IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-21

All times shown according to UTC.

Time S Nick Message
01:14 druthb left #koha
01:37 glernil joined #koha
01:38 glernil left #koha
01:52 glernil joined #koha
02:53 danmc anyone up on debugging?  It is claiming 3 of my modules are at a current version of "0" when I don't think they are.  Is there perhaps any sort of a debug log created?
02:54 jcamins_away danmc: I don't know much about it, but which modules?
02:56 danmc MARC::Charset, MARC::File::XML, Schedule::At
02:56 jcamins_away Ooh.
02:56 jcamins_away You don't need the latter, but you do need the other two.
02:56 jcamins_away What OS?
02:56 danmc NetBSD
02:57 danmc working on getting koha into pkgsrc (the system NetBSD uses for 3rd party apps)
02:57 * jcamins_away spent a while working on a FreeBSD port.
02:57 jcamins_away Check that you don't have two versions of Perl?
02:57 danmc ok, so you know the drill of trying to compile the big list of perl module dependencies
02:57 jcamins_away Yep.
02:58 danmc perl-5.12.2 is the only one I have installed
02:58 jcamins_away Okay, just checking.
02:58 danmc I should look, is there a working koha port in freebsd ports?
02:58 jcamins_away _That_ particular issue tripped me up... many times.
02:58 jcamins_away Nope.
02:58 jcamins_away Lemme see if I still have my Makefile.
02:59 danmc I had briefly looked at koha ages (8 yrs) ago and then more recently started digging into a PR someone submited with a slightly out of date version.
02:59 jcamins_away No help there.
02:59 jcamins_away (my Makefile... it wasn't written yet.
03:00 danmc ah.
03:00 jcamins_away Let's see...
03:00 jcamins_away You know that MARC::File and MARC::File::XML are completely different, right?
03:00 jcamins_away MARC::Charset should be p5-MARC-Charset.
03:01 jcamins_away Under textproc, maybe?
03:01 danmc yep.  I have p5-MARC-Charset and p5-MARC-XML
03:01 danmc the XML one has /usr/pkg/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.0/MARC/File/
03:01 jcamins_away Hm.
03:02 jcamins_away vendor_perl? Is that a proper NetBSD thing?
03:02 jcamins_away That doesn't look right to me, from my experience with FreeBSD.
03:02 danmc good question.  I generally shy away from working on the perl module pkgs
03:03 danmc seems to be that way on the ones I'm spot checking
03:03 jcamins_away Okay, just checking.
03:05 jcamins_away What version of p5-MARC-XML do you have?
03:05 danmc actually, it claims Schedule::At is required.  I may have to suck it up and try to figure out out the program actually works.
03:05 danmc I have 0.92 of p5-MARC-XML
03:06 glernil left #koha
03:06 jcamins_away Schedule::At is definitely not required.
03:06 jcamins_away That functionality does not work.
03:07 jcamins_away What version of Koha are you working with?
03:08 jcamins_away Copy the output of into
03:08 danmc 3.04.00
03:09 jcamins_away Okay, that's good.
03:10 pastebot "danmc" at pasted " output" (118 lines) at
03:12 jcamins_away Hm.
03:13 jcamins_away I have no idea how C4::Installer::PerlModules works.
03:13 danmc yeah, me neither.  Seems to be a koha specific module.
03:13 jcamins_away Definitely Koha specific.
03:13 jcamins_away Also completely opaque.
03:19 danmc so it's not just me being dumb
03:19 jcamins_away No.
03:19 jcamins_away Definitely not.
03:20 jcamins_away The person to talk to is chris_n.
03:20 jcamins_away Unfortunately, it's 11:23pm on Friday where he is.
03:20 danmc lol
03:20 danmc Unfortunately is is also 11:23pm on Friday where I am too ;)
03:21 jcamins_away Where I am, too.
03:24 danmc are you a casual user or do you use koha for a job?
03:24 jcamins_away The latter.
03:24 jcamins_away I'm the Lead Support Specialist for ByWater Solutions.
03:25 jcamins_away We use Debian exclusively.
03:25 jcamins_away Or, at least, as exclusively as we can.
03:27 danmc with the rather long list of dependencies, I can see wanting to stick to one OS distribution.
03:28 jcamins_away Yeah. Especially since Catalyst has super-slick packages.
