IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-11

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00:20 druthb o/
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00:40 gp5st hello. Is there a fast way to add books by barcode to batchs for labels to be printed? I know i can go to a batch, click add, click barcode, then add the books one by one.  I was looking for a way to more or less scan, have it add, and come back to the search by barcode page
00:43 gp5st sorry: use case: i need to print a lot of spine labels
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01:10 wizzyrea_away is now known as wizzyrea
01:11 druthb hi, wizzyrea.  :)
01:11 wizzyrea gp5st: that functionality is in 3.4
01:11 wizzyrea hi :)
01:11 wizzyrea one of my fav features actually
01:11 gp5st ah
01:11 gp5st i'm still on 3.0.x i think
01:11 wizzyrea dare I ask what version you are running?
01:11 wizzyrea about -> koha
01:12 gp5st i'll have to upgrade this computer nextweek
01:12 wizzyrea rather more -> about, sorry
01:12 wizzyrea lol
01:12 wizzyrea oh hey! bip worked right!
01:12 gp5st
01:12 wizzyrea ha!
01:12 wizzyrea oh yea, that's pre 3.2
01:12 wizzyrea you really ought to update :)
01:13 gp5st i'm still running ubuntu 9.04 on this thing. :-\
01:13 gp5st i havn't had time to play with it for almost a year
01:13 wizzyrea never too late to get back into it ;)
01:13 gp5st next week I'm going to come in with a flash drive, back everything up
01:13 gp5st and just update everything
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01:13 gp5st wizzyrea, yeah:)
01:13 gp5st i do like koha though
01:13 pianohacker hola
01:13 gp5st fwiw this version seems nice
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01:14 druthb hi, pianohacker!
01:14 gp5st and well designed, so i am looking forward to the updates:)
01:14 pianohacker hey there, druthb
01:14 pianohacker How's it going?
01:15 druthb chugging along...adding new libraries to the Koha Revolution left and right.
01:15 bg druthb++
01:15 bg :)
01:15 wizzyrea gp5st: aw that's a very nice thing to say
01:15 bg heya pianohacker
01:15 wahanui pianohacker is our favorite boy genius
01:15 pianohacker very complimentary bot
01:15 pianohacker hi bg
01:15 wizzyrea he's taught well ;)
01:16 pianohacker lol
01:16 druthb bg++   #best boss evar! for paying me good money to get to do what I love.
01:16 pianohacker okay, bg = brendan_
01:16 druthb that would be the boss, yes.  International Man of Mystery.
01:16 bg ah now it's just bg
01:16 wizzyrea wahanui, pianohacker is also the genius who gave us our awesome ajax pref panel
01:16 wahanui wizzyrea: bugger all, i dunno
01:16 bg wishes /me could have brendan back but oh well
01:17 wizzyrea member:pianohacker is also the genius who gave us our awesome ajax pref panel
01:17 wizzyrea humbug
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01:17 wizzyrea pianohacker is also the genius who gave us our awesome ajax pref panel
01:17 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
01:17 wizzyrea there we go
01:17 wizzyrea pianohacker?
01:17 wahanui pianohacker is our favorite boy genius or the genius who gave us our awesome ajax pref panel
01:17 druthb wizzyrea?
01:17 wahanui wizzyrea is probably a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet
01:17 druthb kicks wahanui.
01:17 pianohacker I like this bot
01:17 wizzyrea more a poet :P
01:17 druthb Probably, nothin'.
01:17 wizzyrea druthb?
01:18 wizzyrea !!!
01:18 wizzyrea how can that be
01:18 * druthb wiggles her eyebrows.
01:18 * wizzyrea plots
01:18 druthb you and Brooke...
01:18 druthb Brooke?
01:18 wahanui somebody said Brooke was so 'leet or so sweet
01:18 druthb kf?
01:18 wahanui kf is, like, cait or really, really sweet
01:18 druthb cait?
01:18 wahanui cait is kf or a programmer
01:19 druthb bg?
01:19 wahanui i heard bg was awesome!
01:19 pianohacker haha
01:19 druthb bg is also the BEST BOSS EVAR!
01:19 wahanui okay, druthb.
01:19 pianohacker at least he isn't recursive
01:19 druthb hehehehe
01:19 bg bg?
01:19 wahanui somebody said bg was awesome! or the BEST BOSS EVAR!
01:19 bg heh
01:20 wizzyrea yay it's fun with bots hour in #koha!
01:20 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks
01:20 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 28.4�C (8:23 PM CDT on May 10, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Steady).
01:20 druthb what I can't figure out, is how I managed to get ahead of sekjal in karma....
01:20 druthb @karma pianohacker
01:20 huginn druthb: Karma for "pianohacker" has been increased 32 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 32.
01:20 druthb oh, my...   that's too low!
01:20 jcamins_away I thought there was a meeting now?
01:20 wizzyrea oh there is no way that is right :P
01:20 druthb pianohacker++
01:20 wizzyrea it's in about 40 mins
01:21 jcamins_away Oh.
01:21 jcamins_away Right.
01:21 jcamins_away @karma druthb
01:21 huginn jcamins_away: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 95 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 95.
01:21 jcamins_away @karma sekjal
01:21 huginn jcamins_away: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 95 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 94.
01:21 gp5st well i should get going
01:21 jcamins_away sekjal++ # that must've been a mistake.
01:21 gp5st thanks and you all have a nice night
01:21 druthb dead heat, again.
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01:21 pianohacker druthb--
01:21 pianohacker :)
01:21 wizzyrea sure, good luck with your upgrade
01:21 wizzyrea oof
01:21 druthb ouchie!
01:21 jcamins_away druthb++ # just to make it fair
01:22 * druthb gives pianohacker an ebil eye.
01:22 jcamins_away @karma jcamins
01:22 huginn jcamins_away: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 79 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 78.
01:22 jcamins_away @karma jcamins_away
01:22 huginn jcamins_away: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3.
01:22 jcamins_away @karma jcamins_a
01:22 huginn jcamins_away: Karma for "jcamins_a" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
01:22 jcamins_away Heh.
01:22 druthb pickin' on old ladies...sheesh.  The youth of today...
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01:22 wizzyrea @karma wizzyrea
01:22 huginn wizzyrea: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 172 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 172.
01:22 wizzyrea whoa
01:22 pianohacker Hey, I only harass people I like
01:22 pianohacker O_o
01:22 druthb jcamins, gmcharlt can merge those for ya.
01:23 pianohacker @karma chris
01:23 huginn pianohacker: Karma for "chris" has been increased 0 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 0.
01:23 pianohacker ohhh right
01:23 jcamins_away @karma rangi
01:23 huginn jcamins_away: Karma for "rangi" has been increased 315 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 312.
01:23 * pianohacker bows
01:23 * jcamins_away creates a map
01:24 druthb got jwagner's goat real good when I changed nicks.  she thought I'd have to start over, but gmcharlt fixed it.  :)  Got to hear lotsa grumblin.
01:25 * jcamins_away _tries_ to create a map.
01:25 jcamins_away Jeez, in one year I have completely forgotten how to use ArcGIS.
01:25 pianohacker Oh dear. The person across from me at the USGS deals with that massive beast of a program a lot
01:27 jcamins_away I might use GRASS or the other open source one -- or even just R -- but since I get a free copy, I might as well poke^H^H^H^Hstab it repeatedly until I get bored.
01:29 pianohacker What are you working on?
01:29 * jcamins_away installs Google Earth.
01:29 jcamins_away Ooh, there's a Mac version?
01:30 wizzyrea *nod*
01:30 wizzyrea speaking of mac versions
01:30 wizzyrea mac skype = big security hole apparently
01:30 jcamins_away pianohacker: I'm plotting my eventual mapping of booksellers in Saint Petersburg during the reign of Nicholas II.
