IRC log for #koha, 2011-11-29

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00:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7140] Add item type description on the catalogue search and detail screens <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7140>
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02:07 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.6.1 & 3.4.6 are now available ; Next General IRC Meeting 7 December 2011 at 18:00 UTC+0  | |
02:07 chris_n thar tis
02:08 rangi chris_n++
02:09 chris_n automation++
02:09 rangi did 6629 not make it in?
02:16 chris_n 3 6629 patches made it in
02:16 chris_n and one 6628
02:16 rangi ah, just didnt see it in the release notes
02:16 chris_n hmm
02:16 chris_n automation--
02:18 rangi hehe
02:18 rangi nice work anyway :)
02:21 chris_n weirdness
02:21 chris_n try this:
02:21 chris_n[…]C&query_based_on=
02:21 chris_n in the "Content:" line I see 6629
02:21 chris_n but in the list it does not appear
02:22 rangi how odd
02:22 chris_n bugzilla bug?
02:22 chris_n but that's why its not in the release notes
02:22 rangi could be
02:22 rangi ahh makes sense
02:22 chris_n hmm
02:22 chris_n several bug #'s appear multiple times in the search string
02:23 chris_n none of those appear in the lsit
02:23 chris_n list
02:23 chris_n I can fix that on my end, but I'd think BZ's search would handle that
02:23 rangi hmm
02:23 rangi yeah that is odd
02:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #4: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]job/Koha_3.6.x/4/
02:25 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Sanitizing input from language cookie
02:25 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up to trap vuln in webinstaller and fixing the error
02:25 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up, sanitising in a couple more places
02:25 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6628 : Stopping a potential vulnerability
02:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6629 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , [security] insecure use of Cookie for language selection
02:25 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to
02:25 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for
02:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6628 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , [security] help system use insecure REFERRER for file inclusion
02:30 chris_n still no joy
02:30 chris_n[…]C&query_based_on=
02:31 rangi weird
02:34 chris_n seems to be a malformed query
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02:40 chris_n fixed
02:40 chris_n I pushed an updated copy of the release notes, but they'll be incorrect in the tarballs
02:41 rangi ahh that oughta be ok, we could change the one on .. and i think that would be fine
02:42 * chris_n will do it now
02:43 jenkins_koha Starting build 5 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
02:44 chris_n fixed there too
02:44 chris_n ouch
02:44 chris_n now utf8 is screwed up again
02:45 * chris_n has spent too much time working on the script
02:46 chris_n ok, folks, sleepy time
02:46 rangi sleep well
03:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #5: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]job/Koha_3.6.x/5/
03:24 jenkins_koha chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for
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03:35 AmitG heya rangi, Robin
03:35 eythian hello AmitG
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04:48 Guest18653 hi all
04:49 Guest18653 hope this messages finds you well.
04:50 Guest18653 i am trying to install the latest koha 3.6 with ubuntu 11.10 but have found that I am getting a mysql_config error on the cpan component while installing DBD::mysql.
04:50 Guest18653 If you guys can help that will be great as I find the installation is the same as with the liblime koha. thanks for your help in advance.
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05:07 rangi what distribution of linux are u installing on?
05:07 rangi ahh ubuntu
05:08 rangi follow the INSTALL.ubuntu document
05:08 rangi u shouldn't need to cpan anything
05:08 rangi sudo apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl
05:08 rangi for that one
05:09 rangi but if u really want to cpan it on, which I wouldn't recommend u need
05:10 rangi sudo apt-get install mysql-client
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05:14 Oak hello #koha
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05:34 cait morning #koha
05:42 Oak hello miss cait :)
05:42 cait hello mr oak :)
05:43 Oak need to make a presentation now for the project...
05:47 cait oh
05:47 cait have you figured out the other things?
05:50 Oak kind of. at the risk of being wrong however.
05:50 Oak decided to make a public library.
05:50 Oak and said Capital Development Authority and Ministry of Education will provide the funding
05:51 Oak and in conclusion, wrote that the library will work on alternative funding options to decrease its dependence on government funding...
05:51 Oak Brooke has kindly offered to help though :) i just emailed her the things
05:54 indradg gmcharlt, ping
05:55 Guest18653 hmmm i c..
05:56 indradg rangi, around?
05:57 Guest18653 perhaps we should not include that in the INSTALL.ubuntu 2.4 it says Install DB::mysql  perl module
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06:02 indradg folks... i need to build an union catalog using Koha... well sort of... so was wondering if I can pick on the collective brains
06:03 indradg the basic scenario is this - there are 20 something libraries on Koha 3.4 (version can be upgraded) being installed on their local on-premise servers
06:04 indradg these servers are independent of each other at the moment
06:04 indradg now, the management wants to build a central facility that will do the following
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06:05 Oak electricity...
