IRC log for #koha, 2011-09-28

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01:37 rangi mtj: you around?
01:37 mtj heya, yep
01:38 mtj wat up?
01:38 rangi can you remember what magic you did for kapiti to get the 3m machine to know that an item was chargable?
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01:46 druthb o/
01:47 rangi heya druthb
01:47 rangi hows tn ?
01:48 druthb Very pretty.    It's a long way from Kansas, though.  Google Maps is very optimistic.
01:49 druthb It said, 10.5 I assumed 12, cuz we'd stop to eat, get petrol, etc...13-ish hours later....
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01:59 mtj rangi: pm-ed you... :)
02:01 mtj for the record, i modded C4::SIP::ILS::Transaction/Checkout::do_checkout()
02:01 mtj and hardcoded the chargeable ITEMTYPES...
02:02 mtj +    if ( $self->{item}->{itype} =~ /BKBS|MAGBS|SRP|SRTN|SRTB|VRDVDP/ ) {
02:02 mtj +        warn $self->{item}->{itype};
02:02 mtj +        $needsconfirmation->{'ITEM_FEE'} =
02:03 mtj +          "Item has a fee, Please take item to the issue-desk to check out.";
02:03 mtj +    }
02:03 wajasu diggin into unicode creation of labels.  found that if I utf8::downgrade($line,FAIL_OK);  before $pdf->Add($line), that the FC passes thru and i see my diacritic (this is without embedded truetype font).
02:05 mtj wajasu:  well done!
02:06 druthb wajasu++
02:06 mtj the pdf->utf problem has been an old bug :/
02:06 mtj looks like you have made some good progress
02:06 mtj wajasu+++
02:06 druthb One o' my migration libraries would *love* to see that fixed.
02:09 wajasu but for other languages, we may need to support unicode, which i was partially successful doing, but will be a bigger change.
02:11 rangi if $self->{item}->{rentalcharge} > 0){
02:11 rangi thats what i ended up doing, and making sure that gets set in
02:22 pastebot "wajasu" at pasted "quick fix to print diacritics for standard PDF fonts - want to see your udierisis? I added line 125." (24 lines) at
02:28 wajasu maybe someone can do a quick test by editing intranet/cgi-bin/labels/ printing a barcode data label, with a foriegn language diacritic in the texT such as ISBN: 0807015415; 0807015407 Habermas, Jürgen.
02:31 wajasu i am also wondering if I can just report it in bugzilla, or will i need to actually supply a patch.  Also, to what extent should it be tested. (Each standard font we support in the dropdown?)
02:31 wahanui okay, wajasu.
02:31 wajasu thx
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02:59 wajasu Note: I did my fix on koha 3.4.4 code base (which also had use Encode; at the top).  I just went to try to print labels with diacritics on my 3.0.2 prod server wihtout the change and no pdf is successfully made. So other bugs are probably there (i.e. wide chars).
03:11 wajasu hmm.  i had to apply the utf8 fix in in the prEnd() that 3.4.4 has so 3.0.2 will provide a pdf.(with bad mapping).  but when i do the utf8::downgrade($line,FAIL_OK);, my runs pinned at 100% cpu with no end in sight.  Perl version or other patches missing?
03:12 wajasu I also noticed my 1st line call number is missing in the 3.4.4 version. Hmm.
03:15 wajasu wahanui: so you might have trouble on an older version of koha / perl /PDF:Reuse.  I was hoping that one line fix would help those in production now.  I may track that down.
03:15 wahanui wajasu: sorry...
03:16 wajasu wahanui: what version of koha /perl   older, or latest?
03:16 wahanui wajasu: bugger all, i dunno
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03:18 wajasu my perlbrew test environment has got koha 3.4.4 and perl 5.12.1, but with latest modules pulled from cpan as of a week ago.
03:21 wajasu i might just have to submit the fix to the master (hopefully 3.6 ) if they will take it.  thanks for the effort.
03:27 rangi if its a bugfix, yep you have about a week or so to get a patch submitted, otherwise 3.6.1 november 22nd
03:28 rangi evening trea
03:29 trea hi rangi
03:32 rangi http://artoftrolling.files.wor[…]ling-dog-mask.jpg
03:33 wizzyrea that's special.
03:33 wizzyrea %.%
03:33 trea classic, total classic
03:33 rangi heh
03:33 wizzyrea ^/^
03:33 wizzyrea lol
03:33 wizzyrea apparently I'm special too.
03:37 rangi hmm still need a release maintainer
03:39 wajasu looks like i can't do utf8::downgrade($line, FAIL_OK);  because of strict subs.  Without FAIL_OK, things seem to work.
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04:19 mtj interesting...
04:19 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
04:19 mtj http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.c[…]ice-vs-protesters
04:20 mtj go msnbc
04:21 mtj note to nyc cop... citizen != terrorist  :/
04:22 eythian they could be though.
04:22 eythian They could be taking photos of something
04:22 eythian Or have a beard.
04:30 mtj such a sneaky 'drive-by' macing, too
04:31 mtj the other cops are trying to work out wtf?!? happened, it's so quick
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04:33 cait morning #koha
04:35 rangi morning cait
04:35 cait morning :)
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04:40 * eythian builds packages for 3.4.5
04:40 rangi sweet
04:40 cait :)
04:42 eythian I also note that now the only custom patches I have in the build is updating the changelog, that's good.
04:42 rangi nice
04:43 wizzyrea that's supergood
04:47 rangi we should run some log reports on the apt repo
04:48 rangi be kinda interesting, in a pointless way :)
04:48 eythian yeah
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05:08 eythian new packages for 3.4.5 and master are uploading
05:09 eythian are uploaded.
05:16 cait :)
05:16 cait eythian++
05:25 cait time to go, bye all
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06:11 cait hi #koha
06:12 eythian hi cait
06:12 cait hi again eythian
06:23 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6929] koha-stop-zebra falls over if a zebra process isn't running <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6929>
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06:51 * Oak waves
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07:06 francharb hi all
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07:32 Oak hello francharb :)
07:32 francharb hello Oak
07:38 jenkins_koha Starting build 450 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6733: change branchcode call in Labels to use userenv instead of LoginBranchname <[…]ab8db15bda567f606>
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08:22 rangi francharb: have you seen[…]-du-symposium-570
08:22 francharb nope
08:23 francharb bookmarked!
