IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-09

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01:47 Space_Librarian silly question: does anybody know if there is a report out that has collated the number of libraries adopting open source ILS's by country for comparison?
01:52 druthb not that I know of, Space_Librarian.
01:53 * Space_Librarian sees a paper in the making.
01:53 Space_Librarian Thta's a shame, it would have come in handy for the abstract I'm writing. Thanks Ruth. :)
01:53 Space_Librarian that's*
02:43 rangi Space_Librarian: its mostly because no one knows
02:44 rangi hence
02:46 rangi the bug that i cant find, to allow for people to report they are using koha from their about page
02:48 rangi[…]he_Koha_community
02:54 wizzy_home oo that's a good idea
02:54 rangi yup
02:54 rangi its on my 'when i get time' list
02:55 rangi so someone needs to do it before 2028
02:55 rangi :)
02:55 rangi its not actually much to do really
02:59 wizzy_home are you thinking of a thing that gives them some form fields, a dump of the about page data, and registers that data somewhere or just a link to a place for ppl to register?
03:00 rangi the former
03:00 wahanui it has been said that the former is correct - i.e., you can change it, but then must run
03:00 wizzy_home forget the form
03:00 wizzy_home forget the former
03:00 wahanui wizzy_home: I forgot former
03:00 rangi so you click on 'register me' it prefils a form and you add/subtract from it and hit save, and it hits some webservice that saves the info in a db
03:01 wizzy_home right
03:12 rangi the spidering im less interested in, though that would be cool, mainly just a nice way for people if they want to show up in the list of koha users, to be able to do it
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03:57 bg evening all
03:58 rangi heya bg
04:04 bg @wunder 93109
04:04 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9�C (9:07 PM PDT on May 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 10 am PDT Monday...
04:05 bg yeah figured there was a wind advisory
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04:20 eythian wahanui: squirrels is <reply>I think you mean "sqrats"
04:20 wahanui OK, eythian.
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07:15 hdl Hi indradg yes you should search in that direction
07:16 indradg hdl, yeah... working on that, I've to generate an electoral list from among the members (all except child members)
07:16 indradg these members elect the library management board
07:17 hdl report then update SQL to add a new patronAttributeType to A and S members ;)
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07:23 kf good morning #koha
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08:02 * Oak waves
08:07 * kf waves
08:08 rangi evening
08:10 paul_p hi rangi & al
08:16 * indradg waves
08:22 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5740] spanish intranet dictionary file has a missing character <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5740> / [Bug 6277] CustomLog by default <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6277> / [Bug 5717] Some search results appear as "No Title" when zebraqueue is used instead <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5717>
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09:00 kf hi paul_p and rangi
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09:00 * kf is fighting with InDesign
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09:49 rangi[…]unity-simplified/
09:50 msun hi everybody
09:56 kf rangi: was about to copy the link here - cool read
09:56 kf lunch time
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09:58 msun Could anyone say  how to add searching keywords for a particular book
09:59 msun in koha
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10:30 druthb good morning, #koha. :)
10:30 rangi morning druthb
10:31 druthb :D
10:32 msun Could anyone say  in koha  "how to add keywords of a  book"
10:33 rangi msun: koha searching doesnt use keywords
10:34 rangi but if you want to store some, you could put them in one of the note fields (one of the 5xx fields in marc21)
10:34 rangi druthb: are you on the code4lib list?
10:35 druthb not at the moment, rangi; am I misisng something epic?
10:36 rangi naw, just elsevier trying to get people to code for free on their 'open' platform under the guise of a competition
10:40 druthb lol.
10:41 druthb That's like SirsiDynix talking about their "open" API, which you have to pay thousands of dollars to have access too--you can share code freely with others who have paid the thousands, so that makes it "open," you see.
10:42 rangi yeah, exactly like that :)
10:50 msun rangi: I had put keywords in 504 field in marc21. But I cant search out the book using these keywords.
10:50 kf_away hm probably 6xx fields are better
10:50 kf_away your keywords are about the topic of the book?
10:52 kf_away there is a field for uncontrolled subjects in 6xx...try 653
10:52 kf_away msun: when you are using zebra you have to make sure your records get reindexed by rebuild_zebra run as a cronjob
10:54 msun kf_away: ok i will check it
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11:19 msun kf_away: thank you very much.. it is working with 653
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11:22 kf_away msun: you are welcome
11:26 conan hello everybody
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11:43 kf_away jquery++
11:43 kf_away hi conan
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11:47 druthb kf++ #clever jquery-ing
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11:57 jcamins Good morning, #koha
11:57 kf_away search faq
11:57 kf_away search faq?
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11:57 kf_away hi jcamins :)
11:57 wizzyrea_away searching faq?