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06:05 indradg (a) allow someone to see a search conducted across all 20+ libraries
06:06 indradg (b) allow them to centrally see (as well as over an unified OPAC) how many of these items (that was sought) are out in circulation along with their holding branch
06:06 indradg (c) centrally retrieve circulation data and reporting
06:07 Judit 1library 20 branches?
06:08 indradg (d) have a way for the central mgmt to see who is working on which module at the libraries
06:12 cait indradg: not sure about that - seems a bit hard to do with different installatons
06:14 indradg cait, what they are looking at would require some serious customizations imo
06:14 cait yes
06:14 cait what is the main reason to keep them on different installations?
06:15 indradg uncertain nature of broadband connectivity in india
06:15 cait seems like all they want is what you would normally do with a consortia
06:15 cait hm
06:16 indradg so even if the connection is down, they need the local library to go on functioning and re-sync / update the master
06:16 indradg when the connection is restored
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06:36 cait indradg: sorry, not alot of ideas about that
06:37 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:37 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.1�C (7:29 AM CET on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady).
06:37 cait hm cold
06:45 indradg cait, np :)
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06:59 rangi hmm that would be a huge amount of development
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07:34 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:35 rangi hi magnuse
07:35 alex_a hello rangi
07:35 alex_a hello magnuse
07:36 rangi heya alex_a
07:36 magnuse hiya rangi and alex_a and cait
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07:41 reiveune hello
07:41 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
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07:48 cait morning magnuse and reiveune :)
07:48 cait and morning paul_p
07:48 cait and bbiab
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07:48 reiveune hi cait, magnuse, and everybody :)
07:49 reiveune :-/
07:49 indradg hiya reiveune
07:50 reiveune hiya ;-)
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08:06 asaurat hi!
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08:09 julian_m hi all
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08:10 sophie_m hello #koha
08:10 hdl hi
08:11 rangi hi france
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08:13 francharb hi
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08:14 kf back
08:14 rangi wb
08:20 fredericd kf: Do you have your last German translation in 3.6.1?
08:21 kf fredericd: sorry, not sure what you are asking?
08:21 kf I worked with pootle to translate the files up there, didn't upload anything new
08:21 kf I checked them locally for fatal errors but all seemed ok, so I didn't do more than that
08:22 fredericd I'm not sure that last .po files have been added to 3.6.x branch
08:22 kf ah
08:22 kf that could well be
08:22 kf perhaps been forgotten :(
08:22 fredericd I don't see a commit for that
08:22 fredericd maybe
08:22 kf yeah, I didn't see one either
08:22 rangi nope, it was released fast because of 6628 and 6629
08:23 rangi 6628 being the really nasty one for 3.6.x
08:23 fredericd I understand, I've seen
08:24 fredericd ++ to everybody involved in patching that security hole in the hurry...
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08:24 indradg as per Koha 3.4 schema is action_logs the table for maintaining audit trails?
08:24 rangi ++ to the security people who emailed me too
08:28 indradg rangi, ^^
08:29 rangi thats it indradg
08:30 indradg but all the modules of Koha like setting up of basic params or say currency etc does not log anything to that table, does it?
08:31 rangi nope
08:31 rangi a lot of things are logged
08:31 rangi but not everything
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09:09 indradg rangi, so, if I want to add logging / audit trails to every other module that does not have it, it is simply including and calling the logaction() with the desired 4 parameters?
09:10 indradg or is there something else that I should pay attention to?
09:10 indradg FWIW, I added logging to the currency modification and it seems to be working
09:11 kf perhaps make a bug?
09:11 rangi yeah
09:11 kf a super bug to add more logging and smaller bugs for each feature?
09:11 kf so can get tested and into koha
09:11 magnuse kf++
09:11 rangi thatd be the way to do it
09:11 rangi and a way to turn them on and off, like the other logging
09:11 kf yep
09:12 kf system preferences under logs
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09:24 indradg kf++
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09:27 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7275] Pagination lost when click in the option "Show more" of facets column <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7275>
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09:35 Oak presentation done \o/
09:35 magnuse yay
09:35 Oak :)
09:35 Oak magnuse
09:36 magnuse Oak
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10:12 magnuse ooh, wish i was at
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10:16 magnuse oh my, there's a live stream
10:16 Judit shall i click on this?:)
10:17 magnuse only if you are interested in semantic web in libraries
10:17 Judit hm
10:17 Judit let me see
10:18 magnuse it's a german conference, but most of the talks are in english, i think
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10:29 kf oh
10:29 kf perhaps I should have told you :)
10:29 AmitG heya kf :D
10:29 kf one of my coworkers is there
10:29 kf hi AmitG
10:30 magnuse kf: cool!
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12:15 * jcamins_away grouses.
12:16 kf grouse?
12:17 jcamins_away kf: about the direct response.
12:19 kf huh?
12:19 kf ah
12:19 kf dilip
12:22 jcamins_away Yup.