01:31 pianohacker mac and video chat seem to dislike each other
01:31 wizzyrea ?!
01:31 pianohacker jcamins_away: Wow. You sir are a humanities student
01:31 pianohacker facetime security bug?
01:31 * wizzyrea has never had that experience
01:31 wizzyrea oo, I did not realize
01:31 wizzyrea i odn't use facetime
01:31 jcamins_away All hail our Googlean overlords.
01:31 pianohacker I think it's been fixed, but it was apparently a big deal
01:32 wizzyrea aha
01:32 * jcamins_away really should be doing something more useful, but he just finished his paper, and maps are pretty.
01:32 wizzyrea you sir, are the best sort of geek.
01:32 pianohacker maps++
01:32 pianohacker Big and complicated problems associated with them
01:32 pianohacker (like projections... <shudder>)
01:32 pianohacker but very cool and useful
01:34 jcamins_away pianohacker: because I am incredibly geeky, I actually intend to -- after using a cartesian system for plotting my datapoints -- convert my data into polar coordinates.
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01:35 wizzyrea i bow to your geek-dom
01:35 Brooke kia ora
01:35 pianohacker Hmm. What is this project for? Fun with maps, or are you studying something?
01:35 wizzyrea kia ora brooke
01:35 pianohacker Hey there Brooke
01:35 jcamins_away pianohacker: my MA thesis is going to be on the geographical dispersion and movement of booksellers in Saint Petersburg during the reign of Nicholas II.
01:35 pianohacker Ah, ok
01:36 Brooke jcamins: how's work on me pearl handled revolvers goin?
01:36 pianohacker So polar coords are actually perfect for that
01:36 wizzyrea i uh, guess I never knew what you were getting your MA in?
01:36 * wizzyrea is ashamed
01:36 jcamins_away wizzyrea: Slavic Studies.
01:36 wizzyrea oho
01:37 jcamins_away Brooke: if you mean "are you going to get barred from speaking at Jewish Studies conferences after you deliver your last paper?" the answer is "very well."
01:37 jcamins_away ("last" as in "the one I finished this morning"... approximately a gazillion left to do.)
01:38 Brooke uh oh
01:38 * Brooke is skairt to ask.
01:39 Brooke meeting in 18
01:40 Brooke yeah, they're gonna photoshop you outta the paper.
01:40 * jcamins_away admires Gorokhovaia ulitsa.
01:40 jcamins_away google_earth++
01:41 jcamins_away I know I should be using something open source, but it's just. so. pretty.
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01:42 Brooke tell yer Northern Hawai'ian brothas
01:42 Brooke
01:42 AndroUser is now known as SpaceLib
01:43 Brooke SpaceLib > AndroUser ;)
01:45 SpaceLib Yeah. @ our 3.4 lunch... :) rock the android!
01:45 Brooke it's always tease, tease, tease
01:46 SpaceLib Hehehe.
01:48 rangi gonna be a little late
01:48 rangi start without us
01:48 SpaceLib Yes.
01:50 * Brooke nominates pianohacker to chair.
01:51 pianohacker wah?
01:51 pianohacker meeting?
01:51 wahanui meeting is, like, on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0
01:51 pianohacker wahanui, forget meeting
01:51 wahanui pianohacker: I forgot meeting
01:52 SpaceLib That's just mean
01:52 pianohacker heh
01:52 pianohacker I was still in school the semester _before_ last when that meeting happened
01:52 pianohacker Is there a meeting now?
01:53 Brooke t minus 5
01:53 SpaceLib About to be
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01:53 Brooke 0/
01:55 pianohacker I will probably disappear soon to deal with dinner, or I would help with meeting
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01:56 Brooke pfft
01:56 wizzyrea agenda?
01:56 wizzyrea humbug
01:56 Brooke humbug?
01:57 wizzyrea[…]ting,_11_May_2011
01:57 SpaceLib Q bah humbug
01:58 druthb If I do the wave to the left, when everyone is doing it to the right, is that an out-of-order motion?
01:58 Brooke #startmeeting
01:58 huginn Meeting started Wed May 11 02:01:13 2011 UTC.  The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at
01:58 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
01:58 Brooke Haere Mai
01:58 Brooke Welcome to the Community Meeting
01:58 Brooke #topic Introductions
01:59 * wizzyrea is Liz Rea, NEKLS
01:59 * druthb is D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions.
01:59 SpaceLib Shelley gurney,
01:59 SpaceLib Catalyst
01:59 wahanui Catalyst are funding template refactoring
01:59 * jcamins_away = Jared Camins-Esakov, ByWater Solutions
02:00 rhcl rhcl = Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library, St. Joseph, MO, USA
02:00 * slef = MJ Ray, member
02:00 mtj = mason james, kohaaloha, nz
02:02 rangi chris c, on his phone walking
02:02 wizzyrea anyone else?
02:02 SpaceLib Ditto
02:02 rangi be at my desk soon
02:02 pianohacker = Jesse Weaver, occasional koha programmer, lurking
02:02 wizzyrea (please watch out for busses and cars)
02:03 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.2
02:03 Brooke I'm thinking we might have to skip that
02:03 wizzyrea I notice that chris_n isn't about
02:04 Brooke did he appoint a minion?
02:04 wizzyrea not that I'm aware of :/
02:04 Brooke right we can always come back should he arrive.
02:05 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.0
02:05 Brooke possiblay the same
02:05 wizzyrea hdl sent an email today saying he was going to stop support of 3.0, unless someone else picked it up
02:06 wizzyrea and I'm sure we all appreciate the two years he spent as release maintainer - hdl++
02:06 Brooke indeed
02:06 Brooke hdl++
02:06 SpaceLib Hdl++
02:06 rhcl hdl++
02:07 wizzyrea I suppose we should formally ask if there is anyone willing to take up RMaint for 3.0?
02:07 Brooke Are there any objections to formal closure of 3.0? That has been a topic of conversation for some time now.
02:07 mtj indeed!, thanx hdl
02:07 wizzyrea or adopting formal closure
02:07 Brooke I would think formal closure if it's not adopted.
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02:08 slef we'll see what interest there is
02:08 mtj Brooke: i agree
02:08 Brooke are you interested slef?
02:09 slef but I'll be surprised
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02:09 wizzyrea so, should we vote to delay formal end-of-life for 3.0 til next meeting, pending a month for people to decide if they want to pick up maintenance?
02:09 slef don't mind. depends what clients will fund
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02:09 slef but I'll be surprised
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02:10 rangi right, back at my desk
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02:10 Space_Librarian ditto
02:10 Brooke wiz: we've done that for like 2 months now.
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02:10 wizzyrea fair enough
02:10 slef we've only one lib on 3.0 with no upgrade plan yet
02:10 mtj if 3.4 is stable, and 3.2 is old-stable, whats 3.0? .....  very-old-stable?
02:10 Space_Librarian ancient stable
02:11 Irma Irma Birchall - CALYX - Sorry for arriving late
02:11 wizzyrea well it's currently without a RMaint, as hdl resigned today ;)
02:11 Brooke a late irma > no irma :)
02:11 wizzyrea so I think that might be it's death knell
02:11 Brooke okay
02:11 Brooke here is what I propose
02:11 Brooke we vote to kill it effective next meeting should no one step up in the interim
02:11 Brooke is that amenable?
02:11 slef yep
02:11 rhcl why did hdl resign? Did he feel that it's time had passed, or is he just too busy?
02:12 rangi bit of both afaict
02:12 wizzyrea ^^
02:12 rangi and i agree
02:12 wizzyrea I think the time has come
02:12 Brooke any objections to a kill as of next meeting?
02:12 Space_Librarian nope
02:12 mtj nope
02:12 wizzyrea +1 to kill as of next meeting
02:12 rhcl none
02:13 druthb +1
02:13 mtj +1
02:13 Space_Librarian +1
02:13 Brooke reading none, motion carries
02:14 Brooke #action Should 3.0 not be adopted by an RM by next meeting, it will be a very dead parrot.