11:57 wahanui searching faq is, like, at[…]on/faq/searching/
11:57 kf_away thx liz
11:57 kf_away search faq is at[…]on/faq/searching/
11:57 * wizzyrea_away grins and waves sleepily
11:58 * kf_away sends you a cookie ;)
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12:03 druthb hi, wizzyrea_away.  :)
12:03 wizzyrea_away mornin
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12:05 francharb hi all
12:06 kf_away hi francharb :)
12:11 conan I got these settings on mysqld:
12:11 pastebot "conan" at pasted "problem with encoding" (12 lines) at
12:12 conan I go to Home › Administration › Patron Categories and define a category with a word with accent
12:13 conan Then I go to home > patrons and chose the deployable menu to create a new user
12:13 kf_away have you seen the mysql thing on the wiki?
12:13 conan and the accented word shows wrong
12:14 conan I check the encoding for the page, and it's utf8
12:14 conan change it to force it to iso88591 and then deployable menu shows right, but the rest of the page doesn't
12:14 wahanui conan: that doesn't look right
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12:14 conan so I think, there must saved it with wrong encoding on DB
12:15 conan so I do a dump of the particular table and file reports it's utf8
12:15 conan (!)
12:16 conan So to summarize: everything it's set for utf8, I'm not dealing with imported data, I'm creating it, the saved character set is utf8, but somehow when it's shown in the deployable menu, it gets wrong
12:16 conan kf_away: nope, but I'll look at it now...
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12:17 conan Hum... I think I don't got the apache bit, let's see...
12:21 conan nope, no luck
12:21 conan it seems this deployable menu is bewitched
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12:24 nengard is there anything going on with the git repo? I'm getting an error "Unable to look up (port 9418) "
12:24 nengard the website works though
12:25 jcamins That sounds like DNS.
12:25 wizzyrea_away its working for me
12:26 wizzyrea_away at least gitweb is
12:26 oleonard git fetch is working for me
12:26 wizzyrea_away is what dig tels me
12:26 jcamins It's working fine for me.
12:27 * jcamins blames Comcast on nengard's behalf
12:27 wizzyrea_away ^^
12:28 nengard jcamins i wouldn't be caught dead using comcast
12:28 nengard dropped them years ago cause they suck
12:29 wizzyrea_away verizon then >.>
12:29 nengard gonna do a restart cause i think it has to do with the public wifi networks i was on this weekend (they were acting wonky)
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12:34 nengard bingo
12:35 nengard not verizon's fault either ;) was stupid AT&T from Starbucks holding on to something on my computer
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13:34 kf_away slideshare?
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13:42 wizzyrea kf are you wanting the slideshare group?
13:45 kf_away yess...
13:45 kf_away screencasts are http://bywatersolutions.blip.t[…]w=archive&nsfw=dc
13:45 kf_away screencasts?
13:45 wahanui screencasts are http://bywatersolutions.blip.t[…]w=archive&nsfw=dc
13:46 wizzyrea slideshare is at
13:46 kf_away thx :)
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14:08 * druthb waves to rhcl
14:10 rhcl OH GUYS! This is really really important!
14:10 rhcl did gmcharlt break the news?
14:10 wizzyrea ?
14:10 gmcharlt ?
14:11 wizzyrea if it's that important perhaps he should do it :P
14:11 kf_away ?
14:11 rhcl well, he's had time by now.
14:11 wizzyrea uh uh not fair
14:11 * wizzyrea covers her eyes
14:11 * kf_away hides behind wizzyrea
14:12 * wizzyrea firmly believes that any news should come from the source, on their timeline
14:12 wizzyrea :P
14:13 rhcl Heck, it's open and published and everybody in my library is passing around the email notification.
14:13 gmcharlt Poplar Bluff?
14:14 rhcl MOBIUS has contracted with Equinox to assist with the installation and migration of Evergreen and will provide training for MOBIUS staff to fully host and manage the Evergreen system.
14:15 rhcl I would see this as a harbinger of things to come.
14:20 gmcharlt ah, yes
14:20 gmcharlt we're pretty excited
14:20 rhcl
14:21 rhcl I'd see this as a big foot in the door.
14:24 rhcl hi druthb et al
14:25 wizzyrea template_toolkit++
14:26 wizzyrea much easier to understand imo.
14:28 kf_away someone using serials?
14:28 kf_away I need help
14:29 kf_away I have a year that is supposed to rollover every 6 issues, and the issues are counted without rollover, starting at 215 in january
14:29 kf_away oh
14:29 kf_away and every 2 months a new issue
14:30 kf_away my years are not rolling over when I try to do that :(
14:33 wizzyrea grats we're doing it right (mostly) :)[…]unity-simplified/
14:35 wizzyrea nengard I'm having a dense moment
14:35 wizzyrea where do I add my preso to the slideshare group?
14:35 nengard not dense
14:35 nengard it's not straightforward
14:36 wizzyrea oh good :)
14:36 nengard on your presentation there is a link to 'more' in the top right
14:36 nengard click that
14:36 nengard and you can choose to send to a group
14:36 nengard it will show you the groups you belong to
14:36 wizzyrea Ohhhhh no, that is in no way straightforward
14:36 kf_away nengard: do you perhaps know how to do that subscription pattern in koha?
14:36 kf_away it's driving me insane :(
14:37 nengard kf_away i have a sample i think in the manual - but yeah it's so darn hard that's why i asked on list for examples to include in the manual
14:38 hdl nengard: Is MFHD more readable as of subscription pattern ?