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12:40 * chris_n looks in
12:40 chris_n @wunder 28334
12:40 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 9.0�C (7:15 AM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
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13:03 francharb hum
13:04 francharb i 've got a question on the patron attibutes
13:04 francharb do you know what the "allow password" option is made for?
13:04 francharb it says "Check to make it possible to associate a password with this attribute."
13:04 francharb i tried to set up one
13:05 francharb and well
13:05 francharb it's still _not_ obvious how it works
13:05 francharb :(
13:05 francharb anyone knows
13:05 francharb ?
13:06 hdl francharb: maybe gmcharlt
13:06 francharb humm
13:06 francharb thanks hdl
13:07 francharb i will try later
13:07 francharb oh no, gmcharlt is connected
13:07 francharb :)
13:08 jcamins gmcharlt is always connected. :)
13:08 francharb if by any chance, you have 2s for my question, i would be very happy gmcharlt ;)
13:08 francharb jcamins, really?
13:08 francharb ok
13:08 francharb anyway, if anyone knows, well, let me know! ;)
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13:18 kf francharb: I think all it does is  mask the input
13:18 kf francharb: making it little stars ****
13:18 kf but no encryption
13:18 kf afaik
13:18 kf hi JesseM
13:19 JesseM Hi kf!
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13:20 francharb well kf, it masks the infut when i modify the attribute but once i saved it
13:21 francharb no more ••••
13:21 francharb weird
13:21 kf bug
13:21 jwagner The password seems to serve no useful purpose -- once you've entered a password next to an attribute in a patron record, it doesn't use it to block changes to that field.
13:22 jwagner Which would seem to be the obvious purpose of it....
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13:24 francharb jwagner,  sounds logical but at the same time, as a librarian, why would i want a password protected field in the patron record?
13:25 jwagner I don't know.  I can think of a few situations where staff might not want circ desk people to change data, but the field doesn't block changes by staff with less than superlibrarian rights.
13:25 oleonard jcamins: That Koha 2.2.9 conversation unfolded exactly as predicted! :)
13:26 jcamins oleonard: I know.
13:26 oleonard The off-list reply couldn't have been more textbook
13:27 jcamins Reassuring, isn't it?
13:27 jcamins ;)
13:28 * jcamins feels like perhaps he should have said that he's available for doing the migration.
13:29 jcamins Seems like it might be a good way to dissuade further messages.
13:29 oleonard All-expenses paid.
13:30 jcamins oleonard: I meant remotely, but, hell yeah!
13:30 * jcamins packs his suitcase for a trip to India.
13:31 jcamins If only it had coincided with KohaCon. :\
13:32 francharb jcamins, i can see what you mean but if you are at the circ desk and have the privilege to modify borrowers records, then you can bypass the protection. if you dont have these privilege, well then, you can do nothing...
13:32 jcamins francharb: uhhh...
13:33 jcamins francharb: oh, you're talking to jwagner.
13:33 francharb oh sorry
13:33 francharb :(
13:33 francharb ;)
13:33 francharb autocomplete--
13:34 francharb anyway, thanks jwagner
13:34 francharb i will try to dig that later!
13:34 jwagner Sorry I couldn't help.  Looks like a feature that was never truly implemented
13:35 francharb jwagner, i think so... i will try to find more about what was the idea behind before reporting this in bugzilla ;)
13:37 jcamins Who did patron attributes?
13:37 francharb i have no idea
13:38 francharb hdl advice was to ask gmcharlt, maybe he is one who can tell us who did this
13:38 * francharb sounds dramatic
13:38 francharb hehe
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13:47 gmcharlt what's the question?
13:49 jwagner checking git blame on an older system blames that unknown person gmcharlt :-)
13:50 gmcharlt francharb: ok, I've finished reading scrollback
13:51 francharb any idea?
13:51 gmcharlt the intention of the password feature in patron attributes is simply to allow more than one login password
13:51 gmcharlt I'm sure somebody wanted that back in the day
13:51 gmcharlt but I doubt its commonly used, so I wouldn't be too surprised if it fell prey to bit rot
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13:53 francharb thanks gmcharlt, i will test it!
13:53 jwagner I just tested it, it doesn't seem to work in current head....
13:54 kf francharb: sorry, was helping a coworker - I think the idea is to store an additional field - like a pin for self check
13:55 kf francharb: and I think it should always display masked and is not related to teh other fields, only a separate password field, perhaps for another application or something
13:56 francharb thanks kf, thats what gmcharlt was just telling us!
13:56 francharb :)
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13:59 kf ah, h ad not read back yet - sorry!
14:00 francharb kf, jwagner and i tested it thinking it would give us another login/password
14:00 francharb but you make me realise
14:00 francharb that it's just a way to store a login/password
14:00 francharb for a third application
14:00 kf something that is not supposed to be seen - I think
14:00 francharb something you can export for exemple
14:00 francharb yep
14:01 kf but should be masked everywhere to makse sense
14:01 kf I think
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14:01 jwagner gmcharlt, can SIP use that field?
