Time Nick Message
00:04 rangi paulnz: ill make it work
00:06 paulnz rangi - excellent
00:40 bg memcached?
00:41 eythian wrongwindow.com?
00:45 bg heh no -
00:45 bg I was seeing in wahanui had anything for memcached ;)
00:45 eythian ah right :)
01:01 slef the answer?
01:01 wahanui the answer is always go back to sleep
01:01 slef ok wahanui!
01:01 wahanui i am a bot
01:01 slef i am not
01:06 cait lol
02:13 eythian http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/new-zild-2005
02:26 wizzyrea this is educational.
02:26 rangi heh
02:29 eythian call it research :)
02:29 wizzyrea it totally is.
02:29 wizzyrea the one that still gets me
02:30 wizzyrea is aeroplane
02:30 wizzyrea well more like aeroplin
02:30 wizzyrea to my ears
02:31 eythian you only really need one vowel.
02:31 ibeardslee welsh?
02:32 wizzyrea "strangled it's first vowel"
02:32 wizzyrea it's a quote, don't be mad.
02:32 wizzyrea :)
02:32 eythian heh
02:37 rangi paulnz: recommendations are building now
03:00 paulnz nice one rangi
03:04 paulnz did you get hold of anyone at vic?
03:04 rangi not yet, i emailed dont have a reply yet, will chase up in the morning with a phone call
03:51 kmkale Namaskaar #koha
03:56 kmkale rangi aroound?
05:12 eythian http://imgur.com/HeCr1
05:22 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7090] Add "AllowItemsOnHandCheckout" syspref to allow issue to the patron regardless of hold status <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7090>
06:18 magnuse eythian: cool picture!
06:19 alex_a hi
06:21 magnuse bonjour
06:21 wahanui que tal, magnuse
06:43 reiveune1 hello
07:05 asaurat hi !
08:15 cait hi #koha
08:29 magnuse kia ora cait
08:29 cait good morning magnuse :)
08:29 * magnuse should have been at ili in london today... next year maybe?
08:34 cait hm what is ili?
08:36 magnuse http://www.internet-librarian.com/2011/
08:46 druthb o/
08:46 kmkale heya druthb
08:46 kmkale when are you starting?
08:46 druthb hi, kmkale. we leave tomorrow morning, our time.
08:46 druthb Can you do me a big favor right quick?
08:46 kmkale reaching?
08:46 kmkale sure
08:46 druthb Friday evening, Mumbai time. :)
08:46 druthb Try to load http://www.kathleenmscanlon.com/galleries.html.... does it work?
08:46 druthb http://www.kathleenmscanlon.com/galleries.html
08:46 magnuse \o
08:46 druthb (without all the extra dots..)
08:47 kmkale hehyes loads
08:47 druthb Hi, Magnus!
08:47 kmkale Namaaste magnuse
08:47 magnuse namaskar kmkale
08:47 magnuse druthb: works for me
08:48 kmkale druthb: friday is tomorrow. Planning to meet jo and brooke at Vihangs in the evening. What time are you likely to reach?
08:48 druthb thanx oodles magnus and kmkale. it's 0500 here...bed. We'll be there after drinks at vihangs--about 8 or 9, iirc...
08:48 druthb but I'm rooming with Jo and Brooke anyway. :D
08:49 kmkale druthb: cool. see ya soon :)
08:49 kmkale i'll have to split early as its Baubeej tomorrow. Diner at sisters :)
08:50 kmkale druthb: on the above link I am getting image not loaded in 30 seconds bunch of such messages
08:51 druthb I'm not surprised...you're a long way from the server. I'll take a look at some optimizes in the morning.
08:51 druthb Must sleep.
09:10 magnuse cait++
10:43 cait bye all
12:29 oleonard So what was it I was going to do when I got to work? I was thinking about it three hours ago...
12:30 jcamins_away oleonard: meetings?
12:30 wahanui meetings are getting longish, and I think that's happening from folks getting slammed at work. Pop in, talk to each other more. Should make for shorter meetings and better communication.
12:30 oleonard No meetings. I'm all alone this morning in the library's 27th floor executive suite.