14:38 kf_away but you think it shoudl be possible?
14:38 kf_away the years changing but the issue number going up?
14:38 nengard[…]ual-en/?ch=a14927
14:38 hdl kf that should be.
14:39 nengard hdl, i've never been a serials cataloger, so I don't know about MFHD either :(
14:39 nengard I was a monograph cataloger only
14:39 wizzyrea slideshare?
14:39 wahanui slideshare is at
14:40 hdl nengard: my experience is that MFHD is a nightmare and not only to read but also to implement.
14:41 gmcharlt forutnately, there's quite a bit of code in Evergreen for handling MFHDs that is general enough to turn into a generic Perl module
14:42 wizzyrea generic_perl_modules++
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14:45 rhcl is z39.71 specific to serials?
14:45 kf_away nengard++
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14:46 Oak \o
14:47 wizzyrea o/
14:47 druthb \o/
14:48 Oak <o/
14:48 Oak \o>
14:48 Oak Saturday night fever
14:48 druthb lol
14:48 Oak :)
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14:49 joethoklahominian wow! congratulations Galen!
14:49 wizzyrea \o/       ^o^      (o(        /o\ (Village People)
14:49 Oak hehe
14:50 gmcharlt :)
14:50 druthb wizzyrea++
14:50 Oak ^o^ that's the MJ Thriller move
14:51 wizzyrea haha
14:51 Oak me ++ too then?
14:51 druthb Oak++
14:51 wizzyrea oak++
14:51 Oak yay
14:51 wizzyrea the saturday night fever one alone
14:51 wizzyrea was worth karma
14:52 Oak hehe cool
14:52 Oak thanks!
14:52 kf_away nengard: doesn't work for me :(
14:52 nengard the sample serial doesn't work?
14:53 kf_away the sample serial works, but when I try to make it use my numbers I fail
14:53 kf_away my subscription starts 2011
14:53 kf_away year
14:53 nengard :(
14:53 kf_away and issue 215
14:53 nengard we need a serials expert to give me a ton of samples!!
14:54 kf_away I take it back
14:54 kf_away the example doesn't work too
14:55 kf_away the years are right, but the issues start again after six instead of going on forever
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14:58 margo good morning, all
14:58 kf_away hi margo
14:58 kf_away nengard: do you have an idea who I could ask about it?
14:58 margo does anyone know the status of partial payments?
14:59 wizzyrea i know the accounts rewrite is underway
14:59 wizzyrea and that it includes that
14:59 margo i saw that, is it absurd to ask when it might be ready?
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14:59 wizzyrea not absurd :)
14:59 margo my circ person is anxious
15:00 margo we go live in august
15:00 wizzyrea we may want to ask later today, as that's when the folks working on it will pop in
15:00 margo okay, i think it's too early, too
15:00 druthb Hi, margo! :D
15:00 margo hey ruth!
15:00 nengard can back up what margo is saying ... her circ person is very concerned
15:00 nengard kf_away :( no clue
15:00 margo thanks, nengard
15:01 * kf_away nick
15:01 wizzyrea my institution is pretty anxious for that one too
15:01 hdl kf_away: tell mee what you need. Will try to send you what you need.
15:01 nengard i have been trying for years to get some help on serials documentation - no luck
15:01 wizzyrea so you're not alone :)
15:01 nengard hdl++
15:01 nengard kf_away when you get that from hdl share the screenshots with me :) and I'll publish them
15:01 margo i'm glad i'm not alone :) here in the basement by myself
15:01 wizzyrea (though we discovered that it was less important than we initially thought it might be)
15:02 wizzyrea (but it sure would be "nice to have")
15:02 margo wizzyrea, what do you mean "less important"?
15:02 wizzyrea < live on koha for 3 years without it, and it's just in the "nice to have" column
15:02 wizzyrea not in the "omg must have it or else" column
15:02 margo so, no so much demand from patrons to partially pay?
15:02 wizzyrea apparently no
15:02 wizzyrea or they just work around it using credits
15:02 hdl nengard: sorry about that.
15:03 margo maybe i'll ask circ how much they really use it now...
15:03 wizzyrea i don't doubt that they use it
15:03 wizzyrea and that they use it often
15:03 wizzyrea because they likely do
15:04 wizzyrea for us it wasn't a superhugeomg problem.
15:05 margo ok, thanks :)
15:05 kf_away hdl: great!
