IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-10

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00:54 druthb joined #koha
00:54 * druthb mumbles something that sounds like 'kia ora.'
00:54 druthb @seen Brooke
00:54 huginn druthb: Brooke was last seen in #koha 1 day, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Brooke> I  pÄ“hea tō rā?
00:58 * Space_Librarian waves a druthb
01:00 druthb hi, Space_Librarian.  :)
01:00 Space_Librarian :)
01:24 bg @wunder 93109
01:24 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 17.2�C (6:26 PM PDT on May 09, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PDT Tuesday...
01:24 bg seems to always be a wind advisory in effect
01:24 druthb well, it *is* the coast, after all.
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01:38 bencahill hey guys, what is 003 - CONTROL NUMER IDENTIFIER ?
01:38 bencahill I keep getting an error on it when adding records...'003 not filled'
01:39 eythian bencahill: if you're on a good browser, you should just be able to click the field and it'll fill itsel out.
01:39 eythian it should also light up in yellow
01:40 rangi
01:40 rangi for authority records
01:40 rangi and
01:40 rangi[…]oncise/bd003.html
01:40 rangi for bibliographic records
01:40 bencahill ah..
01:41 bencahill weird though, since I didn't get this error on an installation with all the sample there a setting to auto fill it on page load or something?
01:42 eythian the sample data will have it filled in already.
01:42 eythian It doesn't get filled on page load, I presume to ensure that it gets reviewed if needed.
01:42 bencahill no, doing z39.50 searches on an install with sample data, sorry :)
01:42 bencahill this is all from z39.50 to the loc
01:43 bencahill eythian: you're right, it does get filled in when you click on it ;)
01:43 eythian Dunno. I think it tends to come included with z39.50 results.
01:43 bencahill eythian: weird, done about 175 marc records from the loc, and none had it...
01:44 bencahill it didn't light up yellow though... (opera)
01:44 eythian hrm, surprising.
01:44 bencahill is that css or js?
01:44 eythian Yeah, it's mostly aimed at firefox, as it's pretty JS heavy, small browser difference can make things strange, especially in the cataloguing screen.
01:45 bencahill ah :)
01:45 eythian I don't know, probably the JS attaching a style value.
01:45 rangi id be incredibly suprised if any record from LoC didnt have a 003
01:45 bencahill most likely
01:45 bencahill rangi: maybe they do, and I'm doing something odd?
01:45 eythian It might be you didn't notice because it wasn't asking you to fill it out.
01:46 bencahill looking at a raw marc, I don't see a 003
01:46 rangi it has a 001 ?
01:46 bencahill rangi: yes
01:47 bencahill rangi: the one in question is 'understanding practical unix'
01:47 bencahill (a book that was laying on the shelf ;P )
01:47 rangi if it doesnt show, clicking in the 003 to make it show should be sufficient
01:48 bencahill unless of course I don't know how to read a marc record ;)
01:48 bencahill rangi: right, that's much better than getting an error :)
01:49 bencahill btw, using surf to enter data alot :P
01:49 rangi[…]c21%20003&f=false
01:49 rangi horrible url, but explains why 003 is important
01:49 bencahill rangi: nice, thx
01:50 bencahill okay guys, clicking is good, thanks :)
01:52 bencahill oh, how does renewing books currently checked out work? I thought I'd try it out, but it said 'non-renewable' or something to that extent...
01:52 rangi im gonna be forced to point you at the manual :)
01:53 * bencahill RTFM
01:53 rangi ill find you the section
01:53 bencahill why thank you :P
01:53 rangi its the circulation rules that determine it
01:53 bencahill oh oh...
01:53 bencahill lemme look...
01:53 * bencahill waits for slow server
01:53 rangi[…]027#circfinerules
01:55 bencahill hmm, 'Renewals Allowed' is currently set to 2, but I couldn't renew even once :-/
01:55 bencahill nvm, it used to be 0
01:55 bencahill :P
01:56 bencahill (communication error)
01:57 bencahill that'll be all, thanks a bunch rangi & eythian :)
01:57 eythian sweet as
01:57 bencahill :)
01:57 bencahill now to research an RDP protocol error...