02:14 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.4
02:14 Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.4
02:15 wizzyrea again no chris_n :/
02:15 rangi oh re 3.2.8
02:15 rangi its in string freeze
02:15 Brooke we should carry a nonsense motion to larn im ;)
02:15 rangi will be released on the 15th
02:15 Brooke oh sweet
02:15 wizzyrea nice :)
02:15 rangi 3.4.1 will go into string freeze then
02:16 rangi and released on the 22nd
02:16 wizzyrea timed_releases++
02:16 rangi after 3.2.8 depending on if any patches come in, a 3.2.9 and 3.2.10 may follow
02:16 * rangi is reading from chris_n's email
02:16 rangi 3.4.x will be released on the 22nd of every month
02:17 rangi up until october, when 3.6.0 will be released
02:17 rangi (and barring any security issues)
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02:17 rangi thats all i know
02:17 rangi you can track progress from here
02:17 rangi[…]erry-pick_for_3.4
02:19 rangi thats all i know :)
02:19 wizzyrea lovely, thanks
02:19 mtj cool, nice work chris
02:19 Brooke that's a lot :D
02:20 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.6
02:20 Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.6
02:20 wizzyrea chris_n++ #for maintaining 2 versions at once
02:20 Brooke indeed
02:20 Brooke chris_n++
02:20 rangi ok, thats on track
02:20 rangi http://koha-releasemanagement.[…]s/Work_for_3.6.x/
02:21 rangi[…]ki/Roadmap_to_3.6
02:21 rangi[…]nt-patch_Workflow
02:21 rangi nothing more to report really
02:21 rangi just sign off :)
02:21 Irma rangi ++
02:22 Brooke rangi++
02:22 wizzyrea rangi++
02:22 Space_Librarian rangi++
02:22 rhcl rangi++
02:22 druthb rangi++
02:24 Brooke #topic KohaCon 2011
02:24 Topic for #koha is now KohaCon 2011
02:24 Brooke not seein kmkale.
02:24 Space_Librarian nope...
02:24 Brooke Bueller?
02:25 wizzyrea hrm
02:25 rangi moving on?
02:25 Brooke I'm going to go with
02:25 Brooke there were several sponsorships so far
02:25 rangi #idea ask kmkale to email the list with an update
02:25 Brooke which is fortunate
02:26 Brooke and there have been a few proposals
02:26 Brooke which is also fortunate
02:26 wahanui okay, Brooke.
02:26 Space_Librarian but no sponsorships from bigger koha users
02:26 Brooke stay posted over at
02:26 Brooke to
02:26 Brooke o
02:26 Brooke #topic KohaCon 2012
02:26 Topic for #koha is now KohaCon 2012
02:27 Space_Librarian exciting. Are we still bullying people?
02:27 rhcl ?
02:27 Brooke I prefer "convincing".
02:27 Space_Librarian we were trying persuade some people south america would be good for 2012 last meeting...
02:28 Space_Librarian persuade is also a good word
02:28 * druthb suggests Lawrence, KS, just to hear wizzyrea scream a little.
02:28 Brooke yeah, persuasion, that's the ticket.
02:28 wizzyrea !
02:28 rhcl I support that!
02:28 rhcl Cheap airfare for me.
02:28 rangi i think north is probably due
02:29 Space_Librarian can we use sparkly red shoes in the logo?
02:29 wizzyrea lol
02:29 wizzyrea there's no place like home, they tell me
02:29 * druthb enjoys making wizzyrea go "!"
02:29 Brooke pfft Europe'd due before North.
02:29 Space_Librarian prince edward island...
02:29 wizzyrea ^^
02:29 rangi thats what i mean
02:29 Space_Librarian :p
02:29 wizzyrea maybe 2013 ;)
02:29 rangi real north
02:29 Brooke my typing is atrocious, sorry.
02:29 rangi not north america
02:29 Space_Librarian canada?
02:30 Space_Librarian (is still north america) never mind
02:30 rangi but really, there should be no convincing needed, someone should volunteer if they want to
02:30 wizzyrea ^^
02:30 Brooke tyres might have been kicked
02:30 Brooke just as there were some Africans kicking tyres >:)
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02:30 Space_Librarian that's some heavy persuasion there, Brooke
02:31 * Brooke looks innocent.
02:31 Space_Librarian magnus_away did say may 2013 as well...
02:31 Space_Librarian maybe*
02:31 Brooke well, we thought about it, and nengard's not here to pester us about acting on it
02:31 Space_Librarian true
02:32 Brooke oooh there's a thought. I'd only mind if it conflicted with eg
02:32 Brooke which I think would be a bad idea.
02:32 slef can we call for dates before next meeting?
02:32 Space_Librarian UK - since their nat archives will be on Koha...
02:33 druthb There was some talk at KUDOS last week about having a joing EG and KUDOS con starting in 2013.  Most of the enthusiasm came from the two or three folks who attended both...
02:33 Brooke not to mention we had UK last bid round :D
02:33 Space_Librarian we did...
02:33 Irma what are we hoping to achieve discussing Kohacon 2012 at this stage?
02:33 slef bah it's unethical to go round announcing your clients
02:33 Space_Librarian a shortlist by the time koha2011 finishes
02:34 Brooke and it ought give people a wee bit more prep time than they've had in the past.
02:34 Space_Librarian preferably the next conference venue
02:34 Irma Is it time then to call on the e-list for expressions of interest?
02:34 wizzyrea yep, let's do that
02:35 Space_Librarian you'll need a set of dates for that...
02:35 Space_Librarian otherwise, good idea.
02:35 Brooke #idea listserv eoi for KohaCon 2012
02:35 wizzyrea nah, that's part of the eoi
02:35 Brooke sponsor decides dates methinks
02:35 wizzyrea ^^
02:35 * Space_Librarian nods
02:35 slef look
02:35 Irma re dates: we need to look at an international list of library events ...
02:36 Space_Librarian yeah.
02:36 slef last time, ppl complained about collisions with other events
02:36 Space_Librarian got that problem in NZ this year
02:37 slef I don't know where to find dates for events in Aus or India... let's get some boundaries
02:37 Brooke it's always going to collide with something, just hopefully that something is not something that would sap attendance
02:37 slef hope and two quid will buy you a coffee :-/
02:37 Irma the IFLA website has events info
02:38 Space_Librarian so does ALIA... for international conferences
02:38 slef cool, are there gaps?
02:38 Space_Librarian ALA mid-June...
02:39 wizzyrea is now known as wizzy_away
02:39 wizzy_away (for just a min)
02:39 Irma I suggest we ask on the e-list and produce a Doodle survey for the best month
02:39 druthb Irma++
02:40 Space_Librarian good idea
02:40 Irma and the sponsor makes the last decision
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02:40 slef Irma: good idea. can you?
02:40 Irma sponsor/host
02:40 Irma I can slef if you like ...
02:40 Brooke #idea doodle survey for best month for KohaCon
02:40 slef I like
02:40 Irma Brooke? Do you wish me to prepare that?
02:40 slef Irma++
02:41 Brooke Do I ever :D
02:41 Brooke Irma++
02:41 Brooke I shall be your minion if necessary.
02:41 slef #action Irma to doodle for best month
02:41 Irma Ok then "watch that space"
02:41 Space_Librarian Irma++
02:41 slef #action Brooke to provide general minioning
02:42 Brooke tough act to follow, but does anyone else have any bril ideas on this topic?
02:42 Brooke pfft, not general minioning, minioning to Irma :P
02:42 Space_Librarian hehe
02:42 Irma hehe
02:43 Brooke righto
02:43 Space_Librarian er... will get back to you.
