Time Nick Message 00:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7140] Add item type description on the catalogue search and detail screens <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7140> 01:43 jenkins_koha Starting build 4 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 02:07 chris_n thar tis 02:08 rangi chris_n++ 02:09 chris_n automation++ 02:09 rangi did 6629 not make it in? 02:16 chris_n 3 6629 patches made it in 02:16 chris_n and one 6628 02:16 rangi ah, just didnt see it in the release notes 02:16 chris_n hmm 02:16 chris_n automation-- 02:18 rangi hehe 02:18 rangi nice work anyway :) 02:21 chris_n weirdness 02:21 chris_n try this: 02:21 chris_n http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?content=2629%2C2847%2C3958%2C4161%2C5150%2C5885%2C5945%2C5974%2C6390%2C6471%2C6475%2C6628%2C6629%2C6629%2C6629%2C6679%2C6679%2C6679%2C6679%2C6679%2C6679%2C6799%2C6895%2C6955%2C6963%2C6977%2C6989%2C6994%2C7061%2C7069%2C7076%2C7084%2C7085%2C7095%2C7117%2C7128%2C7134%2C7138%2C7146%2C7184%2C7185%2C7188%2C7207%2C7221&list_id=16080&query_format=advanced&order=bug_id%20DESC&query_based_on= 02:21 chris_n in the "Content:" line I see 6629 02:21 chris_n but in the list it does not appear 02:22 rangi how odd 02:22 chris_n bugzilla bug? 02:22 chris_n but that's why its not in the release notes 02:22 rangi could be 02:22 rangi ahh makes sense 02:22 chris_n hmm 02:22 chris_n several bug #'s appear multiple times in the search string 02:23 chris_n none of those appear in the lsit 02:23 chris_n list 02:23 chris_n I can fix that on my end, but I'd think BZ's search would handle that 02:23 rangi hmm 02:23 rangi yeah that is odd 02:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #4: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/4/ 02:25 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Sanitizing input from language cookie 02:25 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up to trap vuln in webinstaller and fixing the error 02:25 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up, sanitising in a couple more places 02:25 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6628 : Stopping a potential vulnerability 02:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6629 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , [security] insecure use of Cookie for language selection 02:25 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to 3.06.01.000 02:25 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.01.000 02:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6628 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , [security] help system use insecure REFERRER for file inclusion 02:30 chris_n still no joy 02:30 chris_n http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?content=2629%2C2847%2C3958%2C4161%2C5150%2C5885%2C5945%2C5974%2C6390%2C6471%2C6475%2C6628%2C6629%2C6679%2C6799%2C6895%2C6955%2C6963%2C6977%2C6989%2C6994%2C7061%2C7069%2C7076%2C7084%2C7085%2C7095%2C7117%2C7128%2C7134%2C7138%2C7146%2C7184%2C7185%2C7188%2C7207%2C7221&list_id=16081&query_format=advanced&order=bug_id%20DESC&query_based_on= 02:31 rangi weird 02:34 chris_n seems to be a malformed query 02:40 chris_n fixed 02:40 chris_n I pushed an updated copy of the release notes, but they'll be incorrect in the tarballs 02:41 rangi ahh that oughta be ok, we could change the one on koha-community.org .. and i think that would be fine 02:42 * chris_n will do it now 02:43 jenkins_koha Starting build 5 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 02:44 chris_n fixed there too 02:44 chris_n ouch 02:44 chris_n now utf8 is screwed up again 02:45 * chris_n has spent too much time working on the script 02:46 chris_n ok, folks, sleepy time 02:46 rangi sleep well 03:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #5: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/5/ 03:24 jenkins_koha chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.01.000 03:35 AmitG heya rangi, Robin 03:35 eythian hello AmitG 04:12 Judit http://xkcd.com/806/ 04:48 Guest18653 hi all 04:49 Guest18653 hope this messages finds you well. 04:50 Guest18653 i am trying to install the latest koha 3.6 with ubuntu 11.10 but have found that I am getting a mysql_config error on the cpan component while installing DBD::mysql. 04:50 Guest18653 If you guys can help that will be great as I find the installation is the same as with the liblime koha. thanks for your help in advance. 05:07 rangi what distribution of linux are u installing on? 05:07 rangi ahh ubuntu 05:08 rangi follow the INSTALL.ubuntu document 05:08 rangi u shouldn't need to cpan anything 05:08 rangi sudo apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl 05:08 rangi for that one 05:09 rangi but if u really want to cpan it on, which I wouldn't recommend u need 05:10 rangi sudo apt-get install mysql-client 05:14 Oak hello #koha 05:34 cait morning #koha 05:42 Oak hello miss cait :) 05:42 cait hello mr oak :) 05:43 Oak need to make a presentation now for the project... 