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02:12 sijobl that is cool
02:12 sijobl oops
02:12 sijobl hah
02:12 rangi :)
02:16 rangi[…]ity-fuels-ad.html
02:16 rangi I liked this bit
02:17 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "The point of this story is tha" (1 line) at
02:19 rangi i wish the company that kept comparing themselves to redhat, actually acted more like redhat ;)
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02:34 Brooke kia ora
02:35 rangi hiya Brooke
02:35 Brooke :D
02:36 druthb hi, Brooke.  :)
02:36 Brooke ;)
02:37 Space_Librarian hey Brooke
02:37 Brooke <3
02:51 wizzyrea_away Space_Librarian: (ala dramatic chipmunk)
02:53 Brooke dun dun DUN
02:53 Space_Librarian oh dear gawd...
02:53 eythian <-- politeness in Perl development
02:53 eythian (and Klingon)
02:53 rangi andy lester did a good blog post about that subject actually
03:00 wizzyrea_away is now known as wizzy_home
03:19 ibeardslee ls
03:19 ibeardslee sigh
03:25 eythian ./
03:25 eythian ../
03:25 eythian horse_porn/
03:25 wizzy_home !
03:26 Brooke sheep pr0n>horse pr0n.
03:26 eythian I was just giving him what I'm sure he sees when he does an ls in the right window.
03:27 Brooke fencing>sheep pr0n.
03:27 Brooke heheeh
03:27 * Brooke highfives eythian.
03:27 wizzy_home dammit I always miss the fun stuff
03:31 Space_Librarian hehe
03:32 ibeardslee eythian: not my window
03:32 eythian sure sure
03:32 ibeardslee I have my shells windows on the left
03:33 Brooke now now, we can't all have comely Dutch lasses.
03:33 * ibeardslee declines to comment
03:33 * wizzy_home giggles
03:33 eythian[…]ssive/5704357882/ <-- printing this message took more energy still
03:34 Brooke really, nuffin from druthb?
03:34 * Brooke mumbles about the perfect setup being overlooked.
03:35 * Brooke giggles.
03:35 druthb lol
03:35 Brooke ah how many competent GE secretaries did I swipe.
03:36 Brooke dude that photostream is the bomb.
03:36 wizzy_home it's quite funny
03:39 Brooke oh this is bad
03:39 Brooke I'm trying not to laugh the neighbours awake.
03:40 Brooke[…]6/in/photostream/
03:41 wizzy_home LOL
03:42 * druthb giggles.
03:42 Brooke Robin wins the how to amuse an ijiot for hours contest.
03:42 wizzy_home eythian++
03:42 eythian heh
03:42 Brooke This was sorely needed after the testosterone induced bellguard bumping with Mike.
03:43 wizzy_home dyac is another great one for belly laughs.
03:45 ibeardslee the guy in the desk next to me ends up in tears
03:48 wizzy_home at dyac?
03:48 eythian no, because he sits next to ibeardslee
03:48 * wizzy_home grumbles
03:48 ibeardslee wizzy_home: yes  eythian: g<tab>
03:49 eythian heh
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03:53 Brooke ls catalyst
03:57 Space_Librarian mmmbyes?
03:58 * Brooke is gonna hyperventilate and pass out
04:00 Brooke thank you sir, for I now know just what to cut LRTS with to maintain mah sanitay.
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04:08 Brooke 0/
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05:10 Brooke :)
05:10 cait good morning #koha :)
05:10 cait hi Brooke :)
05:11 Space_Librarian morning cait
05:11 cait evening Space_Librarian :)
05:12 Space_Librarian :)
05:13 Brooke one big smiley family.
05:13 Brooke ohana to whanau
05:13 Brooke freggin southerners and yer drawl ;)
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05:27 cait have I scared her away?
05:28 eythian yes
05:30 cait :P
05:31 eythian you asked
05:32 cait how is the migration?
05:32 eythian making progress. Currently working on extracting the vendor list from liberty in as sensible fashion as I can.
05:34 cait ah liberty again
05:34 eythian I also note that the 'accountnumber' field is in the database, but not exposed on the UI. Curious.
05:34 cait koha?
05:34 wahanui i think koha is a free software ils see for more info
05:34 cait yes
05:34 cait the bookseller table is strange
05:34 eythian yeah
05:34 cait there are lots of fields not shown anywhere
05:35 cait address is weird too
05:35 cait I think we put all in one field
05:35 eythian no, we split it up and take the first 4 lines, and put those into 4 fields.
05:35 eythian It's still pretty weird.