02:43 Space_Librarian we had a good list last meeting
02:43 Brooke #topic DB Documentation Management
02:43 Topic for #koha is now DB Documentation Management
02:44 rangi no nicole
02:44 rangi i propose we save this for next meeting
02:44 Brooke tabled barring objections
02:44 druthb +1 to table
02:44 Space_Librarian +1 to table
02:44 Irma +1 to table
02:44 rhcl +1
02:45 Brooke right DB Documentation Management may now kiss the bride.
02:45 slef +1 to shelve
02:45 Brooke #topic Miscellaneous Olde Business.
02:45 Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous Olde Business.
02:45 slef ;-)
02:45 Brooke MJ
02:45 Brooke ba dum cha
02:46 Brooke nuffin?
02:47 slef not yet, not prepared
02:47 wizzy_away is now known as wizzyrea
02:47 * Space_Librarian watches the tumbleweed roll past
02:47 Brooke k
02:47 Brooke #topic time of next meeting
02:47 Topic for #koha is now time of next meeting
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02:49 rhcl this time didn't seem to promote a good turnout
02:49 rangi 8 hours from now
02:49 rangi continue on the 8 hour rotation
02:49 rangi ?
02:49 Space_Librarian yep
02:49 Irma yep
02:49 Space_Librarian 14 June?
02:49 rangi so 10:00 UTC
02:49 Irma and consult the elaborate spreadsheet prepared after last meeting
02:50 rangi oh god, do we have to?
02:50 Space_Librarian :)
02:50 rangi spreadsheets make me vomit
02:50 rangi i think im allergic
02:50 slef me only if xlsx
02:50 Irma all is good guys ... I was just kidding!
02:50 rangi phew :)
02:51 slef Real Community are here
02:51 Brooke ya mean[…]ng_Starting_Times
02:51 Brooke ?
02:51 Space_Librarian 10:00 UTC an issue?
02:52 Irma yes Brooke but it was to inform us of the past to make the future easier and as fair as possible
02:52 Brooke a yep
02:52 wizzyrea ya, +8h from now
02:52 Brooke that was a yep to Irma
02:52 Space_Librarian when?
02:52 Irma +8 hours from now is good for me too
02:52 Brooke it is also nice because it doesn't screw Europe, who was screwed this go.
02:52 wahanui okay, Brooke.
02:53 wizzyrea forget it
02:53 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot it
02:53 jcamins_away Wasn't it 10:00 UTC last month?
02:53 Irma what time would that be for you wizzyrea?
02:53 rangi oh maybe we need to go -8 then
02:53 wizzyrea 5am is early for me, with luck i'd have insomnia ;)
02:53 rangi lemme look
02:53 * jcamins_away has no objection, just confused 'cause he thought he remembered being up super-early last time.
02:53 rangi yes it was
02:53 Space_Librarian should be -8
02:54 Space_Librarian 6am for us...
02:54 rangi so this one should be -8
02:54 rangi thats ok
02:54 rangi im never asleep past then ;)
02:54 wizzyrea 1pm in CDT
02:54 slef it'd be nice if ppl would send apologies if they won't be here ;)
02:54 rangi good for europe and the US
02:54 Irma 4am for me then a bike ride ... OK! That works!
02:54 * wizzyrea curses daylight savings
02:54 * jcamins_away sends his apologies for June's meeting.
02:54 Space_Librarian do we have a date?
02:55 rangi you cant make 1pm jcamins_away ?
02:55 jcamins_away rangi: I can't make June.
02:55 rangi ahh
02:55 wizzyrea I think he'll be away somewhere exotic :)
02:55 rangi note it on the wiki page ;-)
02:55 slef jcamins_away: to the wiki is best, when it's there
02:55 slef snap!
02:55 Irma Space_librarian Good question!
02:55 wizzyrea it'd be 2 for him, he's in eastern ^.^
02:55 Space_Librarian i thought so. :)
02:56 rangi 14 is fine by me
02:56 Brooke Holdin' it down on the East Siiiiidie.
02:56 wizzyrea keepin the middle from blowin awayeeee
02:56 Brooke yeah boy.
02:56 wizzyrea bg's kickin it on the WC
02:56 * Brooke is officially punchy.
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02:57 jcamins_away Brooke++ # see, someone else *does* use the word punchy
02:57 wizzyrea :)
02:57 wizzyrea so
02:57 Space_Librarian so 6am on the 15th (NZDST) for moi
02:57 slef 14 ok afaict
02:57 druthb "A motion to adjourn is always in order."   'specially with the chair-being getting punchy.
02:58 Brooke can't
02:58 slef jcamins_away: what about snuck and frit?
02:58 Brooke I am chained to the gavel until we've a proper time and vote.
02:58 * druthb is close enough to Brooke to get
02:58 rangi ok so 14 June 18:00 UTC
02:58 Irma Brooke June 15th?
02:58 slef rangi++
02:58 Brooke argh conflicting motions
02:58 rangi theres the proper
02:58 wizzyrea there it is
02:58 Space_Librarian 14th
02:58 rangi vote you scoundrels
02:58 Brooke traffic copping Rangi first
02:58 druthb +1 #rangi
02:59 wizzyrea 14 june 18:00 UTC
02:59 Space_Librarian +1
02:59 * rangi may have had a couple of beers at lunch
02:59 Brooke 14th June 18:00 UTC +1
02:59 wizzyrea +1
02:59 Space_Librarian he did too
02:59 jcamins_away slef: nah, those're Englishisms. ;)
02:59 Irma Brooke do you want me to add May and June to[…]ng_Starting_Times ?
02:59 wizzyrea doo eet
02:59 Brooke Irma I'll do eet
02:59 wizzyrea move to get back to your regularly scheduled koha bidniz
02:59 Brooke that's yeoman's woik.
02:59 Irma thanks Brooke
02:59 Brooke k
02:59 Space_Librarian oh, can we short out wiki email validation things yet?
03:00 Brooke barring objections 14 June 1800 UTC it is.
03:00 wizzyrea no gmcharlt tonight :(
03:00 Space_Librarian d'oh
03:00 Brooke fine
03:00 slef Space_Librarian: in what way JOOI?
03:00 Brooke #action 14 June 1800 UTC Next Meeting
03:00 Brooke #endmeeting
03:00 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.4.0 is now available | Next IRC meeting 11 May 2011 0200 UTC+0 | | This channel is logged | Pastes at
03:00 huginn Meeting ended Wed May 11 03:03:55 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)
03:00 huginn Minutes:[…]-05-11-02.01.html
03:00 huginn Minutes (text):[…]1-05-11-02.01.txt
03:00 huginn Log:  […]11-02.01.log.html
03:00 Space_Librarian slef ?
03:00 wahanui somebody said slef was an avid cyclist
03:01 rangi slef: the wiki currently cant send emails, they are working on afaik
03:01 slef jcamins_away: heh, regionalisms
03:01 slef rangi: oic
03:01 rangi (someone was spamming through the mail)
03:01 rangi i hate spammers
03:01 wizzyrea spammers--
03:01 * druthb waves, and stumbles off to bed.
03:01 Space_Librarian bye ruth!
03:02 * wizzyrea commences more who ssn 5
03:02 slef I hate mediawiki's apparent lack of sane antispam
03:02 Irma waves and thinks about work for clients ...
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03:02 * Space_Librarian envious of wizzyrea
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03:02 * Oak waves
03:02 Space_Librarian hey
03:03 slef Space_Librarian: you can login with openid though?
03:03 Irma druthb sleep well :)!
03:03 * jcamins_away regretfully tears himself away from maps, and goes to get some sleep. So much on catching up on sleep tonight.
03:03 Space_Librarian nope.
03:03 wizzyrea still have to vaildate :(
03:03 Space_Librarian you need to have your email verified now
03:03 Space_Librarian and it doesn't send out the validation email
03:03 slef oh that sucks
03:04 rangi prolly not much point discussing it without gmcharlt
03:04 jcamins_away Lighthouses of NZ! So cool!