14:06 gmcharlt jwagner: no, doesn't look like its hooked into any authentication mechanism at present
14:06 jwagner Oh, well.  I had an idea for it, but doesn't look like it's feasible right now. Thanks.
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14:32 oleonard Hi collum
14:34 collum Hi oleonard
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14:53 libsysguy morning #Koha
15:04 libsysguy i ran a merge this morning and it broke all kinds of stuff with hourly
15:04 libsysguy so if you happen to be running hourly…don't update
15:05 jcamins Ugh.
15:05 jcamins I hope that was on a staging server?
15:05 libsysguy negative ghost rider :-/
15:05 libsysguy I got most of them taken care of quickly
15:05 libsysguy there is one that is going to take some time to stort out
15:06 libsysguy since all date functions are moving from C4::Dates to Koha::Calendar
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15:24 huginn rhcl_away: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 16 hours, 21 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> with my fush and chups.
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15:25 kf @roulette
15:25 huginn kf: *click*
15:25 kf @roulette
15:25 huginn *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
15:25 * huginn reloads and spins the chambers.
15:48 kf bye all
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16:19 reiveune bye
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16:21 Oak kia ora #koha
16:21 Oak magnuse
16:21 jcamins Oak
16:21 Oak jcamins
16:21 Oak :)
16:22 magnuse Oak
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16:23 Oak cait left for home?
16:23 Oak i guess...
16:23 magnuse yup
16:23 Oak good :)
16:23 magnuse hehe
16:24 * Oak goes to turn on Windoze pc
16:24 magnuse beware of the dark side, Oak
16:25 jcamins Oak: she's donating blood. I imagine she'll be back in a few hours.
16:25 jcamins I think she may have the kind of blood that the blood banks always need.
16:25 jcamins That way lies madness.
16:25 jcamins And Koha 2.2.9!
16:25 wahanui koha 2.2.9 is *years* old, too
16:26 jcamins wahanui: that's right.
16:26 wahanui jcamins: what?
16:26 jcamins wahanui: that's right is <reply>I know.
16:26 wahanui OK, jcamins.
16:26 jcamins that's right.
16:26 wahanui I know.
16:26 magnuse lol
16:26 Oak aah. cool.
16:30 Oak magnuse, no worries, i'll pull the plug the moment i feel disturbance in the Force.
16:31 magnuse yay!
16:31 jcamins Oak: that's what Anakin said, and look what happened to him!
16:31 jcamins He fell into a volcano!
16:31 Oak hehe
16:31 jcamins A pity they only ever made three Star Wars movies.
16:33 * magnuse has some new for jcamins
16:33 magnuse s/new/news/
16:33 Oak when cait returns we should all give her cookies.
16:33 jcamins
16:33 gmcharlt magnuse: what you're about to tell jcamins is purely imaginary ;)
16:34 magnuse ok, better leave it alone then, perhaps
16:34 jcamins :)
16:35 magnuse lol
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16:38 Oak :-D this is very good jcamins  -> "Matrix Revisited" link....
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16:58 * magnuse had to google BOFH
16:58 jcamins magnuse: !
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17:00 magnuse bbl
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17:01 jcamins gmcharlt: Red Hat? I guess Evergreen runs on Red Hat better than Koha?
17:04 gmcharlt jcamins: well, it runs on Red Hat
17:04 gmcharlt not my personally preferred distro, but there are enough libraries who use (and mandate) RHEL to keep the Evergreen port alive
17:04 jcamins Well, that would be running better than Koha does, I think.
17:06 * collum is going to purchase the BOFH Omnibus.  Book 2. for his kindle tonight.
17:06 jcamins Bwahahahaha!
17:10 indradg whats with the BOFH on #koha... who needs a cluesbat?
17:11 indradg cluebat*
17:11 indradg @wunder kolkata
17:11 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 19.0�C (10:20 PM IST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
17:14 jcamins indradg: doesn't everyone need a cluebat?
17:14 jcamins You know what they say: "life is better when you have a big foam cluebat."
17:15 jwagner jcamins, I personally keep two bats in my office.  One is foam, but the other one isn't....
17:15 jcamins jwagner: probably wise.
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17:16 jwagner You never know when you'll need a nice emphatic baseball bat....
17:17 indradg jwagner, lol... very true
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18:24 cait hi #koha
18:24 * jcamins gives cait cookies.
18:24 cait yay!
18:25 cait I have bought fudge ingredients :)
18:25 jcamins Yay!
18:28 schuster something odd happened today and some records didn't get indexed by Zebra - so I want to "reindex" the whole thing at the end of today.  Can I just run migration_tools/ -b -a -z without stopping or starting anything in particular?
18:29 schuster I discovered some logs that needed rotation REALLY bad too.
18:29 ago43_lunch is now known as ago43
18:29 hdl schuster: yea...
18:30 hdl schuster: I wouldnot play -b -a together.
18:30 hdl Since i think it doesnot work.