08:23 rangi i figure you'd understand it better than me :)
08:24 francharb hopefully ;)
08:24 francharb paul was there if you want feed back ;)
08:25 rangi :)
08:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #450: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/450/
08:26 jenkins_koha ian.walls: Bug 6733: change branchcode call in Labels to use userenv instead of LoginBranchname
08:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6733 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , printing routing list sends you to main serials page
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08:35 paul_p funny day : impossible to open BibLibre office door tomorrow (and no sign of any vandalism) Everybody back home for a free holiday, except those who have a laptop or a computer at home...
08:35 paul_p s/tomorrow/this morning/
08:35 paul_p and the door is 6 months old, ...
08:35 rangi ahh i was wondering why the different ip
08:35 rangi have to get a locksmith?
08:37 paul_p rangi, the door is still under guarantee, so we wait for the company who installed it. No one available before 5PM :'((
08:37 rangi :(
08:37 paul_p rangi, have you seen that : breaking news: we've found our new support guy, his name is adrien. And our librarian project manager, his name is Gaëtan. You should hear from them very soon ;-)
08:38 paul_p (said yesterday on the channel, blog entry coming)
08:38 paul_p (BibLibre is now 18... do you believe it ? I can't ;-) )
08:38 wahanui i already had it that way, paul_p.
08:38 rangi excellent, well done!
08:38 rangi have all 18 voted for kohacon12 ? :)
08:39 paul_p rangi, yep, well, not 18, because the 2 newbies starts on next monday ;-)
08:39 rangi :)
08:39 rangi i think only 3 days left to vote?
08:40 paul_p I think too
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09:29 Oak \⬮
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09:49 rangi hi _mika_
09:50 _mika_ hi
09:50 wahanui salut, _mika_
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09:52 _mika_ anybody knows howto re-generate marcxml data in biblioitems table?
09:52 rangi is the marc data still there?
09:53 _mika_ looks xmldata
09:53 _mika_ mya problem is weird characters in search result page in opac
09:54 rangi right, but is the data in the marc column (not the marcxml one) ok?
10:00 _mika_ how can i check it?
10:01 rangi well you can only regenerate the marcxml from it
10:01 rangi so if its corrupt too, then you cant
10:01 rangi you could back up your db and then try
10:01 rangi misc/cronjobs/
10:02 _mika_ thanks, i'll try it
10:10 Brooke eythian++
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10:26 cait fredericd: around?
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10:28 cait and no paul_p
10:28 cait hmm
10:29 rangi biblibre got locked out of their offices
10:30 cait ẞẞ
10:30 cait ??
10:30 rangi!/paul_po[…]18992875378843648
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10:30 rangi the door is stuck or something, and the people cant come to fix until 5pm
10:32 rangi @wunder wellington nz
10:32 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (11:00 PM NZDT on September 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
10:33 cait ouch!
10:33 cait @wunder stuttgart
10:33 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
10:34 cait @wunder stuttgart germany
10:34 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
10:34 rangi hehe
10:34 rangi @wunder germs
10:34 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found.
10:34 rangi try the airport cait
10:35 cait trying to find the airport code right now
10:35 cait @wunder STR
10:35 huginn cait: The current temperature in 2 mi s of EDDS, Filderstadt, Germany is 19.4�C (12:34 PM CEST on September 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1024.9 hPa (Steady).
10:35 rangi :)
10:36 rangi nice day
10:36 wahanui you betcha rangi
10:36 cait yep :)
10:40 rangi night all
10:40 * rangi goes to sleep
10:40 cait good night rangi :)
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10:50 cait bye #koha
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11:39 _mika_ argh.. doesn't fix my problem.. records were ok. i've converted characters straight to columns but i just wondering if there is some module which regenerates marcxml data in biblioitems?
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12:03 _mika_ i fixed marcxml column manually.. thanks anyway
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12:04 Koha_newbie how to add keyboard layout button on OPAC page for multilingual search? help plz
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12:06 jcamins_away Koha_newbie:[…]C_screen_keyboard
12:07 jcamins_away There's an example with Hebrew.
12:07 Koha_newbie i need Urdu & Arabic keyboard
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12:08 jcamins_away Koha_newbie: then you'll need to modify that example for Arabic and Urdu.
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12:10 jcamins_away Koha_newbie: keep in mind, too, that the on-screen keyboard requires the patron to click on each letter.
12:11 jcamins_away If you have control of the computers the OPAC will be on, you might be better off setting them up so people can change the keyboard layout.
12:16 Koha_newbie jcamins_away: thanks.... but I need that, because many people didn't have "additional language keyboard" right-to-left languages (East Asian languages) on there PC
12:17 jcamins_away Koha_newbie: I see. In that case, the on-screen keyboard example I gave you should get you started.
12:18 Koha_newbie so you mean... i just replace the Hebrew letters to Urdu/Arabic
12:18 Koha_newbie ?
12:21 jcamins_away Koha_newbie: right.
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12:29 Koha_newbie jcamins_away: Example said that """You can create a table with every script and all characters you can think of. Remove dir="rtl" from the table tag for LTR scripts.""" (may I remove dir="rtl" in OpacHeader please clearfy)
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12:34 jcamins_away Arabic and Urdu are right-to-left, so why would you remove dir="rtl"?
12:41 Koha_newbie ok
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12:49 oleonard Hi #koha
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13:01 paul_p good morning oleonard
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13:08 oleonard paul_p, did you see my comment on Bug 5725? I wonder if the error happens because the right calculations are not being made on the value in 000 before the MARC record is created
13:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Batch modifications for Biblios
13:09 paul_p oleonard, yep, I saw it. Couldn't give it a try, but on my tests, I had no problems, so I must reproduce your problem
13:09 oleonard paul_p: I don't know if that is a MARC21-specific issue
13:10 oleonard I just know that the value I enter in 000 is recalculated by Koha before it's added in a normal edit operation
13:11 paul_p oleonard, it could, but it should not. afaik, only a part of the leader is recalculated (the biblio size, for example)
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13:30 oleonard paul_p: When I enter new information in 000, I might enter it as "     nam a22        4500". After the record is saved, the value has been recalculated by Koha as, for instance, "00483nam a2200157   4500"
13:30 oleonard I wonder if this recalculation is not being done by the batch mod process, and I wonder whether that causes the error.
13:37 oleonard On serials/, why is there a "(*)" after "Frequency" ?
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14:09 hdl oleonard: this page bug 4223 you said this page needed design work. we also did some. and splitted the page so that numbering patters would be input in an other page.
14:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4223 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Too much serials info - design work needed
14:10 oleonard Where's the patch?
14:10 wahanui i think the patch is pretty old now, good luck
14:11 hdl oleonard: here :[…]ads/dev/stetienne
14:11 hdl oleonard: was just to tell you.