15:05 kf_away phone call, give me a sec
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15:06 slef @marc 035
15:06 huginn slef: A control number of a system other than the one whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number), field 010 (Library of Congress Control Number) or field 016 (National Bibliographic Agency Control Number). (Repeatable) [a,z,6,8]
15:08 wizzyrea margo: I just talked to one of my coworkers here, they work around it using manual credits, so that's an avenue that may be available to you
15:08 wizzyrea if the dev isn't done by your go-live
15:09 wizzyrea please feel free to contact me if you need more info, I can give you the name of someone to contact at that library
15:09 nengard margo, that's how i showed it in training - the manual credit route
15:09 margo wizzyrea: thanks, i appreciate it
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15:10 margo nengard, now that you mention it i remember
15:10 nengard i could do a tutorial video on that if you think it will be helpful
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15:10 nengard margo there was so much crying that i think most people missed the fact that i gave you a way around it for now
15:10 margo maybe, she's going to train her new workers later in the summer, we'll see where we are in awhile
15:10 margo lol, :(
15:11 margo i think there was a lot missed, and i'm still not being spoken to, although i've gotten three emails this morning
15:12 margo nengard, since you're here...she's looking at the desciption of charges on the patron fine page and when she goes to print only the name and accoutn number of the patron show up--not the charges
15:12 * druthb boggles a little bit at "not being spoken to."
15:13 nengard print will only print the circ info - not the fine info
15:13 nengard so if the patron didn't check anything out today that's why the slip doesn't have anything on it
15:13 margo druthb, but you've met her
15:13 nengard to print fines, there is a link next to each fine line for printing
15:13 nengard let me find that part of the manual for you
15:14 nengard http://manual.koha-community.o[…].html#patronfines
15:14 margo nengard, well, now that you point it out, i see the "print" link
15:14 druthb yah, margo, and it still seems so out-of-character; she was always just so darn awesome to me, Before.
15:14 nengard there is a bug report on this topic - that you can only print one line at a time
15:14 nengard i can find that too
15:14 margo i'm obviously too sleepy to be working today
15:14 nengard bug 5655
15:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5655 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , printing of fines should support more than one line
15:14 margo nengard, that's okay, i'll show her how to print screen
15:15 nengard or bug 1232
15:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1232 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add Invoice/Credit/Fines Payed For Day on Issues (Print Page) (Print Slip)
15:15 nengard not sure why that says patch sent though ...
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15:30 kf_away nengard: once I figure it out I will share :)
15:30 kf_away or once hdl figures it out... I hope he does
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15:31 nengard awesome
15:32 hdl Will try that tonight.
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15:42 margod nengard, vicki (cataloger, remember her?:)) just emailed me asking about the "step by step cataloging outline" (her words, i recall it being more of a workflow document)
15:42 margod you said you would create for her
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15:43 wizzyrea boy I wish bz would allow you to set the importance/patch status when you added your attachment.
15:43 kf_away me too
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15:44 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6323] Attach/move items -- error handling cleanup <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6323>
15:46 kf_away ok, time to leave, talk to you later
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15:49 nengard wizzyrea i agree!!
15:49 wizzyrea ^.^
15:49 nengard annoying to have to update a bug report multiple times
15:50 wizzyrea it lets you take assignment there...
15:50 * wizzyrea mutters
15:51 nengard it does? I missed that (will look for it next time i attach)
15:52 wizzyrea it's at the very bottom of the form
15:54 nengard wizzyrea - how can i force an attach to fail?
15:54 nengard just use a wrong barcode?
15:54 nengard testing your patch now
15:54 wizzyrea yep
15:54 nengard k
15:54 wizzyrea fasdfasdfasdf works well :P
15:54 wizzyrea :)
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15:55 * wizzyrea reminds herself to add that kind of stuff next time
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16:50 indradg does changing the dateformat clear away the holiday calendar entries?
16:51 indradg nengard, ^
16:51 oleonard Changing the dateformat system preference will not remove calendar entries
16:51 indradg oleonard, hmmm....
16:51 nengard i don't think so
16:53 indradg oleonard, how is the sorting happening for the holiday list table? the date sorting is totally wrong (asc string style sort) when using dd/mm/yyyy (which is the default in india)
16:55 wizzyrea ok, I have a problem that I need input on
16:56 oleonard indradg: If you file a bug I'll work on a fix
16:58 wizzyrea
17:01 oleonard wizzyrea: It would certainly be better to have it do an interactive merge with the found record
17:02 indradg oleonard, it appears to be an outstanding issue from Nov 2009 -[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3806
17:02 huginn Bug 3806: minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , Holidays table doesn't order by date correcly
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17:05 oleonard indradg: I removed the patch-sent status and reassigned to myself
17:06 indradg oleonard, ++ :)
17:06 indradg just saw
17:06 wizzyrea it's not even that so much as it's not clear what exactly it's doing
17:07 wizzyrea and the button looks identical to the others, I think people would expect similar functionality
17:07 wizzyrea not even that I think so... I've seen it in action
17:07 oleonard indradg: There is a standard way of handling that kind of date sorting so hopefully it'll be easy to fix
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17:07 * cait waves
17:09 indradg hi cait
17:09 cait hi indradg
17:11 wizzyrea i'm trying to think of a label for that button, or something to add to the workflow to help indicate what it does
17:12 * jcamins suggests "Awesome!"
17:12 wizzyrea lol
17:12 wizzyrea :)
17:12 indradg ok! dumb question time... where exactly is category_type & its values A / C / S etc stored / defined?
17:12 jcamins Actually, I think we need one of those on every page.
