Time Nick Message 00:22 rangi bags not 01:47 Space_Librarian silly question: does anybody know if there is a report out that has collated the number of libraries adopting open source ILS's by country for comparison? 01:52 druthb not that I know of, Space_Librarian. 01:53 * Space_Librarian sees a paper in the making. 01:53 Space_Librarian Thta's a shame, it would have come in handy for the abstract I'm writing. Thanks Ruth. :) 01:53 Space_Librarian that's* 02:43 rangi Space_Librarian: its mostly because no one knows 02:44 rangi hence 02:46 rangi the bug that i cant find, to allow for people to report they are using koha from their about page 02:48 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Add_a_button_to_the_intranet_for_registering_with_the_Koha_community 02:54 wizzy_home oo that's a good idea 02:54 rangi yup 02:54 rangi its on my 'when i get time' list 02:55 rangi so someone needs to do it before 2028 02:55 rangi :) 02:55 rangi its not actually much to do really 02:59 wizzy_home are you thinking of a thing that gives them some form fields, a dump of the about page data, and registers that data somewhere or just a link to a place for ppl to register? 03:00 rangi the former 03:00 wahanui it has been said that the former is correct - i.e., you can change it, but then must run batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl 03:00 wizzy_home forget the form 03:00 wizzy_home forget the former 03:00 wahanui wizzy_home: I forgot former 03:00 rangi so you click on 'register me' it prefils a form and you add/subtract from it and hit save, and it hits some webservice that saves the info in a db 03:01 wizzy_home right 03:12 rangi the spidering im less interested in, though that would be cool, mainly just a nice way for people if they want to show up in the list of koha users, to be able to do it 03:57 bg evening all 03:58 rangi heya bg 04:04 bg @wunder 93109 04:04 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9�C (9:07 PM PDT on May 08, 2011). 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Wind Advisory in effect until 10 am PDT Monday... 04:05 bg yeah figured there was a wind advisory 04:20 eythian wahanui: squirrels is <reply>I think you mean "sqrats" 04:20 wahanui OK, eythian. 07:15 hdl Hi indradg yes you should search in that direction 07:16 indradg hdl, yeah... working on that, I've to generate an electoral list from among the members (all except child members) 07:16 indradg these members elect the library management board 07:17 hdl report then update SQL to add a new patronAttributeType to A and S members ;) 07:23 kf good morning #koha 08:02 * Oak waves 08:07 * kf waves 08:08 rangi evening 08:10 paul_p hi rangi & al 08:16 * indradg waves 08:22 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5740] spanish intranet dictionary file has a missing character <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5740> / [Bug 6277] CustomLog by default <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6277> / [Bug 5717] Some search results appear as "No Title" when zebraqueue is used instead rebuild_zebra.pl <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5717> 09:00 kf hi paul_p and rangi 09:00 * kf is fighting with InDesign 09:49 rangi http://www.codesimplicity.com/post/open-source-community-simplified/ 09:50 msun hi everybody 09:56 kf rangi: was about to copy the link here - cool read 09:56 kf lunch time 09:58 msun Could anyone say how to add searching keywords for a particular book 09:59 msun in koha 10:30 druthb good morning, #koha. :) 10:30 rangi morning druthb 10:31 druthb :D 10:32 msun Could anyone say in koha "how to add keywords of a book" 10:33 rangi msun: koha searching doesnt use keywords 10:34 rangi but if you want to store some, you could put them in one of the note fields (one of the 5xx fields in marc21) 10:34 rangi druthb: are you on the code4lib list? 10:35 druthb not at the moment, rangi; am I misisng something epic? 10:36 rangi naw, just elsevier trying to get people to code for free on their 'open' platform under the guise of a competition 10:40 druthb lol. 10:41 druthb That's like SirsiDynix talking about their "open" API, which you have to pay thousands of dollars to have access too--you can share code freely with others who have paid the thousands, so that makes it "open," you see. 10:42 rangi yeah, exactly like that :) 10:50 msun rangi: I had put keywords in 504 field in marc21. But I cant search out the book using these keywords. 