Time  Nick                Message
23:54 huginn              bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 17.7�C (4:56 PM PDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady).
23:54 bg                  @wunder 93109
23:45 huginn              rangi: Quote #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.... eventually, ye shall stop asking." (added by gmcharlt at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
23:45 rangi               @quote random
23:27 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5199] Renewals do not add branchcode to statistics table <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5199>
22:45 adnc_               it comes as mail after a cronjob
22:44 adnc_               can someone help me interprete this?
22:44 adnc_               No branches with active overduerules at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl line 296.
22:27 huginn              moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 16.3�C (5:30 PM CDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).
22:27 moodaepo            @weather 56001
22:20 rangi               :)
22:18 chris_n             off to second shift
22:05 * chris_n           always follows his gut when it comes to food ;-)
21:54 wizzyrea            :)
21:54 rangi               ill put it right by that
21:54 rangi               is
21:54 rangi               OpacRenewalAllowed
21:54 rangi               because thats where
21:54 rangi               actually ive changed to opac
21:51 rangi               will do, someone can counter patch me if they want :)
21:50 wizzyrea            follow your gut, go with circ lol
21:50 rangi               heh
21:50 wizzyrea            i'm not helping. just call me the waffler
21:50 wizzyrea            both make sense tho
21:50 wizzyrea            i'd go with opac
21:50 * wizzyrea          is contrary
21:49 rangi               im leaning towards circ
21:49 rangi               hmm should i put the OpacRenewalsBranch in the circulation or opac tab for preferences?
21:30 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6313] Adding option to "attach another item" when finished attaching items <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6313>
20:58 * magnuse           wishes #koha a pleasant time of the day
20:48 Brooke              Kua haere au.
20:46 rangi               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt3fcZHlFRI
20:46 rangi               a bit of friday happiness
20:42 rangi               #koha: did we have a bug number for that renewals branch?
20:42 hdl                 Hi rangi
20:41 rangi               hi hdl
20:41 hdl                 Hi Brooke
20:40 Brooke              bonjour hdl.
20:35 Brooke              welcome back
20:35 rangi               back
20:27 joetho              Happy Sinkful Of Mayo
20:26 wahanui             wizzyrea: I forgot page
20:26 wizzyrea            wahanui: forget the page
20:25 rangi               brb after coffee
20:25 wahanui             the page is up, but no one stepped up
20:25 cait                the page
20:25 rangi               ok my stop
20:25 cait                ah I have to check that
20:24 gmcharlt            chris_n++
20:24 gmcharlt            rangi++
20:24 gmcharlt            :)
20:24 rangi               I've only got one wrong so far :)
20:24 rangi               and let him know the ones I think should be in 3.4.1
20:23 rangi               I push to master
20:23 rangi               is working pretty well
20:23 rangi               thats how we are tracking
20:23 rangi               have u seen the cherry pick page on the wiki
20:22 Brooke              gmcharlt: his birthday is hardly my wedding :P
20:22 rangi               well chris_n will be doing most of it
20:22 Brooke              38 years
20:22 Brooke              is
20:22 Brooke              so it
20:22 gmcharlt            rangi: so you give other people presents on your birthday? :)
20:22 Brooke              that so?
20:22 rangi               course may 21 is my birthday
20:22 Brooke              ye gods, gmcharlt must have secured Elven assistance to make this happen.
20:21 rangi               chris_n can correct me
20:21 rangi               and may 15 for 3.2.8
20:21 gmcharlt            thanks
20:21 rangi               yep
20:20 gmcharlt            rangi: am I remembering correctly that it's May 22nd for 3.4.1?
20:20 wizzyrea            :)
20:20 wizzyrea            we all do
20:20 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6308] Show number of comments on the "Comments" tab in OPAC <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6308>
20:20 rangi               u needed a kristina
20:20 wizzyrea            possibly
20:20 rangi               had one link I think?
20:20 wizzyrea            we were all too busy gabbing!
20:20 wizzyrea            I didn't see many people taking pictures
20:20 rangi               on the kudos site
20:20 wizzyrea            sadly, i don't think there was an official one
20:19 rangi               coveritlive
20:19 Brooke              anyone have a flickr stream from KUDOS?
20:18 Brooke              mebbe so, mebbe no, young man.
20:18 * Brooke            shifts on her feet.
20:17 sekjal              Brooke:  you still get up this way much?
20:15 Brooke              there are scant few places I've not dined in that neighbourhood, and I've the stomach to prove it.
20:13 sekjal              will check out Bridgeside
20:13 sekjal              we've been to Blue Heron... very nice
20:13 Brooke              The Blue Heron is nice for an upscale option, too.
20:13 Brooke              http://bridgesidegrille.com/lunch.cfm
20:10 Brooke              their shakes are divine, as well.
20:10 Brooke              there used to be a lovely little cafe that served a wicked little pulled pork sandwich across the street from the bank
20:10 Brooke              if you go over the little Blue Bridge into Sunderland
20:09 Brooke              now, this is of extreme import
20:09 Brooke              good on you
20:09 Brooke              bwwewhwerahwehraher
20:09 sekjal              Brooke:  South Deerfield, MA.  Just down the street from MassCat (a Koha library system we support)
20:07 Brooke              where's the new lodge? *pry pry*
20:07 sekjal              (the house, not watching TV... in case I was unclear)
20:07 sekjal              cait:  thanks!  lots of work, but worth it
20:06 cait                grats on the new house :)
20:06 cait                sekjal: ... but you could if you wanted to? :)
20:05 huginn              wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:05 wizzyrea            @later tell jwagner are your kudos slides available online anywherE?
20:05 Brooke              :)
20:05 rangi               cool sekjal
20:05 sekjal              not that I particularly want to watch TV, but...
20:05 druthb              kia ora, Brooke.  :)
20:05 sekjal              alright, internet is all set up for the new house!  and, apparently, if I plug in a TV, there's free basic cable what comes with internet service
20:05 cait                hi Brooke
20:05 rangi               heh
20:05 wizzyrea            err reading fail
20:04 Brooke              kia ora
20:04 wizzyrea            jwagner: about?
20:03 rangi               back
19:42 cait                oleonard: probably you are right
19:40 cait                oleonard: I will ask our statistics expert tomorrow :)
19:38 oleonard            You're too late to slip him some cash for free HBO
19:37 sekjal              okay, cable guy is folding up the ladder.. should be stable for a while...
19:36 sekjal              thanks, wizzyrea.  cable guy is playing with the wires on the pole outside.. hopefully I'm stable for a while longer
19:35 wizzyrea            wb sekjal
19:33 * rangi             will bbiab
19:33 rangi               and its easy to just add another value to it
19:33 rangi               im leaning towards the syspref, cos then it can please everyone
19:33 cait                what they require
19:33 cait                I am checking dbs and bix right now - the german library statistics
19:32 wizzyrea            there was
19:32 rangi               if someone wanted to update the bug, ill do it when i get to work
19:32 oleonard            There was a Harley feature, I think, that showed counts for staff/OPAC renewals on the patron detail page
19:32 rangi               atarau even
19:32 rangi               i have to go feed atarua
19:32 rangi               could be just another option for the syspref
19:31 rangi               cait: sure, how about OPAC
19:31 cait                ok... I will say it... could we add something ot make it show as opac renwal?
19:30 cait                no problem :)
19:30 oleonard            Like I said, I'll take pretty much anything over nothing if it comes to that (sorry cait)
19:29 cait                crazy :P
19:29 rangi               and try to solve all you fellas at once
19:28 cait                hm
19:28 rangi               'null','itemhomebranch','branchissuedfrom','patronhomebranch'
19:28 rangi               opacrenewalbranch
19:28 cait                it's an opac rnewal
19:28 rangi               but if i must, i could do a syspref
19:28 cait                I think opac renwal has no place it belongs to really
19:27 cait                rangi:  i want to leave it empty - but I might be alone on that ;)
19:27 rangi               hehe
19:27 rangi               ill never do a patch
19:27 rangi               see if you guys make it hard
19:27 cait                hm ok
19:27 oleonard            Maybe so, but we don't count other circs that way
19:27 cait                they bought the item and made it available for others - why not count the renewal for them?