12:32 paul_p oleonard: 27th floor ? In Athens ? really ? The building is new then ;-)
12:32 * Danielle_ shudders, remembering the weekly status meeting at $job[-1]
12:33 oleonard I might be exaggerating just a little bit.
12:34 * jcamins_away adds "executive suite" to his master plan.
12:34 jcamins_away Not on the twenty-seventh floor, though... I don't like heights.
12:38 magnuse wahanui: forget meetings
12:38 wahanui magnuse: I forgot meetings
12:40 oleonard https://twitter.com/#!/oleonard/status/129537423498678272/photo/1
12:41 * magnuse tries to figure out what oleonard is reading
12:42 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=170031
12:43 magnuse yay ;-)
12:44 oleonard Referencing rather than straight-up reading (although straight-up reading would do me better)
12:45 oleonard You guys are in that picture too, can you tell?
12:47 magnuse well, there's a koha staff screen
12:47 magnuse and maybe irc too?
12:47 oleonard That's my Chatzilla window on the right
12:47 magnuse yay
12:48 magnuse but what's that dark grey thingy with the buttons on the far left?
12:49 oleonard In the olden days we used to call that a phone.
12:49 magnuse ah
12:49 magnuse some sort of non-mobile? ;-)
12:50 oleonard The kind of phone where I have to read the instructions to do anything more complicated than a call.
12:50 magnuse hehe
12:50 magnuse the gui leaves something to be desired, then?
12:52 oleonard Could be worse: http://www.nasm.si.edu/imageDetail.cfm?imageID=1654
12:52 magnuse tee hee
12:52 oleonard ^^ That's what acquisitions is going to look like when cait and I get done with it ;)
12:53 magnuse lol
12:54 magnuse should be a long term goal for the whole intranet
12:57 fabio_t Hi people! :)
13:01 oleonard Hi fabio_t
13:01 fabio_t I noticed that latest Koha versions offer .deb packages too. Is there any reason to prefer Git installation and upgrade over the .deb packaging ones for a production server (in a non-developer point of view)?
13:02 magnuse fabio_t: i'd say no, go with the packages
13:02 fabio_t hi there oleonard
13:02 fabio_t thank you magnuse
13:03 fabio_t I'm not that familiar with Git
13:03 fabio_t that would be easier for us.
13:03 fabio_t (packages)
13:03 magnuse you only need git if you are going to do development, or apply patches yourself
13:04 magnuse to run "straight koha" the packages are handy
13:04 fabio_t Do i need Git to apply local patches too?
13:05 magnuse hm, not 100% sure about the corrdct answer to that one - it certainly makes it easier, i think
13:05 magnuse anyone else got an opinion on that?
13:07 jcamins_away fabio_t: yes, you need to use git if you are doing any development.
13:07 jcamins_away fabio_t: but packages are *much* easier to use.
13:08 jcamins fabio_t: as a general rule, though, I'd recommend against hot-patching your production system anyway.
13:08 fabio_t thank you jcamins
13:08 jcamins Did I just make up the term "hot-patching"? It sounded good in my head, but doesn't look quite right when written.
13:09 magnuse you can also build your own packages - that way you can run off packages but also incorporate patches
13:09 * jcamins does that
13:09 magnuse debian/build-git-snapshot makes it quite easy to make packages
13:09 jcamins One warning about building your own packages, though: some people have trouble with it.
13:09 * magnuse does it too
13:09 fabio_t if I will develop something, moreover, i'd be happy to share with the community
13:10 magnuse fabio_t++
13:10 fabio_t right magnuse, thanks
13:11 nengard jcamins!! need your help :)
13:11 jcamins fabio_t: here's what I'd recommend: use packages, but have a git install on a development system for development. If you make any changes you need for production, roll your own package, and use that.
13:11 jcamins nengard: uh-oh.
13:11 nengard hehe
13:11 jcamins nengard: how can I help?
13:11 nengard easy peasy :)
13:12 nengard i'm writing the analytics part of the manual
13:12 nengard and linda mentioned there is a delink option
13:12 nengard but i can't find it
13:12 nengard also the used in column never fills in for me
13:12 nengard are these bugs or am i missing a step?
13:12 jcamins Lemme check on Master.
