IRC log for #koha, 2011-10-27

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00:04 rangi paulnz: ill make it work
00:06 paulnz rangi - excellent
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00:40 bg memcached?
00:41 eythian
00:45 bg heh no -
00:45 bg I was seeing in wahanui had anything for memcached ;)
00:45 eythian ah right :)
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01:01 slef the answer?
01:01 wahanui the answer is always go back to sleep
01:01 slef ok wahanui!
01:01 wahanui i am a bot
01:01 slef i am not
01:06 cait lol
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02:26 wizzyrea this is educational.
02:26 rangi heh
02:29 eythian call it research :)
02:29 wizzyrea it totally is.
02:29 wizzyrea the one that still gets me
02:30 wizzyrea is aeroplane
02:30 wizzyrea well more like aeroplin
02:30 wizzyrea to my ears
02:31 eythian you only really need one vowel.
02:31 ibeardslee welsh?
02:32 wizzyrea "strangled it's first vowel"
02:32 wizzyrea it's a quote, don't be mad.
02:32 wizzyrea :)
02:32 eythian heh
02:37 rangi paulnz: recommendations are building now
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03:00 paulnz nice one rangi
03:04 paulnz did you get hold of anyone at vic?
03:04 rangi not yet, i emailed dont have a reply yet, will chase up in the morning with a phone call
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03:51 kmkale Namaskaar #koha
03:56 kmkale rangi aroound?
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05:22 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7090] Add "AllowItemsOnHandCheckout" syspref to allow issue to the patron regardless of hold status <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7090>
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06:18 magnuse eythian: cool picture!
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06:19 alex_a hi
06:21 magnuse bonjour
06:21 wahanui que tal, magnuse
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06:43 reiveune1 hello
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07:05 asaurat hi !
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08:15 cait hi #koha
08:29 magnuse kia ora cait
08:29 cait good morning magnuse :)
08:29 * magnuse should have been at ili in london today... next year maybe?
08:34 cait hm what is ili?
08:36 magnuse
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08:46 druthb o/
08:46 kmkale heya druthb
08:46 kmkale when are you starting?
08:46 druthb hi, kmkale.  we leave tomorrow morning, our time.
08:46 druthb Can you do me a big favor right quick?
08:46 kmkale reaching?
08:46 kmkale sure
08:46 druthb Friday evening, Mumbai time.  :)
08:46 druthb Try to load  does it work?
08:46 druthb
08:46 magnuse \o
08:46 druthb (without all the extra dots..)
08:47 kmkale hehyes loads
08:47 druthb Hi, Magnus!
08:47 kmkale Namaaste magnuse
08:47 magnuse namaskar kmkale
08:47 magnuse druthb: works for me
08:48 kmkale druthb: friday is tomorrow. Planning to meet jo and brooke at Vihangs in the evening. What time are you likely to reach?
08:48 druthb thanx oodles magnus and kmkale.  it's 0500 here...bed.       We'll be there after drinks at vihangs--about 8 or 9, iirc...
08:48 druthb but I'm rooming with Jo and Brooke anyway.  :D
08:49 kmkale druthb: cool. see ya soon :)
08:49 kmkale i'll have to split early as its Baubeej tomorrow. Diner at sisters :)
08:50 kmkale druthb: on the above link I am getting image not loaded in 30 seconds bunch of such messages
08:51 druthb I'm not're a long way from the server.  I'll take a look at some optimizes in the morning.
08:51 druthb Must sleep.
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09:10 magnuse cait++
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10:43 cait bye all
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12:29 oleonard So what was it I was going to do when I got to work? I was thinking about it three hours ago...
12:30 jcamins_away oleonard: meetings?
12:30 wahanui meetings are getting longish, and I think that's happening from folks getting slammed at work. Pop in, talk to each other more. Should make for shorter meetings and better communication.
12:30 oleonard No meetings. I'm all alone this morning in the library's 27th floor executive suite.
12:32 paul_p oleonard: 27th floor ? In Athens ? really ? The building is new then ;-)
12:32 * Danielle_ shudders, remembering the weekly status meeting at $job[-1]
12:33 oleonard I might be exaggerating just a little bit.