05:47 cait oh 05:47 cait have you figured out the other things? 05:50 Oak kind of. at the risk of being wrong however. 05:50 Oak decided to make a public library. 05:50 Oak and said Capital Development Authority and Ministry of Education will provide the funding 05:51 Oak and in conclusion, wrote that the library will work on alternative funding options to decrease its dependence on government funding... 05:51 Oak Brooke has kindly offered to help though :) i just emailed her the things 05:54 indradg gmcharlt, ping 05:55 Guest18653 hmmm i c.. 05:56 indradg rangi, around? 05:57 Guest18653 perhaps we should not include that in the INSTALL.ubuntu doco..in 2.4 it says Install DB::mysql perl module 06:02 indradg folks... i need to build an union catalog using Koha... well sort of... so was wondering if I can pick on the collective brains 06:03 indradg the basic scenario is this - there are 20 something libraries on Koha 3.4 (version can be upgraded) being installed on their local on-premise servers 06:04 indradg these servers are independent of each other at the moment 06:04 indradg now, the management wants to build a central facility that will do the following 06:05 Oak electricity... 06:05 indradg (a) allow someone to see a search conducted across all 20+ libraries 06:06 indradg (b) allow them to centrally see (as well as over an unified OPAC) how many of these items (that was sought) are out in circulation along with their holding branch 06:06 indradg (c) centrally retrieve circulation data and reporting 06:07 Judit 1library 20 branches? 06:08 indradg (d) have a way for the central mgmt to see who is working on which module at the libraries 06:12 cait indradg: not sure about that - seems a bit hard to do with different installatons 06:14 indradg cait, what they are looking at would require some serious customizations imo 06:14 cait yes 06:14 cait what is the main reason to keep them on different installations? 06:15 indradg uncertain nature of broadband connectivity in india 06:15 cait seems like all they want is what you would normally do with a consortia 06:15 cait hm 06:16 indradg so even if the connection is down, they need the local library to go on functioning and re-sync / update the master 06:16 indradg when the connection is restored 06:36 cait indradg: sorry, not alot of ideas about that 06:37 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:37 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.1�C (7:29 AM CET on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady). 06:37 cait hm cold 06:45 indradg cait, np :) 06:59 rangi hmm that would be a huge amount of development 07:34 magnuse kia ora #koha 07:35 rangi hi magnuse 07:35 alex_a hello rangi 07:35 alex_a hello magnuse 07:36 rangi heya alex_a 07:36 magnuse hiya rangi and alex_a and cait 07:40 adminacct indradg 07:41 reiveune hello 07:41 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 07:48 cait morning magnuse and reiveune :) 07:48 cait and morning paul_p 07:48 cait and bbiab 07:48 reiveune hi cait, magnuse, and everybody :) 07:49 reiveune :-/ 07:49 indradg hiya reiveune 07:50 reiveune hiya ;-) 08:06 asaurat hi! 08:09 julian_m hi all 08:10 sophie_m hello #koha 08:10 hdl hi 08:11 rangi hi france 08:13 francharb hi 08:14 kf back 08:14 rangi wb 08:20 fredericd kf: Do you have your last German translation in 3.6.1? 08:21 kf fredericd: sorry, not sure what you are asking? 08:21 kf I worked with pootle to translate the files up there, didn't upload anything new 08:21 kf I checked them locally for fatal errors but all seemed ok, so I didn't do more than that 08:22 fredericd I'm not sure that last .po files have been added to 3.6.x branch 08:22 kf ah 08:22 kf that could well be 08:22 kf perhaps been forgotten :( 08:22 fredericd I don't see a commit for that 08:22 fredericd maybe 08:22 kf yeah, I didn't see one either 08:22 rangi nope, it was released fast because of 6628 and 6629 08:23 rangi 6628 being the really nasty one for 3.6.x 08:23 fredericd I understand, I've seen 08:24 fredericd ++ to everybody involved in patching that security hole in the hurry... 08:24 indradg as per Koha 3.4 schema is action_logs the table for maintaining audit trails? 08:24 rangi ++ to the security people who emailed me too 08:28 indradg rangi, ^^ 08:29 rangi thats it indradg 08:30 indradg but all the modules of Koha like setting up of basic params or say currency etc does not log anything to that table, does it? 08:31 rangi nope 08:31 rangi a lot of things are logged 08:31 rangi but not everything 09:09 indradg rangi, so, if I want to add logging / audit trails to every other module that does not have it, it is simply including C4::Log.pm and calling the logaction() with the desired 4 parameters? 09:10 indradg or is there something else that I should pay attention to? 09:10 indradg FWIW, I added logging to the currency modification and it seems to be working 09:11 kf perhaps make a bug? 09:11 rangi yeah 09:11 kf a super bug to add more logging and smaller bugs for each feature? 