13:12 nengard http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=commitdiff;h=922e8401d3868e0c64d72b87d780d10b1349e908
13:13 nengard for what i wrote so far
13:13 fabio_t thank you guys - I love Koha, and the whole community is great
13:14 fabio_t see you, I have to leave
13:14 jcamins One correction- "catalog" not "catlaog". ;)
13:14 magnuse see you fabio_t
13:14 nengard found the delink!!
13:14 nengard thanks for finding the typo
13:14 jcamins Good!
13:14 nengard but not sure about the used in column
13:14 jcamins But used in still isn't working for you?
13:14 nengard right
13:15 nengard keep in mind i might be missing a step
13:16 jcamins Checking out master now.
13:17 jcamins We're still on 3.6 for Master? Huh. Hadn't realized that.
13:20 jcamins nengard: additional change: I fixed the issue with the 773 indicator.
13:20 jcamins That is a problem only for MDAH.
13:20 nengard oh! good stuff
13:20 jcamins (retrospective problem, not going forward, once they update to 3.6)
13:20 nengard two more pushes: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=summary
13:21 * jcamins is waiting for Zebra to reindex.
13:21 jcamins Hm. I'm not seeing the Used in.
13:22 jcamins Not seeing the record I just created, either...
13:22 jcamins Oh, cron's disabled.
13:25 jcamins I wonder why I did that.
13:25 * chris_n wonders what is is about "I don't provide individualized support" that some folks don't seem to understand :P
13:25 jcamins "Used in" is working for me.
13:26 jcamins It just says things like "1 analytics" though. No titles.
13:26 jcamins What was I doing on this VM?
13:27 jcamins (that was not a rhetorical question, I'm hoping I mentioned it)
13:27 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6818] acquisitions basket groups could use some design work <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6818>
13:31 jcamins chris_n: why do people even come up with the idea of contacting you directly?
13:31 jcamins nengard: you know that the "Used in" column is filled in only for the host record, right?
13:31 nengard jcamins I don't see used in 1 analytics ? is ther esomething i need to do to my record to make that happen? some magic?
13:31 nengard yes
13:32 nengard but it's not filled in on anything for me
13:32 nengard let me go rebuild the zebra and try one more time
13:32 jcamins nengard: once I reindexed, it worked properly.
13:32 nengard is there another cron i need?
13:32 jcamins Wait... I have a guess.
13:32 jcamins There shouldn't be.
13:32 jcamins What framework are you using?
13:32 * oleonard writes "contact chris_n for KOHA! help" in every public restroom
13:32 chris_n jcamins: perhaps they grab names, etc. from the home page of the website or some such
13:32 chris_n LOL
13:32 nengard i started with the fast add framework and then when i did the link it changed the framework to default
13:32 jcamins "KOHA!" help, no less. :)
13:33 magnuse lol
13:33 jcamins Your fast add framework doesn't have 773$0 and 773$9.
13:34 * chris_n now knows where all of the spam is coming from ;-)
13:34 jcamins That's one addition we need to the manual: whatever framework you use for analytics *must* have 773$9 and 773$0 defined.
13:34 nengard jcamins but when i edited it it changed to default framework
13:34 nengard but it is possible i don't have 773 in that one
13:34 nengard so let me fix
13:35 jcamins I'm guessing the problem is Javascript.
13:35 jcamins Where if you start out with one, and it switches to the other, it still fails to populate the 773$0 and 773$9.
13:36 jcamins (though I can't recreate the problem)
13:36 nengard grrr
13:36 nengard will try again after i get bg coffee :)
13:38 jcamins Errr... isn't it a bit late for bg to be hanging around?
13:38 jcamins Shouldn't he be over Europe now?
13:42 sekjal jcamins: our flight leaves at 8:30 tonight
13:43 jcamins sekjal: oh, Shari and I thought you were leaving at 8:30 yesterday.
13:43 jcamins Whoops.
13:43 sekjal thankfully, no. then I'd be REALLY behind
13:44 * jcamins pushes his master plan to nominate sekjal, bg, and druthb for a whole bunch of jobs back by one day. ;)
13:47 * oleonard hasn't traveled internationally for about 10 years, but still has anxiety dreams about not being ready for his flight
13:47 jcamins @later tell druthb The front page of your blog didn't update. Don't forget to rsync the whole website, and not just the one new post.