19:26 oleonard            The item's home branch seems least relevant to me since it could have been checked out from any branch
19:26 cait                and meant oleonard
19:26 cait                if we have to put a brnach in there. I would like to have an option to find out about opac vs staff renewals
19:25 cait                what about the library that owns the item?
19:25 cait                owen: seeing the mails
19:21 oleonard            Yes
19:21 rhcl                this is on "koha", right? I just started popping all my email to gmail and it's goofy I think
19:20 rangi               and the renewals statistics one
19:20 oleonard            "CCL query query"
19:19 rhcl                I must be not getting some emails--do you have a specific email subject or DTG for that?
19:17 oleonard            Encouraged by KudosCon I wonder?
19:17 oleonard            Big PTFS day on the mailing list today
18:46 library_systems_guy thats what i referred to
18:46 library_systems_guy http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
18:46 library_systems_guy i think it is...but i think its closer to the install stuff
18:44 wizzyrea            aka how not to muck up your repo
18:44 wizzyrea            cuzn if it's not, it should be
18:44 wizzyrea            the steps I mean?
18:43 wizzyrea            is it on the wiki "how to update your git install"
18:37 nengard             good stuff
18:37 library_systems_guy nengard, thanks for the rebase bit, that fixed it
18:31 huginn              joetho: The current temperature in McMurdo, Antarctica is -31.0�C (6:00 AM NZST on May 06, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -38.0�C. Pressure: 29.31 in 992 hPa (Falling).
18:31 joetho              @wunder mcmurdo station
18:31 druthb              (I was running around in knee-length skirts, and bg_ was bundled up like an Inuit.  I was greatly amused.)
18:30 bg_                 it was like 5~7 when we where there
18:30 druthb              not *that* much colder in Madison, bg_.  All that drama over a few degrees..
18:30 huginn              nengard: The current temperature in Maple Point, Langhorne, Pennsylvania is 16.9�C (2:30 PM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling).
18:30 nengard             @wunder 19030
18:30 huginn              cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.9�C (8:30 PM CEST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Steady).
18:30 cait                @wunder Konstanz
18:29 huginn              druthb: The current temperature in Middleton, Wisconsin is 13.0�C (1:15 PM CDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
18:29 druthb              @wunder madison, wi
18:29 huginn              druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 18.1�C (2:32 PM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady).
18:29 druthb              @wunder 20852
18:29 bg_                 ah nice to be back home
18:29 huginn              oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 17.2�C (2:30 PM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady).
18:29 oleonard            @wunder 45701
18:29 joetho              <--recovering kohite
18:29 huginn              bg_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.0�C (11:31 AM PDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Steady).
18:29 bg_                 @wunder 93109
18:29 bg_                 @wunder 93109
18:28 joetho              MOKANOK
18:28 library_systems_guy oh oleonard...you got me
18:28 oleonard            Be fair, library_systems_guy_who_forgot_that_one_time_but_who_will_remember_now
18:28 rhcl                wizzyrea: we need a quarterly MOKAN region KUDOS meeting/social event
18:27 druthb              lol
18:27 library_systems_guy maybe i should change my name to forgetful_library_systems_guy
18:26 library_systems_guy true...bah
18:25 nengard             also remember the rebase part
18:24 library_systems_guy but i just did a git pull and got a bunch more stuff
18:24 library_systems_guy i did a git fetch and pulled patches
18:24 library_systems_guy oh wait
18:24 oleonard            How is it failing?
18:23 druthb              o/
18:23 library_systems_guy i just did
18:23 oleonard            library_systems_guy: Have you updated since the patch was pushed? The shelf browser appeared to be working fine for me today
18:22 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6263 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, shelf browser doesn't work in 3.4
18:22 library_systems_guy bug 6263
18:21 library_systems_guy let me check with margo
18:21 library_systems_guy blargh...no cleaned out my inbox
18:21 nengard             any chance you remember the bug number?
18:21 nengard             is it a diff problem or the same? I forget if that patch was pushed
18:20 library_systems_guy and Margo just informed me that it still wasn't working
18:20 library_systems_guy today was my first chance to do an upgrade since then
18:20 library_systems_guy remember that ticket you submitted about the shelf browser not working in 3.4
18:19 library_systems_guy anyway
18:19 library_systems_guy i won't...in a year
18:19 nengard             what's up?
18:19 nengard             I so don't miss having finals
18:19 nengard             hiya!
18:19 library_systems_guy lol nengard :)
18:18 nengard             let me go look for her
18:18 nengard             she might be
18:18 library_systems_guy is nengard around anywhere?
18:18 wizzyrea            *nod*
18:16 library_systems_guy lots of studying
18:16 library_systems_guy finals next week
18:16 library_systems_guy indeed
18:16 wizzyrea            ^.^ busy week :)
18:16 library_systems_guy long time no see
18:16 wizzyrea            whahanui: shh
18:16 wahanui             rumour has it wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet
18:16 library_systems_guy hey wizzyrea
18:16 wizzyrea            hey LSG
18:16 wizzyrea            libanywhere is a service, though
18:15 wizzyrea            libanywhere also works with blackberry
18:15 wizzyrea            kiritaki koha
18:15 wizzyrea            oh, wait, yes I did
18:15 wizzyrea            http://www.appbrain.com/app/kiritaki-koha-(beta)/nz.net.catalyst.KiritakiKoha
18:15 wizzyrea            oh, no I didn't!
18:15 rhcl                well. Thanks for the info.
18:14 wizzyrea            I am sure I didn't spell that right let me go find the right spelling
18:14 wizzyrea            libraryanywhere for iphone/android
18:14 wizzyrea            kiritiaki koha for android
18:14 rhcl                I'm all ears
18:14 wizzyrea            a few actually
18:14 wizzyrea            yep
18:14 rhcl                wizzyrea: one of my librarians asked me if there was a koha-specific smart app that apparently some library ILSs have. Something that is designed to connect to an OPAC but specifically designed for a hand-held device. Know of anything like this?
18:13 wizzyrea            probably close to zero :P
18:12 oleonard            Hmm.... What are the chances that it does?
18:11 wizzyrea            or even tell you what they are, so that you can replicate on the new system?
18:11 wizzyrea            when you export, does it bring with it any associated authvalues definitions?
18:10 wizzyrea            ah question re: framework export
18:07 * coryj             shakes his fist at NickServ.  "Darn bots!"
17:59 mib_2swanq          *oleonard
17:59 mib_2swanq          thanks for all the help oleanard
17:56 mib_2swanq          i'll look to it tomorrow... now it's time to go home and watch Braga-Benfica (yes i'm portuguese :))
17:55 oleonard            mib_2swanq, you will be cheered by all if you can fix it.
17:54 mib_2swanq          i have to fix the bug by some way.... there is only thing that's is not correctly working in my system
17:53 cait                hi all
17:53 mib_2swanq          :/ if the renewscript.pl and return.pl shoudn't be that different
17:50 oleonard            You have to use returns.pl
17:50 oleonard            You can't, not unless you fix that bug.
17:50 mib_2swanq          this is a problem, because the library is using the patron detail page for check in and i need to trigger the holds
17:48 oleonard            (and I say that as the patch author)
17:48 oleonard            A very minor patch which doesn't do that much to fix the problem
17:47 mib_2swanq          hummm ok... but I can see that there is a patch...
17:46 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3514 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , Returning items through patron Details tab doesn't activate all circulation functions
17:46 oleonard            Bug 3514
17:45 oleonard            Checking in items from the list of checkouts on the circulation or patron detail screen
17:45 mib_2swanq          2 option?