12:34 * jcamins_away adds "executive suite" to his master plan.
12:34 jcamins_away Not on the twenty-seventh floor, though... I don't like heights.
12:38 magnuse wahanui: forget meetings
12:38 wahanui magnuse: I forgot meetings
12:40 oleonard!/oleonar[…]498678272/photo/1
12:41 * magnuse tries to figure out what oleonard is reading
12:42 oleonard[…]blionumber=170031
12:43 magnuse yay ;-)
12:44 oleonard Referencing rather than straight-up reading (although straight-up reading would do me better)
12:45 oleonard You guys are in that picture too, can you tell?
12:47 magnuse well, there's a koha staff screen
12:47 magnuse and maybe irc too?
12:47 oleonard That's my Chatzilla window on the right
12:47 magnuse yay
12:48 magnuse but what's that dark grey thingy with the buttons on the far left?
12:49 oleonard In the olden days we used to call that a phone.
12:49 magnuse ah
12:49 magnuse some sort of non-mobile? ;-)
12:50 oleonard The kind of phone where I have to read the instructions to do anything more complicated than a call.
12:50 magnuse hehe
12:50 magnuse the gui leaves something to be desired, then?
12:52 oleonard Could be worse:[…].cfm?imageID=1654
12:52 magnuse tee hee
12:52 oleonard ^^ That's what acquisitions is going to look like when cait and I get done with it ;)
12:53 magnuse lol
12:54 magnuse should be a long term goal for the whole intranet
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12:57 fabio_t Hi people! :)
13:01 oleonard Hi fabio_t
13:01 fabio_t I noticed that latest Koha versions offer .deb packages too. Is there any reason to prefer Git installation and upgrade over the .deb packaging ones for a production server (in a non-developer point of view)?
13:02 magnuse fabio_t: i'd say no, go with the packages
13:02 fabio_t hi there oleonard
13:02 fabio_t thank you magnuse
13:03 fabio_t I'm not that familiar with Git
13:03 fabio_t that would be easier for us.
13:03 fabio_t (packages)
13:03 magnuse you only need git if you are going to do development, or apply patches yourself
13:04 magnuse to run "straight koha" the packages are handy
13:04 fabio_t Do i need Git to apply local patches too?
13:05 magnuse hm, not 100% sure about the corrdct answer to that one - it certainly makes it easier, i think
13:05 magnuse anyone else got an opinion on that?
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13:07 jcamins_away fabio_t: yes, you need to use git if you are doing any development.
13:07 jcamins_away fabio_t: but packages are *much* easier to use.
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13:08 jcamins fabio_t: as a general rule, though, I'd recommend against hot-patching your production system anyway.
13:08 fabio_t thank you jcamins
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13:08 jcamins Did I just make up the term "hot-patching"? It sounded good in my head, but doesn't look quite right when written.
13:09 magnuse you can also build your own packages - that way you can run off packages but also incorporate patches
13:09 * jcamins does that
13:09 magnuse debian/build-git-snapshot makes it quite easy to make packages
13:09 jcamins One warning about building your own packages, though: some people have trouble with it.
13:09 * magnuse does it too
13:09 fabio_t if I will develop something, moreover, i'd be happy to share with the community
13:10 magnuse fabio_t++
13:10 fabio_t right magnuse, thanks
13:11 nengard jcamins!! need your help :)
13:11 jcamins fabio_t: here's what I'd recommend: use packages, but have a git install on a development system for development. If you make any changes you need for production, roll your own package, and use that.
13:11 jcamins nengard: uh-oh.
13:11 nengard hehe
13:11 jcamins nengard: how can I help?
13:11 nengard easy peasy :)
13:12 nengard i'm writing the analytics part of the manual
13:12 nengard and linda mentioned there is a delink option
13:12 nengard but i can't find it
13:12 nengard also the used in column never fills in for me
13:12 nengard are these bugs or am i missing a step?
13:12 jcamins Lemme check on Master.
13:12 nengard[…]7d780d10b1349e908
13:13 nengard for what i wrote so far
13:13 fabio_t thank you guys - I love Koha, and the whole community is great
13:14 fabio_t see you, I have to leave
13:14 jcamins One correction- "catalog" not "catlaog". ;)
13:14 magnuse see you fabio_t
13:14 nengard found the delink!!