05:35 cait hm ok, my good mood after waking up is fading, killed my apache configuration
05:36 eythian oops
05:36 cait eythian: it is
05:38 eythian bookselleremail is also not shown in the ui. That's a bit silly
05:38 eythian and yet there's two separate fax fields.
05:38 cait hm we have an email field
05:38 cait shown
05:39 eythian cait: yeah, that's contemail
05:39 eythian wahanui: fax?
05:39 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, eythian
05:39 cait !
05:39 eythian wahanui: fax is <reply>No, \I ain't got a fax machine! \I also ain't got an Apple IIc, polio, or a falcon!
05:39 wahanui OK, eythian.
05:39 eythian wahanui: fax
05:39 wahanui No, I ain't got a fax machine! I also ain't got an Apple IIc, polio, or a falcon!
05:41 cait you have bad influence und poor wahanui
05:42 eythian wahanui: eythian is a good influence
05:42 wahanui ...but eythian is in NZ. ;)...
05:42 eythian wahanui: eythian is also a good influence
05:42 wahanui okay, eythian.
05:42 eythian solved!
05:43 cait oh my
05:43 cait botsnack wahanui cookie
05:43 cait wahanui botsnack cookie
05:43 wahanui thanks cait :)
05:44 cait eythian: can message_queue table only be used for emails to patrons?
05:44 cait I was thinking about putting acquisition order mails in there
05:44 eythian I don't know for sure, but I suspect so, as I think it uses the borrower number to look up the email address
05:45 cait hm
05:45 cait and providing it a from address?
05:45 eythian but it would pay to see if you can give it an email address, and if so what it does
05:45 eythian dunno, haven't looked into it in depth
05:45 cait do you think it's a good idea to put other mails in there?
05:45 cait I like the idea because it would make it possible to track what you have sent out and when
05:46 cait but still not sure :)
05:47 eythian yes, because it also allows you to log and control email centrally, which is quite handy
05:48 cait hm ok
05:48 cait there might be a reason why you want to make acq mails go out fast, but I think you could just make the cronjob run more often
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05:50 eythian yeah, I don't think the 10-15 minute thing is going to be a problem for that
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05:57 cait hm
05:57 cait looks like it only uses the borrowernumber if you don't have a to adress in the table :)
05:57 eythian ah, that's good
05:58 eythian hmm, there's not two fax numbers here, there's three. That's just ridiculous.
05:58 cait if I am reading that correctly...
05:58 cait lol
05:58 eythian heh, and every one of them is a different data type
05:58 cait yes...
05:58 cait borrowers is the same
05:58 eythian yeah
05:58 cait I tried to clean that up but got stuck and went on to other projects...
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06:00 eythian oh, and the 'active' field is set twice, fortunately from the same source.
06:01 eythian hi ronald
06:01 cait hi ronald
06:02 eythian I think I'm going to go home and finish this tomorrow.
06:03 eythian bye all
06:03 cait have a nice evening :)
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06:33 alex_a hi #koha
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06:38 paul_p hello world
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07:40 julian hi #koha!
07:41 rangi hi europe
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07:47 mihafan hello
07:49 mihafan Description of problem:  On local machine is installed windows server 2003 with configured active director. I installed Debian on another machine, here I installed Koha 3.2 which still works well. Koha have configured to use a active directory ldap server. I test this ldap server with Softerra LDAP Browser and it works
07:49 mihafan koha-conf.xml contents: <yazgfs> ..............  <config>  ..........................  <memcached_servers></ memcached_servers>  <memcached_namespace></memcached_namespace>   <useldapserver>1</useldapserver>  <ldapserver id="ldapserver">    <hostname></hostname>    <base>dc=koha,dc=local</base>    <user>cn=Administrator,cn=Users,dc=koha,dc=md
07:49 mihafan <firstname    is="givenName"      ></firstname>       <surname      is="sn"             ></surname>       <address      is="postalAddress"  ></address>       <city     is="l" ></city>       <branchcode   is=""               >MAIN</branchcode>       <userid       is="sAMAccountName" >Administrator</userid>       <password     is="userPassword"   ></passwor
07:50 mihafan When I try to log in OPAC module, I give a error "Invalid username or password"!!!
07:51 rangi that user doesn't look right to me
07:52 rangi you have the base info in the user bit
07:52 rangi it needs to be a valid user
07:53 rangi also when you want to paste, use
07:54 pastebot "mihafan" at pasted "Description of problem: On loc" (47 lines) at
07:54 rangi yeah like i said, the user looks wrong to me
07:54 rangi it should be something like
07:55 rangi <user>Administrator@koha.local</user>
07:55 rangi (at a guess)
07:55 rangi try with ldapsearch on the debian machine
07:59 mihafan how to search in ldap server from debian?
