IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-05

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00:00 jcamins_away coryj: don't use nozebra.
00:00 jcamins_away Really.
00:00 jcamins_away It will make you tear your hair out.
00:00 coryj arg... bad copy/paste
00:00 coryj
00:00 jcamins_away Good!
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00:06 tcohen hi rangi
00:06 tcohen is there a way to translate "on-the-fly" strings that come from database?
00:09 tcohen i'm thinking on something like that for bug 6299
00:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6299 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Provide a list of authorized values for relator terms
00:14 rangi no
00:14 rangi we have resisted any on the fly because its slow
00:14 rangi but now i have meetings
00:21 coryj What's the status of ldap authentication these days?  I haven't looked at it for a couple years.
00:26 tcohen on-the-fly translation for frameworks+memcached ?
00:26 tcohen maybe we could translate complete frameworks on the fly
00:29 jcamins_away tcohen: I'm not sure that's necessary.
00:30 jcamins_away The problem as I see it is catalogue display, not cataloging.
00:30 tcohen catalogue display of relator terms?
00:30 jcamins_away Right.
00:31 jcamins_away Bug 5711.
00:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5711 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Distinction between authors/additional authors in opac normal view (MARC21/XSLT)
00:31 jcamins_away And bug 5701.
00:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5701 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---,, RESOLVED FIXED, Distinction between authors/additional authors in staff normal view (MARC21/XSLT)
00:31 tcohen yeap, I saw those
00:32 jcamins_away I think you can safely require all catalogers at a given institution to use the same language for relator terms.
00:32 coryj I want to add an option to display a branch selector during staff client login.. even when IndependantBranches is enabled.
00:32 tcohen i thought the same, as long as we provide a translated description
00:33 tcohen in the cataloguing interface
00:33 jcamins_away tcohen: I'm not sure you need to provide a translated description.
00:33 jcamins_away The SQL files are translated.
00:33 coryj Should that pref go under Admin/Login Options or "Local Use" ?
00:33 jcamins_away coryj: I don't think that's possible.
00:34 tcohen jcamins_away: you mean it is not worth it?
00:35 jcamins_away tcohen: I think I'm probably just confusing you. I'll try to explain what I was trying to say earlier.
00:35 tcohen i think you mean we can just provide translated authorized values for each language
00:36 jcamins_away Yes.
00:36 tcohen and adjust xslt's so everything is shown properly
00:36 jcamins_away For the cataloger.
00:36 jcamins_away Right.
00:36 tcohen alright
00:37 tcohen i'll post a proposed sql file for 'en'
00:37 tcohen one question: how do I start a es-ES data/mysql dir?
00:37 jcamins_away So the XSLT could have something like: <xsl:if test="marc:subfield[@code='a'] eq 'editor'>Editor:</xsl:if>
00:38 jcamins_away tcohen: I don't know, actually.
00:38 tcohen for the xslt, exactly, that's what i was looking to solve
00:39 tcohen as for the trnaslation, i'll talk to bernardo so we can commit that translated stuff
00:39 tcohen we don't manage to know the workflow for that
00:39 tcohen i think i'll send a big patch
00:39 coryj jcamins_away: I don't see why not.  I can remove the bounding IF right now and it works.... only useful for superlibrarians tho.
00:40 jcamins_away coryj: right. It won't work for anyone else, and they'll tell you it's broken. :\
00:41 coryj In our case the staff interface is mostly used by people who can work in multiple branches.
00:41 jcamins_away Okay, my wife isn't going to be home for a while, I'm just having dinner now.
00:41 coryj french toast?
00:41 jcamins_away French toast time!
00:41 jcamins_away :D
00:41 tcohen jcamins_away: gnochi here
00:41 tcohen bye and thanks for your time!
00:41 jcamins_away tcohen: ooh, gnocchi's pretty tasty too. Maybe Friday.
00:42 coryj l8er jcamins_away
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00:58 jcamins_away Wow.
00:58 wizzyrea_away ?
00:58 jcamins_away The French toast.
00:59 wizzyrea_away lol
00:59 jcamins_away Did you *really* think I was going to talk about anything else today?
00:59 coryj everybody talking is away.  kinda like ghosts
00:59 wizzyrea_away is now known as wizzyrea`
00:59 wizzyrea` hehe
01:02 * jcamins_away is defiantly ghost-like.
01:02 jcamins_away Though less likely to melt into nothingness now that he's eaten something.
01:06 wizzyrea` so the toast was alright, eh?
01:06 wizzyrea` as magical as you'd hoped?
01:07 jcamins_away Yes!
01:07 jcamins_away :D
01:07 wizzyrea` love it when it works out like that
01:07 coryj g'nite #koha.  Time for bed
01:08 coryj jcamins_away: Think of something good for dinner tomorrow too.  Just make sure it is something I'll have the ingredients for on hand. ;)
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01:10 druthb wizzyrea`!  Woot!
01:11 * druthb hugs wizzyrea`.
01:11 wizzyrea` :D
01:11 wizzyrea` thanx :D are you home?
01:12 druthb yep.
01:12 wizzyrea` fabulous
01:13 * jcamins_away learns outrageously offensive Russian obscenities so he can scream them at the cockroaches.
01:15 jcamins_away Better... Judeo-Tajik curses.
01:15 jcamins_away This way I'll fit in.
01:16 wizzyrea` lol
01:17 jcamins_away You laugh, but they're worse than when we moved in.
01:17 jcamins_away Well, maybe not worse.
01:17 jcamins_away But, bad.
01:19 wizzyrea` ew
01:20 jcamins_away I'll say.
01:24 wizzyrea` are you still in new york proper?
01:24 jcamins_away Yep.
01:24 jcamins_away Queens.
01:24 wizzyrea` is it known for it's cockroaches?
01:25 jcamins_away Yep.
01:25 jcamins_away Well, not Queens.
01:25 jcamins_away But New York in general.
01:27 * jcamins_away fills out the evaluation questionaire for his library school.
01:37 jcamins_away druthb++ # for making Myshkin famous!
01:37 druthb heh.
01:37 druthb that's a cute pic you sent.
01:40 rangi back
01:48 Space_Librarian Oooh. The aliaPD lists now got a KohaCon ping. Irma++ for a scholarship to attend. :)
01:57 jcamins_away wizzyrea`: congratulations!
01:58 wizzyrea` thanx :)
02:04 druthb @seen Brooke
02:04 huginn druthb: Brooke was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 58 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: * Brooke is guessing shorter.
02:06 * druthb waves to rangi
02:06 rangi hey druthb
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02:09 rangi hey jransom
02:09 wahanui somebody said jransom was so pleased!
02:10 jransom hiya all
02:10 druthb hi, jransom!
02:16 Space_Librarian hey jransom
02:18 jransom hey Shelley :)
02:20 Space_Librarian Hey Jo. :)
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02:38 eythian[…]ce_economics.html <-- "Yochai Benkler on the new open-source economics"
02:46 Brooke joined #koha
02:46 Brooke kia ora!
02:51 Brooke Kombucha is the nectar of the gods.
02:56 wizzyrea` mmmmmmm
02:56 Brooke :)
02:57 Brooke cranberry ftw
02:57 wizzyrea` oo
02:57 * Brooke was quite probably brainwashed in Massachusetts.
02:59 * Brooke spins the wheel to see if this aussie tank will dc every other second *again*.
03:00 wizzyrea` now I want cranberries.