17:45 mib_2swanq          which function?
17:45 oleonard            I recommend not using it.
17:44 oleonard            mib_2swanq: That's not surprising, that function is buggy
17:44 mib_2swanq          in the tab check out of patrons when check in the items the email isn't sent
17:43 mib_2swanq          i think that i'm closing to the problem.... when using the returns.pl in the circulation menu i think that the email is sent
17:40 mib_2swanq          yes... check in and checked out notices are being sent
17:39 oleonard            mib_2swanq: If you go to /cgi-bin/koha/members/notices.pl?borrowernumber=XX can you see notices queued for the patron?
17:37 mib_2swanq          but i'm having a problem that after a item is check in the patron in first place on queue is not receiving the email saying that the hold is filled
17:34 mib_2swanq          :)
17:34 mib_2swanq          ok thanks...
17:34 oleonard            I think so
17:33 mib_2swanq          ?
17:33 mib_2swanq          it's all i need
17:33 mib_2swanq          yes... I have the cronjob and the system preference set to 2
17:33 oleonard            And I believe there is a cron job that needs to run in order to automatically cancel holds
17:32 oleonard            That should be set to 2
17:32 oleonard            See ReservesMaxPickUpDelay instead
17:32 oleonard            mib_2swanq: The ReservesNeedReturns is unrelated to your requirement I think
17:31 mib_2swanq          what i need to have: if a item is checked out the others patrons can reserve it, after checked in the patron in first on the queue have 2 days to get the book
17:29 oleonard            mib_2swanq: Are you referring to the holds awaiting pickup report?
17:29 mib_2swanq          after check in...
17:28 mib_2swanq          so it's better to turn it on if i want to put one reserve on problematic after 2 days
17:21 oleonard            mib_2swanq: If turned on, it means that items will not be marked as "waiting" until you check them in
17:10 mib_2swanq          what does this system preference ReservesNeedReturns ?
16:43 coryj               I'm just going to ignore that for now and assume nobody will be doing a title search for "amp"
16:42 coryj               gmcharlt: zebra_rebuild.pl -x still appears to include "&amp;" in the indexes if there is an & in the title.
16:33 mib_2swanq          thanks slef anyway :)
16:33 joetho              voting, by God    (?)
16:32 slef                nengard++ for the username patch
16:32 slef                anyway, I've got to go vote. Let's see if nengard or wizzyrea understand this <vbg>
16:31 mib_2swanq          I my problem is solved looool
16:31 mib_2swanq          now i'm trying 9 (managed in tab), 1 default value, hidden -5...
16:29 slef                so what are you putting for Managed in tab, Default value and Hidden?
16:29 slef                I'm not a librarian and definitely not a cataloguer and dislike being reminded of my inadequacy ;-)
16:28 slef                like grumble but quicker
16:28 mib_2swanq          grml?
16:28 slef                grml
16:27 slef                ah yeah, the problem is defaulting to 1
16:27 mib_2swanq          bu i can try again
16:26 mib_2swanq          i've tried all types of hidden (-9...9) but by some reason after creation the subfield appears in the record edition
16:25 * slef              looks it up
16:25 slef                mib_2swanq: I'm doing this without looking, but don't you want hidden rather than ignored?
16:25 wahanui             wizzyrea: I forgot no one
16:25 wizzyrea            wahanui: forget no one
16:25 nengard             slef, patch written to solve your issue :)
16:24 slef                I'm a bit busy today.
16:24 slef                sorry
16:24 wahanui             it has been said that no one is denying that biblibre is doing good work here - it just seems odd to me that one of the biggest companies should introduce new "things" that break old "things" that a lot of people still want...
16:24 mib_2swanq          no one?
16:21 mib_2swanq          my doubt is how to omit the 942$n subfield from default model and it be filled by omission with value 1?
16:20 mib_2swanq          but with that change the records are created with no 942$n subfield filled
16:20 mib_2swanq          now I wanted to omit the subfield in the default model, so I've changed the value of the managed tab to ignored
16:18 mib_2swanq          the omission value is 1 (after creation the records doesn't appear in OPAC)
16:17 mib_2swanq          the Zebra indexation works fine
16:17 mib_2swanq          the records with 0 appears in the OPAC, with 1 don't appear
16:16 mib_2swanq          i've created one subfield 942$n - Suppress to suppress some records from OPAC
16:15 mib_2swanq          it can be big depending on your answer :P
16:14 nengard             got me two +1 so I'll write up that patch now
16:14 Oak                 we only entertain big questions here
16:14 mib_2swanq          I have one little question about koha and marc frameworks.
16:13 mib_2swanq          hi koha community :)
16:11 adnc_               hi koha
16:08 Oak                 good stuff!
16:08 Oak                 have not heard many people say 'good stuff' :)
16:06 nengard             good stuff
16:06 gmcharlt            nengard: agree that a more generic name for the username field makes sense
16:01 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6312 enhancement, P5, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , login/password shouldn't be labeled as 'opac'
16:01 nengard             looking for feedback on bug 6312 before i make code changes
15:59 slef                nengard: thanks!
15:59 nengard             slef, i'm going to report a enh request for that, to see if anyone has any objections - it's something I can easily fix if everyone wants it fixed
15:54 slef                [off] not that it's a bug I'm going to deal with today. Some of you now know why I've been quiet, why I'm drowning in crap and why I've been dealing with username/password edits enough to notice that.
15:53 nengard             I'm a-ok with changing it to just 'username'
15:53 nengard             it's very confusing to librarians
15:53 nengard             no clue
15:53 slef                random question: why is it OPAC username on the Edit Patron screen when it works on the librarian interface?
15:53 nengard             would love to see that one fixed
15:52 oleonard            It's been a bug in Koha forever
15:52 jwagner             OK, thanks.  I hadn't seen that one fly by....
15:52 oleonard            Yes
15:51 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5199 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Renewals do not add branchcode to statistics table
15:51 jwagner             oleonard, the bug report you referred to on the listserv is Bug 5199, correct?
15:51 coryj               Another 1/2 pot of coffee and I'll be coherent.
15:47 Oak                 !
15:46 oleonard            ?
15:46 Oak                 __8__   <-- Titanic
15:46 slef                rhcl: http://www.n-somerset.gov.uk/voting is our local. Yay lack of standardisation ;-)
15:45 wizzyrea            /o\
15:45 Oak                 who will do the titanic?
15:45 Oak                 \o>
15:45 wizzyrea            <o/
15:44 Oak                 \o/
15:44 wizzyrea            o/
15:44 Oak                 \o
15:34 rhcl                perhaps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011
15:33 rhcl_away           What's the breakout or amplifying data for "AV referendum"?
15:31 * oleonard          imagines it will be a cold day in hell before the US passes anything like that
15:31 slef                oleonard: I think they don't start counting for about 24h from now.
15:29 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6081 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Do not show "not for loan" description if false
15:29 oleonard            Does anyone know under what circumstances Bug 6081 can be seen in action?
15:27 oleonard            slef: When will you know the results of the AV referendum?
15:25 slef                SRS are not a good registrar :)
15:25 wizzyrea            jedi table, we should find out if it's gonna lock us into a specific version of jquery
15:24 wizzyrea            sorry, I didn't mean to derail that conversation, back to srs business
15:23 wizzyrea            hehehe
15:22 gmcharlt            coffee too cold?  bit of Force lightning to the rescue
15:22 wizzyrea            mmm tasty you are!
15:21 * wizzyrea          imagines Yoda eating a sandwich and reading the paper, giggles
15:21 oleonard            Yeah, we never got to see the Jedi cafeteria
15:20 wizzyrea            they are also not eating there ^.^
15:20 wizzyrea            rofl
15:20 oleonard            Don't be silly, you can plainly see the Jedi don't use a table: http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/gambia/106/councilxxx.jpg
15:20 wizzyrea            jedi table is suspended by the force alone
15:19 gmcharlt            do the table legs double as light sabers?