09:11 kf so can get tested and into koha 09:11 magnuse kf++ 09:11 rangi thatd be the way to do it 09:11 rangi and a way to turn them on and off, like the other logging 09:11 kf yep 09:12 kf system preferences under logs 09:24 indradg kf++ 09:27 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7275] Pagination lost when click in the option "Show more" of facets column <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7275> 09:35 Oak presentation done \o/ 09:35 magnuse yay 09:35 Oak :) 09:35 Oak magnuse 09:36 magnuse Oak 10:12 magnuse ooh, wish i was at http://swib.org/swib11/ 10:16 magnuse oh my, there's a live stream http://www.livestream.com/swib 10:16 Judit shall i click on this?:) 10:17 magnuse only if you are interested in semantic web in libraries 10:17 Judit hm 10:17 Judit let me see 10:18 magnuse it's a german conference, but most of the talks are in english, i think 10:29 kf oh 10:29 kf perhaps I should have told you :) 10:29 AmitG heya kf :D 10:29 kf one of my coworkers is there 10:29 kf hi AmitG 10:30 magnuse kf: cool! 12:15 * jcamins_away grouses. 12:16 kf grouse? 12:17 jcamins_away kf: about the direct response. 12:19 kf huh? 12:19 kf ah 12:19 kf dilip 12:22 jcamins_away Yup. 12:40 * chris_n looks in 12:40 chris_n @wunder 28334 12:40 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 9.0�C (7:15 AM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 12:48 * jcamins_away decides not to respond to that message. 13:03 francharb hum 13:04 francharb i 've got a question on the patron attibutes 13:04 francharb do you know what the "allow password" option is made for? 13:04 francharb it says "Check to make it possible to associate a password with this attribute." 13:04 francharb i tried to set up one 13:05 francharb and well 13:05 francharb it's still _not_ obvious how it works 13:05 francharb :( 13:05 francharb anyone knows 13:05 francharb ? 13:06 hdl francharb: maybe gmcharlt 13:06 francharb humm 13:06 francharb thanks hdl 13:07 francharb i will try later 13:07 francharb oh no, gmcharlt is connected 13:07 francharb :) 13:08 jcamins gmcharlt is always connected. :) 13:08 francharb if by any chance, you have 2s for my question, i would be very happy gmcharlt ;) 13:08 francharb jcamins, really? 13:08 francharb ok 13:08 francharb anyway, if anyone knows, well, let me know! ;) 13:18 kf francharb: I think all it does is mask the input 13:18 kf francharb: making it little stars **** 13:18 kf but no encryption 13:18 kf afaik 13:18 kf hi JesseM 13:19 JesseM Hi kf! 13:20 francharb well kf, it masks the infut when i modify the attribute but once i saved it 13:21 francharb no more •••• 13:21 francharb weird 13:21 kf bug 13:21 jwagner The password seems to serve no useful purpose -- once you've entered a password next to an attribute in a patron record, it doesn't use it to block changes to that field. 13:22 jwagner Which would seem to be the obvious purpose of it.... 13:24 francharb jwagner, sounds logical but at the same time, as a librarian, why would i want a password protected field in the patron record? 13:25 jwagner I don't know. I can think of a few situations where staff might not want circ desk people to change data, but the field doesn't block changes by staff with less than superlibrarian rights. 13:25 oleonard jcamins: That Koha 2.2.9 conversation unfolded exactly as predicted! :) 13:26 jcamins oleonard: I know. 13:26 oleonard The off-list reply couldn't have been more textbook 13:27 jcamins Reassuring, isn't it? 13:27 jcamins ;) 13:28 * jcamins feels like perhaps he should have said that he's available for doing the migration. 13:29 jcamins Seems like it might be a good way to dissuade further messages. 13:29 oleonard All-expenses paid. 13:30 jcamins oleonard: I meant remotely, but, hell yeah! 13:30 * jcamins packs his suitcase for a trip to India. 13:31 jcamins If only it had coincided with KohaCon. :\ 13:32 francharb jcamins, i can see what you mean but if you are at the circ desk and have the privilege to modify borrowers records, then you can bypass the protection. if you dont have these privilege, well then, you can do nothing... 13:32 jcamins francharb: uhhh... 13:33 jcamins francharb: oh, you're talking to jwagner. 13:33 francharb oh sorry 13:33 francharb :( 13:33 francharb ;) 13:33 francharb autocomplete-- 13:34 francharb anyway, thanks jwagner 13:34 francharb i will try to dig that later! 13:34 jwagner Sorry I couldn't help. Looks like a feature that was never truly implemented 13:35 francharb jwagner, i think so... i will try to find more about what was the idea behind before reporting this in bugzilla ;) 13:37 jcamins Who did patron attributes? 13:37 francharb i have no idea 13:38 francharb hdl advice was to ask gmcharlt, maybe he is one who can tell us who did this 13:38 * francharb sounds dramatic 13:38 francharb hehe 13:47 gmcharlt what's the question? 