13:14 nengard thanks for finding the typo
13:14 jcamins Good!
13:14 nengard but not sure about the used in column
13:14 jcamins But used in still isn't working for you?
13:14 nengard right
13:15 nengard keep in mind i might be missing a step
13:16 jcamins Checking out master now.
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13:17 jcamins We're still on 3.6 for Master? Huh. Hadn't realized that.
13:20 jcamins nengard: additional change: I fixed the issue with the 773 indicator.
13:20 jcamins That is a problem only for MDAH.
13:20 nengard oh! good stuff
13:20 jcamins (retrospective problem, not going forward, once they update to 3.6)
13:20 nengard two more pushes:[…]ocs.git;a=summary
13:21 * jcamins is waiting for Zebra to reindex.
13:21 jcamins Hm. I'm not seeing the Used in.
13:22 jcamins Not seeing the record I just created, either...
13:22 jcamins Oh, cron's disabled.
13:25 jcamins I wonder why I did that.
13:25 * chris_n wonders what is is about "I don't provide individualized support" that some folks don't seem to understand :P
13:25 jcamins "Used in" is working for me.
13:26 jcamins It just says things like "1 analytics" though. No titles.
13:26 jcamins What was I doing on this VM?
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13:27 jcamins (that was not a rhetorical question, I'm hoping I mentioned it)
13:27 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6818] acquisitions basket groups could use some design work <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6818>
13:31 jcamins chris_n: why do people even come up with the idea of contacting you directly?
13:31 jcamins nengard: you know that the "Used in" column is filled in only for the host record, right?
13:31 nengard jcamins I don't see used in 1 analytics ? is ther esomething i need to do to my record to make that happen? some magic?
13:31 nengard yes
13:32 nengard but it's not filled in on anything for me
13:32 nengard let me go rebuild the zebra and try one more time
13:32 jcamins nengard: once I reindexed, it worked properly.
13:32 nengard is there another cron i need?
13:32 jcamins Wait... I have a guess.
13:32 jcamins There shouldn't be.
13:32 jcamins What framework are you using?
13:32 * oleonard writes "contact chris_n for KOHA! help" in every public restroom
13:32 chris_n jcamins: perhaps they grab names, etc. from the home page of the website or some such
13:32 chris_n LOL
13:32 nengard i started with the fast add framework and then when i did the link it changed the framework to default
13:32 jcamins "KOHA!" help, no less. :)
13:33 magnuse lol
13:33 jcamins Your fast add framework doesn't have 773$0 and 773$9.
13:34 * chris_n now knows where all of the spam is coming from ;-)
13:34 jcamins That's one addition we need to the manual: whatever framework you use for analytics *must* have 773$9 and 773$0 defined.
13:34 nengard jcamins but when i edited it it changed to default framework
13:34 nengard but it is possible i don't have 773 in that one
13:34 nengard so let me fix
13:35 jcamins I'm guessing the problem is Javascript.
13:35 jcamins Where if you start out with one, and it switches to the other, it still fails to populate the 773$0 and 773$9.
13:36 jcamins (though I can't recreate the problem)
13:36 nengard grrr
13:36 nengard will try again after i get bg coffee :)
13:38 jcamins Errr... isn't it a bit late for bg to be hanging around?
13:38 jcamins Shouldn't he be over Europe now?
13:42 sekjal jcamins: our flight leaves at 8:30 tonight
13:43 jcamins sekjal: oh, Shari and I thought you were leaving at 8:30 yesterday.
13:43 jcamins Whoops.
13:43 sekjal thankfully, no.  then I'd be REALLY behind
13:44 * jcamins pushes his master plan to nominate sekjal, bg, and druthb for a whole bunch of jobs back by one day. ;)
13:47 * oleonard hasn't traveled internationally for about 10 years, but still has anxiety dreams about not being ready for his flight
13:47 jcamins @later tell druthb The front page of your blog didn't update. Don't forget to rsync the whole website, and not just the one new post.
13:47 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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14:11 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7105] Bad sql request in GetSubscriptions <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7105>
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14:45 libsysguy hey does anybody know when druthb will be back around?
