Time Nick Message 23:54 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 17.7�C (4:56 PM PDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady). 23:54 bg @wunder 93109 23:45 huginn rangi: Quote #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.... eventually, ye shall stop asking." (added by gmcharlt at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009) 23:45 rangi @quote random 23:27 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5199] Renewals do not add branchcode to statistics table <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5199> 22:45 adnc_ it comes as mail after a cronjob 22:44 adnc_ can someone help me interprete this? 22:44 adnc_ No branches with active overduerules at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl line 296. 22:27 huginn moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 16.3�C (5:30 PM CDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). 22:27 moodaepo @weather 56001 22:20 rangi :) 22:18 chris_n off to second shift 22:05 * chris_n always follows his gut when it comes to food ;-) 21:54 wizzyrea :) 21:54 rangi ill put it right by that 21:54 rangi is 21:54 rangi OpacRenewalAllowed 21:54 rangi because thats where 21:54 rangi actually ive changed to opac 21:51 rangi will do, someone can counter patch me if they want :) 21:50 wizzyrea follow your gut, go with circ lol 21:50 rangi heh 21:50 wizzyrea i'm not helping. just call me the waffler 21:50 wizzyrea both make sense tho 21:50 wizzyrea i'd go with opac 21:50 * wizzyrea is contrary 21:49 rangi im leaning towards circ 21:49 rangi hmm should i put the OpacRenewalsBranch in the circulation or opac tab for preferences? 21:30 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6313] Adding option to "attach another item" when finished attaching items <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6313> 20:58 * magnuse wishes #koha a pleasant time of the day 20:48 Brooke Kua haere au. 20:46 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt3fcZHlFRI 20:46 rangi a bit of friday happiness 20:42 rangi #koha: did we have a bug number for that renewals branch? 20:42 hdl Hi rangi 20:41 rangi hi hdl 20:41 hdl Hi Brooke 20:40 Brooke bonjour hdl. 20:35 Brooke welcome back 20:35 rangi back 20:27 joetho Happy Sinkful Of Mayo 20:26 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot page 20:26 wizzyrea wahanui: forget the page 20:25 rangi brb after coffee 20:25 wahanui the page is up, but no one stepped up 20:25 cait the page 20:25 rangi ok my stop 20:25 cait ah I have to check that 20:24 gmcharlt chris_n++ 20:24 gmcharlt rangi++ 20:24 gmcharlt :) 20:24 rangi I've only got one wrong so far :) 20:24 rangi and let him know the ones I think should be in 3.4.1 20:23 rangi I push to master 20:23 rangi is working pretty well 20:23 rangi thats how we are tracking 20:23 rangi have u seen the cherry pick page on the wiki 20:22 Brooke gmcharlt: his birthday is hardly my wedding :P 20:22 rangi well chris_n will be doing most of it 20:22 Brooke 38 years 20:22 Brooke is 20:22 Brooke so it 20:22 gmcharlt rangi: so you give other people presents on your birthday? :) 20:22 Brooke that so? 20:22 rangi course may 21 is my birthday 20:22 Brooke ye gods, gmcharlt must have secured Elven assistance to make this happen. 20:21 rangi chris_n can correct me 20:21 rangi and may 15 for 3.2.8 20:21 gmcharlt thanks 20:21 rangi yep 20:20 gmcharlt rangi: am I remembering correctly that it's May 22nd for 3.4.1? 20:20 wizzyrea :) 20:20 wizzyrea we all do 20:20 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6308] Show number of comments on the "Comments" tab in OPAC <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6308> 20:20 rangi u needed a kristina 20:20 wizzyrea possibly 20:20 rangi had one link I think? 20:20 wizzyrea we were all too busy gabbing! 20:20 wizzyrea I didn't see many people taking pictures 20:20 rangi on the kudos site 20:20 wizzyrea sadly, i don't think there was an official one 20:19 rangi coveritlive 20:19 Brooke anyone have a flickr stream from KUDOS? 20:18 Brooke mebbe so, mebbe no, young man. 20:18 * Brooke shifts on her feet. 20:17 sekjal Brooke: you still get up this way much? 20:15 Brooke there are scant few places I've not dined in that neighbourhood, and I've the stomach to prove it. 20:13 sekjal will check out Bridgeside 20:13 sekjal we've been to Blue Heron... very nice 20:13 Brooke The Blue Heron is nice for an upscale option, too. 20:13 Brooke http://bridgesidegrille.com/lunch.cfm 20:10 Brooke their shakes are divine, as well. 20:10 Brooke there used to be a lovely little cafe that served a wicked little pulled pork sandwich across the street from the bank 20:10 Brooke if you go over the little Blue Bridge into Sunderland 20:09 Brooke now, this is of extreme import 20:09 Brooke good on you 20:09 Brooke bwwewhwerahwehraher 20:09 sekjal Brooke: South Deerfield, MA. Just down the street from MassCat (a Koha library system we support) 20:07 Brooke where's the new lodge? *pry pry* 20:07 sekjal (the house, not watching TV... in case I was unclear) 20:07 sekjal cait: thanks! lots of work, but worth it 20:06 cait grats on the new house :) 20:06 cait sekjal: ... but you could if you wanted to? :) 20:05 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 20:05 wizzyrea @later tell jwagner are your kudos slides available online anywherE? 20:05 Brooke :) 20:05 rangi cool sekjal 20:05 sekjal not that I particularly want to watch TV, but... 20:05 druthb kia ora, Brooke. :) 20:05 sekjal alright, internet is all set up for the new house! and, apparently, if I plug in a TV, there's free basic cable what comes with internet service 20:05 cait hi Brooke 20:05 rangi heh 20:05 wizzyrea err reading fail 20:04 Brooke kia ora 20:04 wizzyrea jwagner: about? 20:03 rangi back 19:42 cait oleonard: probably you are right 19:40 cait oleonard: I will ask our statistics expert tomorrow :) 19:38 oleonard You're too late to slip him some cash for free HBO 19:37 sekjal okay, cable guy is folding up the ladder.. should be stable for a while... 19:36 sekjal thanks, wizzyrea. cable guy is playing with the wires on the pole outside.. hopefully I'm stable for a while longer 19:35 wizzyrea wb sekjal 19:33 * rangi will bbiab 19:33 rangi and its easy to just add another value to it 19:33 rangi im leaning towards the syspref, cos then it can please everyone 19:33 cait what they require 19:33 cait I am checking dbs and bix right now - the german library statistics 19:32 wizzyrea there was 19:32 rangi if someone wanted to update the bug, ill do it when i get to work 19:32 oleonard There was a Harley feature, I think, that showed counts for staff/OPAC renewals on the patron detail page 19:32 rangi atarau even 19:32 rangi i have to go feed atarua 19:32 rangi could be just another option for the syspref 19:31 rangi cait: sure, how about OPAC 19:31 cait ok... I will say it... could we add something ot make it show as opac renwal? 