13:49 jwagner checking git blame on an older system blames that unknown person gmcharlt :-) 13:50 gmcharlt francharb: ok, I've finished reading scrollback 13:51 francharb any idea? 13:51 gmcharlt the intention of the password feature in patron attributes is simply to allow more than one login password 13:51 gmcharlt I'm sure somebody wanted that back in the day 13:51 gmcharlt but I doubt its commonly used, so I wouldn't be too surprised if it fell prey to bit rot 13:53 francharb thanks gmcharlt, i will test it! 13:53 jwagner I just tested it, it doesn't seem to work in current head.... 13:54 kf francharb: sorry, was helping a coworker - I think the idea is to store an additional field - like a pin for self check 13:55 kf francharb: and I think it should always display masked and is not related to teh other fields, only a separate password field, perhaps for another application or something 13:56 francharb thanks kf, thats what gmcharlt was just telling us! 13:56 francharb :) 13:59 kf ah, h ad not read back yet - sorry! 14:00 francharb kf, jwagner and i tested it thinking it would give us another login/password 14:00 francharb but you make me realise 14:00 francharb that it's just a way to store a login/password 14:00 francharb for a third application 14:00 kf something that is not supposed to be seen - I think 14:00 francharb something you can export for exemple 14:00 francharb yep 14:01 kf but should be masked everywhere to makse sense 14:01 kf I think 14:01 jwagner gmcharlt, can SIP use that field? 14:06 gmcharlt jwagner: no, doesn't look like its hooked into any authentication mechanism at present 14:06 jwagner Oh, well. I had an idea for it, but doesn't look like it's feasible right now. Thanks. 14:32 oleonard Hi collum 14:34 collum Hi oleonard 14:53 libsysguy morning #Koha 15:04 libsysguy i ran a merge this morning and it broke all kinds of stuff with hourly 15:04 libsysguy so if you happen to be running hourly…don't update 15:05 jcamins Ugh. 15:05 jcamins I hope that was on a staging server? 15:05 libsysguy negative ghost rider :-/ 15:05 libsysguy I got most of them taken care of quickly 15:05 libsysguy there is one that is going to take some time to stort out 15:06 libsysguy since all date functions are moving from C4::Dates to Koha::Calendar 15:24 rhcl_away @seen wizzyrea 15:24 huginn rhcl_away: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 16 hours, 21 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> with my fush and chups. 15:25 kf @roulette 15:25 huginn kf: *click* 15:25 kf @roulette 15:25 huginn *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 15:25 * huginn reloads and spins the chambers. 15:48 kf bye all 16:19 reiveune bye 16:21 Oak kia ora #koha 16:21 Oak magnuse 16:21 jcamins Oak 16:21 Oak jcamins 16:21 Oak :) 16:22 magnuse Oak 16:23 Oak cait left for home? 16:23 Oak i guess... 16:23 magnuse yup 16:23 Oak good :) 16:23 magnuse hehe 16:24 * Oak goes to turn on Windoze pc 16:24 magnuse beware of the dark side, Oak 16:25 jcamins Oak: she's donating blood. I imagine she'll be back in a few hours. 16:25 jcamins I think she may have the kind of blood that the blood banks always need. 16:25 jcamins That way lies madness. 16:25 jcamins And Koha 2.2.9! 16:25 wahanui koha 2.2.9 is *years* old, too 16:26 jcamins wahanui: that's right. 16:26 wahanui jcamins: what? 16:26 jcamins wahanui: that's right is <reply>I know. 16:26 wahanui OK, jcamins. 16:26 jcamins that's right. 16:26 wahanui I know. 16:26 magnuse lol 16:26 Oak aah. cool. 16:30 Oak magnuse, no worries, i'll pull the plug the moment i feel disturbance in the Force. 16:31 magnuse yay! 16:31 jcamins Oak: that's what Anakin said, and look what happened to him! 16:31 jcamins He fell into a volcano! 16:31 Oak hehe 16:31 jcamins A pity they only ever made three Star Wars movies. 16:33 * magnuse has some new for jcamins 16:33 magnuse s/new/news/ 16:33 Oak when cait returns we should all give her cookies. 16:33 jcamins http://xkcd.com/566/ 16:33 gmcharlt magnuse: what you're about to tell jcamins is purely imaginary ;) 16:34 magnuse ok, better leave it alone then, perhaps 16:34 jcamins :) 16:35 magnuse lol 16:38 Oak :-D this is very good jcamins -> "Matrix Revisited" link.... 16:58 * magnuse had to google BOFH 16:58 jcamins magnuse: ! 17:00 magnuse bbl 17:01 jcamins gmcharlt: Red Hat? I guess Evergreen runs on Red Hat better than Koha? 17:04 gmcharlt jcamins: well, it runs on Red Hat 17:04 gmcharlt not my personally preferred distro, but there are enough libraries who use (and mandate) RHEL to keep the Evergreen port alive 17:04 jcamins Well, that would be running better than Koha does, I think. 17:06 * collum is going to purchase the BOFH Omnibus. Book 2. for his kindle tonight. 17:06 jcamins Bwahahahaha! 17:10 indradg whats with the BOFH on #koha... who needs a cluesbat? 17:11 indradg cluebat* 17:11 indradg @wunder kolkata 17:11 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 19.0�C (10:20 PM IST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising). 