Time  Nick                Message
02:53 danmc               anyone up on koha_perl_deps.pl debugging?  It is claiming 3 of my modules are at a current version of "0" when I don't think they are.  Is there perhaps any sort of a debug log created?
02:54 jcamins_away        danmc: I don't know much about it, but which modules?
02:56 danmc               MARC::Charset, MARC::File::XML, Schedule::At
02:56 jcamins_away        Ooh.
02:56 jcamins_away        You don't need the latter, but you do need the other two.
02:56 jcamins_away        What OS?
02:56 danmc               NetBSD
02:57 danmc               working on getting koha into pkgsrc (the system NetBSD uses for 3rd party apps)
02:57 * jcamins_away      spent a while working on a FreeBSD port.
02:57 jcamins_away        Check that you don't have two versions of Perl?
02:57 danmc               ok, so you know the drill of trying to compile the big list of perl module dependencies
02:57 jcamins_away        Yep.
02:58 danmc               perl-5.12.2 is the only one I have installed
02:58 jcamins_away        Okay, just checking.
02:58 danmc               I should look, is there a working koha port in freebsd ports?
02:58 jcamins_away        _That_ particular issue tripped me up... many times.
02:58 jcamins_away        Nope.
02:58 jcamins_away        Lemme see if I still have my Makefile.
02:59 danmc               I had briefly looked at koha ages (8 yrs) ago and then more recently started digging into a PR someone submited with a slightly out of date version.
02:59 jcamins_away        No help there.
02:59 jcamins_away        (my Makefile... it wasn't written yet.
03:00 danmc               ah.
03:00 jcamins_away        Let's see...
03:00 jcamins_away        You know that MARC::File and MARC::File::XML are completely different, right?
03:00 jcamins_away        MARC::Charset should be p5-MARC-Charset.
03:01 jcamins_away        Under textproc, maybe?
03:01 danmc               yep.  I have p5-MARC-Charset and p5-MARC-XML
03:01 danmc               the XML one has /usr/pkg/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.0/MARC/File/XML.pm
03:01 jcamins_away        Hm.
03:02 jcamins_away        vendor_perl? Is that a proper NetBSD thing?
03:02 jcamins_away        That doesn't look right to me, from my experience with FreeBSD.
03:02 danmc               good question.  I generally shy away from working on the perl module pkgs
03:03 danmc               seems to be that way on the ones I'm spot checking
03:03 jcamins_away        Okay, just checking.
03:05 jcamins_away        What version of p5-MARC-XML do you have?
03:05 danmc               actually, it claims Schedule::At is required.  I may have to suck it up and try to figure out out the koha_perl_deps.pl program actually works.
03:05 danmc               I have 0.92 of p5-MARC-XML
03:06 jcamins_away        Schedule::At is definitely not required.
03:06 jcamins_away        That functionality does not work.
03:07 jcamins_away        What version of Koha are you working with?
03:08 jcamins_away        Copy the output of koha_perl_deps.pl into paste.koha-community.org?
03:08 danmc               3.04.00
03:09 jcamins_away        Okay, that's good.
03:10 pastebot            "danmc" at 24.98.165.232 pasted "koha_perl_deps.pl output" (118 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/54
03:12 jcamins_away        Hm.
03:13 jcamins_away        I have no idea how C4::Installer::PerlModules works.
03:13 danmc               yeah, me neither.  Seems to be a koha specific module.
03:13 jcamins_away        Definitely Koha specific.
03:13 jcamins_away        Also completely opaque.
03:19 danmc               so it's not just me being dumb
03:19 jcamins_away        No.
03:19 jcamins_away        Definitely not.
03:20 jcamins_away        The person to talk to is chris_n.
03:20 jcamins_away        Unfortunately, it's 11:23pm on Friday where he is.
03:20 danmc               lol
03:20 danmc               Unfortunately is is also 11:23pm on Friday where I am too ;)
03:21 jcamins_away        Where I am, too.
03:24 danmc               are you a casual user or do you use koha for a job?
03:24 jcamins_away        The latter.
