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* druthb |
mumbles something that sounds like 'kia ora.' |
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druthb |
@seen Brooke |
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huginn |
druthb: Brooke was last seen in #koha 1 day, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Brooke> I pÄ“hea tÅ rÄ? |
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* Space_Librarian |
waves a druthb |
01:00 |
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druthb |
hi, Space_Librarian. :) |
01:00 |
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Space_Librarian |
:) |
01:24 |
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bg |
@wunder 93109 |
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huginn |
bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 17.2�C (6:26 PM PDT on May 09, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PDT Tuesday... |
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bg |
seems to always be a wind advisory in effect |
01:24 |
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druthb |
well, it *is* the coast, after all. |
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bencahill |
hey guys, what is 003 - CONTROL NUMER IDENTIFIER ? |
01:38 |
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bencahill |
I keep getting an error on it when adding records...'003 not filled' |
01:39 |
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eythian |
bencahill: if you're on a good browser, you should just be able to click the field and it'll fill itsel out. |
01:39 |
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eythian |
it should also light up in yellow |
01:40 |
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rangi |
http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ad003.html |
01:40 |
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rangi |
for authority records |
01:40 |
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rangi |
and |
01:40 |
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rangi |
http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]oncise/bd003.html |
01:40 |
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rangi |
for bibliographic records |
01:40 |
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bencahill |
ah.. |
01:41 |
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bencahill |
weird though, since I didn't get this error on an installation with all the sample data...is there a setting to auto fill it on page load or something? |
01:42 |
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eythian |
the sample data will have it filled in already. |
01:42 |
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eythian |
It doesn't get filled on page load, I presume to ensure that it gets reviewed if needed. |
01:42 |
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bencahill |
no, doing z39.50 searches on an install with sample data, sorry :) |
01:42 |
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bencahill |
this is all from z39.50 to the loc |
01:43 |
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bencahill |
eythian: you're right, it does get filled in when you click on it ;) |
01:43 |
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eythian |
Dunno. I think it tends to come included with z39.50 results. |
01:43 |
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bencahill |
eythian: weird, done about 175 marc records from the loc, and none had it... |
01:44 |
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bencahill |
it didn't light up yellow though... (opera) |
01:44 |
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eythian |
hrm, surprising. |
01:44 |
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bencahill |
is that css or js? |
01:44 |
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eythian |
Yeah, it's mostly aimed at firefox, as it's pretty JS heavy, small browser difference can make things strange, especially in the cataloguing screen. |
01:45 |
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bencahill |
ah :) |
01:45 |
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eythian |
I don't know, probably the JS attaching a style value. |
01:45 |
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rangi |
id be incredibly suprised if any record from LoC didnt have a 003 |
01:45 |
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bencahill |
most likely |
01:45 |
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bencahill |
rangi: maybe they do, and I'm doing something odd? |
01:45 |
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eythian |
It might be you didn't notice because it wasn't asking you to fill it out. |
01:46 |
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bencahill |
looking at a raw marc, I don't see a 003 |
01:46 |
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rangi |
it has a 001 ? |
01:46 |
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bencahill |
rangi: yes |
01:47 |
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bencahill |
rangi: the one in question is 'understanding practical unix' |
01:47 |
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bencahill |
(a book that was laying on the shelf ;P ) |
01:47 |
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rangi |
if it doesnt show, clicking in the 003 to make it show should be sufficient |
01:48 |
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bencahill |
unless of course I don't know how to read a marc record ;) |
01:48 |
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bencahill |
rangi: right, that's much better than getting an error :) |
01:49 |
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bencahill |
btw, using surf to enter data alot :P |
01:49 |
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rangi |
http://books.google.com/books?[…]c21%20003&f=false |
01:49 |
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rangi |
horrible url, but explains why 003 is important |
01:49 |
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bencahill |
rangi: nice, thx |
01:50 |
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bencahill |
okay guys, clicking is good, thanks :) |
01:52 |
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bencahill |
oh, how does renewing books currently checked out work? I thought I'd try it out, but it said 'non-renewable' or something to that extent... |
01:52 |
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rangi |
im gonna be forced to point you at the manual :) |
01:53 |
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* bencahill |
RTFM |
01:53 |
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rangi |
ill find you the section |
01:53 |
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bencahill |
why thank you :P |
01:53 |
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rangi |
its the circulation rules that determine it |
01:53 |
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bencahill |
oh oh... |
01:53 |
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bencahill |
lemme look... |
01:53 |
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* bencahill |
waits for slow server |
01:53 |
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rangi |
http://koha-community.org/docu[…]027#circfinerules |
01:55 |
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bencahill |
hmm, 'Renewals Allowed' is currently set to 2, but I couldn't renew even once :-/ |
01:55 |
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bencahill |
nvm, it used to be 0 |
01:55 |
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bencahill |
:P |
01:56 |
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bencahill |
(communication error) |
01:57 |
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bencahill |
that'll be all, thanks a bunch rangi & eythian :) |
01:57 |
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eythian |
sweet as |
01:57 |
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bencahill |
:) |
01:57 |
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bencahill |
now to research an RDP protocol error... |
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sijobl |
that is cool |
02:12 |