17:14 jcamins indradg: doesn't everyone need a cluebat? 17:14 jcamins You know what they say: "life is better when you have a big foam cluebat." 17:15 jwagner jcamins, I personally keep two bats in my office. One is foam, but the other one isn't.... 17:15 jcamins jwagner: probably wise. 17:16 jwagner You never know when you'll need a nice emphatic baseball bat.... 17:17 indradg jwagner, lol... very true 18:24 cait hi #koha 18:24 * jcamins gives cait cookies. 18:24 cait yay! 18:25 cait I have bought fudge ingredients :) 18:25 jcamins Yay! 18:28 schuster something odd happened today and some records didn't get indexed by Zebra - so I want to "reindex" the whole thing at the end of today. Can I just run migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z without stopping or starting anything in particular? 18:29 schuster I discovered some logs that needed rotation REALLY bad too. 18:29 hdl schuster: yea... 18:30 hdl schuster: I wouldnot play -b -a together. 18:30 hdl Since i think it doesnot work. 18:31 jcamins -a and -b work together. 18:31 cait I didn't have any problems afaik, but not totally sure 18:31 jcamins schuster: that won't reindex. 18:31 jcamins schuster: you need -b -a -r 18:31 jcamins schuster: you have a pretty big catalog, so I would encourage you to disable the cron job. 18:31 jcamins Up until I switched to XML indexing, I always did -b and -a together. 18:31 jcamins hdl: you're thinking of -a and -x. 18:34 libsysguy random question: I am getting an account frozen message...I managed to track down that it is being caused by the patron having the debar flag set to 0000-00-00 18:35 libsysguy it looks like all patrons are set that way unless they are actually debarred 18:35 cait there is a bug for that 18:35 cait sip? 18:35 wahanui sip is enough to make me drink stronger things than wizzyrea's usual beer. Like whiskey. 18:35 libsysguy oh is there 18:35 cait yep since yesterday 18:35 libsysguy ahh 18:35 cait it's the fine in days breaking it 18:35 hdl jcamins: the last time i used -b and -a together, i had big surprise. 18:35 cait want me to find it for you? 18:35 libsysguy grrr 18:35 cait yes 18:35 cait grrrr 18:35 hdl So... being quite conservative. 18:35 jcamins hdl: and you weren't using -x? 18:36 hdl no. 18:36 jcamins Or -w? 18:36 libsysguy i've been looking at that all day...I thoguht it was an issue with the hourl ymerge 18:36 cait libsysguy: 7272 18:36 jcamins schuster: *never* use -w 18:36 jcamins NEVER NEVER NEVER. 18:36 cait libsysguy: if you want to fix it - talk to druthb 18:36 libsysguy bug 7272 18:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7272 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fix for Bug 6328 causes user accounts to be frozen 18:36 cait libsysguy: she asked me to look at it - ubt I can't test, should be someone who can test it 18:36 jcamins You have been warned. 18:37 libsysguy haha 18:37 libsysguy well i can test...is there a patch 18:37 cait not that I know of 18:38 cait you might want to ask someone from bywater 18:38 libsysguy kk 18:38 libsysguy cait++ 18:40 schuster ok so recap stop the cron job - then using the appropriate user - migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r walk away... In the morning then reactivate the cron for update... 18:42 jcamins Right. 18:42 schuster Thanks for the advice... We've had weird stuff here lately. Monday before Thanksgiving the spiders hit, then today Zebra went wonky for 10 minutes ... It is time to upgrade! New hardware and softwre! 18:42 jcamins Woohoo! 18:46 rangi morning 18:46 schuster Hey rangi great to see you... 18:47 schuster I'm just getting ready to have lunch. 18:47 rangi im just on the bus to the reserve bank (like u federal reserve) 18:48 schuster All well with your family? I saw the note about little one staying overnight, didn't know the backstory so hope all is well. 18:48 schuster Don't rob the bank we need you... 18:48 rangi doing some koha training with them 18:48 schuster whew... 18:48 rangi ah he has chicken pox now! 18:48 rangi but that was tonsils and adenoids 18:48 schuster Oh my... Personally never had them and neither did my grandpa... he lived to 94.. 18:49 schuster Allergy problems? 18:49 rangi he still needs one more op on his stomach for reflux 18:49 schuster Oh sorry that is so hard... 18:49 rangi yeah he's a happy little chappy still 18:49 rangi so we are lucky 18:50 schuster Thankfully both my boys have grown out of their allergy stages, we did have to do tubes in both ears. Then he had trigger thumbs so we had to have that operated on... 18:50 rangi be nice to get it sorted tho, and get some sleep :) 18:50 rangi ahhh 18:50 schuster Yep... I always felt so bad you can't comfort them enough when they are feeling sick. 18:51 rangi yeah 18:51 schuster well good luck with your training! Have a great day! 18:51 rangi you too 18:56 slef reports? 18:56 slef SQL reports? 18:56 rangi ? 