18:31 jcamins -a and -b work together.
18:31 cait I didn't have any problems afaik, but not totally sure
18:31 jcamins schuster: that won't reindex.
18:31 jcamins schuster: you need -b -a -r
18:31 jcamins schuster: you have a pretty big catalog, so I would encourage you to disable the cron job.
18:31 jcamins Up until I switched to XML indexing, I always did -b and -a together.
18:31 jcamins hdl: you're thinking of -a and -x.
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18:34 libsysguy random question: I am getting an account frozen message...I managed to track down that it is being caused by the patron having the debar flag set to 0000-00-00
18:35 libsysguy it looks like all patrons are set that way unless they are actually debarred
18:35 cait there is a bug for that
18:35 cait sip?
18:35 wahanui sip is enough to make me drink stronger things than wizzyrea's usual beer. Like whiskey.
18:35 libsysguy oh is there
18:35 cait yep since yesterday
18:35 libsysguy ahh
18:35 cait it's the fine in days breaking it
18:35 hdl jcamins: the last time i used -b and -a together, i had big surprise.
18:35 cait want me to find it for you?
18:35 libsysguy grrr
18:35 cait yes
18:35 cait grrrr
18:35 hdl So... being quite conservative.
18:35 jcamins hdl: and you weren't using -x?
18:36 hdl no.
18:36 jcamins Or -w?
18:36 libsysguy i've been looking at that all day...I thoguht it was an issue with the hourl ymerge
18:36 cait libsysguy: 7272
18:36 jcamins schuster: *never* use -w
18:36 jcamins NEVER NEVER NEVER.
18:36 cait libsysguy: if you want to fix it - talk to druthb
18:36 libsysguy bug 7272
18:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7272 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fix for Bug 6328 causes user accounts to be frozen
18:36 cait libsysguy: she asked me to look at it - ubt I can't test, should be someone who can test it
18:36 jcamins You have been warned.
18:37 libsysguy haha
18:37 libsysguy well i can there a patch
18:37 cait not that I know of
18:38 cait you might want to ask someone from bywater
18:38 libsysguy kk
18:38 libsysguy cait++
18:40 schuster ok so recap stop the cron job - then using the appropriate user - migration_tools/ -b -a -r  walk away...  In the morning then reactivate the cron for update...
18:42 jcamins Right.
18:42 schuster Thanks for the advice...  We've had weird stuff here lately.  Monday before Thanksgiving the spiders hit, then today Zebra went wonky for 10 minutes ...  It is time to upgrade!  New hardware and softwre!
18:42 jcamins Woohoo!
18:45 edveal is now known as edveal-lunch
18:46 rangi morning
18:46 schuster Hey rangi great to see you...
18:47 schuster I'm just getting ready to have lunch.
18:47 rangi im just on the bus to the reserve bank (like u federal reserve)
18:48 schuster All well with your family?  I saw the note about little one staying overnight, didn't know the backstory so hope all is well.
18:48 schuster Don't rob the bank we need you...
18:48 rangi doing some koha training with them
18:48 schuster whew...
18:48 rangi ah he has chicken pox now!
18:48 rangi but that was tonsils and adenoids
18:48 schuster Oh my...  Personally never had them and neither did my grandpa... he lived to 94..
18:49 schuster Allergy problems?
18:49 rangi he still needs one more op on his stomach for reflux
18:49 schuster Oh sorry that is so hard...
18:49 rangi yeah he's a happy little chappy still
18:49 rangi so we are lucky
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18:50 schuster Thankfully both my boys have grown out of their allergy stages, we did have to do tubes in both ears.  Then he had trigger thumbs so we had to have that operated on...
18:50 rangi be nice to get it sorted tho, and get some sleep :)
18:50 rangi ahhh
18:50 schuster Yep...  I always felt so bad you can't comfort them enough when they are feeling sick.
18:51 rangi yeah
18:51 schuster well good luck with your training!  Have a great day!
18:51 rangi you too
18:56 slef reports?
18:56 slef SQL reports?
18:56 rangi ?
18:56 slef wiki?
18:56 wahanui i think wiki is
18:56 jcamins sql report library?
18:56 wahanui well, sql report library is at[…]L_Reports_Library
18:56 slef damn wahanui
18:56 slef jcamins: ta
18:56 jcamins slef: I figured that's what you were going for.
18:56 rangi slef: simon Phipps did a koha article in computerworld uk
18:57 slef rangi: :-/
18:57 slef rangi: Not seen it yet. Any good?
18:57 rangi dont have url on me
18:57 slef IIRC he's webmink?
18:57 rangi yeah not too bad
18:57 rangi yep
18:57 slef usually ok on software, bad on org
18:57 rangi could be a lot worse
18:58 rangi I think glynn moody did one too
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19:01 slef I've both them on Will grab in a mo.
19:02 cait slef: can you share the link once you found it? :)
19:02 slef cait: yeah
19:02 cait thx :)
19:03 jcamins cait++ # for making me laugh while I'm stressing about my handout for the presentation tomorrow.