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14:11 oleonard Mine is based on master and is in Bugzilla.
14:13 hdl oleonard: as I said, it was just to tell you.
14:13 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4223] Too much serials info - design work needed <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4223>
14:13 hdl simple information.
14:16 nengard new icky bug found - bug 6930
14:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6930 critical, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , can't add patron attributes anymore
14:19 hdl oleonard: thanks for your patches anyway and congrats for your 1st wining place on latest release.
14:19 oleonard Thanks :)
14:21 oleonard nengard: What were the parameters of the type you were trying to add? I'm able to add on my system.
14:21 nengard a code and a description - that's it
14:21 * wizzyrea couldn't
14:22 wizzyrea I did the same
14:22 wizzyrea just code/desc
14:22 wizzyrea and it wouldn't add
14:22 sekjal argh
14:23 wizzyrea this didn't either:
14:24 sekjal likely a bug introduced by the bug 5436
14:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5436 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, guillaume.hatt, ASSIGNED , Extended patron attributes display improvements
14:24 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6323] Attach/move items -- error handling cleanup <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6323>
14:25 * oleonard isn't having any problem adding
14:26 * oleonard hates weird stuff like this
14:27 wizzyrea oleonard: do you have an existing attribute?
14:27 oleonard Yes
14:27 * wizzyrea is adding one on top of others
14:27 wizzyrea hm ok not that then
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14:29 sekjal wizzyrea: can you confirm that the borrower_attribute_types.display_checkout field exists in your database?
14:29 sekjal the database update method was done in a weird way with this patch
14:29 * wizzyrea will look
14:29 sekjal perhaps something went wrong
14:30 wizzyrea AHA
14:31 wizzyrea
14:31 wizzyrea ^-- current master
14:32 wizzyrea sekjal: it's missing
14:33 oleonard This new file was added in the commit: installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/0​
14:33 oleonard Didn't work?
14:34 * wizzyrea is tired of signing off on bug 6253
14:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6253 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine
14:35 wizzyrea but I'll do it again.
14:35 sekjal oleonard: that atomic update file is not invoked by updatedatabase
14:35 oleonard It doesn't do anything?
14:35 sekjal the atomicupdate file may well add the column
14:36 sekjal but the normal database update script doesn't
14:36 sekjal hence the problem we're seeing here
14:36 sekjal we need to get updatedatabase to insert the column
14:36 oleonard What is its purpose?
14:36 sekjal the new column determines whether the patron attribute will show up on the patron detail pages, under their address/contact info on the left
14:37 oleonard I mean what is the purpose of the file?
14:44 sekjal the purpose of the atomicupdate file is to add alter the table to include the new field
14:44 sekjal essentially, it's just pulling the code out of
14:45 sekjal in an effort to the whole DBrev = "3.05.00.XXX" issue
14:45 oleonard It obviously doesn't work.
14:46 wizzyrea didn't work this time anyway
14:46 sekjal yeah... not part of our normal workflow
14:48 hdl wizzyrea: 6253 failed QA ?
14:49 wizzyrea I didn't set that...
14:49 wizzyrea no, it's in needs sign off?
14:49 wizzyrea i'm testing it again now
14:54 wizzyrea nothing wrong with the patch afaict hdl, but i'm not done poking it yet
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15:00 jcamins Hey there, #koha.
15:09 oleonard Hi jcamins
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15:24 Oak \o
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15:26 cait hi #koha
15:31 oleonard Hi cait, haven't seen much of you lately. Have you been traveling?
15:31 cait yes - on my way back home to Konstanz
15:31 cait was gone till Friday - happy to be home again :)
15:32 cait hope to get back to bug wrangling soon
15:35 Oak hello cait :) have a safe journey home
15:37 maximep looks like my database wasn't updated properly when I switched to master. How do I run again the db update scripts ?
15:41 oleonard maximep: You can manually set back the version number in the database
15:41 oleonard maximep: Look under the "local use" tab in system preferences
15:42 oleonard maximep: Koha will think the database is out of date and run updates again.
15:42 cait oleonard: since friday... of course :)
15:44 maximep hmmm if I understand correctly, all the queries are in /installer/data/mysql/ ?
15:44 paul_p BibLibre office opened (by a locksmith that needed 1 hour !)
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15:44 paul_p for tonight = only 1 door locked, and the 2nd one without any locker :(
15:44 cait :(
15:44 cait any idea what happened?
15:44 paul_p (well, not 1 hour, he needed 2 hours...)
15:45 maximep I can't find the query to add display_checkout in borrower_attribute_types :S
15:45 paul_p cait, nope, just something broken in the locker (seems it's related to the "emergency exit" stuff that was blocked)
15:45 maximep maybe i'm crazy
15:46 cait paul_p: getting a new lock tomorrow?
15:46 paul_p cait, yep
15:47 cait going to sleep in the office? ;)
15:47 paul_p cait, nope, philippe is taking all laptops in his car, to his home
15:47 cait ah
15:47 cait hope it will be all ok tomorrow
15:48 cait sounds like a really annoying surprise
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15:50 sekjal maximep:  see  installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/0​
15:50 sekjal for that particular bugfix, we tried out a new method for handling the updates
15:50 sekjal didn't work, apparently
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15:55 maximep sekjal: thanks, it worked
15:56 cait sekjal++ :)
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15:56 wizzyrea what am I doing wrong? I cannot get the stupid circ autocomplete to work - it worked once and then.... it went away
15:57 wizzyrea (that's with patch for 6253)
15:58 cait hallo adnc
15:58 cait pref?
15:58 cait I think the default is off - only checking
15:58 cait bug 6253
15:58 cait hm, wahanui?
15:58 wahanui cait: excuse me?
15:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6253 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine
15:58 wizzyrea no, it's on
15:58 adnc cait, huhu
15:58 cait wahanui: you are slow!
15:58 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information...
15:59 cait adnc: koha still alive? :)
15:59 adnc yes, still alive. Less time to play with it, but works great
15:59 * wizzyrea can't make it work anywhere
16:00 cait the time problem seems to be a general one
16:00 adnc ;)
16:00 wizzyrea and this makes me extremely sad.
16:00 hdl wizzyrea: is circ/ broken ?
16:00 wizzyrea i'm using the "fixed" patch.
16:01 hdl and it is not ysearch can't work...
16:01 hdl ?
16:01 cait wizzyrea: hm, javascript?
16:01 cait wizzyrea: so the search routine still works but the circauto doesn't work with one / both versions of the patch?