03:01 Brooke make Nora post some. >:)
03:01 wizzyrea` nora is great, met her for the first time (in person) monday
03:02 Brooke you have no idea of the extent of her magical powah
03:02 wizzyrea` :)
03:02 wizzyrea` it's gotta be the hair
03:02 Brooke nora++
03:02 wizzyrea` she has wicked cool hair. srsly.
03:02 Brooke I know
03:02 * wizzyrea` gets petty for a moment
03:02 Brooke doesn't she make you want to be ginger.
03:02 wizzyrea` *nod*
03:03 wizzyrea` ginger + curly
03:03 Brooke I think it's illegal to boat and not be good looking.
03:04 Brooke right meant to be healing
03:12 Brooke ugh here come da puggers.
03:13 wizzyrea` uh oh
03:13 Brooke I don't know if that's worse than vent that's going to make me wake up the neighbours with raucous belly laughter, though.
03:22 Brooke pffft., cloth
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03:52 Space_Librarian wizzyrea ++ for awesome musical taste
03:53 wizzyrea` ^.^
03:53 wizzyrea` there's another song I'm looking for, but I can't remember either the name or the artist, but I can hear it in my head it's SO ANNOYING
03:53 Space_Librarian google a line from the song.
03:53 wizzyrea` not the song, but the fact that I can't remember who or what it is
03:54 wizzyrea` that's just it, I can only think of the music!
03:54 Space_Librarian d'oh
03:55 ibeardslee hmm it
03:55 rangi
03:55 rangi im pretty sure thats it
03:55 ibeardslee there are a bunch if android and iphone apps that can have a good go at working out what the song is
03:56 wizzyrea` this isn't it but it's a good one
03:56 Space_Librarian yes it is...
03:57 wizzyrea`
03:58 rangi emi hate nz
03:58 rangi thats alright, cos i hate them
03:58 wizzyrea` oh bother.
03:58 wizzyrea` lol
04:00 ibeardslee mutter
04:00 wizzyrea` ibeardslee: that's true, but I'm not sure my humming is up to scratch for that
04:01 ibeardslee doesn't even saying what it was, so that we could search for an alternate version
04:01 wizzyrea` un mo
04:01 wizzyrea`
04:02 rangi 404 error
04:02 wizzyrea` seriously!
04:02 ibeardslee Ahh 404 Error by Page not found
04:02 wizzyrea` hrmph.
04:03 wizzyrea` oh that's just annoying
04:03 ibeardslee yeap
04:04 wizzyrea` works from here those jerks.
04:07 ibeardslee some songs play from there
04:07 wizzyrea`
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04:08 Brooke 0/
04:08 wizzyrea` hi joann :)
04:08 Space_Librarian wizzyrea`: I know this one. :)
04:08 joann Liz
04:08 joann :)
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04:15 rangi we need to get jo using a real irc client again
04:15 eythian irssi?
04:16 rangi anything other than mibbit :)
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04:16 rangi they used to use xchat back in the day
04:16 joann it does seem to drop us off a lot
04:17 Brooke love em and leave em
04:17 rangi i think oleonard uses chatzilla and likes it
04:17 Brooke I use colloquy but with identify it isn't happy
04:17 joann (how do i poke a tongue out?)
04:17 Brooke use a taiaha
04:18 joann have to disconnect again i think
04:18 rangi tewhatewha if you want to poke things
04:18 joann i meant with keystrokes
04:18 ibeardslee :P
04:19 joann like that
04:19 joann ;)
04:19 joann i can wink
04:19 ibeardslee ':' and a 'P'
04:19 joann and look sad or happy
04:19 joann "P
04:19 joann .P
04:19 joann .p
04:19 joann '.'p
04:19 joann lol
04:19 ibeardslee :
04:19 joann :p
04:20 joann yay!
04:20 joann just learnt summat!
04:20 joann not an entirely ewasyed day
04:20 joann perhaps a few rounds of russian roulette with the bot to finish off the day
04:20 rangi has someone rearranged all your keys?
04:20 rangi :)
04:20 joann ewasyed = wasted :p
04:20 Brooke she's using a french keyboard ;)
04:21 joann i think when my batteries get low the wireless keyboard just piks letters at random
04:21 Brooke mm hmm
04:21 Brooke tell it to the judge, lady.
04:22 joann so clever people in the know:
04:22 joann the south american RFID - Koha talk at kudos
04:22 joann how 'good' is the rfid-koha?
04:23 * Brooke will say naught on the subject and goes to mutter in the corner.
04:23 * Space_Librarian laughs
04:24 rangi i think wizzyrea` is the only one here who was the talk
04:24 joann nuff said then
04:24 rangi oh if druthb is still around
04:24 rangi the rest of us werent there, so have no idea
04:24 joann wizzyrea: any thoughts on the ecuador RFID
04:24 wizzyrea` Oh, yes
04:25 wizzyrea` what was the question? I dropped out for a mo
04:25 * druthb just got back, sort of.
04:25 rangi the ecuador rfid talk
04:25 joann just hoe 'good' do you think the koha 3.x - rfid is
04:25 rangi anything good/useful
04:25 eythian they've all gone quiet...
04:25 wizzyrea` oh, I think it works well -
04:25 rangi the thing to remember is, rfid is nothign to do with ils
04:25 joann coz that may well be rangi's next mission if he chooses to accept it
04:26 wizzyrea` ^^
04:26 rangi its actually sip2
04:26 wizzyrea` ^^^^^
04:26 wizzyrea` that
04:26 rangi rfid is just reading stuff off chips
04:26 joann yep - and they have got that working smoothlythen?
04:26 rangi its what the machine then does with it that matters
04:26 wizzyrea` well I have a RFID library
04:26 wizzyrea` 3M
04:26 rangi and thats got nothing to do with RFID
04:26 joann bywater posted somewhere about payments and sip2 as well
04:26 wizzyrea` and yes, with a few very minor issues it works well with the self check and smart chute machiens
04:26 rangi thats an enhancement proposal, code doesnt exist yet
04:26 druthb bit of a language barrier, but it looked to me like they had put together a pretty cool way to not spend a gazillion dollars setting things up.
04:27 joann and that too, will be on chris's to do list once the new budget comes in
04:27 wizzyrea` yea, it looked to me like they set up with off the shelf RFID readers
04:27 joann which is very tempting.
04:27 rangi all the problems ive seen with rfid
04:27 wizzyrea` and used ILSDI to interconnect everything... is that right?
04:27 rangi is nothing to do with rfid
04:28 rangi its with some stupid proprietary software getting in the way
04:28 rangi between the rfid reader and the ils
04:28 wizzyrea` one thing that I did like about their setup
04:28 wizzyrea` they hid the security gates with lovely wood
04:28 rangi if you can make sure you dont have that stupidity, everything is easier
04:28 rangi that was the problem albany high school ran into
04:28 joann so maybe we should not go with a vendor just do it ourselves chris
04:28 druthb that's what I understood, yes, wizzyrea`
04:28 joann albany with 3M?
04:28 wizzyrea` *nod* same experience here, though the 3M software is pretty straightforward
04:29 joann i did like techlogic better than 3M
04:29 wizzyrea` we've had very few real issues with Koha (more with not-koha)
04:29 rangi or a vendor that doesnt require you to stick a windows machine anywhere in the mix
04:29 rangi soon as you do that, theres a big point of fail right away
04:30 joann nods
04:30 rangi if you can get an rfid reader
04:30 rangi that acts exactly like a barcode reader
04:30 joann wizzyrea: you reckon you could get the ecuador paper / slides?