04:06 danmc ah.  C4::Installer aside, it seems those few perl modules are broken.
04:09 pastebot "danmc" at pasted "broken perl modules" (14 lines) at
04:09 danmc I suspect if I fix that issue then will become happy.
04:29 hotdog joined #koha
04:31 hotdog left #koha
04:31 pianohacker joined #koha
04:31 pianohacker hola
04:32 pianohacker anyone around for a bit of lazyweb?
04:34 pianohacker actually, maybe: rangi?
05:12 kmkale joined #koha
05:12 kmkale Namaskar #koha
06:10 kmkale left #koha
06:29 kmkale joined #koha
06:36 kmkale left #koha
07:15 adnc joined #koha
07:18 pianohacker left #koha
08:07 cait joined #koha
08:08 cait hi #koha
08:26 adnc left #koha
09:44 cait left #koha
10:10 cait joined #koha
10:10 cait @wunder Konstanz
10:10 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 22.0�C (12:00 PM CEST on May 21, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
10:52 druthb joined #koha
10:52 druthb o/
10:52 cait morning druthb :)
10:52 druthb hi. :)
10:52 * cait puts a big bowl of strawberries in the middle of #koha
10:53 * druthb takes one and nibbles on it.
10:55 cait are you not scared I am trying to poison you? ;)
10:55 * cait remembers the cookie incident
10:59 druthb nope.
11:00 cait k
11:00 Guillaume joined #koha
11:25 Guillaume left #koha
11:30 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
11:30 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
11:32 druthb Hi, jcamins!
11:34 Guillaume joined #koha
11:56 cait hi jcamins
11:57 jcamins Hi cait.
12:20 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
12:22 druthb Hi, magnuse! :)
12:23 cait hi magnuse :)
12:23 magnuse kia ora druthb and cait and #koha
12:24 magnuse anyone else tried wizzyreas patch for bug 6258?
12:24 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6258 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Guided reports wizard 'Build new' brings up empty page
12:24 magnuse i get "fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (reports/"
12:27 jcamins What arguments are you using?
12:27 magnuse git am -i3u
12:28 jcamins Okay, no idea, then.
12:28 magnuse hm, guess i have to mark it does not apply, then
12:35 cait and it does not finish?
12:35 cait hm, fatal
12:35 cait probably not
12:38 magnuse nope, it suggeste git am --resolved/skip/abort
12:38 magnuse the first patch applies nicely though
12:41 cait ah
12:41 cait and solving the conflict?
12:41 cait it's only a one liner
12:41 Guillaume left #koha
12:44 magnuse it's not really a conflict, it's "sha1 information is lacking or useless"
12:45 magnuse i could do what she did and create a new patch, but wouldn't want to appear to steal her fix or something...
12:46 cait yeah :(
12:46 cait she had some problems with her git branch
12:46 cait probably somethng went wrong
12:46 magnuse yeah, looks like it
13:22 magnuse is now known as magnus_away
13:38 Ahmuck left #koha
13:53 Ahmuck joined #koha
13:56 jcamins search faq?
13:56 wahanui search faq is, like, at[…]on/faq/searching/
14:40 bg pancakes?
14:40 wahanui pancakes are always good
14:40 bg recipe for pancakes?
14:41 * druthb pokes her BEST BOSS EVAR in the ribs.
14:41 druthb wahanui: recipe for pancakes?
14:41 wahanui i heard recipe for pancakes was at[…]cakes/Detail.aspx
14:43 bg I'm thinking about this one
14:44 druthb oooo.  teh yum.
14:44 jcamins Coconut curry chocolate chip cookies are at[…]ate-chip-cookies/
14:44 druthb wahanui: recipe for pancakes is also at
14:44 wahanui okay, druthb.
14:45 druthb wahanui: druthb?
14:45 wahanui druthb: bugger all, i dunno
14:45 druthb wahanui: Brooke?
14:45 wahanui Brooke is deprecated
14:45 druthb lol
14:45 bg heh
14:45 bg druthb?
14:46 druthb wahanui: druthb is blogging irregularly at
14:46 wahanui OK, druthb.
14:46 bg wahanui: jcamins?
14:46 wahanui well, jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas.
14:46 bg wahanui: druthb?