16:02 wizzyrea search works, but the circauto appears to be broken, yes
16:05 hdl mmm wizzyrea please delete the patch then. Thanks for testing.
16:06 hdl it appears that my merge was made too quickliy
16:06 sekjal hang on
16:06 * wizzyrea isn't gonna touch it
16:06 sekjal i'm running master, and circauto is buggy for me, too
16:06 sekjal sometimes it works, other times not
16:07 wizzyrea ^ I saw that, maybe it's not this patch that's doing it
16:07 * wizzyrea rolls it off
16:07 sekjal circ/ itself is working; the responses are being delivered
16:08 sekjal the JS just isn't loading them
16:08 hdl sekjal: wizzyrea was testing bug 6253
16:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6253 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine
16:09 sekjal hdl: yes, but the change she's testing is for the latest bit of patch for circ/
16:09 sekjal I'm just saying that it's not working may not be the patch; it may be something preexisting
16:09 sekjal wizzyrea: you have Firebug?
16:10 wizzyrea I have chrome developer tools, I could get firebug too
16:10 wizzyrea ok yes, I have firebug
16:13 wizzyrea sho nuff, it's getting the data.
16:13 wizzyrea (sans patch)
16:13 wizzyrea but not showing it
16:13 wizzyrea and now, it is.
16:16 hdl btw jquery.ajax and autocomplete should be used rather than yui. but can't patch that right away
16:17 oleonard It's already done
16:17 oleonard In my jqueryUI branch
16:18 hdl oleonard: :-*
16:18 wizzyrea i'm getting very weird mixed results - but I don't think it's because of 6253
16:18 wizzyrea because the mixed results are on master.
16:18 wizzyrea can anyone else confirm that?
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16:19 oleonard What are you seeing wizzyrea ?
16:19 wizzyrea 1s
16:19 wizzyrea vid
16:21 wizzyrea
16:21 oleonard All of humanity's evolution and technological achievement have led to this day, when someone could say simply, "1s, vid" and make it so.
16:21 wizzyrea hehe
16:22 wizzyrea and most everybody *knows what i'm doing*
16:24 oleonard It is merely an inconsistency that the patrons page has no autocomplete
16:24 wizzyrea @quote add oleonard: All of humanity's evolution and technological achievement have led to this day, when someone could say simply, "1s, vid" and make it so.
16:24 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #160 added.
16:24 wizzyrea yea, i note that as ok
16:24 wizzyrea (i don't think it's ever done it)
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16:25 wizzyrea it gets weird after that
16:26 wizzyrea do you see? can you replicate?
16:27 oleonard Yes and yes
16:27 * wizzyrea sighs with relief
16:27 wizzyrea @quote random
16:27 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #22: "<jdavidb> owen: you wouldn't know this, being the skinny thing you are, but it is also good for maintaining a panoramic physique, like mine." (added by gmcharlt at 04:24 PM, August 06, 2009)
16:27 wizzyrea ^ probably involves bacon.
16:28 * oleonard had better keep to his diet to make sure that quote stays accurate
16:29 wizzyrea @quote random
16:29 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #55: "<jdavidb> Harrrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 12:38 PM, February 11, 2010)
16:30 cait @quote random
16:30 huginn cait: Quote #154: "rangi: it's destined to be an eternal mystery" (added by wizzyrea at 04:53 AM, September 15, 2011)
16:30 cait @wunder Konstanz
16:30 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.4�C (6:22 PM CEST on September 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1024.9 hPa (Steady).
16:30 wizzyrea @quote random
16:30 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #48: "<sekjal> no, anything I said was my fault" (added by jwagner at 09:52 PM, December 09, 2009)
16:32 trea @quote random
16:32 huginn trea: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010)
16:32 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
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16:38 oleonard one of them?
16:38 wahanui well, one of them is bound to have a good idea ;)
16:39 wizzyrea well, one of them
16:39 wahanui one of them is bound to have a good idea ;)
16:39 wizzyrea quote #100
16:39 wizzyrea hm nope
16:41 oleonard wizzyrea: I have a fix, but I don't know why it works.
16:42 wizzyrea shoot :)
16:42 wizzyrea (it to me)
16:42 oleonard Sounds like a hit song "Shoot (it to me)"
16:42 wizzyrea so we are thinking that this is separate from 6253?
16:44 oleonard Looks like it to me.
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16:48 wizzyrea meh, kindle fire.
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16:50 * oleonard doesn't like fixes he doesn't understand
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16:54 sekjal okay, I'm finding autocomplete works better back in 3.4.2 than now
16:54 sekjal starting a git-bisect to try to find the culprit
16:55 * wizzyrea did not mean to cause all of this consternation
16:55 wizzyrea (but i'm appreciative of the attention, I'd really like to get 3253 in)
16:59 sekjal git bisect indicates the problem started with commit ID da7bcbd4
16:59 sekjal bug 6468
16:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6468 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Authorities browsing error in OPAC
16:59 jcamins wizzyrea: gee, that's a lot of consternation you caused. :P
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17:00 sekjal interesting, since that commit doesn't seem to DO anything even remotely related
17:00 oleonard Yeah, that can't be right.
17:01 sekjal no, it can't
17:01 sekjal template only change on a different page
17:02 jcamins sekjal: maybe the commit right before?
17:02 sekjal also template only, on
17:03 jcamins Commit right after? That seems kind of unlikely.
17:04 sekjal template only change, as well
17:04 sekjal on a syspref
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17:07 sekjal now it's giving me commit ID 27c87aea11
17:07 sekjal which is also not relevant
17:07 wahanui okay, sekjal.
17:07 jcamins which?
17:07 wahanui or not relevant
17:07 jcamins wahanui: forget which
17:07 wahanui jcamins: I forgot which
17:08 jcamins wahanui: which is <reply>
17:08 wahanui OK, jcamins.
17:08 jcamins which?
17:11 sekjal okay, git bisect is NOT working here
17:11 sekjal different answer every time
17:11 sekjal all of the answers are non-sensical
17:18 sekjal has not been changed since the T:T conversion
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17:22 jcamins sekjal: data issue?
17:23 sekjal jcamins:  checking my other firebug tabs, I'm seeing a Javascript error
17:24 sekjal but, it's still there when it all works, too
17:26 jcamins sekjal: what's the error?
17:26 sekjal missing } after function body
17:27 sekjal I think it's my intranetuserjs
17:28 jcamins Ah. Yeah, sounds like it.