19:30 cait no problem :) 19:30 oleonard Like I said, I'll take pretty much anything over nothing if it comes to that (sorry cait) 19:29 cait crazy :P 19:29 rangi and try to solve all you fellas at once 19:28 cait hm 19:28 rangi 'null','itemhomebranch','branchissuedfrom','patronhomebranch' 19:28 rangi opacrenewalbranch 19:28 cait it's an opac rnewal 19:28 rangi but if i must, i could do a syspref 19:28 cait I think opac renwal has no place it belongs to really 19:27 cait rangi: i want to leave it empty - but I might be alone on that ;) 19:27 rangi hehe 19:27 rangi ill never do a patch 19:27 rangi see if you guys make it hard 19:27 cait hm ok 19:27 oleonard Maybe so, but we don't count other circs that way 19:27 cait they bought the item and made it available for others - why not count the renewal for them? 19:26 oleonard The item's home branch seems least relevant to me since it could have been checked out from any branch 19:26 cait and meant oleonard 19:26 cait if we have to put a brnach in there. I would like to have an option to find out about opac vs staff renewals 19:25 cait what about the library that owns the item? 19:25 cait owen: seeing the mails 19:21 oleonard Yes 19:21 rhcl this is on "koha", right? I just started popping all my email to gmail and it's goofy I think 19:20 rangi and the renewals statistics one 19:20 oleonard "CCL query query" 19:19 rhcl I must be not getting some emails--do you have a specific email subject or DTG for that? 19:17 oleonard Encouraged by KudosCon I wonder? 19:17 oleonard Big PTFS day on the mailing list today 18:46 library_systems_guy thats what i referred to 18:46 library_systems_guy http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 18:46 library_systems_guy i think it is...but i think its closer to the install stuff 18:44 wizzyrea aka how not to muck up your repo 18:44 wizzyrea cuzn if it's not, it should be 18:44 wizzyrea the steps I mean? 18:43 wizzyrea is it on the wiki "how to update your git install" 18:37 nengard good stuff 18:37 library_systems_guy nengard, thanks for the rebase bit, that fixed it 18:31 huginn joetho: The current temperature in McMurdo, Antarctica is -31.0�C (6:00 AM NZST on May 06, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -38.0�C. Pressure: 29.31 in 992 hPa (Falling). 18:31 joetho @wunder mcmurdo station 18:31 druthb (I was running around in knee-length skirts, and bg_ was bundled up like an Inuit. I was greatly amused.) 18:30 bg_ it was like 5~7 when we where there 18:30 druthb not *that* much colder in Madison, bg_. All that drama over a few degrees.. 18:30 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Maple Point, Langhorne, Pennsylvania is 16.9�C (2:30 PM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling). 18:30 nengard @wunder 19030 18:30 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.9�C (8:30 PM CEST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Steady). 18:30 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:29 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Middleton, Wisconsin is 13.0�C (1:15 PM CDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 18:29 druthb @wunder madison, wi 18:29 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 18.1�C (2:32 PM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady). 18:29 druthb @wunder 20852 18:29 bg_ ah nice to be back home 18:29 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 17.2�C (2:30 PM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady). 18:29 oleonard @wunder 45701 18:29 joetho <--recovering kohite 18:29 huginn bg_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.0�C (11:31 AM PDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Steady). 18:29 bg_ @wunder 93109 18:29 bg_ @wunder 93109 18:28 joetho MOKANOK 18:28 library_systems_guy oh oleonard...you got me 18:28 oleonard Be fair, library_systems_guy_who_forgot_that_one_time_but_who_will_remember_now 18:28 rhcl wizzyrea: we need a quarterly MOKAN region KUDOS meeting/social event 18:27 druthb lol 18:27 library_systems_guy maybe i should change my name to forgetful_library_systems_guy 18:26 library_systems_guy true...bah 18:25 nengard also remember the rebase part 18:24 library_systems_guy but i just did a git pull and got a bunch more stuff 18:24 library_systems_guy i did a git fetch and pulled patches 18:24 library_systems_guy oh wait 18:24 oleonard How is it failing? 18:23 druthb o/ 18:23 library_systems_guy i just did 18:23 oleonard library_systems_guy: Have you updated since the patch was pushed? The shelf browser appeared to be working fine for me today 18:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6263 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, shelf browser doesn't work in 3.4 18:22 library_systems_guy bug 6263 18:21 library_systems_guy let me check with margo 18:21 library_systems_guy blargh...no cleaned out my inbox 18:21 nengard any chance you remember the bug number? 18:21 nengard is it a diff problem or the same? I forget if that patch was pushed 18:20 library_systems_guy and Margo just informed me that it still wasn't working 18:20 library_systems_guy today was my first chance to do an upgrade since then 18:20 library_systems_guy remember that ticket you submitted about the shelf browser not working in 3.4 18:19 library_systems_guy anyway 18:19 library_systems_guy i won't...in a year 18:19 nengard what's up? 18:19 nengard I so don't miss having finals 18:19 nengard hiya! 18:19 library_systems_guy lol nengard :) 18:18 nengard let me go look for her 18:18 nengard she might be 18:18 library_systems_guy is nengard around anywhere? 18:18 wizzyrea *nod* 18:16 library_systems_guy lots of studying 18:16 library_systems_guy finals next week 18:16 library_systems_guy indeed 18:16 wizzyrea ^.^ busy week :) 18:16 library_systems_guy long time no see 18:16 wizzyrea whahanui: shh 18:16 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet 18:16 library_systems_guy hey wizzyrea 18:16 wizzyrea hey LSG 18:16 wizzyrea libanywhere is a service, though 18:15 wizzyrea libanywhere also works with blackberry 18:15 wizzyrea kiritaki koha 18:15 wizzyrea oh, wait, yes I did 18:15 wizzyrea http://www.appbrain.com/app/kiritaki-koha-(beta)/nz.net.catalyst.KiritakiKoha 18:15 wizzyrea oh, no I didn't! 18:15 rhcl well. Thanks for the info. 18:14 wizzyrea I am sure I didn't spell that right let me go find the right spelling 18:14 wizzyrea libraryanywhere for iphone/android 18:14 wizzyrea kiritiaki koha for android 18:14 rhcl I'm all ears 18:14 wizzyrea a few actually 18:14 wizzyrea yep 18:14 rhcl wizzyrea: one of my librarians asked me if there was a koha-specific smart app that apparently some library ILSs have. Something that is designed to connect to an OPAC but specifically designed for a hand-held device. Know of anything like this? 18:13 wizzyrea probably close to zero :P 18:12 oleonard Hmm.... What are the chances that it does? 18:11 wizzyrea or even tell you what they are, so that you can replicate on the new system? 18:11 wizzyrea when you export, does it bring with it any associated authvalues definitions? 18:10 wizzyrea ah question re: framework export 18:07 * coryj shakes his fist at NickServ. "Darn bots!" 17:59 mib_2swanq *oleonard 17:59 mib_2swanq thanks for all the help oleanard 17:56 mib_2swanq i'll look to it tomorrow... now it's time to go home and watch Braga-Benfica (yes i'm portuguese :)) 17:55 oleonard mib_2swanq, you will be cheered by all if you can fix it. 17:54 mib_2swanq i have to fix the bug by some way.... there is only thing that's is not correctly working in my system 17:53 cait hi all 17:53 mib_2swanq :/ if the renewscript.pl and return.pl shoudn't be that different 17:50 oleonard You have to use returns.pl 17:50 oleonard You can't, not unless you fix that bug. 17:50 mib_2swanq this is a problem, because the library is using the patron detail page for check in and i need to trigger the holds 17:48 oleonard (and I say that as the patch author) 17:48 oleonard A very minor patch which doesn't do that much to fix the problem 17:47 mib_2swanq hummm ok... but I can see that there is a patch... 17:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3514 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , Returning items through patron Details tab doesn't activate all circulation functions 17:46 oleonard Bug 3514 17:45 oleonard Checking in items from the list of checkouts on the circulation or patron detail screen 17:45 mib_2swanq 2 option? 17:45 mib_2swanq which function? 17:45 oleonard I recommend not using it. 17:44 oleonard mib_2swanq: That's not surprising, that function is buggy 17:44 mib_2swanq in the tab check out of patrons when check in the items the email isn't sent 17:43 mib_2swanq i think that i'm closing to the problem.... when using the returns.pl in the circulation menu i think that the email is sent 17:40 mib_2swanq yes... check in and checked out notices are being sent 17:39 oleonard mib_2swanq: If you go to /cgi-bin/koha/members/notices.pl?borrowernumber=XX can you see notices queued for the patron? 17:37 mib_2swanq but i'm having a problem that after a item is check in the patron in first place on queue is not receiving the email saying that the hold is filled 17:34 mib_2swanq :) 17:34 mib_2swanq ok thanks... 17:34 oleonard I think so 17:33 mib_2swanq ? 17:33 mib_2swanq it's all i need 17:33 mib_2swanq yes... I have the cronjob and the system preference set to 2 17:33 oleonard And I believe there is a cron job that needs to run in order to automatically cancel holds 17:32 oleonard That should be set to 2 17:32 oleonard See ReservesMaxPickUpDelay instead 17:32 oleonard mib_2swanq: The ReservesNeedReturns is unrelated to your requirement I think 17:31 mib_2swanq what i need to have: if a item is checked out the others patrons can reserve it, after checked in the patron in first on the queue have 2 days to get the book 17:29 oleonard mib_2swanq: Are you referring to the holds awaiting pickup report? 17:29 mib_2swanq after check in... 17:28 mib_2swanq so it's better to turn it on if i want to put one reserve on problematic after 2 days 17:21 oleonard mib_2swanq: If turned on, it means that items will not be marked as "waiting" until you check them in 17:10 mib_2swanq what does this system preference ReservesNeedReturns ? 16:43 coryj I'm just going to ignore that for now and assume nobody will be doing a title search for "amp" 16:42 coryj gmcharlt: zebra_rebuild.pl -x still appears to include "&" in the indexes if there is an & in the title. 16:33 mib_2swanq thanks slef anyway :) 16:33 joetho voting, by God (?) 16:32 slef nengard++ for the username patch 16:32 slef anyway, I've got to go vote. Let's see if nengard or wizzyrea understand this <vbg> 16:31 mib_2swanq I my problem is solved looool 16:31 mib_2swanq now i'm trying 9 (managed in tab), 1 default value, hidden -5... 16:29 slef so what are you putting for Managed in tab, Default value and Hidden? 16:29 slef I'm not a librarian and definitely not a cataloguer and dislike being reminded of my inadequacy ;-) 16:28 slef like grumble but quicker 16:28 mib_2swanq grml? 16:28 slef grml 16:27 slef ah yeah, the problem is defaulting to 1 16:27 mib_2swanq bu i can try again 16:26 mib_2swanq i've tried all types of hidden (-9...9) but by some reason after creation the subfield appears in the record edition 16:25 * slef looks it up 16:25 slef mib_2swanq: I'm doing this without looking, but don't you want hidden rather than ignored? 16:25 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot no one 16:25 wizzyrea wahanui: forget no one 16:25 nengard slef, patch written to solve your issue :) 16:24 slef I'm a bit busy today. 16:24 slef sorry 16:24 wahanui it has been said that no one is denying that biblibre is doing good work here - it just seems odd to me that one of the biggest companies should introduce new "things" that break old "things" that a lot of people still want... 16:24 mib_2swanq no one? 16:21 mib_2swanq my doubt is how to omit the 942$n subfield from default model and it be filled by omission with value 1? 16:20 mib_2swanq but with that change the records are created with no 942$n subfield filled 16:20 mib_2swanq now I wanted to omit the subfield in the default model, so I've changed the value of the managed tab to ignored 16:18 mib_2swanq the omission value is 1 (after creation the records doesn't appear in OPAC) 16:17 mib_2swanq the Zebra indexation works fine 16:17 mib_2swanq the records with 0 appears in the OPAC, with 1 don't appear 16:16 mib_2swanq i've created one subfield 942$n - Suppress to suppress some records from OPAC 16:15 mib_2swanq it can be big depending on your answer :P 16:14 nengard got me two +1 so I'll write up that patch now 16:14 Oak we only entertain big questions here 16:14 mib_2swanq I have one little question about koha and marc frameworks. 16:13 mib_2swanq hi koha community :) 16:11 adnc_ hi koha 16:08 Oak good stuff! 16:08 Oak have not heard many people say 'good stuff' :) 16:06 nengard good stuff 16:06 gmcharlt nengard: agree that a more generic name for the username field makes sense 16:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6312 enhancement, P5, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , login/password shouldn't be labeled as 'opac' 16:01 nengard looking for feedback on bug 6312 before i make code changes 15:59 slef nengard: thanks! 15:59 nengard slef, i'm going to report a enh request for that, to see if anyone has any objections - it's something I can easily fix if everyone wants it fixed 15:54 slef [off] not that it's a bug I'm going to deal with today. Some of you now know why I've been quiet, why I'm drowning in crap and why I've been dealing with username/password edits enough to notice that. 15:53 nengard I'm a-ok with changing it to just 'username' 15:53 nengard it's very confusing to librarians 15:53 nengard no clue 15:53 slef random question: why is it OPAC username on the Edit Patron screen when it works on the librarian interface? 15:53 nengard would love to see that one fixed 15:52 oleonard It's been a bug in Koha forever 15:52 jwagner OK, thanks. I hadn't seen that one fly by.... 15:52 oleonard Yes 15:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5199 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Renewals do not add branchcode to statistics table 15:51 jwagner oleonard, the bug report you referred to on the listserv is Bug 5199, correct? 15:51 coryj Another 1/2 pot of coffee and I'll be coherent. 15:47 Oak ! 15:46 oleonard ? 15:46 Oak __8__ <-- Titanic 15:46 slef rhcl: http://www.n-somerset.gov.uk/voting is our local. Yay lack of standardisation ;-) 15:45 wizzyrea /o\ 15:45 Oak who will do the titanic? 15:45 Oak \o> 15:45 wizzyrea <o/ 15:44 Oak \o/ 15:44 wizzyrea o/ 15:44 Oak \o 15:34 rhcl perhaps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011 15:33 rhcl_away What's the breakout or amplifying data for "AV referendum"? 15:31 * oleonard imagines it will be a cold day in hell before the US passes anything like that 15:31 slef oleonard: I think they don't start counting for about 24h from now. 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6081 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Do not show "not for loan" description if false 15:29 oleonard Does anyone know under what circumstances Bug 6081 can be seen in action? 15:27 oleonard slef: When will you know the results of the AV referendum? 