15:18 wizzyrea            :D
15:18 paul_p              Jedi Table ? DarkVador chair ? :D
15:18 gmcharlt            but (from my POV), without having actually looked at it yet, dunno if it's being maintained enough to not break when we want to adopt jQuery 1.5+
15:17 wizzyrea            ok, is it J editable or Jedi Table? Because if it's Jedi Table, then by default it should go in on pure awesome alone. (I kid)
15:17 gmcharlt            oleonard: yeah, I'm not dismissing jeditable out of hand, and it has a good rating
15:17 oleonard            In Jeditable's favor, the author still responds to comments on his site. there was a commit in January, although a minor one.
15:16 kf                  gmcharlt: you should add that to the bug I think
15:12 gmcharlt            either way, we'd want to make sure that we're not locking ourselves into an old version of jQuery by using it
15:12 gmcharlt            or that it's not particularly active
15:12 gmcharlt            so that either means that it's generic enough that it's "done"
15:12 gmcharlt            jeditable has not been receiving much in the way of updates for the past couple years
15:11 gmcharlt            also, would need a look
15:07 wizzyrea            packaging should be getting easier, not harder.
15:07 gmcharlt            i.e., the discussion (or argument) is about what needs to happen to make that dependency packageable
15:07 wizzyrea            man, i don't wanna go there. we should not go backwards
15:07 gmcharlt            IOW, it really needs to be based on a packaged version of jeditable, or at least a version we can stick in the Koha tree and release that way, not on a link to a git repository
15:06 gmcharlt            oleonard: well, upshot of the discussion on that bug is that *requiring* use of a git submodule would make Koha difficult to package again
15:04 * magnus_away       is really away now
15:04 magnus_away         ?
15:02 magnus_away         "Submodules allow foreign repositories to be embedded within a dedicated subdirectory of the source tree, always pointed at a particular commit."
15:02 magnus_away         oleonard: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-submodule.html
15:01 oleonard            What's all this about submodules?
15:01 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5872 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, christophe.croullebois, ASSIGNED , Enhancements to circulation management
15:01 * oleonard          does not understand the discussion on Bug 5872
14:47 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6311] end_patron_session always reports a non-existent error <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6311>
14:18 nengard             :)
14:18 nengard             aww shucks
14:16 kf                  lots of reasons for karma
14:16 kf                  nengard++
14:16 nengard             :)
14:15 magnuse             nengard++ # for signing off
14:15 kf                  oleonard++
14:08 magnuse             nevertheless...
14:07 oleonard            Low-hanging fruit :)
14:07 magnuse             oleonard++ # 21 minutes from mention of missing tablesorter to patch ;-)
13:59 jwagner             Yes, that would be the framework setup, then.  I was just suggesting other areas to simplify.
13:59 nengard             oleonard++
13:59 f3ew                jwagner, more of a need "ISBN, Book title, Author, quantity, date of purchase, price" and nothing else
13:58 magnuse             f3ew: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/optional/marc21_fastadd_framework.sql;hb=HEAD
13:58 jwagner             f3ew, you can also remove some of the clutter from staff logins by using granular permissions and not assigning permissions for modules your staff don't need.  For example, if you aren't using acquisitions or serials, no need to have those modules visible.
13:57 * f3ew              googles
13:55 gmcharlt            f3ew: in particular, the fast-add framework is a good starting point for a simple one to use
13:53 wizzyrea            with only the fields you need
13:53 wizzyrea            yep, you can use a very simple framework
13:52 f3ew                and a very part time librarian
13:52 hdl                 hi magnuse
13:52 f3ew                The use case in this case is a corporate in-house library, without the need for MARC or book sizes
13:51 f3ew                Is there a way to dumb down the Koha interface a lot?
13:51 magnuse             bonjour hdl
13:51 magnuse             sorry kf, i have no idea what a feedback report is... but it sure sounds useful! ;-)
13:49 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5876] New permission for overdues report <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5876>
13:44 * chris_n           agrees with that!
13:44 kf                  hehe
13:42 * magnuse           thinks monday has a wardrobe full of scary outfits...
13:41 * oleonard          assumes it wears some kind of scary hat
13:39 * oleonard          wonder's what Monday's outfit looks like
13:39 kf                  must be a monday in costume of a thursday
13:38 kf                  and I have no idea what it means
13:38 kf                  I have a red entry called feedback report
13:38 * kf                stares on her todo list
13:38 huginn              New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6309] subscription table sorter in the opac <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6309>
13:38 * kf                sends gmcharlt some espresso
13:36 gmcharlt            oy
13:36 gmcharlt            you had said that, of course
13:36 * gmcharlt          needs more coffee
13:36 gmcharlt            ;)
13:36 gmcharlt            oleonard: drink, Owen, drink - how else do you think standards like MARC21 get developed?
13:35 oleonard            Known as MARC21 in the US so that everyone knows it's old enough to drink.
13:35 * magnuse           can't wait to get rid of *all* of them ;-)
13:35 magnuse             thanks gmcharlt, thats just about what i thought
13:35 gmcharlt            or more precisely, usmarc merged with CANMARC and UKMARC to become MARC21
13:34 gmcharlt            magnuse: usmarc *is* marc21
13:34 magnuse             i will definitely have a go at that and add anything i figure out along the way to the page
13:30 nengard             :)
13:30 magnuse             yay!
13:30 magnuse             ah yes, but usmarc is probably similar to marc21 (which is similar to normarc)?
13:30 nengard             will beef it up as I have time ;)
13:29 nengard             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Importing_MARC_from_LibraryThing_to_Koha
13:29 nengard             magnuse LT only exports in USMARC right now - fyi
13:29 magnuse             and i'm toying with the idea of offering free koha installations for personal use to nordic library people...
13:28 * magnuse           too
13:28 * kf                has her books in libarything too
13:28 kf                  nengard++
13:27 nengard             of course this only works for a not real library - otherwise you have to go in and add real barcodes to all of the items
13:26 magnuse             nengard++
13:26 nengard             it was a bit frustrating, so I'd love to help you all :) hehe
13:26 nengard             I'll gladly share
13:26 nengard             and then you can do swap field data to pull the call number and barcode
13:26 magnuse             having that on the wiki would be super cool!
13:25 nengard             you do add field and add a 952 with you $a, $b, $2, $y
13:25 nengard             it's easy peasy
13:25 kf                  wit marcedit?
13:25 kf                  is there a trick to add a lot of items at once?
13:25 nengard             kf sure can
13:25 nengard             magnus the first one ... fuzzy i think
13:25 kf                  I would love to try that sometim
13:25 kf                  can you put that on the wiki somewhere?
13:25 nengard             I used the 001 as my barcode (since it's a fake system) and the 050ab as my call number
13:25 magnuse             nengard: what format did you export from LT?
13:25 kf                  cool!
13:24 nengard             The reason I did it that way was cause the LT file wouldn't open in marcedit cause of errors in the file that koha just ignored :)
13:24 nengard             8. import marc file with items to koha
13:24 nengard             7. rebuild zebra
13:24 nengard             6. clean original koha import
13:24 nengard             5. add items
13:24 nengard             4. open in marcedit
13:24 nengard             3. export from koha
13:24 nengard             2. import to koha
13:23 nengard             1. export from LT
13:23 nengard             I had a few steps:
13:23 nengard             no
13:23 oleonard            Does it export items too?
13:23 nengard             now my test system has my real library
13:23 nengard             yesterday i exported my librarything collection and imported it to koha!! :)
13:21 kf                  magnuse has been busy too
13:21 kf                  today is enh day :)
13:21 nengard             it was my imagination :) gonna put an enhancement in there ;)
13:20 nengard             k
13:20 oleonard            Not even an ID on the table.