17:29 sekjal huh.  and now it's not working on a commit that worked previously
17:29 sekjal that would explain my git bisect failing
17:29 sekjal it's not the code
17:31 sekjal when it's not working, my second character isn't initiating a second search
17:31 sekjal its getting stuck between the response and the display of that response
17:31 sekjal I think it's some kind of caching issue
17:42 oleonard In what way could it be a caching issue?
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17:43 sekjal oleonard:  no idea
17:43 sekjal conjecturing wildly at this point
17:44 oleonard sekjal: Are you finding that it sometimes works in current master?
17:44 sekjal I remember seeing it work briefly earlier today, on master
17:45 jcamins sekjal: does shift-reload fix it?
17:49 sekjal jcamins: no
17:53 jcamins sekjal: that's too bad, but I figured it was worth a try.
17:54 wizzyrea jcamins
17:54 wizzyrea see
17:54 wizzyrea
17:58 sekjal each letter typed should spawn a circ/ process
17:58 sekjal when it's not working, only the first generates the process, and response
17:59 sekjal but the response is not displayed, and subsequent characters are ignored
17:59 sekjal UNLESS
17:59 sekjal I backspace, and start with a completely different character
17:59 * wizzyrea tries that
18:00 sekjal hmmm
18:00 sekjal though sometimes the results from the first character are displayed, but the second char STILL doesn't init a search
18:01 wizzyrea I just had it get stuck after the 2nd character
18:02 wizzyrea problem with the way newer versions of browsers handle this particular javascript maybe?
18:02 * wizzyrea tries to get it to work *at all* in chrome
18:02 wizzyrea (I couldn't make it work this morning)
18:02 wizzyrea (at all ever)
18:02 sekjal if i type two characters REALLY quickly in succession, I'll get the two char search only
18:03 sekjal then third char is ignored
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18:03 wizzyrea sekjal: I can't make it work at all in chrome
18:03 wizzyrea i just double checked, did exactly the steps I did in my screencast
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18:04 cait hi #koha :)
18:05 wizzyrea sekjal! it works in chrome when the console is up!
18:05 wizzyrea wtf does that mean?1
18:05 sekjal we're using autocomplete-min.js 2.8.0.r4... current looks like 2.9
18:05 cait cookies?
18:05 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
18:06 sekjal from the changelog for YUI
18:06 sekjal *** version 2.9.0 ***
18:06 sekjal * Better support for forceSelection when typeAhead is enabled.
18:06 sekjal * Add formatEscapedResult() for implementers who need to escape potentially
18:06 sekjal untrustworthy result data for insertion into DOM.
18:08 wizzyrea well... possibly a very longstanding bug?
18:10 oleonard yui--
18:11 wizzyrea it does seem to have something to do with speed? idk.
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18:14 cait oleonard: are you aware of accessibility problems with the buttons in yui?
18:14 cait afaik there is aproblem with pull down buttons (not sure how to call them)
18:14 cait like the edit and add buttons on opac detail
18:14 cait and do you know if that will get better with jquery? :)
18:15 oleonard No, I'm not aware of it.
18:15 cait hm ok
18:15 cait i got some screenshots for the library, will try to find out more at work tomorrow
18:16 cait for = from
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18:26 maximep bug 5549 wasn't ready in time for 3.6 ? :/
18:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans
18:26 sekjal maximep:  it's possible
18:26 nengard the patch was sent before the freeze
18:27 sekjal any patches submitted, whether they need signoff or not, are viable 3.6 candidates
18:27 wizzyrea so, you're testing that then, maximep?
18:27 wizzyrea :P
18:27 wizzyrea help a sista/brotha out
18:27 maximep well we have our own branch that implements that feature
18:27 maximep I would have dropped it happily for the one from the community
18:28 maximep now i'm not sure
18:28 cait why?
18:28 cait not sure I mean?
18:28 cait it can still go in and has one sign-off
18:28 cait so it's almost half-way
18:29 * wizzyrea proclaims that you can't whine if you won't help.
18:29 sekjal if I set AutoCirc.maxCacheEntries to 0 (instead of 60), every new character initiates a search, but not results are displayed on screen
18:30 wizzyrea weeird.
18:30 maximep heh, I have 50 branches of stuff to port from 3.2 to 3.6, so kind of busy
18:30 maximep :p
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18:31 jcamins maximep: ouch. That's why the Koha motto is "rebase and release early and often."
18:31 maximep jcamins: trust me, I wish we could have from the start
18:31 cait you can do better starting today :)
18:32 * cait tries to look at the positive side
18:32 nengard libsysguy says they're using that hourly loans in production
18:32 cait maximep: not trying to tease you
18:32 nengard he just didn't know how to put a sign off on it
18:32 nengard and wanted another library to test
18:32 maximep cait: and i'm not trying to force anyone to do the work for me
18:33 maximep I was just wondering of the status
18:33 maximep ok, well, maybe I will look into it
18:33 cait I thing perhaps you will want to compare
18:34 cait or perhaps your customer could?
18:34 maximep yeah, seems like a good idea
18:34 rangi morning
18:34 wizzyrea hi thar
18:35 cait morning rangi :)
18:35 trea morning rangi
18:35 cait hi trea :)
18:36 trea hi cait!
18:37 rangi only 2 more days of voting have u voted maximep ?
18:37 maximep rangi: voting ?
18:38 wahanui i guess voting is broken[…]#v40_feat_vot_ext
18:38 rangi heh
18:38 rangi voting for the kohacon12 location
18:39 rangi anyone got the link handy?
18:39 oleonard[…]dex.php?sid=63529
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18:41 sekjal I think I found how to fix CircAutoComplete
18:41 rangi thanks oleonard
18:41 rangi yay!
18:41 rangi is it js?
18:41 sekjal set queryMatchSubset = false; in our invocation on
18:42 sekjal what was happening was that up to 60 results were being cached, and then for the second character, it was trying to search the cache first before pulling in new data
18:42 rangi ahhhh
18:42 sekjal by eliminating that cache, we pull 10 new results each time
18:43 rangi that'd do it
18:43 rangi right, harder on db?
18:43 sekjal can be, if the second character search was within the first 60 for the previous search
18:44 sekjal so searching "da" would likely have a savings if you've got lots of patrons with surnames starting "Da"
18:44 sekjal but "do" would probably still need to pull in a whole new set
18:45 rangi has it been fixed to not start searching until u type 3 letters or more?