15:25 slef SRS are not a good registrar :) 15:25 wizzyrea jedi table, we should find out if it's gonna lock us into a specific version of jquery 15:24 wizzyrea sorry, I didn't mean to derail that conversation, back to srs business 15:23 wizzyrea hehehe 15:22 gmcharlt coffee too cold? bit of Force lightning to the rescue 15:22 wizzyrea mmm tasty you are! 15:21 * wizzyrea imagines Yoda eating a sandwich and reading the paper, giggles 15:21 oleonard Yeah, we never got to see the Jedi cafeteria 15:20 wizzyrea they are also not eating there ^.^ 15:20 wizzyrea rofl 15:20 oleonard Don't be silly, you can plainly see the Jedi don't use a table: http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/gambia/106/councilxxx.jpg 15:20 wizzyrea jedi table is suspended by the force alone 15:19 gmcharlt do the table legs double as light sabers? 15:18 wizzyrea :D 15:18 paul_p Jedi Table ? DarkVador chair ? :D 15:18 gmcharlt but (from my POV), without having actually looked at it yet, dunno if it's being maintained enough to not break when we want to adopt jQuery 1.5+ 15:17 wizzyrea ok, is it J editable or Jedi Table? Because if it's Jedi Table, then by default it should go in on pure awesome alone. (I kid) 15:17 gmcharlt oleonard: yeah, I'm not dismissing jeditable out of hand, and it has a good rating 15:17 oleonard In Jeditable's favor, the author still responds to comments on his site. there was a commit in January, although a minor one. 15:16 kf gmcharlt: you should add that to the bug I think 15:12 gmcharlt either way, we'd want to make sure that we're not locking ourselves into an old version of jQuery by using it 15:12 gmcharlt or that it's not particularly active 15:12 gmcharlt so that either means that it's generic enough that it's "done" 15:12 gmcharlt jeditable has not been receiving much in the way of updates for the past couple years 15:11 gmcharlt also, would need a look 15:07 wizzyrea packaging should be getting easier, not harder. 15:07 gmcharlt i.e., the discussion (or argument) is about what needs to happen to make that dependency packageable 15:07 wizzyrea man, i don't wanna go there. we should not go backwards 15:07 gmcharlt IOW, it really needs to be based on a packaged version of jeditable, or at least a version we can stick in the Koha tree and release that way, not on a link to a git repository 15:06 gmcharlt oleonard: well, upshot of the discussion on that bug is that *requiring* use of a git submodule would make Koha difficult to package again 15:04 * magnus_away is really away now 15:04 magnus_away ? 15:02 magnus_away "Submodules allow foreign repositories to be embedded within a dedicated subdirectory of the source tree, always pointed at a particular commit." 15:02 magnus_away oleonard: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-submodule.html 15:01 oleonard What's all this about submodules? 15:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5872 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, christophe.croullebois, ASSIGNED , Enhancements to circulation management 15:01 * oleonard does not understand the discussion on Bug 5872 14:47 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6311] end_patron_session always reports a non-existent error <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6311> 14:18 nengard :) 14:18 nengard aww shucks 14:16 kf lots of reasons for karma 14:16 kf nengard++ 14:16 nengard :) 14:15 magnuse nengard++ # for signing off 14:15 kf oleonard++ 14:08 magnuse nevertheless... 14:07 oleonard Low-hanging fruit :) 14:07 magnuse oleonard++ # 21 minutes from mention of missing tablesorter to patch ;-) 13:59 jwagner Yes, that would be the framework setup, then. I was just suggesting other areas to simplify. 13:59 nengard oleonard++ 13:59 f3ew jwagner, more of a need "ISBN, Book title, Author, quantity, date of purchase, price" and nothing else 13:58 magnuse f3ew: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/optional/marc21_fastadd_framework.sql;hb=HEAD 13:58 jwagner f3ew, you can also remove some of the clutter from staff logins by using granular permissions and not assigning permissions for modules your staff don't need. For example, if you aren't using acquisitions or serials, no need to have those modules visible. 13:57 * f3ew googles 13:55 gmcharlt f3ew: in particular, the fast-add framework is a good starting point for a simple one to use 13:53 wizzyrea with only the fields you need 13:53 wizzyrea yep, you can use a very simple framework 13:52 f3ew and a very part time librarian 13:52 hdl hi magnuse 13:52 f3ew The use case in this case is a corporate in-house library, without the need for MARC or book sizes 13:51 f3ew Is there a way to dumb down the Koha interface a lot? 13:51 magnuse bonjour hdl 13:51 magnuse sorry kf, i have no idea what a feedback report is... but it sure sounds useful! ;-) 13:49 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5876] New permission for overdues report <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5876> 13:44 * chris_n agrees with that! 13:44 kf hehe 13:42 * magnuse thinks monday has a wardrobe full of scary outfits... 13:41 * oleonard assumes it wears some kind of scary hat 13:39 * oleonard wonder's what Monday's outfit looks like 13:39 kf must be a monday in costume of a thursday 13:38 kf and I have no idea what it means 13:38 kf I have a red entry called feedback report 13:38 * kf stares on her todo list 13:38 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6309] subscription table sorter in the opac <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6309> 13:38 * kf sends gmcharlt some espresso 13:36 gmcharlt oy 13:36 gmcharlt you had said that, of course 13:36 * gmcharlt needs more coffee 13:36 gmcharlt ;) 13:36 gmcharlt oleonard: drink, Owen, drink - how else do you think standards like MARC21 get developed? 13:35 oleonard Known as MARC21 in the US so that everyone knows it's old enough to drink. 13:35 * magnuse can't wait to get rid of *all* of them ;-) 13:35 magnuse thanks gmcharlt, thats just about what i thought 13:35 gmcharlt or more precisely, usmarc merged with CANMARC and UKMARC to become MARC21 13:34 gmcharlt magnuse: usmarc *is* marc21 13:34 magnuse i will definitely have a go at that and add anything i figure out along the way to the page 13:30 nengard :) 13:30 magnuse yay! 13:30 magnuse ah yes, but usmarc is probably similar to marc21 (which is similar to normarc)? 13:30 nengard will beef it up as I have time ;) 13:29 nengard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Importing_MARC_from_LibraryThing_to_Koha 13:29 nengard magnuse LT only exports in USMARC right now - fyi 13:29 magnuse and i'm toying with the idea of offering free koha installations for personal use to nordic library people... 13:28 * magnuse too 13:28 * kf has her books in libarything too 13:28 kf nengard++ 13:27 nengard of course this only works for a not real library - otherwise you have to go in and add real barcodes to all of the items 13:26 magnuse nengard++ 13:26 nengard it was a bit frustrating, so I'd love to help you all :) hehe 13:26 nengard I'll gladly share 13:26 nengard and then you can do swap field data to pull the call number and barcode 13:26 magnuse having that on the wiki would be super cool! 13:25 nengard you do add field and add a 952 with you $a, $b, $2, $y 13:25 nengard it's easy peasy 13:25 kf wit marcedit? 