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sijobl |
oops |
02:12 |
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sijobl |
hah |
02:12 |
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rangi |
:) |
02:16 |
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rangi |
http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/[…]ity-fuels-ad.html |
02:16 |
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rangi |
I liked this bit |
02:17 |
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pastebot |
"rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "The point of this story is tha" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/41 |
02:19 |
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rangi |
i wish the company that kept comparing themselves to redhat, actually acted more like redhat ;) |
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02:34 |
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Brooke |
kia ora |
02:35 |
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rangi |
hiya Brooke |
02:35 |
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Brooke |
:D |
02:36 |
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druthb |
hi, Brooke. :) |
02:36 |
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Brooke |
;) |
02:37 |
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Space_Librarian |
hey Brooke |
02:37 |
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Brooke |
<3 |
02:51 |
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wizzyrea_away |
Space_Librarian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH1ahItTWak (ala dramatic chipmunk) |
02:53 |
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Brooke |
dun dun DUN |
02:53 |
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Space_Librarian |
oh dear gawd... |
02:53 |
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eythian |
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29324700 <-- politeness in Perl development |
02:53 |
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eythian |
(and Klingon) |
02:53 |
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rangi |
andy lester did a good blog post about that subject actually |
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03:19 |
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ibeardslee |
ls |
03:19 |
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ibeardslee |
sigh |
03:25 |
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eythian |
./ |
03:25 |
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eythian |
../ |
03:25 |
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eythian |
horse_porn/ |
03:25 |
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wizzy_home |
! |
03:26 |
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Brooke |
sheep pr0n>horse pr0n. |
03:26 |
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eythian |
I was just giving him what I'm sure he sees when he does an ls in the right window. |
03:27 |
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Brooke |
fencing>sheep pr0n. |
03:27 |
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Brooke |
heheeh |
03:27 |
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* Brooke |
highfives eythian. |
03:27 |
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wizzy_home |
dammit I always miss the fun stuff |
03:31 |
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Space_Librarian |
hehe |
03:32 |
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ibeardslee |
eythian: not my window |
03:32 |
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eythian |
sure sure |
03:32 |
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ibeardslee |
I have my shells windows on the left |
03:33 |
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Brooke |
now now, we can't all have comely Dutch lasses. |
03:33 |
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* ibeardslee |
declines to comment |
03:33 |
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* wizzy_home |
giggles |
03:33 |
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eythian |
http://www.flickr.com/photos/p[…]ssive/5704357882/ <-- printing this message took more energy still |
03:34 |
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Brooke |
really, nuffin from druthb? |
03:34 |
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* Brooke |
mumbles about the perfect setup being overlooked. |
03:35 |
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* Brooke |
giggles. |
03:35 |
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druthb |
lol |
03:35 |
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Brooke |
ah how many competent GE secretaries did I swipe. |
03:36 |
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Brooke |
dude that photostream is the bomb. |
03:36 |
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wizzy_home |
it's quite funny |
03:39 |
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Brooke |
oh this is bad |
03:39 |
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Brooke |
I'm trying not to laugh the neighbours awake. |
03:40 |
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Brooke |
http://www.flickr.com/photos/p[…]6/in/photostream/ |
03:41 |
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wizzy_home |
LOL |
03:42 |
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* druthb |
giggles. |
03:42 |
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Brooke |
Robin wins the how to amuse an ijiot for hours contest. |
03:42 |
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wizzy_home |
eythian++ |
03:42 |
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eythian |
heh |
03:42 |
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Brooke |
This was sorely needed after the testosterone induced bellguard bumping with Mike. |
03:43 |
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wizzy_home |
dyac is another great one for belly laughs. |
03:45 |
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ibeardslee |
the guy in the desk next to me ends up in tears |
03:48 |
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wizzy_home |
at dyac? |
03:48 |
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eythian |
no, because he sits next to ibeardslee |
03:48 |
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* wizzy_home |
grumbles |
03:48 |
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ibeardslee |
wizzy_home: yes eythian: g<tab> |
03:49 |
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eythian |
heh |
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03:53 |
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Brooke |
ls catalyst |
03:57 |
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Space_Librarian |
mmmbyes? |
03:58 |
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* Brooke |
is gonna hyperventilate and pass out |
04:00 |
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Brooke |
thank you sir, for I now know just what to cut LRTS with to maintain mah sanitay. |
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Brooke |
0/ |
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Brooke |
:) |
05:10 |
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cait |
good morning #koha :) |
05:10 |
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cait |
hi Brooke :) |
05:11 |
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Space_Librarian |
morning cait |
05:11 |
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cait |
evening Space_Librarian :) |
05:12 |
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Space_Librarian |
:) |
05:13 |
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Brooke |
one big smiley family. |
05:13 |
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Brooke |
ohana to whanau |
05:13 |
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Brooke |
freggin southerners and yer drawl ;) |
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05:27 |
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cait |
have I scared her away? |
05:28 |
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eythian |
yes |
05:30 |
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cait |
:P |
05:31 |
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eythian |
you asked |
05:32 |