19:04 cait oh
19:04 cait jcamins++ for talking with me about sweets while he has to prepare a handout! :)
19:08 rangi hmm
19:08 rangi what should I tell the students apply for the academy abot koha
19:08 cait ask for their favourite cookie flavor? ;)
19:09 rangi meeting them tonight
19:09 rangi brb bus stop
19:10 rangi time for coffee before meeting
19:10 cait :)
19:10 rangi or training I should say
19:15 rangi ok time for bacon even!
19:15 rangi brb changing to the free wifi
19:17 rangi this cafe rules!
19:17 rangi they are blasting out prince tui teka
19:17 cait heh
19:19 Oak hello miss cait :)
19:19 * Oak gives cait cookies with milk
19:19 cait oooh
19:19 cait everyone giving me cookies today!
19:19 cait and hi mr oak :)
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19:19 Oak i may have suggested it... :)
19:21 Oak you donated blood cait ?
19:21 cait um yes?
19:22 cait how do you know?
19:22 jcamins Oak was missing you, so I said you were donating blood, which was more important than being on #koha. :)
19:22 Oak hehe
19:23 cait aah
19:23 cait that makes sense :)
19:23 Oak hence the cookies
19:23 cait I got no coookies
19:23 cait but got vegetable lasagne and potato salad :)
19:23 cait after blood donation
19:24 slef is webmink's article, is glynmoody's
19:24 cait slef++
19:24 Oak slef++
19:24 slef webmink is tons wide of the mark. "Koha and Why We Need Foundations"
19:24 jcamins I need a nice collectible-related checkbox.
19:27 Oak cait, you got no cookies?
19:27 cait jcamins?
19:27 wahanui well, jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
19:27 jcamins Yes?
19:28 cait Oak: was cake or dinner, opted for dinner :)
19:28 cait no idea what you were saying
19:28 jcamins Oh.
19:28 jcamins I'm preparing a handout.
19:28 Oak okay good
19:28 jcamins It includes a checklist.
19:28 jcamins I would like the checkboxes to be something nice and collectible-related.
19:29 Oak me go now
19:29 Oak good night
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19:33 cait ah!
19:33 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.3�C (8:29 PM CET on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady).
19:34 jcamins That's pretty chilly.
19:34 jcamins @wunder 11375
19:34 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 17.9�C (2:31 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady).
19:34 rangi @wunder wellington nz
19:34 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on November 30, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady).
19:35 jcamins So... any thoughts for an appealing checkbox?
19:35 jcamins I was thinking an outline drawing of a coin, but I couldn't find any CC-licensed.
19:37 cait coin is the only idea I had too :(
19:38 jcamins Ah! The old Chinese coin with square holes!
19:38 jcamins Wu-zhu?
19:40 jcamins (I think that might be what they're called)
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20:01 * magnus_afk read that as "appaling checkbox"
20:01 magnus_afk g'nigt!
20:01 magnus_afk is now known as magnus_away
20:04 rangi cya magnus_away
20:04 chrisdothall rangi: are you training today?
20:04 rangi yup reserve bank
20:05 rangi shouldn't take the full day though I think
20:05 rangi 2nd training session
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20:06 cait hi lizzy? :)
20:06 lizzy hi :)
20:06 rangi hi lizzy
20:06 * lizzy has a nickname problem
20:06 * lizzy glares at wizzyrea
20:06 wizzyrea is now known as Guest18734
20:06 lizzy is now known as wizzyrea
20:06 chrisdothall heh
20:07 wizzyrea that's much better :)
20:07 wizzyrea what's happenin.
20:08 rangi Hehe
20:08 wizzyrea how's wee ata?
20:10 rangi remarkably well
20:10 cait :)
20:10 rangi but can't go to school
20:10 wizzyrea *nod*
20:10 rangi so annoying his mum
20:10 rangi Hehe
20:10 wizzyrea aww
20:10 chrisdothall hehe a canadian just said to me "
20:10 jcamins ''?
20:10 wahanui '' are not there, sorry
20:10 chrisdothall Ka kite ano!"
20:10 chrisdothall fail quoting.
20:11 rangi :)
20:16 cait hi chrisdothall :)
20:16 cait what does it mean?
20:16 chrisdothall cait:[…]ort_tereo_1_e.php
20:17 cait ta :)
20:19 rangi K better go
20:20 rangi Bbl
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20:36 jcamins is now known as jcamins_away
20:39 oleonard Just had someone ask me to reset their password... they thought that when I did so their browser's password auto-save would be updated with the new password :|
20:39 wizzyrea oh my
20:42 jcamins_away Wow.
20:42 ibeardslee heh
20:45 talljoy is now known as talljoy_away
20:46 schuster Finally someone else understands my pain!!
20:47 ibeardslee I used to tell people I'd email their updated login password.  A number of them said thanks .. and then called back.