14:45 magnus_afk she's in/on her way to india - hard to tell...
14:46 libsysguy ohhh
14:46 libsysguy we can all play where in the world is druthb
14:46 magnus_afk heh
14:46 jcamins libsysguy: Newark area. :P
14:46 * jcamins wins.
14:47 libsysguy dang it jcamins
14:47 magnus_afk that was quick
14:47 libsysguy jcamins has druthb bugged
14:47 magnus_afk hehe
14:48 Danielle_ Or in the circle of trust. >.>
14:49 * jcamins tries to figure out how much equity he has in his closely-held LLC, and fails utterly.
14:50 Danielle_ Forensic Accountant time? ;)
14:50 * chris_n launches another explanatory missive, but feels the issue is becoming over-complicated :-(
14:51 jcamins Danielle_: more like "explain to dummy over there what he's doing wrong." ;)
14:52 wizzyrea i had lots of dreams last year about missing my plane to NZ
14:57 rhcl_away ?
14:58 oleonard wizzyrea's on a 1-hour delay rhcl_away.
14:58 wizzyrea that
15:01 rhcl_away Well, that's why she missed her plane then.
15:02 wizzyrea meh
15:08 libsysguy report question
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15:08 libsysguy if i wanted to doa dropdown in a report to see all the available funds
15:08 libsysguy how would i format the  <<>> bit
15:09 wizzyrea the drop downs are dependent on authorized values
15:09 wizzyrea and only some of them work, iirc
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15:09 libsysguy is there a way to see the authorized values?
15:09 wizzyrea administration -> Authorized Values
15:10 wizzyrea but I think only itype, ccode work
15:10 wizzyrea it's in the manual
15:10 wizzyrea which ones
15:10 wizzyrea possibly in the online help too
15:10 wizzyrea afk
15:11 libsysguy so if i created a new one…it wouldn't work?
15:11 libsysguy like a new category
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15:14 rhcl A mildly interesting project to follow:
15:14 rhcl They chat on freenode at #opencores
15:16 nengard libsysguy, drthb is on her way to my house actually
15:16 libsysguy oh really?
15:16 nengard she'll be around in a few hours for a bit before going to the airport or Inda
15:16 nengard India
15:16 nengard bg is here -druthb, sekjal and JesseM are on their way :)
15:16 nengard gonna have a mini bywater gathering at my house
15:17 libsysguy ok cool…well if she feels up to it I have a data question for her…otherwise it can wait
15:17 libsysguy ohh fun…is there dip and chips?
15:17 jcamins Wow, she can go to India without going to the airport? Lucky!
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15:18 libsysguy nengard did you see my question about the reports?
15:18 nengard no i did not
15:19 libsysguy nengard:  if i wanted to doa dropdown in a report to see all the available funds
15:19 libsysguy how would i format the <<>> bit
15:19 nengard not possible ?
15:19 nengard funds is not a runtime parameter
15:19 libsysguy oh
15:19 nengard i think i have a bug for it
15:19 libsysguy gotcha
15:19 nengard bug 6961
15:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6961 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , runtime parameter for fund codes
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15:20 cait hi koha
15:20 libsysguy thanks nengard++
15:20 rhcl hi cait
15:21 nengard no prob
15:21 nengard hi cait
15:21 cait hi rhcl, libsysguy and nengard :)
15:21 libsysguy hi cait :)
15:21 magnus_afk kia ora cait
15:22 magnus_afk @seen rangi
15:22 huginn magnus_afk: rangi was last seen in #koha 12 hours, 17 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <rangi> not yet, i emailed dont have a reply yet, will chase up in the morning with a phone call
15:23 cait hi magnus_afk :)
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15:48 nengard jcamins - two bugs reported related to what I saw in analytics tests - it might be just me, but hopefully someone can figure them out
15:48 nengard bug 7107 and bug 7106
15:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7107 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , 'used in' column on analytics not populating
15:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7106 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , analytics links broken
15:49 jcamins I will take a look if I can.
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15:57 nengard releast notes question for anyone who can answer - it says "New permission for overdues report" - but where is it?
