IRC log for #koha, 2011-11-03

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00:00 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7138] Can't print basket group order pdf. <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7138>
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06:52 mib_8pnrbv is there anypne
06:52 mib_8pnrbv we need help on KOHA ISBD format
06:52 mib_8pnrbv ...
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07:15 cait hm, seems the times I could sleep 12 hours and longer are over and I forgot to correct the clocks in here
07:18 magnuse guten morgen cait! ;-)
07:18 cait hehe
07:18 cait morgen :)
07:26 alex_a hi
07:26 cait hi alex_a
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07:43 reiveune hello
07:46 cait hi reiveune
07:46 reiveune hi cait
07:46 reiveune :)
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07:50 marcelr morning koha
07:52 cait morning marcelr
07:53 marcelr hi cait
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08:17 hdl hi all
08:24 cait hi hdl
08:25 magnuse bonjour france
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08:46 hdl namaste India
08:54 mib_8pnrbv can anyone hlp us
08:54 mib_8pnrbv ?
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09:53 cait @wunder Konstanz
09:53 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.2�C (10:49 AM CET on November 03, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady).
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10:33 jcamins Hi cait.
10:33 wahanui Hi cait. are you looking at the rwc final?
10:33 cait hi jcamins
10:33 cait wahanui: it's over!
10:33 wahanui cait: excuse me?
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11:57 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 1.0�C (7:35 AM EDT on November 03, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
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12:17 reiveune Excuse me, I'd like to try to reproduce the logo of Koha with Inkscape (with vector graphics, not bitmap). Someone could tell me what is the font used by the logo displayed on the OPAC (or two fonts used in the picture below :
12:17 reiveune[…]ogo-2005-0001.jpg
12:17 reiveune thanks
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12:36 reiveune Owen gave me a very good answer, thanks
12:38 oleonard I'll say it here too if anyone is interested in the answer
12:38 oleonard There are a few logo files included in the Koha source. Look in misc/interface_customization
12:38 oleonard I don't know the font, but you'll find Inkscape-compatible files there with vector versions of the logo
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12:51 oleonard Z39.50 search error "1: Permanent system error: Permanent system error: Bib-1"
12:51 oleonard On my server or theirs? If theirs, why the same error from 3 different sources?
12:51 * oleonard is suspicious
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12:54 jwagner oleonard, what targets?  Common ones like LC?
12:56 oleonard Ohiolink, Colorado Unified Catalog, Cuyahoga County Public Library
12:59 jwagner Nope, don't have those set up somewhere where I could test them....
13:00 * oleonard wonders if we'll ever change the spelling of IndependantBranches
13:01 jwagner I found one of my sites with a connection to Cuyahoga, and it's searching fine
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13:09 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7146] Update timestamps when deleting a biblio <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7146>
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13:58 libsysguy morning #Koha
13:58 oleonard I *really* want an option in Bugzilla to "expand search to closed bugs" on the search results page
14:00 oleonard In other Bugzilla news coming from my brain, I'm very glad we're putting bug numbers in commits now. It's disconcerting now to see commits without them
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14:00 oleonard commit 16fef8ba3e18c12347f35ff24a43c20d7ee53a8c added some error handling to cataloguing's z39.50 search but not to acquisitions'
14:01 libsysguy ok so am I crazy or have there been no pushes to master since 3.6
14:01 oleonard The release manager is at KohaCon
14:02 libsysguy no excuses :p
14:03 oleonard Spoken like someone who has never been release manager :P
14:03 libsysguy haha exactly
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14:15 oleonard I really should count how many times I go to fix a bug and find another bug
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14:37 cait reiveune: I think someone has done a svg already
14:37 cait reiveune: not sure who it was, perhaps mtj?
14:38 reiveune cait: thanks maybe you think at misc/interface_customization
14:38 cait oleonard: if you use ALL in front of your search term it will include closed bugs
14:39 cait reiveune: no, I think of something else
14:39 cait reiveune: I think there are no svgs in there?
14:39 oleonard Nice, thanks cait
14:39 cait you are welcome
14:40 reiveune cait: here we have a koha3-staff-client-logo.svg . I haven't open it but I think it's that I want
14:41 cait ah ok
14:41 reiveune :)
14:41 cait I have it on my screen now
14:41 cait have to think where I saw the other version, something in grey
14:41 reiveune me to, but I haven't install Inkscape for the moment
14:42 reiveune maybe only this app can open this file
14:42 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7148] Add some error handling to Acquisitions' Z39.50 search to match Cataloging's <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7148>
14:42 cait oleonard: you are my hero for working on acq :)
14:44 oleonard That one was just coincidence. I was working on Bug 7147 and realized acq's z3950 search acted differently
14:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7147 minor, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Style Z39.50 search errors according to style patterns
14:44 * oleonard had no choice but to fix it!!