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21:00 wizzyrea ibeardslee: that is pretty awesome.
21:00 wizzyrea in a trollish kind of way.
21:01 wizzyrea amusingly trollish.
21:01 jcamins_away Woohoo!
21:02 cait done?
21:02 jcamins_away Done.
21:02 jcamins_away And printed.
21:02 cait wooohoo :)
21:03 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
21:11 collum @wunder 41017
21:11 huginn collum: The current temperature in Erlanger, Kentucky is 3.8�C (4:09 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Steady).
21:15 oleonard left #koha
21:17 cait night
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21:33 maximep @wunder g2j0b4
21:33 huginn maximep: The current temperature in Lac Benoit, Quebec is -6.0�C (1:00 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: . Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
21:33 maximep so broken -_-
21:34 jcamins @wunder eh1 2ny
21:34 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 5.7�C (9:32 PM GMT on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.31 in 992.4 hPa (Steady).
21:34 jcamins Wow! I didn't know it would do that.
21:35 maximep it seems to picks a random city in Quebec for me :S
21:35 jcamins maximep: oh, it wasn't supposed to be Lac Benoit?
21:36 maximep that has exactly the same stats as Québec
21:36 jcamins @wunder g29j0b4
21:36 huginn jcamins: Error: No such location could be found.
21:36 jcamins @wunder g2j0b4
21:36 maximep @wunder g2g1t7
21:36 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Lac Benoit, Quebec is -6.0�C (1:00 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: . Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
21:36 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
21:36 huginn maximep: The current temperature in lac st-charles, quebec city, Quebec is 2.7�C (4:34 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
21:36 maximep good enough, i guess
21:37 wizzyrea @wunder 66049
21:37 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 8.0�C (3:34 PM CST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Rising).
21:37 wizzyrea hm, not awful
21:37 maximep better than 100% humidity
21:37 wizzyrea >.>
21:37 wizzyrea <.<
21:37 maximep alias rain
21:38 wizzyrea clear days in kansas are the best days.
21:38 wizzyrea most days are partly to mostly sunny, it's really pretty rare to get a totally clear day
21:38 wizzyrea only a very few clouds today
21:39 maximep haven't seen the sun here since 2 weeks
21:39 wizzyrea[…]n/~3/w5-NEyfo3IQ/ jcamins, this seems relevant to your interests
21:40 jcamins Uh-oh.
21:40 * jcamins knows what he'll be doing the next time he has a half hour free.
21:41 wizzyrea i mean, they've got marshmallows.
21:41 wizzyrea though they're yummy without too
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21:51 aarkerio hi! two weeks a go I sent an email to Kohal mailing list in order to be added in
21:52 wizzyrea hm, possibly I missed it, that happens sometimes
21:52 wizzyrea sorry about that
21:52 wizzyrea you have a link to the message?
21:53 aarkerio I don't know if that happened because I have only an spanish  page:
21:53 aarkerio http://www.chipotle-software.c[…]/view/kohasupport
21:53 aarkerio should I translate and add the page in english?
21:53 wizzyrea not necessary :)
21:53 wizzyrea and I see this meets the requirements so I'll add it right now
21:55 aarkerio greeeaaatt! thanks a lot!
21:57 aarkerio this is my info:
21:57 aarkerio
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22:00 wizzyrea mm that link requires a login
22:00 wizzyrea hmm even.
22:03 eythian tasty login-requiring link
22:03 nengard anyone noticing that the exctactvalue sql function seems to be working different lately?
22:03 nengard I have it ask for one subfield but it always seems to give me all of them
22:04 eythian maybe you need to specify xpath that limits to the first one.
22:04 jcamins nengard: it gives you an entire DOM tree?
22:04 aarkerio sorry:[…]ew/aarkerio/18247
22:04 wizzyrea ooh spicy :)
22:04 nengard jcamins it gives me the entire field
22:04 nengard so i want to see 856$3 for example
22:04 wizzyrea cool ty
22:05 nengard and I see 856$3, $z, $u, $y
22:05 eythian what's your xpath?
22:06 eythian aarkerio: just fyi, your "Manuals" link is 404
22:08 aarkerio eythian, thanks!
22:19 eythian mm It's what's for lunch.
22:19 * wizzyrea is afraid to click on that link
22:19 chrisdothall hehe
22:20 eythian Not Safe For People-Who-Don't-Like-Curry
22:20 * wizzyrea loves curry
22:25 rhcl A double order of Beef Vindaloo please.
22:26 eythian You going to come pick it up?
22:26 wizzyrea kekeke
22:26 eythian cos it'll be ready in about an hour :)
22:26 rhcl No, I want it delivered in <30 minutes.
22:27 wizzyrea that is the most spartan website I've ever seen
22:27 rhcl I'll starve at 50 minutes.
22:27 eythian I'll let you know when fedex/customs finally release my new phone that has been sitting in wellington for the past few days.