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16:03 oleonard nengard:[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5876
16:03 huginn Bug 5876: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, New permission for overdues report
16:03 oleonard Not a fix for Bug 6898 as you probably hoped
16:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6898 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions
16:04 nengard so it's not a new permission
16:04 nengard an existing permission
16:05 oleonard A misleading bug title becomes a misleading release notes item.
16:09 nengard :)
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16:14 trea o/
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16:34 oleonard Hi cait
16:34 cait hi oleonard
16:34 cait :)
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16:55 NCARLibrary Hey there people!
16:55 NCARLibrary Might anyone be interested in hearing my Stats question?
16:57 oleonard We won't know until you ask
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17:10 Oak true story
17:16 NCARLibrary Circ Statistics...
17:17 NCARLibrary I get no data in the body of the results...only totals.
17:22 NCARLibrary Could it be a bug?  Or just user error?
17:26 NCARLibrary Sorry for the delayed question...people just walk right up to you and start talking when you work at a library.
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17:35 cait NCARLibrary: using the statistic wizard?
17:35 NCARLibrary yes, the wizard
17:36 cait hm
17:36 cait I think you have to select one field for column and one for row
17:37 NCARLibrary i get all my totals, along bottom and down the right side
17:37 cait what are you trying to search for?
17:37 NCARLibrary i selected patron category for row
17:37 NCARLibrary and shelving loc as column
17:38 cait hm
17:38 NCARLibrary i'm just trying to get circ stats for various patron categories at various shelving locations
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17:38 NCARLibrary might be some issue with my local instance that Galen needs to tweak, I suppose.
17:38 cait perhaps you can find a good report to do that in the reports library?
17:39 cait my database here is almost empty, so I get no results at all :(
17:39 NCARLibrary yeah, i could work around with a report
17:39 NCARLibrary time for lunch.  i'll shoot Galen an email.
17:39 NCARLibrary thanks
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17:44 * oleonard wonders what version NCARLibrary is on
17:44 * oleonard remembers the problems we had with reports output right after the T:T switch
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17:46 Oak @later tell Brooke hi, watch "Frequently Asked Questions About Time Travel" very good
17:46 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
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18:34 rangi morning
18:34 bg morning dude
18:34 ebegin hello all! Long time no talk, see, etc ;)
18:35 bg heya ebegin
18:35 rangi heya ebegin
18:35 rangi bg: whens the flight?
18:35 rangi @wunder wellington nz
18:35 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 28, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
18:36 ebegin @wunder montreal, canada
18:36 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is 4.0�C (2:00 PM EDT on October 27, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
18:36 rangi ebegin: I have some beer from quebec in my fridge
18:36 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7108] opaclanguagesdisplay: Lists of "Similar" languages break display across multiple lines <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7108>
18:37 rangi got given it as a gift at the conference last week
18:39 oleonard Thank goodness beer can go through customs
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18:40 rangi yep I took some with me, brought some back
18:40 rangi no drama either way
18:40 rangi its just food/plants we dont let in
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18:41 jcamins Drinks made of plants are good?
18:41 jcamins :)
18:41 wizzyrea oh, is this real
18:41 cait they let my chocolate in too :)
18:41 wizzyrea do I really have internet?
18:41 wizzyrea I do!
18:42 cait only had to show it and they even talked german with me :)
18:42 cait hi wizzyrea :)
18:42 wizzyrea lordie!
18:42 rangi jcamins: boiled plants are ok
18:42 wizzyrea I guess the backbone for our local internet provider went completely down
18:42 rangi :)
18:42 rangi ouch
18:42 wizzyrea guess they'll be looking at their redundancy strategies :P
18:43 rangi I love how corporates make the internet less robust
18:43 rangi the market .... its full of shit
18:43 wizzyrea even though they supposedly have 3 backbone providers?
18:44 * wizzyrea grumbles
18:44 wizzyrea but I'm happy it's back up
18:44 rangi :)
18:47 rangi
18:48 wizzyrea lol what is he doing?