13:20 oleonard            Not unless someone deliberately took it out
13:20 nengard             which is what i have as the default
13:20 nengard             or i should say : cgi-bin/koha/opac-serial-issues.pl?selectview=full&biblionumber=4038
13:20 nengard             url:  /cgi-bin/koha/opac-serial-issues.pl?biblionumber=4038
13:19 nengard             the full detail page
13:19 nengard             yes
13:18 oleonard            The table of issues?
13:18 nengard             is it my imagination or did the subscription page in the OPAC used to have a JS table sorter on it?
13:15 kf                  perhaps
13:14 oleonard            Bad memories.
13:14 kf                  we talked about deprecating them (which would also solve the bug ;) )
13:14 kf                  and he dislikes the guided reports...
13:13 kf                  oleonard: yep, I asked him, but he probably found no time for it yet
12:57 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6306 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , It is not possible edit news
12:57 * oleonard          is starting to think the same thing about Bug 6306
12:54 oleonard            It's probably a fix rangi will spot immediately if he takes a look
12:54 kf                  I see no reason for it not working :(
12:54 kf                  until I gave up
12:54 kf                  2 hours...
12:54 kf                  yes, I tried to fix it too
12:53 kf                  oleonard: it's probably the known bug - I answered it
12:53 oleonard            kf: I spent a while trying to fix that bug (without success) so I remembered it!
12:53 kf                  for fixing that duplicate bug so fast :)
12:52 oleonard            I see a question about 'browse shelf' on the mailing list, and it raises a question: If you have all three "ShelfBrowserUses*" prefs on, does it limit to a unique combination of all three?
12:47 oleonard            PTFS--
12:47 * oleonard          sees that once again koha.org lists a months-out-of-date Koha download
12:46 oleonard            Many people have expressed their desire for one but so far no one has done it
12:45 tcohen              are there any works on having a mobile-oriented UI?
12:43 tcohen              hi oleonard
12:35 oleonard            Thanks kf, what was that for?
12:30 kf                  oleonard++
12:13 magnuse             yay
12:13 slef                I was just thinking maybe koha should use http://en.gravatar.com/site/implement/images/ if it doesn't already, but hesitating because of the terms of use.  Good to see that's in there, even using a freer service as first preference.
12:10 huginn              04Bug 6298: enhancement, P5, ---, fmarier, ASSIGNED , Profile pictures in the OPAC next to review authors
12:10 magnuse             slef: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6298
12:10 * oleonard          puts on his 3D glasses
12:09 slef                awesome avatars?
12:07 huginn              gmcharlt: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 05:19 PM, February 24, 2010)
12:07 gmcharlt            @quote random
12:05 magnuse             fmarier++ # for those awesome avatars (too bad comments are probably not used a lot in most OPACs...)
12:00 jwagner             Hi conan
11:52 conan               hi everysoul
11:05 druthb              hi, AmitG! :)
10:58 AmitG               heya druthb
10:47 * druthb            waves to Irma
10:42 huginn              kf_mtg: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (12:20 PM CEST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
10:42 kf_mtg              @wunder boo
10:37 huginn              druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 6.6�C (6:39 AM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Rising).
10:37 druthb              @wunder 20852
10:35 * magnuse           puts on an extra shirt and wanders off in search of lunch
10:35 huginn              magnuse: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 37.0�C (3:30 PM IST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
10:35 magnuse             @wunder new delhi
10:34 huginn              magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (12:20 PM CEST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
10:34 magnuse             @wunder boo
10:34 magnuse             \o
10:29 druthb              o/
10:25 wahanui             i already had it that way, huginn.
10:25 huginn              AmitG: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
10:25 AmitG               @wounder New Delhi
10:25 wahanui             i already had it that way, huginn.
10:25 huginn              AmitG: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
10:25 AmitG               @later
09:09 huginn              slef: The operation succeeded.
09:09 slef                @later tell SpaceLibrarian England is part of Europe (the UK too, but I don't really agree with us being part of that ;-) )
08:05 eythian             later
08:04 eythian             well, it would mean that if I'd spelt it right, anyway 'welterusten'
08:04 magnuse             ah, have a good night, then!
08:04 eythian             yeah, means 'good night'. Because I'm off :)
08:03 magnuse             dutch?
08:03 magnuse             um, hi eythian
08:03 eythian             Weltrusten, #koha :)
07:59 magnuse             yeah, it's sort of ambiguous - "dag" sort of comes after "morgen", but at the same time it can mean a whole day, not just the middle of it (i think)
07:58 kmkale              aahh. Thanks
07:57 kf                  I think god dag is later?
07:57 magnuse             kmkale: god morgen = good morning, god dag = "good day" (it can be used any time of the day)
07:57 kmkale              magnuse: kf said god morgen and you said god dag. Whats the difference?
07:56 magnuse             god dag kf and kmkale ;-)
07:54 kmkale              Namaste magnuse
07:54 kmkale              Namaste kf
07:53 kf                  namaskar kmkale and god morgen magnuse
07:34 magnuse             namaskar kmkale
07:32 kmkale              Namaskar #koha
07:32 magnuse             kia ora #koha
07:16 kf                  hi #koha
07:06 huginn              rangi: The operation succeeded.
07:06 rangi               @later tell kf yes i think the person has misunderstood it doesnt need a to address, the process message queue script does that
06:34 cait                hi alex_a
06:34 AmitG               heya cait
06:34 alex_a              hi #koha
06:34 cait                hi Broke and AmitG
06:32 AmitG               heya chris
06:32 AmitG               heya all
06:16 Brooke              bid!
06:06 * Space_Librarian   preapres to wander off and pack for a conference in soggy Waitomo...
05:58 cait                hm
05:57 cait                we started sending overdues for one of our libraries this week, 3.2.2. And the librarian told me happily that her coworker had received the notice just as planned
05:56 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6302 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Failing to send email notices - to_address not set
05:56 cait                bug 6302 is weird
05:51 * Space_Librarian   waves
05:51 cait                :)
05:51 cait                hi Space_Librarian
05:46 Space_Librarian     morning cait
05:46 cait                good morning #koha
05:42 Space_Librarian     sounds interesting.
05:41 Brooke              I'm considering writing a paper for First Monday on gender in Koha
05:33 * druthb            heads to bed.
05:16 wizzyrea`           ha HAH
05:14 druthb              yis.
05:14 Space_Librarian     We need t-shirts. srsly.
05:14 Space_Librarian     :D
05:13 druthb              Koha_chicks_taking_over_#koha++
05:12 Space_Librarian     adios
05:11 wizzyrea`           latah
05:11 Brooke              ciao even
05:11 Brooke              ciap
05:11 * rangi             wanders off
05:11 rangi               ok home time
05:11 wizzyrea`           skip to 9s in this vid http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/archives/2006/10/102606.html
05:10 Space_Librarian     so I'll let you fight it out for second. :p
05:10 Space_Librarian     I have already won...
05:08 wizzyrea`           more properly: NERD FIGHT!
05:08 Brooke              nerdoneupmanship is gs based.
05:06 wizzyrea`           gnite joann
05:06 eythian             bye joann
05:06 druthb              thanx, joann!  g'night.
05:06 Space_Librarian     bye Jo
05:06 Brooke              night night
05:06 joann               night all
05:06 wizzyrea`           nerd oneupmanship
05:06 joann               i'm off home to cook yummy dinner for neighbours whose husband/dad died last night
05:06 Space_Librarian     eythian ++
05:05 Space_Librarian     what have we done?
05:05 eythian             http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo <-- I'm just going to leave this here to prevent it spiraling down
05:05 wizzyrea`           oh lawd.
05:05 Brooke              GET OFF THE LAWN!