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cait |
how is the migration? |
05:32 |
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eythian |
making progress. Currently working on extracting the vendor list from liberty in as sensible fashion as I can. |
05:34 |
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cait |
ah liberty again |
05:34 |
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eythian |
I also note that the 'accountnumber' field is in the database, but not exposed on the UI. Curious. |
05:34 |
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cait |
koha? |
05:34 |
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wahanui |
i think koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info |
05:34 |
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cait |
yes |
05:34 |
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cait |
the bookseller table is strange |
05:34 |
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eythian |
yeah |
05:34 |
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cait |
there are lots of fields not shown anywhere |
05:35 |
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cait |
address is weird too |
05:35 |
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cait |
I think we put all in one field |
05:35 |
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eythian |
no, we split it up and take the first 4 lines, and put those into 4 fields. |
05:35 |
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eythian |
It's still pretty weird. |
05:35 |
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cait |
hm ok, my good mood after waking up is fading, killed my apache configuration |
05:36 |
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eythian |
oops |
05:36 |
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cait |
eythian: it is |
05:38 |
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eythian |
bookselleremail is also not shown in the ui. That's a bit silly |
05:38 |
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eythian |
and yet there's two separate fax fields. |
05:38 |
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cait |
hm we have an email field |
05:38 |
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cait |
shown |
05:39 |
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eythian |
cait: yeah, that's contemail |
05:39 |
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eythian |
wahanui: fax? |
05:39 |
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wahanui |
bugger all, i dunno, eythian |
05:39 |
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cait |
! |
05:39 |
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eythian |
wahanui: fax is <reply>No, \I ain't got a fax machine! \I also ain't got an Apple IIc, polio, or a falcon! |
05:39 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
05:39 |
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eythian |
wahanui: fax |
05:39 |
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wahanui |
No, I ain't got a fax machine! I also ain't got an Apple IIc, polio, or a falcon! |
05:41 |
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cait |
you have bad influence und poor wahanui |
05:42 |
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eythian |
wahanui: eythian is a good influence |
05:42 |
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wahanui |
...but eythian is in NZ. ;)... |
05:42 |
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eythian |
wahanui: eythian is also a good influence |
05:42 |
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wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
05:42 |
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eythian |
solved! |
05:43 |
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cait |
oh my |
05:43 |
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cait |
botsnack wahanui cookie |
05:43 |
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cait |
wahanui botsnack cookie |
05:43 |
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wahanui |
thanks cait :) |
05:44 |
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cait |
eythian: can message_queue table only be used for emails to patrons? |
05:44 |
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cait |
I was thinking about putting acquisition order mails in there |
05:44 |
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eythian |
I don't know for sure, but I suspect so, as I think it uses the borrower number to look up the email address |
05:45 |
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cait |
hm |
05:45 |
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cait |
and providing it a from address? |
05:45 |
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eythian |
but it would pay to see if you can give it an email address, and if so what it does |
05:45 |
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eythian |
dunno, haven't looked into it in depth |
05:45 |
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cait |
do you think it's a good idea to put other mails in there? |
05:45 |
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cait |
I like the idea because it would make it possible to track what you have sent out and when |
05:46 |
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cait |
but still not sure :) |
05:47 |
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eythian |
yes, because it also allows you to log and control email centrally, which is quite handy |
05:48 |
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cait |
hm ok |
05:48 |
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cait |
there might be a reason why you want to make acq mails go out fast, but I think you could just make the cronjob run more often |
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eythian |
yeah, I don't think the 10-15 minute thing is going to be a problem for that |
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cait |
hm |
05:57 |
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cait |
looks like it only uses the borrowernumber if you don't have a to adress in the table :) |
05:57 |
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eythian |
ah, that's good |
05:58 |
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eythian |
hmm, there's not two fax numbers here, there's three. That's just ridiculous. |
05:58 |
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cait |
if I am reading that correctly... |
05:58 |
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cait |
lol |
05:58 |
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eythian |
heh, and every one of them is a different data type |
05:58 |
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cait |
yes... |
05:58 |
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cait |
borrowers is the same |
05:58 |
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eythian |
yeah |
05:58 |
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cait |
I tried to clean that up but got stuck and went on to other projects... |
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eythian |
oh, and the 'active' field is set twice, fortunately from the same source. |
06:01 |
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eythian |
hi ronald |
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cait |
hi ronald |
06:02 |
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eythian |
I think I'm going to go home and finish this tomorrow. |
06:03 |
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eythian |
bye all |
06:03 |
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cait |
have a nice evening :) |
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alex_a |
hi #koha |
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paul_p |
hello world |
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julian |
hi #koha! |
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rangi |
hi europe |
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mihafan |
hello |
07:49 |
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mihafan |
Description of problem: On local machine is installed windows server 2003 with configured active director. I installed Debian on another machine, here I installed Koha 3.2 which still works well. Koha have configured to use a active directory ldap server. I test this ldap server with Softerra LDAP Browser and it works |