14:45 cait still
14:45 cait :)
14:45 cait you didn't have to work on fixing the ohter things ;)
14:47 cait now... someone removing this big spider from my kitchen sink would be nice
14:47 * cait shudders
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14:50 oleonard Not the kind of bug-fixing you like cait?
14:50 cait no, not really
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15:01 wizzyrea does the word "branch" look weird to anyone else when they see it a lot?
15:01 * chris_n hands cait bug spray
15:02 * oleonard takes back the bug spray and hands cait an empty jar and a postcard
15:03 oleonard wizzyrea: branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch
15:03 * chris_n remembers a story about 5 pound spiders
15:03 * wizzyrea pulls cait off into the corner and whispers secrets and giggles while the boys take care of the spider
15:03 chris_n what'd you have for breakfast oleonard ;-)
15:04 cait hehe
15:04 * cait shares m&m s with wizzyrea
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15:05 chris_n now a spider that ate mesquites might be more welcome around here
15:05 chris_n oops
15:05 chris_n mosquitoes
15:06 wizzyrea thanks oleonard I think you fixed my weird perception of the word "branch"
15:06 chris_n spell checker strikes again
15:07 oleonard spiders that ate mesquite would cause no end of problems in the barbecue industry
15:11 * cait puts the bowl of m&ms in the middle of #koha
15:15 gmcharlt botsnacks *and* people-snacks!
15:15 gmcharlt cait++
15:15 cait lol
15:15 cait wish there was really someone to eat them before i do
15:16 cait weak moment at the supermarket
15:16 trea :D
15:16 trea nom nom bnom
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15:42 Oak hello miss cait :)
15:42 Oak kia ora #koha
15:42 cait hello mr oak
15:42 Oak :)
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15:49 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7123] barcode should be one word <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7123>
15:50 * oleonard took some liberties with that one
15:55 * oleonard found a second chocolate fish but Chore Wars made me leave it behind
15:55 * oleonard would have given it away if he could
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16:11 reiveune bye
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16:12 cait oleonard: seems chocolate fish don't stack
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16:54 bg hola koha peeps
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16:56 oleonard Hi bg
16:56 cait hi bg :)
16:57 bg heya oleonard and cait
16:58 magnuse good afternoon, #koha
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17:04 oleonard Testing a possible fix for Bug 7135:
17:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7135 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , save button options
17:05 cait that looks really nice!
17:05 * oleonard hasn't tested browsers yet
17:06 cait I have alibrary reporting they have problems with the pull down buttons
17:06 cait for a blind staff member
17:06 cait have to look into that sometime :(
17:07 bg you should say I have to "feel" into that sometime
17:07 bg :(
17:07 bg oh screencast is slow from India
17:08 cait bg: I think worst case is I will make it single links for them, but a solution that can go into koha would be nice
17:08 cait not sure how to test that though, will need the library helping
17:08 bg yeah more ADA the better - is the truth
17:24 nengard got a question about the isbn match when adding records - is it matching on the 020 in the marc or on the isbn field in the biblioitems table?
17:25 cait in cataloging or in staged import?
17:26 cait the staged imports use the zebra indexes, so 020 from the marc
17:26 nengard let's say in both
17:26 cait I think the duplicate check in cataloging works different
17:26 cait rangi once read the code for me
17:26 nengard hmmmm
17:26 cait it also checked the biblio level item type and some other things
17:27 nengard okay - i might need sekjal to do some code reading for me to solve this one then
17:28 cait sorry, I don't have the document here where I put it down :(
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17:33 collum ls
17:33 collum oops
17:37 cait hi collum
17:37 cait :)
17:37 collum hi cait  :-)
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17:53 cait hey - it's GBSD!
17:54 cait[…]bug_squashing_day
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18:10 oleonard Oh no I should have submitted my patches a few hours later!
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18:17 oleonard One of these days I hope we get a patch submitted or signed off on from someone actually on Kiritimati
18:18 magnuse hehe, that would be cool
18:18 * oleonard puts that on his list for when he's a fabulously wealthy wandering Koha dev
18:19 magnuse yay
18:21 cait :)
18:22 magnuse wandering koha dev sounds cool!
18:22 * oleonard should get into the business of installing Koha for eccentric billionaires.
18:22 libsysguy isn't that druthb?
18:23 cait hm, no
18:23 cait sounds more like jared
18:23 libsysguy oh haha
18:23 cait jcamins_away jcamins_away jcamins_away
18:23 * libsysguy should go nomad like jcamins
18:23 magnuse druthb has the "wandering" part down, at least ;-)
18:23 cait no, the nomad is druthb
18:23 magnuse what she said
18:24 libsysguy haha so can we have the best of both
18:24 libsysguy wandering devel for excentric millionaires
18:24 magnuse yay!