22:27 eythian wizzyrea: it's functional :)
22:27 wizzyrea i rather like it
22:27 wizzyrea garlic naan for 1.00
22:28 wizzyrea I can get behind that
22:28 eythian well, you get a regular naan by default. The 1.00 is for the upgrade.
22:29 wizzyrea ooooo
22:29 wizzyrea still!
22:30 rhcl I have never known quite how you are supposed to eat naan.
22:30 eythian open mouth. insert naan
22:30 jcamins rhcl: I recommend chewing first.
22:30 wizzyrea with curry!
22:30 jcamins There are, of course, those who do not.
22:31 rhcl Both of you seem highly qualified to be technical writers.
22:31 eythian actually, where we were in India, the bread was used to make it easier to eat the rest of the stuff with your hands.
22:32 wizzyrea ^^ that was my understanding
22:32 wizzyrea naan = edible fork
22:32 wizzyrea well more like a spoon really
22:32 rhcl I remember eating something in Thailand at an Indian Restaurant. There are about 700 million Indians living there, and the restaurants are just about 100% India authentic.
22:33 rhcl I couldn't read the menu, just pointed to something I vaguely realize was dead sheep. It was nothing but bones. Tasty, but bones.
22:33 jcamins wizzyrea: eythian: hopefully you used your right hands.
22:34 rhcl Similar thing in Vietnam. Just pointed at something chicken. Nothing but chicken skin. Chicken Skin.
22:34 eythian jcamins: I only have one right hand.
22:34 eythian mm chicken skin.
22:34 jcamins eythian: yeah, but wizzyrea has one too, doesn't she?
22:34 eythian I don't know, though it seems plausible.
22:35 * jcamins realizes that he's never actually seen a picture of it.
22:35 wizzyrea naw, I type this fast with one hand
22:35 wizzyrea you should be familiar with that
22:35 jcamins wizzyrea: sorry to bring up bad memories.
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22:35 * wizzyrea laughs at her terribly awfully awful joke
22:35 wizzyrea oh I made myself laugh
22:37 jcamins wizzyrea++ # for ensuring that someone is laughing in #koha
22:37 jcamins :)
22:37 wizzyrea but yes, I would only eat right handed.
22:37 wizzyrea :P
22:37 melia_lunch is now known as melia
22:38 rhcl melia must have had a long lunch.
22:38 melia I always change that and then forget to go eat!
22:38 rhcl probably chicken skin curry. Stuff is heck to chew.
22:39 jcamins rhcl: lol
22:39 melia LOL
22:40 eythian I hope you both actually laughed out loud then, otherwise it's a lie!
22:40 melia eythian: are you calling me a liar?
22:40 eythian that depends, did you laugh out loud?
22:40 wizzyrea look out eythian, she's going to get out "the look"
22:40 melia yep. and I just did it again! :)
22:40 eythian then no :)
22:41 eythian wizzyrea: this look? ಠ_ಠ
22:41 wizzyrea isn't that the Dexter (from Dexter's Lab) look?
22:42 jcamins eythian: I did.
22:42 eythian I suppose it could be that too
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23:09 rhcl[…]r-been-easier.ars
23:09 rhcl suppose it could tie into an opac and help patrons find books in the stacks?
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23:12 eythian wouldn't be nearly accurate enough inside a smaller building
23:12 eythian I suppose if you had a lot of wireless access points, it could work
23:15 jcamins Would you call MARC a stream-oriented format?
23:15 * jcamins would, but he's not sure that the heading "stream-oriented format" would make sense to anyone else.
23:15 eythian I would, but I'm like that.
23:16 eythian Also in the sense of "would throw it into a river if I could"
23:16 jcamins You'd like my subheading, then.
23:16 jcamins * Stream-oriented formats
23:16 jcamins - Why MARC must die
23:16 eythian heh
23:20 * jcamins makes an impassioned plea for requiring everyone to understand 2NF.
23:27 wizzyrea hm there's probably money to be made in very-small-devices-specifically for wireless location within buildings
23:28 wizzyrea very small and cheap.
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23:53 * chris_n 's 5 year old daughter just asked about "gigglebytes" :-)
23:54 jcamins chris_n: gigglebytes are a measure of funny cat videos.
23:54 wizzyrea haha your kid is awesome.
23:54 * chris_n figured wizzyrea would get a kick out of that
23:55 wizzyrea spud is in love with my "tabble ett"
23:55 jcamins chris_n: see, this is one gigglebyte:
23:55 * wizzyrea notes that babies do that too
23:55 jcamins chris_n: and this is about four gigglebytes:
23:56 jcamins Maybe five.
23:56 wizzyrea that is pretty funny
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23:57 chris_n hehe
23:58 * jcamins watches the kitten on the slide.
23:58 wizzyrea[…]8&feature=related this one requires a new metric
23:59 * jcamins finds the hamster ball funnier.
23:59 wizzyrea yea that one's more cute

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