17:12 wizzyrea it automatically sends an email to the list "Koha has delighted me today, thanks for your effort"
17:13 wizzyrea "love, <name of library catalog>
17:13 wizzyrea "
17:13 wizzyrea do note the lack of a "this sucks" button :P
17:14 wizzyrea indradg: I don't believe they're editable, I *think* those are hard coded -- so it's probably somewhere in C4
17:15 indradg wizzyrea, you be right - lib/C4/ $category->category_type
17:15 wizzyrea yay ^.^
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17:23 nengard got a pic from my hubby who has my girl with him at work:[…]36/in/photostream
17:25 indradg nengard, is she a collie or a husky?
17:25 nengard a sheltie
17:25 nengard an 18lb shetland sheedog
17:25 indradg aah
17:25 nengard sheepdog
17:26 nengard she's on his desk at work ... a husky might break the desk :)
17:26 indradg my wife is extremely fond of huskies... but it would be cruel to try and bring one to india
17:27 indradg heh... i can imagine...
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17:54 nengard my dad has a husky
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18:48 oleonard Should 005 be updated whenever a MARC record is edited?
18:48 rangi there was a patch to do just that
18:49 oleonard I was just noticing that the field in the editor updates if you click in it and wondered if it should do so without user interaction.
18:49 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
18:49 oleonard So it's happening in the background now either way?
18:49 druthb Hi, magnuse!
18:50 magnuse hiya druthb and #koha
18:50 rangi oleonard: cant recall if that was signed off and pushed
18:50 magnuse heh, that's one relaxed doggie ;-)
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18:51 oleonard Yeah, seems to have been rangi
18:51 oleonard I see that 005 is being udpated without user interaction
18:52 hdl oleonard: are you talking about authorities ?
18:52 oleonard hdl: No, regular biblios
18:53 oleonard The onsubmit validation routine should probably trigger that auto-population js so that the user doesn't get a warning in case that field is empty
18:53 wizy_lunch is now known as wizzyrea
18:54 hdl ok.
18:55 rangi oleonard: good idea
18:56 nengard magnuse,she's used to going to work now :)
18:59 magnuse nengard: good for her! ;-)
18:59 nengard yup
19:04 cait himagnuse :)
19:04 cait how was training?
19:06 magnuse not to bad, i think
19:07 magnuse considere these were teacher-librarians with little training and little time for their libraries...
19:07 magnuse s/considere/considering/
19:08 rhcl ping wizzyrea: watcha doing?
19:08 wizzyrea nuttin
19:08 rhcl wanna chat about libki?
19:08 wizzyrea sure
19:08 rhcl maybe we should go off channel?  #libki ??
19:08 cait magnuse: what did you do today, circ?
19:09 oleonard Not much happening around here rhcl
19:09 magnuse cait: opac, patrons, circ, simple cataloguing
19:10 wizzyrea sure
19:11 * jcamins curses bug 5958.
19:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5958 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Availability Limit with icu
19:11 * cait agrees
19:14 oleonard Is that a zebra issue?
19:15 rangi highly unlikely
19:15 rangi most likely zebra is doing exactly what we tell it to do
19:15 rangi and we are telling it do dumb things
19:15 * oleonard shakes his fist at obedient zebra
19:16 jcamins oleonard: having looked at, and record.abs, I think probably it's a stupid issue.
19:16 rangi that seems to be the root of most of the search issues
19:16 * rangi goes to make breakfast bbiab
19:19 cait jcamins: run
19:20 cait you are in danger - someone will suggest rewriting soon ;)
19:20 jcamins cait: what, again?
19:21 cait hm?
19:21 jcamins cait: someone's going to suggest it again?
19:21 cait yep, but youmight get volunteered
19:21 cait :)
19:25 rhcl anybody have any comments on using a local server vs. a distributed database for something like a public access control system?
19:25 jcamins A what?
19:25 oleonard Define distributed database?
19:25 jcamins And public access control system.
19:28 wizzyrea a la envisionware
19:28 jcamins Ah.
19:28 wizzyrea patron computer control
19:28 jcamins Got it.
19:28 jcamins Oh.
19:28 jcamins hdl: thanks for pointing that out.
19:28 hdl jcamins: what ?
19:29 jcamins Aren't you
19:29 jcamins The comment on bug 5958.
19:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5958 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Availability Limit with icu
19:29 hdl I am.
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19:30 hdl But this is just mentioning a workaround. And a deep bug we have been struggling with for some time... before deciding to just switch to solr.
19:30 jcamins hdl: yes, but you just saved me spending hours only to have the Availability limit still be useful.
19:31 hdl jcamins: if you knew how hard we tried and how many things we tried...
19:32 jcamins hdl: just think how many things I now know *not* to try.
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19:33 magnuse sharing++
19:33 hdl there is one solution we have not tried... Adding some new inner subfield which would record 0 1 that would define availability... ... But then again, availability needs to be defined.
19:34 hdl You could take a look at the we did for solr.
19:34 hdl as a first step
19:34 jcamins Hm.
19:35 jcamins Pity this isn't easier.
19:35 jcamins Incidentally...