03:04 * Irma says "Ciao" and runs away
03:04 slef gmcharlt is single point of admin?
03:04 Space_Librarian it appears so
03:04 rangi no, but it is an esi machine
03:04 slef Irma: ciao
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03:05 Space_Librarian bye Irma
03:05 rangi thd is an admin too
03:05 slef who is also afk... ok
03:05 Space_Librarian haven't seen him in a while either...
03:05 rangi but i think we need someone to set up their mta
03:05 rangi so not the actual wiki
03:05 rangi[…]
03:06 rangi none of them around
03:06 slef postfix and exim4 security alerts last few days btw
03:06 rangi *nod*
03:06 wizzyrea oof
03:06 rangi the exim4 one was quite nasty
03:06 jcamins_away Good night, #koha
03:06 rangi cya jcamins_away
03:06 * Space_Librarian waves at jcamins_away
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03:06 wizzyrea bye jcamins
03:06 wizzyrea lol
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03:08 slef is this email validation thing in bugs?
03:08 rangi dunno
03:09 Brooke the upload thing bothers me much more than the no email thing
03:09 slef bug 6324
03:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6324 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver.
03:09 wizzyrea no email = no new contributors = bad
03:10 wizzyrea :/
03:10 slef I don't see the email thing in bugs. I don't have my login on this pc
03:10 wizzyrea i can file one
03:10 slef I'll file it i... ok, thanks
03:11 wizzyrea I'm already in :)
03:11 slef at least then we can bug gmcharlt async'ly
03:11 wizzyrea i know he's well aware, but super busy this week
03:11 slef and see if it's fixed without retesting
03:12 slef super busy is the new normal
03:12 wizzyrea ;)
03:12 slef speaking of which, I'll be back in a few hours
03:13 slef parting thought: does the low turnout mean that community participation is insufficiently rewarded at the moment?
03:13 wizzyrea bug 6326
03:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6326 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Mail not going out from Wiki
03:14 wizzyrea it seems lower just after a release
03:14 slef parting thought 2: ???
03:14 rangi i think its more there isnt a lot to talk about at the moment
03:15 wizzyrea ?!
03:15 wizzyrea ohh
03:15 rangi my thought is that cop is a dbag
03:15 wizzyrea ^^
03:16 rhcl slutwalklawrence++
03:16 wizzyrea at all stars, right?
03:16 rhcl huh, what's All Stars?
03:16 wizzyrea with wifi
03:17 mtj slef: i'm prepping the launch of my new website as we speak...
03:17 wizzyrea i don't kno whether to laugh or clap
03:17 wizzyrea or both
03:17 mtj ... or strut!
03:17 Oak do both
03:17 Brooke heh
03:18 Brooke the things I return to when I mess with that hijeous table.
03:19 rhcl time for me beddy-bye
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03:52 Brooke right
03:52 Brooke actually sleepay
03:52 Brooke night #koha
03:52 rangi cya Brooke
03:52 rangi thanks for chairing
03:53 Brooke only thing I can contrib
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04:01 wizzyrea @later tell nengard ping me when you have a chance re: login :)
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04:32 pianohacker all right. good night, all
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05:06 cait hi koha
05:06 Space_Librarian hey cait
05:06 cait hi Space_Librarian
05:06 cait :)
05:07 Space_Librarian ;)
05:22 cait oh
05:23 cait meeting at 4pm today for me - that's evil for nz, isn't it?
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05:26 hyj hi everybody
05:27 hyj could anyone tell me how to uninstall koha from debian
05:29 cait or did I miss it already?
05:29 * cait is now confused
05:30 cait ok, obviously I did
05:34 hyj hello,  could anyone tell me how to uninstall koha
05:34 eythian hyj: how did you install it?
05:35 eythian cait: yeah, you missed it
05:35 cait reading the logs now :(
05:35 hyj I installed it from debian repository
05:35 cait must be the first meeting in ages that I missed
05:35 cait 4 am not pm
05:35 eythian hyj: then "apt-get remove koha-common"
05:36 eythian cait: they kicked you out of the project because you missed the meeting, btw ;)
05:36 hyj only this command needed
05:36 eythian hyj: should be yeah
05:36 cait eythian: :P
05:37 hyj ok thanks eythian. I will try this command
05:38 eythian g'luck
05:38 cait eythian: this will not help you, I will still ask for the bug ;)
05:38 eythian cait: can't, got to go to malaysia to attend a Koha workshop.
05:38 cait excuses....
05:38 wahanui cait: Redundant ACLs.
05:39 cait feel like this game is being repeated a lot
05:40 eythian hehe
05:40 eythian it does seem that way
05:40 eythian all I really need is a free time upgrade
05:44 cait we all do I think :(
05:46 cait excuse?
05:46 wahanui cait: struck by the Good Times virus
05:51 cait eythian: how long will you be away?
05:51 eythian dunno yet, probably about a week
05:52 eythian thinking I might take a couple of days either before or after as a holiday and to visit friends there
05:54 cait cool
05:54 cait have fun :)
05:57 eythian I will, it's not until July though
06:02 cait ok,now you have a problem - if it's in july - you need a new excuse
06:02 eythian heh
06:02 eythian I'm still working on a migration?
06:04 eythian wahanui: migration is <reply>If only they were using Koha to start with...
06:04 wahanui ...but migration is hard...
06:04 eythian wahanui: migration is also <reply>If only they were using Koha to start with...
06:04 wahanui okay, eythian.
06:04 cait ok, this will count for today...
06:10 cait will ask again tomorrow :)
06:10 cait or perhaps I will give up asking you and create a very general accounts rewrite bu
06:10 cait g
06:11 cait and link everything to it I think you should solve :)
06:15 eythian haha
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06:29 cait bonjour hdl
06:29 cait bbl
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06:37 hyj eythian: one more doubt. when I am rebuilding zebra I m getting a warning "index 'Record control number' not found in attsets" . how can i resolv it?
06:38 eythian hmm. I'm not sure.
06:38 eythian It means something, and someone here will probably know, but I can't remember what that is.
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08:14 kf hi #koha
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09:07 rangi oh thats cool
09:08 rangi
09:08 rangi nice link back to koha-community
09:08 rangi pusc++
09:09 rangi cilea++
09:11 kf pusc++
09:17 kf hdl++
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10:26 kf hdl++
10:27 kf hdl: I think it works - inserting the sql gave me some strange behaviour (some links not working), I am creating it from scratch now :)
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11:03 kf IT WORKS!
11:03 kf that had to be said :)
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11:53 * chris_n crawls in from a nearly 48 hour work run and expresses regrets for missing the meeting... again :P
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11:57 * paul_p just realize he missed the meeting (but it was 4AM in France, so I wouldn't have been here anyway !)
11:58 paul_p hello chris_n !
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12:02 conan good morning all
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12:09 kf hi chris_n
12:09 kf I missed the meeting too
12:09 kf accidently, but sleeping was probably the better idea
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12:19 conan I feel like I need one extra hour sleep
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13:03 Cybermon hi all.
13:05 oleonard Hi Cybermon
13:05 Cybermon how are you
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13:25 Cybermon anybody here ?
13:26 oleonard Yes Cybermon do you have a question?
13:26 Cybermon yesw
13:27 Cybermon when i update patron data via opac section. but not updated
13:27 oleonard Submitting an update from the OPAC simply emails the Koha administrator a list of the changes. It does not actually update the database.
13:28 Cybermon it mean not possible this moment ?
13:28 oleonard From the manual, "Patrons can edit their details in this form and click 'Submit Changes' to have their edits sent to the library for review before their record is updated."
13:29 Cybermon i see
13:29 oleonard A librarian must be the one to actually input the changes.