04:30 wizzyrea` (in truth, the reader ... dangit!)
04:30 rangi ie a standard input device
04:30 wizzyrea` i'm too slow!
04:30 wizzyrea` lol
04:30 rangi then you are gravy
04:30 wizzyrea` I have them now I think, lemme look and I'll send em to ya
04:31 wizzyrea` which email addy?
04:31 wizzyrea` nm you're in my address book. Clever addressbook.
04:32 joann they all come to gmail so any one will be fine
04:32 wizzyrea` sent
04:32 wizzyrea` 4MB ppt tho
04:33 joann its not here yet - but that should get through ok
04:33 joann thanks for that
04:33 wizzyrea` sure
04:33 rangi joann: techlogic seemed ok
04:34 wizzyrea` 3M is ghastly expensive, imo
04:34 rangi but the trick is like i say, you want something that can talk straight to the ils, we dont want to have to run through some middle obfustication layer
04:34 joann yeah - thats what i liked abouttechlogic
04:34 joann its arrived !
04:34 wizzyrea` :D yay!
04:34 * Brooke hopes it's in espanol
04:34 rangi get them to sign on the dotted line saying it will work with linux, with no proprietary software needed
04:34 rangi and you are all good
04:35 rangi :)
04:35 * Space_Librarian likes this idea
04:35 * wizzyrea` idly wonders if you'd still need a proprietary-ish device driver
04:35 joann can't open it though ...
04:36 joann what is a .rar file?
04:36 wizzyrea` it's a rar, you'd need winrar. let me see what I can do about that
04:36 wizzyrea` gimme a min
04:36 rangi you wouldnt need it
04:36 rangi they might force you to have it anyway tho
04:36 joann i sent it to you too chris
04:36 rangi joann: i doubt catalyst wants to get into the hardware game
04:37 joann true
04:37 joann i'll download winrar liz - dont worry
04:37 rangi or want to support custom made rfid solution .. but we would be happy to go, 'that wont work'
04:37 rangi or 'that will work'
04:37 wizzyrea` k, lmk if you have trouble, cuz I'm going ahead and unrar then zipping it
04:38 rangi and set up koha to talk to the system you get
04:38 rangi remember jack from kapiti?
04:38 rangi dont do that
04:38 joann no - i've got it open now
04:39 wizzyrea` cool
04:39 eythian wizzyrea`: why zip it at all?
04:40 rangi if its powerpoint its probably 83934239234 gb unzipped
04:41 wizzyrea` nah, it's got 3 files
04:41 eythian ah
04:41 wizzyrea` a video and a ppt
04:41 wizzyrea` and a 3rd unidentified something or other
04:41 rangi virus
04:41 rangi :)
04:41 wizzyrea` well it's pptx, so yea, that's not far from the truth
04:41 joann i've looked atthe powerpoint and didn't self destruct
04:41 wizzyrea` :)
04:42 joann ok - i can only 'see' the powerpoint but if you unzip and send me the paper  i would appreciate that
04:43 eythian I love how every time someone sends me data, they tweak the export options to make it different in some subtle way.
04:44 wizzyrea` that was one of the tenets of Ruth's presentation
04:44 wizzyrea` "write down how you did it, and do it that way for every extract"
04:44 Space_Librarian which looked good - I've read the slides and notes.
04:44 eythian where are they available?
04:44 wizzyrea` it was very good
04:44 Space_Librarian should be on Ruth's blog now?
04:45 eythian where is that?
04:45 wahanui i heard that was too complicated
04:45 Space_Librarian
04:45 Brooke yeah clearly Ruth's preso was the best.
04:46 eythian cool ta
04:46 * druthb hides.
04:46 wizzyrea` dunno, galen's was pretty awesome too -- who else do you know that can make cataloging compelling
04:46 Brooke can't hide til August
04:46 Brooke I know where you live, theoretically.
04:46 Space_Librarian he made cataloguing compelling?! This I *need* to see...
04:47 wizzyrea` and ian's git preso was pretty great
04:47 joann i played with prezi once and i am nowhere near creative enough to use it (sadly)
04:47 joann i saw ina's git one
04:47 joann ian's
04:47 Brooke cataloguing is always compelling
04:48 Space_Librarian well...
04:48 Brooke surely you must be compelled to do it
04:48 * wizzyrea` stares slantily at Brooke
04:48 Space_Librarian with whips driving you, yes.
04:48 wizzyrea` s/compelling/interesting
04:48 Brooke not my fault they chained me to a desk and made me do spanish cataloguing against me will.
04:48 wizzyrea` haha
04:48 Brooke I wasn't even paid!
04:48 * Brooke cries from PTSD
04:49 Space_Librarian it didn't kill you, so ergo, it made you stronger...
04:49 Space_Librarian with razor sharp wit...
04:49 Space_Librarian ;)
04:49 Brooke nope, that's the fencing
04:49 Space_Librarian lol.
04:49 Brooke I keep tellin' meself I'm not meant to trash talk in fencing
04:51 Brooke I *lead* Dave at one point.
04:51 Brooke People were shocked.
04:53 Brooke then I skivved off tonight
04:53 Brooke coz I'm lazay
04:54 eythian druthb: interesting differences there compared to how I do it, although nothing too fundamental.
04:55 eythian Mostly, I refuse to touch spreadsheets except as viewers, and I try to get all incoming data as close to CSV as they can get it and then use a handful of scripts to chop everything up and import into Koha/produce MARC.
04:56 Brooke dahmer scripts?
04:57 wizzyrea` koha = the freezer where you keep the preserved head of your library data?
04:57 druthb eythian:  Much as I flatly refuse to use MARCEdit except as a viewer, really.
04:57 wizzyrea` that may be the most gruesome metaphor ever for koha
04:57 eythian druthb: pretty much. I refuse to use that because it's not free software :)
04:57 rangi eythian++
04:58 eythian (and also I don't really need it)
04:58 * Brooke blames it on raiding late at night instead of sleeping.
05:00 eythian <-- that's what my migration scripts end up looking like.
05:01 Space_Librarian Brooke: raiding?
05:01 Brooke a yep
05:01 Brooke Omnotron
05:01 Space_Librarian you don't.
05:01 * Brooke needs click shiny cds more often.
05:02 Space_Librarian really?
05:02 Space_Librarian why?
05:02 Brooke as featured on babe.
05:02 Brooke because it is obtusely good for adminughstrative skillz/
05:03 Brooke it is freggin fascinating for group dynamics.
05:03 wizzyrea` i actually completely agree with that sentiment
05:03 Brooke and if I wasn't such a jackarse, my data would be anonymised.
05:03 Brooke but RealID is kinda spoiling that, but I could still get round it with permission and such.
05:03 Space_Librarian lol.
05:03 wizzyrea` I learned more about people being an officer in a raiding guild than I have at any other point (well, until I was involved in the koha community, that is)
05:03 Space_Librarian Suddenly, your KOhaCon abstract makes so much more sense...
05:04 * Space_Librarian is slightly more old school than wow.
05:04 joann druthb great presntation
05:04 joann makes me miss IT work really ....