07:59 mihafan must be install a ldap client on debian?
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08:00 rangi sudo apt-get install ldap-utils
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08:01 rangi you dont have to have one, but its easier to test with one, but i think the main problem is your user is invalid
08:01 rangi not really a koha problem, as Koha just uses Net::LDAP so maybe read the man pages for that
08:02 mihafan I think the problem is the file to be made ​​when comparing passwords Auth_with_ldap
08:02 rangi could be, are your passwords encrypted?
08:03 mihafan not
08:03 mihafan is plain
08:03 rangi stored in plain text in active directory?
08:03 mihafan yes
08:03 rangi in that case, it wont be the comparison, its more likely the user you are trying to connect with is invalid
08:04 rangi ie, the user you have in <user></user>
08:04 mihafan Yes
08:05 mihafan I test a ldap server with same credentials and it works
08:05 mihafan cn=Administrator,cn=Users,dc=koha,dc=local password: Q1W2e3r4
08:08 mihafan I long ago set up so only the administrator login but other users are not logged in, appear the error "Unatorized user"
08:08 rangi yes, but tahts not how you specify it in the config file
08:08 rangi it uses the base
08:08 rangi to construct that
08:09 rangi you'll have to experiment with it yourself, im out of advice
08:09 mihafan yes I use the base
08:10 mihafan problem is not file Auth_with_ldap??
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08:11 kf hi #koha
08:14 mihafan when I create another user in active directory and fill in Koha-conf, this error still occurs
08:14 mihafan "invalid username or password"
08:26 mihafan rangi?
08:26 wahanui i guess rangi is a proud Māori whose sense of humour matches his prowess in coding.
08:32 kf hdl: around?
08:32 hdl yes.
08:47 kf did you have a change to look at the subscription pattern?
08:49 hdl kf: that would change....
08:49 hdl indeed.
08:49 kf chance sorry
08:49 hdl kf: no problem.
08:50 hdl I had some work at home yesterday night... But could not work on that. Will test and send you before the regular meeting
08:51 hdl (which is tomorrow)
08:51 kf thx
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09:54 mihafan Does anyone know what is causing this error "Bad arg length for Socket::pack_sockaddr_in, length is 0, should be 4 at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/ line 214."
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10:24 druthb o/
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10:27 rangi hey druthb
10:29 druthb saw your tweet about the NZ National Archives, rangi.  That's very cool!
10:30 rangi UK
10:30 rangi which is even cooler imho
10:31 druthb oh!  musta mis-read (too darn early in the AM...)
10:31 druthb It is very awesome.
10:31 rangi yup
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10:32 kf hi druthb :)
10:32 druthb hi, kf. :)
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11:26 conan good morning
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12:16 oleonard Hi #koha
12:16 paul_p hi oleonard
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12:29 kf ok, I have 2 installations, in one it's workingi n the other not - so I suspect configuration
12:29 kf when a reserved book is returned, I get a message but no option to print the slip
12:29 kf anyone an idea which switch that could be?
12:36 oleonard kf, I don't see any switch in the template that would turn off the print slip button
12:36 oleonard Do you have any custom CSS hiding things?
12:39 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
12:39 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
12:40 kf no
12:40 kf oleonard: it's weird
12:40 kf it says the item is reserved on check-in but no buttons for printing the slip and confirming the hold
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12:47 kf hm
12:47 kf I have only one brnach
12:48 kf but it says: Hold at Seminar Stuttgart
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12:56 kf owen: you might be right
12:56 kf I see the buttons in the source code of the page
12:56 oleonard Tricky
12:58 kf thx :)
12:58 kf $("input[name='exemptfine']").parent().remove();
12:59 kf hmpf
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13:12 Oak \o
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13:43 oleonard http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]
13:45 druthb That's very cool news, oleonard.
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14:00 wizzyrea yea, grats to colin and pals
14:01 * wizzyrea finds this trend of Koha in government interesting
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14:05 rhcl @seen gmcharlt
14:05 huginn rhcl: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 23 hours, 15 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> :)
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14:23 rhcl Hey, we just got a bookcrossing book back from 2002. Might be amusing to have a Koha function to track these books.