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13:29 Cybermon could you provide me the manual link ?
13:30 oleonard[…]518#opacmydetails
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13:34 Cybermon i have 3.2.7
13:37 oleonard[…]937#opacmydetails
13:37 oleonard The same.
13:37 Cybermon thanks olenard!
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13:39 Cybermon 'Submit Changes' to have their edits sent to the library for review before their record is updated. where located review before ?
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13:39 oleonard An email is sent to the Koha administrator
13:40 Cybermon i see.
13:40 Cybermon maybe, I made wrong SMTP configuration during installation.
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13:40 Cybermon can i fix smtp configuration ?
13:41 oleonard I'm sure you can, but I don't know how :)
13:41 Cybermon :-)
13:42 Cybermon let's search in forum
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13:49 wizzyrea put away the duct tape, I think I'm here to stay :P
13:50 kf hehe
13:52 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.4.0 is now available | Next IRC meeting 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0 | | This channel is logged | Pastes at
13:53 wizzyrea meeting is 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0
13:53 wizzyrea meeting?
13:53 wahanui meeting is, like, 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0
13:53 wizzyrea Next IRC meeting is 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0
13:53 wizzyrea next meeting?
13:53 wahanui rumour has it next meeting is Apr 5
13:53 wizzyrea forget next meeting
13:53 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot next meeting
13:53 wizzyrea Next IRC meeting 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0
13:53 wizzyrea Next meeting is 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0
13:53 wizzyrea next meeting?
13:53 wahanui next meeting is, like, 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0
13:53 wizzyrea there we go
13:54 oleonard Hey, a meeting I'll be at!
13:54 oleonard ...because I'll be here anyway, and it'll be hard not to notice.
13:55 oleonard Wolfram Alpha, sorry I only visit you to find out when IRC meetings are.
14:00 kf hehe
14:00 kf me too
14:00 kf but got up too late for the meeting today :(
14:23 slef yeah yeah excuses excuses ;-)
14:23 Cybermon bye all
14:25 kf excuse
14:25 wahanui kf: A star wars satellite accidently blew up the WAN.
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14:25 jcamins wahanui: oh is that what it is?
14:25 wahanui jcamins: i haven't a clue
14:25 kf is rangi really writing mails this time of the day?
14:26 rangi yes, because rangi is awake
14:26 kf and why is rangi awake?
14:26 kf ;)
14:26 rangi because kahu has a toy, that when its battery went flat
14:26 rangi started yelling 'A B C ...'
14:26 * jcamins laughs
14:26 rangi and waking up everyone
14:26 kf lol
14:26 wizzyrea did you have to scrounge up a screwdriver to get the battery out?
14:27 rangi it was that, or kick it into submission
14:27 wizzyrea because that would be the infuriating bit for me :P
14:27 rangi whcih i would have done if kahu wasnt watching :)
14:27 wizzyrea or put it outside in the trunk of the car
14:27 kf walls are great for that too
14:28 oleonard My wife freaked out last night because a dish towel was crawling across the floor at her. Turns out there was a little toy under it.
14:28 wizzyrea lol!
14:28 rangi heh, much better than the alternative
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14:29 oleonard Very close to the alternative. It was one of these:
14:29 rangi speaking of toys, the fish has lasted through both boys
14:29 oleonard :D
14:29 kf the fish?
14:29 rangi kf: oleonard sent a very cool wooden fish for kahu when he was very very little
14:29 wizzyrea those hexbug things are cool
14:30 kf oleonard++
14:30 rangi ok i should go back to sleep, on site with a client at 9am
14:31 * wizzyrea purposefully ignores rangi, as being too interesting means he'll be awake longer
14:31 oleonard Yes, the answer is always go back to sleep
14:31 rangi night :)
14:41 kf nengard: around?
14:43 nengard yes
14:43 nengard sort of
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14:46 kf ah
14:46 kf writing you a mail
14:46 kf gmail ok?
14:47 * Oak is here
14:49 nengard yes
14:49 nengard gmail
14:49 nengard a-ok
14:49 kf sent
14:49 kf my serials problem
14:49 kf hdl solved it :)
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14:57 rhcl OK, so when a patron looses a book, and they come in and pay for it, the staff marks the item as lost and paid for.
14:57 rhcl Is there no mechanism to automaticallly notify the selector for that type of item that it's now out of the collection and they should consider buying a replacement copy?
14:58 wizzyrea not that I'm aware of, but that would be a cool feature you should add it as an enhancement bug :)
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14:59 rhcl I was trying to think how such a process might work. There isn't, that I'm aware of, anything in an item record that indicates who the selector is for that item type.
14:59 jcamins rhcl: weekly report, usually.
15:02 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6328] Fine in days does not work <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6328>
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15:16 adnc rangi, hello. is there a estimation when koha 3.4 will be available in packaged version?
15:18 oleonard Too early for rangi adnc
15:18 adnc oleonard, ohh
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16:01 cait hi #koha
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17:49 briceSanc hello all
17:55 slef hi briceSanc
17:55 cait hi slef and briceSanc
17:55 briceSanc Do you konow if Koha 3.2.x has this functionnality :[…]ug.cgi?id=3506#c2 ?
17:55 huginn Bug 3506: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED , Block checkout of items with pending holds (allow supervisor override)
17:56 jcamins briceSanc: it does not.
17:56 slef I don't think that code will be in it because it's for the PTFS fork.
17:57 slef you could try porting the patch from the PTFS fork and I would thank you for it
17:58 briceSanc slef, =)
17:58 briceSanc Is there an equivalent of this functionnality on Koha 3.2.x ?
17:58 cait I am not sure I like the idea of supervisor overrides
17:58 jcamins cait: they're an important feature for US libraries.
17:59 cait ok
17:59 cait never saw that here
17:59 sekjal cait: we were talking about this amongst ourselves yesterday
17:59 slef porting will have become harder over time because PTFS don't seem to update their Koha any more
17:59 cait sekjal: perhaps something that needs to be flexible
17:59 jcamins cait: in a lot of universities, circ desks are staffed almost entirely by student workers, who are not allowed to handle money for legal reasons.
17:59 cait having a pref / permissions
17:59 jcamins So what we really need is a sudo function. :)
17:59 sekjal supervisor override comes from another ILS system, so it's expected by some libraries migrating from that
18:00 sekjal jcamins said it
18:00 cait yep
18:00 cait I think I know where it comes from
18:00 cait we tested that for a while
18:00 sekjal something AJAX-y to temporarily change the login
18:00 briceSanc slef, i need to work on this but the customer need to approve the work before releasing...
18:01 slef sekjal: AJAX :-(   why not a sudo function?
18:01 slef briceSanc: yeah I know that problem
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18:02 sekjal slef:  I'm thinking the elevating of permissions should not cause a whole page reload; using AJAX would give us a slick way to implement this in the staff client
18:03 sekjal the backend would still be based in C4/, involving the storage of a temporary login (with expiration)
18:05 slef sekjal: # don't fear the reload
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18:07 sekjal slef: I'm also worried about making sure we wound up after the reload with the same message on screen that prompted it
18:08 sekjal that seems like it could introduce complexity to the coding.... though whether moreso than AJAX, I cannot say
18:08 * slef mutters something about continuations and wanders back to his coding
18:10 yhager Hi, I have a (corrupted?) record that generates the following error on search: Error: Can't call method "as_usmarc" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2384. (koha 3.2.5)
18:11 yhager What's the best way to handle that, and is there a way to avoid such a problem?
18:14 rangi yhager: for newer versions of koha (not sure if it will be in 3.2.8 but is in 3.4.0 ) better error handling for corrupt records was added
18:15 rangi for now, i think the only way to find hte corrupt record is to add a warn to the search code
18:15 rangi that warns the biblionumber
18:16 yhager rangi: ok, I'll guess I need to upgrade to 3.4 then.. I was waiting for 3.4.x (x>0) actually..