10:50 kf_away hm probably 6xx fields are better 10:50 kf_away your keywords are about the topic of the book? 10:52 kf_away there is a field for uncontrolled subjects in 6xx...try 653 10:52 kf_away msun: when you are using zebra you have to make sure your records get reindexed by rebuild_zebra run as a cronjob 10:54 msun kf_away: ok i will check it 11:19 msun kf_away: thank you very much.. it is working with 653 11:22 kf_away msun: you are welcome 11:26 conan hello everybody 11:43 kf_away jquery++ 11:43 kf_away hi conan 11:47 druthb kf++ #clever jquery-ing 11:57 jcamins Good morning, #koha 11:57 kf_away search faq 11:57 kf_away search faq? 11:57 kf_away hi jcamins :) 11:57 wizzyrea_away searching faq? 11:57 wahanui searching faq is, like, at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 11:57 kf_away thx liz 11:57 kf_away search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 11:57 * wizzyrea_away grins and waves sleepily 11:58 * kf_away sends you a cookie ;) 12:03 druthb hi, wizzyrea_away. :) 12:03 wizzyrea_away mornin 12:05 francharb hi all 12:06 kf_away hi francharb :) 12:11 conan I got these settings on mysqld: 12:11 pastebot "conan" at 190.220.130.20 pasted "problem with encoding" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/40 12:12 conan I go to Home › Administration › Patron Categories and define a category with a word with accent 12:13 conan Then I go to home > patrons and chose the deployable menu to create a new user 12:13 kf_away have you seen the mysql thing on the wiki? 12:13 conan and the accented word shows wrong 12:14 conan I check the encoding for the page, and it's utf8 12:14 conan change it to force it to iso88591 and then deployable menu shows right, but the rest of the page doesn't 12:14 wahanui conan: that doesn't look right 12:14 conan so I think, there must saved it with wrong encoding on DB 12:15 conan so I do a dump of the particular table and file reports it's utf8 12:15 conan (!) 12:16 conan So to summarize: everything it's set for utf8, I'm not dealing with imported data, I'm creating it, the saved character set is utf8, but somehow when it's shown in the deployable menu, it gets wrong 12:16 conan kf_away: nope, but I'll look at it now... 12:17 conan Hum... I think I don't got the apache bit, let's see... 12:21 conan nope, no luck 12:21 conan it seems this deployable menu is bewitched 12:24 nengard is there anything going on with the git repo? I'm getting an error "Unable to look up git.koha-community.org (port 9418) " 12:24 nengard the website works though 12:25 jcamins That sounds like DNS. 12:25 wizzyrea_away its working for me 12:26 wizzyrea_away at least gitweb is 12:26 oleonard git fetch is working for me 12:26 wizzyrea_away git.koha-community.org. 3600 IN A 174.143.233.17 is what dig tels me 12:26 jcamins It's working fine for me. 12:27 * jcamins blames Comcast on nengard's behalf 12:27 wizzyrea_away ^^ 12:28 nengard jcamins i wouldn't be caught dead using comcast 12:28 nengard dropped them years ago cause they suck 12:29 wizzyrea_away verizon then >.> 12:29 nengard gonna do a restart cause i think it has to do with the public wifi networks i was on this weekend (they were acting wonky) 12:34 nengard bingo 12:35 nengard not verizon's fault either ;) was stupid AT&T from Starbucks holding on to something on my computer 13:34 kf_away slideshare? 13:42 wizzyrea kf are you wanting the slideshare group? 13:45 kf_away yess... 13:45 kf_away screencasts are http://bywatersolutions.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc 13:45 kf_away screencasts? 13:45 wahanui screencasts are http://bywatersolutions.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc 13:46 wizzyrea slideshare is at http://www.slideshare.net/group/koha-ils 13:46 kf_away thx :) 14:08 * druthb waves to rhcl 14:10 rhcl OH GUYS! This is really really important! 14:10 rhcl did gmcharlt break the news? 14:10 wizzyrea ? 14:10 gmcharlt ? 14:11 wizzyrea if it's that important perhaps he should do it :P 14:11 kf_away ? 14:11 rhcl well, he's had time by now. 14:11 wizzyrea uh uh not fair 14:11 * wizzyrea covers her eyes 14:11 * kf_away hides behind wizzyrea 14:12 * wizzyrea firmly believes that any news should come from the source, on their timeline 14:12 wizzyrea :P 14:13 rhcl Heck, it's open and published and everybody in my library is passing around the email notification. 14:13 gmcharlt Poplar Bluff? 14:14 rhcl MOBIUS has contracted with Equinox to assist with the installation and migration of Evergreen and will provide training for MOBIUS staff to fully host and manage the Evergreen system. 14:15 rhcl I would see this as a harbinger of things to come. 14:20 gmcharlt ah, yes 14:20 gmcharlt we're pretty excited 14:20 rhcl http://mobiusconsortium.org/ 14:21 rhcl I'd see this as a big foot in the door. 14:24 rhcl hi druthb et al 14:25 wizzyrea template_toolkit++ 14:26 wizzyrea much easier to understand imo. 14:28 kf_away someone using serials? 14:28 kf_away I need help 14:29 kf_away I have a year that is supposed to rollover every 6 issues, and the issues are counted without rollover, starting at 215 in january 14:29 kf_away oh 14:29 kf_away and every 2 months a new issue 14:30 kf_away my years are not rolling over when I try to do that :( 14:33 wizzyrea grats we're doing it right (mostly) :) http://www.codesimplicity.com/post/open-source-community-simplified/ 14:35 wizzyrea nengard I'm having a dense moment 14:35 wizzyrea where do I add my preso to the slideshare group? 