19:35 jcamins DOM++ # I could do this with DOM
19:36 indradg hdl, thanks for the prod in the direction of IntranetUserJS this morning (my time)... my use-case of conditionally switching on | off ExtendedPatronAttributes is working very nicely with jQuery :)
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19:39 hdl jcamins: we could have done many things with DOM... But so hard to edit and play with and adapt to user requirements.
19:40 hdl indradg: you're welcome
19:45 indradg :)
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20:04 jcamins hdl: how do you do RPN queries?
20:04 jcamins cql=?
20:04 cait rpn?
20:04 wahanui well, rpn is worse than RPG
20:04 hdl pqf=
20:05 oleonard Always helpful, wahanui
20:05 wahanui oleonard: i'm not following you...
20:05 jcamins hdl: thanks.
20:05 hdl But that is not passed from one page to another.
20:05 rhcl I wonder if RPG is easier in Hindi than English?
20:05 hdl well i saw some problems with that.
20:06 hdl RPG = Role Playing Games .... ahhh nostlagy D&D
20:07 rhcl well, I was thinking Report Program Generator :)
20:08 rhcl which is right-justified, and as I understand it, Hindi is written right-to-left. But probably best to disregard, just my casual thoughts of little importance.  :)
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20:10 hdl rangi: around ? how have you passed authentications through the circulation module when you made circulation module work with Plack ?
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20:10 rangi sorry?
20:11 rangi sessions and cookies
20:11 hdl rangi: you told me that you had used Plack for circulation.
20:11 rangi yes
20:11 rangi I didn't change anything
20:11 rangi just ngnix in front
20:12 rangi passing requests to either plack or apache
20:12 rangi same cookies/sessions shared by both
20:12 hdl I am testing that on the catalogue part. and apache is loosing the authentication.
20:13 rangi hmm I didn't run into that
20:13 rangi how are u storing sessions?
20:13 jcamins cait++
20:14 cait magnuse++
20:14 rangi mysql?
20:14 wahanui i think mysql is currently limited to 100MB of RAM.
20:14 cait for being very patient
20:14 hdl no special storing for sessions.
20:14 rangi right but mysql or memcached eh?
20:14 magnuse cait++ # for sharing
20:14 rangi not temp files?
20:14 hdl no.
20:15 rangi and the cookie is being set in the browser?
20:15 hdl That could be the problem.
20:15 hdl Yes.
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20:16 rangi if temp files could be permissions
20:16 rangi id switch to memcached if you are running 3.4
20:16 rangi much faster anyway
20:16 hdl but the cookie is lost.
20:16 rangi or mysql if not
20:16 rangi ahhh
20:17 rangi so something is deleting the cookie? hmm
20:17 hdl ok. I wanted to know how you did.
20:17 rangi not at my computer at the mo, but I certainly dont remember running into this, weird
20:17 hdl You did something differet.
20:18 hdl But ok.
20:18 rangi didn't do anything special
20:18 hdl thanks anyway
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20:18 rangi np ill check when I get to work
20:19 rangi and email if I find anything
20:19 rangi but its not ringing any bells
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20:19 rangi one guess is different cookie domains?
20:20 * rangi makes things up
20:21 rangi ok time for some cuban coffee bbiab
20:26 cait hm
20:26 cait is there a trick I could use to make git accept the patch attached to bug 5260?
20:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5260 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW , It would be nice if Koha's Acquisition module could order by email
20:28 cait lookin gat the fle names probably not
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20:30 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5260] It would be nice if Koha's Acquisition module could order by email <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5260>
20:33 rangi back
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20:33 cait hm
20:33 cait it lookslike it still could work, but I have problems finding the right place for thecode in the files
20:34 rangi looking now cait
20:34 cait cool - thx rangi
20:35 rangi what a cool feature
20:36 rangi cait: thats a diff, not a git diff
20:36 cait yep
20:36 rangi if you give me a few mins ill try to reformat it into a git patch
20:36 cait :)
20:36 cait rangi: thx!
20:37 rangi note the word try :)
20:37 cait I promised the author to test it along time ago :( and I hope I can perhaps make it work
20:38 rangi heres how im going to do it, i will check out an old version of koha, from about sept 2010
20:39 rangi try to apply the patch
20:39 cait I tried to apply it to a new branch, but it told me unknown format
20:39 rangi commit it, try to cherry pick to master, fix the tmpl to tt and make a patch
20:39 rangi you can use git am
20:39 rangi but patch
20:39 cait Patch format detection failed.
20:40 rangi patch -p1 < filename
20:40 rangi or p0
20:40 rangi thats what i am going to attempt anyway :)
20:40 cait git patch -p1 < filename?
20:40 rangi no
20:41 rangi no git
20:41 rangi its not a git patch, but a standard unix patch file
20:41 rangi (it wont apply on master, its out of date)
20:42 rangi do you want me to note here exactly what i am trying?
20:43 magnuse we could put it on the wiki if it works...
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20:45 rangi so heres what i did
20:45 rangi git checkout `git rev-list -n 1 --before="2010-09-29" master`
20:45 rangi that gets me the first commit before that day
20:46 rangi im in detached mode, so any changes i make will be lost
20:46 rangi but thats ok, i can check out a real branch if it works
20:46 cait sorry, was brushing my teeth - back and reading now
20:46 cait detached mode?