14:24 * wizzyrea idly wonders if they have an api
14:25 wizzyrea looks like not
14:26 nengard need me some sys pref help
14:26 nengard CircControl  and HomeOrHoldingBranch  have the same descriptions ...
14:26 nengard and then there is HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn
14:26 nengard what does HomeOrHoldingBranch do?
14:26 nengard and i the manual correct when I say it's linked to IndependantBranches
14:27 * wizzyrea has always been confused by that
14:27 wizzyrea but I know that it has something to do with the way the rules are applied for circulation, and what happens when books are returned
14:28 nengard that much is clear, paul_p was this a Biblibre addition?
14:28 nengard all three have to do with circ rules and checking in and out ... just not sure which does what
14:29 nengard there is at least one bug to report here though ... CircControl  and HomeOrHoldingBranch  have the same descriptions
14:30 nengard they can't both do the same thing ... or if they do then we don't need two prefs :
14:30 nengard :)
14:30 jcamins I think that one of them is supposed to be eliminated, but wasn't yet.
14:30 wizzyrea HomeOrHolding was going away in favor of CircControl
14:30 wizzyrea but there's a bug on deprecating it
14:31 wizzyrea and I believe there was objection
14:31 * paul_p reading
14:31 paul_p (hello USA !)
14:31 wizzyrea[…]ding&list_id=5333
14:33 paul_p mmm... sorry, I won't be able to help you, it's not clear for me too
14:34 nengard wizzyrea, okay, that's confusing
14:34 nengard gonna put this to the dev list I guess
14:34 wizzyrea I didn't say you'd like the answer ;)
14:35 * paul_p looking to french descriptions of those sysprefs to see if it helps...
14:36 paul_p same description too, it doesn't help...
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14:41 slef bug 5333
14:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Undefined value stops import from z39.50
14:50 hdl nengard: HomeOrHoldingBranch is there to tell which of the two fields of items homebranch or holdingbranch is to be considered in circulation.
14:50 nengard then what is circcontrol?
14:52 nengard like i said they have the same description
14:57 nengard ?
14:59 conan the irc meeting... is tomorrow?
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15:01 wizzyrea yep
15:01 * Oak waves
15:01 wizzyrea hi Oak :)
15:01 Oak hiya wizzyrea :)
15:01 hdl Circcontrol is here to say which branch from user, library or item to consider.
15:01 Oak that rhymes
15:02 hdl nengard: maybe circcontrol should also get into details : saying items.holdingbranch Or items.homebranch
15:02 hdl It was not designed that way.
15:02 * wizzyrea proposes that all syspref descriptions should be done in verse
15:03 hdl Most of american libraries consider homebranch as the item related information.
15:03 wizzyrea (teasing)
15:03 nengard so if i have circontrol set to 'the library the item is from' and homeorholdingbranch set to 'the library the item was checked out from' what happens
15:03 nengard what rules are followed
15:03 hdl But French are not.
15:04 * conan finally discovered how to import from isismarc into koha
15:04 hdl It is the system preference description which is not really good.
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15:05 hdl circontrol set to the items branch. And then you would choose homebranch or holdingbranch
15:06 hdl In your case the real rule followed is : the library the item was checked out from
15:07 nengard hdl, i'm sorry i'm still very confused
15:08 hdl nengard: in the case of Circcontrol, you have the choice between "3 tables" : issues (or C4::Context-userenv) borrowers, items.
15:08 hdl It is that level of choice.
15:09 hdl for CircControl
15:09 wizzyrea so you can circ with rules based on issuing library, borrower's homebranch, or the item's home branch
15:09 wizzyrea with CircControl
15:09 hdl HomeOrHoldingBranch is to decide whether it is items' homebranch or items' holding branch
15:10 wizzyrea so only items
15:10 hdl i.e. the library rule where the item last was.
15:10 wizzyrea and nothing to do with borrowers or logged in branch
15:10 hdl No.
15:10 hdl only items...
15:10 wizzyrea oh, only the current location
15:11 wizzyrea (holding branch)
15:12 hdl holding branch is the library which latest had the book.
15:12 wizzyrea right
15:12 wizzyrea (where it is now)
15:13 hdl well... where it is supposed to be now... The library which has it.
15:14 hdl The inner behaviour for an item is different depending on the HomeOrHoldingBranch or PickupLibrary
15:14 hdl PickupLibrary only impacts issuingrule.