18:45 * rangi always turns the syspref off
18:45 * wizzyrea too
18:45 sekjal rangi:  would be easy enough to add that, sure
18:45 sekjal one line
18:46 * libsysguy needs a piece of advice
18:46 rangi cool that'd drop out a couple of hits on the db
18:46 libsysguy I am writing a script to send out our overdues...and I can send mail with the mail command from command line
18:46 libsysguy but I coppied the mail function from C4::Letters
18:46 libsysguy and I get nothing
18:47 libsysguy is there something else I should be looking at?
18:47 rangi anything in mta logs?
18:47 rangi can u see the script hitting the mta?
18:48 libsysguy so I'm using exim
18:48 libsysguy so would it be in those logs
18:48 rangi yep
18:48 rangi mainlog
18:49 wizzyrea sekjal - I made those changes but the behavior is still the same?
18:50 libsysguy it looks like it is
18:50 libsysguy let me tail it and run again
18:51 libsysguy nevermind...its not hitting the mainlog
18:52 sekjal wizzyrea:  you're setting queryMatchSubset to false?
18:52 wizzyrea yep, and maxCacheEntries = 10
18:53 * wizzyrea does it again, to be extra sure
18:53 * wizzyrea clears the cache entirely
18:55 wizzyrea no, it's not working
18:55 wizzyrea
18:55 wizzyrea you can see that it gets the data
18:55 wizzyrea but it doesn't show it
18:56 sekjal I don't know
18:56 sekjal changing those settings is better for me, sometimes searches I've already done still won't display right
18:56 wizzyrea oh! well let me check that
18:57 wizzyrea AHA
18:57 wizzyrea indeed!
18:57 wizzyrea a search I had never done before brought up the autocomp
18:57 sekjal so that cache is still screwing things up somehow
18:57 wizzyrea apparently?
18:57 wizzyrea but I cleared my local cache completely
18:58 sekjal your browser cache?
18:58 wizzyrea so why would a search I had done before still be messing it up
18:58 wizzyrea yea
18:58 sekjal it may be stored some place else
18:58 * wizzyrea nukes the cache, closes the browser.
18:59 wizzyrea that is SO WEIRD. it's still not working on a search i've already done
18:59 wizzyrea well, the search I did that messed up in the first plac
18:59 wizzyrea any search but that works just fine
19:00 sekjal the data is stored in "a local Javascript array"
19:00 wizzyrea I would reboot, but I don't really want to :/
19:00 wizzyrea well
19:00 wizzyrea let me close out of both of my browswers.
19:01 wizzyrea browswers. cute.
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19:01 wizzyrea ewps
19:01 sekjal simplest first plan:  logout and login to Koha
19:01 wizzyrea I did that
19:02 wizzyrea tried that*
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19:02 wizzyrea no dice
19:02 Brooke kia ora
19:02 jcamins wizzyrea: try it in a VM?
19:02 rangi woot my gitstats patch got accepted
19:02 wizzyrea ah I have other computers here :)
19:02 wizzyrea will try on that in a bit if closing the browsers doesn't get it
19:04 rangi my stop bbiab
19:04 wizzyrea there!
19:04 wizzyrea I closed out of chrome AND firefox
19:04 wizzyrea cleared the history
19:04 wizzyrea and it's unbrokeded
19:04 wizzyrea :D
19:04 Brooke hooray
19:05 wizzyrea so it must have gotten hung up in *memory*?!!?
19:08 * wizzyrea boggles
19:13 oleonard Koha's tags code is so opaque. Makes my brain hurt.
19:13 * Brooke hands oleonard some nsaids.
19:13 * wizzyrea hands oleonard some whisky
19:13 wizzyrea wait
19:13 wizzyrea don't take those together :P
19:14 cait oleonard: if someone can do it  ... it's you :)
19:14 Brooke Wizzy I was just gonna ask if that came out of the OCLC treehouse, but everyone knows that's scotch.
19:16 rangi back
19:17 Brooke welcome back
19:17 * oleonard is pushing the limits of his copy-and-pasting skills to put together a page in the staff client for showing a list of titles tagged with a particular tag
19:18 Brooke that would be sexy if you manage it.
19:19 oleonard I've got the basics down, now I want to be able to throw in delete buttons
19:23 * cait cheers for oleonard
19:23 Brooke oleonard++
19:23 Brooke why cheer when you can mod?
19:23 oleonard Because the proof is in the code
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19:35 rangi also
19:35 rangi do brookes survey
19:35 rangi or i will find you
19:36 Brooke <3
19:36 rangi Brooke: can i forward to ppl at work?
19:36 Brooke please!
19:36 rangi will do
19:36 rangi tweet?
19:36 Brooke go for it
19:36 Brooke the more the merrier
19:36 rangi cool
19:36 oleonard Brooke: Mine is the one that says open source is a huge sausage fest and we need more babes.
19:36 Brooke it doesn't even necessarily have to be library science folks - anyone outside the field might be useful for a baseline
19:37 Brooke ha owen
19:37 rangi heh
19:37 jcamins My response is the one written by me.
19:38 jcamins (and for those of you thinking "well, obviously," I should clarify that Brooke's going to be able to tell)
19:39 * Brooke is just glad that her cat will not be the only respondent.
19:39 jcamins Speaking of cats, Myshkin says hi.
19:39 Brooke well Socks is tattling that I didn't feed her yet, even though she's got 22 minutes. That's cat for hi, I suppose.
19:40 jcamins We've finally gotten Myshkin to the point where he only begs for food in the morning.
19:41 * wizzyrea has filled it out
19:41 Brooke :)
19:42 jcamins Of course, what he lacks in frequency he makes up in persistence.
19:42 rangi im pretty sure she can tell mine too ;)
19:42 Brooke holy crap
19:43 Brooke the interwebs says 56 people have answered the whole thing
19:43 Brooke the interwebs nevar lies
19:43 oleonard Could someone look at remove_tag in and tell me if I can pass it a tag+biblionumber instead of a tag_id?
19:45 rangi 2 secs oleonard
19:45 rangi looking now
19:45 rangi in master?
19:45 oleonard Yes
19:46 cait jcamins: sounds like a miracle :)
19:46 rangi doesnt look like it
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19:46 rangi tag_id and optionally a borrowernumber
19:46 oleonard thanks for checking rangi
19:47 jcamins cait: it sure is.
19:48 rangi survey done
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19:53 jcamins Grr.
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19:54 jcamins Naturally since I just bragged about Myshkin's good behavior he started begging.
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19:55 rhcl_away My cam dat complained last night because some of the food I put in her bowl fell on the floor, and if it isn't in the bowl it isn't cat food.