20:47 rangi ive not on a branch, i just checked out a single point in time, but didnt make a branch
20:47 rangi i do that when im doing things that im not sure will work
20:47 rangi patch faild
20:48 rangi patch -p1 < attachment.cgi\?id=2653
20:48 rangi patching file intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/
20:48 rangi Hunk #1 FAILED at 248.
20:48 rangi Hunk #2 FAILED at 383.
20:48 rangi 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/
20:48 rangi etc
20:48 rangi so i now looked at the patch more closely
20:48 rangi --- ./intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/ba​ 11:17:09.000000000 +0200
20:48 rangi right, so ill try a copy of that file from before the 17th
20:49 rangi still fail
20:49 rangi so now im wondering .. was it on 3.0.x branch
20:49 rangi trying that
20:50 rangi no joy there either
20:51 cait oh :(
20:51 rangi ah ha
20:51 rangi i have discovered the problem
20:51 rangi /intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/
20:51 rangi duh
20:51 cait it should be at lest 3.2 because we didn't have basketgroups before that
20:51 rangi the paths are all wrong
20:52 rangi the path was generated from out of the installed tree
20:52 rangi right, will checkout master from that date
20:52 rangi and try editing the paths by hand
20:53 rangi have about 20 more mins before i have to start work, its a race :)
20:53 * wizzyrea cheers rangi on
20:53 rangi that worked
20:53 wizzyrea ^.^
20:54 rangi so what i did was
20:54 rangi ./intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/ becomes ./acqui/
20:54 rangi etc
20:55 rangi git checkout `git rev-list -n 1 --before="2010-09-17" master`
20:56 rangi edit the patch
20:56 rangi rorohiko:[git/29d17ca...-]:~/git/koha% patch -p0 < attachment.cgi\?id=2653
20:56 rangi patching file ./acqui/
20:56 rangi Hunk #1 succeeded at 247 (offset -1 lines).
20:56 rangi Hunk #2 succeeded at 547 with fuzz 1 (offset -1 lines).
20:56 rangi patching file ./tools/
20:56 rangi patching file ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/js/acq.js
20:56 rangi patching file ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/e​n/modules/acqui/basketgroup.tmpl
20:56 rangi patching file ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog​/en/modules/tools/letter.tmpl
20:56 rangi success
20:56 rangi 5260
20:57 rangi now i have a git commit
20:57 rangi[…]70df78950a9527e73
20:58 rangi phase 2, get it to a shape that could apply to master
20:59 rangi git checkout -b rebaseing_5260 kc/master
20:59 rangi git cherry-pick 98155fdd4f64bf172a7c8b570df78950a9527e73
20:59 rangi conflicts kabloom (as expected)
21:00 rangi im going to reformat as 2 patches, first one just the .pl changes
21:00 rangi second patch the .tt ones
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21:01 cait wow
21:01 cait rangi++ for being so awesome
21:02 cait and I got stuck at editing the first file... :)
21:02 rangi heh, its not awesome, its just practice i have to do this lots :)
21:04 rangi running all the unit tests now
21:04 aogle Any good documentation on Sip2 and Koha?  Attempting to understand it.
21:05 rhcl the koha docs for sip really don't break out the process for conducting a sip query
21:05 cait it's still awesome, even if you deny it :)
21:05 wizzyrea ^^
21:05 wizzyrea ;)
21:06 cait wizzyrea: do you agree?
21:06 wizzyrea yes, very
21:06 * magnuse too
21:10 rhcl wizzyrea: what are the two control characters at the end of a SIP query? one was a "\n" if i remember correctly, and there's another one which is .....?
21:11 wizzyrea i bet that's in the IRC logs, rhcl
21:11 wizzyrea I don't remember
21:11 wizzyrea sorry >.<
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21:12 magnuse g'night #koha
21:13 magnuse is now known as magnus_away
21:13 cait goo dnight magnuse
21:14 * cait sees the first patch and cheers
21:17 rangi now to do the tt one
21:17 rangi (sorry got distracted by work hehe)
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21:20 rangi racing racing
21:22 rhcl on this page:[…]/sip2-integration - would it be useful to have a link for the compatable systems?
21:22 wizzyrea no
21:23 wizzyrea because that site is not maintained.
21:23 jcamins More useful would be to have that in the manual.
21:23 rhcl ah, dA**, didn't even notice that!
21:23 wizzyrea there may be a place ion the wiki
21:23 wizzyrea in*
21:23 rhcl I was on the wrong site. Me sorry
21:23 wizzyrea all good :)
21:23 jcamins nengard looks forward to receiving your suggested revisions. :P
21:23 * wizzyrea wishes rhcl luck with DocBook
21:24 wizzyrea wait
21:24 wizzyrea that's discouraging
21:24 wizzyrea strike that
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21:24 jcamins I think maybe we need some sort of "namespace" for itemnumbers and biblionumbers.