13:47 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:11 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7105] Bad sql request in GetSubscriptions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7105>
14:45 libsysguy hey does anybody know when druthb will be back around?
14:45 magnus_afk she's in/on her way to india - hard to tell...
14:46 libsysguy ohhh
14:46 libsysguy we can all play where in the world is druthb
14:46 magnus_afk heh
14:46 jcamins libsysguy: Newark area. :P
14:46 * jcamins wins.
14:47 libsysguy dang it jcamins
14:47 magnus_afk that was quick
14:47 libsysguy jcamins has druthb bugged
14:47 magnus_afk hehe
14:48 Danielle_ Or in the circle of trust. >.>
14:49 * jcamins tries to figure out how much equity he has in his closely-held LLC, and fails utterly.
14:50 Danielle_ Forensic Accountant time? ;)
14:50 * chris_n launches another explanatory missive, but feels the issue is becoming over-complicated :-(
14:51 jcamins Danielle_: more like "explain to dummy over there what he's doing wrong." ;)
14:52 wizzyrea i had lots of dreams last year about missing my plane to NZ
14:57 rhcl_away ?
14:58 oleonard wizzyrea's on a 1-hour delay rhcl_away.
14:58 wizzyrea that
15:01 rhcl_away Well, that's why she missed her plane then.
15:02 wizzyrea meh
15:08 libsysguy report question
15:08 libsysguy if i wanted to doa dropdown in a report to see all the available funds
15:08 libsysguy how would i format the <<>> bit
15:09 wizzyrea the drop downs are dependent on authorized values
15:09 wizzyrea and only some of them work, iirc
15:09 libsysguy is there a way to see the authorized values?
15:09 wizzyrea administration -> Authorized Values
15:10 wizzyrea but I think only itype, ccode work
15:10 wizzyrea it's in the manual
15:10 wizzyrea which ones
15:10 wizzyrea possibly in the online help too
15:10 wizzyrea afk
15:11 libsysguy so if i created a new one…it wouldn't work?
15:11 libsysguy like a new category
15:14 rhcl A mildly interesting project to follow: http://orsoc.se/openrisc1200-platform-2/
15:14 rhcl They chat on freenode at #opencores
15:16 nengard libsysguy, drthb is on her way to my house actually
15:16 libsysguy oh really?
15:16 nengard she'll be around in a few hours for a bit before going to the airport or Inda
15:16 nengard India
15:16 nengard bg is here -druthb, sekjal and JesseM are on their way :)
15:16 nengard gonna have a mini bywater gathering at my house
15:17 libsysguy ok cool…well if she feels up to it I have a data question for her…otherwise it can wait
15:17 libsysguy ohh fun…is there dip and chips?
15:17 jcamins Wow, she can go to India without going to the airport? Lucky!
15:18 libsysguy nengard did you see my question about the reports?
15:18 nengard no i did not
15:19 libsysguy nengard: if i wanted to doa dropdown in a report to see all the available funds
15:19 libsysguy how would i format the <<>> bit
15:19 nengard not possible ?
15:19 nengard funds is not a runtime parameter
15:19 libsysguy oh
15:19 nengard i think i have a bug for it
15:19 libsysguy gotcha
15:19 nengard bug 6961
15:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6961 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , runtime parameter for fund codes
15:20 cait hi koha
15:20 libsysguy thanks nengard++
15:20 rhcl hi cait
15:21 nengard no prob
15:21 nengard hi cait
15:21 cait hi rhcl, libsysguy and nengard :)
15:21 libsysguy hi cait :)
15:21 magnus_afk kia ora cait
15:22 magnus_afk @seen rangi
15:22 huginn magnus_afk: rangi was last seen in #koha 12 hours, 17 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <rangi> not yet, i emailed dont have a reply yet, will chase up in the morning with a phone call
15:23 cait hi magnus_afk :)
15:24 reiveune1 bye
15:48 nengard jcamins - two bugs reported related to what I saw in analytics tests - it might be just me, but hopefully someone can figure them out
15:48 nengard bug 7107 and bug 7106
15:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7107 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , 'used in' column on analytics not populating
15:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7106 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , analytics links broken
15:49 jcamins I will take a look if I can.