03:24 jcamins_away        I'm the Lead Support Specialist for ByWater Solutions.
03:25 jcamins_away        We use Debian exclusively.
03:25 jcamins_away        Or, at least, as exclusively as we can.
03:27 danmc               with the rather long list of dependencies, I can see wanting to stick to one OS distribution.
03:28 jcamins_away        Yeah. Especially since Catalyst has super-slick packages.
04:06 danmc               ah.  C4::Installer aside, it seems those few perl modules are broken.
04:09 pastebot            "danmc" at 24.98.165.232 pasted "broken perl modules" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/55
04:09 danmc               I suspect if I fix that issue then koha_perl_deps.pl will become happy.
04:31 pianohacker         hola
04:32 pianohacker         anyone around for a bit of lazyweb?
04:34 pianohacker         actually, maybe: rangi?
05:12 kmkale              Namaskar #koha
08:08 cait                hi #koha
10:10 cait                @wunder Konstanz
10:10 huginn`             cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 22.0�C (12:00 PM CEST on May 21, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
10:52 druthb              o/
10:52 cait                morning druthb :)
10:52 druthb              hi. :)
10:52 * cait              puts a big bowl of strawberries in the middle of #koha
10:53 * druthb            takes one and nibbles on it.
10:55 cait                are you not scared I am trying to poison you? ;)
10:55 * cait              remembers the cookie incident
10:59 druthb              nope.
11:00 cait                k
11:30 jcamins             Good morning, #koha.
11:32 druthb              Hi, jcamins!
11:56 cait                hi jcamins
11:57 jcamins             Hi cait.
12:22 druthb              Hi, magnuse! :)
12:23 cait                hi magnuse :)
12:23 magnuse             kia ora druthb and cait and #koha
12:24 magnuse             anyone else tried wizzyreas patch for bug 6258?
12:24 huginn`             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6258 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Guided reports wizard 'Build new' brings up empty page
12:24 magnuse             i get "fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (reports/guided_reports.pl)."
12:27 jcamins             What arguments are you using?
12:27 magnuse             git am -i3u
12:28 jcamins             Okay, no idea, then.
12:28 magnuse             hm, guess i have to mark it does not apply, then
12:35 cait                and it does not finish?
12:35 cait                hm, fatal
12:35 cait                probably not
12:38 magnuse             nope, it suggeste git am --resolved/skip/abort
12:38 magnuse             the first patch applies nicely though
12:41 cait                ah
12:41 cait                and solving the conflict?
12:41 cait                it's only a one liner
12:44 magnuse             it's not really a conflict, it's "sha1 information is lacking or useless"
12:45 magnuse             i could do what she did and create a new patch, but wouldn't want to appear to steal her fix or something...
12:46 cait                yeah :(
12:46 cait                she had some problems with her git branch
12:46 cait                probably somethng went wrong
12:46 magnuse             yeah, looks like it
13:56 jcamins             search faq?
13:56 wahanui             search faq is, like, at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
14:40 bg                  pancakes?
14:40 wahanui             pancakes are always good
14:40 bg                  recipe for pancakes?
14:41 * druthb            pokes her BEST BOSS EVAR in the ribs.
14:41 druthb              wahanui: recipe for pancakes?
14:41 wahanui             i heard recipe for pancakes was at http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/good-old-fashioned-pancakes/Detail.aspx
14:43 bg                  I'm thinking about this one http://www.sugarlaws.com/cinnamon-pancakes
14:44 druthb              oooo.  teh yum.
14:44 jcamins             Coconut curry chocolate chip cookies are at http://www.cookiemadness.net/2009/05/curry-coconut-oatmeal-chocolate-chip-cookies/
14:44 druthb              wahanui: recipe for pancakes is also at http://www.sugarlaws.com/cinnamon-pancakes
14:44 wahanui             okay, druthb.
14:45 druthb              wahanui: druthb?
14:45 wahanui             druthb: bugger all, i dunno
14:45 druthb              wahanui: Brooke?
14:45 wahanui             Brooke is deprecated
14:45 druthb              lol
14:45 bg                  heh
14:45 bg                  druthb?