18:24 magnuse now we're talking
18:24 cait lol
18:24 * cait hands libsysguy and magnuse the last m&ms
18:24 cait take them away from me
18:24 cait eat them!
18:25 magnuse yum, thanks!
18:25 magnuse will do!
18:25 * libsysguy is already chowing down on some subway cookies :)
18:25 * libsysguy takes m&m's anyway
18:25 libsysguy nom nom nom
18:29 magnuse is chowing "Dumle", but that's probably a Norwegian specialty? chocolate-covered, soft caramels...
18:29 * magnuse shares some Dumle with #koha
18:29 cait ooh yummy
18:30 rangi morning
18:30 wizzyrea mornin :)
18:32 magnuse kia ora rangi
18:34 * oleonard is still getting used to seeing signoffs from rangi
18:35 rangi heh
18:35 rangi I can do that again now
18:35 magnuse rangi: since paul_p isn't here at the moment, is there some kind of kleenup after 3.6.0 that would be a good activity for gbsd (which is in progress as we speak...)?
18:36 cait hi rangi :)
18:36 magnuse like closing bugs or marking resolved or something
18:36 rangi exactly that
18:36 magnuse marking resolved *and* closing?
18:37 magnuse or just marking resolved fixed and then you do the closing?
18:38 rangi resolved fixed
18:38 rangi and paul does the closing
18:38 magnuse ah, ok cool
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18:39 rangi im done, done I say
18:39 nengard does the onloan field in the items table actually get populated properly?
18:39 rangi now I just get to do what I want :)
18:39 magnuse yay!
18:39 nengard rangi you want to sign off on my db documentation patches :) I know you do!! :)
18:39 rangi maybe after work :?
18:40 rangi :) even
18:40 magnuse rangi: i just thought i remembered you said you had a list of bugs you would close when 3.6.0 was out the door...
18:40 rangi thats all on the releasemanagement wiki
18:41 rangi I probably did say that
18:41 rangi not gonna tho
18:41 rangi :?
18:41 rangi hmm
18:41 rangi my shift key on the phone is being weird
18:44 magnuse ok, just wondering ;-)
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18:47 rangi @wunder Wellington nz
18:47 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 04, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
19:00 oleonard Not a peep from KohaCon today?
19:00 rangi my stop brb
19:01 cait oleonard: they were on the trip to mumbai today
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19:07 magnuse time to call it a day - have fun, #koha!
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19:08 cait bye magnuse
19:10 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7135] save button options <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7135>
19:11 oleonard ^ Looking for testers wrt browser compatibility
19:18 nengard cait, i'm trying to edit a report of yours
19:18 cait :)
19:18 nengard[…]Library#Patrons_w.2F_Fines
19:18 nengard I'm trying to limit it to patrons who are not expired
19:19 nengard my first attempt didn't work
19:19 cait ah ok
19:19 cait let me check
19:20 nengard figured it out!!
19:20 nengard I was doing something silly :)
19:20 nengard sorry about that
19:22 cait no problem :)
19:29 rangi back
19:31 oleonard wizzyrea: Do you have EnhancedMessagingPreferences enabled in your system?
19:31 wizzyrea yep
19:32 oleonard Anything in particular you found you needed to customize in the messages?
19:33 oleonard I notice the "Advance Notice of Item Due" notice says "due soon." No due date?
19:33 oleonard I guess there are issues with what information is available to various notices.
19:34 cait oleonard: I think there were some date formatting problems too
19:34 cait but some of them are working better now
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21:19 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard "due soon" has always annoyed me personally - I wish it would just tell me when it's due.
21:19 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:22 rangi due in 2913 seconds!
21:22 wizzyrea hehe
21:33 wizzyrea I guess it's not safe to assume that you would always want to update the patron category when you update a kid to an adult
21:34 rangi hmm?
21:34 cait how else would you update?
21:34 wizzyrea well there are types and there are categories
21:34 wizzyrea C, A for types
21:34 wizzyrea arbitrary categories
21:34 cait ok
21:34 cait I think I would assume you will always want to go from a c to a a category
21:35 wizzyrea they're independent
21:35 * cait can't follow
21:35 cait if you do it now in staff
21:35 cait hit the update button
21:35 wizzyrea so you've got the hardcoded types, right?
21:35 cait it will offer you all a categories
21:35 cait to choose one from, right?
21:35 wizzyrea this isn't in the web interface
21:36 cait I know
21:36 wizzyrea oh
21:36 wizzyrea so yea, ok... I think I'm right in the way I did it
21:36 cait I think updating the type does not make much sense
21:37 cait but updating the patron category
21:37 wizzyrea I was worried that it would be bad to assume that one wanted to update the type without updating the category
21:37 cait hm
21:37 wizzyrea I suppose you could have a library where they had a single category and the usual multiple types, but it's not terribly likely
21:37 cait I think you wil always want to update the category and leave the configuration for categories and types alone
21:37 wizzyrea well and geez
21:38 rangi ?