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15:15 hdl when HomeOrHoldingBranch set to HoldingBranch, it changes the holdingbranch when a borrower returns a book to another library, not the homebranch.
15:16 hdl Because in a network, it is important to keep track of the library who OWNS the item, and the library who HOLDS the item.
15:18 wizzyrea the application of this is that you can have floating items, items that were checked out from their home branch, but returned at another branch
15:19 * conan notices meeting will be at 23 hs today for him
15:19 wizzyrea home or holding return decides whether, when an item is returned, it is held at the holding branch or force returned to the home branch
15:19 wizzyrea I think
15:19 wizzyrea that
15:20 wizzyrea one is one that I've had to futz with lately
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15:30 hdl wizzyrea nengard does that make more sense now ?
15:30 wizzyrea I think so?
15:30 wizzyrea the basic idea I got
15:31 wizzyrea CircControl = rules based on one of item homebranch, patron homebranch, or logged in user branch
15:31 wizzyrea HomeOrHolding = rules based only on items (possibly to be deprecated)
15:32 wizzyrea HomeOrHoldingReturn = defines what happens to an item returned at a branch other than it's home
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15:32 wizzyrea anywhere close to reality?
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15:33 kf oleonard++ late thx for the jquery/css hint :)
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15:37 hdl wizzyrea : quite close... But I know Of HomeOrHoldingBranch and HomeOrHoldingBranchReserves but not of HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn.
15:38 wizzyrea HOHR is under local use atm
15:38 wizzyrea it's new-ish
15:38 wizzyrea funny, because I didn't know about HomeOrHoldingBranchReserves
15:42 sekjal HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn is currently incompatible with IndependantBranches
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15:43 sekjal I've got a fix for it that I need to wrap up and push
15:44 hdl @later tell kf INSERT INTO `subscription` VALUES (3,4,'demo','2011-02-10',1,N​ULL,NULL,0,24,0,6,NULL,'{X} - {Y}','','1',1,6,9999999,0,2012,1,1,9999,1,219,0​,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,'2011-05-31',0,'','',7,NULL,''​,'','GEN','IPT',1,NULL,0,'','',0,'2013-02-10'); here is what you asked for.
15:44 huginn hdl: The operation succeeded.
15:45 hdl @later tell kf it worked for me you can test on
15:45 huginn hdl: The operation succeeded.
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15:51 nengard wizzyrea HOHR was pushed to 3.4 last week i think by chris_n
15:51 nengard where R=Return
15:51 wizzyrea :) I gathered
15:51 * wizzyrea finds that odd
15:51 wizzyrea since I've had it for a copule months at least
15:51 wizzyrea (affecting stuff, no less)
15:52 wizzyrea maybe it was moved from localuse to it's proper place?
15:52 jcamins wizzyrea: it was missing from the .pref file, so it was in local use.
15:52 wizzyrea gotcha
15:52 nengard maybe - the push did say moved HOHR to .pref file
15:52 nengard or some such thing
15:52 wizzyrea AHA
15:52 nengard like jcamins said
15:52 wizzyrea there you have it
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15:57 conan is there an open source marc generator that takes input from a printed marc file?
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15:59 conan somehow MarcEdit works well for 1000 records and below, but it cracks when you feed it with more records
16:03 wizzyrea sekjal++
16:03 nengard conan, i've done well over 50000 before with no prob
16:03 sekjal wizzyrea:  waz tha for?
16:04 wizzyrea fixing the lowercase tobranches ;)
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16:04 wizzyrea hi margo
16:04 margo good morning-ish
16:05 wizzyrea it's 'time-of-the-day' in #koha :)
16:05 margo lol
16:05 nengard hiya margo
16:06 margo hey nengard
16:07 margo is the 3.4 manual searchable yet?
16:07 conan nengard: you got accents problems?
16:07 nengard working on it ....
16:07 nengard conan - what problem?
16:07 margo ok
16:08 conan well, we found problems when importing from isismarc into koha because the accents were not importing ok, so now we're trying a workaround by doing a print to a file in isismarc and then loading that printout into MarcEdit to compile a proper .mrc
16:09 conan we tried 1 record and went fine
16:09 conan we tried 1000 records, also fine
16:09 conan we tried all DB which is >14000 and suddenly all accents dissapeared
16:09 conan can bits get exhausted? :P
16:10 nengard i'm not sure that i had that issue ...
16:10 nengard cant remember
16:11 conan but you have accents in your records?