14:46 druthb              wahanui: druthb is blogging irregularly at http://librarygeekgirl.net
14:46 wahanui             OK, druthb.
14:46 bg                  wahanui: jcamins?
14:46 wahanui             well, jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas.
14:46 bg                  wahanui: druthb?
14:46 wahanui             druthb is blogging irregularly at http://librarygeekgirl.net
14:46 * druthb            blinks.
14:46 bg                  :D
14:46 druthb              wahanui: bg?
14:46 wahanui             [1]+ infobot &
14:46 druthb              wahanui brendan?
14:46 wahanui             somebody said brendan was with his family
14:48 druthb              wahanui: bg?
14:48 wahanui             hmmm... bg is the awesomest boss....no, really, I mean it.
15:24 Oak                 \o
15:24 cait                hi Oak
15:25 Oak                 hello Ms. cait :)
15:25 cait                :)
15:25 Oak                 see, i remembered
15:26 druthb              Hi, Oak! :)
15:26 Oak                 hiya druthb, how are you today? :)
15:26 druthb              Doing well! :)
15:26 Oak                 good
15:27 * Oak               is reading Stranger in a Strange Land
15:28 druthb              I haven't read any Heinlein in years and years.
15:29 Oak                 what was your last book druthb ?
15:30 druthb              Hm...  I enjoyed Heinlein's YA stories a *lot*...they stayed clear of his somewhat strange politics, and his...erm...strange views on sex and sexuality.  I think the last one I read, about two or three years ago, was "Orphans of the Sky."
15:32 druthb              Being a transgendered person, I somewhat get the themes of "I Will Fear No Evil," though Heinlein's oddities are clear there...he *didn't* get it, but he was willing to talk about it, at a time when a lot of authors were not.
15:33 Oak                 err, i don't know much about his views. this is his first book i'm reading... normally I prefer reading books by Hardy, Austen, Tolstoy, Charlotte Bront�, Hemingway again and again
15:34 Oak                 i mean i've read Far From the Madding Crowd many times but if I pick it up again i won't be bored one bit
15:35 druthb              :)  Heinlein had some interesting views on political structure; he favored democracy, but with a somewhat socialist bent.    His notions on human sexuality were ...somewhat freewheeling.  In this country, the term for such as he is "dirty old man".
15:37 druthb              That said (and it sounds negative, but isn't, really...or not too much), he did spin some good stories.  "Stranger" is good, but my favorites are "Friday" and "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress."
15:37 Oak                 hmm
15:40 druthb              He had a lot of interesting ideas, given the context he was writing in...and history has shown him to be at-best partly correct about some of his assumptions of where things were headed.    Good stories, but don't get to thinkin' he was right about things, too much.
15:40 * Oak               hides Heinlein's book under the mattress
15:41 * druthb            raises an eyebrow
15:41 Oak                 :)
15:42 * druthb            used to read a lot more sci-fi than she does, these days.
15:42 druthb              Lately, my science reading is non-fiction ("Perl Best Practices"...) and my fiction reading is non-science (cheap romance novels.  :P )
15:43 Oak                 hehe
15:46 * jcamins           just read half of The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana.
15:46 * jcamins           feels rather betrayed. It started out so well, then suddenly, he's in a coma and his memory is restored.
15:47 * cait              hides
15:49 * Oak               goes to find something to eat
15:52 * jcamins           stirs his garlic flatbread dough.
15:59 cait                hmm
15:59 cait                sounds yummy
16:00 jcamins             It's not going to be as good as the lavash we're going to eat in Budapest, but it should be pretty tasty.
16:03 cait                hehe
16:32 druthb              goof_resistant_cookery++
17:54 jcamins             food++
18:00 cait                jcamins++ for incredible delicious sounding descriptions of food :)
20:17 cait                hi magnuse :)
20:18 magnuse             hiya cait and #koha
21:47 library_systems_guy I have a design question if anybody is working this weekend
21:47 library_systems_guy Why do all of the body of the koha pages span the entire page instead of allowing dynamic sizing easily
21:51 library_systems_guy also would anybody be interested in me adding a navigation bar under the header?