18:56 slef wiki? 18:56 wahanui i think wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org 18:56 jcamins sql report library? 18:56 wahanui well, sql report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 18:56 slef damn wahanui 18:56 slef jcamins: ta 18:56 jcamins slef: I figured that's what you were going for. 18:56 rangi slef: simon Phipps did a koha article in computerworld uk 18:57 slef rangi: :-/ 18:57 slef rangi: Not seen it yet. Any good? 18:57 rangi dont have url on me 18:57 slef IIRC he's webmink? 18:57 rangi yeah not too bad 18:57 rangi yep 18:57 slef usually ok on software, bad on org 18:57 rangi could be a lot worse 18:58 rangi I think glynn moody did one too 19:01 slef I've both them on identi.ca. Will grab in a mo. 19:02 cait slef: can you share the link once you found it? :) 19:02 slef cait: yeah 19:02 cait thx :) 19:03 jcamins cait++ # for making me laugh while I'm stressing about my handout for the presentation tomorrow. 19:04 cait oh 19:04 cait jcamins++ for talking with me about sweets while he has to prepare a handout! :) 19:08 rangi hmm 19:08 rangi what should I tell the students apply for the academy abot koha 19:08 cait ask for their favourite cookie flavor? ;) 19:09 rangi meeting them tonight 19:09 rangi brb bus stop 19:10 rangi time for coffee before meeting 19:10 cait :) 19:10 rangi or training I should say 19:15 rangi ok time for bacon even! 19:15 rangi brb changing to the free wifi 19:17 rangi this cafe rules! 19:17 rangi they are blasting out prince tui teka 19:17 cait heh 19:19 Oak hello miss cait :) 19:19 * Oak gives cait cookies with milk 19:19 cait oooh 19:19 cait everyone giving me cookies today! 19:19 cait and hi mr oak :) 19:19 Oak i may have suggested it... :) 19:21 Oak you donated blood cait ? 19:21 cait um yes? 19:22 cait how do you know? 19:22 jcamins Oak was missing you, so I said you were donating blood, which was more important than being on #koha. :) 19:22 Oak hehe 19:23 cait aah 19:23 cait that makes sense :) 19:23 Oak hence the cookies 19:23 cait I got no coookies 19:23 cait but got vegetable lasagne and potato salad :) 19:23 cait after blood donation 19:24 slef http://wmk.me/rZ8GjW is webmink's article, http://bit.ly/tB0czF is glynmoody's 19:24 cait slef++ 19:24 Oak slef++ 19:24 slef webmink is tons wide of the mark. "Koha and Why We Need Foundations" 19:24 jcamins I need a nice collectible-related checkbox. 19:27 Oak cait, you got no cookies? 19:27 cait jcamins? 19:27 wahanui well, jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra 19:27 jcamins Yes? 19:28 cait Oak: was cake or dinner, opted for dinner :) 19:28 cait no idea what you were saying 19:28 jcamins Oh. 19:28 jcamins I'm preparing a handout. 19:28 Oak okay good 19:28 jcamins It includes a checklist. 19:28 jcamins I would like the checkboxes to be something nice and collectible-related. 19:29 Oak me go now 19:29 Oak good night 19:33 cait ah! 19:33 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.3�C (8:29 PM CET on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady). 19:34 jcamins That's pretty chilly. 19:34 jcamins @wunder 11375 19:34 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 17.9�C (2:31 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady). 19:34 rangi @wunder wellington nz 19:34 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on November 30, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady). 19:35 jcamins So... any thoughts for an appealing checkbox? 19:35 jcamins I was thinking an outline drawing of a coin, but I couldn't find any CC-licensed. 19:37 cait coin is the only idea I had too :( 19:38 jcamins Ah! The old Chinese coin with square holes! 19:38 jcamins Wu-zhu? 19:40 jcamins (I think that might be what they're called) 20:01 * magnus_afk read that as "appaling checkbox" 20:01 magnus_afk g'nigt! 20:04 rangi cya magnus_away 20:04 chrisdothall rangi: are you training today? 20:04 rangi yup reserve bank 20:05 rangi shouldn't take the full day though I think 20:05 rangi 2nd training session 20:06 cait hi lizzy? :) 20:06 lizzy hi :) 20:06 rangi hi lizzy 20:06 * lizzy has a nickname problem 20:06 * lizzy glares at wizzyrea 20:06 chrisdothall heh 20:07 wizzyrea that's much better :) 20:07 wizzyrea what's happenin. 20:08 rangi Hehe 20:08 wizzyrea how's wee ata? 20:10 rangi remarkably well 20:10 cait :) 20:10 rangi but can't go to school 20:10 wizzyrea *nod* 20:10 rangi so annoying his mum 20:10 rangi Hehe 20:10 wizzyrea aww 20:10 chrisdothall hehe a canadian just said to me " 20:10 jcamins ''? 20:10 wahanui '' are not there, sorry 20:10 chrisdothall Ka kite ano!" 20:10 chrisdothall fail quoting. 