That seems like a whole kettle of fish that we don't want to deal with.
12:37 kivilahtio        SIP
12:37 kivilahtio        hmm
12:37 jcamins_away      Not to my knowledge.
12:37 jcamins_away      kivilahtio: you can use SIP for that, though.
12:37 kivilahtio        jcamins_away: any plans?
12:37 jcamins_away      kivilahtio: no.
12:37 kivilahtio        from OPAC
12:37 kivilahtio        does Koha support credit card payments?
12:36 jcamins_away      schuster++
12:34 jcamins_away      cait++
12:34 jcamins_away      Yay!
12:34 cait              I think it was ok
12:34 cait              hm
12:32 jcamins_away      How did your presentation go? :)
12:32 cait              on a train, hope the connection will work
12:31 jwagner           hi cait
12:31 cait              hi :)
12:31 kivilahtio        hi cait!
12:31 cait              hi #koha
09:17 huginn            Amit_Gupta: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Patch doesn't apply , Koha's OAI-PMH does not support sets
09:17 Amit_Gupta        @bug 6440
09:12 Amit_Gupta        heya clrh_
09:05 clrh_             hello all
08:43 gaetan_B          hi Amit_Gupta :)
08:29 Amit_Gupta        heya gaetan_B
08:14 gaetan_B          ohayo wahanui and magnuse ;)
08:14 julian_m          hi magnuse :)
08:14 magnuse           bonjour gaetan_B and julian_m
08:13 wahanui           niihau, gaetan_B
08:13 gaetan_B          hello
08:01 magnuse           hm, rather cool?
08:01 huginn            magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 5.0°C (8:30 AM CET on February 29, 2012). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
08:01 magnuse           @wunder marseille
08:01 magnuse           yay
08:01 huginn            magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Falling).
08:01 magnuse           @wunder boo
08:00 magnuse           kia ora #koha
07:48 wahanui           hola, reiveune
07:48 reiveune          hello
07:16 drojf             good morning #koha
07:16 alex_a            heya Amit_Gupta
07:16 Amit_Gupta        heya alex_a
07:11 alex_a            bonjour koha
04:01 huginn            druthb: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 13.0°C (10:00 PM CST on February 28, 2012). Conditions: Heavy Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1000.9 hPa (Rising).  Tornado Watch 41 in effect until 1 am CST Wednesday... 
04:01 druthb            @wunder 66046
04:01 druthb            heckuva storm in Lawrence, KS right now.  100 kph winds, amazingly heavy rain, and 2.5 cm hailstones reported just outside the city.
03:34 bag               heya Amit_Gupta
03:30 Amit_Gupta        heya bag
02:28 druthb            o/
00:43 eternalsword      my current work is up at https://github.com/eternalsword/koha in the f1 branch
00:42 * chris_n         waves goodnight
00:42 eternalsword      Fellowship One has blessed my use of their API.  I just need to make a few minor adjustments and it should be ready for inclusion in koha.
00:39 huginn            chris_n: The operation succeeded.
00:39 chris_n           @later tell wizzyrea and if you have time to sign off on bug 7615, I'd send along lots of chocolate
00:39 eternalsword      rework is done.  won't be making that mistake again.
00:38 huginn            chris_n: The operation succeeded.
00:38 chris_n           @later tell wizzyrea if there are fields advertised which do not print on labels in the current head, I'd be obliged if you'd open a bug for it; thanks
00:36 * chris_n         was thinking it must be getting late by now :)
00:35 chris_n           really
00:35 eythian_bucklame  a lot later...
00:35 huginn            chris_n: rangi was last seen in #koha 4 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <rangi> bbl
00:35 chris_n           @seen rangi
00:35 chris_n           cait-m still up?
00:34 eythian_bucklame  cait-m: go to bed!
00:34 chris_n           wizzyrea about?
00:34 Space_Librarian   hey cait-m
00:29 cait-m            hi koha