07:49 |
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mihafan |
koha-conf.xml contents: <yazgfs> .............. <config> .......................... <memcached_servers></ memcached_servers> <memcached_namespace></memcached_namespace> <useldapserver>1</useldapserver> <ldapserver id="ldapserver"> <hostname>192.168.11.90:389</hostname> <base>dc=koha,dc=local</base> <user>cn=Administrator,cn=Users,dc=koha,dc=md |
07:49 |
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mihafan |
<firstname is="givenName" ></firstname> <surname is="sn" ></surname> <address is="postalAddress" ></address> <city is="l" ></city> <branchcode is="" >MAIN</branchcode> <userid is="sAMAccountName" >Administrator</userid> <password is="userPassword" ></passwor |
07:50 |
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mihafan |
When I try to log in OPAC module, I give a error "Invalid username or password"!!! |
07:51 |
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rangi |
that user doesn't look right to me |
07:52 |
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rangi |
you have the base info in the user bit |
07:52 |
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rangi |
it needs to be a valid user |
07:53 |
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rangi |
also when you want to paste, use paste.koha-community.org |
07:54 |
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pastebot |
"mihafan" at 93.116.255.218 pasted "Description of problem: On loc" (47 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/42 |
07:54 |
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rangi |
yeah like i said, the user looks wrong to me |
07:54 |
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rangi |
it should be something like |
07:55 |
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rangi |
<user>Administratorkoha.local</user> |
07:55 |
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rangi |
(at a guess) |
07:55 |
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rangi |
try with ldapsearch on the debian machine |
07:59 |
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mihafan |
how to search in ldap server from debian? |
07:59 |
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mihafan |
must be install a ldap client on debian? |
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rangi |
sudo apt-get install ldap-utils |
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08:01 |
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rangi |
you dont have to have one, but its easier to test with one, but i think the main problem is your user is invalid |
08:01 |
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rangi |
not really a koha problem, as Koha just uses Net::LDAP so maybe read the man pages for that |
08:02 |
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mihafan |
I think the problem is the file to be made ​​when comparing passwords Auth_with_ldap |
08:02 |
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rangi |
could be, are your passwords encrypted? |
08:03 |
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mihafan |
not |
08:03 |
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mihafan |
is plain |
08:03 |
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rangi |
stored in plain text in active directory? |
08:03 |
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mihafan |
yes |
08:03 |
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rangi |
in that case, it wont be the comparison, its more likely the user you are trying to connect with is invalid |
08:04 |
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rangi |
ie, the user you have in <user></user> |
08:04 |
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mihafan |
Yes |
08:05 |
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mihafan |
I test a ldap server with same credentials and it works |
08:05 |
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mihafan |
cn=Administrator,cn=Users,dc=koha,dc=local password: Q1W2e3r4 |
08:08 |
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mihafan |
I long ago set up so only the administrator login but other users are not logged in, appear the error "Unatorized user" |
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yes, but tahts not how you specify it in the config file |
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rangi |
it uses the base |
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rangi |
to construct that |
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rangi |
you'll have to experiment with it yourself, im out of advice |
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mihafan |
yes I use the base |
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problem is not file Auth_with_ldap?? |
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hi #koha |
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when I create another user in active directory and fill in Koha-conf, this error still occurs |
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mihafan |
"invalid username or password" |
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mihafan |
rangi? |
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wahanui |
i guess rangi is a proud MÄori whose sense of humour matches his prowess in coding. |
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hdl: around? |
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hdl |
yes. |
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kf |
did you have a change to look at the subscription pattern? |
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hdl |
kf: that would change.... |
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hdl |
indeed. |
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kf |
chance sorry |
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hdl |
kf: no problem. |
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hdl |
I had some work at home yesterday night... But could not work on that. Will test and send you before the regular meeting |
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hdl |
(which is tomorrow) |
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thx |
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Does anyone know what is causing this error "Bad arg length for Socket::pack_sockaddr_in, length is 0, should be 4 at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/Socket.pm line 214." |
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o/ |
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rangi |
hey druthb |
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druthb |
saw your tweet about the NZ National Archives, rangi. That's very cool! |
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rangi |
UK |
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rangi |
which is even cooler imho |
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druthb |
oh! musta mis-read (too darn early in the AM...) |
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druthb |
It is very awesome. |
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yup |
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hi druthb :) |
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hi, kf. :) |
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good morning |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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paul_p |
hi oleonard |
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kf |
ok, I have 2 installations, in one it's workingi n the other not - so I suspect configuration |
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kf |
when a reserved book is returned, I get a message but no option to print the slip |
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kf |
anyone an idea which switch that could be? |
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oleonard |
kf, I don't see any switch in the template that would turn off the print slip button |
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oleonard |
Do you have any custom CSS hiding things? |
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jcamins |
