IRC log for #koha, 2011-12-10

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07:53 rangi nz gets its first deaf member of parliament
08:36 bag wow
08:36 bag hey there rangi
08:36 rangi heya
08:36 rangi mojo mathers .. great name too
08:36 rangi 14 green mps, shes the 14th
08:37 bag yup that's a great name
08:37 bag alright - I'm going to bed
08:37 bag night dood
08:37 rangi sleep well
08:37 bag you too man
08:38 * bag is going to dream :D
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10:30 mbalmer good day everyone!
10:30 * mbalmer is new to koha and this channel.
10:37 rangi you wont find many people about on the weekend
10:37 rangi most are sleeping at the moment
10:43 mbalmer from which continents are most people?  (I am from Switzerland)
10:44 rangi all over the world
10:53 magnus_away is now known as magnus_afk
10:53 * magnus_afk is in norway
10:53 magnus_afk ...and good morning #koha
10:53 rangi im in nz, and about to go to sleep
10:54 * magnus_afk wishes rangi a good night
10:57 rangi magnus_afk: before i go did you see this[…]rds-as-open-data/
10:58 magnus_afk nope, but yay!
11:00 * rangi wanders off
11:00 magnus_afk see ya!
11:08 * magnus_afk wanders off too
11:20 BobB hi mbalmer - welcome to #koha
11:25 mbalmer hey BobB!
11:26 BobB You'll find more people here during the week.  The channel is very active.
11:27 BobB I am in Australia.  And I am also heading off to bed soon.
11:27 BobB rangi keeps later hours than I do.  :)
11:28 mbalmer well, I don't have any pressing questions or problems (yet) ;)
11:28 BobB When you do, this is a good place to get help.  The mailing list is also very active.
11:29 mbalmer it will eventually happen...
11:29 BobB heh, hopefully not too soon.  :)
11:30 BobB Well, I hope Koha meets your needs.  Enjoy your experience of it!
11:32 BobB Good night now.
11:42 mbalmer cu!
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12:57 drojf good day #koha
13:02 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
13:03 drojf i have a (probably stupid) git question. i used the wiki pages to install debian packages, have a local git repository now and pointed koha towards that. but i was wondering when i will work with different branches to work on different features… how can i test different branches in koha? how do i activate a certain branch to test it? is that just done by changing the branch in git?
13:05 jcamins drojf: if you have a git install, all you have to do to chane branches is `git checkout different_branch`
13:06 drojf magic :) thanks!
13:14 jcamins I don't suppose you happen to know how to do a checkbox in HTML?
13:14 jcamins <input type='checkbox' />. Never mind.
13:17 mbalmer my first koha install is a fail, staff interface works, opacs doesn't (although I assigned different IP adresses to them)
13:17 jcamins mbalmer: what doesn't work about it?
13:18 jcamins mbalmer: drojf: also, I should point out that there are a lot more people around to offer help during the week. :)
13:21 drojf jcamins: but i am ill and bored now! ;)
13:21 jcamins drojf: fair enough.
13:22 drojf but you are right. i have not been here often, but i have never seen it this quiet.
13:24 jcamins It tends to just be me on the weekends.
13:26 mbalmer jcamins, I installed 3.4 as per the docs on the wiki, ona dedicated machine, and more or less followed the instructions. nicely presente the staff loging, but does not display the opac, but only an "It worked" page from apache.
13:27 jcamins mbalmer: using the packages?
13:27 wahanui i think using the packages is better anyway
13:27 mbalmer must be a pretty obvious mistake I made somewhere, but did not yet find by looking at the apache config files.
13:27 drojf mbalmer: have you disabled the 000-default site in apache?
13:28 mbalmer yes, I was using a koha-common packages and used koha-create.  No I did not disable 000-....
13:28 jcamins ^^ what drojf said.
13:28 drojf sudo a2dissite 000-default
13:28 jcamins mbalmer: sudo a2dissite 000-default
13:28 drojf should help
13:28 drojf faster ;)
13:29 mbalmer I just removed it ;)
13:29 mbalmer oh and yes, I owe you beer now ;)
13:29 drojf yeah, beer :)
13:30 mbalmer now I can play.. nice.
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14:13 jcamins @later tell gmcharlt Is there any reason not to move C4::UploadedFile to Koha::UploadedFile? It has no dependencies.