15:57 nengard releast notes question for anyone who can answer - it says "New permission for overdues report" - but where is it?
16:03 oleonard nengard: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5876
16:03 huginn 04Bug 5876: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, New permission for overdues report
16:03 oleonard Not a fix for Bug 6898 as you probably hoped
16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6898 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions
16:04 nengard so it's not a new permission
16:04 nengard an existing permission
16:05 oleonard A misleading bug title becomes a misleading release notes item.
16:09 nengard :)
16:10 * Oak waves
16:14 trea o/
16:34 oleonard Hi cait
16:34 cait hi oleonard
16:34 cait :)
16:55 NCARLibrary Hey there people!
16:55 NCARLibrary Might anyone be interested in hearing my Stats question?
16:57 oleonard We won't know until you ask
17:10 Oak true story
17:16 NCARLibrary Circ Statistics...
17:17 NCARLibrary I get no data in the body of the results...only totals.
17:22 NCARLibrary Could it be a bug? Or just user error?
17:26 NCARLibrary Sorry for the delayed question...people just walk right up to you and start talking when you work at a library.
17:35 cait NCARLibrary: using the statistic wizard?
17:35 NCARLibrary yes, the wizard
17:36 cait hm
17:36 cait I think you have to select one field for column and one for row
17:37 NCARLibrary i get all my totals, along bottom and down the right side
17:37 cait what are you trying to search for?
17:37 NCARLibrary i selected patron category for row
17:37 NCARLibrary and shelving loc as column
17:38 cait hm
17:38 NCARLibrary i'm just trying to get circ stats for various patron categories at various shelving locations
17:38 NCARLibrary might be some issue with my local instance that Galen needs to tweak, I suppose.
17:38 cait perhaps you can find a good report to do that in the reports library?
17:39 cait my database here is almost empty, so I get no results at all :(
17:39 NCARLibrary yeah, i could work around with a report
17:39 NCARLibrary time for lunch. i'll shoot Galen an email.
17:39 NCARLibrary thanks
17:44 * oleonard wonders what version NCARLibrary is on
17:44 * oleonard remembers the problems we had with reports output right after the T:T switch
17:46 Oak @later tell Brooke hi, watch "Frequently Asked Questions About Time Travel" www.imdb.com/title/tt0910554/ very good
17:46 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
18:34 rangi morning
18:34 bg morning dude
18:34 ebegin hello all! Long time no talk, see, etc ;)
18:35 bg heya ebegin
18:35 rangi heya ebegin
18:35 rangi bg: whens the flight?
18:35 rangi @wunder wellington nz
18:35 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 28, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
18:36 ebegin @wunder montreal, canada
18:36 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is 4.0�C (2:00 PM EDT on October 27, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
18:36 rangi ebegin: I have some beer from quebec in my fridge
18:36 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7108] opaclanguagesdisplay: Lists of "Similar" languages break display across multiple lines <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7108>
18:37 rangi got given it as a gift at the conference last week
18:39 oleonard Thank goodness beer can go through customs
18:40 rangi yep I took some with me, brought some back
18:40 rangi no drama either way
18:40 rangi its just food/plants we dont let in
18:41 jcamins Drinks made of plants are good?
18:41 jcamins :)
18:41 wizzyrea oh, is this real
18:41 cait they let my chocolate in too :)
18:41 wizzyrea do I really have internet?
18:41 wizzyrea I do!
18:42 cait only had to show it and they even talked german with me :)
18:42 cait hi wizzyrea :)
18:42 wizzyrea lordie!
18:42 rangi jcamins: boiled plants are ok
18:42 wizzyrea I guess the backbone for our local internet provider went completely down
18:42 rangi :)
18:42 rangi ouch
18:42 wizzyrea guess they'll be looking at their redundancy strategies :P
18:43 rangi I love how corporates make the internet less robust
18:43 rangi the market .... its full of shit
18:43 wizzyrea even though they supposedly have 3 backbone providers?
18:44 * wizzyrea grumbles
18:44 wizzyrea but I'm happy it's back up
18:44 rangi :)
18:47 rangi http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/ranginui/6285847392/
18:48 wizzyrea lol what is he doing?