05:04 rangi youre all newbies, when i was young we had to bang rocks together to make electricity to play pong
05:05 Brooke now you see here
05:05 Brooke back in the day
05:05 Brooke I was on the TAMU mud
05:05 Brooke when dinosaurs and gal trader roamed the earth
05:05 joann a lot (actually) ... rather wrangle data than people anyday
05:05 Brooke GET OFF THE LAWN!
05:05 wizzyrea` oh lawd.
05:05 eythian <-- I'm just going to leave this here to prevent it spiraling down
05:05 Space_Librarian what have we done?
05:06 Space_Librarian eythian ++
05:06 joann i'm off home to cook yummy dinner for neighbours whose husband/dad died last night
05:06 wizzyrea` nerd oneupmanship
05:06 joann night all
05:06 Brooke night night
05:06 Space_Librarian bye Jo
05:06 druthb thanx, joann!  g'night.
05:06 eythian bye joann
05:06 wizzyrea` gnite joann
05:06 joann left #koha
05:08 Brooke nerdoneupmanship is gs based.
05:08 wizzyrea` more properly: NERD FIGHT!
05:10 Space_Librarian I have already won...
05:10 Space_Librarian so I'll let you fight it out for second. :p
05:11 wizzyrea` skip to 9s in this vid[…]06/10/102606.html
05:11 rangi ok home time
05:11 * rangi wanders off
05:11 Brooke ciap
05:11 Brooke ciao even
05:11 wizzyrea` latah
05:12 Space_Librarian adios
05:13 druthb Koha_chicks_taking_over_#koha++
05:14 Space_Librarian :D
05:14 Space_Librarian We need t-shirts. srsly.
05:14 druthb yis.
05:16 wizzyrea` ha HAH
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05:30 wizzyrea` is now known as wizzyrea_away
05:33 * druthb heads to bed.
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05:41 Brooke I'm considering writing a paper for First Monday on gender in Koha
05:42 Space_Librarian sounds interesting.
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05:46 cait good morning #koha
05:46 Space_Librarian morning cait
05:51 cait hi Space_Librarian
05:51 cait :)
05:51 * Space_Librarian waves
05:56 cait bug 6302 is weird
05:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6302 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Failing to send email notices - to_address not set
05:57 cait we started sending overdues for one of our libraries this week, 3.2.2. And the librarian told me happily that her coworker had received the notice just as planned
05:58 cait hm
06:06 * Space_Librarian preapres to wander off and pack for a conference in soggy Waitomo...
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06:16 Brooke bid!
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06:32 AmitG heya all
06:32 AmitG heya chris
06:34 cait hi Broke and AmitG
06:34 alex_a hi #koha
06:34 AmitG heya cait
06:34 cait hi alex_a
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07:06 rangi @later tell kf yes i think the person has misunderstood it doesnt need a to address, the process message queue script does that
07:06 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
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07:16 kf hi #koha
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07:32 magnuse kia ora #koha
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07:32 kmkale Namaskar #koha
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07:53 kf namaskar kmkale and god morgen magnuse
07:54 kmkale Namaste kf
07:54 kmkale Namaste magnuse
07:56 magnuse god dag kf and kmkale ;-)
07:57 kmkale magnuse: kf said god morgen and you said god dag. Whats the difference?
07:57 magnuse kmkale: god morgen = good morning, god dag = "good day" (it can be used any time of the day)
07:57 kf I think god dag is later?
07:58 kmkale aahh. Thanks
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07:59 magnuse yeah, it's sort of ambiguous - "dag" sort of comes after "morgen", but at the same time it can mean a whole day, not just the middle of it (i think)
08:03 eythian Weltrusten, #koha :)
08:03 magnuse um, hi eythian
08:03 magnuse dutch?
08:04 eythian yeah, means 'good night'. Because I'm off :)
08:04 magnuse ah, have a good night, then!
08:04 eythian well, it would mean that if I'd spelt it right, anyway 'welterusten'
08:05 eythian later
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09:09 slef @later tell SpaceLibrarian England is part of Europe (the UK too, but I don't really agree with us being part of that ;-) )
09:09 huginn slef: The operation succeeded.
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10:25 AmitG @later
10:25 huginn AmitG: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
10:25 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
10:25 AmitG @wounder New Delhi
10:25 huginn AmitG: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
10:25 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
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10:29 druthb o/
10:34 magnuse \o
10:34 magnuse @wunder boo
10:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (12:20 PM CEST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
10:35 magnuse @wunder new delhi
10:35 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 37.0�C (3:30 PM IST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
10:35 * magnuse puts on an extra shirt and wanders off in search of lunch
10:37 druthb @wunder 20852
10:37 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 6.6�C (6:39 AM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Rising).
10:42 kf_mtg @wunder boo
10:42 huginn kf_mtg: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (12:20 PM CEST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
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10:58 AmitG heya druthb
11:05 druthb hi, AmitG! :)
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11:52 conan hi everysoul
12:00 jwagner Hi conan
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12:05 magnuse fmarier++ # for those awesome avatars (too bad comments are probably not used a lot in most OPACs...)
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12:07 gmcharlt @quote random
12:07 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 05:19 PM, February 24, 2010)
12:09 slef awesome avatars?
12:10 * oleonard puts on his 3D glasses
12:10 magnuse slef:[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6298
12:10 huginn Bug 6298: enhancement, P5, ---, fmarier, ASSIGNED , Profile pictures in the OPAC next to review authors
12:13 slef I was just thinking maybe koha should use if it doesn't already, but hesitating because of the terms of use.  Good to see that's in there, even using a freer service as first preference.
12:13 magnuse yay
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12:30 kf oleonard++
12:35 oleonard Thanks kf, what was that for?
12:43 tcohen hi oleonard
12:45 tcohen are there any works on having a mobile-oriented UI?
12:46 oleonard Many people have expressed their desire for one but so far no one has done it
12:47 * oleonard sees that once again lists a months-out-of-date Koha download
12:47 oleonard PTFS--
12:52 oleonard I see a question about 'browse shelf' on the mailing list, and it raises a question: If you have all three "ShelfBrowserUses*" prefs on, does it limit to a unique combination of all three?
12:53 kf for fixing that duplicate bug so fast :)
12:53 oleonard kf: I spent a while trying to fix that bug (without success) so I remembered it!
12:53 kf oleonard: it's probably the known bug - I answered it
12:54 kf yes, I tried to fix it too
12:54 kf 2 hours...
12:54 kf until I gave up
12:54 kf I see no reason for it not working :(
12:54 oleonard It's probably a fix rangi will spot immediately if he takes a look
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12:57 * oleonard is starting to think the same thing about Bug 6306
12:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6306 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , It is not possible edit news
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13:13 kf oleonard: yep, I asked him, but he probably found no time for it yet
13:14 kf and he dislikes the guided reports...
13:14 kf we talked about deprecating them (which would also solve the bug ;) )
13:14 oleonard Bad memories.
13:15 kf perhaps
13:18 nengard is it my imagination or did the subscription page in the OPAC used to have a JS table sorter on it?
13:18 oleonard The table of issues?
13:19 nengard yes
13:19 nengard the full detail page
13:20 nengard url:  /cgi-bin/koha/opac-serial-i​
13:20 nengard or i should say : cgi-bin/koha/​?selectview=full&biblionumber=4038
13:20 nengard which is what i have as the default
13:20 oleonard Not unless someone deliberately took it out
13:20 oleonard Not even an ID on the table.