14:13 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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15:51 * jcamins waves to trea.
15:51 trea o/
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16:14 jcamins chris_n: for the record, there is such a thing as too much error handling. :P
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16:31 magnus_afk \o
16:32 jcamins o/
16:32 jcamins gmcharlt++ # UploadedFile is nifty!
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16:34 * magnus_afk wanders off again to prepare some arctic char for dinner
16:36 jcamins The rarest fish species in Britain!
16:42 * jcamins curses the handle_dir code again.
17:15 jcamins Does anyone know how to run perlcritic?
17:35 magnus_afk[…]ic/bin/perlcritic ?
17:35 magnus_afk --brutal | --cruel | --harsh | --stern | --gentle
17:35 magnus_afk tee hee ;-)
17:35 jcamins magnus_afk: right. It doesn't seem to exist, though.
17:36 magnus_afk oops?
17:36 jcamins And the instructions assume that it does.
17:37 magnus_afk when i try to run perlcritic on ubuntu i'm told to install libperl-critic-perl
17:37 jcamins Thanks.
17:37 jcamins I'll try that.
17:37 jcamins When I tried to run it, I just got an error.
17:37 jcamins (that there was no such program)
17:37 magnus_afk ah
17:37 magnus_afk i think it comes with Perl::Critic
17:38 jcamins magnuse++
17:38 magnus_afk yay ;-)
17:39 magnus_afk "my work here is done" he said, and wandered off again
17:40 jcamins :)
17:40 jcamins Mine is nearly done... now I just have to add local cover images to the intranet.
17:46 trea is now known as trea-away
17:56 jcamins Jeez. This patch is 60K, and as it turns out, I rewrote almost every single line.
17:57 * jcamins considers putting the images in a tab in the staff client rather than just sort of hanging out in the middle of the page the way the Amazon covers do.
17:59 * jcamins wishes someone were around to give him feedback on whether that was a good idea or not.
17:59 * jcamins decides the lack of feedback means that everyone thinks his ideas are so awesome, they are shocked into silence by their brilliance.
18:00 * drojf1 likes tabs
18:00 jcamins drojf1++ # for providing feedback
18:00 jcamins :)
18:00 drojf1 :)
18:01 jcamins Here's what I don't like:
18:01 jcamins I want to add another tab next to "Descriptions" that includes that.
18:03 drojf1 yes, please. it looks quite ugly like in the screenshot
18:03 * drojf1 never turned on covers
18:03 drojf1 is now known as drojf
18:04 * jcamins never turned them on in the intranet either.
18:13 drojf you don't know how to decide on an "att" nr. in zebras bib1.att by any chance? there are a lot in that file, but if i would like to add one, do i just use a number that is not in the list?
18:13 jcamins drojf: check that the bib1 attribute set doesn't already have a number assigned for what you want, then, if it doesn't, just make up a large number.
18:15 jcamins Okay, now to make the tab not be the one that's open by default...
18:15 drojf what does "large" mean here? >10000? i have up to 9520 here i think, but my file is old
18:15 jcamins >6000
18:15 jcamins <10000
18:15 drojf ok, thanks
18:15 jcamins I recommend the 9xxx range.
18:15 jcamins If possible, I use 9{MARC_TAG}
18:16 drojf that is a nice idea, thanks
18:16 drojf why does the tab open by default if you just added it?
18:16 jcamins drojf: good question!
18:17 jcamins drojf: if I knew how jQuery worked, I'd be much faster at this sort of thing. ;)
18:17 drojf i added one for html audio/video streaming in my test installation and i had to search a whil euntil it DID open by default ;)
18:17 jcamins Hmmm... how did you make it open by default?
18:17 jcamins Maybe I can make it *not* open by default by reversing the process.
18:18 drojf heh, good question. wait
18:18 drojf oh, but it was in opac, so probably its all completely different there
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18:18 jcamins Bah. Probably so. :(
18:21 jcamins Oh, never mind.
18:21 jcamins That was entirely user error.
18:21 jcamins I didn't notice that the URL was reloading over and over was the direct link to the image tab.
18:21 drojf oh
18:22 drojf :)
18:22 cait hi drojf :)
18:22 cait hi jcamins :)
18:22 drojf hi cait :)
18:24 jcamins *I was reloading
18:24 jcamins Heh.
18:24 jcamins Fortunately that only took ten minutes of my day. ;)
18:24 jcamins Hi cait.