18:48 rangi lil man has reflux still, so he has a computer attached to him
18:48 wizzyrea OH
18:48 wizzyrea poor lil guy
18:48 rangi measuring ph levels
18:48 rangi he doesn't mind
18:48 rangi its his packpack
18:48 wizzyrea awwww
18:48 rangi :)
18:49 rangi comes out in 5 hours
18:49 wizzyrea (well, reflux sucks so, still poor guy about that bit)
18:49 rangi then they should know whats going on
18:49 rangi yeah
18:49 rangi tonsils and adanoids coming out
18:49 rangi on the 16th
18:49 wizzyrea oh zounds!
18:49 trea ya :-/
18:50 rangi lucky he's a tough lil bugger
18:50 wizzyrea *nod*
18:50 wizzyrea he looks cheery enough in that pic :)
18:51 rangi yep
18:51 rangi nothing seems to worry him much
18:51 rangi but I think he will be a lot happier with less interrupted sleep
18:52 rangi the only problem now is he thinks he is dora
18:52 rangi and keeps trying to get stuff out of his backpack
18:52 wizzyrea hehe
18:53 bg rangi: flight is in 5 hours
18:54 bg we're still holding up at nengard house
18:54 rangi so laurel will be happy when it comes out
18:54 rangi its a full on job watching his hands
18:54 rangi ahh cool
18:56 rangi lol
18:57 rangi lead news item today
18:57 rangi "pupils punished for going to parade"
18:57 rangi oh the problems we have
18:58 oleonard I've discovered a problem in the en-GB and en-NZ translations
18:58 rangi oh?
18:58 oleonard Looks like escaping backslashes in JavaScript are getting escaped again
18:58 oleonard _('Are you sure you want to renew this member\\'s registration?')
18:59 rangi ah thats possible
18:59 oleonard should be
18:59 oleonard _('Are you sure you want to renew this member\'s registration?')
18:59 rangi right and all the other languages dont have retarded 's
18:59 rangi so doesn't get them
18:59 rangi sounds like. po file is wrong
19:00 rangi ill take a look after the next 3 conferences :)
19:00 oleonard File a bug?
19:04 maximep just saw the same in fr-FR. Had \\t instead of \t
19:05 cait pootle doesn't like those
19:05 cait it will always make them wrong
19:05 cait best is to edit the file directly
19:05 cait that's the reason I removed all \n from the translations
19:06 cait or better, make it ".... ' "
19:06 ebegin Speaking of pootle, is there a way to replace a complete file with the one I'm uploading ?
19:06 oleonard Bug 7109, for what it's worth. Sounds like it's really a template-processing bug that needs a more comprehensive fix.
19:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7109 major, P5, ---, frederic, NEW , Error in en-GB and en-NZ templates causes JavaScript errors
19:07 maximep the en template should really just put the string in " " instead of escaping
19:09 maximep spent the last 3 hours fixing translation bugs :/
19:09 oleonard maximep: That might work for \t, but not for apostrophes in english sentences
19:10 maximep huh, why wouldn't it
19:10 maximep french has way more ' than english, so always fixing those
19:10 oleonard Maybe I misunderstand you, but wouldn't that break up the string and make translation more difficult?
19:10 maximep instead of _('Are you sure you want to renew this patron\'s registration?')
19:11 maximep _("Are you sure you want to renew this patron's registration?")
19:11 cait ebegin: you can overwrite but need a permission for that - ask fredericd
19:12 oleonard maximep: I see. Does that work with the translation tool?
19:12 ebegin cait, thanks. it seems that he is away atm
19:12 rangi oleonard: i think it does
19:12 cait you can add as suggestion, merge and overwrite I think - 3 options
19:12 rangi oleonard: but id have to try to be sure
19:13 maximep oleonard: yes
19:14 cait oleonard: it does, the other problem is, that normally I would use "" for quiting things in German
19:14 cait and I can't use those
19:14 cait both ways it's annoying sometimes
19:14 cait but consistency would be nice
19:14 cait hm quoting I mean
19:14 maximep pretty sure " is used in most places
19:27 oleonard So switching from one quote to another doesn't fix the problem. Can we fix the double-\ problem?