14:35 nengard not dense 14:35 nengard it's not straightforward 14:36 wizzyrea oh good :) 14:36 nengard on your presentation there is a link to 'more' in the top right 14:36 nengard click that 14:36 nengard and you can choose to send to a group 14:36 nengard it will show you the groups you belong to 14:36 wizzyrea Ohhhhh no, that is in no way straightforward 14:36 kf_away nengard: do you perhaps know how to do that subscription pattern in koha? 14:36 kf_away it's driving me insane :( 14:37 nengard kf_away i have a sample i think in the manual - but yeah it's so darn hard that's why i asked on list for examples to include in the manual 14:38 hdl nengard: Is MFHD more readable as of subscription pattern ? 14:38 kf_away but you think it shoudl be possible? 14:38 kf_away the years changing but the issue number going up? 14:38 nengard http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=a14927 14:38 hdl kf that should be. 14:39 nengard hdl, i've never been a serials cataloger, so I don't know about MFHD either :( 14:39 nengard I was a monograph cataloger only 14:39 wizzyrea slideshare? 14:39 wahanui slideshare is at http://www.slideshare.net/group/koha-ils 14:40 hdl nengard: my experience is that MFHD is a nightmare and not only to read but also to implement. 14:41 gmcharlt forutnately, there's quite a bit of code in Evergreen for handling MFHDs that is general enough to turn into a generic Perl module 14:42 wizzyrea generic_perl_modules++ 14:45 rhcl is z39.71 specific to serials? 14:45 kf_away nengard++ 14:46 Oak \o 14:47 wizzyrea o/ 14:47 druthb \o/ 14:48 Oak <o/ 14:48 Oak \o> 14:48 Oak Saturday night fever 14:48 druthb lol 14:48 Oak :) 14:49 joethoklahominian wow! congratulations Galen! 14:49 wizzyrea \o/ ^o^ (o( /o\ (Village People) 14:49 Oak hehe 14:50 gmcharlt :) 14:50 druthb wizzyrea++ 14:50 Oak ^o^ that's the MJ Thriller move 14:51 wizzyrea haha 14:51 Oak me ++ too then? 14:51 druthb Oak++ 14:51 wizzyrea oak++ 14:51 Oak yay 14:51 wizzyrea the saturday night fever one alone 14:51 wizzyrea was worth karma 14:52 Oak hehe cool 14:52 Oak thanks! 14:52 kf_away nengard: doesn't work for me :( 14:52 nengard the sample serial doesn't work? 14:53 kf_away the sample serial works, but when I try to make it use my numbers I fail 14:53 kf_away my subscription starts 2011 14:53 kf_away year 14:53 nengard :( 14:53 kf_away and issue 215 14:53 nengard we need a serials expert to give me a ton of samples!! 14:54 kf_away I take it back 14:54 kf_away the example doesn't work too 14:55 kf_away the years are right, but the issues start again after six instead of going on forever 14:58 margo good morning, all 14:58 kf_away hi margo 14:58 kf_away nengard: do you have an idea who I could ask about it? 14:58 margo does anyone know the status of partial payments? 14:59 wizzyrea i know the accounts rewrite is underway 14:59 wizzyrea and that it includes that 14:59 margo i saw that, is it absurd to ask when it might be ready? 14:59 wizzyrea not absurd :) 14:59 margo my circ person is anxious 15:00 margo we go live in august 15:00 wizzyrea we may want to ask later today, as that's when the folks working on it will pop in 15:00 margo okay, i think it's too early, too 15:00 druthb Hi, margo! :D 15:00 margo hey ruth! 15:00 nengard can back up what margo is saying ... her circ person is very concerned 15:00 nengard kf_away :( no clue 15:00 margo thanks, nengard 15:01 * kf_away nick 15:01 wizzyrea my institution is pretty anxious for that one too 15:01 hdl kf_away: tell mee what you need. Will try to send you what you need. 15:01 nengard i have been trying for years to get some help on serials documentation - no luck 15:01 wizzyrea so you're not alone :) 15:01 nengard hdl++ 15:01 nengard kf_away when you get that from hdl share the screenshots with me :) and I'll publish them 15:01 margo i'm glad i'm not alone :) here in the basement by myself 15:01 wizzyrea (though we discovered that it was less important than we initially thought it might be) 15:02 wizzyrea (but it sure would be "nice to have") 15:02 margo wizzyrea, what do you mean "less important"? 15:02 wizzyrea < live on koha for 3 years without it, and it's just in the "nice to have" column 15:02 wizzyrea not in the "omg must have it or else" column 15:02 margo so, no so much demand from patrons to partially pay? 15:02 wizzyrea apparently no 15:02 wizzyrea or they just work around it using credits 15:02 hdl nengard: sorry about that. 15:03 margo maybe i'll ask circ how much they really use it now... 15:03 wizzyrea i don't doubt that they use it 15:03 wizzyrea and that they use it often 15:03 wizzyrea because they likely do 15:04 wizzyrea for us it wasn't a superhugeomg problem. 15:05 margo ok, thanks :) 15:05 kf_away hdl: great! 