13:20 nengard k
13:21 nengard it was my imagination :) gonna put an enhancement in there ;)
13:21 kf today is enh day :)
13:21 kf magnuse has been busy too
13:23 nengard yesterday i exported my librarything collection and imported it to koha!! :)
13:23 nengard now my test system has my real library
13:23 oleonard Does it export items too?
13:23 nengard no
13:23 nengard I had a few steps:
13:23 nengard 1. export from LT
13:24 nengard 2. import to koha
13:24 nengard 3. export from koha
13:24 nengard 4. open in marcedit
13:24 nengard 5. add items
13:24 nengard 6. clean original koha import
13:24 nengard 7. rebuild zebra
13:24 nengard 8. import marc file with items to koha
13:24 nengard The reason I did it that way was cause the LT file wouldn't open in marcedit cause of errors in the file that koha just ignored :)
13:25 kf cool!
13:25 magnuse nengard: what format did you export from LT?
13:25 nengard I used the 001 as my barcode (since it's a fake system) and the 050ab as my call number
13:25 kf can you put that on the wiki somewhere?
13:25 kf I would love to try that sometim
13:25 nengard magnus the first one ... fuzzy i think
13:25 nengard kf sure can
13:25 kf is there a trick to add a lot of items at once?
13:25 kf wit marcedit?
13:25 nengard it's easy peasy
13:25 nengard you do add field and add a 952 with you $a, $b, $2, $y
13:26 magnuse having that on the wiki would be super cool!
13:26 nengard and then you can do swap field data to pull the call number and barcode
13:26 nengard I'll gladly share
13:26 nengard it was a bit frustrating, so I'd love to help you all :) hehe
13:26 magnuse nengard++
13:27 nengard of course this only works for a not real library - otherwise you have to go in and add real barcodes to all of the items
13:28 kf nengard++
13:28 * kf has her books in libarything too
13:28 * magnuse too
13:29 magnuse and i'm toying with the idea of offering free koha installations for personal use to nordic library people...
13:29 nengard magnuse LT only exports in USMARC right now - fyi
13:29 nengard[…]raryThing_to_Koha
13:30 nengard will beef it up as I have time ;)
13:30 magnuse ah yes, but usmarc is probably similar to marc21 (which is similar to normarc)?
13:30 magnuse yay!
13:30 nengard :)
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13:34 magnuse i will definitely have a go at that and add anything i figure out along the way to the page
13:34 gmcharlt magnuse: usmarc *is* marc21
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13:35 gmcharlt or more precisely, usmarc merged with CANMARC and UKMARC to become MARC21
13:35 magnuse thanks gmcharlt, thats just about what i thought
13:35 * magnuse can't wait to get rid of *all* of them ;-)
13:35 oleonard Known as MARC21 in the US so that everyone knows it's old enough to drink.
13:36 gmcharlt oleonard: drink, Owen, drink - how else do you think standards like MARC21 get developed?
13:36 gmcharlt ;)
13:36 * gmcharlt needs more coffee
13:36 gmcharlt you had said that, of course
13:36 gmcharlt oy
13:38 * kf sends gmcharlt some espresso
13:38 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6309] subscription table sorter in the opac <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6309>
13:38 * kf stares on her todo list
13:38 kf I have a red entry called feedback report
13:38 kf and I have no idea what it means
13:39 kf must be a monday in costume of a thursday
13:39 * oleonard wonder's what Monday's outfit looks like
13:41 * oleonard assumes it wears some kind of scary hat
13:42 * magnuse thinks monday has a wardrobe full of scary outfits...
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13:44 kf hehe
13:44 * chris_n agrees with that!
13:49 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5876] New permission for overdues report <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5876>
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13:51 magnuse sorry kf, i have no idea what a feedback report is... but it sure sounds useful! ;-)
13:51 magnuse bonjour hdl
13:51 f3ew Is there a way to dumb down the Koha interface a lot?
13:52 f3ew The use case in this case is a corporate in-house library, without the need for MARC or book sizes
13:52 hdl hi magnuse
13:52 f3ew and a very part time librarian
13:53 wizzyrea yep, you can use a very simple framework
13:53 wizzyrea with only the fields you need
13:55 gmcharlt f3ew: in particular, the fast-add framework is a good starting point for a simple one to use
13:57 * f3ew googles
13:58 jwagner f3ew, you can also remove some of the clutter from staff logins by using granular permissions and not assigning permissions for modules your staff don't need.  For example, if you aren't using acquisitions or serials, no need to have those modules visible.
13:58 magnuse f3ew:[…]ework.sql;hb=HEAD
13:59 f3ew jwagner, more of a need "ISBN, Book title, Author, quantity, date of purchase, price" and nothing else
13:59 nengard oleonard++
13:59 jwagner Yes, that would be the framework setup, then.  I was just suggesting other areas to simplify.
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14:07 magnuse oleonard++ # 21 minutes from mention of missing tablesorter to patch ;-)
14:07 oleonard Low-hanging fruit :)
14:08 magnuse nevertheless...
14:15 kf oleonard++
14:15 magnuse nengard++ # for signing off
14:16 nengard :)
14:16 kf nengard++
14:16 kf lots of reasons for karma
14:18 nengard aww shucks
14:18 nengard :)
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14:47 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6311] end_patron_session always reports a non-existent error <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6311>
15:01 * oleonard does not understand the discussion on Bug 5872
15:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5872 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, christophe.croullebois, ASSIGNED , Enhancements to circulation management
15:01 oleonard What's all this about submodules?
15:02 magnus_away oleonard:[…]it-submodule.html
15:02 magnus_away "Submodules allow foreign repositories to be embedded within a dedicated subdirectory of the source tree, always pointed at a particular commit."
15:04 magnus_away ?
15:04 * magnus_away is really away now
15:06 gmcharlt oleonard: well, upshot of the discussion on that bug is that *requiring* use of a git submodule would make Koha difficult to package again
15:07 gmcharlt IOW, it really needs to be based on a packaged version of jeditable, or at least a version we can stick in the Koha tree and release that way, not on a link to a git repository
15:07 wizzyrea man, i don't wanna go there. we should not go backwards
15:07 gmcharlt i.e., the discussion (or argument) is about what needs to happen to make that dependency packageable
15:07 wizzyrea packaging should be getting easier, not harder.
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15:11 gmcharlt also, would need a look
15:12 gmcharlt jeditable has not been receiving much in the way of updates for the past couple years
15:12 gmcharlt so that either means that it's generic enough that it's "done"
15:12 gmcharlt or that it's not particularly active
15:12 gmcharlt either way, we'd want to make sure that we're not locking ourselves into an old version of jQuery by using it
15:16 kf gmcharlt: you should add that to the bug I think
15:17 oleonard In Jeditable's favor, the author still responds to comments on his site. there was a commit in January, although a minor one.
15:17 gmcharlt oleonard: yeah, I'm not dismissing jeditable out of hand, and it has a good rating
15:17 wizzyrea ok, is it J editable or Jedi Table? Because if it's Jedi Table, then by default it should go in on pure awesome alone. (I kid)
15:18 gmcharlt but (from my POV), without having actually looked at it yet, dunno if it's being maintained enough to not break when we want to adopt jQuery 1.5+
15:18 paul_p Jedi Table ? DarkVador chair ? :D
15:18 wizzyrea :D
15:19 gmcharlt do the table legs double as light sabers?