20:11 rangi :) 20:16 cait hi chrisdothall :) 20:16 cait what does it mean? 20:16 chrisdothall cait: http://www.tki.org.nz/r/maori/support/support_tereo_1_e.php 20:17 cait ta :) 20:19 rangi K better go 20:20 rangi Bbl 20:39 oleonard Just had someone ask me to reset their password... they thought that when I did so their browser's password auto-save would be updated with the new password :| 20:39 wizzyrea oh my 20:42 jcamins_away Wow. 20:42 ibeardslee heh 20:46 schuster Finally someone else understands my pain!! 20:47 ibeardslee I used to tell people I'd email their updated login password. A number of them said thanks .. and then called back. 21:00 wizzyrea ibeardslee: that is pretty awesome. 21:00 wizzyrea in a trollish kind of way. 21:01 wizzyrea amusingly trollish. 21:01 jcamins_away Woohoo! 21:02 cait done? 21:02 jcamins_away Done. 21:02 jcamins_away And printed. 21:02 cait wooohoo :) 21:11 collum @wunder 41017 21:11 huginn collum: The current temperature in Erlanger, Kentucky is 3.8�C (4:09 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Steady). 21:17 cait night 21:33 maximep @wunder g2j0b4 21:33 huginn maximep: The current temperature in Lac Benoit, Quebec is -6.0�C (1:00 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: . Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 21:33 maximep so broken -_- 21:34 jcamins @wunder eh1 2ny 21:34 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 5.7�C (9:32 PM GMT on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.31 in 992.4 hPa (Steady). 21:34 jcamins Wow! I didn't know it would do that. 21:35 maximep it seems to picks a random city in Quebec for me :S 21:35 jcamins maximep: oh, it wasn't supposed to be Lac Benoit? 21:36 maximep that has exactly the same stats as Québec 21:36 jcamins @wunder g29j0b4 21:36 huginn jcamins: Error: No such location could be found. 21:36 jcamins @wunder g2j0b4 21:36 maximep @wunder g2g1t7 21:36 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Lac Benoit, Quebec is -6.0�C (1:00 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: . Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 21:36 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 21:36 huginn maximep: The current temperature in lac st-charles, quebec city, Quebec is 2.7�C (4:34 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady). 21:36 maximep good enough, i guess 21:37 wizzyrea @wunder 66049 21:37 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 8.0�C (3:34 PM CST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Rising). 21:37 wizzyrea hm, not awful 21:37 maximep better than 100% humidity 21:37 wizzyrea >.> 21:37 wizzyrea <.< 21:37 maximep alias rain 21:38 wizzyrea clear days in kansas are the best days. 21:38 wizzyrea most days are partly to mostly sunny, it's really pretty rare to get a totally clear day 21:38 wizzyrea only a very few clouds today 21:39 maximep haven't seen the sun here since 2 weeks 21:39 wizzyrea http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/smittenkitchen/~3/w5-NEyfo3IQ/ jcamins, this seems relevant to your interests 21:40 jcamins Uh-oh. 21:40 * jcamins knows what he'll be doing the next time he has a half hour free. 21:41 wizzyrea i mean, they've got marshmallows. 21:41 wizzyrea though they're yummy without too 21:51 aarkerio hi! two weeks a go I sent an email to Kohal mailing list in order to be added in http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ 21:52 wizzyrea hm, possibly I missed it, that happens sometimes 21:52 wizzyrea sorry about that 21:52 wizzyrea you have a link to the message? 21:53 aarkerio I don't know if that happened because I have only an spanish page: 21:53 aarkerio http://www.chipotle-software.com/entries/view/kohasupport 21:53 aarkerio should I translate and add the page in english? 21:53 wizzyrea not necessary :) 21:53 wizzyrea and I see this meets the requirements so I'll add it right now 21:55 aarkerio greeeaaatt! thanks a lot! 21:57 aarkerio this is my info: 21:57 aarkerio http://mononeurona.org/admin/entries/edit/18247 22:00 wizzyrea mm that link requires a login 22:00 wizzyrea hmm even. 22:03 eythian tasty login-requiring link 22:03 nengard anyone noticing that the exctactvalue sql function seems to be working different lately? 22:03 nengard I have it ask for one subfield but it always seems to give me all of them 22:04 eythian maybe you need to specify xpath that limits to the first one. 22:04 jcamins nengard: it gives you an entire DOM tree? 22:04 aarkerio sorry: http://mononeurona.org/entries/view/aarkerio/18247 22:04 wizzyrea ooh spicy :) 22:04 nengard jcamins it gives me the entire field 22:04 nengard so i want to see 856$3 for example 22:04 wizzyrea cool ty 22:05 nengard and I see 856$3, $z, $u, $y 22:05 eythian what's your xpath? 22:06 eythian aarkerio: just fyi, your "Manuals" link is 404 22:08 aarkerio eythian, thanks! 22:19 eythian mm hotteenvindaloos.com. It's what's for lunch. 22:19 * wizzyrea is afraid to click on that link 22:19 chrisdothall hehe 22:20 eythian Not Safe For People-Who-Don't-Like-Curry 22:20 * wizzyrea loves curry 22:25 rhcl A double order of Beef Vindaloo please. 22:26 eythian You going to come pick it up? 22:26 wizzyrea kekeke 22:26 eythian cos it'll be ready in about an hour :) 22:26 rhcl No, I want it delivered in <30 minutes. 