15:05 kf_away phone call, give me a sec 15:06 slef @marc 035 15:06 huginn slef: A control number of a system other than the one whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number), field 010 (Library of Congress Control Number) or field 016 (National Bibliographic Agency Control Number). (Repeatable) [a,z,6,8] 15:08 wizzyrea margo: I just talked to one of my coworkers here, they work around it using manual credits, so that's an avenue that may be available to you 15:08 wizzyrea if the dev isn't done by your go-live 15:09 wizzyrea please feel free to contact me if you need more info, I can give you the name of someone to contact at that library 15:09 nengard margo, that's how i showed it in training - the manual credit route 15:09 margo wizzyrea: thanks, i appreciate it 15:10 margo nengard, now that you mention it i remember 15:10 nengard i could do a tutorial video on that if you think it will be helpful 15:10 nengard margo there was so much crying that i think most people missed the fact that i gave you a way around it for now 15:10 margo maybe, she's going to train her new workers later in the summer, we'll see where we are in awhile 15:10 margo lol, :( 15:11 margo i think there was a lot missed, and i'm still not being spoken to, although i've gotten three emails this morning 15:12 margo nengard, since you're here...she's looking at the desciption of charges on the patron fine page and when she goes to print only the name and accoutn number of the patron show up--not the charges 15:12 * druthb boggles a little bit at "not being spoken to." 15:13 nengard print will only print the circ info - not the fine info 15:13 nengard so if the patron didn't check anything out today that's why the slip doesn't have anything on it 15:13 margo druthb, but you've met her 15:13 nengard to print fines, there is a link next to each fine line for printing 15:13 nengard let me find that part of the manual for you 15:14 nengard http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/patroninformation.html#patronfines 15:14 margo nengard, well, now that you point it out, i see the "print" link 15:14 druthb yah, margo, and it still seems so out-of-character; she was always just so darn awesome to me, Before. 15:14 nengard there is a bug report on this topic - that you can only print one line at a time 15:14 nengard i can find that too 15:14 margo i'm obviously too sleepy to be working today 15:14 nengard bug 5655 15:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5655 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , printing of fines should support more than one line 15:14 margo nengard, that's okay, i'll show her how to print screen 15:15 nengard or bug 1232 15:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1232 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add Invoice/Credit/Fines Payed For Day on Issues (Print Page) (Print Slip) 15:15 nengard not sure why that says patch sent though ... 15:30 kf_away nengard: once I figure it out I will share :) 15:30 kf_away or once hdl figures it out... I hope he does 15:31 nengard awesome 15:32 hdl Will try that tonight. 15:42 margod nengard, vicki (cataloger, remember her?:)) just emailed me asking about the "step by step cataloging outline" (her words, i recall it being more of a workflow document) 15:42 margod you said you would create for her 15:43 wizzyrea boy I wish bz would allow you to set the importance/patch status when you added your attachment. 15:43 kf_away me too 15:44 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6323] Attach/move items -- error handling cleanup <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6323> 15:46 kf_away ok, time to leave, talk to you later 15:49 nengard wizzyrea i agree!! 15:49 wizzyrea ^.^ 15:49 nengard annoying to have to update a bug report multiple times 15:50 wizzyrea it lets you take assignment there... 15:50 * wizzyrea mutters 15:51 nengard it does? I missed that (will look for it next time i attach) 15:52 wizzyrea it's at the very bottom of the form 15:54 nengard wizzyrea - how can i force an attach to fail? 15:54 nengard just use a wrong barcode? 15:54 nengard testing your patch now 15:54 wizzyrea yep 15:54 nengard k 15:54 wizzyrea fasdfasdfasdf works well :P 15:54 wizzyrea :) 15:55 * wizzyrea reminds herself to add that kind of stuff next time 16:50 indradg does changing the dateformat clear away the holiday calendar entries? 16:51 indradg nengard, ^ 16:51 oleonard Changing the dateformat system preference will not remove calendar entries 16:51 indradg oleonard, hmmm.... 16:51 nengard i don't think so 16:53 indradg oleonard, how is the sorting happening for the holiday list table? the date sorting is totally wrong (asc string style sort) when using dd/mm/yyyy (which is the default in india) 16:55 wizzyrea ok, I have a problem that I need input on 16:56 oleonard indradg: If you file a bug I'll work on a fix 16:58 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/uGu7M1vIA8 17:01 oleonard wizzyrea: It would certainly be better to have it do an interactive merge with the found record 17:02 indradg oleonard, it appears to be an outstanding issue from Nov 2009 - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3806 17:02 huginn 04Bug 3806: minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , Holidays table doesn't order by date correcly 17:05 oleonard indradg: I removed the patch-sent status and reassigned to myself 17:06 indradg oleonard, ++ :) 17:06 indradg just saw 17:06 wizzyrea it's not even that so much as it's not clear what exactly it's doing 17:07 wizzyrea and the button looks identical to the others, I think people would expect similar functionality 17:07 wizzyrea not even that I think so... I've seen it in action 17:07 oleonard indradg: There is a standard way of handling that kind of date sorting so hopefully it'll be easy to fix 17:07 * cait waves 17:09 indradg hi cait 17:09 cait hi indradg 17:11 wizzyrea i'm trying to think of a label for that button, or something to add to the workflow to help indicate what it does 17:12 * jcamins suggests "Awesome!" 