18:16 rangi then hopefully you can find the corrupt record
18:16 rangi yhager: one other option
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18:16 rangi yhager: yeah if you can wait to 3.4.1 i would
18:17 yhager I only have one record like that at the moment, and we are still catalouging, so it's not urgent
18:17 rangi right, maybe add the warns to
18:17 rangi and see if you can find the corrupt one
18:18 yhager rangi: i know exactly the name of the book, but then what do I do? delete directly from the DB?
18:18 rangi or if you have an idea which one it might be, take a look in the db
18:18 rangi yhager: id have a look at the record first, biblioitems table
18:18 rangi look at the marc and marcxml columns
18:19 rangi yuo may be able to spot what is wrong
18:19 rangi deleting would be an option, but you might be able to update the row instead (its most likely something wrong in the marcxml)
18:26 yhager rangi: marcxml is a valid xml, so I don't know what kind of corruption I am looking for. Here is the record:
18:27 rangi hmm that does look fine to me
18:27 rangi if you try and edit the record in koha, does it show up ok?
18:27 jcamins yhager: did you try reindexing?
18:28 rangi oh good point jcamins
18:28 yhager rangi: no, it doesn't show. How do I reindex?
18:28 rangi -b -r -v -x
18:28 rangi id try that
18:32 yhager done, still, I get the same error when searching the catalog
18:33 rangi and when you edit the record, it shows up blank?
18:33 rangi you may have to munge the url to get to an edit screen (edit a good record, and then change the biblionumber)
18:36 yhager rangi: the edit screen loads with no error. It shows the record..
18:38 yhager maybe my assumption that I know which record is it is wrong
18:38 rangi its beginning to feel that way
18:45 rhcl @seen wizzyrea
18:45 huginn rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 46 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> not that I'm aware of, but that would be a cool feature you should add it as an enhancement bug :)
18:45 yhager ok, it's strange. When I set the url to show the record, it shows fine, including edit. When I search for the ISBN, I get that error
18:45 wizzyrea i'm here yo ;)
18:46 druthb hi, wizzyrea.  :D
18:46 wizzyrea heyas
18:46 rangi yhager: hmmm it does feel like the index eh? no weird messages when you reindexed?
18:46 rangi yhager: if you edit it and save, then run
18:47 rangi -b -z -v
18:47 rangi it should just index that one record
18:47 rhcl 't release to the world. How hard is it in Jing to blur the patron info?
18:47 rangi maybe will spot anything weird
18:47 wizzyrea difficult, after the fact
18:47 wizzyrea unless you have pro
18:47 wizzyrea if you have jing pro you can dump it into imobie
18:48 wizzyrea or another similar video editor
18:48 wizzyrea and do it there
18:48 wizzyrea imo*vie
18:48 wizzyrea what I do is have test patrons and test bibs
18:48 * jcamins thought imobie sounded more fun. It's a computer screen with no back. :)
18:49 wizzyrea then you're never mucking with real data
18:49 rhcl yep
18:49 wizzyrea we use superheroes and xmen
18:49 wizzyrea :P
18:49 wizzyrea (and their fictional families_
18:49 yhager hmm.. I actually see a couple of permission denied errors from Should it be ran as root, or the koha user?
18:49 rangi ohh
18:50 rangi it should be run as the user who runs the cron jobs and the user that zebrasrv runs as
18:50 rangi normally that is the koha user
18:50 rangi sudo -u koha rebuild_zebra etc
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18:51 rangi so id check what user is doing the cron job, and what user is running zebrasrv and when you manually rebuild run it as that user
18:51 yhager rangi: yeah, that's what I did. I don't have a zebrasrv process in the system, and /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios is owned by root, so the koha user cannot work there
18:52 sekjal wizzyrea:  just a note, we've updated our public demo at to current HEAD, so if you'd like to update, it's now closer to 3.4 than 3.2
18:52 wizzyrea kk
18:52 sekjal thanks! :)
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18:52 rangi hmm no zebrasrv runnin?
18:52 wizzyrea u got it :)
18:52 yhager rangi: no zebrasrv, and no cron jobs. did I miss an important part of the installation?
18:53 rangi you must be running nozebra then?
18:53 wizzyrea right and you know what sekjal
18:53 wizzyrea I meant to remove that lil blurb ages ago
18:53 wizzyrea in favor of the entire page of demos
18:53 rangi in which case, my advice is switch to using zebra, and look in the instructions for the part about setting up zebra
18:53 wizzyrea :)
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18:53 wizzyrea hi skushner
18:54 skushner hi wizzy
18:54 yhager rangi: yes, IIRC, I run nozebra. How do I switch?
18:54 yhager actually, why should I switch? what does it mean?
18:55 rangi nozebra has been officially deprecated for 3.4, and is pretty much unsupported for 3.2
18:55 yhager rangi: good enough reason for me :)
18:55 rangi it means it uses mysql tables for oing the search
18:55 skushner when r we going to solr
18:55 rangi skushner: not touching that question with a bargepole
18:55 rangi yhager: for now you could try a
18:55 yhager ok, I'll set up zebra then. Thanks.
18:55 wizzyrea probably when the dev is made to make using solr an option instead of a requirement, like we did with zebra/nozebra
18:56 wizzyrea just sayin
18:56 yhager rangi: same command line switches?
18:56 * wizzyrea touches it, runs
18:56 rangi yhager: i cant recall, i think running it with none will prompt you
18:57 rangi yhager: and with the switch to zebra is setting up zebra then toggling the syspref, so you can always toggle the syspref back too
18:57 yhager rangi: ok, great. Thanks for your help!
18:58 yhager oh! fixed it
18:58 rangi right so we were on the right track, it was a bad index
18:58 rangi zebra is faster and more powerful
18:58 wizzyrea zebra's better, but yay it's fixed!
18:59 rangi but now you have time to set up properly and test :)
18:59 rangi jcamins++
18:59 rangi for thnking of reindexing
19:00 rangi ok breakfasting the animals, i mean children, bbiab
19:01 yhager Yeah, I'll set up zebra. Thx guys!
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19:56 rangi busy bus today
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20:01 rhcl raining?
20:02 ibeardslee was hosing down last night .. what a racket
20:02 rangi threatening to
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20:03 rangi yeah it sure was
20:06 talljoy I have a Koha install question.
20:06 adnc any news when koh 3.4 will be available for debian packaged?
20:07 talljoy I've gotten to the 1.4 of the Install of Koha Debian.  The command install_misc/ gives me the error message of "no such file or directory".  What am I missing here?
20:07 talljoy FYI this is for Koha 3.4
20:09 wizzyrea ah
20:09 wizzyrea can you do a pwd?
20:09 wizzyrea on your command line?
20:09 wizzyrea talljoy
20:09 talljoy I'm the root user at the moment
20:09 wizzyrea that's ok, what does 'pwd' tell you?
20:10 wizzyrea (print working directory)
20:10 talljoy it tells me /root
20:10 wizzyrea aha
20:10 wizzyrea ok
20:10 wizzyrea what directory did you download koha into?
20:10 talljoy this one.  when I list the files...there is the tarball
20:10 wizzyrea (usually something like kohaclone)
20:10 talljoy i'm guessing i should move it!
20:11 wizzyrea for a test install that's ok
20:11 wizzyrea have you untar'd the file?
20:11 talljoy not yet.
20:11 wizzyrea do that first :)
20:11 talljoy might be a good place to do that!  Any suggestions on doing it in a specific directory?
20:11 wizzyrea tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz
20:11 wizzyrea for a test install right?
20:12 indradg hi... anyone here using the spine labels generated by Koha?