19:27 maximep yeah that was jsut a workaround for a real bug
19:29 rangi oleonard: we have to find where the \\ are being added, is pootle doing it, or is the translation tools doing it
19:33 * oleonard is finding that the language-chooser in the staff client doesn't reflect the current language choice
19:33 oleonard Bugs are scaring out bugs
20:08 oleonard Why do we have biblio.copyrightdate and biblioitems.publicationyear?
20:08 rangi cos in the olden days
20:08 rangi you had one biblio many biblioitems
20:08 rangi copyright date didnt change, the publication one did
20:08 cait oh
20:09 wizzyrea much more like frbr
20:09 oleonard So copyright date was like "original copyright date" ?
20:09 rangi yeah MARC broke all that stuff
20:09 rangi stupid marc
20:09 * oleonard is sure he's been told this before
20:09 rangi yup
20:10 rangi there really is no reason for the biblio/biblioitems split anymore,it should go away
20:10 rangi since marc will never die and our grandchildren will still be dealing with this crap
20:10 * oleonard just discovered list sorting by year doesn't work because it tries to sort by biblioitems.publicationyear which is empty because default Koha to MARC mapping doesn't map it to anything
20:15 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:15 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0�C (10:00 PM CEST on October 27, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
20:15 cait oleonard: I think it does for unimarc
20:15 cait oleonard: marc21 links to copyrightdate
20:16 cait and no... that's no fun
20:16 oleonard I know...and why the difference? Some arbitrary choice in the past?
20:16 * wizzyrea bets on arbitrary
20:16 nengard hey all - i'm looking for the bug report about the staff client results saying things are available even when they're not
20:18 cait oleonard: I have no idea
20:21 wizzyrea bug 2708
20:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2708 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Checked out items saying available
20:21 wizzyrea but many times that has to do with index lag
20:30 nengard thanks wizzyrea
20:45 wizzyrea ok smarties
20:45 wizzyrea nm lol
20:45 rangi heh
20:47 cait ?
20:47 cait smarties?
20:47 ibeardslee mmmm smarties
20:48 ibeardslee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smarties ?
21:29 libsysguy hey #Koha
21:33 libsysguy what table do list get stored in?
21:34 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/virtualshelves.html
21:34 rangi and
21:34 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/virtualshelfcontents.html
21:34 libsysguy sweet thanks rangi…i swear one day ill get the tables down pat
21:56 wizzyrea i love you, schema.koha-community.org
21:57 wizzyrea sincerely
21:57 wizzyrea is there a wiki on making and using sysprefs?
21:57 wizzyrea i has a curious
21:58 libsysguy apparently that procedure changed since i last did it
21:58 libsysguy because my patch got rejected :'(
21:58 wizzyrea urf
21:58 wizzyrea i'm looking at the renewal sysprefs
21:58 wizzyrea the renewal_blocked_fines really ought to be dependent on OpacRenewalAllowed
21:59 libsysguy hmm
21:59 wizzyrea as in, anything relating to renewals in the opac
21:59 libsysguy can you set dependent behaviors in sysprefs?
21:59 libsysguy *n00b question*
21:59 wizzyrea if OpacRenewalAllowed is off, nothing should ever show ever about renewals
22:00 wizzyrea right now it's a kludgy workaround of setting the threshold super high and praying.
22:00 wizzyrea to not see a message about renewals
22:00 wizzyrea my assumption was that if it can be codified, it could be done. maybe that's wrong.
22:01 libsysguy hmm sorry wizzyrea but im not the expert in that area :-\
22:01 wizzyrea oh it's all good
22:01 wizzyrea i'm pondering just poking at it until I figure it out :P
22:02 wizzyrea hoo boy look at the time >.>
22:02 wizzyrea what should I have for dinner?
22:02 libsysguy mashed potatoes
22:02 eythian wizzyrea: there is a wiki page about writing sysprefs
22:02 wizzyrea shepherd's pie, good idea
22:02 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences
22:02 wizzyrea cool thanks eythian
22:03 eythian needs some updating, really. For 3.6 you don't have to worry about translations, just stick it in the english one and some magic happens somewhere.
22:03 wizzyrea yea that's what I thought
22:05 wizzyrea *saved in my tabs for tomorrow*