17:12 wizzyrea lol 17:12 wizzyrea :) 17:12 indradg ok! dumb question time... where exactly is category_type & its values A / C / S etc stored / defined? 17:12 jcamins Actually, I think we need one of those on every page. 17:12 wizzyrea it automatically sends an email to the list "Koha has delighted me today, thanks for your effort" 17:13 wizzyrea "love, <name of library catalog> 17:13 wizzyrea " 17:13 wizzyrea do note the lack of a "this sucks" button :P 17:14 wizzyrea indradg: I don't believe they're editable, I *think* those are hard coded -- so it's probably somewhere in C4 17:15 indradg wizzyrea, you be right - lib/C4/Category.pm:=head3 $category->category_type 17:15 wizzyrea yay ^.^ 17:23 nengard got a pic from my hubby who has my girl with him at work: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/5704212036/in/photostream 17:25 indradg nengard, is she a collie or a husky? 17:25 nengard a sheltie 17:25 nengard an 18lb shetland sheedog 17:25 indradg aah 17:25 nengard sheepdog 17:26 nengard she's on his desk at work ... a husky might break the desk :) 17:26 indradg my wife is extremely fond of huskies... but it would be cruel to try and bring one to india 17:27 indradg heh... i can imagine... 17:54 nengard my dad has a husky 18:48 oleonard Should 005 be updated whenever a MARC record is edited? 18:48 rangi there was a patch to do just that 18:49 oleonard I was just noticing that the field in the editor updates if you click in it and wondered if it should do so without user interaction. 18:49 oleonard So it's happening in the background now either way? 18:49 druthb Hi, magnuse! 18:50 magnuse hiya druthb and #koha 18:50 rangi oleonard: cant recall if that was signed off and pushed 18:50 magnuse heh, that's one relaxed doggie ;-) 18:51 oleonard Yeah, seems to have been rangi 18:51 oleonard I see that 005 is being udpated without user interaction 18:52 hdl oleonard: are you talking about authorities ? 18:52 oleonard hdl: No, regular biblios 18:53 oleonard The onsubmit validation routine should probably trigger that auto-population js so that the user doesn't get a warning in case that field is empty 18:54 hdl ok. 18:55 rangi oleonard: good idea 18:56 nengard magnuse,she's used to going to work now :) 18:59 magnuse nengard: good for her! ;-) 18:59 nengard yup 19:04 cait himagnuse :) 19:04 cait how was training? 19:06 magnuse not to bad, i think 19:07 magnuse considere these were teacher-librarians with little training and little time for their libraries... 19:07 magnuse s/considere/considering/ 19:08 rhcl ping wizzyrea: watcha doing? 19:08 wizzyrea nuttin 19:08 rhcl wanna chat about libki? 19:08 wizzyrea sure 19:08 rhcl maybe we should go off channel? #libki ?? 19:08 cait magnuse: what did you do today, circ? 19:09 oleonard Not much happening around here rhcl 19:09 magnuse cait: opac, patrons, circ, simple cataloguing 19:10 wizzyrea sure 19:11 * jcamins curses bug 5958. 19:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5958 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Availability Limit with icu 19:11 * cait agrees 19:14 oleonard Is that a zebra issue? 19:15 rangi highly unlikely 19:15 rangi most likely zebra is doing exactly what we tell it to do 19:15 rangi and we are telling it do dumb things 19:15 * oleonard shakes his fist at obedient zebra 19:16 jcamins oleonard: having looked at Search.pm, and record.abs, I think probably it's a stupid issue. 19:16 rangi that seems to be the root of most of the search issues 19:16 * rangi goes to make breakfast bbiab 19:19 cait jcamins: run 19:20 cait you are in danger - someone will suggest rewriting Search.pm soon ;) 19:20 jcamins cait: what, again? 19:21 cait hm? 19:21 jcamins cait: someone's going to suggest it again? 19:21 cait yep, but youmight get volunteered 19:21 cait :) 19:25 rhcl anybody have any comments on using a local server vs. a distributed database for something like a public access control system? 19:25 jcamins A what? 19:25 oleonard Define distributed database? 19:25 jcamins And public access control system. 19:28 wizzyrea a la envisionware 19:28 jcamins Ah. 19:28 wizzyrea patron computer control 19:28 jcamins Got it. 19:28 jcamins Oh. 19:28 jcamins hdl: thanks for pointing that out. 19:28 hdl jcamins: what ? 19:29 jcamins Aren't you dev_patches@biblibre.com? 19:29 jcamins The comment on bug 5958. 19:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5958 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Availability Limit with icu 19:29 hdl I am. 19:30 hdl But this is just mentioning a workaround. And a deep bug we have been struggling with for some time... before deciding to just switch to solr. 19:30 jcamins hdl: yes, but you just saved me spending hours only to have the Availability limit still be useful. 