14:46 wahanui druthb is blogging irregularly at
14:46 * druthb blinks.
14:46 bg :D
14:46 druthb wahanui: bg?
14:46 wahanui [1]+ infobot &
14:46 druthb wahanui brendan?
14:46 wahanui somebody said brendan was with his family
14:48 druthb wahanui: bg?
14:48 wahanui hmmm... bg is the awesomest, really, I mean it.
14:51 druthb is now known as druthb_away
15:23 Oak joined #koha
15:24 Oak \o
15:24 cait hi Oak
15:25 Oak hello Ms. cait :)
15:25 cait :)
15:25 Oak see, i remembered
15:25 druthb_away is now known as druthb
15:26 druthb Hi, Oak! :)
15:26 Oak hiya druthb, how are you today? :)
15:26 druthb Doing well! :)
15:26 Oak good
15:27 * Oak is reading Stranger in a Strange Land
15:28 druthb I haven't read any Heinlein in years and years.
15:29 Oak what was your last book druthb ?
15:30 druthb Hm...  I enjoyed Heinlein's YA stories a *lot*...they stayed clear of his somewhat strange politics, and his...erm...strange views on sex and sexuality.  I think the last one I read, about two or three years ago, was "Orphans of the Sky."
15:32 druthb Being a transgendered person, I somewhat get the themes of "I Will Fear No Evil," though Heinlein's oddities are clear there...he *didn't* get it, but he was willing to talk about it, at a time when a lot of authors were not.
15:33 Oak err, i don't know much about his views. this is his first book i'm reading... normally I prefer reading books by Hardy, Austen, Tolstoy, Charlotte Bront�, Hemingway again and again
15:34 Oak i mean i've read Far From the Madding Crowd many times but if I pick it up again i won't be bored one bit
15:35 druthb :)  Heinlein had some interesting views on political structure; he favored democracy, but with a somewhat socialist bent.    His notions on human sexuality were ...somewhat freewheeling.  In this country, the term for such as he is "dirty old man".
15:37 druthb That said (and it sounds negative, but isn't, really...or not too much), he did spin some good stories.  "Stranger" is good, but my favorites are "Friday" and "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress."
15:37 Oak hmm
15:40 druthb He had a lot of interesting ideas, given the context he was writing in...and history has shown him to be at-best partly correct about some of his assumptions of where things were headed.    Good stories, but don't get to thinkin' he was right about things, too much.
15:40 * Oak hides Heinlein's book under the mattress
15:41 * druthb raises an eyebrow
15:41 Oak :)
15:42 * druthb used to read a lot more sci-fi than she does, these days.
15:42 druthb Lately, my science reading is non-fiction ("Perl Best Practices"...) and my fiction reading is non-science (cheap romance novels.  :P )
15:43 Oak hehe
15:46 * jcamins just read half of The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana.
15:46 * jcamins feels rather betrayed. It started out so well, then suddenly, he's in a coma and his memory is restored.
15:47 * cait hides
15:49 * Oak goes to find something to eat
15:52 * jcamins stirs his garlic flatbread dough.
15:59 cait hmm
15:59 cait sounds yummy
16:00 jcamins It's not going to be as good as the lavash we're going to eat in Budapest, but it should be pretty tasty.
16:03 cait hehe
16:32 druthb goof_resistant_cookery++
17:26 druthb is now known as druthb_away
17:52 Oak left #koha
17:54 jcamins food++
17:56 Ahmuck left #koha
18:00 cait jcamins++ for incredible delicious sounding descriptions of food :)
18:03 druthb_away is now known as druthb
18:07 Ahmuck joined #koha
18:46 Guillaume joined #koha
18:50 druthb is now known as druthb_away
19:00 Guillaume left #koha
20:08 jcamins is now known as jcamins_away
20:13 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
20:17 cait hi magnuse :)
20:18 magnuse hiya cait and #koha
20:25 druthb_away is now known as druthb
20:32 druthb left #koha
20:56 Johnindy left #koha
21:29 cait left #koha
21:46 library_systems_guy joined #koha
21:47 library_systems_guy I have a design question if anybody is working this weekend
21:47 library_systems_guy Why do all of the body of the koha pages span the entire page instead of allowing dynamic sizing easily
21:51 library_systems_guy also would anybody be interested in me adding a navigation bar under the header?