19:56 Brooke that is weird
19:56 Brooke if it's not OUT of the bowl, it doesn't taste good.
19:57 jcamins Yeah, I have to agree with Brooke on this.
19:57 rhcl_away well, I'll bring her to the next KudosCon and you two can discuss the issue with her.
19:57 Brooke sternly, or over warm milk?
19:58 rhcl_away your choice
19:58 Brooke PetCon 2013
19:58 rhcl_away I doubt that she would drink milk, especially my almond milk.
19:59 oleonard You'll have to get her an ALA membership rhcl_away
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20:00 cait rhcl_away: or bring her to kohacon :)
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20:22 oleonard Made progress, added a bug for it (Bug 6933)
20:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6933 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Add a view of titles with a particular tag to the staff client
20:23 rangi cool
20:23 cait :)
20:23 * oleonard assigns to himself
20:23 cait already on working new features :)
20:23 wizzyrea oleonard that is freat
20:23 wizzyrea great :)
20:23 wizzyrea wtf is freat.
20:23 oleonard that's the new word for cool that only the cool koha kids use
20:24 jcamins Yeah, the sort of thing that only hoopy froods say.
20:24 jcamins ;)
20:25 oleonard Bye, all you freat klems!
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20:32 rangi yay now im happy
20:32 rangi!/shlew/s[…]19146872739856385
20:33 * Brooke gasps.
20:33 Brooke has to be someplace.
20:34 Brooke I watched a good chunk of the Italy / USA game in retrospect. Stupid NBC.
20:35 rangi :)
20:35 rangi they played ok
20:35 Brooke hadn't seen the score anyway
20:36 rangi good game tomorrow
20:36 Brooke Contragiovanni was teh awesome
20:36 rangi samoa vs south africa
20:36 rangi gonna be some huge hits
20:36 * Brooke has always been hot on gli azzurri
20:37 wizzyrea isn't that a type of pasta?
20:38 jcamins It sounds to me like Italian for "the blues."
20:38 * Brooke nods.
20:38 Brooke generally refers to football
20:38 Brooke but everyone ends up in blue, just about.
20:39 jcamins Wait, you mean I was actually right about what it means?!?
20:39 * wizzyrea was failing as being funny
20:39 wizzyrea s/as/at
20:39 Brooke certo
20:39 jcamins Wow!
20:39 jcamins That's very exciting.
20:40 Brooke I must warn you that me Italian's gone steadily downhill since HS, though
20:40 Brooke I clung to it through IRC for a few years at Uni
20:40 jcamins I don't know any Italian, so you're still ahead of me.
20:40 Brooke but it's not the same as speaking
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20:42 Brooke 0/
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20:56 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard i imagine you'll get this for your kiddos:[…]to-pick-up-157160
20:56 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
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20:57 Brooke do they publish git like that?
20:57 Brooke cause that's what I need.
20:57 wizzyrea that would be handy
20:58 rangi NateC?
20:58 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
20:58 Brooke shouldn't that read I love my wife; I only like space.
20:59 sekjal hey, all, I've got a small follow up idea to bug 6901
21:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6901 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Add CSS classes/ids to OPAC and staff XSLT views
21:00 wizzyrea shoot
21:00 cait what liz said
21:01 sekjal for fields that can contain multiple entries, like authors or subjects, have a "plural" class that wraps all of them, and an individual class for each one
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21:01 sekjal so, <span class="subjects"> would have multiple <a class="subject">
21:01 cait I think that would mean more changes
21:01 cait to the xslt
21:02 sekjal yes, it would require another patch
21:02 cait not sure i see the advantage
21:02 sekjal screen-scrapers would be better able to pluck out each individual subject and index it
21:02 wizzyrea well specifically, how would you select a specific subject among all of those subjects?
21:03 cait screen scrapers?
21:03 rangi jaws etc cait
21:03 cait oh
21:03 sekjal exalead
21:03 sekjal was the example I was using in my thought process
21:03 cait jaws = screen reader?
21:04 rangi yup
21:04 sekjal wizzyrea: you wouldn't be able to select specific subjects... but you could tell the program to grab each individual subject for any given biblio
21:04 sekjal or the "first", "second", "last", etc
21:04 sekjal as XPath allows
21:04 wizzyrea ah sure
21:05 wizzyrea i have no objections to that
21:07 sekjal it'd be a little more stable to specify than "span.subjects a"
21:08 cait hmm
21:08 cait not disagreeing
21:08 cait not sure :)
21:09 maximep Is anyone interested by new report pages ? Should I send them in bug reports ?
21:09 maximep I have no clue if they are useful or not :/
21:09 wizzyrea sql library?
21:10 wizzyrea report library?
21:10 wahanui report library is, like, at[…]L_Reports_Library
21:10 wizzyrea is that what you mean?
21:10 maximep no, it's new pages
21:10 * wizzyrea is not sure what you mean by 'report pages'
21:10 maximep well, like the ones in statistics wizards
21:10 wizzyrea oh, sure, submit them
21:11 wizzyrea @quote get 123
21:11 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
21:11 rangi screenshots would help ppl see what they do too
21:11 wizzyrea someone will be interested :)
21:11 maximep cool
21:11 sekjal I must depart; got to pick up my wife, then go borrow a truck for tomorrow's rock-hauling party
21:11 sekjal cheers, all
21:11 rangi cya sekjal
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21:18 cait good night all
21:18 rangi cya cait
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21:37 wizzyrea fine grace periods are computed once per item? or once per fining interval?
21:38 * wizzyrea can't remember
21:38 wizzyrea something is tickling my brain.
21:39 rangi sorry?
21:40 rangi once per issue, you get the grace period
21:40 rangi then the fines kick in
21:40 rangi using the charging interval
21:41 rangi so if you had fine amount $1, 2 day grace, 1 day interval
21:41 wizzyrea and it was 3 days overdue
21:41 wizzyrea you'd have a fine of $1
21:41 rangi on day 3 overdue it would get a $1 fine, and then increment
21:41 rangi by 1
21:41 rangi each day
21:41 wizzyrea that's what I thought happened
21:41 rangi until you hit the max set in your sysprefs
21:42 rangi at least thats what used to happen
21:42 wizzyrea :)
21:42 * wizzyrea wishes cait were here
21:42 rangi dunno about in the hourly loans branch, i assume its still the same
21:42 rangi its whats happening in 3.4.5 anyway
21:43 wizzyrea *nod* i believe it's how ours are working.