15:20 wizzyrea jedi table is suspended by the force alone
15:20 oleonard Don't be silly, you can plainly see the Jedi don't use a table: http://meltingpot.fortunecity.[…]06/councilxxx.jpg
15:20 wizzyrea rofl
15:20 wizzyrea they are also not eating there ^.^
15:21 oleonard Yeah, we never got to see the Jedi cafeteria
15:21 * wizzyrea imagines Yoda eating a sandwich and reading the paper, giggles
15:22 wizzyrea mmm tasty you are!
15:22 gmcharlt coffee too cold?  bit of Force lightning to the rescue
15:23 wizzyrea hehehe
15:24 wizzyrea sorry, I didn't mean to derail that conversation, back to srs business
15:25 wizzyrea jedi table, we should find out if it's gonna lock us into a specific version of jquery
15:25 slef SRS are not a good registrar :)
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15:27 oleonard slef: When will you know the results of the AV referendum?
15:29 oleonard Does anyone know under what circumstances Bug 6081 can be seen in action?
15:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6081 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Do not show "not for loan" description if false
15:31 slef oleonard: I think they don't start counting for about 24h from now.
15:31 * oleonard imagines it will be a cold day in hell before the US passes anything like that
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15:33 rhcl_away What's the breakout or amplifying data for "AV referendum"?
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15:34 rhcl perhaps:[…]_referendum,_2011
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15:44 Oak \o
15:44 wizzyrea o/
15:44 Oak \o/
15:45 wizzyrea <o/
15:45 Oak \o>
15:45 Oak who will do the titanic?
15:45 wizzyrea /o\
15:46 slef rhcl: is our local. Yay lack of standardisation ;-)
15:46 Oak __8__   <-- Titanic
15:46 oleonard ?
15:47 Oak !
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15:51 coryj Another 1/2 pot of coffee and I'll be coherent.
15:51 jwagner oleonard, the bug report you referred to on the listserv is Bug 5199, correct?
15:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5199 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Renewals do not add branchcode to statistics table
15:52 oleonard Yes
15:52 jwagner OK, thanks.  I hadn't seen that one fly by....
15:52 oleonard It's been a bug in Koha forever
15:53 nengard would love to see that one fixed
15:53 slef random question: why is it OPAC username on the Edit Patron screen when it works on the librarian interface?
15:53 nengard no clue
15:53 nengard it's very confusing to librarians
15:53 nengard I'm a-ok with changing it to just 'username'
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15:59 nengard slef, i'm going to report a enh request for that, to see if anyone has any objections - it's something I can easily fix if everyone wants it fixed
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15:59 slef nengard: thanks!
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16:01 nengard looking for feedback on bug 6312 before i make code changes
16:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6312 enhancement, P5, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , login/password shouldn't be labeled as 'opac'
16:06 gmcharlt nengard: agree that a more generic name for the username field makes sense
16:06 nengard good stuff
16:08 Oak have not heard many people say 'good stuff' :)
16:08 Oak good stuff!
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16:11 adnc_ hi koha
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16:13 mib_2swanq hi koha community :)
16:14 mib_2swanq I have one little question about koha and marc frameworks.
16:14 Oak we only entertain big questions here
16:14 nengard got me two +1 so I'll write up that patch now
16:15 mib_2swanq it can be big depending on your answer :P
16:16 mib_2swanq i've created one subfield 942$n - Suppress to suppress some records from OPAC
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16:17 mib_2swanq the records with 0 appears in the OPAC, with 1 don't appear
16:17 mib_2swanq the Zebra indexation works fine
16:18 mib_2swanq the omission value is 1 (after creation the records doesn't appear in OPAC)
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16:20 mib_2swanq now I wanted to omit the subfield in the default model, so I've changed the value of the managed tab to ignored
16:20 mib_2swanq but with that change the records are created with no 942$n subfield filled
16:21 mib_2swanq my doubt is how to omit the 942$n subfield from default model and it be filled by omission with value 1?
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16:24 mib_2swanq no one?
16:24 wahanui it has been said that no one is denying that biblibre is doing good work here - it just seems odd to me that one of the biggest companies should introduce new "things" that break old "things" that a lot of people still want...
16:24 slef sorry
16:24 slef I'm a bit busy today.
16:25 nengard slef, patch written to solve your issue :)
16:25 wizzyrea wahanui: forget no one
16:25 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot no one
16:25 slef mib_2swanq: I'm doing this without looking, but don't you want hidden rather than ignored?
16:25 * slef looks it up
16:26 mib_2swanq i've tried all types of hidden (-9...9) but by some reason after creation the subfield appears in the record edition
16:27 mib_2swanq bu i can try again
16:27 slef ah yeah, the problem is defaulting to 1
16:28 slef grml
16:28 mib_2swanq grml?
16:28 slef like grumble but quicker
16:29 slef I'm not a librarian and definitely not a cataloguer and dislike being reminded of my inadequacy ;-)
16:29 slef so what are you putting for Managed in tab, Default value and Hidden?
16:31 mib_2swanq now i'm trying 9 (managed in tab), 1 default value, hidden -5...
16:31 mib_2swanq I my problem is solved looool
16:32 slef anyway, I've got to go vote. Let's see if nengard or wizzyrea understand this <vbg>
16:32 slef nengard++ for the username patch
16:33 joetho voting, by God    (?)
16:33 mib_2swanq thanks slef anyway :)
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16:42 coryj gmcharlt: -x still appears to include "&amp;" in the indexes if there is an & in the title.
16:43 coryj I'm just going to ignore that for now and assume nobody will be doing a title search for "amp"
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17:10 mib_2swanq what does this system preference ReservesNeedReturns ?
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17:21 oleonard mib_2swanq: If turned on, it means that items will not be marked as "waiting" until you check them in
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17:28 mib_2swanq so it's better to turn it on if i want to put one reserve on problematic after 2 days
17:29 mib_2swanq after check in...
17:29 oleonard mib_2swanq: Are you referring to the holds awaiting pickup report?
17:31 mib_2swanq what i need to have: if a item is checked out the others patrons can reserve it, after checked in the patron in first on the queue have 2 days to get the book
17:32 oleonard mib_2swanq: The ReservesNeedReturns is unrelated to your requirement I think
17:32 oleonard See ReservesMaxPickUpDelay instead
17:32 oleonard That should be set to 2
17:33 oleonard And I believe there is a cron job that needs to run in order to automatically cancel holds
17:33 mib_2swanq yes... I have the cronjob and the system preference set to 2
17:33 mib_2swanq it's all i need
17:33 mib_2swanq ?
17:34 oleonard I think so
17:34 mib_2swanq ok thanks...
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17:34 mib_2swanq :)
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17:37 mib_2swanq but i'm having a problem that after a item is check in the patron in first place on queue is not receiving the email saying that the hold is filled
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17:39 oleonard mib_2swanq: If you go to /cgi-bin/koha/members/ can you see notices queued for the patron?
17:40 mib_2swanq yes... check in and checked out notices are being sent
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17:43 mib_2swanq i think that i'm closing to the problem.... when using the in the circulation menu i think that the email is sent
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17:44 mib_2swanq in the tab check out of patrons when check in the items the email isn't sent
17:44 oleonard mib_2swanq: That's not surprising, that function is buggy
17:45 oleonard I recommend not using it.
17:45 mib_2swanq which function?
17:45 mib_2swanq 2 option?