05:05 joann               a lot (actually) ... rather wrangle data than people anyday
05:05 Brooke              when dinosaurs and gal trader roamed the earth
05:05 Brooke              I was on the TAMU mud
05:05 Brooke              back in the day
05:05 Brooke              now you see here
05:04 rangi               youre all newbies, when i was young we had to bang rocks together to make electricity to play pong
05:04 joann               makes me miss IT work really ....
05:04 joann               druthb great presntation
05:04 * Space_Librarian   is slightly more old school than wow.
05:03 Space_Librarian     Suddenly, your KOhaCon abstract makes so much more sense...
05:03 wizzyrea`           I learned more about people being an officer in a raiding guild than I have at any other point (well, until I was involved in the koha community, that is)
05:03 Space_Librarian     lol.
05:03 Brooke              but RealID is kinda spoiling that, but I could still get round it with permission and such.
05:03 Brooke              and if I wasn't such a jackarse, my data would be anonymised.
05:03 wizzyrea`           i actually completely agree with that sentiment
05:03 Brooke              it is freggin fascinating for group dynamics.
05:02 Brooke              because it is obtusely good for adminughstrative skillz/
05:02 Brooke              as featured on wow.com babe.
05:02 Space_Librarian     why?
05:02 Space_Librarian     really?
05:01 * Brooke            needs click shiny cds more often.
05:01 Space_Librarian     you don't.
05:01 Brooke              Omnotron
05:01 Brooke              a yep
05:01 Space_Librarian     Brooke: raiding?
05:00 eythian             http://paste.koha-community.org/35 <-- that's what my migration scripts end up looking like.
04:58 * Brooke            blames it on raiding late at night instead of sleeping.
04:58 eythian             (and also I don't really need it)
04:57 rangi               eythian++
04:57 eythian             druthb: pretty much. I refuse to use that because it's not free software :)
04:57 wizzyrea`           that may be the most gruesome metaphor ever for koha
04:57 druthb              eythian:  Much as I flatly refuse to use MARCEdit except as a viewer, really.
04:57 wizzyrea`           koha = the freezer where you keep the preserved head of your library data?
04:56 Brooke              dahmer scripts?
04:55 eythian             Mostly, I refuse to touch spreadsheets except as viewers, and I try to get all incoming data as close to CSV as they can get it and then use a handful of scripts to chop everything up and import into Koha/produce MARC.
04:54 eythian             druthb: interesting differences there compared to how I do it, although nothing too fundamental.
04:53 Brooke              coz I'm lazay
04:53 Brooke              then I skivved off tonight
04:51 Brooke              People were shocked.
04:51 Brooke              I *lead* Dave at one point.
04:49 Brooke              I keep tellin' meself I'm not meant to trash talk in fencing
04:49 Space_Librarian     lol.
04:49 Brooke              nope, that's the fencing
04:49 Space_Librarian     ;)
04:49 Space_Librarian     with razor sharp wit...
04:49 Space_Librarian     it didn't kill you, so ergo, it made you stronger...
04:48 * Brooke            cries from PTSD
04:48 Brooke              I wasn't even paid!
04:48 wizzyrea`           haha
04:48 Brooke              not my fault they chained me to a desk and made me do spanish cataloguing against me will.
04:48 wizzyrea`           s/compelling/interesting
04:48 Space_Librarian     with whips driving you, yes.
04:48 * wizzyrea`         stares slantily at Brooke
04:48 Brooke              surely you must be compelled to do it
04:48 Space_Librarian     well...
04:47 Brooke              cataloguing is always compelling
04:47 joann               ian's
04:47 joann               i saw ina's git one
04:47 joann               i played with prezi once and i am nowhere near creative enough to use it (sadly)
04:47 wizzyrea`           and ian's git preso was pretty great
04:46 Space_Librarian     he made cataloguing compelling?! This I *need* to see...
04:46 Brooke              I know where you live, theoretically.
04:46 Brooke              can't hide til August
04:46 wizzyrea`           dunno, galen's was pretty awesome too -- who else do you know that can make cataloging compelling
04:46 * druthb            hides.
04:46 eythian             cool ta
04:45 Brooke              yeah clearly Ruth's preso was the best.
04:45 Space_Librarian     http://www.librarygeekgirl.net/downloads/
04:45 wahanui             i heard that was too complicated
04:45 eythian             where is that?
04:44 Space_Librarian     should be on Ruth's blog now?
04:44 wizzyrea`           it was very good
04:44 eythian             where are they available?
04:44 Space_Librarian     which looked good - I've read the slides and notes.
04:44 wizzyrea`           "write down how you did it, and do it that way for every extract"
04:44 wizzyrea`           that was one of the tenets of Ruth's presentation
04:43 eythian             I love how every time someone sends me data, they tweak the export options to make it different in some subtle way.
04:42 joann               ok - i can only 'see' the powerpoint but if you unzip and send me the paper  i would appreciate that
04:41 wizzyrea`           :)
04:41 joann               i've looked atthe powerpoint and didn't self destruct
04:41 wizzyrea`           well it's pptx, so yea, that's not far from the truth
04:41 rangi               :)
04:41 rangi               virus
04:41 wizzyrea`           and a 3rd unidentified something or other
04:41 wizzyrea`           a video and a ppt
04:41 eythian             ah
04:41 wizzyrea`           nah, it's got 3 files
04:40 rangi               if its powerpoint its probably 83934239234 gb unzipped
04:39 eythian             wizzyrea`: why zip it at all?
04:39 wizzyrea`           cool
04:38 joann               no - i've got it open now
04:38 rangi               dont do that
04:38 rangi               remember jack from kapiti?
04:38 rangi               and set up koha to talk to the system you get
04:37 wizzyrea`           k, lmk if you have trouble, cuz I'm going ahead and unrar then zipping it
04:37 rangi               or 'that will work'
04:37 rangi               or want to support custom made rfid solution .. but we would be happy to go, 'that wont work'
04:37 joann               i'll download winrar liz - dont worry
04:37 joann               true
04:36 rangi               joann: i doubt catalyst wants to get into the hardware game
04:36 joann               i sent it to you too chris
04:36 rangi               they might force you to have it anyway tho
04:36 rangi               you wouldnt need it
04:36 wizzyrea`           gimme a min
04:36 wizzyrea`           it's a rar, you'd need winrar. let me see what I can do about that
04:36 joann               what is a .rar file?
04:35 joann               can't open it though ...
04:35 * wizzyrea`         idly wonders if you'd still need a proprietary-ish device driver
04:35 * Space_Librarian   likes this idea
04:35 rangi               :)
04:34 rangi               and you are all good
04:34 rangi               get them to sign on the dotted line saying it will work with linux, with no proprietary software needed
04:34 * Brooke            hopes it's in espanol
04:34 wizzyrea`           :D yay!
04:34 joann               its arrived !
04:34 joann               yeah - thats what i liked abouttechlogic
04:34 rangi               but the trick is like i say, you want something that can talk straight to the ils, we dont want to have to run through some middle obfustication layer
04:34 wizzyrea`           3M is ghastly expensive, imo
04:33 rangi               joann: techlogic seemed ok
04:33 wizzyrea`           sure
04:33 joann               thanks for that
04:33 joann               its not here yet - but that should get through ok
04:32 wizzyrea`           4MB ppt tho
04:32 wizzyrea`           sent
04:32 joann               they all come to gmail so any one will be fine
04:31 wizzyrea`           nm you're in my address book. Clever addressbook.
04:31 wizzyrea`           which email addy?
04:30 wizzyrea`           I have them now I think, lemme look and I'll send em to ya
04:30 rangi               then you are gravy
04:30 wizzyrea`           lol
04:30 wizzyrea`           i'm too slow!
04:30 rangi               ie a standard input device
04:30 wizzyrea`           (in truth, the reader ... dangit!)
04:30 joann               wizzyrea: you reckon you could get the ecuador paper / slides?