19:31 hdl jcamins: if you knew how hard we tried and how many things we tried... 19:32 jcamins hdl: just think how many things I now know *not* to try. 19:33 magnuse sharing++ 19:33 hdl there is one solution we have not tried... Adding some new inner subfield which would record 0 1 that would define availability... ... But then again, availability needs to be defined. 19:34 hdl You could take a look at the Search::Plugin::Availability.pm we did for solr. 19:34 hdl as a first step 19:34 jcamins Hm. 19:35 jcamins Pity this isn't easier. 19:35 jcamins Incidentally... 19:35 jcamins DOM++ # I could do this with DOM 19:36 indradg hdl, thanks for the prod in the direction of IntranetUserJS this morning (my time)... my use-case of conditionally switching on | off ExtendedPatronAttributes is working very nicely with jQuery :) 19:39 hdl jcamins: we could have done many things with DOM... But so hard to edit and play with and adapt to user requirements. 19:40 hdl indradg: you're welcome 19:45 indradg :) 20:04 jcamins hdl: how do you do RPN queries? 20:04 jcamins cql=? 20:04 cait rpn? 20:04 wahanui well, rpn is worse than RPG 20:04 hdl pqf= 20:05 oleonard Always helpful, wahanui 20:05 wahanui oleonard: i'm not following you... 20:05 jcamins hdl: thanks. 20:05 hdl But that is not passed from one page to another. 20:05 rhcl I wonder if RPG is easier in Hindi than English? 20:05 hdl well i saw some problems with that. 20:06 hdl RPG = Role Playing Games .... ahhh nostlagy D&D 20:07 rhcl well, I was thinking Report Program Generator :) 20:08 rhcl which is right-justified, and as I understand it, Hindi is written right-to-left. But probably best to disregard, just my casual thoughts of little importance. :) 20:10 hdl rangi: around ? how have you passed authentications through the circulation module when you made circulation module work with Plack ? 20:10 rangi sorry? 20:11 rangi sessions and cookies 20:11 hdl rangi: you told me that you had used Plack for circulation. 20:11 rangi yes 20:11 rangi I didn't change anything 20:11 rangi just ngnix in front 20:12 rangi passing requests to either plack or apache 20:12 rangi same cookies/sessions shared by both 20:12 hdl I am testing that on the catalogue part. and apache is loosing the authentication. 20:13 rangi hmm I didn't run into that 20:13 rangi how are u storing sessions? 20:13 jcamins cait++ 20:14 cait magnuse++ 20:14 rangi mysql? 20:14 wahanui i think mysql is currently limited to 100MB of RAM. 20:14 cait for being very patient 20:14 hdl no special storing for sessions. 20:14 rangi right but mysql or memcached eh? 20:14 magnuse cait++ # for sharing 20:14 rangi not temp files? 20:14 hdl no. 20:15 rangi and the cookie is being set in the browser? 20:15 hdl That could be the problem. 20:15 hdl Yes. 20:16 rangi if temp files could be permissions 20:16 rangi id switch to memcached if you are running 3.4 20:16 rangi much faster anyway 20:16 hdl but the cookie is lost. 20:16 rangi or mysql if not 20:16 rangi ahhh 20:17 rangi so something is deleting the cookie? hmm 20:17 hdl ok. I wanted to know how you did. 20:17 rangi not at my computer at the mo, but I certainly dont remember running into this, weird 20:17 hdl You did something differet. 20:18 hdl But ok. 20:18 rangi didn't do anything special 20:18 hdl thanks anyway 20:18 rangi np ill check when I get to work 20:19 rangi and email if I find anything 20:19 rangi but its not ringing any bells 20:19 rangi one guess is different cookie domains? 20:20 * rangi makes things up 20:21 rangi ok time for some cuban coffee bbiab 20:26 cait hm 20:26 cait is there a trick I could use to make git accept the patch attached to bug 5260? 20:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5260 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW , It would be nice if Koha's Acquisition module could order by email 20:28 cait lookin gat the fle names probably not 20:30 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5260] It would be nice if Koha's Acquisition module could order by email <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5260> 20:33 rangi back 20:33 cait hm 20:33 cait it lookslike it still could work, but I have problems finding the right place for thecode in the files 20:34 rangi looking now cait 20:34 cait cool - thx rangi 20:35 rangi what a cool feature 20:36 rangi cait: thats a diff, not a git diff 20:36 cait yep 20:36 rangi if you give me a few mins ill try to reformat it into a git patch 20:36 cait :) 20:36 cait rangi: thx! 20:37 rangi note the word try :) 20:37 cait I promised the author to test it along time ago :( and I hope I can perhaps make it work 20:38 rangi heres how im going to do it, i will check out an old version of koha, from about sept 2010 20:39 rangi try to apply the patch 20:39 cait I tried to apply it to a new branch, but it told me unknown format 20:39 rangi commit it, try to cherry pick to master, fix the tmpl to tt and make a patch 20:39 rangi you can use git am 20:39 rangi but patch 20:39 cait Patch format detection failed. 