Good morning, #koha. |
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kf |
no |
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oleonard: it's weird |
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it says the item is reserved on check-in but no buttons for printing the slip and confirming the hold |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
I have only one brnach |
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kf |
but it says: Hold at Seminar Stuttgart |
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owen: you might be right |
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kf |
I see the buttons in the source code of the page |
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oleonard |
Tricky |
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kf |
thx :) |
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$("input[name='exemptfine']").parent().remove(); |
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hmpf |
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oleonard |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=15689 |
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That's very cool news, oleonard. |
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wizzyrea |
yea, grats to colin and pals |
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finds this trend of Koha in government interesting |
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rhcl |
@seen gmcharlt |
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huginn |
rhcl: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 23 hours, 15 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> :) |
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rhcl |
Hey, we just got a bookcrossing book back from 2002. Might be amusing to have a Koha function to track these books. |
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idly wonders if they have an api |
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wizzyrea |
looks like not |
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nengard |
need me some sys pref help |
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nengard |
CircControl and HomeOrHoldingBranch have the same descriptions ... |
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nengard |
and then there is HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn |
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nengard |
what does HomeOrHoldingBranch do? |
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nengard |
and i the manual correct when I say it's linked to IndependantBranches |
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has always been confused by that |
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wizzyrea |
but I know that it has something to do with the way the rules are applied for circulation, and what happens when books are returned |
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nengard |
that much is clear, paul_p was this a Biblibre addition? |
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nengard |
all three have to do with circ rules and checking in and out ... just not sure which does what |
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nengard |
there is at least one bug to report here though ... CircControl and HomeOrHoldingBranch have the same descriptions |
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nengard |
they can't both do the same thing ... or if they do then we don't need two prefs : |
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nengard |
:) |
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jcamins |
I think that one of them is supposed to be eliminated, but wasn't yet. |
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wizzyrea |
HomeOrHolding was going away in favor of CircControl |
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wizzyrea |
but there's a bug on deprecating it |
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wizzyrea |
and I believe there was objection |
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* paul_p |
reading |
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paul_p |
(hello USA !) |
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wizzyrea |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ding&list_id=5333 |
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paul_p |
mmm... sorry, I won't be able to help you, it's not clear for me too |
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nengard |
wizzyrea, okay, that's confusing |
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nengard |
gonna put this to the dev list I guess |
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wizzyrea |
I didn't say you'd like the answer ;) |
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* paul_p |
looking to french descriptions of those sysprefs to see if it helps... |
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paul_p |
same description too, it doesn't help... |
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slef |
bug 5333 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Undefined value stops import from z39.50 |
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hdl |
nengard: HomeOrHoldingBranch is there to tell which of the two fields of items homebranch or holdingbranch is to be considered in circulation. |
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nengard |
then what is circcontrol? |
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nengard |
like i said they have the same description |
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nengard |
? |
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conan |
the irc meeting... is tomorrow? |
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wizzyrea |
yep |
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waves |
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wizzyrea |
hi Oak :) |
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Oak |
hiya wizzyrea :) |
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hdl |
Circcontrol is here to say which branch from user, library or item to consider. |
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Oak |
that rhymes |
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hdl |
nengard: maybe circcontrol should also get into details : saying items.holdingbranch Or items.homebranch |
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hdl |
It was not designed that way. |
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proposes that all syspref descriptions should be done in verse |
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hdl |
Most of american libraries consider homebranch as the item related information. |
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wizzyrea |
(teasing) |
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nengard |
so if i have circontrol set to 'the library the item is from' and homeorholdingbranch set to 'the library the item was checked out from' what happens |
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nengard |
what rules are followed |
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hdl |
But French are not. |
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* conan |
finally discovered how to import from isismarc into koha |
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hdl |
It is the system preference description which is not really good. |
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hdl |
circontrol set to the items branch. And then you would choose homebranch or holdingbranch |
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hdl |
In your case the real rule followed is : the library the item was checked out from |
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nengard |
hdl, i'm sorry i'm still very confused |
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hdl |
nengard: in the case of Circcontrol, you have the choice between "3 tables" : issues (or C4::Context-userenv) borrowers, items. |
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hdl |
It is that level of choice. |
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hdl |
for CircControl |
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wizzyrea |