04:30 rangi               that acts exactly like a barcode reader
04:30 rangi               if you can get an rfid reader
04:30 joann               nods
04:29 rangi               soon as you do that, theres a big point of fail right away
04:29 rangi               or a vendor that doesnt require you to stick a windows machine anywhere in the mix
04:29 wizzyrea`           we've had very few real issues with Koha (more with not-koha)
04:29 joann               i did like techlogic better than 3M
04:28 wizzyrea`           *nod* same experience here, though the 3M software is pretty straightforward
04:28 joann               albany with 3M?
04:28 druthb              that's what I understood, yes, wizzyrea`
04:28 joann               so maybe we should not go with a vendor just do it ourselves chris
04:28 rangi               that was the problem albany high school ran into
04:28 rangi               if you can make sure you dont have that stupidity, everything is easier
04:28 wizzyrea`           they hid the security gates with lovely wood
04:28 wizzyrea`           one thing that I did like about their setup
04:28 rangi               between the rfid reader and the ils
04:28 rangi               its with some stupid proprietary software getting in the way
04:27 rangi               is nothing to do with rfid
04:27 wizzyrea`           and used ILSDI to interconnect everything... is that right?
04:27 rangi               all the problems ive seen with rfid
04:27 joann               which is very tempting.
04:27 wizzyrea`           yea, it looked to me like they set up with off the shelf RFID readers
04:27 joann               and that too, will be on chris's to do list once the new budget comes in
04:26 druthb              bit of a language barrier, but it looked to me like they had put together a pretty cool way to not spend a gazillion dollars setting things up.
04:26 rangi               thats an enhancement proposal, code doesnt exist yet
04:26 wizzyrea`           and yes, with a few very minor issues it works well with the self check and smart chute machiens
04:26 joann               bywater posted somewhere about payments and sip2 as well
04:26 rangi               and thats got nothing to do with RFID
04:26 wizzyrea`           3M
04:26 wizzyrea`           well I have a RFID library
04:26 rangi               its what the machine then does with it that matters
04:26 joann               yep - and they have got that working smoothlythen?
04:26 rangi               rfid is just reading stuff off chips
04:26 wizzyrea`           that
04:26 wizzyrea`           ^^^^^
04:26 rangi               its actually sip2
04:26 wizzyrea`           ^^
04:25 joann               coz that may well be rangi's next mission if he chooses to accept it
04:25 rangi               the thing to remember is, rfid is nothign to do with ils
04:25 wizzyrea`           oh, I think it works well -
04:25 eythian             they've all gone quiet...
04:25 rangi               anything good/useful
04:25 joann               just hoe 'good' do you think the koha 3.x - rfid is
04:25 rangi               the ecuador rfid talk
04:25 * druthb            just got back, sort of.
04:25 wizzyrea`           what was the question? I dropped out for a mo
04:24 wizzyrea`           Oh, yes
04:24 joann               wizzyrea: any thoughts on the ecuador RFID
04:24 rangi               the rest of us werent there, so have no idea
04:24 rangi               oh if druthb is still around
04:24 joann               nuff said then
04:24 rangi               i think wizzyrea` is the only one here who was the talk
04:23 * Space_Librarian   laughs
04:23 * Brooke            will say naught on the subject and goes to mutter in the corner.
04:22 joann               how 'good' is the rfid-koha?
04:22 joann               the south american RFID - Koha talk at kudos
04:22 joann               so clever people in the know:
04:21 Brooke              tell it to the judge, lady.
04:21 Brooke              mm hmm
04:21 joann               i think when my batteries get low the wireless keyboard just piks letters at random
04:20 Brooke              she's using a french keyboard ;)
04:20 joann               ewasyed = wasted :p
04:20 rangi               :)
04:20 rangi               has someone rearranged all your keys?
04:20 joann               perhaps a few rounds of russian roulette with the bot to finish off the day
04:20 joann               not an entirely ewasyed day
04:20 joann               just learnt summat!
04:20 joann               yay!
04:19 joann               :p
04:19 ibeardslee          :
04:19 joann               lol
04:19 joann               '.'p
04:19 joann               .p
04:19 joann               .P
04:19 joann               "P
04:19 joann               and look sad or happy
04:19 ibeardslee          ':' and a 'P'
04:19 joann               i can wink
04:19 joann               ;)
04:19 joann               like that
04:18 ibeardslee          :P
04:18 joann               i meant with keystrokes
04:18 rangi               tewhatewha if you want to poke things
04:18 joann               have to disconnect again i think
04:17 Brooke              use a taiaha
04:17 joann               (how do i poke a tongue out?)
04:17 Brooke              I use colloquy but with identify it isn't happy
04:17 rangi               i think oleonard uses chatzilla and likes it
04:17 Brooke              love em and leave em
04:16 joann               it does seem to drop us off a lot
04:16 rangi               they used to use xchat back in the day
04:16 rangi               anything other than mibbit :)
04:15 eythian             irssi?
04:15 rangi               we need to get jo using a real irc client again
04:08 joann               :)
04:08 joann               Liz
04:08 Space_Librarian     wizzyrea`: I know this one. :)
04:08 wizzyrea`           hi joann :)
04:08 Brooke              0/
04:07 wizzyrea`           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siIDzHLEwfg
04:07 ibeardslee          some songs play from there
04:04 wizzyrea`           works from here those jerks.
04:03 ibeardslee          yeap
04:03 wizzyrea`           oh that's just annoying
04:02 wizzyrea`           hrmph.
04:02 ibeardslee          Ahh 404 Error by Page not found
04:02 wizzyrea`           seriously!
04:02 rangi               404 error
04:01 wizzyrea`           http://grooveshark.com/s/Breathe/2xgh4F?src=5
04:01 wizzyrea`           un mo
04:01 ibeardslee          doesn't even saying what it was, so that we could search for an alternate version
04:00 wizzyrea`           ibeardslee: that's true, but I'm not sure my humming is up to scratch for that
04:00 ibeardslee          mutter
03:58 wizzyrea`           lol
03:58 wizzyrea`           oh bother.
03:58 rangi               thats alright, cos i hate them
03:58 rangi               emi hate nz
03:57 wizzyrea`           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdUpxch4F8M
03:56 Space_Librarian     yes it is...
03:56 wizzyrea`           this isn't it but it's a good one
03:55 ibeardslee          there are a bunch if android and iphone apps that can have a good go at working out what the song is
03:55 rangi               im pretty sure thats it
03:55 rangi               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjrUOlK2714
03:55 ibeardslee          hmm it
03:54 Space_Librarian     d'oh
03:54 wizzyrea`           that's just it, I can only think of the music!
03:53 wizzyrea`           not the song, but the fact that I can't remember who or what it is
03:53 Space_Librarian     google a line from the song.
03:53 wizzyrea`           there's another song I'm looking for, but I can't remember either the name or the artist, but I can hear it in my head it's SO ANNOYING
03:53 wizzyrea`           ^.^
03:52 Space_Librarian     wizzyrea ++ for awesome musical taste
03:22 Brooke              pffft., cloth
03:13 Brooke              I don't know if that's worse than vent that's going to make me wake up the neighbours with raucous belly laughter, though.
03:13 wizzyrea`           uh oh
03:12 Brooke              ugh here come da puggers.
03:04 Brooke              right meant to be healing
03:03 Brooke              I think it's illegal to boat and not be good looking.
03:03 wizzyrea`           ginger + curly
03:02 wizzyrea`           *nod*
03:02 Brooke              doesn't she make you want to be ginger.
03:02 * wizzyrea`         gets petty for a moment
03:02 Brooke              I know
03:02 wizzyrea`           she has wicked cool hair. srsly.
03:02 Brooke              nora++
03:02 wizzyrea`           it's gotta be the hair
03:02 wizzyrea`           :)
03:02 Brooke              you have no idea of the extent of her magical powah
03:01 wizzyrea`           nora is great, met her for the first time (in person) monday
03:01 Brooke              make Nora post some. >:)
03:00 wizzyrea`           now I want cranberries.