16:12 nengard they weren't my records so i don't know for sure what was in there
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16:32 rhcl My googler is broke. Can anyone give me a frame of reference for using "REST" for a database connection?
16:32 druthb_away is now known as druthb
16:34 druthb nothing much magic about REST, rhcl.  It's just a fancy sort of URL, and not *very* fancy, at that.
16:35 druthb The programmer sets things up so the program answers to URLS like<searchstring>...not *that* dissimilar from what Koha does now, really.
16:36 rhcl I can't find any documentation--it's probably all buried in search results like "database connection for the rest of us".
16:37 jcamins rhcl: druthb has described the complete definition of REST, I think.
16:37 druthb Here's a basic reader that might help:
16:38 rhcl hey, that looks like a good link!   druthb++
16:38 * druthb blushes.
16:38 cait to lazy to read back - why are you talking about rest?
16:38 druthb Thanx.
16:38 cait ;)
16:38 * druthb points at rhcl.  "Greg asked."
16:38 jcamins cait: we're all tired. ;)
16:38 cait ah
16:38 cait I thought there was a rest api for biblios - not sure it's still there
16:39 rhcl Kyle Hall indicates that he will be using ReST for the new Libki client/server to communicate with the Koha db.
16:39 jcamins cait: see my RefWorks export example.
16:39 cait ah
16:40 jcamins[…]orks_link_to_OPAC
16:40 * jcamins is *very* proud of that one.
16:40 cait wow
16:40 cait lots of code
16:41 druthb REST makes a lot of sense, and is lightweight and (relatively) easy to program.    I'd love to see more Koha things accessible via REST structures.
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17:00 indradg hi #koha
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17:09 * druthb waves to schuster
17:10 schuster heyo!
17:24 cait hiho
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17:30 cait sekjal++
17:30 druthb sekjal++
17:30 sekjal @karma sekjal
17:30 huginn sekjal: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 94 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 93.
17:30 druthb @karma druthb
17:30 huginn druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 94 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 94.
17:30 druthb be switched; I'm still ahead of him.  Just.
17:31 * sekjal is confused, but reckons that may from lack of lunch
17:31 sekjal brb, all
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17:39 nengard @karma nengard
17:39 huginn nengard: Karma for "nengard" has been increased 165 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 165.
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17:45 bg @karma brendan
17:45 huginn bg: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 26 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 26.
17:47 druthb brendan++ #whether he wants it or not!
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17:54 nengard hehe
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18:43 skushner 0kk
18:43 oleonard ?
18:44 skushner set color to white
18:44 oleonard Okay...
18:44 skushner invisible ink
18:45 oleonard[…]g/koha/2011-05-10
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19:05 wizzyrea anyone care to share with me their dev workflow? I'm still working mine out and my mental map needs filling in
19:05 oleonard 1. Dev. 2. ??? 3. Profit.
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19:06 * druthb waves to skushner.
19:07 wizzyrea I think it's 2 that I'm working out ;)
19:07 oleonard What do you think is lacking?
19:07 wizzyrea well, when you're doing an improvement, lets just say
19:08 wizzyrea well for example
19:08 wizzyrea this attach items thing I'm working on. It's done, but I'm not sure the best way to go about submitting it? I know that sounds a little crazy.
19:08 mib_aufos3 Hi, I will to transport my library from localhost to web space. What can I do?
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19:23 skushner hi ruth
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19:48 aogle mib_aufos3,  either open up your firewall, let the world in.  Or get some hosting somewhere.
19:48 aogle eh, nvm :-|
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20:01 rhcl @seen gmcharlt
20:01 huginn rhcl: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 5 hours, 10 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> :)
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20:32 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6323] Attach/move items -- error handling cleanup <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6323>
20:37 rangi morning
20:37 wizzyrea mornin
20:40 rhcl afternoon
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20:50 skushner evenin'
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20:51 rangi heh
20:51 rangi skushner and rhcl, you guys hanging round for the meeting today?
20:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6295 - misaligned columns in opac suggestions list <[…]18e5a1fa530140851> / Bug 6308 - Show number of comments - new patch <[…]9247023bd818b17b9>
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20:58 jenkins_koha Starting build 244 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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21:02 jcamins Good night, #koha.
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21:02 skushner when is the meeting?