22:27 wizzyrea that is the most spartan website I've ever seen 22:27 rhcl I'll starve at 50 minutes. 22:27 eythian I'll let you know when fedex/customs finally release my new phone that has been sitting in wellington for the past few days. 22:27 eythian wizzyrea: it's functional :) 22:27 wizzyrea i rather like it 22:27 wizzyrea garlic naan for 1.00 22:28 wizzyrea I can get behind that 22:28 eythian well, you get a regular naan by default. The 1.00 is for the upgrade. 22:29 wizzyrea ooooo 22:29 wizzyrea still! 22:30 rhcl I have never known quite how you are supposed to eat naan. 22:30 eythian open mouth. insert naan 22:30 jcamins rhcl: I recommend chewing first. 22:30 wizzyrea with curry! 22:30 jcamins There are, of course, those who do not. 22:31 rhcl Both of you seem highly qualified to be technical writers. 22:31 eythian actually, where we were in India, the bread was used to make it easier to eat the rest of the stuff with your hands. 22:32 wizzyrea ^^ that was my understanding 22:32 wizzyrea naan = edible fork 22:32 wizzyrea well more like a spoon really 22:32 rhcl I remember eating something in Thailand at an Indian Restaurant. There are about 700 million Indians living there, and the restaurants are just about 100% India authentic. 22:33 rhcl I couldn't read the menu, just pointed to something I vaguely realize was dead sheep. It was nothing but bones. Tasty, but bones. 22:33 jcamins wizzyrea: eythian: hopefully you used your right hands. 22:34 rhcl Similar thing in Vietnam. Just pointed at something chicken. Nothing but chicken skin. Chicken Skin. 22:34 eythian jcamins: I only have one right hand. 22:34 eythian mm chicken skin. 22:34 jcamins eythian: yeah, but wizzyrea has one too, doesn't she? 22:34 eythian I don't know, though it seems plausible. 22:35 * jcamins realizes that he's never actually seen a picture of it. 22:35 wizzyrea naw, I type this fast with one hand 22:35 wizzyrea you should be familiar with that 22:35 jcamins wizzyrea: sorry to bring up bad memories. 22:35 * wizzyrea laughs at her terribly awfully awful joke 22:35 wizzyrea oh I made myself laugh 22:37 jcamins wizzyrea++ # for ensuring that someone is laughing in #koha 22:37 jcamins :) 22:37 wizzyrea but yes, I would only eat right handed. 22:37 wizzyrea :P 22:38 rhcl melia must have had a long lunch. 22:38 melia I always change that and then forget to go eat! 22:38 rhcl probably chicken skin curry. Stuff is heck to chew. 22:39 jcamins rhcl: lol 22:39 melia LOL 22:40 eythian I hope you both actually laughed out loud then, otherwise it's a lie! 22:40 melia eythian: are you calling me a liar? 22:40 eythian that depends, did you laugh out loud? 22:40 wizzyrea look out eythian, she's going to get out "the look" 22:40 melia yep. and I just did it again! :) 22:40 eythian then no :) 22:41 eythian wizzyrea: this look? ಠ_ಠ22:41 wizzyrea isn't that the Dexter (from Dexter's Lab) look? 22:42 jcamins eythian: I did. 22:42 eythian I suppose it could be that too 23:09 rhcl http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/11/google-maps-the-indoors-finding-nearest-bathroom-has-never-been-easier.ars 23:09 rhcl suppose it could tie into an opac and help patrons find books in the stacks? 23:12 eythian wouldn't be nearly accurate enough inside a smaller building 23:12 eythian I suppose if you had a lot of wireless access points, it could work 23:15 jcamins Would you call MARC a stream-oriented format? 23:15 * jcamins would, but he's not sure that the heading "stream-oriented format" would make sense to anyone else. 23:15 eythian I would, but I'm like that. 23:16 eythian Also in the sense of "would throw it into a river if I could" 23:16 jcamins You'd like my subheading, then. 23:16 jcamins * Stream-oriented formats 23:16 jcamins - Why MARC must die 23:16 eythian heh 23:20 * jcamins makes an impassioned plea for requiring everyone to understand 2NF. 23:27 wizzyrea hm there's probably money to be made in very-small-devices-specifically for wireless location within buildings 23:28 wizzyrea very small and cheap. 23:45 rangi back 23:53 * chris_n 's 5 year old daughter just asked about "gigglebytes" :-) 23:54 jcamins chris_n: gigglebytes are a measure of funny cat videos. 23:54 wizzyrea haha your kid is awesome. 23:54 * chris_n figured wizzyrea would get a kick out of that 23:55 wizzyrea spud is in love with my "tabble ett" 23:55 jcamins chris_n: see, this is one gigglebyte: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiz80CuDN8Y 23:55 * wizzyrea notes that babies do that too 23:55 jcamins chris_n: and this is about four gigglebytes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=go43XeW6Wg4 23:56 jcamins Maybe five. 23:56 wizzyrea that is pretty funny 23:57 chris_n hehe 23:58 * jcamins watches the kitten on the slide. 23:58 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs3HBZC-AY8&feature=related this one requires a new metric 23:59 * jcamins finds the hamster ball funnier. 23:59 wizzyrea yea that one's more cute