13:25 kf is there a trick to add a lot of items at once? 13:25 nengard kf sure can 13:25 nengard magnus the first one ... fuzzy i think 13:25 kf I would love to try that sometim 13:25 kf can you put that on the wiki somewhere? 13:25 nengard I used the 001 as my barcode (since it's a fake system) and the 050ab as my call number 13:25 magnuse nengard: what format did you export from LT? 13:25 kf cool! 13:24 nengard The reason I did it that way was cause the LT file wouldn't open in marcedit cause of errors in the file that koha just ignored :) 13:24 nengard 8. import marc file with items to koha 13:24 nengard 7. rebuild zebra 13:24 nengard 6. clean original koha import 13:24 nengard 5. add items 13:24 nengard 4. open in marcedit 13:24 nengard 3. export from koha 13:24 nengard 2. import to koha 13:23 nengard 1. export from LT 13:23 nengard I had a few steps: 13:23 nengard no 13:23 oleonard Does it export items too? 13:23 nengard now my test system has my real library 13:23 nengard yesterday i exported my librarything collection and imported it to koha!! :) 13:21 kf magnuse has been busy too 13:21 kf today is enh day :) 13:21 nengard it was my imagination :) gonna put an enhancement in there ;) 13:20 nengard k 13:20 oleonard Not even an ID on the table. 13:20 oleonard Not unless someone deliberately took it out 13:20 nengard which is what i have as the default 13:20 nengard or i should say : cgi-bin/koha/opac-serial-issues.pl?selectview=full&biblionumber=4038 13:20 nengard url: /cgi-bin/koha/opac-serial-issues.pl?biblionumber=4038 13:19 nengard the full detail page 13:19 nengard yes 13:18 oleonard The table of issues? 13:18 nengard is it my imagination or did the subscription page in the OPAC used to have a JS table sorter on it? 13:15 kf perhaps 13:14 oleonard Bad memories. 13:14 kf we talked about deprecating them (which would also solve the bug ;) ) 13:14 kf and he dislikes the guided reports... 13:13 kf oleonard: yep, I asked him, but he probably found no time for it yet 12:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6306 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , It is not possible edit news 12:57 * oleonard is starting to think the same thing about Bug 6306 12:54 oleonard It's probably a fix rangi will spot immediately if he takes a look 12:54 kf I see no reason for it not working :( 12:54 kf until I gave up 12:54 kf 2 hours... 12:54 kf yes, I tried to fix it too 12:53 kf oleonard: it's probably the known bug - I answered it 12:53 oleonard kf: I spent a while trying to fix that bug (without success) so I remembered it! 12:53 kf for fixing that duplicate bug so fast :) 12:52 oleonard I see a question about 'browse shelf' on the mailing list, and it raises a question: If you have all three "ShelfBrowserUses*" prefs on, does it limit to a unique combination of all three? 12:47 oleonard PTFS-- 12:47 * oleonard sees that once again koha.org lists a months-out-of-date Koha download 12:46 oleonard Many people have expressed their desire for one but so far no one has done it 12:45 tcohen are there any works on having a mobile-oriented UI? 12:43 tcohen hi oleonard 12:35 oleonard Thanks kf, what was that for? 12:30 kf oleonard++ 12:13 magnuse yay 12:13 slef I was just thinking maybe koha should use http://en.gravatar.com/site/implement/images/ if it doesn't already, but hesitating because of the terms of use. Good to see that's in there, even using a freer service as first preference. 12:10 huginn 04Bug 6298: enhancement, P5, ---, fmarier, ASSIGNED , Profile pictures in the OPAC next to review authors 12:10 magnuse slef: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6298 12:10 * oleonard puts on his 3D glasses 12:09 slef awesome avatars? 12:07 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 05:19 PM, February 24, 2010) 12:07 gmcharlt @quote random 12:05 magnuse fmarier++ # for those awesome avatars (too bad comments are probably not used a lot in most OPACs...) 12:00 jwagner Hi conan 11:52 conan hi everysoul 11:05 druthb hi, AmitG! :) 10:58 AmitG heya druthb 10:47 * druthb waves to Irma 10:42 huginn kf_mtg: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (12:20 PM CEST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 10:42 kf_mtg @wunder boo 10:37 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 6.6�C (6:39 AM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Rising). 10:37 druthb @wunder 20852 10:35 * magnuse puts on an extra shirt and wanders off in search of lunch 10:35 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 37.0�C (3:30 PM IST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 10:35 magnuse @wunder new delhi 10:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (12:20 PM CEST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 10:34 magnuse @wunder boo 10:34 magnuse \o 10:29 druthb o/ 10:25 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 10:25 huginn AmitG: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 10:25 AmitG @wounder New Delhi 10:25 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 10:25 huginn AmitG: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 10:25 AmitG @later 09:09 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. 09:09 slef @later tell SpaceLibrarian England is part of Europe (the UK too, but I don't really agree with us being part of that ;-) ) 08:05 eythian later 08:04 eythian well, it would mean that if I'd spelt it right, anyway 'welterusten' 08:04 magnuse ah, have a good night, then! 08:04 eythian yeah, means 'good night'. Because I'm off :) 08:03 magnuse dutch? 08:03 magnuse um, hi eythian 08:03 eythian Weltrusten, #koha :) 07:59 magnuse yeah, it's sort of ambiguous - "dag" sort of comes after "morgen", but at the same time it can mean a whole day, not just the middle of it (i think) 07:58 kmkale aahh. Thanks 07:57 kf I think god dag is later? 07:57 magnuse kmkale: god morgen = good morning, god dag = "good day" (it can be used any time of the day) 07:57 kmkale magnuse: kf said god morgen and you said god dag. Whats the difference? 07:56 magnuse god dag kf and kmkale ;-) 07:54 kmkale Namaste magnuse 07:54 kmkale Namaste kf 07:53 kf namaskar kmkale and god morgen magnuse 07:34 magnuse namaskar kmkale 07:32 kmkale Namaskar #koha 07:32 magnuse kia ora #koha 07:16 kf hi #koha 07:06 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 07:06 rangi @later tell kf yes i think the person has misunderstood it doesnt need a to address, the process message queue script does that 06:34 cait hi alex_a 06:34 AmitG heya cait 06:34 alex_a hi #koha 06:34 cait hi Broke and AmitG 06:32 AmitG heya chris 06:32 AmitG heya all 06:16 Brooke bid! 06:06 * Space_Librarian preapres to wander off and pack for a conference in soggy Waitomo... 05:58 cait hm 05:57 cait we started sending overdues for one of our libraries this week, 3.2.2. And the librarian told me happily that her coworker had received the notice just as planned 05:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6302 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Failing to send email notices - to_address not set 05:56 cait bug 6302 is weird 05:51 * Space_Librarian waves 05:51 cait :) 05:51 cait hi Space_Librarian 05:46 Space_Librarian morning cait 05:46 cait good morning #koha 05:42 Space_Librarian sounds interesting. 05:41 Brooke I'm considering writing a paper for First Monday on gender in Koha 05:33 * druthb heads to bed. 05:16 wizzyrea` ha HAH 05:14 druthb yis. 05:14 Space_Librarian We need t-shirts. srsly. 