18:24 wahanui Hi cait. are you looking at the rwc final?
18:24 * drojf is off to get some train tickets
18:24 cait to Konstanz? ;)
18:25 drojf heh, no to hannover for christmas
18:25 drojf i hope university will buy us tickets to konstanz ;)
18:27 cait ah
18:27 cait :)
18:27 cait you are from hannover?
18:28 drojf yes, kind of. from the village ;)
18:28 drojf hannover-land
18:28 cait ah
18:29 drojf is now known as drojafk
18:30 jcamins Here's the new look:
18:30 jcamins cait: what do you think?
18:31 jcamins (I'm aware that the box doesn't go around the images; I'm working on that)
18:31 cait cold and tired?
18:32 cait heh
18:32 jcamins The pictures make you cold and tired? :(
18:32 cait if the box goes around the images it will be all right
18:32 cait no
18:32 jcamins Good. :)
18:32 cait I was at the christmas market with a friend
18:32 cait and at the cinema
18:32 cait and ... everywhere
18:32 cait and it was raining all the time
18:32 cait and now we are tired and waiting that one of us gives up and makes dinner
18:33 jcamins Heh.
18:47 jcamins What are you going to have for dinner?
18:47 cait spaghetti with pesto and some fish
18:49 magnus_afk jcamins: that last screenshot looks good
18:50 magnus_afk so multiple images per record? pretty cool!
18:50 jcamins magnus_afk: yep.
18:51 * jcamins considers adding an Images tab on the OPAC too.
18:51 jcamins It was pretty easy...
18:51 * jcamins does it.
18:53 magnus_afk hehe
18:53 magnus_afk could have one main picture showing up front and others in a tab?
18:53 magnus_afk is this based on kmkale's work, or from scratch?
18:53 jcamins That's the way it is in the OPAC, yeah.
18:53 jcamins This is based on kmkale's work in the sense that I started out by applying his patch.
18:53 jcamins This is from scratch in the sense that I don't think I kept a single line, other than a few comments.
18:54 magnus_afk wow
18:55 jcamins (and while I may be exaggerating a little, I'm pretty sure it's not very much... I completely changed the way one retrieves images, changed the database structure, and rewrote the interface routines)
18:55 magnus_afk sounds like busy saturday!
18:55 jcamins I did most of it Thursday.
18:55 magnus_afk ah, ok
18:56 jcamins If it weren't for stupid Javascript, I would've been done Thursday.
18:56 magnus_afk ouch
18:56 magnus_afk submitting a patch soon, then?
18:57 magnus_afk i know the naval academy will be overjoyed about this
18:57 jcamins Yep.
18:57 jcamins Who?
18:57 magnus_afk they use koha for lending computer equipment, and have been asking about the possibility of having pics of their gear
18:57 jcamins Ah.
18:57 jcamins Yeah, very doable.
18:58 jcamins As for whether people really want to look at pictures of power bricks, I couldn't say.
18:58 jcamins ;)
18:58 magnus_afk the Royal Norwegian Naval Academy is my first and biggest customer ;-)
18:58 magnus_afk hehe
18:58 jcamins magnus_afk: very cool. Just don't tell them that no one finds pictures of power bricks interesting. ;)
18:59 magnus_afk i won't
18:59 magnus_afk i think it's more to do with finding the equipment and making sure the right stuff is returned, though... ;-)
18:59 magnus_afk the metadata is, um, sketchy... ;-)
18:59 jcamins Heh.
19:01 magnus_afk the library is not really involved in that part of koha, they have a separate branch for it and one for the library
19:01 magnus_afk s/for it/for IT/
19:04 jcamins magnus_afk:
19:04 jcamins The image viewer requires styling, but I'm trying to bribe oleonard with cookies.
19:05 magnus_afk that looks cool!
19:06 magnus_afk can you click on images to view them larger?
19:06 jcamins Yep.
19:06 jcamins That would be the image viewer that requires styling.
19:06 magnus_afk ah, very cool!
19:06 jcamins And believe you me, it *desperately* needs styling.
19:07 magnus_afk hehe
19:07 jcamins But there are some things I can do, and some things I can't, and styling a new page falls into the latter category.
19:07 magnus_afk i doubt oleonard will be able to keep his hands off it ;-)
19:11 * jcamins thinks of another necessary addition.