18:48 rangi lil man has reflux still, so he has a computer attached to him
18:48 wizzyrea OH
18:48 wizzyrea poor lil guy
18:48 rangi measuring ph levels
18:48 rangi he doesn't mind
18:48 rangi its his packpack
18:48 wizzyrea awwww
18:48 rangi :)
18:49 rangi comes out in 5 hours
18:49 wizzyrea (well, reflux sucks so, still poor guy about that bit)
18:49 rangi then they should know whats going on
18:49 rangi yeah
18:49 rangi tonsils and adanoids coming out
18:49 rangi on the 16th
18:49 wizzyrea oh zounds!
18:49 trea ya :-/
18:50 rangi lucky he's a tough lil bugger
18:50 wizzyrea *nod*
18:50 wizzyrea he looks cheery enough in that pic :)
18:51 rangi yep
18:51 rangi nothing seems to worry him much
18:51 rangi but I think he will be a lot happier with less interrupted sleep
18:52 rangi the only problem now is he thinks he is dora
18:52 rangi and keeps trying to get stuff out of his backpack
18:52 wizzyrea hehe
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18:53 bg rangi: flight is in 5 hours
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18:54 bg we're still holding up at nengard house
18:54 rangi so laurel will be happy when it comes out
18:54 rangi its a full on job watching his hands
18:54 rangi ahh cool
18:56 rangi lol
18:57 rangi lead news item today
18:57 rangi "pupils punished for going to parade"
18:57 rangi oh the problems we have
18:58 oleonard I've discovered a problem in the en-GB and en-NZ translations
18:58 rangi oh?
18:58 oleonard Looks like escaping backslashes in JavaScript are getting escaped again
18:58 oleonard _('Are you sure you want to renew this member\\'s registration?')
18:59 rangi ah thats possible
18:59 oleonard should be
18:59 oleonard _('Are you sure you want to renew this member\'s registration?')
18:59 rangi right and all the other languages dont have retarded 's
18:59 rangi so doesn't get them
18:59 rangi sounds like. po file is wrong
19:00 rangi ill take a look after the next 3 conferences :)
19:00 oleonard File a bug?
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19:04 maximep just saw the same in fr-FR. Had \\t instead of \t
19:05 cait pootle doesn't like those
19:05 cait it will always make them wrong
19:05 cait best is to edit the file directly
19:05 cait that's the reason I removed all \n from the translations
19:06 cait or better, make it ".... ' "
19:06 ebegin Speaking of pootle, is there a way to replace a complete file with the one I'm uploading ?
19:06 oleonard Bug 7109, for what it's worth. Sounds like it's really a template-processing bug that needs a more comprehensive fix.
19:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7109 major, P5, ---, frederic, NEW , Error in en-GB and en-NZ templates causes JavaScript errors
19:07 maximep the en template should really just put the string in " " instead of escaping
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19:09 maximep spent the last 3 hours fixing translation bugs :/
19:09 oleonard maximep: That might work for \t, but not for apostrophes in english sentences
19:10 maximep huh, why wouldn't it
19:10 maximep french has way more ' than english, so always fixing those
19:10 oleonard Maybe I misunderstand you, but wouldn't that break up the string and make translation more difficult?
19:10 maximep instead of _('Are you sure you want to renew this patron\'s registration?')
19:11 maximep _("Are you sure you want to renew this patron's registration?")
19:11 cait ebegin: you can overwrite but need a permission for that - ask fredericd
19:12 oleonard maximep: I see. Does that work with the translation tool?
19:12 ebegin cait, thanks. it seems that he is away atm
19:12 rangi oleonard: i think it does
19:12 cait you can add as suggestion, merge and overwrite I think - 3 options
19:12 rangi oleonard: but id have to try to be sure
19:13 maximep oleonard: yes
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19:14 cait oleonard: it does, the other problem is, that normally I would use "" for quiting things in German
19:14 cait and I can't use those
19:14 cait both ways it's annoying sometimes
19:14 cait but consistency would be nice
19:14 cait hm quoting I mean
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19:14 maximep pretty sure " is used in most places
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19:27 oleonard So switching from one quote to another doesn't fix the problem. Can we fix the double-\ problem?