05:14 Space_Librarian :D 05:13 druthb Koha_chicks_taking_over_#koha++ 05:12 Space_Librarian adios 05:11 wizzyrea` latah 05:11 Brooke ciao even 05:11 Brooke ciap 05:11 * rangi wanders off 05:11 rangi ok home time 05:11 wizzyrea` skip to 9s in this vid http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/archives/2006/10/102606.html 05:10 Space_Librarian so I'll let you fight it out for second. :p 05:10 Space_Librarian I have already won... 05:08 wizzyrea` more properly: NERD FIGHT! 05:08 Brooke nerdoneupmanship is gs based. 05:06 wizzyrea` gnite joann 05:06 eythian bye joann 05:06 druthb thanx, joann! g'night. 05:06 Space_Librarian bye Jo 05:06 Brooke night night 05:06 joann night all 05:06 wizzyrea` nerd oneupmanship 05:06 joann i'm off home to cook yummy dinner for neighbours whose husband/dad died last night 05:06 Space_Librarian eythian ++ 05:05 Space_Librarian what have we done? 05:05 eythian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo <-- I'm just going to leave this here to prevent it spiraling down 05:05 wizzyrea` oh lawd. 05:05 Brooke GET OFF THE LAWN! 05:05 joann a lot (actually) ... rather wrangle data than people anyday 05:05 Brooke when dinosaurs and gal trader roamed the earth 05:05 Brooke I was on the TAMU mud 05:05 Brooke back in the day 05:05 Brooke now you see here 05:04 rangi youre all newbies, when i was young we had to bang rocks together to make electricity to play pong 05:04 joann makes me miss IT work really .... 05:04 joann druthb great presntation 05:04 * Space_Librarian is slightly more old school than wow. 05:03 Space_Librarian Suddenly, your KOhaCon abstract makes so much more sense... 05:03 wizzyrea` I learned more about people being an officer in a raiding guild than I have at any other point (well, until I was involved in the koha community, that is) 05:03 Space_Librarian lol. 05:03 Brooke but RealID is kinda spoiling that, but I could still get round it with permission and such. 05:03 Brooke and if I wasn't such a jackarse, my data would be anonymised. 05:03 wizzyrea` i actually completely agree with that sentiment 05:03 Brooke it is freggin fascinating for group dynamics. 05:02 Brooke because it is obtusely good for adminughstrative skillz/ 05:02 Brooke as featured on wow.com babe. 05:02 Space_Librarian why? 05:02 Space_Librarian really? 05:01 * Brooke needs click shiny cds more often. 05:01 Space_Librarian you don't. 05:01 Brooke Omnotron 05:01 Brooke a yep 05:01 Space_Librarian Brooke: raiding? 05:00 eythian http://paste.koha-community.org/35 <-- that's what my migration scripts end up looking like. 04:58 * Brooke blames it on raiding late at night instead of sleeping. 04:58 eythian (and also I don't really need it) 04:57 rangi eythian++ 04:57 eythian druthb: pretty much. I refuse to use that because it's not free software :) 04:57 wizzyrea` that may be the most gruesome metaphor ever for koha 04:57 druthb eythian: Much as I flatly refuse to use MARCEdit except as a viewer, really. 04:57 wizzyrea` koha = the freezer where you keep the preserved head of your library data? 04:56 Brooke dahmer scripts? 04:55 eythian Mostly, I refuse to touch spreadsheets except as viewers, and I try to get all incoming data as close to CSV as they can get it and then use a handful of scripts to chop everything up and import into Koha/produce MARC. 04:54 eythian druthb: interesting differences there compared to how I do it, although nothing too fundamental. 04:53 Brooke coz I'm lazay 04:53 Brooke then I skivved off tonight 04:51 Brooke People were shocked. 04:51 Brooke I *lead* Dave at one point. 04:49 Brooke I keep tellin' meself I'm not meant to trash talk in fencing 04:49 Space_Librarian lol. 04:49 Brooke nope, that's the fencing 04:49 Space_Librarian ;) 04:49 Space_Librarian with razor sharp wit... 04:49 Space_Librarian it didn't kill you, so ergo, it made you stronger... 04:48 * Brooke cries from PTSD 04:48 Brooke I wasn't even paid! 04:48 wizzyrea` haha 04:48 Brooke not my fault they chained me to a desk and made me do spanish cataloguing against me will. 04:48 wizzyrea` s/compelling/interesting 04:48 Space_Librarian with whips driving you, yes. 04:48 * wizzyrea` stares slantily at Brooke 04:48 Brooke surely you must be compelled to do it 04:48 Space_Librarian well... 04:47 Brooke cataloguing is always compelling 04:47 joann ian's 04:47 joann i saw ina's git one 04:47 joann i played with prezi once and i am nowhere near creative enough to use it (sadly) 04:47 wizzyrea` and ian's git preso was pretty great 04:46 Space_Librarian he made cataloguing compelling?! This I *need* to see... 04:46 Brooke I know where you live, theoretically. 04:46 Brooke can't hide til August 04:46 wizzyrea` dunno, galen's was pretty awesome too -- who else do you know that can make cataloging compelling 04:46 * druthb hides. 04:46 eythian cool ta 04:45 Brooke yeah clearly Ruth's preso was the best. 04:45 Space_Librarian http://www.librarygeekgirl.net/downloads/ 04:45 wahanui i heard that was too complicated 04:45 eythian where is that? 04:44 Space_Librarian should be on Ruth's blog now? 04:44 wizzyrea` it was very good 04:44 eythian where are they available? 04:44 Space_Librarian which looked good - I've read the slides and notes. 04:44 wizzyrea` "write down how you did it, and do it that way for every extract" 04:44 wizzyrea` that was one of the tenets of Ruth's presentation 04:43 eythian I love how every time someone sends me data, they tweak the export options to make it different in some subtle way. 04:42 joann ok - i can only 'see' the powerpoint but if you unzip and send me the paper i would appreciate that 04:41 wizzyrea` :) 04:41 joann i've looked atthe powerpoint and didn't self destruct 04:41 wizzyrea` well it's pptx, so yea, that's not far from the truth 04:41 rangi :) 04:41 rangi virus 04:41 wizzyrea` and a 3rd unidentified something or other 04:41 wizzyrea` a video and a ppt 04:41 eythian ah 04:41 wizzyrea` nah, it's got 3 files 04:40 rangi if its powerpoint its probably 83934239234 gb unzipped 04:39 eythian wizzyrea`: why zip it at all? 04:39 wizzyrea` cool 04:38 joann no - i've got it open now 04:38 rangi dont do that 04:38 rangi remember jack from kapiti? 04:38 rangi and set up koha to talk to the system you get 04:37 wizzyrea` k, lmk if you have trouble, cuz I'm going ahead and unrar then zipping it 04:37 rangi or 'that will work' 04:37 rangi or want to support custom made rfid solution .. but we would be happy to go, 'that wont work' 04:37 joann i'll download winrar liz - dont worry 04:37 joann true 04:36 rangi joann: i doubt catalyst wants to get into the hardware game 04:36 joann i sent it to you too chris 04:36 rangi they might force you to have it anyway tho 04:36 rangi you wouldnt need it 04:36 wizzyrea` gimme a min 04:36 wizzyrea` it's a rar, you'd need winrar. let me see what I can do about that 04:36 joann what is a .rar file? 04:35 joann can't open it though ... 04:35 * wizzyrea` idly wonders if you'd still need a proprietary-ish device driver 04:35 * Space_Librarian likes this idea 04:35 rangi :) 04:34 rangi and you are all good 04:34 rangi get them to sign on the dotted line saying it will work with linux, with no proprietary software needed 04:34 * Brooke hopes it's in espanol 04:34 wizzyrea` :D yay! 04:34 joann its arrived ! 