so you can circ with rules based on issuing library, borrower's homebranch, or the item's home branch |
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wizzyrea |
with CircControl |
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hdl |
HomeOrHoldingBranch is to decide whether it is items' homebranch or items' holding branch |
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wizzyrea |
so only items |
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hdl |
i.e. the library rule where the item last was. |
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wizzyrea |
and nothing to do with borrowers or logged in branch |
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hdl |
No. |
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hdl |
only items... |
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wizzyrea |
oh, only the current location |
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wizzyrea |
(holding branch) |
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hdl |
holding branch is the library which latest had the book. |
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wizzyrea |
right |
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wizzyrea |
(where it is now) |
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hdl |
well... where it is supposed to be now... The library which has it. |
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hdl |
The inner behaviour for an item is different depending on the HomeOrHoldingBranch or PickupLibrary |
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hdl |
PickupLibrary only impacts issuingrule. |
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hdl |
when HomeOrHoldingBranch set to HoldingBranch, it changes the holdingbranch when a borrower returns a book to another library, not the homebranch. |
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hdl |
Because in a network, it is important to keep track of the library who OWNS the item, and the library who HOLDS the item. |
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wizzyrea |
the application of this is that you can have floating items, items that were checked out from their home branch, but returned at another branch |
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* conan |
notices meeting will be at 23 hs today for him |
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wizzyrea |
home or holding return decides whether, when an item is returned, it is held at the holding branch or force returned to the home branch |
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wizzyrea |
I think |
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wizzyrea |
that |
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one is one that I've had to futz with lately |
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hdl |
wizzyrea nengard does that make more sense now ? |
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wizzyrea |
I think so? |
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wizzyrea |
the basic idea I got |
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wizzyrea |
CircControl = rules based on one of item homebranch, patron homebranch, or logged in user branch |
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wizzyrea |
HomeOrHolding = rules based only on items (possibly to be deprecated) |
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wizzyrea |
HomeOrHoldingReturn = defines what happens to an item returned at a branch other than it's home |
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wizzyrea |
anywhere close to reality? |
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kf |
oleonard++ late thx for the jquery/css hint :) |
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hdl |
wizzyrea : quite close... But I know Of HomeOrHoldingBranch and HomeOrHoldingBranchReserves but not of HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn. |
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wizzyrea |
HOHR is under local use atm |
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wizzyrea |
it's new-ish |
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wizzyrea |
funny, because I didn't know about HomeOrHoldingBranchReserves |
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sekjal |
HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn is currently incompatible with IndependantBranches |
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sekjal |
I've got a fix for it that I need to wrap up and push |
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@later tell kf INSERT INTO `subscription` VALUES (3,4,'demo','2011-02-10',1,NULL,NULL,0,24,0,6,NULL,'{X} - {Y}','','1',1,6,9999999,0,2012,1,1,9999,1,219,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,'2011-05-31',0,'','',7,NULL,'','','GEN','IPT',1,NULL,0,'','',0,'2013-02-10'); here is what you asked for. |
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huginn |
hdl: The operation succeeded. |
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hdl |
@later tell kf it worked for me you can test on koha.master.testing.biblibre.com |
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huginn |
hdl: The operation succeeded. |
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nengard |
wizzyrea HOHR was pushed to 3.4 last week i think by chris_n |
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nengard |
where R=Return |
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wizzyrea |
:) I gathered |
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* wizzyrea |
finds that odd |
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wizzyrea |
since I've had it for a copule months at least |
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(affecting stuff, no less) |
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wizzyrea |
maybe it was moved from localuse to it's proper place? |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: it was missing from the .pref file, so it was in local use. |
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wizzyrea |
gotcha |
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nengard |
maybe - the push did say moved HOHR to .pref file |
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nengard |
or some such thing |
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wizzyrea |
AHA |
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nengard |
like jcamins said |
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wizzyrea |
there you have it |
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conan |
is there an open source marc generator that takes input from a printed marc file? |
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conan |
somehow MarcEdit works well for 1000 records and below, but it cracks when you feed it with more records |
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wizzyrea |
sekjal++ |
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nengard |
conan, i've done well over 50000 before with no prob |
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sekjal |
wizzyrea: waz tha for? |
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wizzyrea |
fixing the lowercase tobranches ;) |
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wizzyrea |
hi margo |
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margo |
good morning-ish |
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wizzyrea |
it's 'time-of-the-day' in #koha :) |
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margo |
lol |
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nengard |
hiya margo |
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margo |
hey nengard |
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margo |
is the 3.4 manual searchable yet? |
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conan |
nengard: you got accents problems? |
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nengard |
working on it .... |
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nengard |
conan - what problem? |
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margo |
ok |
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conan |
well, we found problems when importing from isismarc into koha because the accents were not importing ok, so now we're trying a workaround by doing a print to a file in isismarc and then loading that printout into MarcEdit to compile a proper .mrc |