19:27 maximep yeah that was jsut a workaround for a real bug
19:29 rangi oleonard: we have to find where the \\ are being added, is pootle doing it, or is the translation tools doing it
19:33 * oleonard is finding that the language-chooser in the staff client doesn't reflect the current language choice
19:33 oleonard Bugs are scaring out bugs
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20:08 oleonard Why do we have biblio.copyrightdate and biblioitems.publicationyear?
20:08 rangi cos in the olden days
20:08 rangi you had one biblio many biblioitems
20:08 rangi copyright date didnt change, the publication one did
20:08 cait oh
20:09 wizzyrea much more like frbr
20:09 oleonard So copyright date was like "original copyright date" ?
20:09 rangi yeah MARC broke all that stuff
20:09 rangi stupid marc
20:09 * oleonard is sure he's been told this before
20:09 rangi yup
20:10 rangi there really is no reason for the biblio/biblioitems split anymore,it should go away
20:10 rangi since marc will never die and our grandchildren will still be dealing with this crap
20:10 * oleonard just discovered list sorting by year doesn't work because it tries to sort by biblioitems.publicationyear which is empty because default Koha to MARC mapping doesn't map it to anything
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20:15 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:15 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0�C (10:00 PM CEST on October 27, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
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20:15 cait oleonard: I think it does for unimarc
20:15 cait oleonard: marc21 links to copyrightdate
20:16 cait and no... that's no fun
20:16 oleonard I know...and why the difference? Some arbitrary choice in the past?
20:16 * wizzyrea bets on arbitrary
20:16 nengard hey all - i'm looking for the bug report about the staff client results saying things are available even when they're not
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20:18 cait oleonard: I have no idea
20:21 wizzyrea bug 2708
20:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2708 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Checked out items saying available
20:21 wizzyrea but many times that has to do with index lag
20:30 nengard thanks wizzyrea
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20:45 wizzyrea ok smarties
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20:45 wizzyrea nm lol
20:45 rangi heh
20:47 cait ?
20:47 cait smarties?
20:47 ibeardslee mmmm smarties
20:48 ibeardslee ?
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21:29 libsysguy hey #Koha
21:33 libsysguy what table do list get stored in?
21:34 rangi http://schema.koha-community.o[…]rtualshelves.html
21:34 rangi and
21:34 rangi http://schema.koha-community.o[…]helfcontents.html
21:34 libsysguy sweet thanks rangi…i swear one day ill get the tables down pat
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21:56 wizzyrea i love you,
21:57 wizzyrea sincerely
21:57 wizzyrea is there a wiki on making and using sysprefs?
21:57 wizzyrea i has a curious
21:58 libsysguy apparently that procedure changed since i last did it
21:58 libsysguy because my patch got rejected :'(
21:58 wizzyrea urf
21:58 wizzyrea i'm looking at the renewal sysprefs
21:58 wizzyrea the renewal_blocked_fines really ought to be dependent on OpacRenewalAllowed
21:59 libsysguy hmm
21:59 wizzyrea as in, anything relating to renewals in the opac
21:59 libsysguy can you set dependent behaviors in sysprefs?
21:59 libsysguy *n00b question*
21:59 wizzyrea if OpacRenewalAllowed is off, nothing should ever show ever about renewals
22:00 wizzyrea right now it's a kludgy workaround of setting the threshold super high and praying.
22:00 wizzyrea to not see a message about renewals
22:00 wizzyrea my assumption was that if it can be codified, it could be done. maybe that's wrong.
22:01 libsysguy hmm sorry wizzyrea but im not the expert in that area :-\
22:01 wizzyrea oh it's all good
22:01 wizzyrea i'm pondering just poking at it until I figure it out :P
22:02 wizzyrea hoo boy look at the time >.>
22:02 wizzyrea what should I have for dinner?
22:02 libsysguy mashed potatoes
22:02 eythian wizzyrea: there is a wiki page about writing sysprefs
22:02 wizzyrea shepherd's pie, good idea
22:02 eythian[…]ystem_Preferences
22:02 wizzyrea cool thanks eythian
22:03 eythian needs some updating, really. For 3.6 you don't have to worry about translations, just stick it in the english one and some magic happens somewhere.
22:03 wizzyrea yea that's what I thought
22:05 wizzyrea *saved in my tabs for tomorrow*
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