04:34 joann yeah - thats what i liked abouttechlogic 04:34 rangi but the trick is like i say, you want something that can talk straight to the ils, we dont want to have to run through some middle obfustication layer 04:34 wizzyrea` 3M is ghastly expensive, imo 04:33 rangi joann: techlogic seemed ok 04:33 wizzyrea` sure 04:33 joann thanks for that 04:33 joann its not here yet - but that should get through ok 04:32 wizzyrea` 4MB ppt tho 04:32 wizzyrea` sent 04:32 joann they all come to gmail so any one will be fine 04:31 wizzyrea` nm you're in my address book. Clever addressbook. 04:31 wizzyrea` which email addy? 04:30 wizzyrea` I have them now I think, lemme look and I'll send em to ya 04:30 rangi then you are gravy 04:30 wizzyrea` lol 04:30 wizzyrea` i'm too slow! 04:30 rangi ie a standard input device 04:30 wizzyrea` (in truth, the reader ... dangit!) 04:30 joann wizzyrea: you reckon you could get the ecuador paper / slides? 04:30 rangi that acts exactly like a barcode reader 04:30 rangi if you can get an rfid reader 04:30 joann nods 04:29 rangi soon as you do that, theres a big point of fail right away 04:29 rangi or a vendor that doesnt require you to stick a windows machine anywhere in the mix 04:29 wizzyrea` we've had very few real issues with Koha (more with not-koha) 04:29 joann i did like techlogic better than 3M 04:28 wizzyrea` *nod* same experience here, though the 3M software is pretty straightforward 04:28 joann albany with 3M? 04:28 druthb that's what I understood, yes, wizzyrea` 04:28 joann so maybe we should not go with a vendor just do it ourselves chris 04:28 rangi that was the problem albany high school ran into 04:28 rangi if you can make sure you dont have that stupidity, everything is easier 04:28 wizzyrea` they hid the security gates with lovely wood 04:28 wizzyrea` one thing that I did like about their setup 04:28 rangi between the rfid reader and the ils 04:28 rangi its with some stupid proprietary software getting in the way 04:27 rangi is nothing to do with rfid 04:27 wizzyrea` and used ILSDI to interconnect everything... is that right? 04:27 rangi all the problems ive seen with rfid 04:27 joann which is very tempting. 04:27 wizzyrea` yea, it looked to me like they set up with off the shelf RFID readers 04:27 joann and that too, will be on chris's to do list once the new budget comes in 04:26 druthb bit of a language barrier, but it looked to me like they had put together a pretty cool way to not spend a gazillion dollars setting things up. 04:26 rangi thats an enhancement proposal, code doesnt exist yet 04:26 wizzyrea` and yes, with a few very minor issues it works well with the self check and smart chute machiens 04:26 joann bywater posted somewhere about payments and sip2 as well 04:26 rangi and thats got nothing to do with RFID 04:26 wizzyrea` 3M 04:26 wizzyrea` well I have a RFID library 04:26 rangi its what the machine then does with it that matters 04:26 joann yep - and they have got that working smoothlythen? 04:26 rangi rfid is just reading stuff off chips 04:26 wizzyrea` that 04:26 wizzyrea` ^^^^^ 04:26 rangi its actually sip2 04:26 wizzyrea` ^^ 04:25 joann coz that may well be rangi's next mission if he chooses to accept it 04:25 rangi the thing to remember is, rfid is nothign to do with ils 04:25 wizzyrea` oh, I think it works well - 04:25 eythian they've all gone quiet... 04:25 rangi anything good/useful 04:25 joann just hoe 'good' do you think the koha 3.x - rfid is 04:25 rangi the ecuador rfid talk 04:25 * druthb just got back, sort of. 04:25 wizzyrea` what was the question? I dropped out for a mo 04:24 wizzyrea` Oh, yes 04:24 joann wizzyrea: any thoughts on the ecuador RFID 04:24 rangi the rest of us werent there, so have no idea 04:24 rangi oh if druthb is still around 04:24 joann nuff said then 04:24 rangi i think wizzyrea` is the only one here who was the talk 04:23 * Space_Librarian laughs 04:23 * Brooke will say naught on the subject and goes to mutter in the corner. 04:22 joann how 'good' is the rfid-koha? 04:22 joann the south american RFID - Koha talk at kudos 04:22 joann so clever people in the know: 04:21 Brooke tell it to the judge, lady. 04:21 Brooke mm hmm 04:21 joann i think when my batteries get low the wireless keyboard just piks letters at random 04:20 Brooke she's using a french keyboard ;) 04:20 joann ewasyed = wasted :p 04:20 rangi :) 04:20 rangi has someone rearranged all your keys? 04:20 joann perhaps a few rounds of russian roulette with the bot to finish off the day 04:20 joann not an entirely ewasyed day 04:20 joann just learnt summat! 04:20 joann yay! 04:19 joann :p 04:19 ibeardslee : 04:19 joann lol 04:19 joann '.'p 04:19 joann .p 04:19 joann .P 04:19 joann "P 04:19 joann and look sad or happy 04:19 ibeardslee ':' and a 'P' 04:19 joann i can wink 04:19 joann ;) 04:19 joann like that 04:18 ibeardslee :P 04:18 joann i meant with keystrokes 04:18 rangi tewhatewha if you want to poke things 04:18 joann have to disconnect again i think 04:17 Brooke use a taiaha 04:17 joann (how do i poke a tongue out?) 04:17 Brooke I use colloquy but with identify it isn't happy 04:17 rangi i think oleonard uses chatzilla and likes it 04:17 Brooke love em and leave em 04:16 joann it does seem to drop us off a lot 04:16 rangi they used to use xchat back in the day 04:16 rangi anything other than mibbit :) 04:15 eythian irssi? 04:15 rangi we need to get jo using a real irc client again 04:08 joann :) 04:08 joann Liz 04:08 Space_Librarian wizzyrea`: I know this one. :) 04:08 wizzyrea` hi joann :) 04:08 Brooke 0/ 04:07 wizzyrea` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siIDzHLEwfg 04:07 ibeardslee some songs play from there 04:04 wizzyrea` works from here those jerks. 04:03 ibeardslee yeap 04:03 wizzyrea` oh that's just annoying 04:02 wizzyrea` hrmph. 04:02 ibeardslee Ahh 404 Error by Page not found 04:02 wizzyrea` seriously! 04:02 rangi 404 error 04:01 wizzyrea` http://grooveshark.com/s/Breathe/2xgh4F?src=5 04:01 wizzyrea` un mo 04:01 ibeardslee doesn't even saying what it was, so that we could search for an alternate version 04:00 wizzyrea` ibeardslee: that's true, but I'm not sure my humming is up to scratch for that 04:00 ibeardslee mutter 03:58 wizzyrea` lol 03:58 wizzyrea` oh bother. 03:58 rangi thats alright, cos i hate them 03:58 rangi emi hate nz 03:57 wizzyrea` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdUpxch4F8M 03:56 Space_Librarian yes it is... 03:56 wizzyrea` this isn't it but it's a good one 03:55 ibeardslee there are a bunch if android and iphone apps that can have a good go at working out what the song is 03:55 rangi im pretty sure thats it 03:55 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjrUOlK2714 03:55 ibeardslee hmm it 03:54 Space_Librarian d'oh 03:54 wizzyrea` that's just it, I can only think of the music! 03:53 wizzyrea` not the song, but the fact that I can't remember who or what it is 03:53 Space_Librarian google a line from the song. 03:53 wizzyrea` there's another song I'm looking for, but I can't remember either the name or the artist, but I can hear it in my head it's SO ANNOYING 03:53 wizzyrea` ^.^ 03:52 Space_Librarian wizzyrea ++ for awesome musical taste 03:22 Brooke pffft., cloth 03:13 Brooke I don't know if that's worse than vent that's going to make me wake up the neighbours with raucous belly laughter, though. 03:13 wizzyrea` uh oh 03:12 Brooke ugh here come da puggers. 03:04 Brooke right meant to be healing 03:03 Brooke I think it's illegal to boat and not be good looking. 03:03 wizzyrea` ginger + curly 03:02 wizzyrea` *nod* 03:02 Brooke doesn't she make you want to be ginger. 