17:45 oleonard Checking in items from the list of checkouts on the circulation or patron detail screen
17:46 oleonard Bug 3514
17:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3514 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , Returning items through patron Details tab doesn't activate all circulation functions
17:47 mib_2swanq hummm ok... but I can see that there is a patch...
17:48 oleonard A very minor patch which doesn't do that much to fix the problem
17:48 oleonard (and I say that as the patch author)
17:50 mib_2swanq this is a problem, because the library is using the patron detail page for check in and i need to trigger the holds
17:50 oleonard You can't, not unless you fix that bug.
17:50 oleonard You have to use
17:53 mib_2swanq :/ if the and shoudn't be that different
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17:53 cait hi all
17:54 mib_2swanq i have to fix the bug by some way.... there is only thing that's is not correctly working in my system
17:55 oleonard mib_2swanq, you will be cheered by all if you can fix it.
17:56 mib_2swanq i'll look to it tomorrow... now it's time to go home and watch Braga-Benfica (yes i'm portuguese :))
17:59 mib_2swanq thanks for all the help oleanard
17:59 mib_2swanq *oleonard
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18:10 wizzyrea ah question re: framework export
18:11 wizzyrea when you export, does it bring with it any associated authvalues definitions?
18:11 wizzyrea or even tell you what they are, so that you can replicate on the new system?
18:12 oleonard Hmm.... What are the chances that it does?
18:13 wizzyrea probably close to zero :P
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18:14 rhcl wizzyrea: one of my librarians asked me if there was a koha-specific smart app that apparently some library ILSs have. Something that is designed to connect to an OPAC but specifically designed for a hand-held device. Know of anything like this?
18:14 wizzyrea yep
18:14 wizzyrea a few actually
18:14 rhcl I'm all ears
18:14 wizzyrea kiritiaki koha for android
18:14 wizzyrea libraryanywhere for iphone/android
18:14 wizzyrea I am sure I didn't spell that right let me go find the right spelling
18:15 rhcl well. Thanks for the info.
18:15 wizzyrea oh, no I didn't!
18:15 wizzyrea[…]lyst.KiritakiKoha
18:15 wizzyrea oh, wait, yes I did
18:15 wizzyrea kiritaki koha
18:15 wizzyrea libanywhere also works with blackberry
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18:16 wizzyrea libanywhere is a service, though
18:16 wizzyrea hey LSG
18:16 library_systems_guy hey wizzyrea
18:16 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet
18:16 wizzyrea whahanui: shh
18:16 library_systems_guy long time no see
18:16 wizzyrea ^.^ busy week :)
18:16 library_systems_guy indeed
18:16 library_systems_guy finals next week
18:16 library_systems_guy lots of studying
18:18 wizzyrea *nod*
18:18 library_systems_guy is nengard around anywhere?
18:18 nengard she might be
18:18 nengard let me go look for her
18:19 library_systems_guy lol nengard :)
18:19 nengard hiya!
18:19 nengard I so don't miss having finals
18:19 nengard what's up?
18:19 library_systems_guy i won' a year
18:19 library_systems_guy anyway
18:20 library_systems_guy remember that ticket you submitted about the shelf browser not working in 3.4
18:20 library_systems_guy today was my first chance to do an upgrade since then
18:20 library_systems_guy and Margo just informed me that it still wasn't working
18:21 nengard is it a diff problem or the same? I forget if that patch was pushed
18:21 nengard any chance you remember the bug number?
18:21 library_systems_guy cleaned out my inbox
18:21 library_systems_guy let me check with margo
18:22 library_systems_guy bug 6263
18:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6263 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, shelf browser doesn't work in 3.4
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18:23 oleonard library_systems_guy: Have you updated since the patch was pushed? The shelf browser appeared to be working fine for me today
18:23 library_systems_guy i just did
18:23 druthb o/
18:24 oleonard How is it failing?
18:24 library_systems_guy oh wait
18:24 library_systems_guy i did a git fetch and pulled patches
18:24 library_systems_guy but i just did a git pull and got a bunch more stuff
18:25 nengard also remember the rebase part
18:26 library_systems_guy true...bah
18:27 library_systems_guy maybe i should change my name to forgetful_library_systems_guy
18:27 druthb lol
18:28 rhcl wizzyrea: we need a quarterly MOKAN region KUDOS meeting/social event
18:28 oleonard Be fair, library_systems_guy_who_forgot_that​_one_time_but_who_will_remember_now
18:28 library_systems_guy oh got me
18:28 joetho MOKANOK
18:29 bg_ @wunder 93109
18:29 bg_ @wunder 93109
18:29 huginn bg_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.0�C (11:31 AM PDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Steady).
18:29 joetho <--recovering kohite
18:29 oleonard @wunder 45701
18:29 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 17.2�C (2:30 PM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady).
18:29 bg_ ah nice to be back home
18:29 druthb @wunder 20852
18:29 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 18.1�C (2:32 PM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady).
18:29 druthb @wunder madison, wi
18:29 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Middleton, Wisconsin is 13.0�C (1:15 PM CDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
18:30 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:30 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.9�C (8:30 PM CEST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Steady).
18:30 nengard @wunder 19030
18:30 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Maple Point, Langhorne, Pennsylvania is 16.9�C (2:30 PM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling).
18:30 druthb not *that* much colder in Madison, bg_.  All that drama over a few degrees..
18:30 bg_ it was like 5~7 when we where there
18:31 druthb (I was running around in knee-length skirts, and bg_ was bundled up like an Inuit.  I was greatly amused.)
18:31 bg_ is now known as bg
18:31 joetho @wunder mcmurdo station
18:31 huginn joetho: The current temperature in McMurdo, Antarctica is -31.0�C (6:00 AM NZST on May 06, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -38.0�C. Pressure: 29.31 in 992 hPa (Falling).
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18:37 library_systems_guy nengard, thanks for the rebase bit, that fixed it
18:37 nengard good stuff
18:42 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
18:43 wizzyrea is it on the wiki "how to update your git install"
18:44 wizzyrea the steps I mean?
18:44 wizzyrea cuzn if it's not, it should be
18:44 wizzyrea aka how not to muck up your repo
18:46 library_systems_guy i think it is...but i think its closer to the install stuff
18:46 library_systems_guy[…]Control_Using_Git
18:46 library_systems_guy thats what i referred to
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19:17 oleonard Big PTFS day on the mailing list today
19:17 oleonard Encouraged by KudosCon I wonder?
19:19 rhcl I must be not getting some emails--do you have a specific email subject or DTG for that?
19:20 oleonard "CCL query query"
19:20 rangi and the renewals statistics one
19:21 rhcl this is on "koha", right? I just started popping all my email to gmail and it's goofy I think
19:21 oleonard Yes
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19:25 cait owen: seeing the mails
19:25 cait what about the library that owns the item?
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19:26 cait if we have to put a brnach in there. I would like to have an option to find out about opac vs staff renewals
19:26 cait and meant oleonard
19:26 oleonard The item's home branch seems least relevant to me since it could have been checked out from any branch
19:27 cait they bought the item and made it available for others - why not count the renewal for them?