21:52 magnuse library_systems_guy: sounds like you should have a chat with oleonard when he is around ;-)
21:53 library_systems_guy haha ill have to catch him on monday.  I added navigation for our page but i am afraid to commit it since im the new guy.
21:54 magnuse well there's no harming in sending a patch
21:54 magnuse it's a good starting point for a discussion
21:54 library_systems_guy thats true, and I seem to start quite a few of those :p
21:56 magnuse good! ;-)
21:57 library_systems_guy so is oleonard the guy that does a lot of the display stuff?
21:58 nelsonf joined #koha
22:00 magnuse library_systems_guy, yep, he's the web ui guru :-)
22:04 library_systems_guy ok I'll attack him when he gets back on
22:05 magnuse hehe
22:09 magnuse library_systems_guy, are you adding navigation bar to the opac?
22:09 library_systems_guy yes
22:09 library_systems_guy i was just going to use the breadcrumb but i noticed that it was in use in several places
22:10 magnuse hm
22:11 library_systems_guy i've actually done quite a bit of re-arranging of elements in the opac header to maybe make it easier to edit
22:13 magnuse souonds interesting
22:13 library_systems_guy yeah I guess we'll see what oleonard thinks
22:13 magnuse i think having a layout that can easily be altered with css is A Good Thing :-)
22:13 magnuse have you got a public opac that has your changes?
22:14 library_systems_guy umm this one isn't public but i can send you a screenshot if you'd like
22:14 magnuse cait++
22:14 magnuse for signing off on lots of patches
22:14 library_systems_guy w00t cait
22:15 magnuse library_systems_guy, that would be cool
22:18 library_systems_guy give me one sec to upload it to m site and ill get you a link
22:19 library_systems_guy
22:19 magnuse cool
22:19 library_systems_guy keep in mind i just started this yesterday
22:19 library_systems_guy so it still needs a lot of work
22:19 library_systems_guy lol
22:21 library_guy joined #koha
22:21 library_guy closed the wrong window oops
22:22 magnuse hehe
22:22 magnuse that looks cool
22:22 library_guy thanks
22:22 library_guy ill see if i can have a public link available before i talk to oleonard
22:22 magnuse always interesting to see how folks are changing the look of the opac
22:22 nelsonf left #koha
22:23 magnuse i'm sure he'll be intersted to have a look
22:25 library_guy indeed...I keep trying to see who else has the koha opac pretty customized
22:27 magnuse i was thinking we could have a page on the wiki that listed customized opacs, but havn't gotten around to starting one yet
22:27 library_guy well yesterday we were talking about easier ways to theme the opac
22:27 library_guy using SOPAC is rather complicated
22:28 magnuse ooh, goody
22:28 magnuse yeah, any "alternative interface" will probably be some work
22:30 library_guy yeah exactly, have you ever used drupal or wordpress?
22:32 magnuse yup
22:33 library_guy i was hoping for some theming like those systems implement
22:34 magnuse having themes like them would be cool, but i cant really see enough people having enough time to implement it
22:34 magnuse it might require some work on abstraction first, so underlying things could change without every theme needing an update
22:35 library_guy yeah abstraction would be key
22:35 library_guy so I don't really see it happening anytime soon
22:35 magnuse and there is quite a lot that can be done with css and jquery
22:36 magnuse but hey, it's good to have some lofty goals too :-)
22:36 library_guy yes, that is how i started doing stuff
22:37 library_guy well i guess technically you could change everything from jquery if it has an id or some way to traverse to it
22:38 magnuse yeah, pretty much
22:38 magnuse but that's more for quick hacks than for doing major mods, i think...
22:39 library_guy yes exactly...oh the hax
22:44 library_guy good talking to you magnuse, im taking my girlfriend out to dinner so ill ttyl
22:45 magnuse good plan!
22:45 magnuse see ya!
22:50 library_guy left #koha
22:53 druthb joined #koha
22:58 magnuse o/
22:59 druthb Hi, magnus!
22:59 magnuse hiya druthb
23:06 ibeardsl1e joined #koha
23:07 ibeardslee left #koha
23:11 magnuse g'night #koha
23:11 magnuse is now known as magnus_away

| Channels | #koha index | Today | | Search | Google Search | Plain-Text | plain, newest first | summary