20:40 rangi patch -p1 < filename 20:40 rangi or p0 20:40 rangi thats what i am going to attempt anyway :) 20:40 cait git patch -p1 < filename? 20:40 rangi no 20:41 rangi no git 20:41 rangi its not a git patch, but a standard unix patch file 20:41 rangi (it wont apply on master, its out of date) 20:42 rangi do you want me to note here exactly what i am trying? 20:43 magnuse we could put it on the wiki if it works... 20:45 rangi so heres what i did 20:45 rangi git checkout `git rev-list -n 1 --before="2010-09-29" master` 20:45 rangi that gets me the first commit before that day 20:46 rangi im in detached mode, so any changes i make will be lost 20:46 rangi but thats ok, i can check out a real branch if it works 20:46 cait sorry, was brushing my teeth - back and reading now 20:46 cait detached mode? 20:47 rangi ive not on a branch, i just checked out a single point in time, but didnt make a branch 20:47 rangi i do that when im doing things that im not sure will work 20:47 rangi patch faild 20:48 rangi patch -p1 < attachment.cgi\?id=2653 20:48 rangi patching file intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl 20:48 rangi Hunk #1 FAILED at 248. 20:48 rangi Hunk #2 FAILED at 383. 20:48 rangi 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl.rej 20:48 rangi etc 20:48 rangi so i now looked at the patch more closely 20:48 rangi --- ./intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl.orig2010-09-17 11:17:09.000000000 +0200 20:48 rangi right, so ill try a copy of that file from before the 17th 20:49 rangi still fail 20:49 rangi so now im wondering .. was it on 3.0.x branch 20:49 rangi trying that 20:50 rangi no joy there either 20:51 cait oh :( 20:51 rangi ah ha 20:51 rangi i have discovered the problem 20:51 rangi /intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl 20:51 rangi duh 20:51 cait it should be at lest 3.2 because we didn't have basketgroups before that 20:51 rangi the paths are all wrong 20:52 rangi the path was generated from out of the installed tree 20:52 rangi right, will checkout master from that date 20:52 rangi and try editing the paths by hand 20:53 rangi have about 20 more mins before i have to start work, its a race :) 20:53 * wizzyrea cheers rangi on 20:53 rangi that worked 20:53 wizzyrea ^.^ 20:54 rangi so what i did was 20:54 rangi ./intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/basketgroup.pl becomes ./acqui/basketgroup.pl 20:54 rangi etc 20:55 rangi git checkout `git rev-list -n 1 --before="2010-09-17" master` 20:56 rangi edit the patch 20:56 rangi rorohiko:[git/29d17ca...-]:~/git/koha% patch -p0 < attachment.cgi\?id=2653 20:56 rangi patching file ./acqui/basketgroup.pl 20:56 rangi Hunk #1 succeeded at 247 (offset -1 lines). 20:56 rangi Hunk #2 succeeded at 547 with fuzz 1 (offset -1 lines). 20:56 rangi patching file ./tools/letter.pl 20:56 rangi patching file ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/js/acq.js 20:56 rangi patching file ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/acqui/basketgroup.tmpl 20:56 rangi patching file ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/letter.tmpl 20:56 rangi success 20:56 rangi 5260 20:57 rangi now i have a git commit 20:57 rangi http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98155fdd4f64bf172a7c8b570df78950a9527e73 20:58 rangi phase 2, get it to a shape that could apply to master 20:59 rangi git checkout -b rebaseing_5260 kc/master 20:59 rangi git cherry-pick 98155fdd4f64bf172a7c8b570df78950a9527e73 20:59 rangi conflicts kabloom (as expected) 21:00 rangi im going to reformat as 2 patches, first one just the .pl changes 21:00 rangi second patch the .tt ones 21:01 cait wow 21:01 cait rangi++ for being so awesome 21:02 cait and I got stuck at editing the first file... :) 21:02 rangi heh, its not awesome, its just practice i have to do this lots :) 21:04 rangi running all the unit tests now 21:04 aogle Any good documentation on Sip2 and Koha? Attempting to understand it. 21:05 rhcl the koha docs for sip really don't break out the process for conducting a sip query 21:05 cait it's still awesome, even if you deny it :) 21:05 wizzyrea ^^ 21:05 wizzyrea ;) 21:06 cait wizzyrea: do you agree? 21:06 wizzyrea yes, very 21:06 * magnuse too 21:10 rhcl wizzyrea: what are the two control characters at the end of a SIP query? one was a "\n" if i remember correctly, and there's another one which is .....? 21:11 wizzyrea i bet that's in the IRC logs, rhcl 21:11 wizzyrea I don't remember 21:11 wizzyrea sorry >.< 21:12 magnuse g'night #koha 21:13 cait goo dnight magnuse 21:14 * cait sees the first patch and cheers 21:17 rangi now to do the tt one 21:17 rangi (sorry got distracted by work hehe) 21:20 rangi racing racing 21:22 rhcl on this page: http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/appendices/sip2-integration - would it be useful to have a link for the compatable systems? 21:22 wizzyrea no 21:23 wizzyrea because that site is not maintained. 21:23 jcamins More useful would be to have that in the manual. 