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conan |
we tried 1 record and went fine |
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conan |
we tried 1000 records, also fine |
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conan |
we tried all DB which is >14000 and suddenly all accents dissapeared |
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conan |
can bits get exhausted? :P |
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nengard |
i'm not sure that i had that issue ... |
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nengard |
cant remember |
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conan |
but you have accents in your records? |
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they weren't my records so i don't know for sure what was in there |
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rhcl |
My googler is broke. Can anyone give me a frame of reference for using "REST" for a database connection? |
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druthb |
nothing much magic about REST, rhcl. It's just a fancy sort of URL, and not *very* fancy, at that. |
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druthb |
The programmer sets things up so the program answers to URLS like http://site.org/search/<searchstring>...not *that* dissimilar from what Koha does now, really. |
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rhcl |
I can't find any documentation--it's probably all buried in search results like "database connection for the rest of us". |
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jcamins |
rhcl: druthb has described the complete definition of REST, I think. |
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druthb |
Here's a basic reader that might help: http://rest.elkstein.org/ |
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rhcl |
hey, that looks like a good link! druthb++ |
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* druthb |
blushes. |
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cait |
to lazy to read back - why are you talking about rest? |
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druthb |
Thanx. |
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cait |
;) |
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* druthb |
points at rhcl. "Greg asked." |
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jcamins |
cait: we're all tired. ;) |
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cait |
ah |
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cait |
I thought there was a rest api for biblios - not sure it's still there |
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rhcl |
Kyle Hall indicates that he will be using ReST for the new Libki client/server to communicate with the Koha db. |
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jcamins |
cait: see my RefWorks export example. |
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cait |
ah |
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jcamins |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]orks_link_to_OPAC |
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* jcamins |
is *very* proud of that one. |
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cait |
wow |
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cait |
lots of code |
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druthb |
REST makes a lot of sense, and is lightweight and (relatively) easy to program. I'd love to see more Koha things accessible via REST structures. |
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hi #koha |
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* druthb |
waves to schuster |
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schuster |
heyo! |
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hiho |
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sekjal++ |
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sekjal++ |
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@karma sekjal |
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sekjal: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 94 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 93. |
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@karma druthb |
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be switched; I'm still ahead of him. Just. |
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brb, all |
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waves to mari_marvel |
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@karma brendan |
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brendan++ #whether he wants it or not! |
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hehe |
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0kk |
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oleonard |
? |
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skushner |
set color to white |
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oleonard |
Okay... |
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skushner |
invisible ink |
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oleonard |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]g/koha/2011-05-10 |
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wizzyrea |
anyone care to share with me their dev workflow? I'm still working mine out and my mental map needs filling in |
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oleonard |
1. Dev. 2. ??? 3. Profit. |
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waves to skushner. |
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wizzyrea |
I think it's 2 that I'm working out ;) |
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oleonard |
What do you think is lacking? |
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wizzyrea |
well, when you're doing an improvement, lets just say |
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wizzyrea |
well for example |
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wizzyrea |
this attach items thing I'm working on. It's done, but I'm not sure the best way to go about submitting it? I know that sounds a little crazy. |
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mib_aufos3 |
Hi, I will to transport my library from localhost to web space. What can I do? |
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hi ruth |
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aogle |
mib_aufos3, either open up your firewall, let the world in. Or get some hosting somewhere. |
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aogle |
eh, nvm :-| |
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@seen gmcharlt |
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rhcl: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 5 hours, 10 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> :) |
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huginn |
New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6323] Attach/move items -- error handling cleanup <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6323> |
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rangi |
morning |
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wizzyrea |
mornin |
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rhcl |
afternoon |
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evenin' |
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rangi |
heh |
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rangi |
skushner and rhcl, you guys hanging round for the meeting today? |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6295 - misaligned columns in opac suggestions list <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]18e5a1fa530140851> / Bug 6308 - Show number of comments - new patch <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9247023bd818b17b9> |
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jcamins |
Good night, #koha. |
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skushner |
when is the meeting? |
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rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_11_May_2011 |