21:52 magnuse             library_systems_guy: sounds like you should have a chat with oleonard when he is around ;-)
21:53 library_systems_guy haha ill have to catch him on monday.  I added navigation for our page but i am afraid to commit it since im the new guy.
21:54 magnuse             well there's no harming in sending a patch
21:54 magnuse             it's a good starting point for a discussion
21:54 library_systems_guy thats true, and I seem to start quite a few of those :p
21:56 magnuse             good! ;-)
21:57 library_systems_guy so is oleonard the guy that does a lot of the display stuff?
22:00 magnuse             library_systems_guy, yep, he's the web ui guru :-)
22:04 library_systems_guy ok I'll attack him when he gets back on
22:05 magnuse             hehe
22:09 magnuse             library_systems_guy, are you adding navigation bar to the opac?
22:09 library_systems_guy yes
22:09 library_systems_guy i was just going to use the breadcrumb but i noticed that it was in use in several places
22:10 magnuse             hm
22:11 library_systems_guy i've actually done quite a bit of re-arranging of elements in the opac header to maybe make it easier to edit
22:13 magnuse             souonds interesting
22:13 library_systems_guy yeah I guess we'll see what oleonard thinks
22:13 magnuse             i think having a layout that can easily be altered with css is A Good Thing :-)
22:13 magnuse             have you got a public opac that has your changes?
22:14 library_systems_guy umm this one isn't public but i can send you a screenshot if you'd like
22:14 magnuse             cait++
22:14 magnuse             for signing off on lots of patches
22:14 library_systems_guy w00t cait
22:15 magnuse             library_systems_guy, that would be cool
22:18 library_systems_guy give me one sec to upload it to m site and ill get you a link
22:19 library_systems_guy http://library.uttyler.edu/Koha.png
22:19 magnuse             cool
22:19 library_systems_guy keep in mind i just started this yesterday
22:19 library_systems_guy so it still needs a lot of work
22:19 library_systems_guy lol
22:21 library_guy         closed the wrong window oops
22:22 magnuse             hehe
22:22 magnuse             that looks cool
22:22 library_guy         thanks
22:22 library_guy         ill see if i can have a public link available before i talk to oleonard
22:22 magnuse             always interesting to see how folks are changing the look of the opac
22:23 magnuse             i'm sure he'll be intersted to have a look
22:25 library_guy         indeed...I keep trying to see who else has the koha opac pretty customized
22:27 magnuse             i was thinking we could have a page on the wiki that listed customized opacs, but havn't gotten around to starting one yet
22:27 library_guy         well yesterday we were talking about easier ways to theme the opac
22:27 library_guy         using SOPAC is rather complicated
22:28 magnuse             ooh, goody
22:28 magnuse             yeah, any "alternative interface" will probably be some work
22:30 library_guy         yeah exactly, have you ever used drupal or wordpress?
22:32 magnuse             yup
22:33 library_guy         i was hoping for some theming like those systems implement
22:34 magnuse             having themes like them would be cool, but i cant really see enough people having enough time to implement it
22:34 magnuse             it might require some work on abstraction first, so underlying things could change without every theme needing an update
22:35 library_guy         yeah abstraction would be key
22:35 library_guy         so I don't really see it happening anytime soon
22:35 magnuse             and there is quite a lot that can be done with css and jquery
22:36 magnuse             but hey, it's good to have some lofty goals too :-)
22:36 library_guy         yes, that is how i started doing stuff
22:37 library_guy         well i guess technically you could change everything from jquery if it has an id or some way to traverse to it
22:38 magnuse             yeah, pretty much
22:38 magnuse             but that's more for quick hacks than for doing major mods, i think...
22:39 library_guy         yes exactly...oh the hax
22:44 library_guy         good talking to you magnuse, im taking my girlfriend out to dinner so ill ttyl
22:45 magnuse             good plan!
22:45 magnuse             see ya!
22:58 magnuse             o/
22:59 druthb              Hi, magnus!
22:59 magnuse             hiya druthb
23:11 magnuse             g'night #koha