21:24 rangi its not that hard, francois even figured it out
21:24 cait thinking about that article? :)
21:24 rangi (i can say that cos he isnt in at work yet :))
21:25 wizzyrea I readily encourage you to explore DocBook, for the good of yourself and that of the community
21:25 rangi (did you all note that francois set a patch for the manual, with his patches for the code!)
21:25 wizzyrea :D
21:25 wizzyrea that *is* pretty epic
21:25 wizzyrea not many do that
21:25 cait probably the first one ever
21:25 * jcamins just tells nengard what to write.
21:25 wizzyrea does he have an IRC nick we can give karma to? :P
21:25 * jcamins loathes Docbook with the strength of a thousand suns.
21:26 rangi fmarier++
21:26 cait fmarier++
21:26 jcamins fmarier++
21:26 cait rangi: patch applied ;
21:26 cait )
21:26 wizzyrea fmarier++
21:27 cait wizzyrea: I like that song from your tweet
21:27 wizzyrea I know!
21:27 * wizzyrea points at rangi
21:27 wizzyrea it's his fault
21:27 cait a lot of things are his fault :)
21:28 rangi patch 2 done
21:28 cait thx a lot rangi!
21:28 cait rangi++
21:31 cait ah
21:31 cait it broke
21:31 cait trying to figure it out
21:31 cait unhappy about that: Global symbol "@SQLfieldname"
21:32 rangi i didnt promise it would work :-)
21:33 cait nope
21:33 cait but you gave me something to work with :)
21:33 rangi +eval "use Mail::Sendmail";
21:33 rangi i dont like this stuff either
21:34 cait hint?
21:34 rangi :)
21:35 cait is it really bad or only at the wrong place?
21:36 rangi wrong place, but i wouldnt fail the patch on that, because it is just following the trend set by the rest of the script
21:37 rangi i think will need some work though
21:37 rhcl SIP anybody? A SIP query contains a field like "6300120110509", which is "6300" + a DTG (date time group). What is the 6300? Just a field/packet header?
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21:37 Space_Librarian morning #koha :)
21:38 rangi not sure it needs the SQLfieldname ifs at all
21:38 rangi or if its just missing a my @SQLfieldname
21:38 cait I was wondering about that
21:39 cait but it seems he only added one more to a bunch of constructs like these
21:39 rangi hmm no he added them all
21:39 rangi actually its not used
21:40 cait the my line fixed it
21:40 rangi[…]hment.cgi?id=4067
21:40 jcamins Good night, #koha
21:40 jcamins is now known as jcamins_away
21:40 rangi yeah it will, but they arent actually used
21:40 rangi so we could just take them out
21:40 rangi ie it sets @SQLfieldname
21:40 rangi but then does nothing with it
21:41 cait ah
21:41 cait so I will kill i
21:41 cait t
21:41 rangi yeah
21:41 rangi if you look at the bottom of that patch
21:41 cait[…]hment.cgi?id=2653
21:42 cait there I only see the orders part
21:42 rangi yep, he added it to a thing that has since been removed, so that was the conflict
21:42 cait makes sense
21:43 rangi so id take them out, since they arent being used by anything
21:43 cait I see galen's commit did it
21:50 cait ok, fixed it (I hope) - notice is added, now going to order something :)
21:50 rangi :)
21:51 cait ok
21:51 cait checking message_queue... exciting
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21:53 cait not in there :(
22:01 cait ah
22:01 * cait is still investigating but had the wrong name for her letter
22:01 cait ordermail not orderemail
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22:08 cait hi Irma :)
22:10 Irma Hi cait ... G'day from downunder!
22:11 cait Greetings from the other side :)
22:12 eythian spooky!
22:13 * Irma away answering the phone
22:14 cait hi eythian :)
22:14 cait bug?
22:14 wahanui hmmm... bug is always bad news, particularly if you haven't filed it yet.
22:14 * cait hides
22:14 cait wahanui++
22:14 eythian cait: in the middle of a dual migration at present...:)
22:14 cait excuses...
22:14 wahanui cait: IRQ dropout
22:15 cait and just that you know, i saw that! germ?
22:15 eythian hah
22:15 eythian hehe
22:15 eythian wahanui: germs?
22:15 wahanui germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
22:15 Space_Librarian lol
22:15 eythian cool points to anyone who knows the reference (without searching)
22:19 eythian I guess no one is cool enough for cool points...
22:19 rhcl so you're going to enlighten us?
22:20 eythian <-- rhcl, cait
22:22 cait !
22:22 rhcl ahhhh! Poor subject that Ashley!
22:23 rhcl gross
22:23 eythian quite
22:40 cait rangi: seems it didn't work because I can't send mails directly - I made it go into message_queue now to see how the mails look like
22:40 cait rangi: I think it still needs some tweaking, but perhaps I can figure it out :)
22:41 cait ok, I have an entry in my message queue - time to sleep
22:43 rhcl is now known as rhcl_away
22:44 cait bye all
22:46 aogle wizzyrea, Just wanted to let you know.  I did finally get SIP2 / koha by writing a python script.
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