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rangi |
has a link to a time converter there |
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skushner |
don't think so, sry |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6284, Reports Filters Need Prettying <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]30d79acb52b92a8f4> / Bug 6320 Generate Next button doesn't generate next issue <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]11adb3e08d4747923> |
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Space_Librarian |
morning #koha |
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wizzyrea |
mornin Space_Librarian |
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* Space_Librarian |
waves |
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rhcl |
rangi: meeting today? The one tomorrow (for us) I presume you mean? |
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rangi |
whats the time there now? |
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rhcl |
Yes, I should be there, but will be in a manager's meeting. I'll monitor with my laptop. |
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rangi |
its at 2utc today |
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rangi |
so in 4.5 hours |
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rhcl |
I am confusted so. |
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skushner |
yesh |
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rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_11_May_2011 |
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rhcl |
OK, so there's an irc meeting in 4.5 hours. I'll be there. |
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rangi |
cool |
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* wizzyrea |
to, assuming I can get kiddo in bed :) |
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wizzyrea |
too* even |
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rhcl |
yea, I was on the link, and I said 9:00 am for the converter. But I got it now. |
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rhcl |
Oh, maybe one of us was off 12 hours. |
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rhcl |
9:00pm? 9:00pm? Hey wizzyrea, does All Stars have wireless internet? |
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* wizzyrea |
considers... |
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wizzyrea |
why exactly would you want wifi at a nudie bar? |
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rhcl |
NUDIE BAR? Where? |
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wizzyrea |
sorry, refined sports bar place with scantily clad waitresses who happen to dance jugs. |
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wizzyrea |
jigs |
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wizzyrea |
(lol) |
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bg |
heh |
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rhcl |
Well, we can sit in the back and drink coffee and Mibbit IRC. |
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* bg |
giggles watching that exchange |
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joethoks |
so... 4.5 hours from now? |
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bg |
at the nudie_bar yes |
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rhcl |
yep. Our 9:00pm |
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* wizzyrea |
is amazed no one caught that rather hilarious typo |
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joethoks |
I will be listening to Lucinda Williams |
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rhcl |
I did |
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joethoks |
oh yes, hilarious |
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joethoks |
YAWN |
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wizzyrea |
i almost fell over. |
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* wizzyrea |
sighs at joethoks |
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wizzyrea |
aren't you in OKLAHOMA now? |
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joethoks |
Hold on to your pole |
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wizzyrea |
ks. psh. |
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rhcl |
well, at least we see what got bg to speak up :) |
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bg |
heh - damn keyword alerts ;) |
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joethoks |
Yes, Tulsa, where Lucinda Williams is too. Probably about to do a sound check about now |
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rhcl |
hehe |
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rhcl |
who is Lucinda Williams? |
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joethoks |
WHAT???? |
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rhcl |
who is Lucinda Williams? |
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joethoks |
that is like saying Who is ELVIS |
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rhcl |
who is Elvis? |
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joethoks |
ha ha ha |
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joethoks |
well played |
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joethoks |
alas, afk |
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rhcl |
Hey, I don't get out much, except to places that apparently other people don't go to, and where the performers have one-name names |
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joethoks |
Mercedes |
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joethoks |
Tuesday |
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joethoks |
Cloud |
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joethoks |
know em? |
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joethoks |
whoops, afk |
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rhcl |
Huh, not those. |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #244: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/244/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Magnus Enger: Bug 6308 - Show number of comments - new patch |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6295 - misaligned columns in opac suggestions list |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6308 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Show number of comments on the "Comments" tab in OPAC |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6295 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , misaligned columns in opac suggestions list |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build 245 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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margo |
goodnight #koha |
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wizzyrea |
back later :) |
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New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6325] Bib detail - z39.50 button functionality should be under "Edit" menu. <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6325> |
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* Frédéric Demians: Bug 6320 Generate Next button doesn't generate next issue |
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* Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6284, Reports Filters Need Prettying |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6320 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Generate Next button doesn't generate next issue |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6284 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Reports Filters Need Prettying |
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eythian |
wahanui: cat is http://www.nyan.cat/ |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
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@wunder 93109 |
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bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.8�C (4:58 PM PDT on May 10, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until midnight PDT tonight... |
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sorry. sorting out my android irc |
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