21:23 rhcl ah, dA**, didn't even notice that! 21:23 wizzyrea there may be a place ion the wiki 21:23 wizzyrea in* 21:23 rhcl I was on the wrong site. Me sorry 21:23 wizzyrea all good :) 21:23 jcamins nengard looks forward to receiving your suggested revisions. :P 21:23 * wizzyrea wishes rhcl luck with DocBook 21:24 wizzyrea wait 21:24 wizzyrea that's discouraging 21:24 wizzyrea strike that 21:24 jcamins I think maybe we need some sort of "namespace" for itemnumbers and biblionumbers. 21:24 rangi its not that hard, francois even figured it out 21:24 cait thinking about that article? :) 21:24 rangi (i can say that cos he isnt in at work yet :)) 21:25 wizzyrea I readily encourage you to explore DocBook, for the good of yourself and that of the community 21:25 rangi (did you all note that francois set a patch for the manual, with his patches for the code!) 21:25 wizzyrea :D 21:25 wizzyrea that *is* pretty epic 21:25 wizzyrea not many do that 21:25 cait probably the first one ever 21:25 * jcamins just tells nengard what to write. 21:25 wizzyrea does he have an IRC nick we can give karma to? :P 21:25 * jcamins loathes Docbook with the strength of a thousand suns. 21:26 rangi fmarier++ 21:26 cait fmarier++ 21:26 jcamins fmarier++ 21:26 cait rangi: patch applied ; 21:26 cait ) 21:26 wizzyrea fmarier++ 21:27 cait wizzyrea: I like that song from your tweet 21:27 wizzyrea I know! 21:27 * wizzyrea points at rangi 21:27 wizzyrea it's his fault 21:27 cait a lot of things are his fault :) 21:28 rangi patch 2 done 21:28 cait thx a lot rangi! 21:28 cait rangi++ 21:31 cait ah 21:31 cait it broke letter.pl 21:31 cait trying to figure it out 21:31 cait unhappy about that: Global symbol "@SQLfieldname" 21:32 rangi i didnt promise it would work :-) 21:33 cait nope 21:33 cait but you gave me something to work with :) 21:33 rangi +eval "use Mail::Sendmail"; 21:33 rangi i dont like this stuff either 21:34 cait hint? 21:34 rangi :) 21:35 cait is it really bad or only at the wrong place? 21:36 rangi wrong place, but i wouldnt fail the patch on that, because it is just following the trend set by the rest of the script 21:37 rangi i think letter.pl will need some work though 21:37 rhcl SIP anybody? A SIP query contains a field like "6300120110509", which is "6300" + a DTG (date time group). What is the 6300? Just a field/packet header? 21:37 Space_Librarian morning #koha :) 21:38 rangi not sure it needs the SQLfieldname ifs at all 21:38 rangi or if its just missing a my @SQLfieldname 21:38 cait I was wondering about that 21:39 cait but it seems he only added one more to a bunch of constructs like these 21:39 rangi hmm no he added them all 21:39 rangi actually its not used 21:40 cait the my line fixed it 21:40 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=4067 21:40 jcamins Good night, #koha 21:40 rangi yeah it will, but they arent actually used 21:40 rangi so we could just take them out 21:40 rangi ie it sets @SQLfieldname 21:40 rangi but then does nothing with it 21:41 cait ah 21:41 cait so I will kill i 21:41 cait t 21:41 rangi yeah 21:41 rangi if you look at the bottom of that patch 21:41 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=2653 21:42 cait there I only see the orders part 21:42 rangi yep, he added it to a thing that has since been removed, so that was the conflict 21:42 cait makes sense 21:43 rangi so id take them out, since they arent being used by anything 21:43 cait I see galen's commit did it 21:50 cait ok, fixed it (I hope) - notice is added, now going to order something :) 21:50 rangi :) 21:51 cait ok 21:51 cait checking message_queue... exciting 21:53 cait not in there :( 22:01 cait ah 22:01 * cait is still investigating but had the wrong name for her letter 22:01 cait ordermail not orderemail 22:08 cait hi Irma :) 22:10 Irma Hi cait ... G'day from downunder! 22:11 cait Greetings from the other side :) 22:12 eythian spooky! 22:13 * Irma away answering the phone 22:14 cait hi eythian :) 22:14 cait bug? 22:14 wahanui hmmm... bug is always bad news, particularly if you haven't filed it yet. 22:14 * cait hides 22:14 cait wahanui++ 22:14 eythian cait: in the middle of a dual migration at present...:) 22:14 cait excuses... 22:14 wahanui cait: IRQ dropout 22:15 cait and just that you know, i saw that! germ? 22:15 eythian hah 22:15 eythian hehe 22:15 eythian wahanui: germs? 22:15 wahanui germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 22:15 Space_Librarian lol 22:15 eythian cool points to anyone who knows the reference (without searching) 22:19 eythian I guess no one is cool enough for cool points... 22:19 rhcl so you're going to enlighten us? 22:20 eythian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9160eN69mM <-- rhcl, cait 22:22 cait ! 22:22 rhcl ahhhh! Poor subject that Ashley! 22:23 rhcl gross 22:23 eythian quite 22:40 cait rangi: seems it didn't work because I can't send mails directly - I made it go into message_queue now to see how the mails look like 22:40 cait rangi: I think it still needs some tweaking, but perhaps I can figure it out :) 22:41 cait ok, I have an entry in my message queue - time to sleep 22:44 cait bye all 22:46 aogle wizzyrea, Just wanted to let you know. I did finally get SIP2 / koha by writing a python script.