21:43 wizzyrea but i sort of recall something cait said about fines
21:43 wizzyrea and how they drive her nuts
21:43 rangi well
21:43 rangi 123 applies here
21:44 wizzyrea aha
21:44 rangi lots of libraries do things like after 2 days 1$
21:44 rangi then after 1 day, .50c
21:44 wizzyrea oh, truly silly things.
21:44 rangi so 3 days = 1.50
21:44 wizzyrea i mean, completely logical given their situation :P
21:44 rangi and goes up in .50 from there
21:44 rangi the rules cant cope with that
21:44 rangi as they currently stand
21:44 rangi even worse
21:45 rangi some increase
21:45 rangi .5 then 1 , then 1.5 increments
21:45 rangi etc
21:45 * wizzyrea 's head explodes
21:45 rangi if you can think of a way to confuse the hell out of your patrons
21:45 rangi libraries will have done that too
21:45 * wizzyrea starts the campaign for sanity in fining rules
21:45 rangi :)
21:46 wizzyrea ^.^
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22:24 rangi sup NateC
22:24 NateC hiya rangi
22:27 rangi how was the mets game?
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22:48 f18 hi guys, which could be a koha installation directory?
22:49 f18 i cant find my koha installation
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22:51 rangi did you install from git, the tarball, or the packages?
22:51 f18 tarball
22:52 rangi most likely /usr/local/koha or /usr/share/koha
22:52 gbarniskis find / -name koha
22:53 gbarniskis or for overkill -name "*koha*"
22:55 f18 *narf* it seems like they shut the server in that moment down. TY for the help :) i'll try it tomorrow
22:55 f18 good bye
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22:56 rangi heh
22:58 gbarniskis is there a koha cmd line or other util that will split the big fat umich records into smaller hunks for me?
22:58 eythian what's umich?
22:58 gbarniskis ther free U of Mich record set is huge
22:59 gbarniskis i am assuming i ought not try to batch load all of it
22:59 eythian Depends how much storage you have really
23:00 eythian It'll all go into the reservoir.
23:00 gbarniskis tons but I thought someone in #koha the other day mentioned a limit on how many bibs one would want to attempt in one pass
23:01 gbarniskis i'm happy to load the whole thing if it'll go as one file
23:01 eythian Not sure, I don't use that very often. Anyway, I'm not aware of anything that'll easily split up a MARC file (I assume that's what it is?), I tend to hand-write tools like that as needed.
23:01 eythian Try it, see what happens :)
23:04 gbarniskis yah, I have wrapped stuff in MARC::Record before, for school. Maybe I'll sift it for juicy subjects and make chunks that way.
23:04 jcamins gbarniskis: the problem is with uploading giant files. If you use the command line tools, you won't have any problems.
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23:04 gbarniskis coolness
23:05 gbarniskis going to do some little utils too, because I want to create myself a way to organize selected bib/patron/transacton/library/syspref combos for staging tests
23:09 gbarniskis why does debian dns client hate my house.local domain? i can nslookup against it fine but all other apps not so much
23:10 gbarniskis it likes "www" but not "". not at all
23:10 jcamins gbarniskis: you forgot to put entries in your /etc/hosts file?
23:10 eythian what's your search path? Are you running DNS?
23:11 gbarniskis DNS and DHCP run on the house server and only debian (so far) has ever had a prob as a client
23:11 eythian hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
23:11 eythian from /etc/nsswitch.conf
23:11 gbarniskis i probably need to hack some dhclient.conf type of file
23:11 eythian that can sometimes cause oddness and need messing with
23:12 eythian but also, what's /etc/resolv.conf?
23:12 eythian DNS can be a mysterious beast
23:13 gbarniskis resolv.conf is what the dhcp server dutifully gives everyone. should just work
23:13 gbarniskis nslookup likes it fine
23:14 eythian nslookup is depricated, what about 'host' and 'dig'?
23:14 gbarniskis weird. putting it in the parking lot, since bare host names work for now
23:14 gbarniskis thx
23:14 eythian most importantly, is there a 'search' entry in resolv.conf
23:14 gbarniskis hehe. deprecated for real? probably why it still "just works" =)
23:15 jcamins nslookup is deprecated?
23:15 jcamins I didn't know that.
23:15 gbarniskis yeah there is a search
23:15 jcamins Shouldn't dig be included by default if it's the new DNS resolver?
23:15 eythian jcamins: I think it is, anyway. 'host' is the new one
23:15 eythian dig is for examining DNS in detail
23:16 jcamins eythian: dig never works for me on Debian servers.
23:16 jcamins host is there, though.
23:16 eythian - dig - query the DNS in various ways
23:16 eythian - nslookup - the older way to do it
23:16 eythian they come in the same package
23:16 eythian (dnsutils)
23:17 jcamins Interesting.
23:17 wahanui interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
23:17 jcamins wahanui: very true.
23:17 wahanui jcamins: i'm not following you...
23:18 jcamins wahanui: very true is <reply> I know. That's why I said it.
23:18 wahanui OK, jcamins.
23:18 jcamins wahanui: very true.
23:18 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
23:21 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "gbarniskis: scripts for dealing with UMich data" (33 lines) at
23:22 eythian jcamins: you should make it just produce a file for each collection :)
23:23 jcamins eythian: good point. Didn't occur to me.
23:23 jcamins And I just needed the three.
23:24 jcamins gbarniskis: pipe the results of the first script to | sort | uniq -c if you want to see how big the various collections are.
23:24 gbarniskis very cool
23:25 jcamins gbarniskis: that's only useful if you're going for special collections records, though, I think.
23:26 gbarniskis no, it's useful because I'll be jamming my own logic into that real quick now. ty!
23:28 jcamins gbarniskis: you're welcome.
23:28 jcamins gbarniskis: to clarify, I meant that the 773 is only used in special collections.
23:33 gbarniskis i'm excited by the instant gratification of not studying perldoc MARC stuff or my school notes. I can hack this right away to get say, all Astronomy works
23:34 jcamins Heh. True.
23:35 jcamins Oh, one thing I'd change... don't use eq. Use a match operator.
23:35 jcamins And, if you know how to do that, tell me.
23:35 jcamins :)
23:36 gbarniskis one operates a match by closing the matchbook and striking the match to the edge of it
23:37 jcamins Heh.
23:37 jcamins Actually, I can't do that either.
23:37 jcamins Nor use a lighter.
23:40 jcamins Nor use a flint and steel.
23:41 gbarniskis use Fire::Sources; # it's easier that way anyway
23:41 jcamins :)
23:41 * gbarniskis is off to dinner
23:41 gbarniskis thx all
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