19:12 * magnus_afk is curious
19:13 jcamins "View record image was attached to"
19:13 magnus_afk was?
19:14 jcamins In the upload tool.
19:14 * cait wishes she would find a way to connect her phone with her laptop
19:14 magnus_afk ah, so upload a picture and when that is done, view the record?
19:14 jcamins Right.
19:14 jcamins Provide a link, anyway.
19:14 magnus_afk cait: usb?
19:15 magnus_afk jcamins: cool (and yes, i was thinking about a link, i guess)
19:15 cait no cable
19:15 cait bluetooth as the plan... but doesn't want to wokr
19:15 magnus_afk :-(
19:16 * jcamins needs to write a test plan.
19:16 magnus_afk test_plan++
19:28 * magnus_afk wanders off
19:29 * jcamins submits his counter-patch.
19:31 jcamins Oy.
19:31 jcamins That was quite a patch.
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19:34 adminacct jcamins, ++
19:34 * adminacct is will test the patch on monday
19:34 adminacct s/is//
19:34 adminacct is now known as indradg
19:44 jcamins indradg: thanks!
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20:34 SchulzLibrary Is there currently a problem with the Koha server? I'm unable to use my account.
20:35 jcamins SchulzLibrary: you'll need to talk with your service provider.
20:35 jcamins Or do you mean the website?
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20:36 SchulzLibrary It's not an ISP issue. I'm unable to connect to the Koha server.
20:36 jcamins SchulzLibrary: what Koha server?
20:36 jcamins You must have someone hosting the Koha server you're trying to connect to, right?
20:37 SchulzLibrary I'm unsure who is hosting, but the IP address is
20:37 jcamins SchulzLibrary: are you Caitlin?
20:37 SchulzLibrary I've been unable to connect for a while.
20:38 jcamins SchulzLibrary: no one here has access to your Koha server.
20:38 SchulzLibrary No, but this is Caitlin's library.
20:38 SchulzLibrary I understand that.
20:38 jcamins There is *nothing* anyone other than Caitlin or whoever set it up can do.
20:38 SchulzLibrary Thanks.
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20:39 cait ?
20:39 jcamins cait: self-hosted library.
20:40 jcamins Even if s/he wanted to pay me, I couldn't do anything without getting the passwords from Caitlin, the librarian.
20:40 rangi that was random
20:40 jcamins rangi: a bit.
20:43 jcamins rangi: good morning.
20:45 mbalmer so I got OPAC and Staff Interface running.  At least that is something.
20:45 rangi morning
20:45 jcamins mbalmer: hooray!
20:45 jcamins mbalmer++
20:45 mbalmer with the help of good folks here, I should add.
20:46 jcamins #koha++
20:47 mbalmer stogram_vodkata++
20:48 * jcamins is pretty sure that that doesn't mean what his initial interpretation of that suggested.
20:48 * jcamins tried Googling and didn't get any results.
20:51 jcamins mbalmer: does that actually mean "100 grams of Vodka," or is the similarity to South Slavic coincidental?
20:51 cait hi mbalmer
20:52 mbalmer jcamins, yes it means just that.
20:52 cait mbalmer: where are you from?
20:52 mbalmer and, hi cait ;)
20:54 jcamins mbalmer: cool! I love it when I understand things.
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21:26 * jcamins contemplates oatmeal chocolate nobakes.
21:28 cait yum
21:29 jcamins We have fake peanut butter, so oatmeal chocolate no bakes, here I come!
21:31 dzho fake peanut butter?
21:32 dzho someone allergic?
21:35 jcamins dzho: no, organic peanut butter doesn't have enough chemicals to keep the no bakes from disintegrating.
21:35 jcamins However, I have a bigger problem: only 1 cup of oats!
21:35 cait uh
21:35 jcamins (and they're not on sale)
21:36 jcamins Ooh! Maybe I should try something with saltines!
21:37 jcamins Something along these lines, only on the stovetop: http://oneordinaryday.wordpres[…]-saltine-cookies/
21:39 jcamins Hm.
21:39 jcamins I'm not seeing any stovetop options.
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22:31 jcamins Welp. That's weird.
22:31 jcamins @later tell wizzyrea If you ever want to make saltine-chocolate toffees, make sure that your brown sugar isn't dried out. If it is dried out, the result is... weird.
22:31 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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