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21:03 rangi[…]ting,_11_May_2011
21:03 rangi has a link to a time converter there
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21:12 skushner don't think so, sry
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21:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6284, Reports Filters Need Prettying <[…]30d79acb52b92a8f4> / Bug 6320 Generate Next button doesn't generate next issue <[…]11adb3e08d4747923>
21:12 Space_Librarian morning #koha
21:12 wizzyrea mornin Space_Librarian
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21:19 * Space_Librarian waves
21:23 rhcl rangi: meeting today? The one tomorrow (for us) I presume you mean?
21:23 rangi whats the time there now?
21:24 rhcl Yes, I should be there, but will be in a manager's meeting. I'll monitor with my laptop.
21:24 rangi its at 2utc today
21:24 rangi so in 4.5 hours
21:24 rhcl I am confusted so.
21:24 skushner yesh
21:24 rangi[…]ting,_11_May_2011
21:25 rhcl OK, so there's an irc meeting in 4.5 hours. I'll be there.
21:25 rangi cool
21:25 * wizzyrea to, assuming I can get kiddo in bed :)
21:25 wizzyrea too* even
21:25 rhcl yea, I was on the link, and I said 9:00 am for the converter. But I got it now.
21:26 rhcl Oh, maybe one of us was off 12 hours.
21:28 rhcl 9:00pm? 9:00pm? Hey wizzyrea, does All Stars have wireless internet?
21:29 * wizzyrea considers...
21:29 wizzyrea why exactly would you want wifi at a nudie bar?
21:29 rhcl NUDIE BAR? Where?
21:30 wizzyrea sorry, refined sports bar place with scantily clad waitresses who happen to dance jugs.
21:30 wizzyrea jigs
21:30 wizzyrea (lol)
21:31 bg heh
21:31 rhcl Well, we can sit in the back and drink coffee and Mibbit IRC.
21:31 * bg giggles watching that exchange
21:31 joethoks so... 4.5 hours from now?
21:31 bg at the nudie_bar yes
21:32 rhcl yep. Our 9:00pm
21:32 * wizzyrea is amazed no one caught that rather hilarious typo
21:32 joethoks I will be listening to Lucinda Williams
21:32 rhcl I did
21:32 joethoks oh yes, hilarious
21:32 joethoks YAWN
21:32 wizzyrea i almost fell over.
21:32 * wizzyrea sighs at joethoks
21:33 wizzyrea aren't you in OKLAHOMA now?
21:33 joethoks Hold on to your pole
21:33 wizzyrea ks. psh.
21:33 rhcl well, at least we see what got bg to speak up :)
21:34 bg heh - damn keyword alerts ;)
21:34 joethoks Yes, Tulsa, where Lucinda Williams is too. Probably about to do a sound check about now
21:34 rhcl hehe
21:34 rhcl who is Lucinda Williams?
21:34 joethoks WHAT????
21:34 rhcl who is Lucinda Williams?
21:34 joethoks that is like saying Who is ELVIS
21:34 rhcl who is Elvis?
21:35 joethoks ha ha ha
21:35 joethoks well played
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21:35 joethoks alas, afk
21:35 rhcl Hey, I don't get out much, except to places that apparently other people don't go to, and where the performers have one-name names
21:36 joethoks Mercedes
21:36 joethoks Tuesday
21:36 joethoks Cloud
21:36 joethoks know em?
21:36 joethoks whoops, afk
21:37 rhcl Huh, not those.
21:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #244: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/244/
21:40 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 6308 - Show number of comments - new patch
21:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6295 - misaligned columns in opac suggestions list
21:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6308 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Show number of comments on the "Comments" tab in OPAC
21:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6295 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , misaligned columns in opac suggestions list
21:40 jenkins_koha Starting build 245 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:55 margo goodnight #koha
21:55 wizzyrea back later :)
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22:16 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6325] Bib detail - z39.50 button functionality should be under "Edit" menu. <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6325>
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22:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #245: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/245/
22:22 jenkins_koha * Frédéric Demians: Bug 6320 Generate Next button doesn't generate next issue
22:22 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6284, Reports Filters Need Prettying
22:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6320 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Generate Next button doesn't generate next issue
22:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6284 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Reports Filters Need Prettying
22:31 eythian wahanui: cat is
22:31 wahanui OK, eythian.
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23:55 bg @wunder 93109
23:55 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.8�C (4:58 PM PDT on May 10, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until midnight PDT tonight...
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23:59 Space_Librarian sorry. sorting out my android irc
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