02:59 * Brooke            spins the wheel to see if this aussie tank will dc every other second *again*.
02:57 * Brooke            was quite probably brainwashed in Massachusetts.
02:57 wizzyrea`           oo
02:57 Brooke              cranberry ftw
02:56 Brooke              :)
02:56 wizzyrea`           mmmmmmm
02:51 Brooke              Kombucha is the nectar of the gods.
02:46 Brooke              kia ora!
02:38 eythian             http://www.ted.com/talks/yochai_benkler_on_the_new_open_source_economics.html <-- "Yochai Benkler on the new open-source economics"
02:20 Space_Librarian     Hey Jo. :)
02:18 jransom             hey Shelley :)
02:16 Space_Librarian     hey jransom
02:10 druthb              hi, jransom!
02:10 jransom             hiya all
02:09 wahanui             somebody said jransom was so pleased!
02:09 rangi               hey jransom
02:06 rangi               hey druthb
02:06 * druthb            waves to rangi
02:04 huginn              druthb: Brooke was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 58 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: * Brooke is guessing shorter.
02:04 druthb              @seen Brooke
01:58 wizzyrea`           thanx :)
01:57 jcamins_away        wizzyrea`: congratulations!
01:48 Space_Librarian     Oooh. The aliaPD lists now got a KohaCon ping. Irma++ for a scholarship to attend. :)
01:40 rangi               back
01:37 druthb              that's a cute pic you sent.
01:37 druthb              heh.
01:37 jcamins_away        druthb++ # for making Myshkin famous!
01:28 jcamins_away        [off] I imagined that the school was run by cockroaches. It helped me feel better _and_ guaranteed more honest answers.
01:27 * jcamins_away      fills out the evaluation questionaire for his library school.
01:25 jcamins_away        But New York in general.
01:25 jcamins_away        Well, not Queens.
01:25 jcamins_away        Yep.
01:24 wizzyrea`           is it known for it's cockroaches?
01:24 jcamins_away        Queens.
01:24 jcamins_away        Yep.
01:24 wizzyrea`           are you still in new york proper?
01:20 jcamins_away        I'll say.
01:19 wizzyrea`           ew
01:17 jcamins_away        But, bad.
01:17 jcamins_away        Well, maybe not worse.
01:17 jcamins_away        You laugh, but they're worse than when we moved in.
01:16 wizzyrea`           lol
01:15 jcamins_away        This way I'll fit in.
01:15 jcamins_away        Better... Judeo-Tajik curses.
01:13 * jcamins_away      learns outrageously offensive Russian obscenities so he can scream them at the cockroaches.
01:12 wizzyrea`           fabulous
01:12 druthb              yep.
01:11 wizzyrea`           thanx :D are you home?
01:11 wizzyrea`           :D
01:11 * druthb            hugs wizzyrea`.
01:10 druthb              wizzyrea`!  Woot!
01:08 coryj               jcamins_away: Think of something good for dinner tomorrow too.  Just make sure it is something I'll have the ingredients for on hand. ;)
01:07 coryj               g'nite #koha.  Time for bed
01:07 wizzyrea`           love it when it works out like that
01:07 jcamins_away        :D
01:07 jcamins_away        Yes!
01:06 wizzyrea`           as magical as you'd hoped?
01:06 wizzyrea`           so the toast was alright, eh?
01:02 jcamins_away        Though less likely to melt into nothingness now that he's eaten something.
01:02 * jcamins_away      is defiantly ghost-like.
00:59 wizzyrea`           hehe
00:59 coryj               everybody talking is away.  kinda like ghosts
00:59 jcamins_away        Did you *really* think I was going to talk about anything else today?
00:59 wizzyrea_away       lol
00:58 jcamins_away        The French toast.
00:58 wizzyrea_away       ?
00:58 jcamins_away        Wow.
00:42 coryj               l8er jcamins_away
00:41 jcamins_away        tcohen: ooh, gnocchi's pretty tasty too. Maybe Friday.
00:41 tcohen              bye and thanks for your time!
00:41 tcohen              jcamins_away: gnochi here
00:41 jcamins_away        :D
00:41 jcamins_away        French toast time!
00:41 coryj               french toast?
00:41 jcamins_away        Okay, my wife isn't going to be home for a while, I'm just having dinner now.
00:41 coryj               In our case the staff interface is mostly used by people who can work in multiple branches.
00:40 jcamins_away        coryj: right. It won't work for anyone else, and they'll tell you it's broken. :\
00:39 coryj               jcamins_away: I don't see why not.  I can remove the bounding IF right now and it works.... only useful for superlibrarians tho.
00:39 tcohen              i think i'll send a big patch
00:39 tcohen              we don't manage to know the workflow for that
00:39 tcohen              as for the trnaslation, i'll talk to bernardo so we can commit that translated stuff
00:38 tcohen              for the xslt, exactly, that's what i was looking to solve
00:38 jcamins_away        tcohen: I don't know, actually.
00:37 jcamins_away        So the XSLT could have something like: <xsl:if test="marc:subfield[@code='a'] eq 'editor'>Editor:</xsl:if>
00:37 tcohen              one question: how do I start a es-ES data/mysql dir?
00:37 tcohen              i'll post a proposed sql file for 'en'
00:36 tcohen              alright
00:36 jcamins_away        Right.
00:36 jcamins_away        For the cataloger.
00:36 tcohen              and adjust xslt's so everything is shown properly
00:36 jcamins_away        Yes.
00:35 tcohen              i think you mean we can just provide translated authorized values for each language
00:35 jcamins_away        tcohen: I think I'm probably just confusing you. I'll try to explain what I was trying to say earlier.
00:34 tcohen              jcamins_away: you mean it is not worth it?
00:33 jcamins_away        coryj: I don't think that's possible.
00:33 coryj               Should that pref go under Admin/Login Options or "Local Use" ?
00:33 jcamins_away        The SQL files are translated.
00:33 jcamins_away        tcohen: I'm not sure you need to provide a translated description.
00:33 tcohen              in the cataloguing interface
00:32 tcohen              i thought the same, as long as we provide a translated description
00:32 coryj               I want to add an option to display a branch selector during staff client login.. even when IndependantBranches is enabled.
00:32 jcamins_away        I think you can safely require all catalogers at a given institution to use the same language for relator terms.
00:31 tcohen              yeap, I saw those
00:31 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5701 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Distinction between authors/additional authors in staff normal view (MARC21/XSLT)
00:31 jcamins_away        And bug 5701.
00:31 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5711 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Distinction between authors/additional authors in opac normal view (MARC21/XSLT)
00:31 jcamins_away        Bug 5711.
00:30 jcamins_away        Right.
00:30 tcohen              catalogue display of relator terms?
00:30 jcamins_away        The problem as I see it is catalogue display, not cataloging.
00:29 jcamins_away        tcohen: I'm not sure that's necessary.
00:26 tcohen              maybe we could translate complete frameworks on the fly
00:26 tcohen              on-the-fly translation for frameworks+memcached ?
00:21 coryj               What's the status of ldap authentication these days?  I haven't looked at it for a couple years.
00:14 rangi               but now i have meetings
00:14 rangi               we have resisted any on the fly because its slow
00:14 rangi               no
00:09 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6299 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Provide a list of authorized values for relator terms
00:09 tcohen              i'm thinking on something like that for bug 6299
00:06 tcohen              is there a way to translate "on-the-fly" strings that come from database?
00:06 tcohen              hi rangi
00:00 jcamins_away        Good!
00:00 coryj               rebuild_zebra.pl
00:00 coryj               arg... bad copy/paste
00:00 jcamins_away        It will make you tear your hair out.
00:00 jcamins_away        Really.
00:00 jcamins_away        coryj: don't use nozebra.