20:12 talljoy yes
20:12 wizzyrea yep, that'll be fine
20:12 talljoy okay.  let me pound away on that and try again. Thx wizzyrea
20:12 wizzyrea sure thing :)
20:13 indradg wizzyrea, at your place, do you generate the spine labels from Koha?
20:14 wizzyrea some of our libraries do
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20:16 indradg wizzyrea, great! I could use a tip... i have a situation, apart from the date accessioned range, I need to support a range select based on accession nos.. where should i start tinkering around to add that feature... any idea?
20:19 indradg the or the search.tmpl or simply via IntranetUserJS using a bit of jQuery?
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20:20 nengard howdy margo
20:21 nengard and cait
20:21 margo hi nengard
20:21 margo i have some stupid questions
20:21 cait hi nengard and margo :)
20:21 margo hey cait!
20:21 cait there are no stupid questions :)
20:21 margo lol
20:21 margo i'm working with circ on the fast add framework
20:22 nengard which you found a bug with!! :(
20:22 nengard hehe
20:22 margo yes, delightful
20:22 margo anyway, after the fast add part, do we still have to add an item?
20:22 nengard yes
20:22 margo even though we've put in a barcode?
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20:22 nengard and you can make the item 'fast' too
20:22 wizzyrea indradg: that's an interesting question, chris_n is really the expert on labels
20:22 nengard the barcode is on the item record
20:23 nengard where are you putting it?
20:23 margo in the fast add
20:23 nengard in the bib?
20:23 nengard i mean what field are you putting it in
20:23 margo lol 952p, i mean
20:23 nengard oh that's the item
20:23 nengard so you're adding an item already
20:23 nengard you're all set
20:23 wizzyrea re: fast add
20:23 margo it's not showing up
20:23 nengard btw - tutorial video:
20:24 margo the item or barcode
20:24 nengard oh ... hmmmm
20:24 wizzyrea nm
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20:24 indradg chris_n, how do I add the option for a accession no. range into the item search for labels?
20:24 nengard okay walk me through your steps margo and i'll see if i can find where it's breaking - or is this on a system we have access to?
20:24 indradg i mean... what are my options here...  the or the search.tmpl or simply via IntranetUserJS using a bit of jQuery?
20:25 margo did we give you a password when you were here?
20:30 wizzyrea I don't think jquery will do it
20:30 wizzyrea indradg
20:30 wizzyrea probably there will have to be some modification of both the template and the script, but I haven't looked at it. 3.4 lets you do batches of scanned in barcodes, which is neat
20:31 wizzyrea almost as helpful as a range of dates :)
20:31 wizzyrea if you have the books handy
20:31 indradg wizzyrea, unfortunately i've to work with 3.2.7
20:31 wizzyrea aha, and no chance of updating?
20:31 indradg not rightaway
20:32 indradg its a govt client.. which wants to play safe...
20:32 wizzyrea :) understandable
20:32 indradg once 3.4.x is out for a quarter they would
20:32 wimommy is there a way to delete multiple holds on different titles at one time?
20:32 wizzyrea you could take a look at the current version and try to cherry  pick the batch barcode bit
20:33 indradg i think i'll try that wizzyrea
20:33 wizzyrea wimommy: i'm not sure what you mean exactly
20:33 wizzyrea wimommy: do you mean item A has 6 holds, item B has 10 holds
20:33 wizzyrea you want a way to delete all 16 holds?
20:33 wizzyrea at one time?
20:33 wimommy I have a list of different titles that are on hold.  With the end of the school year, I want to delete those holds.  Is there a way to do this instead of going doing it individually on each title?
20:33 wizzyrea @quote get 123
20:33 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
20:33 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
20:34 wimommy wizzyrea: I'm on v. 3.01
20:34 wizzyrea hmmm
20:35 * rangi waves from the coffee shop
20:35 * wizzyrea waves at rangi
20:35 rangi 20 mins til meeting
20:35 rangi not in koha wimommy certainly not in really old koha either :)
20:35 wizzyrea wimommy: I don't think there's a way to do that through the UI
20:36 rangi but you could do it with a report to get a list, then some sql in the db
20:36 wimommy got it!  just had to ask! :D
20:36 rangi you could add an enhancement request at
20:36 wizzyrea yea, it might be a cool feature :)
20:36 wimommy I thought of that! Thanks!
20:36 rangi given a list of biblionumbers, cancel all holds
20:37 rangi I think ppl would use it
20:37 wizzyrea bib#'s, barcodes
20:37 wimommy oh no, what did I start! :)
20:37 wizzyrea it's always what happens when ppl have good ideas :)
20:37 rangi well nothing yet
20:37 rangi if u file a bug
20:37 rangi u will have :)
20:37 wizzyrea ^^ what he said
20:38 rangi otherwise this will scroll out of our brains :)
20:38 wizzyrea or hell, if you're at the end of the school year, you probably want to cancel *all* holds
20:38 wizzyrea it's the HOLD NUKE button!
20:38 wizzyrea oh oh no wait
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20:39 wimommy Wizzyrea, are you from Kansas?  I think we talked at KudoCon in Madison.
20:39 wizzyrea cancel all holds and notify the patron via email!
20:39 wizzyrea I am :)
20:39 rangi I think a list is safer
20:39 rangi that list can be all of course
20:39 rangi which u get from a report
20:40 wimommy yeah!  Thanks for your help.  Great visiting with you then.
20:40 rangi it could do a couple things
20:40 rangi nuke
20:40 rangi or suspend
20:40 wizzyrea ya thanks for popping in :)
20:40 wizzyrea do file a bug, it seems like what you want might be useful
20:41 wimommy Couldn't find it on the manual so came in here and asked!  Thanks for your help everybody!  End of the day, the rain is pouring, and it's time to go home!
20:42 wizzyrea wimommy: before you go... which institution are you from?
20:42 wizzyrea (to help me remember you)
20:42 wimommy D.C. Everest, central Wisconsin (Wausau area)
20:42 wizzyrea Aha! yes, now I remember :)
20:43 rangi ok I best get walking
20:43 rangi back later
20:43 wimommy night everyone - hope to pop in here again!
20:43 wizzyrea thanks :)
20:43 wizzyrea later!
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20:51 cait night all
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21:02 Space_Librarian morning #koha
21:02 slef evening:)
21:09 wizzyrea mornin Space_Librarian
21:11 rhcl afternoon
21:12 talljoy good day
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22:30 druthb o/
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22:52 pianohacker Good afternoon
22:55 Space_Librarian afternoon pianohacker
22:55 pianohacker Hello, Space_Librarian
23:01 druthb hi, pianohacker and Space_Librarian and Irma. :D
23:01 Space_Librarian hey druthb, Irma :)
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23:40 adnc I've changed the barcodes of my book items in the database table items.barcode. if I look into the items in koha i see that they still have the old barcode numbers but when i edit them than they get the new one
23:40 adnc is there  a way updating them all in once?
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23:44 pianohacker adnc: what version of Koha are you on?
23:44 adnc pianohacker, 3.2
23:45 pianohacker all right, good, we can work with that
23:45 pianohacker So, Koha 3.2 stores item information in two places for every item; a row in the items table and a 952 tag on the marc biblio
23:46 adnc ok
23:46 pianohacker You've changed it in the items table, which affects some things, but not in the marc, which affects others
23:46 pianohacker fortunately, there's a way to get them back in sync
23:46 adnc cool
23:46 pianohacker Lemme find it real quick
23:49 adnc sure
23:51 pianohacker Okay. If you run misc/maintenance/ --run-update, with KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB as normal, then the marc biblio will be brought back in sync, and all shall be well
23:57 adnc pianohacker, that did something
23:57 pianohacker The right something?
23:58 pianohacker adnc: If you're worried, you can post the output to
23:59 pastebot Someone at pasted "kutup: ... processed 100 recor" (10 lines) at
23:59 adnc thats mine
23:59 adnc pianohacker, I'm just checking if everything is ok

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