19:27 oleonard Maybe so, but we don't count other circs that way
19:27 cait hm ok
19:27 rangi see if you guys make it hard
19:27 rangi ill never do a patch
19:27 rangi hehe
19:27 cait rangi:  i want to leave it empty - but I might be alone on that ;)
19:28 cait I think opac renwal has no place it belongs to really
19:28 rangi but if i must, i could do a syspref
19:28 cait it's an opac rnewal
19:28 rangi opacrenewalbranch
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19:28 rangi 'null','itemhomebranch','branch​issuedfrom','patronhomebranch'
19:28 cait hm
19:29 rangi and try to solve all you fellas at once
19:29 cait crazy :P
19:30 oleonard Like I said, I'll take pretty much anything over nothing if it comes to that (sorry cait)
19:30 cait no problem :)
19:31 cait ok... I will say it... could we add something ot make it show as opac renwal?
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19:31 rangi cait: sure, how about OPAC
19:32 rangi could be just another option for the syspref
19:32 rangi i have to go feed atarua
19:32 rangi atarau even
19:32 oleonard There was a Harley feature, I think, that showed counts for staff/OPAC renewals on the patron detail page
19:32 rangi if someone wanted to update the bug, ill do it when i get to work
19:32 wizzyrea there was
19:33 cait I am checking dbs and bix right now - the german library statistics
19:33 cait what they require
19:33 rangi im leaning towards the syspref, cos then it can please everyone
19:33 rangi and its easy to just add another value to it
19:33 * rangi will bbiab
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19:35 wizzyrea wb sekjal
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19:36 sekjal thanks, wizzyrea.  cable guy is playing with the wires on the pole outside.. hopefully I'm stable for a while longer
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19:37 sekjal okay, cable guy is folding up the ladder.. should be stable for a while...
19:38 oleonard You're too late to slip him some cash for free HBO
19:40 cait oleonard: I will ask our statistics expert tomorrow :)
19:42 cait oleonard: probably you are right
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20:03 rangi back
20:04 cait joined #koha
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20:04 wizzyrea jwagner: about?
20:04 Brooke kia ora
20:05 wizzyrea err reading fail
20:05 rangi heh
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20:05 cait hi Brooke
20:05 sekjal alright, internet is all set up for the new house!  and, apparently, if I plug in a TV, there's free basic cable what comes with internet service
20:05 druthb kia ora, Brooke.  :)
20:05 sekjal not that I particularly want to watch TV, but...
20:05 rangi cool sekjal
20:05 Brooke :)
20:05 wizzyrea @later tell jwagner are your kudos slides available online anywherE?
20:05 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:06 cait sekjal: ... but you could if you wanted to? :)
20:06 cait grats on the new house :)
20:07 sekjal cait:  thanks!  lots of work, but worth it
20:07 sekjal (the house, not watching TV... in case I was unclear)
20:07 Brooke where's the new lodge? *pry pry*
20:09 sekjal Brooke:  South Deerfield, MA.  Just down the street from MassCat (a Koha library system we support)
20:09 Brooke bwwewhwerahwehraher
20:09 Brooke good on you
20:09 Brooke now, this is of extreme import
20:10 Brooke if you go over the little Blue Bridge into Sunderland
20:10 Brooke there used to be a lovely little cafe that served a wicked little pulled pork sandwich across the street from the bank
20:10 Brooke their shakes are divine, as well.
20:13 Brooke
20:13 Brooke The Blue Heron is nice for an upscale option, too.
20:13 sekjal we've been to Blue Heron... very nice
20:13 sekjal will check out Bridgeside
20:15 Brooke there are scant few places I've not dined in that neighbourhood, and I've the stomach to prove it.
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20:17 sekjal Brooke:  you still get up this way much?
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20:18 * Brooke shifts on her feet.
20:18 Brooke mebbe so, mebbe no, young man.
20:19 Brooke anyone have a flickr stream from KUDOS?
20:19 rangi coveritlive
20:20 wizzyrea sadly, i don't think there was an official one
20:20 rangi on the kudos site
20:20 wizzyrea I didn't see many people taking pictures
20:20 wizzyrea we were all too busy gabbing!
20:20 rangi had one link I think?
20:20 wizzyrea possibly
20:20 rangi u needed a kristina
20:20 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6308] Show number of comments on the "Comments" tab in OPAC <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6308>
20:20 wizzyrea we all do
20:20 wizzyrea :)
20:20 gmcharlt rangi: am I remembering correctly that it's May 22nd for 3.4.1?
20:21 rangi yep
20:21 gmcharlt thanks
20:21 rangi and may 15 for 3.2.8
20:21 rangi chris_n can correct me
20:22 Brooke ye gods, gmcharlt must have secured Elven assistance to make this happen.
20:22 rangi course may 21 is my birthday
20:22 Brooke that so?
20:22 gmcharlt rangi: so you give other people presents on your birthday? :)
20:22 Brooke so it
20:22 Brooke is
20:22 Brooke 38 years
20:22 rangi well chris_n will be doing most of it
20:22 Brooke gmcharlt: his birthday is hardly my wedding :P
20:23 rangi have u seen the cherry pick page on the wiki
20:23 rangi thats how we are tracking
20:23 rangi is working pretty well
20:23 rangi I push to master
20:24 rangi and let him know the ones I think should be in 3.4.1
20:24 rangi I've only got one wrong so far :)
20:24 gmcharlt :)
20:24 gmcharlt rangi++
20:24 gmcharlt chris_n++
20:25 cait ah I have to check that
20:25 rangi ok my stop
20:25 cait the page
20:25 wahanui the page is up, but no one stepped up
20:25 rangi brb after coffee
20:26 wizzyrea wahanui: forget the page
20:26 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot page
20:27 joetho Happy Sinkful Of Mayo
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20:35 rangi back
20:35 Brooke welcome back
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20:40 Brooke bonjour hdl.
20:41 hdl Hi Brooke
20:41 rangi hi hdl
20:42 hdl Hi rangi
20:42 rangi #koha: did we have a bug number for that renewals branch?
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20:46 rangi a bit of friday happiness
20:46 rangi
20:48 Brooke Kua haere au.
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20:58 * magnuse wishes #koha a pleasant time of the day
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21:30 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6313] Adding option to "attach another item" when finished attaching items <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6313>
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21:49 rangi hmm should i put the OpacRenewalsBranch in the circulation or opac tab for preferences?
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21:49 rangi im leaning towards circ
21:50 * wizzyrea is contrary
21:50 wizzyrea i'd go with opac
21:50 wizzyrea both make sense tho
21:50 wizzyrea i'm not helping. just call me the waffler
21:50 rangi heh
21:50 wizzyrea follow your gut, go with circ lol
21:51 rangi will do, someone can counter patch me if they want :)
21:54 rangi actually ive changed to opac
21:54 rangi because thats where
21:54 rangi OpacRenewalAllowed
21:54 rangi is
21:54 rangi ill put it right by that
21:54 wizzyrea :)
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22:05 * chris_n always follows his gut when it comes to food ;-)
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22:18 chris_n off to second shift
22:20 rangi :)
22:27 moodaepo @weather 56001
22:27 huginn moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 16.3�C (5:30 PM CDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).
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22:44 adnc_ No branches with active overduerules at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/ line 296.
22:44 adnc_ can someone help me interprete this?
22:45 adnc_ it comes as mail after a cronjob
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23:27 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5199] Renewals do not add branchcode to statistics table <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5199>
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23:45 rangi @quote random
23:45 huginn rangi: Quote #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.... eventually, ye shall stop asking." (added by gmcharlt at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
23:54 bg @wunder 93109
23:54 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 17.7�C (4:56 PM PDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady).

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