21:38 cait now you confused me liz :(
21:38 wizzyrea never mind.
21:38 wizzyrea :)
21:38 wizzyrea I think it's ok
21:38 cait ok
21:38 wizzyrea this is what I came up with:
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21:39 wizzyrea because the existing j2a didn't deal with the categories
21:39 wizzyrea only the type
21:39 wizzyrea and was thus worthless
21:40 wizzyrea well, less worthful
21:40 rangi *nod*
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21:40 rangi you need a license statement and copyright header fwiw :-) but full marks for the POD
21:41 rangi you get +10 more if you switch on use warnings
21:41 * wizzyrea can do both of those
21:41 rangi yay :)
21:42 wizzyrea that doesn't have the test mode bit that I want to put in
21:42 * rangi looks at bug 7077
21:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7077 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add system pref to control behavior of submitting empty barcode field on circulation page
21:42 rangi ahh test modes are always awesome
21:46 rangi oh and this
21:46 wahanui and this is probably the most crowded syspref tab
21:46 rangi git config --global 'show --word-diff=color'
21:46 rangi then type git sh
21:47 cait test modes? :)
21:47 wizzyrea the "show me what would happen if I ran this" mode
21:47 cait ah
21:47 wizzyrea "but don't actually do it"
21:47 cait yes
21:47 cait and a mail with updated patrons :)
21:47 wizzyrea I actually thought of that >.>
21:47 wizzyrea it was on my list of things that would be nice to have
21:47 rangi owen gets back functionality we had in 1.2 but that went missing
21:48 rangi oleonard++
21:48 * rangi tests more
21:49 cait oleonard++ indeed
21:49 cait he has been busy in acq too :)
21:49 rangi git config --global alias.lg "log --graph --pretty=format:'%Cred%h%Creset -%C(yellow)%d%Creset %s %Cgreen(%cr) %C(bold blue)<%an>%Creset' --abbrev-commit --date=relative"
21:49 rangi checkt that out
21:50 rangi try a git lg
21:50 cait the git thing is nice
21:50 cait sh is for?
21:50 rangi show
21:50 rhcl Well, LC says MARC and Z39-2 are dead?
21:50 cait ah k
21:51 rangi LoC says lots of things
21:51 rangi :)
21:51 rangi but id hope that this will at least hasten their demise
21:54 rhcl demise of LC?
21:55 rangi MARC
21:55 rangi its been dead for 30 years
21:55 rhcl oh
21:55 rangi doesnt stop ppl using it ;-)
21:57 talljoy speaking of MARC.
21:57 * talljoy ducks
21:57 talljoy i'm looking for authority records in the staff client and none are appearing like expected even after authorities are reindexed
21:58 cait how did you import them? an dhow are they not appearing as expected?
21:58 rangi if you change it search headings do they?
21:59 talljoy they appear when i click on 'search main heading' but not if i search on the default "search authorities'
21:59 talljoy how did i import....let me think....i believe it was through the command line.
21:59 rangi yeah, id noticed that before talljoy
21:59 rangi i think its a bug
22:00 rangi something changed recent ish
22:00 talljoy phew.  it's not me then.
22:00 cait hmmm
22:00 cait I tested something about authority searching and the default thing
22:00 cait perhaps I can find the bug
22:04 cait ah, I was thinking about bug 5910
22:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5910 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Authorities : allow users to search on all auth types
22:05 talljoy ok.  i need to see what version of koha i am looking at here.
22:08 talljoy authorities are going to be the death of me.
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22:09 cait talljoy: this bug is not in koha - so perhaps only confusing
22:11 talljoy i get that 'search main heading' will pull up my personal name authority records, but why does the 'search authorities' option return no results.
22:11 talljoy that seems bug-like
22:12 rangi yes, yes it does
22:14 talljoy lol.  I guess I'll enter a bug,  but I don't want any closer association with MARC authority records.
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22:36 rangi sup trea
22:36 trea hi rangi
22:37 trea how's welly today?
22:37 rangi @wunder wellington nz
22:37 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (11:00 AM NZDT on November 04, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling).
22:37 rangi and its more like 23 in here
22:37 rangi cos the aircon isnt working
22:40 ibeardslee rangi: on L7?
22:40 rangi yeah
22:40 ibeardslee does Pauline know?
22:40 rangi yes
22:40 ibeardslee cool .. .. .. ;)
22:40 rangi apparently ppl are coming to look
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22:53 cait bye #koha :)
22:53 rangi cya cait
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23:18 rangi wizzyrea: you got a sec?
23:19 rangi bug 7128 ... you might like to look at my follow up on there for gbsd :)
23:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7128 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , logged in and logged out states of are hard to style
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