03:02 * wizzyrea` gets petty for a moment 03:02 Brooke I know 03:02 wizzyrea` she has wicked cool hair. srsly. 03:02 Brooke nora++ 03:02 wizzyrea` it's gotta be the hair 03:02 wizzyrea` :) 03:02 Brooke you have no idea of the extent of her magical powah 03:01 wizzyrea` nora is great, met her for the first time (in person) monday 03:01 Brooke make Nora post some. >:) 03:00 wizzyrea` now I want cranberries. 02:59 * Brooke spins the wheel to see if this aussie tank will dc every other second *again*. 02:57 * Brooke was quite probably brainwashed in Massachusetts. 02:57 wizzyrea` oo 02:57 Brooke cranberry ftw 02:56 Brooke :) 02:56 wizzyrea` mmmmmmm 02:51 Brooke Kombucha is the nectar of the gods. 02:46 Brooke kia ora! 02:38 eythian http://www.ted.com/talks/yochai_benkler_on_the_new_open_source_economics.html <-- "Yochai Benkler on the new open-source economics" 02:20 Space_Librarian Hey Jo. :) 02:18 jransom hey Shelley :) 02:16 Space_Librarian hey jransom 02:10 druthb hi, jransom! 02:10 jransom hiya all 02:09 wahanui somebody said jransom was so pleased! 02:09 rangi hey jransom 02:06 rangi hey druthb 02:06 * druthb waves to rangi 02:04 huginn druthb: Brooke was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 58 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: * Brooke is guessing shorter. 02:04 druthb @seen Brooke 01:58 wizzyrea` thanx :) 01:57 jcamins_away wizzyrea`: congratulations! 01:48 Space_Librarian Oooh. The aliaPD lists now got a KohaCon ping. Irma++ for a scholarship to attend. :) 01:40 rangi back 01:37 druthb that's a cute pic you sent. 01:37 druthb heh. 01:37 jcamins_away druthb++ # for making Myshkin famous! 01:28 jcamins_away [off] I imagined that the school was run by cockroaches. It helped me feel better _and_ guaranteed more honest answers. 01:27 * jcamins_away fills out the evaluation questionaire for his library school. 01:25 jcamins_away But New York in general. 01:25 jcamins_away Well, not Queens. 01:25 jcamins_away Yep. 01:24 wizzyrea` is it known for it's cockroaches? 01:24 jcamins_away Queens. 01:24 jcamins_away Yep. 01:24 wizzyrea` are you still in new york proper? 01:20 jcamins_away I'll say. 01:19 wizzyrea` ew 01:17 jcamins_away But, bad. 01:17 jcamins_away Well, maybe not worse. 01:17 jcamins_away You laugh, but they're worse than when we moved in. 01:16 wizzyrea` lol 01:15 jcamins_away This way I'll fit in. 01:15 jcamins_away Better... Judeo-Tajik curses. 01:13 * jcamins_away learns outrageously offensive Russian obscenities so he can scream them at the cockroaches. 01:12 wizzyrea` fabulous 01:12 druthb yep. 01:11 wizzyrea` thanx :D are you home? 01:11 wizzyrea` :D 01:11 * druthb hugs wizzyrea`. 01:10 druthb wizzyrea`! Woot! 01:08 coryj jcamins_away: Think of something good for dinner tomorrow too. Just make sure it is something I'll have the ingredients for on hand. ;) 01:07 coryj g'nite #koha. Time for bed 01:07 wizzyrea` love it when it works out like that 01:07 jcamins_away :D 01:07 jcamins_away Yes! 01:06 wizzyrea` as magical as you'd hoped? 01:06 wizzyrea` so the toast was alright, eh? 01:02 jcamins_away Though less likely to melt into nothingness now that he's eaten something. 01:02 * jcamins_away is defiantly ghost-like. 00:59 wizzyrea` hehe 00:59 coryj everybody talking is away. kinda like ghosts 00:59 jcamins_away Did you *really* think I was going to talk about anything else today? 00:59 wizzyrea_away lol 00:58 jcamins_away The French toast. 00:58 wizzyrea_away ? 00:58 jcamins_away Wow. 00:42 coryj l8er jcamins_away 00:41 jcamins_away tcohen: ooh, gnocchi's pretty tasty too. Maybe Friday. 00:41 tcohen bye and thanks for your time! 00:41 tcohen jcamins_away: gnochi here 00:41 jcamins_away :D 00:41 jcamins_away French toast time! 00:41 coryj french toast? 00:41 jcamins_away Okay, my wife isn't going to be home for a while, I'm just having dinner now. 00:41 coryj In our case the staff interface is mostly used by people who can work in multiple branches. 00:40 jcamins_away coryj: right. It won't work for anyone else, and they'll tell you it's broken. :\ 00:39 coryj jcamins_away: I don't see why not. I can remove the bounding IF right now and it works.... only useful for superlibrarians tho. 00:39 tcohen i think i'll send a big patch 00:39 tcohen we don't manage to know the workflow for that 00:39 tcohen as for the trnaslation, i'll talk to bernardo so we can commit that translated stuff 00:38 tcohen for the xslt, exactly, that's what i was looking to solve 00:38 jcamins_away tcohen: I don't know, actually. 00:37 jcamins_away So the XSLT could have something like: <xsl:if test="marc:subfield[@code='a'] eq 'editor'>Editor:</xsl:if> 00:37 tcohen one question: how do I start a es-ES data/mysql dir? 00:37 tcohen i'll post a proposed sql file for 'en' 00:36 tcohen alright 00:36 jcamins_away Right. 00:36 jcamins_away For the cataloger. 00:36 tcohen and adjust xslt's so everything is shown properly 00:36 jcamins_away Yes. 00:35 tcohen i think you mean we can just provide translated authorized values for each language 00:35 jcamins_away tcohen: I think I'm probably just confusing you. I'll try to explain what I was trying to say earlier. 00:34 tcohen jcamins_away: you mean it is not worth it? 00:33 jcamins_away coryj: I don't think that's possible. 00:33 coryj Should that pref go under Admin/Login Options or "Local Use" ? 00:33 jcamins_away The SQL files are translated. 00:33 jcamins_away tcohen: I'm not sure you need to provide a translated description. 00:33 tcohen in the cataloguing interface 00:32 tcohen i thought the same, as long as we provide a translated description 00:32 coryj I want to add an option to display a branch selector during staff client login.. even when IndependantBranches is enabled. 00:32 jcamins_away I think you can safely require all catalogers at a given institution to use the same language for relator terms. 00:31 tcohen yeap, I saw those 00:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5701 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Distinction between authors/additional authors in staff normal view (MARC21/XSLT) 00:31 jcamins_away And bug 5701. 00:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5711 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Distinction between authors/additional authors in opac normal view (MARC21/XSLT) 00:31 jcamins_away Bug 5711. 00:30 jcamins_away Right. 00:30 tcohen catalogue display of relator terms? 00:30 jcamins_away The problem as I see it is catalogue display, not cataloging. 00:29 jcamins_away tcohen: I'm not sure that's necessary. 00:26 tcohen maybe we could translate complete frameworks on the fly 00:26 tcohen on-the-fly translation for frameworks+memcached ? 00:21 coryj What's the status of ldap authentication these days? I haven't looked at it for a couple years. 00:14 rangi but now i have meetings 00:14 rangi we have resisted any on the fly because its slow 00:14 rangi no 00:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6299 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Provide a list of authorized values for relator terms 00:09 tcohen i'm thinking on something like that for bug 6299 00:06 tcohen is there a way to translate "on-the-fly" strings that come from database? 00:06 tcohen hi rangi 00:00 jcamins_away Good! 00:00 coryj rebuild_zebra.pl 00:00 coryj arg... bad copy/paste 00:00 jcamins_away It will make you tear your hair out. 00:00 jcamins_away Really. 00:00 jcamins_away coryj: don't use nozebra.